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North Star Fund is a social justice fund that supports grassroots organizing led by communities of color building power in New York City and the Hudson Valley. We organize people across race and class to give, in support of these movements.

Kofo Anifalaje joined North Star Fund as a development assistant in 2011 and over the years earned and learned her way to development director. Kofo studied political science and African American studies at Wesleyan University. She completed her graduate degree at Carnegie Mellon University in public policy and management. While in grad school, Kofo was the policy director at New Voices Pittsburgh—a reproductive justice organization led by women of color. There she learned how all questions of public policy impact women in very specific ways.Upon achieving her master’s degree, Kofo returned to Brooklyn where she was born and raised, heeding her mother’s words to “be useful, be of service, and make the world a better place.” North Star Fund was the place for her to do just that—an organization where everyone understands the interconnectedness of the issues.





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00:00:29.740 --> 00:00:31.029 Tommy D: Hello, everybody,

00:00:31.460 --> 00:00:32.490 Tommy D: your boy

00:00:32.500 --> 00:00:35.810 Tommy D: coming at you from the top of my house, two flights off from the kitchen

00:00:36.030 --> 00:00:41.769 Tommy D: just below the roof. That's right, or else in my attic. It's your boy, the nonprofit sector

00:00:41.780 --> 00:00:50.029 Tommy D: actor, Tommy d a little bit of a gravely voice, a little bit of a late night last night but an old friend of mine. I was just telling my friend Kolfo,

00:00:50.210 --> 00:00:55.490 Tommy D: an old friend of mine told me, Tommy D. Listen. You want to go out with the night owls.

00:00:55.500 --> 00:01:12.559 Tommy D: You gotta wake up and store it to eagles, which is exactly what I tell my kids, especially when they're like. Hey, man, there's a mets game on. Can we watch the men's game? And I said, you don't wake up like you're supposed to in the morning. If you do that if you figure out how to wake up and do the things that you're supposed to do in the morning. Well, then, you can do the things that you want to do,

00:01:12.570 --> 00:01:21.359 Tommy D: but again everything in moderation. But I will tell you, why. Am I a little gravely? Why am I a little tired. I'm going to share something with you. I'll show you this in this, just to tell you this is not about

00:01:21.370 --> 00:01:46.809 Tommy D: that was given to me. It's about the great organization. So it says, Tommy, to be it for your selfless dedication and commitment to nonprofit organizations, and particularly post toward processing. So last night my friend Robin can't rianto a post or processing, by the way, show It's called philanthropy focus. If I haven't said that yet. Uh, Robin,

00:01:46.970 --> 00:01:48.810 you know where i'm talking about.

00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:59.970 Tommy D: And this is an organization that provides mental health services and counseling services to mainly police officers and first responders.

00:02:00.600 --> 00:02:13.730 Tommy D: Look, there's a lot of veterans in the room. I brought a bunch of my friends there who are lead non-profit organizations, because I thought there would be good synergies, you know. I see an opportunity like an evening like last night, and I said,

00:02:14.200 --> 00:02:19.039 Tommy D: like, feel a stable, my parents and my siblings, and my children, my wife, or

00:02:19.050 --> 00:02:47.959 Kofo Anifalaje: Ah, and you go around telling me what we're gonna, and we go around telling the world we're gonna. So you actually better go to the thing you're saying. You said, You know one of those brands co-fou. It's like right in the name, and it's like you know it's like you say here it is. It's people can't go like. What exactly does he do? Well, that's what I think right like. That is the thing like that's what I do. I connect our promise. So that is my friend Kolfo Ani phologic.

00:02:47.970 --> 00:02:49.990 Kofo Anifalaje: Yeah, you got it. How are you?

00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.070 Kofo Anifalaje: Yes, I I just I got it.

00:02:52.080 --> 00:03:20.410 Tommy D: That is my friend Cole for chocolate in the background. Who's here with me? If you're just listening and you're gonna hear our voices. Who are watching? You're gonna see us, too? Um! And we're gonna get into all that. But I just want to say, you know I story. I wrote some notes. So last night I wanted to say last night leads into social count. Right! I I joke about it. This is not self-deprecating, but i'm only as good as the people i'm surrounded. But i'm only as good as the people I've connected to. I had a great opportunity earlier this week to go out to a little more out for

00:03:20.420 --> 00:03:38.800 Tommy D: Long Island businesses. News rolling out of business news is corporate citizenship event. See a bunch of folks that I hadn't seen in a while we can act and make some new connections with a lot of Long Island folks, but it's all about the people we know. It's all about the social capital, and that leads us to how we get to this conversation today, because

00:03:39.180 --> 00:03:44.939 Tommy D: last summer I was looking for some course work to do. I was looking for something to get involved with. I said, You know what

00:03:44.950 --> 00:04:06.099 Tommy D: I I love this nonprofit stuff. It's not proper to work the sector the whole thing, and I want to learn more. I want to be more of an asset. I want to be more knowledgeable, and ever the student. I want to learn how to be effective and to be an asset. So I I look around, and I find this organization called the Institute for non-profit Practice which You've probably referenced several times here on the program, and

00:04:06.110 --> 00:04:21.700 Tommy D: had this fortunate opportunity to connect with certainly a large group. And then we had our smaller cohort that we met on Thursday nights a man dialogue that I'm meeting, and you know you've You've met my friend Michael Partis here on the show you met Tammy Ellen from Ah,

00:04:21.769 --> 00:04:33.010 Tommy D: Ah, from sober's. Name Patrick's Day we met my friend Mehen Kleim, everybody on the show just a couple of weeks ago, and today my friend Colour is here from the North Star Fund, and I will say, you know

00:04:33.020 --> 00:04:52.460 Tommy D: it's always one of those sad things when something ends and sort of culminates, because, you know, when we're forced to get together, and I don't mean fourth in that way. But when there's a you know, there are already a meeting on our calendar, and we know we're gonna see each other, and then things happen when something ends when the course work ends, when the project ends, when the the job ends, whatever it might be.

00:04:52.470 --> 00:05:08.689 Kofo Anifalaje: You know it's more difficult to keep in touch, because it's not scheduled, so I will say this go, for i'm glad you're here with me. I I missed Thursday evenings where we were all together, and I think actually, to be honest, I think that was my responsibility was to keep everybody.

00:05:08.700 --> 00:05:28.559 Tommy D: I will own that right in your world, for all of you are listening. And now this is forever an attorney. I have to fix that particular situation, but I was, you know, a texting everybody, Michael, and you know cash Alexander was on show cash wasn't in our little Thursday evening click, but he became a buddy of mine, too. So it's just like how this this networking thing going so

00:05:28.570 --> 00:05:34.189 Kofo Anifalaje: cool. First of all, before I read some of your background in bio, I just want to say, hello. Good morning.

00:05:34.200 --> 00:05:37.960 Tommy D: Good morning.

00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:57.769 Kofo Anifalaje: I'm amazing. And I'm Really, i'm so excited for uh being here, i'm really thankful for you and my team here, you know. Uh, amazing, you know, Foxton, or

00:05:57.780 --> 00:06:01.289 Kofo Anifalaje: among the number that you've invited here. So

00:06:01.300 --> 00:06:03.290 yeah, exactly,

00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:18.369 Tommy D: I appreciate. Well, I will say, listen. You know um from afar I was. I was sort of like trying to learn as much as I could from you, and if it's cool, if you, i'd like to continue to do that forever. Only for the next fifty years. I'm around because I know. I know that

00:06:18.380 --> 00:06:29.229 Tommy D: I know that I I know what I know is very little, and and that's again not to beat me up. It's just There's so much we can know about life and and relationships, But certainly what we can know about

00:06:29.930 --> 00:06:49.759 Tommy D: non-profit. But what we can know about philanthropy What we can you know some of what we're going to talk about today will be trust-based philanthropy which Coke was really going to give us. That takes us to school a little bit, on that because I think we we all need to learn that. But before we do that, so Kofo studied political science and African American studies at Wesleyan University,

00:06:49.770 --> 00:06:59.950 Tommy D: completed her graduate degree at Carnegie Mellon in public policy and management, and during her graduate school time she was the policy director at an organization called New Voices, Pittsburgh.

00:07:00.100 --> 00:07:04.390 Tommy D: She gets her masters. She goes back to Brooklyn right

00:07:04.400 --> 00:07:15.289 Tommy D: where your roots are right, and I want to read this quote from from your mom, and your mom had said to you be useful, be of service, and make the world a better place.

00:07:15.300 --> 00:07:30.880 Kofo Anifalaje: Be useful, be of service, and make the world a better place. Man, if those are not words to live by for each and every one of us. What a different world it would be if everybody started their day like that. Right? I mean, what can we can without

00:07:30.890 --> 00:07:35.630 Tommy D: getting mushy and emotional? Can you tell me about that? That quote and what that really means to you?

00:07:35.780 --> 00:08:04.579 Kofo Anifalaje: Sure, Um, you know. I think it's funny. Um, it's definitely a um helpful quote, you know. Now, as I've an adult, and I think as I've grown older, I've definitely taken it, and maybe romanticize it a little bit. But I think you know as I was younger, though I at least I heard it. I took it in, you know. A little bit more a startup, and aggressively it felt a little bit more like Don't. Just stand there and be useful, you know,

00:08:04.590 --> 00:08:07.749 Kofo Anifalaje: doing, you know, if you make yourself useful, what do you?

00:08:08.230 --> 00:08:09.260 You don't?

00:08:09.290 --> 00:08:15.690 Kofo Anifalaje: Oh, do you know when this world doesn't need another useless person, you know.

00:08:15.700 --> 00:08:20.309 Kofo Anifalaje: So Maybe, we said, it may be said a little differently than how you want to,

00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:23.690 Kofo Anifalaje: but you know that's what That's what age, and you know

00:08:23.700 --> 00:08:36.959 Kofo Anifalaje: you know we take our understanding. Our understand things, you know, manifest in different ways. But I think that's what That's why it is. And so for me, I think, as you know,

00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:41.200 Kofo Anifalaje: as life happens, and I think you know, Tommy, you

00:08:41.330 --> 00:09:11.199 Kofo Anifalaje: and you had a um opportunity for um to hear sort of the trajectory of my career as part of, as you know, one of the one of the presentations in our um group Study um. But you know, just as anyone you know I had to go through the process of figuring out what was my path. What's my that, you know? Do I choose? You know a more unfulfilling path you know, in search of in the goal of just like making money, or,

00:09:11.210 --> 00:09:33.179 Kofo Anifalaje: you know, just comfort a life of stability, Or do I choose something that's more fulfilling to me. That's more a path that's more interesting. That's more just like, you know, connected to heart for me, or even though it may not be what or just.

00:09:33.190 --> 00:09:46.060 Kofo Anifalaje: Ah, what may make more money, or maybe bring in more resources for me individually, and, as I, you know, was going through that process, you know, just in my earlier years

00:09:46.200 --> 00:10:15.910 Kofo Anifalaje: that my mother, just in my head, just always came back to me, you know, and it was just always my grounding like. How can I get useful? What is? What is the service that I want to, you know? Offer, you know. And so um! That's what you know that just that's what helped me. It helped guide me to, you know, ultimately to North Star Fund, as I was, you know, searching for a place to a home, you know. Um organizations.

00:10:16.430 --> 00:10:25.590 Tommy D: It's it's incredible. And and you know. Look I, my intention is to stick around for fifty years and forty, four. I think that's a pretty number. I feel like I've worked out and deal with the universe work

00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:39.820 Kofo Anifalaje: because I figured if I say it, I don't know if it's going to happen right. So so. But let's just say that didn't happen for some reason I wasn't here, but I have. So I have four kids, as you know, call for, and certainly some of the folks who most of this show know that. And

00:10:39.830 --> 00:10:57.240 Tommy D: my youngest guy, he's seven, is going to be eight soon, and you know when he says to me, Hey, dad, when do we? Um, I want to do a day service. When are we going to do another day of service like that to me? Is it man like? And that's you know, and I always try to be careful, because I always feel like i'm pushing the evil thing, but

00:10:57.250 --> 00:11:15.600 Tommy D: because it ain't about like that. I'm out there doing service. It's. I do it because I love it, but I do, because I think it inspires other people. Now, if I inspire, certainly the five people that live in my house aside for me to go out and do service. You know my wife and I worked at um at a pantry, you know, a number of months ago, right back by my in my neighborhood here,

00:11:15.610 --> 00:11:34.680 Tommy D: and and then four kids certainly roll it out doing different things. And that's it. That's the inspiration. That's what we're supposed to be doing? How are you going to be useful? How are you going to be of service? How are you going to make the world a better place? Shout out to our friend Michael. Part is because I remember you know Michael Sher his story, and I said this to him when he was on the show here I was like,

00:11:34.690 --> 00:11:42.939 Tommy D: What are you going to do, Michael Partis, because somebody challenged him when he was younger in his college years. What are you going to do like, How are you going to make the difference? And I think like

00:11:42.950 --> 00:12:00.510 Tommy D: that's you gotta push each other. We can get it. Let's do it like It's great, You Everybody has a lot of cool things to say. What about? So what are you gonna do? And I saw I felt that a lot last night, especially in a room full of ah first responders and and veterans for sure. I want to talk about, You know,

00:12:01.180 --> 00:12:06.860 Tommy D: when you were growing up It was there a certain point, you know, in addition to what your mom had said,

00:12:06.870 --> 00:12:21.629 Tommy D: were you involved in non-profit Was there? You know I? If i'm not mistaken. I remember stuff about the church, right. The church was was always important to you, so you know, maybe we could speak a little bit about that, and and just kind of where it as a as a younger person.

00:12:21.810 --> 00:12:32.590 Kofo Anifalaje: Sure. Yeah. Ah, for me, I definitely grew up in a church. So, as you mentioned, I was born and raised in Brooklyn and bedside Brooklyn, and

00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:40.550 Kofo Anifalaje: you were dying, do, and died, Joe Turner from a tornado. We would set it in a break, and before we saw it do or die against that,

00:12:40.560 --> 00:13:02.180 Kofo Anifalaje: and we were heavily involved in the church, and I grew up in at Bristol Ai Church, and my mother just had us involved in church activities, and you know the Amy church is just like a little. It's its own little um nation,

00:13:02.190 --> 00:13:31.219 Kofo Anifalaje: it's got its own politics. It's got its own, you know everything. And so, you know, I was involved in church organizations. The Church did its own community work. You know it had its own leadership systems and things like that. And you know that was my world. That was my just like little world. And so that's how I learned to. You know that was my community service. You know I was in, you know.

00:13:31.230 --> 00:13:36.189 Kofo Anifalaje: Things like you know, grow scouts from the snow, from Brownie or from daisies. You know,

00:13:36.200 --> 00:14:01.159 Kofo Anifalaje: seniors, you know whatever else I could. Do. You know the church dance for the church? You know the ministry of When I just finished the I was in the the youth um supporting ah programming. And so you know, I was a a a youth Sunday school teacher. You know all of these things, you know. You don't know when you're doing it. But

00:14:01.170 --> 00:14:16.390 Kofo Anifalaje: when you look at they're all teaching you all these small elements about, you know. Here's how you be a leader. Here's different ways to be to leave Here's different ways to approach communicating to people. Here's different ways to engage

00:14:16.400 --> 00:14:40.669 Kofo Anifalaje: different types of people you know, who have different needs. You know, who have different, you know communication and engagement, you know, styles and needs, and you know I didn't know it until you know. I eventually left that community, you know, went away to school and went away to travel, and things like that. How helpful it would be to apply those things!

00:14:40.680 --> 00:14:47.790 Tommy D: It's so interesting because nobody says to us when we're younger like, Hey, this is going to teach you leadership. Shift skills right.

00:14:47.800 --> 00:15:06.589 Kofo Anifalaje: You do the thing, and then retrospectively, we can look back it's. I did not know that we shared that in common. When I was in high school I went to Catholic High School out here in Long Island, Shaman and ah, I taught Ah Ccd after for the public school kids like I actually was a I was a public school kid. So growing up um before I went to,

00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:25.219 Tommy D: so i'm not. I used to go to Ccd. After school after full day. We go to religious class, you know, like on a Wednesday afternoon. Then all these years later, I was teaching those classes so far I did not know we had that in. Come. Um! So that that's that's pretty funny. Um, I We are going to take a break in a second. But you know for me it's.

00:15:25.230 --> 00:15:27.100 Tommy D: I learned that that,

00:15:27.110 --> 00:15:50.290 Tommy D: you know, and and yes, of course the faith is involved. But it was. It was community that I was hearing more so than anything out of that. You know where I want to just make another quick thing uh my friend Tammy Severino will be on the show next week. She's the Ceo of Girl Scouts of Suffolk County. So funny that you're running up this gas both, uh and my younger daughter still in this county and whatnot um. In fact, I think my son, my wife told me.

00:15:50.300 --> 00:15:57.089 Tommy D: Yeah, I think it's just, you know. Join Cup scouts, so that's like a whole other thing. So so look there's There's so much to get involved with

00:15:57.460 --> 00:16:11.940 Tommy D: when we come back I want to talk to you to the point of um, you know. Maybe if you want to talk a little bit about the college years stuff, you'll learn. And then, when we came back and want you to come back to Brooklyn and you find North Star and let's get into that one. Come back. How's that sound?

00:16:11.950 --> 00:16:15.850 Tommy D: Amazing awesome. All right, Let's do it. We want to break. We'll be right back.

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00:18:43.280 --> 00:19:05.559 Tommy D: So all right. So let's talk. Let's get into this now. So you know you had. Can we talk a little bit about the kind of the college years, because I again as much as little as you you want to get into, because I I think certainly from going through our leadership journeys that we did, and the work we did together. Um, I learned so much. So can you share a little bit about that? Because I think that is, those things define us as to what we become as adults and leaders.

00:19:05.570 --> 00:19:22.760 Kofo Anifalaje: Yeah, sure. So I went to. I was in public school for the majority of my life in Brooklyn, through Middle School and High School and for

00:19:22.770 --> 00:19:47.890 Kofo Anifalaje: undergrad I went to Wesleyan and connected um. I actually took a get a gap year between um high school and going to undergrad, and for that year I did. I just did some traveling. I did volunteer work, you know, and um that felt really nice Even I went to Connecticut. It was a um a I was in Brooklyn right? Very similar. That's fine,

00:19:47.900 --> 00:20:16.999 Kofo Anifalaje: you know it was a really small um of our school in the town Connecticut. And um it was, though it's very close, you know. Maybe like I think It's like an hour and a half way from You know the city, you know. It was definitely a culture shop for me, you know, and this is me, you know, Born and raised in Brooklyn. You know It's center in in New York City, the center of well, you know

00:20:17.010 --> 00:20:46.969 Kofo Anifalaje: everything. But it was definitely a cultural shock for me, being surrounded by just honestly just so many white people with so much money. It was just so. It was really just a shock, and I think the shock for me was, you know, living in bedside. You know I was surrounded by my community of you know people who looked like me, you know, like I said, my life at the time was, you know,

00:20:47.300 --> 00:21:16.330 Kofo Anifalaje: you know, my church, which was full of very, you know, pretty successful, you know black people, you know. People in my church were, you know, local Congress people, you know, local politicians, the successful business people, you know they were. You know they were a sorority fraternity, you know, representatives, and so they were successful people. So I wasn't. You know

00:21:16.340 --> 00:21:44.709 Kofo Anifalaje: I was. I was used to seeing success. But if this there was just a different type of exposure that I didn't have up until I just like left um left fully um that that world. And so it was just being there that first I would say, like three months or so. It was just like, Wow! Like this is really like people really like this is a different life.

00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:57.380 Kofo Anifalaje: So people lived completely different than me, but it was still great. I learned a whole lot at Leslie, and it was both just

00:21:57.390 --> 00:22:26.789 Kofo Anifalaje: the you know, different exposure that I had, but also you know It's a top notch education. Obviously I. You know my core of friends to this day, you know, are still my You know my people that I i'm connected with at Wesleyan, you know right now, you know I just. We just have a zoom meeting last night. We still we still talk regularly. And so yeah, um, Wesleyan, you know, was a trick,

00:22:26.800 --> 00:22:39.819 Kofo Anifalaje: but it's a great place. It's a great place, and to credit the school at least at the time. Obviously, it's been a minute since I was in grad school. I mean undergrad, but to credit their school they did at this time really try to support

00:22:39.830 --> 00:22:56.360 Kofo Anifalaje: especially, you know, Poc. Um students. They were very aware that poc students were kind of in the minority there, and so they did try to do a lot to offer support to the the community,

00:22:56.370 --> 00:23:00.190 Kofo Anifalaje: you know, around just being in the in the spaces.

00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:06.410 Tommy D: Yeah, Now you also did some um studied abroad. Was that in grad school, or is that in undergrad as well?

00:23:06.420 --> 00:23:31.839 Kofo Anifalaje: Oh, I spent. It brought both places at both. Um! Ah, time So for undergrad I studied abroad at um in South Africa and Cape Town, which is awesome. I love it. Ah, Cape Town is Ah is one of my favorite places that I ever travel. Ah, the Uc. Team is a top notch university, highly highly recommend. If you are children, encourage children to

00:23:31.850 --> 00:23:40.910 Kofo Anifalaje: do a semester or year, or something at Uct. It's a rigorous, you know, academic institution, but it

00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:59.729 Kofo Anifalaje: um, you know I I still to this day have saved. You know some of my papers that I wrote there some of the readings that I you know received from there. It was awesome, so excellent, you know, education, that I got there

00:23:59.740 --> 00:24:12.390 Kofo Anifalaje: some of the people that I met there. I still am in touch with till today, and also just Cape Town is beautiful. The food is amazing. It was just a awesome time

00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:13.590 Kofo Anifalaje: You get to go back.

00:24:13.600 --> 00:24:18.089 Tommy D: Are you able to? You know pandemic aside like in years. Prior, you get to travel back that way.

00:24:18.100 --> 00:24:24.590 Kofo Anifalaje: I actually have. I don't think I've been back to Cape Town since then, but I would go any. I would go at the top of the head.

00:24:24.600 --> 00:24:25.360 Kofo Anifalaje: Okay,

00:24:25.580 --> 00:24:50.520 Kofo Anifalaje: you know, and it's such a big world out there that we don't see I mean I I You know I've long been here forever, and it's so much Long Island that we don't see so much from your state that we don't see it in this whole planet that you don't see it in this whole planet that you don't see manage So it's so much out There, That's my train right if you can hear it. I probably believe

00:24:51.120 --> 00:25:03.939 Tommy D: I mean It's been a few days since I've had a call out the railroad on the show, so that that's good. Um! Take us to take us a car to you, melon, and then and then really um, you know where you started to do some work with with new voices as well.

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:29.020 Kofo Anifalaje: I'm sure um. So. Ah! After I graduated Wesleyan, you know I actually um came back to Brooklyn, and I was recruited to work for um. I was actually recruited to work for a mortgage company, and I graduated Westland in five, and I don't know if the folks remember. But that was sort of at the

00:25:29.030 --> 00:25:47.089 Kofo Anifalaje: me, you know mortgages for me, you know, and I was recruited um to work for countrywide, which you know those who know I had. I had this disconnection. I didn't. I didn't realize until you started talking about this part of it. Yeah,

00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:52.490 Kofo Anifalaje: Yeah, yeah, could you? I was one of you know that sort of

00:25:52.500 --> 00:26:00.270 Kofo Anifalaje: It's not number one Number two, as one of the leaders leading the country down the drain

00:26:00.280 --> 00:26:30.069 Kofo Anifalaje: everything takes uh. But anyway, I was recruited, as you know, a sub prime of my phone uh uh processor uh at the time, because they just needed so many people, and I I worked there for some time until uh I did it, and then I transitioned into another area. Um! I transitioned to work um into another um space where I was like. Oh, maybe this is a little better for me. It's not.

00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:38.790 Kofo Anifalaje: It's. I worked in marketing and sales. But it was for like an energy management company that was a little bit more

00:26:38.800 --> 00:26:59.889 Kofo Anifalaje: towards sustainability, I would say, and I was like, okay. Maybe this is more, you know my buy, but it wasn't, really. And so I started to just feel like I needed to just completely. I I needed a reset, and that's what people decided to go back to grad school. And so that

00:26:59.900 --> 00:27:05.020 Kofo Anifalaje: was maybe another. Four or five years after I had graduated from West,

00:27:05.030 --> 00:27:34.820 Kofo Anifalaje: there was some time Yeah, um, And and I had chosen and decided to go to um. Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh, and I had known I was always deciding. You know. Do I want to do a master of public policy or a master of public administration? And you know, at first I was just always leaning to a public administration because I was like Well, masters of public policies are math. It's pawns heavy, and I have not taken a math class like Wesley was a super liberal artist

00:27:34.830 --> 00:27:42.690 Kofo Anifalaje: college, and they they were like what you don't have to do anything you don't want to do, and so, if you don't want to take that classes you,

00:27:42.700 --> 00:27:47.770 Kofo Anifalaje: but and so, therefore, when I was looking for a master's degree, I was like, I don't want to.

00:27:47.780 --> 00:28:16.970 Kofo Anifalaje: I need to do a whole bunch of statistics, you know um things. And so. But as it turns out, I actually, when you know I challenged myself, and what the harder. What I felt was the harder I had, and so I decided on the um masters of public policy um path. That was cardi-melon, which I think was definitely great. It was rigorous, you know. I feel the best person, you know for it. It was a really, you know. I think it was a really thorough

00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:32.380 Kofo Anifalaje: program, and you know, super excited about it. And while I was in Pittsburgh I was able to connect with an organization that whose work is all about rib it up to justice,

00:28:32.390 --> 00:28:49.090 Kofo Anifalaje: and I was. I joined them, and eventually I started working with them as their uh. I think it was the program director or some sort of work. This is, Yeah, this is gotta be what? Twelve more than twelve years ago, or something like that.

00:28:49.100 --> 00:29:08.250 Tommy D: Yeah, not to not to do math on everybody, but just to, but just from a fact of, you know, from a reproductive situation. You know where we are. As we sit here in two thousand and twenty-two, you know. Different, certainly a different world than these conversations that are going on right. Now. And I don't know that we're going to go into that conversation today because we have a lot to cover on

00:29:08.260 --> 00:29:21.569 Tommy D: on um on trust-based philanthropy and certainly on the North Start Fund. So let's talk about that. When we come back where I take a quick break. What I want to know is you're You're back in Brooklyn. You get this role, as

00:29:21.950 --> 00:29:35.179 Tommy D: you know, in in development. That's really, I guess, as a development assistant. Initially, right. So So we're going to tease everybody, because that's what we're going to talk about. When we come back with Cofo. You get that role in North Star, and then we're going to go through

00:29:35.320 --> 00:29:44.579 Tommy D: the What North store. Does that that grantees a little bit into what what trust-based philanthropy is? How we need to

00:29:44.670 --> 00:29:52.140 Tommy D: educate people on how to do this type of work? And and we'll just have more with Kfal and Tommy. We'll be right back. Being focused.

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00:31:45.170 --> 00:31:46.280 Tommy,

00:31:48.940 --> 00:31:56.819 Tommy D: Every week on a Friday morning I do a couple of things. I do a lot of things on Friday morning, but specific to this show. I do a couple things I

00:31:56.830 --> 00:32:17.130 Tommy D: I mean with a friend. Maybe it's an existing friend. Maybe it's a new friend who runs a nonprofit organization who needs a nonprofit organization, and I help them tell their story, and I help them. I think i'm i'm. I'm. I'm like an amplifier man. I help them amplify the message. I help get the word out. I know some people. I'm a little bit connected. I have.

00:32:17.140 --> 00:32:19.590 Tommy D: You know I have some friends. I know people,

00:32:19.600 --> 00:32:48.179 Tommy D: and I like to take these messages and these stories and push them out there and get them to the world. So this morning my friend Kolfo is here from the North Star Fund, started out in two thousand and eleven as a development assistant, and over the years has earned and learned her way through the leadership role in development as director of All-star Fund. Kolfo. Thanks for coming on the show today. Let's jump into. Now, really, we we've we've kind of set, some fundamentals. We set a foundation. We got some of it

00:32:48.190 --> 00:32:57.629 Tommy D: from the basic here. Tell us about this organization. Tell us about your journey to this organization. Tell us about the impact, you know, and let's talk in this weave in

00:32:58.120 --> 00:33:02.599 Tommy D: what? How you would talk about trust-based trust-based philanthropy.

00:33:03.520 --> 00:33:04.610 Kofo Anifalaje: Sure,

00:33:04.820 --> 00:33:15.269 Kofo Anifalaje: So I think actually, before I even jump into North Star fun. I want to go back to new voices. Pittsburgh.

00:33:15.280 --> 00:33:33.530 Kofo Anifalaje: Um. Because I want to just connect um or make the connection for um folk with my work there with new voices. Pittsburgh, Their full name of the organization is actually new voices. Pittsburgh for a woman of color for a bit of justice, and the

00:33:33.630 --> 00:33:45.890 Kofo Anifalaje: the reason that this organization was really sort of impactful for me in my path and my journey was because there is a distinction actually between the reproductive justice movement and the reproductive rights,

00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:46.490 The

00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:59.600 Kofo Anifalaje: and the reproductive justice movement is one that is a bit more expansive and inclusive and intersectional than the

00:33:59.610 --> 00:34:16.659 Kofo Anifalaje: I guess. The more traditional and straightforward reproductive rights movement, reproductive justice movement is one that yes, it does obviously concern

00:34:16.670 --> 00:34:27.670 Kofo Anifalaje: a woman or a person's reproductive freedoms. But it connects a person's ability to

00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:53.689 Kofo Anifalaje: live and raise their child in a in an environment that is free and healthy, and um ah and safe, you know they are able. An individual should be able to raise their child in a safe, healthy, and free environment, And so all of the elements that would make an environment

00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:57.310 Kofo Anifalaje: not safe, not healthy for that

00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:26.440 Kofo Anifalaje: child are part of the reproductive justice movement. Those all of those issues are also

00:35:26.450 --> 00:35:39.239 Kofo Anifalaje: when and when I say environment, I do mean environment, right? So, for in some communities, very explicitly, the environment is not healthy, right? And so the air is not helping for children to breathe.

00:35:39.250 --> 00:36:08.310 Kofo Anifalaje: Um. The air is just is poison, you know, for for children to breathe right. And so the environment, the physical environment for people for children is not safe. Um, you know we already know that there are spaces where certain black and brown children, you know, walking down the street. They they cannot safely walk down the street without fear of some sort of interaction that could affect

00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:27.160 Kofo Anifalaje: their their life. You adversely affect their life. We already know the statistics around for black women, the maternal health statistics around black women, one around their abilities to

00:36:27.170 --> 00:36:55.220 Kofo Anifalaje: give birth safely, one, and then two to survive a year after giving birth to you know, to a child, or I think, what is it? Forty times less that of all of a non black person, a non black woman, or a person getting birth. And so you know, all of those things are issues that are addressed and confronted with it.

00:36:55.290 --> 00:37:02.859 Kofo Anifalaje: And many of those things I won't say all. But many of those things are missing from the reproductive rights movement.

00:37:02.870 --> 00:37:19.819 Kofo Anifalaje: Um! And so I lift those up. I lift that up because those are some of the things that were um ah! Just like center for me in my work with new voices. Pittsburgh, when I was in Pittsburgh, and when I was working on my um

00:37:19.940 --> 00:37:48.140 Kofo Anifalaje: a master's degree at seeing you um. And so once I had finished my masters, and I was working, and I was looking for my next step. My um um! You know my job, you know the only commitment that I really made to myself was that I was going to find a space that you know made me feel good. You know I know that you know, as I. Every time I say this now, just like that,

00:37:48.300 --> 00:38:18.110 Kofo Anifalaje: I wanted to find work that did not. That made me feel like I was actually helping that I was, you know, adding to something and that extract

00:38:18.120 --> 00:38:34.960 Kofo Anifalaje: that I I was actually doing a service I was providing a service for a community that I cared about, and that when I was done at the end of the day didn't leave me feeling,

00:38:34.970 --> 00:38:42.289 Kofo Anifalaje: you know, or you know, certainly again coming out of the mortgage industry for sure,

00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:56.640 Kofo Anifalaje: especially at that time in history, sorry mortgage industry. I was like, you know. I mean history is what it is. I mean? It's true. But but you know, did you consider staying in Pittsburgh? Was there an opportunity to stay with nuances?

00:38:57.170 --> 00:39:08.650 Kofo Anifalaje: Um! There definitely was an opportunity to stay in a stay with new voices. Um! And I considered it. Um, I didn't strongly consider it just because I

00:39:08.700 --> 00:39:11.290 Kofo Anifalaje: have a very strong connection to your

00:39:11.300 --> 00:39:12.589 Tommy D: you want to call the

00:39:12.600 --> 00:39:29.720 Kofo Anifalaje: I always kind of wanted to come back home. Um! But ah! You know i'm new voices is just always in my heart. I just, you know I still have a strong connection to it, obviously, and the work lives with me,

00:39:29.730 --> 00:39:32.390 Kofo Anifalaje: and the work is still going on out in the very

00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:43.179 Kofo Anifalaje: yeah I shared. I I shared the website. I just shared a lot of Facebook folks if you want to check it out, and I shared it while we were talking I did like a screen share, but you know, Co-fou, just before we go into it

00:39:43.190 --> 00:40:00.480 Tommy D: doorstar fun just thank you for delineating, you know I may have just assumed that how to do with certain certain things, and and you know, re it up the rights, and and you just totally brought in this. Yeah, as you say, lift up and run this entirely different conversation for for myself, and obviously also for people

00:40:00.490 --> 00:40:20.210 Tommy D: going to listen to this all over the world about redistrusting justice. So thanks for doing that so checked out out. Ah! New voices or J is the dot org? Your voices are J. Dot org if you're not on Facebook. So let's get into North Star fun if we could. Now, because I really want to dive into that, Let's How do you get there? One? How How did you get there?

00:40:20.220 --> 00:40:49.899 Kofo Anifalaje: Um, I got there just completely, randomly. I saw posting, you know, just on like an email forward, for you know a part-time Development associate position. Um, I had not had any. Um, you know experience in philanthropy, in you know, grant-making or fundraising in any way. But you know the work as described, you know, or something that I knew that I could Do

00:40:49.910 --> 00:40:50.990 Kofo Anifalaje: you know it was

00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:59.549 Kofo Anifalaje: for that position. It was a lot of database work and data, entry and stuff like that,

00:41:00.060 --> 00:41:01.439 Kofo Anifalaje: I it.

00:41:01.450 --> 00:41:30.860 Kofo Anifalaje: And so yeah, So I know I can do the work. What I was interested in, and the reason I applied, even though you know here I am, you know I just finished a master's degree program at Cardi and Ellen. I liked the organization I read about the organization. I had spoken to a couple of people, you know, the the founder of new voices, you know, had heard about had known about, You know North Star fun, you know, because as a grant seeker

00:41:30.870 --> 00:42:00.609 Kofo Anifalaje: um, and you know things. So I've spoken to some people, and you know they all. I had all the things about it, you know um, you know, second and third hand, and so, from what I had read. I was like, Okay, This sounds like a pretty good place, you know, to work. And so that's why that's really why I tried. I was like this sounds like a cool place to get into. So this might be the way that I get into it, and from there I guess you can say the rest of history I have, I applied,

00:42:00.620 --> 00:42:28.570 Kofo Anifalaje: and, you know, interviewed, and at the time the organization has grown and gone through a lot of transitions since then, but at the time the person who who had hired me she took me on, and you know pretty much taught me everything that I know about the work that we do about the work of fundraising for an organization like North Star Fuge. And

00:42:28.580 --> 00:42:40.390 Kofo Anifalaje: Um, Yeah, about what we do. And I don't know if we have time now, or if you want me to come back. But then I can jump into what

00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:46.209 Kofo Anifalaje: you if I start now, I' it's my show. If we go lit long and we come back late, we'll figure it out. Let's go

00:42:46.220 --> 00:43:04.660 Kofo Anifalaje: So so north we are a community foundation that gives brands to grassroots, organizations that does work in the five boroughs of New York City as well as the Hudson Valley.

00:43:04.670 --> 00:43:34.049 Kofo Anifalaje: Um. When I talk about our work I like to break it down um, or explain it to people by saying we really do drink things. I see our work, as you know, as two or three things. North Korea is a grant maker. We're a fundraiser, and we are a donor organizer, and most people can pretty easily understand the first two as a being, a grant maker and a fundraising or institution. But but Don't, a organizer, is a little bit more

00:43:34.060 --> 00:43:53.639 Kofo Anifalaje: for people to get as a donor organizer. What we do is we try to connect as a main thing we do as a joint organizer is. We try to always be connecting and educating our donors around how to be good

00:43:53.650 --> 00:44:03.989 Kofo Anifalaje: donors to our grantees and to grantees and our communities. And I can explain what we mean by good donors.

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.790 Kofo Anifalaje: Yeah, let's go back.

00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:14.889 Tommy D: We'll dive into that. We will take a quick one. I'm going to show some of an article Ah, meet the newest grantees summer, two thousand and twenty-two edition. I'll share that. We'll go to break.

00:44:14.900 --> 00:44:28.390 Tommy D: Tell me when we come back what it means to be a good donor, and really I think that'll roll into a little bit about trust-based philanthropy, because that's what we're talking about right all right. So this show is called philanthropy and focus that's gold fault. I'm Tommy, and we're going to take a break.

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00:46:24.270 --> 00:46:26.919 Tommy D: and we are back.

00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:29.359 Tommy D: That's be a focus. It's Friday morning.

00:46:29.370 --> 00:46:37.999 Tommy D: Kfo on a Pelosi honey. Phalogy is here. I I get the anie part right. I knew I needed to hate that more

00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:53.089 Tommy D: Development Officer Development director over at or startup on I'm. Sharing my screen. Still, if you're on Facebook, i'm just taken by. You know these organizations, these grantees that your organization has directed funds towards, and also,

00:46:53.100 --> 00:47:01.000 Tommy D: you know, taught others from a donor organizing perspective. You know. I just want to make a comment, and it's going to take us on a different track. Let's not.

00:47:01.010 --> 00:47:28.720 Tommy D: We don't. We don't have to spend too much time on it. But you know, when Mahin was on the show meeting Kleen uh grant makers for girls of color. We talked a lot about the community knows what it means. The community actually knows what the work that needs to be done, and as I look at the explanation of the descriptions of these organizations, they know what they need to do. They don't need big corporates or donors or people can write big checks that come in and tell them how to do anything in the community. So can we start a little bit there because I think it's kind of related to what we're

00:47:28.730 --> 00:47:29.629 to talk about.

00:47:30.950 --> 00:47:48.739 Kofo Anifalaje: Sure, I think, towards that. And in speaking about North Star Fund. Yes, we definitely believe that trust is important in that the best knowers of what

00:47:48.750 --> 00:48:06.340 Kofo Anifalaje: of how to fix an issue, or the people who are dealing with the issue. And towards that I think, for North Star Fund at least one thing that we do is as a grant maker, something that

00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:23.499 Kofo Anifalaje: it's becoming. I think it is becoming more common in you know recently. But I guess you could say more recently Participatory grant-making is what it's called, and what that means is at least for us

00:48:23.510 --> 00:48:40.759 Kofo Anifalaje: for our grant making we as staff our. We do not make the Grant decisions, for North Star. Fun is about a little over forty years old.

00:48:40.770 --> 00:48:45.390 Kofo Anifalaje: It's been around for over forty years now

00:48:45.400 --> 00:49:13.829 Kofo Anifalaje: are just like grounding. Our founding and sort of like rounding principles have always been about like disrupting power, and disrupting the traditional power dynamics of things right? And um, one way of doing that is disrupting how decisions around grants in um how grants are awarded um are made and for North Star Five. The way that grant decisions are made on

00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:34.000 Kofo Anifalaje: is we um have established outside rent-making bodies that we call our community funding committees um cfcs for short, and our community funding committees are made up of members of communities of our communities that are,

00:49:34.010 --> 00:49:35.729 Kofo Anifalaje: you know, if it

00:49:35.740 --> 00:50:05.050 Kofo Anifalaje: affected and impacted by the issues that we fund. Some of them are former grantees. Some of them are current grantees. Some of them are organizers and activists or individuals who are at various points and elements on the spectrum just in the world in the community. But folks who have actual, you know, sort of firsthand knowledge about

00:50:05.060 --> 00:50:34.749 Kofo Anifalaje: um, the organizing work that we fund. They are the people who are actually reviewing the our grant applications when we do side visits. They are the people who are actually have um do site, visit, and make the assessment about the grants who receives and the breads that we award. It's not us. The administrators. I guess you know we're back in, you know, doing it.

00:50:34.760 --> 00:51:01.680 Kofo Anifalaje: And so that's one way that um in relation to what you know he was saying about. You know. Folks who are, you know, closest to issues, you know, should be the ones who are making decisions. You know. That's one example of how at least for North Start Fund. We try to put people who are closer to the issues in the decision-making power. Um around around the issues.

00:51:01.690 --> 00:51:07.590 Kofo Anifalaje: Thank you. Yeah. So that's the great stuff we do three hours on this these top.

00:51:07.600 --> 00:51:09.979 Tommy D: So what what makes a good donor?

00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.700 Kofo Anifalaje: Ooh? That makes a good donor,

00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:21.600 Tommy D: because that's what we said, you know, doing our organizing. How do we do that? You know how to be a good donor.

00:51:21.790 --> 00:51:28.380 Tommy D: How do you do that? I mean that's a loaded question. Maybe that's a big one for you. But you know we'll make something laugh.

00:51:28.390 --> 00:51:29.410 Uh-huh.

00:51:29.420 --> 00:51:30.689 Kofo Anifalaje: So

00:51:30.700 --> 00:51:44.090 Kofo Anifalaje: you know, I think before I answer that I'll just like big, you know. Top level. I'll just start talking about trust-based philanthropy because it's a a facet of that right

00:51:44.100 --> 00:51:59.239 Kofo Anifalaje: and so trust-based philanthropy. You know It's not something that North Star Fund did not, you know? Think of it! You know It's a um. This is a an approach. You know that um North Star fun is just, you know,

00:51:59.250 --> 00:52:28.619 Kofo Anifalaje: adopting, you know. I actually I don't know you know who thought of it or created it. I think it's a cohort of institutions or people came up with it, but really trust-based philanthropy is an approach that was created really to try to address power and build equity within the philanthropic sphere. Um, And it's really about a way to try to get um philanthropy to confront the way that our sex

00:52:28.630 --> 00:52:45.520 Kofo Anifalaje: has really deeply contributed to systemic inequity in so many ways. Right? If you get into the history of philanthropy, you know it's rife. It's right with you know,

00:52:45.530 --> 00:52:49.689 Kofo Anifalaje: drama and hand inequity, you know.

00:52:49.700 --> 00:53:18.350 Kofo Anifalaje: Um! And so trust-based philanthropy is really, I think, just a very intentional way for um. Ah, ah! Organizations to try to um just directly confront it, and um do something about that, right? And so what it does is it offers a lot of different sort of um. What can you say? What is it called?

00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:48.729 Kofo Anifalaje: Models for organizations to follow? But at its core it's really ah, just about Ah! A list of values that they that your organization can adopt in the way that it operates in it, and the way that it um reviews and assesses the decisions you know that it makes, and I think at its core there,

00:53:48.740 --> 00:54:17.700 Kofo Anifalaje: and it's cor there, I think maybe are about four or five values that really sort of like um hold up trust-based philanthropy and um and i'm i'm going by my memory about this. I I I want to pause you because we are going to run out of time, and I want you to are specific, so I can share research. This is how the show goes. We go fast, and he goes like, so i'll share resources after if you all have me. Sure

00:54:17.710 --> 00:54:28.109 Tommy D: i'm with with Kolfo and I about trust base. But let's have a conversation. Let's make this a conversation. But tell me, what's what's happening right now at North Star, what's up coming, and how we can help.

00:54:28.120 --> 00:54:43.659 Kofo Anifalaje: Oh, my God! Yes, So North Star fun like so much is happening, especially in the last, I would say, like two or three years. You know, North Star fun has just been really. We've sort of like.

00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:45.439 Kofo Anifalaje: Put her head

00:54:45.490 --> 00:54:56.389 Kofo Anifalaje: Put our head down. It just like got to work. We have um. Listen to our grantees. Excuse me. We've listened to our grantees about what they needed, which is obviously

00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:06.270 Kofo Anifalaje: more money, more support, more, you know, back in capacity building, which is just support about. You know,

00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:07.330 Kofo Anifalaje: You know, I.

00:55:07.340 --> 00:55:30.729 Kofo Anifalaje: My organization is growing. You know. How do I? You know um build a team. How do I help my team effectively? So we're trying to help them get them to support about um, you know, around things like that. So we are building out way um supports in in in those ways, for our groups we have

00:55:30.740 --> 00:55:36.360 Kofo Anifalaje: in so many ways doubled, tripled our grant making to our organizations.

00:55:36.370 --> 00:56:05.450 Kofo Anifalaje: Um North Star Fund has a We have three core ranking. Um! Ah, groups we have. We give grants. We have a New York City grant making group. We have a program. We have a Hudson Valley grammar program, and we have a lettuce brief granting program, which is our which is a print-making program for blacklight organizing um and in the last two years. Our blackline organizing rendition program has

00:56:05.460 --> 00:56:08.799 Kofo Anifalaje: we have awarded, I would say, almost

00:56:09.250 --> 00:56:36.740 Kofo Anifalaje: grant, making in that in that category has, I think, tripled. We have again giving two-year brands, multi-year grants in so many, in all of our categories, doubled our grant amounts in, I think almost all of our categories, and our hope is to do more over the coming year. We had a

00:56:36.750 --> 00:57:05.210 Kofo Anifalaje: giving project that we are right now in improvement for um. Giving project is a six six month program where we teach individuals about is it Don't? Organizing opportunity, right? So education-based. And so we teach individuals um the history of philanthropy. We teach you how to to fundraising from a trust-based philanthropy perspective. From your surfus perspective

00:57:05.220 --> 00:57:22.089 Kofo Anifalaje: we teach you the background with some more um and we give you um, and we um send you out there do some fundraising from your own networks. Um toward um in support of our blackline organizing front. So let us refund um and the post, and you some more information on that.

00:57:22.100 --> 00:57:33.339 Tommy D: Yeah, so we'll send it. So we're gonna. So what we're gonna do is so I will share. I am considering putting in an application for that program myself. Both and I've been talking about it, and I tell you all, because now I really have this certificate

00:57:33.350 --> 00:57:43.090 Tommy D: Get in and make it happen, because now I just put it out there in the world. The website is North Starfund Org. How do they get? Is that the best way to get in touch and engage the organization.

00:57:43.100 --> 00:57:47.880 Kofo Anifalaje: Yes, and you can get in touch with me at Kfo, at North Starfield Org

00:57:47.890 --> 00:58:16.429 Kofo Anifalaje: K-fo at North Starfund Org. I am taking the blame for us running out of time. But I did not invent an hour. That only had sixty minutes to sort out. Was I just. I misallocated today, but we will have to just make a new show and have you on the new show go by. I appreciate you. I appreciate your friendship. I appreciate the insights the great work of our start fund is doing, and the great work you were doing as a leader in this sector in our sector in the nonprofit sector. Thanks for being here. I appreciate you, Tommy. It was a pleasure Appreciate you

00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:29.950 Tommy D: absolutely. Last thing i'll say to everybody is before, I say, make it a great day, but make it a great day anyway. Tammy Submarino will be on the show, will be for Girl scouts of Suffolk County next week here in philanthropy and focus Make it a great day. Make a great weekend. Thanks, everybody, thanks

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