WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
Listeners will gain insight and tools to embrace their innate divinity and sacred intelligence.The audience will learn how that inner divinity informs how they can contribute to dismantling systems of oppression habitually.
EPISODE SUMMARY:
Rev. Dr. TLC, who coined the term "sacred intelligence," will be joined by author, healer and astrologer, Martha Alter Hines, MSW. They will discuss how alignment and remembrance of ourselves as beings with innate, divine intelligence supports the work of dismantling racism. When challenging injustice, this alignment with the divine assists in liberating ourselves from our deep-seated, unconscious colonialist conditioning and releasing into a sense of reality more based in love and highest, divine truth.
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Rev. Dr. TLC begins the show with a guided meditation. She states that we must recognize how we perpetuate and contribute to the chaos in the world. Rev. Dr. TLC encourages her listeners to look at how they show up in the world, even if it's with the best intentions. Before going to break, Rev. Dr. TLC introduces the topic of today's episode. It focuses on alignment with our divine self. She welcomes her guest Martha Alter Hines, an author, healer, and astrologer.
Rev. Dr. TLC and Martha discuss the importance of soul alignment. Rev. Dr. TLC asked Martha when she recognized that she had access to divine wisdom and power. Martha had always connected to the divine even when she didn't always understand it at the moment. Martha says it's an experience that continues to evolve, but it started around twenty-one. In her twenties and into her thirties, Martha began doing energy work with people. Martha talks about her upbringing and how she lived around the world as a child because of her missionary parents. She says that her religious values have always been important to her and that she attended many religious institutions as a child.
Rev. Dr. TLC asks Martha when she recognized herself as a white individual. Martha says it is an ongoing developmental journey. Because Martha grew up in foreign countries, her race was very apparent to her. She even noticed a distinct difference in status while growing up in Bangladesh. Martha received more privileges while living in foreign countries than in America. As she got older, Martha was able to see the effects of institutional racism through her stepmother, who was of Pakistani descent.
Returning from the break, Rev. Dr. TLC asks Martha what has been the most challenging part of staying engaged in this work. Martha says she has struggled with intense responses that come off as attacking when confronted with something that might have been taken out of context. Rev. Dr. TLC clarifies Martha's statement about feeling attacked in a racial discussion. She asks Martha what words of advice she would give those who are trying to bring themselves in alignment with their higher self. You can find more information on Martha Alter Hines at her website livingtheonelight.com.
00:00:33.780 --> 00:01:03.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello and welcome to the dismantled racism, show where our goal is to uncover, dismantle and eradicate racism. We really do want to create a world where racial equity is the norm. I am your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc. As always. We want to begin our show by grounding and centering us for the important conversation ahead. So I invite you, if you would, to just connect with the feel of your
00:01:03.620 --> 00:01:09.799 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in your chair and plant your feet silently on the floor. If you would
00:01:09.930 --> 00:01:13.819 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: close your eyes just for a moment,
00:01:14.670 --> 00:01:18.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and began to take some deep breaths in the
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00:01:21.020 --> 00:01:23.459 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with who you are
00:01:24.170 --> 00:01:26.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your
00:01:26.900 --> 00:01:29.529 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: environment around you,
00:01:30.320 --> 00:01:32.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with the people
00:01:32.910 --> 00:01:35.159 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that are around you,
00:01:35.750 --> 00:01:44.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and not just the people who are present in the room or the next room, but extending out into your community
00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:47.179 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and into the larger world.
00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:50.679 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in
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00:01:53.410 --> 00:01:57.579 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting now with the essence of who you are
00:01:58.320 --> 00:02:01.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your power, source
00:02:02.450 --> 00:02:06.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your divine wisdom.
00:02:07.470 --> 00:02:12.429 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in and out, being mindful that your breath
00:02:12.980 --> 00:02:14.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is life.
00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.919 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in and out, knowing
00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:24.309 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that life itself
00:02:25.090 --> 00:02:29.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: continues to perpetuate life that is abundant,
00:02:30.220 --> 00:02:34.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that is good, that is loving and kind.
00:02:36.030 --> 00:02:38.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Life feeds on itself.
00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What we think matters
00:02:42.270 --> 00:02:45.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what we focus our attention on matters
00:02:46.650 --> 00:02:50.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so breathe in and out your power,
00:02:51.320 --> 00:03:05.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your power, from your connection with divine wisdom, your power to make choices that are good for you, and that manifest your greatness while manifesting the greatness of others,
00:03:06.430 --> 00:03:09.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connect with your power, source your
00:03:10.100 --> 00:03:12.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: innate power,
00:03:13.750 --> 00:03:16.679 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your infinite power.
00:03:18.260 --> 00:03:22.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Know that everything you need is available for you
00:03:24.720 --> 00:03:27.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in and out,
00:03:28.620 --> 00:03:30.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just receiving that
00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:38.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that because you are connected with something greater than yourself,
00:03:39.580 --> 00:03:44.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: possibilities exist for healing. Racial separation
00:03:47.860 --> 00:03:51.719 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connect with your own power to heal,
00:03:53.780 --> 00:03:57.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that from you comes love
00:03:57.660 --> 00:04:00.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because you are loved itself,
00:04:01.040 --> 00:04:05.159 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you are loved unconditionally.
00:04:06.830 --> 00:04:08.999 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You are divinely created.
00:04:10.890 --> 00:04:14.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So breathe in and out,
00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that the power of one
00:04:18.430 --> 00:04:21.519 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: contributes to the power of community.
00:04:22.990 --> 00:04:29.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in and out, recognizing that you can change the status quo,
00:04:32.140 --> 00:04:37.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in and out, knowing that you are not alone.
00:04:40.030 --> 00:04:42.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are here for one another,
00:04:42.770 --> 00:04:45.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we can change the world.
00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.729 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So they take a deep breath in,
00:04:49.850 --> 00:04:51.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sigh it out
00:04:51.780 --> 00:04:53.129 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and let's begin.
00:04:56.270 --> 00:05:08.409 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In many ways. There is a collective consciousness of scarcity, fear, anger, and hatred that seems to be permeating the world right now,
00:05:08.670 --> 00:05:24.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but it's important for us to see how we perpetuate and contribute to that mindset to this collective consciousness that we cannot dismantle racism.
00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:34.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Perhaps it's in our language, because I often hear people say, Is it possible to dismantle racism or no? I won't. Ever see that in my lifetime?
00:05:36.140 --> 00:05:39.939 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Maybe it's our beliefs
00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:42.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about the other
00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:52.809 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what the other is doing, and often what I see as well is people getting angry when folks don't show up the way they want them to,
00:05:52.820 --> 00:06:01.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and these are folks who, we believe, are on the same page as we are. But sometimes we don't believe that they're doing enough.
00:06:02.250 --> 00:06:15.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The ways in which we perpetuate racism. The ways in which we perpetuate this belief that we can't feel. The world starts with our thinking.
00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:18.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It also
00:06:18.490 --> 00:06:22.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: starts with our language that we're using,
00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:28.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because both those things lead to our behavior and how we show up
00:06:30.430 --> 00:06:33.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: today. I want us to think about
00:06:33.850 --> 00:06:45.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how we're showing up in the world, even with the best of intentions. How are we showing up in the world? How are we using our in a power to heal the world?
00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:52.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You heard me say that we are divinely creative, and I believe that
00:06:52.380 --> 00:07:09.169 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your beliefs might be different. But I believe that we all harness this power within us; that if we were to use it and use it to our fullest degree, that we can contribute to dismantling racism.
00:07:09.550 --> 00:07:12.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If we use our full stripe,
00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:18.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it starts with the belief that we have the power to make a difference,
00:07:20.030 --> 00:07:28.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that we came in this world fully equipped with all the resources that we need. It's inherent within us.
00:07:30.270 --> 00:07:33.439 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But not only is it inherent within us.
00:07:33.700 --> 00:07:35.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just look around,
00:07:35.610 --> 00:07:43.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: look around at the people who support us indirectly and directly,
00:07:48.550 --> 00:07:55.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and perhaps you might say, Well, I don't have many of those people around, but if you look carefully, I bet you will see,
00:07:55.380 --> 00:08:08.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I also bet that if you look carefully, you will see that there are people out here who want to dismantle racism, who want to change the world, who want to achieve racial equity.
00:08:08.740 --> 00:08:11.089 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I see it all the time,
00:08:11.570 --> 00:08:20.639 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but we have to open up our spirits, open up our bodies, open up our energy enough to receive those people.
00:08:21.230 --> 00:08:28.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If we think small. If we play small, we cannot change the world.
00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:41.659 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We can't even change ourselves or our circumstances. If you want greatness to occur in your life individually. You have to start by recognizing your power. You have to start by
00:08:41.820 --> 00:08:48.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: accepting it, receiving it. And then, once you recognize your power,
00:08:48.110 --> 00:08:50.369 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because we all have power,
00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.439 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: regardless of our status
00:08:53.550 --> 00:09:10.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: socioeconomic status, regardless of how we identify in terms of gender or race. Each of us contain, we have a container of an eighth power. We just have to figure out how to use it. And then, once we do, we have to use it responsibly,
00:09:11.280 --> 00:09:18.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so I can't use my power to harm other people. That's not what it means to manifest. My greatness.
00:09:19.220 --> 00:09:24.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: My greatness is tied to your greatness, and vice versa.
00:09:25.220 --> 00:09:32.889 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I invite you today to spend some time doing the breathwork that I do every week when we come on
00:09:32.900 --> 00:09:38.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sitting in that space of connecting with your power,
00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.749 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because that power will lead to hope.
00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:54.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It will lead to faith. It will lead to wisdom, and, above all, it will lead you to demonstrate your power in love and love is an action.
00:09:55.350 --> 00:09:57.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's not passive.
00:09:57.250 --> 00:10:03.199 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We all can do this. We all can heal the world.
00:10:03.310 --> 00:10:05.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If we use our power
00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:14.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: today on our show. I am joined by Martha Altar Heinz.
00:10:14.750 --> 00:10:36.129 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are going to be discussing how alignment and remembrance of ourselves as being beings with an eight divine intelligence or the work of dismantling racism. When we are challenging injustices in a work in in this world, If we are in alignment
00:10:36.140 --> 00:10:52.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with our Divine source. We can actually liberate ourselves from this deep-seated unconsciousness, and particularly unconsciousness around the ways in which we perpetuate racism and colonization.
00:10:52.920 --> 00:11:02.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The deep conditioning that we all have. There's work for all of us to do. It does not matter the color,
00:11:02.400 --> 00:11:15.139 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I know it gets tiring particularly for people of color. But we must continue in this work, and we must know that even as individuals who have been arrest,
00:11:15.260 --> 00:11:18.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we also have power.
00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:28.499 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So today Martha Hines will talk to us about being an alignment. She is a mom,
00:11:28.560 --> 00:11:49.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: an author, a healer, and an astrologer. She's had twenty years of experience as a clinical social worker and a psychotherapist and a body worker. She bridges her trauma-informed clinical background with a deep understanding of ourselves as beings of the cosmos
00:11:49.110 --> 00:12:06.469 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: earth, divine heart, mine and so much more. Martha is dedicated to serving our world, to helping each of us thrive into supporting us, to come back to that place of infinite wisdom and healing,
00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:11.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: which is our natural state of being so before the break.
00:12:12.190 --> 00:12:18.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I just want to say, Welcome, Martha. I am so delighted to have you join us today.
00:12:19.280 --> 00:12:23.860 Martha Hines: Thank you. You got me crying through this whole, the whole beginning
00:12:24.070 --> 00:12:24.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as well.
00:12:24.900 --> 00:12:31.109 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Fortunately, Martha, we are coming up on a break, so you have time to
00:12:31.430 --> 00:12:51.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: together and collect yourself, and when we come back we're going to just jump right into it, Martha, so that we can help folks figure out how they can align with the power that already resides within them. This is the dismantle racism show. We will be right back on your host. The Reverend Dr. Tlc.
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00:15:05.660 --> 00:15:19.299 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with my guest today, Martha Hines and Martha. Let's just jump right into it because we're talking about our sole alignment and the ways in which we can use that to dismantle racism.
00:15:19.390 --> 00:15:30.129 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Talk to me a little bit about when you first realized who you are, as an innate being with access to divine wisdom and power.
00:15:30.690 --> 00:15:31.950 Martha Hines: Um,
00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:32.960 Martha Hines: I think
00:15:33.150 --> 00:15:40.439 Martha Hines: probably for all of us that it's like a multi-layered experience that's continually evolving. So you,
00:15:40.590 --> 00:15:43.450 Martha Hines: I would say,
00:15:43.880 --> 00:15:53.279 Martha Hines: I I started having experiences that helped me to remember, probably around age twenty-one when I started um
00:15:53.670 --> 00:16:03.839 Martha Hines: learning Raky well in high school, I had gone to the Unity Church. And so, you know, I was waking up to certain aspects of my divine self.
00:16:04.190 --> 00:16:10.899 Martha Hines: But then, in my twentys and into my thirtys, I was doing a lot of energy work.
00:16:11.210 --> 00:16:12.940 Martha Hines: Ah, with people
00:16:13.490 --> 00:16:18.099 Martha Hines: kind of on the side, as it was also a social worker. And so through
00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:22.629 Martha Hines: through that energy work, I was starting to experience
00:16:23.460 --> 00:16:32.169 Martha Hines: spirits and all kinds of you know, spiritually related things. But i'd say it's really starting about
00:16:32.210 --> 00:16:47.899 Martha Hines: well. And then I had another kind of major experience in two thousand and twelve after my daughter was born. And then the most significant period of like really remembering to what her extent I quote unquote. Remember, at this moment
00:16:47.920 --> 00:16:58.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: began, I would say, four years ago, in two thousand and eighteen, with an experience that then led to me, leaving my social with job, and
00:16:58.590 --> 00:16:59.490 Martha Hines: it's
00:16:59.500 --> 00:17:05.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah, so it's. It's been a gradual multi-layer thing i'm. Sure. I'm not done
00:17:05.020 --> 00:17:16.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, none of us ever are so let's back up a little bit because you talked about this awakening of understanding your divine self basically
00:17:17.109 --> 00:17:28.689 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in your twenties. And after you've gone to like Unity Church opening you up. Did you have an experience before that with being a part of any religious organization
00:17:28.800 --> 00:17:30.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for institution?
00:17:30.580 --> 00:17:31.820 Martha Hines: Well,
00:17:32.280 --> 00:17:34.820 Martha Hines: I
00:17:35.120 --> 00:17:53.610 Martha Hines: I was born in Thailand, and I lived in Bangladesh and Pakistan, and then later in Kenya as a child. And so I and my family had been missionaries in India. So there's there was always a kind of undercurrent of
00:17:53.650 --> 00:18:11.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: religious values or connection to the Divine Being very important, and I also attended. When I was living in various countries, I attended many different places of worship of all different religions. So it was always there.
00:18:11.990 --> 00:18:16.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm. But I I was a child, I mean. I didn't consciously
00:18:17.290 --> 00:18:30.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: understand what I was feeling, but there was always this spark, you know, of this divine knowing in me that I was witnessing and experiencing from many different angles through my life. Yeah.
00:18:30.550 --> 00:18:43.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I love that. And one of the reasons why I wanted to ask about that because of two things one, I think that many people are a part of religious institutions,
00:18:43.940 --> 00:18:56.749 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and they never come to an understanding of their own in a divine wisdom and power. They believe it to be something that's out there.
00:18:56.760 --> 00:19:11.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They don't connect with the fact that we really are, and the way I actually teach the the congregation that I lead. I often talk about. We are the manifestation of the divine.
00:19:12.030 --> 00:19:20.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The divine is working through us so, and we are showing up as as God,
00:19:20.120 --> 00:19:26.979 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and for some people that's shocking. Oh, no, no, I'm like, but you are fully human, and you're fully divine.
00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:46.169 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You came into this this world created in this image of the divine Don't don't leave that part out of who you are, and I think that's why a lot of people don't connect with their own divinity because they want to see the Divinity as something other than them. Right. So
00:19:46.180 --> 00:19:50.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think it's important that you have talked about
00:19:50.350 --> 00:20:07.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: over time how this blossomed because it was always there. So I want to encourage listeners to go back and to tap into that if they've been missing out on that part. But I also think you said something else that was really important.
00:20:07.570 --> 00:20:15.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's a part, developmentally, even where we can't understand all of what we what we hear,
00:20:15.730 --> 00:20:27.199 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: even if it's just going to church and hearing the past, or talking about God's presence. And you're like you can't get that necessarily when you're at ten or eleven in the same way that you do as you grow older.
00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:42.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So spirituality and our understanding of who we are develops over time, and people have to be willing to explore it, because that's the beautiful thing about what you were talking about with your trajectory.
00:20:42.600 --> 00:20:55.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It evolves over time. And then the third thing that I heard you say, See, there was lots of stuff that I that I heard in there is that you were open to different ways of experiencing the divine.
00:20:55.390 --> 00:20:58.009 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Do you see that as important?
00:20:58.390 --> 00:20:59.589 Oh, it's crucial.
00:20:59.600 --> 00:21:01.169 Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:01.310 --> 00:21:11.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah. There cannot possibly be one way that God can be known. But yeah, yes, Yes, part of my.
00:21:12.300 --> 00:21:15.019 Martha Hines: The experience of growing up around the world that was
00:21:15.550 --> 00:21:17.879 Martha Hines: front and center for me was that,
00:21:18.260 --> 00:21:23.359 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know there can't, cannot be only one right answer. And
00:21:23.370 --> 00:21:36.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is there an experience that you feel comfortable talking to us about where you've accessed this divine wisdom, or where there was enlightenment that Oh, my goodness, i'm um
00:21:36.970 --> 00:21:42.099 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: powerful beyond belief as Marianne Williamson.
00:21:42.270 --> 00:21:44.160 Martha Hines: Yeah, um.
00:21:45.520 --> 00:21:48.960 Martha Hines: There are many uh I would say
00:21:49.100 --> 00:22:00.129 Martha Hines: the most. The what thing that's coming to my mind is pretty Stark was when I was Let's see, four years ago, in two thousand and eighteen I was a
00:22:00.350 --> 00:22:05.509 Martha Hines: as a supervisor at child protective services in the county where I live,
00:22:05.590 --> 00:22:10.820 Martha Hines: and I was in charge of a very intense
00:22:11.110 --> 00:22:16.480 Martha Hines: program that was trying to prevent kids from being taken from their families,
00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:22.120 Martha Hines: so I felt really passionately about it. It was cutting edge, very progressive program,
00:22:22.470 --> 00:22:24.700 Martha Hines: and
00:22:25.270 --> 00:22:27.260 Martha Hines: I had an experience
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:33.730 Martha Hines: much longer story. But the short version I had an experience where you,
00:22:34.570 --> 00:22:36.900 Martha Hines: I had a set of
00:22:37.130 --> 00:22:39.099 Martha Hines: spirits come to me
00:22:39.230 --> 00:22:45.890 Martha Hines: like a circ. It was a circle of eight spirits. This had never happened to me before, and they told me that
00:22:46.690 --> 00:22:51.099 Martha Hines: you are going to need to start channeling, which I had never done.
00:22:51.110 --> 00:22:54.030 Martha Hines: And we're going to channel through you
00:22:54.130 --> 00:23:05.429 Martha Hines: and you are. You're going to write down what we say, and then what you channel will become the platform. These are their words will become the platform for what we need you to do next.
00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:16.590 Martha Hines: But then they they outlined for me a set of things that would happen, such as I needed to switch my position in the social work,
00:23:17.490 --> 00:23:27.959 Martha Hines: and that that position would then allow me to travel to. I live in Southern California. It would allow me to travel to Northern California on a regular basis,
00:23:28.150 --> 00:23:32.620 Martha Hines: and it was up there that they would start channeling through me.
00:23:32.910 --> 00:23:36.590 Martha Hines: So this seemed insane, crazy,
00:23:36.600 --> 00:23:52.009 Martha Hines: but I somehow believed it, and so I took action to make it happen. And on the second day that I was in that other social work position that they had told me that I should be in. I got assigned a client
00:23:52.020 --> 00:24:02.030 Martha Hines: in Northern California. They had actually specifically said, You need to go an hour north of San Francisco on a regular basis, so that we can start channeling through. You
00:24:02.760 --> 00:24:06.490 Martha Hines: and I got assigned a client an hour north of San Francisco.
00:24:06.500 --> 00:24:08.789 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What I had to go see once a month
00:24:08.800 --> 00:24:09.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: he's,
00:24:09.500 --> 00:24:27.990 Martha Hines: and when I went up there I began feeling this need to channel, and it began happening, and I channeled. Then I channeled the first book in the series of books that I'm. Channeling in September of two thousand and eighteen. So, exactly four years ago this this
00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.379 Martha Hines: experience of the four I mean, of the eight
00:24:30.520 --> 00:24:37.319 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: spirits happened in April, the twentieth eighteen, and then I channeled that first book in September of two thousand and eighteen,
00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:42.370 Martha Hines: anyway, is the most uncanny, bizarre experience. But it
00:24:42.390 --> 00:24:45.289 Martha Hines: came exactly as they said.
00:24:45.300 --> 00:24:49.389 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, you know what I appreciate about the stories because you're a clinical social worker.
00:24:49.400 --> 00:25:06.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah, you're recognized. Yeah. Recognize that others out here will see the story. As you know It's It's it's it's. Or for like, is she seeing things as she hear anything. And there comes a distinction. Yeah, which I think is really important, because we're both
00:25:06.360 --> 00:25:12.599 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: therapist here, right? You know, As a psychologist, I I get it. I understand it. There's a distinction
00:25:13.460 --> 00:25:16.689 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: between one who has a thought disorder,
00:25:16.700 --> 00:25:18.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and here's voices
00:25:19.040 --> 00:25:21.389 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and see stings.
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Ah!
00:25:22.620 --> 00:25:41.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As opposed to being spiritually awakened and hearing things. Now i'm not saying thought disordered. People do not hear from spirit, because I certainly believe that. But you and I both know that there's a difference in the way it presents itself. And what I want our listeners
00:25:41.390 --> 00:25:48.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to be open to are the multiple ways in which the divine can speak to you.
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:49.490 Yes,
00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:53.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for some people it might be eight spirits saying
00:25:53.830 --> 00:26:09.989 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: something to you Sometimes it's just a voice. I have clearly heard a voice say something to me, and I end up either working in that place that that the voices said, Oh, you're going to be working there, and it's uncanny, as you say.
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah, uh there, that uh been times when
00:26:14.590 --> 00:26:21.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: spirit is clearly said, reach out to that person. It's about paying attention to
00:26:21.120 --> 00:26:36.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that in eight voice, because that in a voice will guide us, even as it relates to how we should dismantle racism. So I want to move to the second question that I want to ask you around your consciousness.
00:26:37.460 --> 00:27:02.969 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know you've talked about your consciousness around spirit, but as we, as we get ready to go to break. I really want to have you to think about your consciousness around race when you first realized who you were as a racial being, because you've talked about your upbringing in all of these different places, so that obviously awakened you to being different, but
00:27:02.980 --> 00:27:12.809 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: different, and in whatever ways right. But your consciousness around who you are as a racial being, and in particular
00:27:12.830 --> 00:27:16.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: around being a white person,
00:27:16.700 --> 00:27:31.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as it's defined. Because we know that race is a social construct. So Let's just get that out of the way. It's a social construct. We're more than who we present ourselves to be. But I love you when we come back from the break to talk about
00:27:31.660 --> 00:27:45.669 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when you first became aware of who you are as a being who's in this white body. So we're going to take a break. This is the dismantle racism. Show my guest today is Martha Hines, and we'll be right back.
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00:29:47.130 --> 00:30:10.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with my guest today. Martha Hines is with us, and we've been talking about being aligned with our sole being. And really following that that power that lies within to dismantle racism. So before the break mark, I ask you to think about when you first begin to realize you are as
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:15.689 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a being who presents as a white individual. So
00:30:16.060 --> 00:30:18.019 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when did you know who you were?
00:30:18.540 --> 00:30:19.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Racially?
00:30:20.790 --> 00:30:36.419 Martha Hines: Well? I think that also is a ongoing developmental journey, you know. And so there were various stages so like you said, because of the way I grew up and where I grew up. It was from the minute I was born, probably very stark to me that I was
00:30:37.180 --> 00:30:56.160 Martha Hines: um. My skin color was different, and my status was very, very, very starkly different than the people surrounding me in. Let's say, bay, let us with my first home. Then I moved to the United States. Then I moved to Pakistan. So those were the the main homes I had as a
00:30:56.170 --> 00:31:00.420 Martha Hines: early childhood child. Um! And
00:31:00.610 --> 00:31:14.580 Martha Hines: at that stage what was very clear was not only was I white. I was white in a society where white people were treated like gods,
00:31:14.590 --> 00:31:21.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so it was like in the United States. Being white absolutely has major privilege, and all of these things that we know
00:31:22.290 --> 00:31:27.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: growing up in that setting. It was that. But on steroids.
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.940 Martha Hines: So you know it's incredibly stark, and then um!
00:31:31.980 --> 00:31:36.670 Martha Hines: And then my my stepmother.
00:31:37.110 --> 00:31:46.390 Martha Hines: I met when I was seven. She was from Pakistan, and she was very, very from a very poor family,
00:31:46.420 --> 00:31:48.740 Martha Hines: with very dark skin
00:31:48.850 --> 00:31:52.979 Martha Hines: in a part of Pakistan. That's quite um.
00:31:54.360 --> 00:31:59.660 Martha Hines: It's right near Afghanistan. So anyway, it's a very extreme part of Pakistan, and
00:32:00.280 --> 00:32:04.389 Martha Hines: she and I were extremely close and again long story, much shorter,
00:32:04.790 --> 00:32:20.700 Martha Hines: interacting with her through hearing the stories of her life, and then through watching her experiences, living in Pakistan, living in Kenya, living in the United States and living in South Africa, where my dad and she lived when I was in college.
00:32:20.710 --> 00:32:40.469 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think that was when it hit me the strongest on a personal level. What the institutionalized racism of our entire world does to people who I love deeply, and so that that's you know one layer of getting it that I'm in this
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.150 Martha Hines: particular privilege situation.
00:32:43.170 --> 00:33:00.449 Martha Hines: But the thing that is really hitting me the most strongly now is, not only am I white? But I I grew up in a colonialized society. So again, in South Asia or in Kenya or South Africa.
00:33:00.540 --> 00:33:16.060 Martha Hines: The white people were colonizers, literally right. So there's so many layers to that mindset of the White or European or United States way of being as being
00:33:16.290 --> 00:33:18.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: better than mm-hmm
00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:32.390 Martha Hines: that was just ingrained in me, and totally surrounding me. So there's so many layers now of me seeing things in myself that I would I was never aware of
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:34.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: ever. But I wasn't just
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:43.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah. So before you get to that place of where you want it to change and need to change, I want us to go back.
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:52.009 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because what does that feel like? What does that feel like to grow up in this white skin, and knowing that people
00:33:52.600 --> 00:34:01.149 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: worship you in that way, and that you have that power and that privilege. What does it feel like? Because that's a sense of freedom.
00:34:01.360 --> 00:34:06.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Not everybody walks around with that that many people of color don't like it,
00:34:06.360 --> 00:34:22.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know. I know that even though i'm free as a divine being, I there are times where I know I have to be careful where I walk. Be careful what I do, and it's not based on being a woman is based on my blackness. So
00:34:22.510 --> 00:34:24.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what does that feel like to have that
00:34:24.860 --> 00:34:33.069 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that power and privilege actually as a female, a white female in let's say,
00:34:33.130 --> 00:34:39.699 Martha Hines: anywhere in South Asia. For me it actually felt pretty scary because it
00:34:39.850 --> 00:34:49.789 Martha Hines: and very vulnerable. So, for example, you know, we might be riding in a car, and all the men would be literally staring and pointing the whole time.
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.839 Martha Hines: It actually felt very invasive.
00:34:52.850 --> 00:34:56.179 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It didn't feel like freedom. It felt like the opposite.
00:34:56.190 --> 00:34:57.589 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Okay, and that's important.
00:34:57.600 --> 00:34:58.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes,
00:34:58.300 --> 00:35:02.849 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah. But on the other hand. Um!
00:35:03.040 --> 00:35:06.490 Martha Hines: There was a an incredible freedom in the sense that
00:35:07.040 --> 00:35:22.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we could afford anything we could. We had servants, I mean. There's so many layers. I look back on it now and have so many issues. But that was part of the reality. I was just economically, incredibly privileged at that point in my life,
00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:29.409 Martha Hines: you know. And now, at this point in my life I've also been a single mom, and, you know, have struggled just to even afford to eat, and you know. So I've lived
00:35:29.560 --> 00:35:31.589 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Many are.
00:35:31.600 --> 00:35:32.410 Martha Hines: Yeah.
00:35:32.420 --> 00:35:34.189 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So when did it shift
00:35:34.200 --> 00:35:50.119 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for you? So you grow up with this privilege, you know, and You've been in many countries, as you've said, so you grow up with that. And then coming to the United States even as a single mom who struggles, and
00:35:50.130 --> 00:35:54.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know I definitely want to honor that space of you.
00:35:55.180 --> 00:36:06.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There are still other privileges that you afford, just as a white woman. When did it start to shift for you that Wait a minute.
00:36:06.180 --> 00:36:13.439 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's something not right about this and that I have a responsibility to make a change.
00:36:15.220 --> 00:36:28.379 Martha Hines: Yeah, again. I think there's so many different layers of that. I I think I recognize the need for us as people who do have white skin to change
00:36:28.710 --> 00:36:31.519 Martha Hines: way back. You know childhood for sure,
00:36:31.530 --> 00:36:36.649 Martha Hines: and through my entire adulthood. But I think it was
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:52.590 Martha Hines: actually. And this is relevant to the topic we're discussing today. I think it coincided with the more and more and more kind of I guess you could say Spiritually awake I more open I become to the Divine Intelligence, just moving as me.
00:36:52.940 --> 00:37:06.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Suddenly I see things that I haven't seen before. Like all those layers of the Colonialist mindset that I have, that is really the thing that is stark for me right now, and I think that began
00:37:06.770 --> 00:37:11.489 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: probably in the last two, three years,
00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:18.559 Martha Hines: and one of the wake up calls, which I think is probably pretty stereotypical for you, and I know I think I've heard you talk about this being sort of
00:37:18.610 --> 00:37:20.270 Martha Hines: frustrating
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:24.450 Martha Hines: you is the election uh when
00:37:24.560 --> 00:37:36.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: trump almost won for a second time. And you know this is darkness of the incredibly horrific racism that is so rampant in this country.
00:37:36.150 --> 00:37:41.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah. And And to be clear. So let me be clear that
00:37:42.490 --> 00:37:49.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the My, in in terms of what you're referring to my frustration or my
00:37:49.900 --> 00:37:53.689 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: like disbelief, so to speak.
00:37:53.700 --> 00:38:08.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really one. Yes, the trump election, but more so when George Floyd was killed and people were like that like I I didn't know things were this bad. Well, actually, if we go back to even when President Obama was elected
00:38:08.140 --> 00:38:27.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this whole tea party, how much do you hear about a tea party now? Not very much to you, but with that with him, having to prove that he he was born in the United States all of these things right. So So that's the that's the piece that's like.
00:38:27.580 --> 00:38:35.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Did you not know that racism existed? But again, I take people where they are,
00:38:35.040 --> 00:38:40.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we move in this place of love and expansiveness, and
00:38:41.110 --> 00:38:53.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what I think happened with the sacrifice. And i'm going to say the sacrifice of George Floyd and all the other people who had been killed before and after. But somehow people
00:38:53.330 --> 00:39:04.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: woke up a little bit with with George Floyd is that I think that there is this expansiveness that people are saying, This is not who we want to be.
00:39:04.370 --> 00:39:07.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So we need to figure this thing out.
00:39:08.290 --> 00:39:09.979 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What I think
00:39:10.120 --> 00:39:29.849 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in terms of hearing your story, Martha, though, is that all of those experiences that you had those collective experiences, those things prepare you for what you're doing now, because you can understand colonization in ways that other folks
00:39:29.860 --> 00:39:38.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: may not understand it. You you witness it when you went to other countries, because people in other countries like to say, Oh, we don't have racism,
00:39:38.950 --> 00:39:42.699 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but yet you've just given us examples of it.
00:39:42.710 --> 00:39:43.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He's.
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So i'm wondering
00:39:46.270 --> 00:40:03.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: from your perspective of who we are, as divine beings, and who we believe ourselves to be as racial beings. How do we bring those two consciousness together so that we can
00:40:03.990 --> 00:40:12.489 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: really achieve the world where we can manifest the greatness of everyone that we can see that there's a shared humanity.
00:40:13.450 --> 00:40:14.600 Martha Hines: Well,
00:40:15.330 --> 00:40:21.140 Martha Hines: one of the big things that I notice in myself as I
00:40:21.260 --> 00:40:31.579 Martha Hines: really connect with that inner divine wisdom that is me is first of all that innate divine wisdom that is, all of us
00:40:32.030 --> 00:40:35.330 Martha Hines: is us, and isn't us right. So
00:40:35.430 --> 00:40:42.170 Martha Hines: when I turn myself over to that power suddenly I can be wrong.
00:40:42.180 --> 00:40:54.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's okay for me to be wrong, to have been wrong, to continue to be wrong, realizing that i'm wrong. And so there's a humility that comes with it, because
00:40:54.290 --> 00:41:02.220 Martha Hines: um, there's this intelligence that is so far beyond the human me. And yet it's also me.
00:41:02.370 --> 00:41:05.819 Martha Hines: So it's okay to be wrong, because i'm also
00:41:06.260 --> 00:41:13.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just relaxing into this reality of ourselves as everything right.
00:41:13.630 --> 00:41:17.989 Martha Hines: And then also, when I relax into that place
00:41:18.120 --> 00:41:24.309 Martha Hines: suddenly, the vision of something that's more true becomes
00:41:24.570 --> 00:41:43.759 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so starkly clear, you know. So it's both both. I I see things differently when I relax into that place, and I can let go into the humility that I think is pretty crucial, especially for people who have been in such incredible places of power.
00:41:43.950 --> 00:41:47.030 Martha Hines: We need to be okay, being wrong.
00:41:47.040 --> 00:41:55.939 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Seriously, Yeah. So when you're working with people, where do you start with them with helping them to
00:41:56.330 --> 00:42:01.809 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: bring themselves in alignment, and and to do exactly what you just said.
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:09.579 Martha Hines: Well, I have a number of ways. Almost everything I do these days is channels. And so
00:42:09.600 --> 00:42:21.990 Martha Hines: when I hold space for people, every person is different, like you said, and every person's need is going to be different. But typically the people who come to me are ready and needing
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:34.990 Martha Hines: what it is I'm channeling. So I really hold them in a prayer space on in various different ways, in groups and within individuals, where we
00:42:35.450 --> 00:42:55.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: led by the spirit world essentially into a visceral remembering of the light of ourselves, our heart, the earth, the divine, all is one. And so we get purely aligned in that oneness of ourselves. And then we just let go.
00:42:55.210 --> 00:42:58.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm. Ourselves as the divine. Yeah,
00:42:58.100 --> 00:43:04.749 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I love that because really what you're saying is you're inviting folks into this space
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:33.909 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of of of blocking out all of this excess noise that's out here that tells us that there's something other than the divine beings that we were created to be. So I love that you just bring them into. I love the word remembrance. Because I often talk about that is that I think the reason why most people show up in this place of fear and hatred, and all of that is because they've forgotten that they are divine beings before we ever chose to
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:51.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to to come here and to be in this earthling realm. We we came from a place of divinity, right? And so it's about remembering that that's who we are. Now, Of course, we've just shaken some folks up with that thought, we're going to take a break, and they have time to settle in
00:43:51.140 --> 00:44:10.869 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: on that part of the conversation. And really to to imagine connecting with your Divine self. Because if you can connect with that in a part of you, you'll recognize that you can change the world. We're going to be right back. This is the dismantle racism show. I'm. Your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc.
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00:46:12.720 --> 00:46:19.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we are back with for the dismantled racism Show Martha, in our last
00:46:20.030 --> 00:46:22.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: few moments of the shell,
00:46:22.850 --> 00:46:26.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: talks to me about what's been the most difficult part
00:46:27.030 --> 00:46:44.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for you to stay engaged in this work of dismantling racism, because you know, it's been my experience, for in in terms of the people that I work with, and even the ones I don't work with. Actually. Um. It's easy for white people to opt out and say
00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:47.919 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know what i'm conscious about it, but
00:46:48.050 --> 00:46:54.309 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's too much to do it right now. So what's been the hardest part about staying engaged?
00:46:56.270 --> 00:47:11.009 Martha Hines: Great question. Um! The thing coming up for me, I would say I wouldn't say this deters me exactly, but it is something I've grappled with a little, and maybe you even have thoughts on it.
00:47:11.790 --> 00:47:19.649 Martha Hines: Something that's felt difficult for me is when I have been challenged in a way that feels
00:47:19.810 --> 00:47:31.550 Martha Hines: aggressive or threatening toward me. You know, when somebody legitimately see something I've said, or something i'm doing that feels
00:47:31.700 --> 00:47:43.990 Martha Hines: racist or off in some way for them. Um, you know. As you know, there's infinite ways we can respond to that, and sometimes people have been pretty attacking toward me. So
00:47:45.070 --> 00:47:49.980 Martha Hines: again that doesn't stop me from wanting to continue to do my best to
00:47:50.240 --> 00:47:53.319 Martha Hines: work on these things, in myself and in the world. But
00:47:53.560 --> 00:48:05.510 Martha Hines: that does. I do pause for a second, and really go deep into what felt right, what felt good. What felt productive for me about that or not? What is my honest
00:48:05.610 --> 00:48:11.290 Martha Hines: response to what they're challenging me with, and the way they're challenging me.
00:48:11.300 --> 00:48:13.490 Martha Hines: Um, I mean that's what comes up.
00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:15.169 Martha Hines: Yeah,
00:48:15.250 --> 00:48:23.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know what's interesting when you use the words still attacked, because you,
00:48:24.010 --> 00:48:33.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in my experience, particularly when it's interracial, I find that white folks will often feel attacked if a black person
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:35.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or a brown person
00:48:35.690 --> 00:48:38.289 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: ask a question,
00:48:38.300 --> 00:48:39.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:51.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and if we do it in the ways in which we normally communicate, particularly when we communicate with one another. So often people will say that angry black woman,
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:54.629 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know I talk, and I'm very expressive.
00:48:55.010 --> 00:49:02.509 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Most of the time I talk. I think I talk with a smile on my face. But then there are times when i'm talking about something that
00:49:02.550 --> 00:49:08.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I really feel passionate about, and and it doesn't call for a smile.
00:49:08.900 --> 00:49:17.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It doesn't mean that i'm necessarily angry. I might say it in a way that's passion, or in a in a
00:49:18.160 --> 00:49:22.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but firm way, and part of that is cultural.
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:41.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I have found that in my experience with white people, sometimes white people will say, Well, why are you angry? And not just necessarily to me? I've heard this over and over with many black women in particular, expressing this?
00:49:41.500 --> 00:49:54.459 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, why are you angry? Or even if we're sitting with our resting face in a meeting, and folks will say that so, one of the things that I would invite you, and
00:49:54.880 --> 00:50:02.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know just other listeners when you're going into that place. And I appreciate you saying that you're doing the self-examination.
00:50:03.330 --> 00:50:06.359 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Think about. What is this me
00:50:07.220 --> 00:50:15.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or you know? Am I taking it to personally what this person is saying? And do they present differently
00:50:15.580 --> 00:50:19.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As a culture, for instance,
00:50:19.780 --> 00:50:32.209 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know my daughter said something to me interestingly. Ah! The other day she goes to an Hbc. Historically Black College and University. She She was saying something that this professor said to me, and she said,
00:50:32.220 --> 00:50:38.589 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know she got on my case in that black Mama sort of way, or that black woman sort of way
00:50:38.690 --> 00:50:39.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right?
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:49.309 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because for us, even if we're not related to you, there's a way that we may speak particularly to our own. You know culture
00:50:49.320 --> 00:51:04.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: people within our culture. We're speaking to you in this loving sort of directive way, and it's not based on anger, and we may not be smiling when we say it, but we're serious about the thing that we're saying,
00:51:04.330 --> 00:51:06.339 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we don't take it personally.
00:51:06.490 --> 00:51:19.789 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're not threatened by it. Um, It's just like when people see a black man, and they're suddenly threatened, you know, especially if he raises his voice, and I can tell the difference between somebody I need to be afraid of, and somebody not
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:30.299 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right. So I just want to invite you, since you you ask if maybe I had an opinion about it, you and our Lesters to really kind of think about
00:51:31.310 --> 00:51:33.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what? What? What did they mean by that?
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.829 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And yes, maybe sometimes that people aren't angry.
00:51:36.930 --> 00:51:39.319 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is the anger justify?
00:51:39.670 --> 00:51:41.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: All right, so
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.889 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I appreciate that you keep
00:51:46.270 --> 00:52:02.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: going through, despite what the challenges might be to it. And I guess i'm wondering in our remaining time that we have here. What words of advice would you give to people who are trying to bring
00:52:02.390 --> 00:52:13.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: themselves in alignment with their higher self, with this innate wisdom, and doing the work of dismantling racism. What would you? What would you offer them to keep going?
00:52:14.140 --> 00:52:17.109 Martha Hines: Hmm. Um.
00:52:19.060 --> 00:52:26.380 Martha Hines: Well again coming to me. Is this the words. It's okay to be wrong. It's okay to relax into
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:30.560 Martha Hines: change. It's okay to not know.
00:52:30.570 --> 00:52:43.760 Martha Hines: You know It's. Ah, everything that you are feeling is fine, and you are held. We are health. We are going through a massive time of change on this planet hopefully,
00:52:43.770 --> 00:52:51.079 Martha Hines: and part of that is uncomfortable, and I do feel uncomfortable around it a lot of the time myself, and we all do
00:52:51.130 --> 00:53:03.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: um, and it's all it's like being bured, you know. It's like going to the earth. Now, it's not necessarily always fun. But um yeah,
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:21.609 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know what's interesting, Martha. I was thinking as you were talking. We all have our work to do. We'll often hear the phrase Well, it's not. It's white People's work to do, but we all have something to do. So, while we, as people of color have been carrying this burden
00:53:21.620 --> 00:53:26.019 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for years. The work that we have to do is around.
00:53:26.060 --> 00:53:32.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How do we engage in the conversation with people who want to know
00:53:32.490 --> 00:53:34.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how to do better.
00:53:34.430 --> 00:53:45.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How do we begin to reconcile our relationship? So there! There's work for all of us to do. And as you talk about this going within
00:53:45.930 --> 00:53:49.329 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and recognizing. We all can be wrong,
00:53:49.630 --> 00:53:52.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because I can make assumptions
00:53:52.100 --> 00:54:10.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about white people. That may not be true, or it may not be true for that individual. So I think you're inviting us into this place. And of course I define that place as our sacred intelligence, of course. But you're inviting us into this place of where we're checking in
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.289 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with our true selves,
00:54:13.300 --> 00:54:31.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: which is more than the color of our skin, which is more than how we identify in terms of gender or socio-economic status, or even whether we're a mom or not a mom, you're asking us to go to that deep place of wisdom,
00:54:31.490 --> 00:54:37.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: love, and life. And you're also saying that their spirit guides to help us
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:38.799 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right.
00:54:38.820 --> 00:54:48.429 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: People can't get with the terminology of spirit guides get with whatever resonates with you, to know that you are
00:54:48.700 --> 00:54:50.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: created for something more
00:54:50.670 --> 00:54:53.309 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right. We are created to work
00:54:53.410 --> 00:54:55.129 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in this world together.
00:54:55.140 --> 00:54:57.449 Martha Hines: Well, another thing coming up for me that's
00:54:57.910 --> 00:55:06.489 Martha Hines: important in the work that I do and is related to that trauma-informed background that I have that you mentioned in my bio
00:55:06.660 --> 00:55:09.390 Martha Hines: you're talking, I'm realizing, of course, the
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:17.490 Martha Hines: we all have work to do, and we all have a collective trauma state that we are in as a world. It's just the truth.
00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:19.089 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah, that's who we are.
00:55:19.100 --> 00:55:35.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's right. How we grew up. Whether or not we were directly traumatized, we absolutely are all surrounded by chronic trauma reality. Right? So I think, like i'm thinking of just again myself or any of us. When these
00:55:35.410 --> 00:56:05.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: interactions happen, they're hitting layers of this trauma, and we're reacting a lot of the time from that trauma place. So I guess I would just say again, coming back into that ourselves of the divine, or God, or whatever it is. One way we can release from that trauma state. I love that I love that that You're reminding us of that. And certainly over the last few years that trauma state has been height. Well, Martha, we are at the end of our show, so please tell our guests
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:07.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how can they get in touch with you?
00:56:07.620 --> 00:56:19.989 Martha Hines: My website is living the one light com. My email is living the one night at Gmail Com and my website. I mean my Youtube Channel is living the one like There's the theme
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:44.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that living in one light we can buy here. Well, beloved, we are at the end of our show. I want to thank you so much for being with us today, and I want to invite you to go inwards and find your divine power to help heal the world. Stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam Lee, with where he helps you to walk your life with the greatest of these enjoy.
00:56:44.690 --> 00:56:50.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you so much to my guests today. Martha Hines, for being with us.
00:56:50.570 --> 00:57:06.919 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: May today you tap into that sacred and divine part of yourself that allows you to make choices that manifest your good and the good of others. Be well. Be safe. Be encouraged until next time, bye, for now.
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