WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
The audience will learn who Jenny Swanson is and how they can reach out to her for support. Since she provides individual and group therapy she has also developed a series of workshops that viewers can participate in.
Jenny Swanson, LICSW is the 4th member of the Swanson family to appear on Frank About Health to provide the insight and opportunity for living your best life. Jenny brings to this episode her experience working as a Social Worker and her experience with Equine Therapy. Jenny has extensive experience in working with equestrians to implement evidence-based interventions that result in a change to help riders cope with various difficult emotions In and out of the show ring.
With her educational background and her thriving practice, she has provided effective psychotherapy interventions to understand, identify and implement riding success.
Jenny also is working with children and families who have suffered from trauma and other mental health challenges. Her work with horses has become a therapeutic modality for those children.
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Today, Frank brings guest Jenny Swanson to the show along with returning Co-Host Phyllis Quinlan. Frank talks about how he first met Jenny, and then he introduces her. Jenny then talks about her story. She works with patients ranging from 5 years old to 75. She started her private practice in January 2021, when she was still working in Massachusetts to get her license as an independent clinical social worker, so she moved down to Florida. In highschool, after taking physiology and economics, she decided to pursue physiology. Jenny then talks about how she rides horses herself competitively. She then talks about the characteristics of a great competitor. After having PTSD from an accident, Jenny went to see a sports psychologist, and as she overcame her obstacles she realized there needs to be more medical professionals in the field. Phyllis then asks what made her overcome her fear, and Jenny explains how it was her anxiety. Phyllis then talks about her understanding of anxiety.
Frank asks what mental illnesses Jenny has dealt with some of her clients. Jenny says she sees a large range of mental health needs and issues. Her main specialty is trauma. Jenny then talks about how some of her work is also performance based. She then shares some of her techniques she employs to help get her patients to that next level. She also tells people how she encourages people to take breaks with their sport if needed. She and Phyllis then talk about helicopter parents. Frank then asks Jenny what led her to get a PhD.
Jenny again talks about the types of clients she has. She then talks about the pressures that sports can bring on, and the courage and grit you need to be able to step back and work on these traumas. Jen then talks about how she helps people find their joy again, and how it is very individualized. She then talks about a story from when she was 7 years old.
Jenny then shares her website and her Instagram before talking about how social media has been a catalyst for being able to provide people with advice and educational things. Jenny then talks about how she hopes physiology and therapy becomes normalized. She then shared how she is an advocate for dogs and animals and how they can really help people cope. Phyllis then expresses how thankful she is for Jen and people like her and what they do. The three then sign off from the show.
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00:00:51.310 --> 00:01:13.590 Frank R. Harrison: Hello, everyone, and welcome to New Minnesota, Frank, about health today, and I am pleased to finally have the fourth member of the Swanson family join us on today's episode. Jenny Swanson, as you all recall, we've gone over this several times. Danielle Swanson started last year with me and then her father, James Swanson, had been on several episodes with me and my co-host, Philly,
00:01:13.600 --> 00:01:25.700 Frank R. Harrison: and finally we had the opportunity to learn a lot about the therapy and the practice, and understand a lot about where horses get involved in this episode,
00:01:25.710 --> 00:01:40.739 Frank R. Harrison: looking at equestrian therapy, but more on a bigger scale, and that being said, I think the title we just agreed upon. Would you like to say a Phyllis? Just so that we can make everyone know for sure. And during the hour what our focus of this episode is going to be.
00:01:40.790 --> 00:02:00.370 Phyllis Quinlan: So we're actually going to deviate away from equestrian therapy and talk more about what Jen is giving her academic life to right now, which is understanding, sports, performance, and some of the intricacies and the psychology behind the mental health of athletes.
00:02:00.450 --> 00:02:16.589 Frank R. Harrison: Exactly exactly. And then I think one of the unique elements of that. As you know, we a lot of people are undergo therapy with social workers or psychologists or psychiatrists depending on the disorder. But in Jenny Swanson's case they are predominantly.
00:02:16.600 --> 00:02:30.129 Frank R. Harrison: Course writer is equestrians, and I guess of all age groups Um that being said Jenny. Um again. First of all, welcome to this episode of Frank about health. But what is your age? Group of your clients? Is it from as young as five who is,
00:02:30.610 --> 00:02:32.749 Frank R. Harrison: I mean, can you give me the age range?
00:02:32.760 --> 00:02:48.489 Jenny Swanson: Yeah, Absolutely. So Typically, I work with questions that you know people that write courses. But you typically can't start writing a horse until about five years old. So I work with riders from age five to up to seventy five. So It's a wide range.
00:02:48.500 --> 00:03:02.429 Frank R. Harrison: Very nice, very nice. What have you found, especially during the pandemic, to be a challenge for you in your practice? Or were you able to work during the pandemic in helping equestrian clients of yours.
00:03:02.590 --> 00:03:32.349 Jenny Swanson: So I didn't start my fiber practice until January two thousand and twenty-one, so I was still at the time, in two thousand and twenty-one, and i'm getting my independent license from Massachusetts for as a license, so working in my house, doing that, And so when I started that practice, I um moved down to Florida, where there is a big problem competition down there. Um! And things by that point had kind of gone back to normal a little bit, so we were able to meet in person somewhat. We still have a
00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:37.529 Jenny Swanson: of course. Um, and so we were able to kind of finagle it that way a little bit
00:03:37.950 --> 00:03:57.029 Frank R. Harrison: awesome. Ah! Did you always know, even prior to two thousand and twenty one, that the mental health feel was your chosen profession. What was your big impetus that got you focused in not only getting training and academic preparation, but, of course, opening up a practice for the mental health issues.
00:03:57.040 --> 00:04:10.350 Jenny Swanson: Yeah, I remember in high school my senior taking psychology and economics, and I remember thinking i'm either going to get a job with my dad or go into my colleague because I kind of like psychology, and I got my first D. And
00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:29.739 Jenny Swanson: I in psychology, and I just kind of kept pursuing that forces. I took undergraduate getting my undergraduate to Gary, master in psychology and minor to child medicine studies. So I kind of kept taking the classes that I liked, and they kept me in, You know, child, adolescent psychology.
00:04:29.750 --> 00:04:38.089 Jenny Swanson: And then I took two years off to compete in horseback riding, and because i'm a competitive equestrian myself, and then went on to get my masters on clinical social.
00:04:38.100 --> 00:04:41.189 Phyllis Quinlan: So you ride yourself competitively right. Jen.
00:04:41.200 --> 00:04:56.769 Jenny Swanson: Yes, that's amazing. So I You know I I am not athletic. Um! I i'm totally cerebral. I I can't walk in chew gum. So i'm so envious of anybody who is athletic in any capacity, let alone on the competitive level.
00:04:56.780 --> 00:05:01.980 Phyllis Quinlan: So the question I have for you is, what are the characteristics of a great competitor.
00:05:02.380 --> 00:05:05.639 Jenny Swanson: I definitely think a great competitor comes
00:05:06.030 --> 00:05:09.189 Jenny Swanson: from a place of discipline and
00:05:09.620 --> 00:05:27.770 Jenny Swanson: that strong work ethic, but also that competitive piece to where you want to challenge yourself, and put yourself into almost anxiety, producing situations that other people might not not very well do like getting on a horse and running at high speeds towards stationary
00:05:28.740 --> 00:05:34.400 Jenny Swanson: putting high speeds towards stationary objects. Well, there you go,
00:05:34.530 --> 00:05:39.290 Phyllis Quinlan: I mean. I can relate to the adrenaline Junkie in you. I think that's what i'm hearing,
00:05:39.300 --> 00:06:03.529 Phyllis Quinlan: you know being Ah, you know someone who practiced emergency nursing, you know. Love, love the good trauma that comes through the door. Kind of thing. God help me! Um! But um! And and that's kind of like running towards a stationary object, I promise you. Um. But you know I can. I can understand the competitive side. You've made a decision to
00:06:03.540 --> 00:06:20.079 Phyllis Quinlan: take your athletic capability to the highest level that's possible for you. What made you decide that you wanted to work with others. Did you see something that might be less than mental health producing? You had an answer or a technique and approach for that?
00:06:20.090 --> 00:06:35.390 Jenny Swanson: Yeah, I did. When I was sixteen I fell off. I was competing in Florida, so I broke my back. So that was my first introduction to a major injury, and as I was rehabbing, you know, I got back on my horse three months later, which was not
00:06:35.400 --> 00:06:42.749 Jenny Swanson: that soon after, and I kept writing and competing, and then a few months to almost a year later, I
00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:54.970 Jenny Swanson: I couldn't get her over a jump. Essentially what that means is, I had such a big mental block that the height of the jumper to have something before I could barely get around something like low on the ground.
00:06:54.980 --> 00:07:16.829 Jenny Swanson: I had such terror, and almost ptsd from my accident. So I started seeing my own sports psychologist, and as I grew into the sport and over to my own obstacles I realized there needed to be more mental professionals in the field, and ones that competed like me. Do you know that kind of knew the ling, though a little bit. So I definitely saw me there.
00:07:17.390 --> 00:07:29.959 Phyllis Quinlan: It seems as though it's basically that you were basically taking your interest in psychology. And at the same time your love of writing horses, and after your injury you now found the medical need
00:07:29.970 --> 00:07:39.290 Frank R. Harrison: for equestrian therapy, or at the same time helping people who are already thriving on that anxiety to continue the beating
00:07:39.410 --> 00:07:52.660 Frank R. Harrison: work with it, to keep it in their training. So it's like treatment for those that are suffering from Ptsd or other traumas, while at the same time maintaining the level of appropriate anxiety to maintain the level of competition.
00:07:53.380 --> 00:07:54.690 Yeah, thank you.
00:07:54.700 --> 00:08:04.399 Phyllis Quinlan: That's a dichotomy, You know, without getting too much into your personal health information. What was the one thing you had to overcome to get back over those jumps?
00:08:05.260 --> 00:08:35.130 Jenny Swanson: It was definitely my anxiety for sure. You know I didn't get diagnosed with anxiety until later in my life. Money and I didn't start medication until then myself. So I think, you know, looking back on my adolescence, you know, I think we all have kind of light bulb moments of like. Oh, yeah, that was kind of off. But no, maybe that was something there. Um! And I always like to even share that with my clients, too. You know that I am on medication myself, because it is something that we share. We have a common, and we struggle with about
00:08:35.380 --> 00:08:41.190 Jenny Swanson: mental health issues, and sometimes it has to get a little bit worse before it gets better,
00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:57.249 Jenny Swanson: you know. I think it was something I jugged along with for so long. Um! And then, when it kind of bit me in the bottle a little bit, and I I couldn't overcome her or deal with it myself. Um, I I need to reach out and seek that support, and I saw,
00:08:57.260 --> 00:09:04.789 Jenny Swanson: you know, a sport psychologist that is now a good mentor of mine that has definitely helped a guided me as I've started my own practice.
00:09:04.800 --> 00:09:17.130 Phyllis Quinlan: You know I have a a bit of an understanding around fear and anxiety. Certainly not at the level of your academic preparation. But
00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.429 Phyllis Quinlan: my understanding of fear, is It's something you can name,
00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:48.610 Phyllis Quinlan: You know I have a fear of horses. I have a fear of heights. I have a fear of fire. You can name it. My understanding of anxiety is somewhat more of a free-flowing terror that you know it's it's it's a sensation that's almost nameless it's kind of like that cloud that's there that you're trying to get through. Is that what it was? Was it more anticipatory? I don't know what's going to happen. I I can't name it. It's just it's it's in front of me, holding me back
00:09:48.620 --> 00:10:01.240 Phyllis Quinlan: as opposed to. I have an actual fear of falling again. I have an actual fear of getting a career-threatening injury, I mean. Certainly a broken back is nothing to sneeze at that is a
00:10:01.250 --> 00:10:09.680 Phyllis Quinlan: severe injury. And thankfully you're back to being able to ride again. Help me understand? Anxiety?
00:10:09.690 --> 00:10:28.299 Jenny Swanson: Yeah, absolutely. I think it's a little bit of both of what you were you were noting to, and especially when I talk to different riders, or any any client that comes to see me, any mental health. Me and I like to distinguish the difference between anxiety and nervousness, especially as competitors, You know, in a situation
00:10:28.310 --> 00:10:55.999 Jenny Swanson: that is a competition, and there's high states involved. You're more likely to feel nervous, right that makes sense understandable with the anxiety like, you know. And there's kind of this overwhelming, pending sense of zoom, and you can rationalize that you shouldn't feel that way. You know you're safe. You know the things around you. The situation is somewhat predictable, but this feeling kind of isn't going away, and that's that noted difference between anxiety and nervousness
00:10:56.010 --> 00:11:02.790 Jenny Swanson: in athletes and performers. You're essentially tricking your mind into thinking that
00:11:02.800 --> 00:11:32.299 Jenny Swanson: it's safe. And it's okay, because you know, not just equestrian sports. But when you think about swimmers, or you know runners, or you know people pushing the physical limits of themselves. Of course your brain is going to know that kind of response to tell you. Okay, Are we checking in? Are we good like it seems so dangerous? Right? Are we anxiety? Come in, and you kind of have to rationalize yourself like we're We're doing this for funds. So have a buck down and get it done. So that real
00:11:32.310 --> 00:11:36.149 between anxiety and nervousness is definitely something I like to note to.
00:11:36.280 --> 00:11:41.270 Frank R. Harrison: So, Jenny, on that note have you ever seen since you've been building your practice
00:11:41.280 --> 00:11:56.319 Frank R. Harrison: clients or or patients come to you with anxiety issues that Don't necessarily ride or are not actually there. But you tell them in part of your treatment modality to start writing to help them. Do you have patients like that, or science like that?
00:11:56.330 --> 00:12:13.409 Jenny Swanson: I don't know. Most of the people that I work with my private practice have already started riding, and sometimes when they come to me they want help in the athletic realm in the sport performance realm. And then, when we take a few layers back, or we're in session, and we're talking about it. We
00:12:13.570 --> 00:12:22.799 Jenny Swanson: notice it's other things that are causing that disruption in sport, and we need to kind of talk about the family and the friends and kind of other things that are causing issues in this world.
00:12:22.810 --> 00:12:35.619 Phyllis Quinlan: Okay, Well, two minutes to break. But we want to break down all the various mental health issues that you've had a chance to work with in your practices and really show difference between the type of
00:12:35.630 --> 00:12:45.600 Frank R. Harrison: practice you have versus other types of clinical social workers or psychologists, but also I forgot to add our disclaimer. Remember everyone out there.
00:12:45.610 --> 00:13:13.160 Frank R. Harrison: The purpose of this episode of Frank about health is not to lead you or contradict the current treatment modalities that you are using not to dissuade you for continuing the medications that you need. We are here to have a very open, honest, and healthy, welcoming conversation, but the expertise of Danielle Swanson, of course, the questions that we will derive from you out there on Youtube, as well as Phyllis, from the medical professional side
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00:15:43.590 --> 00:16:07.880 Frank R. Harrison: welcome back. We're here with Jenny Swanson and Phyllis grenlin as we're talking about sports performance therapy and predominantly during this conversation. We're talking about equestrians now in terms of the mental health disorders you mentioned trauma you mentioned. Ptsd Do you have a specific. I wouldn't. I don't know if you call it a bucket list, or at least a specialty in specific
00:16:07.890 --> 00:16:12.490 Frank R. Harrison: mental duress or mental illnesses that you have dealt with with your clients.
00:16:12.650 --> 00:16:32.490 Jenny Swanson: Yeah. So I was the first graduating class of Simmons when I got my masters in two thousand and eighteen, to also have a specialty in trauma, so I, my top, my specialty, and where I have my extra hours and practices and trauma practice, and that can range, You know I always like to define trauma. It really is anything that
00:16:32.500 --> 00:16:49.979 Jenny Swanson: has happened to you that's unexpected, and that causes either like a physical or psychological change. So you and I could drive by the same car accident, and you could go home and be okay. And I could go home and have nine years for a week. Um! And it really had triggered something in inside of me. So
00:16:50.000 --> 00:17:05.440 Jenny Swanson: when I talk with different clients and my special day being trauma, I still see a wide range of other mental health needs and issues. You know, I don't necessarily turn anyone away, but there are definitely more mental health
00:17:05.450 --> 00:17:20.199 Jenny Swanson: issues. I'm a little bit more comfortable with. I have more experience, but in terms of more ones, that you see more normally in terms of anxiety or depression. Um and things like that where some of the psychosis um diagnosis, you see a little bit less. But I would say my
00:17:20.579 --> 00:17:21.890 so there,
00:17:21.900 --> 00:17:29.840 Frank R. Harrison: and and anxiety and and depression are symptoms of that trauma rather than actual core issues that you're treating directly
00:17:30.670 --> 00:17:31.990 Jenny Swanson: a little bit of both
00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:37.240 Jenny Swanson: Right? So yes, they can be symptoms, but also they can kind of be their own entity, too,
00:17:38.150 --> 00:17:40.160 Frank R. Harrison: I see.
00:17:41.350 --> 00:17:57.140 Phyllis Quinlan: Oh, Phyllis, did you have? I did um So I I think i'm, hearing that you You have two focuses, certainly the mental health piece in overcoming trauma or anxiety issues that you yourself
00:17:57.390 --> 00:18:08.360 Phyllis Quinlan: that went through and navigated successfully. But when we talk about the performance piece of an athlete. Are we talking more about what motivates them?
00:18:08.370 --> 00:18:24.740 Phyllis Quinlan: You know what what creates a winner Mentality, you know. Are you working with those kind of mindsets, as well to enhance confidence and confidence in the athlete themselves that they are indeed winning, and therefore they compete.
00:18:25.610 --> 00:18:43.960 Jenny Swanson: Yes, definitely, I would say some of my work is performance based, So they want to get to the national final. They want to win a championship things like that. So they definitely want to improve their performance, and that's definitely a huge piece of it. Sometimes I like what I said before. When you first meet with someone.
00:18:44.270 --> 00:18:57.960 Jenny Swanson: Normally, there's been things that have been going on for a long time. Sometimes people kind of come and want to get a head start and figure out. You know how to get those mental skills in place, but sometimes they do come to me and things haven't been going well for a while, and there's
00:18:57.970 --> 00:19:17.320 Jenny Swanson: that we kind of need to address, whether it's a traumatic fall, um, or you know, or something, the horse, you know they're an animal, too, so horses can unfortunately die. Your partner pass away um things like that so definitely. It depends a little bit on the individual, but you can see a wide range of stuff for sure.
00:19:17.330 --> 00:19:29.790 Phyllis Quinlan: So if someone's actually not necessarily struggling with anxiety and things of that nature, but they just want to increase that competitive edge. What are some of the techniques that you employ to get them to that next level?
00:19:30.190 --> 00:19:35.089 Jenny Swanson: I definitely love to start off with goal setting. I think goal setting can be a great
00:19:35.100 --> 00:20:02.719 Jenny Swanson: avenue to figure out what those goals are. But that outcome goal is that you want to achieve, and then you break it down into what's called process. Right? How are you going to achieve it? You want to win that championship? Okay, What do you need to do to do that it's not just results based. It's, then, those techniques and skills that we need to write down and then come up with a list right? It can be such well setting to be such intricate work in terms of making sure you're practicing those skills each and every day,
00:20:02.840 --> 00:20:09.380 Jenny Swanson: and then in that can also be imagery, or working on self-talk
00:20:09.390 --> 00:20:23.079 Jenny Swanson: or um relaxation skills when that anxiety level gets a little bit high So you know, I think the list of mental skills are is incredibly long. Those are a few that I um I use pretty regularly.
00:20:23.090 --> 00:20:53.080 Phyllis Quinlan: Do you ever encourage them to um? I I guess I want to use the term cross-train. But I don't know if that's um exactly what i'm asking you so you know all of your clients or equestrians do you add to you say, Okay, it's time to take a two week hiatus from that and go swim or start jogging, or maybe a little weight training or things of that nature, do you? Do you ask them to mix it up as as a way of keeping themselves fit, but getting their minds at what
00:20:53.090 --> 00:20:55.000 you need it maybe healthy. Break the
00:20:55.170 --> 00:21:08.120 Jenny Swanson: I encourage it for sure. You know I definitely can't say I've looked at a client and said, you need to come in vacation for two weeks
00:21:08.130 --> 00:21:26.030 Jenny Swanson: what is called a healthy athletic identity. Right? So you know, for any athlete whether it's an Nfl player or works backfire, or if your weight in everything you do, every minute of every day is based on that sport. Then, when the outcome of that sport, whether you get hurt or you lose a game.
00:21:26.150 --> 00:21:40.400 Jenny Swanson: It rooms the rest of your day, your week, your month right? It can be so so tragic, and when you have other things right to look forward to or to put your energy towards It's gonna have that defeat, or those mistakes, those errors and setbacks being less
00:21:40.410 --> 00:22:10.049 Jenny Swanson: overwhelming. And fortunately we know as humans, we're in perfect. So those mistakes in the setup guys are gonna come. So it's a little bit of understanding that that healthy, robust, athletic identity of being able to put your time and energy into things outside of your sport is going to help you become a better athlete, and not because taking time away is helpful strength. Training. I always encourage, like you, said I love strength, training. I do it myself. I love power, and that's helped my riding so much. So I I
00:22:10.060 --> 00:22:16.400 Jenny Swanson: that personal aspect with my clients, and encourage them to get to the gym, or find another sport that they can dabble in.
00:22:16.710 --> 00:22:24.300 Phyllis Quinlan: So are you struggling just a little bit with parental oversight? Do you find
00:22:24.570 --> 00:22:29.230 Phyllis Quinlan: parents have their own way of maybe wanting to coach their child athlete.
00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:38.990 Phyllis Quinlan: It's not necessarily. It doesn't necessarily comport with best practice. You know we've all heard stories of, you know
00:22:39.170 --> 00:23:06.320 Phyllis Quinlan: tennis dads, or you know parents that are, you know. I guess helicopter parents. They're hovering. They're they're They're pushing. They, they, you know, almost living vicariously through their children is that an exaggeration of what actually is going on. Or do you think that actually does happen? And that's part of the challenge of what your practice has to work with.
00:23:06.970 --> 00:23:10.970 Jenny Swanson: I think it's a little bit two-fold, you know. I I can see,
00:23:11.180 --> 00:23:37.270 Jenny Swanson: and in my own experience to working with with children kids under eighteen, having that parent aspect, having, you know what we call helicopter parents, and then being overbearing or having unrealistic expectations, one in the child, to put the Olympics in there so far from that right? Um! That's definitely an aspect of it. But what you know especially because i'm a therapist. I like to come from it with the point of that you write, and understanding that
00:23:37.350 --> 00:23:47.870 Jenny Swanson: the parent but the parent wants for the child, and nine times out of ten it's always what they want is the best for their child, and sometimes you can get into some tricky mental health
00:23:48.280 --> 00:24:02.539 Jenny Swanson: projection. I like to call it, of a parents living through by cares to their child, and an opportunity that they didn't get to do that they wish they could, and forcing dreams and goals on a child. Yes, for sure that definitely happens. Um! But from
00:24:02.550 --> 00:24:22.360 Jenny Swanson: how I look at it, or I guess what treat it is just a place of conversation, right and kind of going back to things inside our outside of our control, and and not not trying to let that become such an overbearing for bearing aspects. But it can be tricky, especially in you work with kids under eighteen, and they tell you something.
00:24:22.370 --> 00:24:32.009 Jenny Swanson: Conversation with the parents and their parents did something different that can be definitely hard. But when you work with the individual you can help to guide them and what they're
00:24:32.450 --> 00:24:51.740 Jenny Swanson: what is in their control to help them manage those things. So every now and then you're orchestrating, I guess, for lack of a better term, a therapeutic triangle where you're at one point the parents on another point, The child is at another point, and we're trying to find middle ground where everybody create that win-win, or at least create that conversation
00:24:51.750 --> 00:25:03.630 Phyllis Quinlan: where maybe, for reasons of I don't want to disappoint or I don't have psychological safety around. I don't want to do this anymore. You have to facilitate that. Can you speak to that a bit
00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.249 Jenny Swanson: absolutely, And that that triangle like you said, can even be
00:25:07.290 --> 00:25:27.820 Jenny Swanson: with a professional to with the coach right? So the coach might have an aspect, and I guess, outlook on what they think the athlete, the child, can do what the child they themselves and they can do. And then what the parent wants, and then me, as you know, the sport of Herman's consultant or therapist in the room, kind of what I see as well,
00:25:27.850 --> 00:25:54.089 Jenny Swanson: and that can be really tricky from my role. My perspective. There's only so much I can share right because of confidentiality and hipaa. So I would never break that, but at the same time to mediating those conversations, so everyone can see Each point of view is helpful, but as it's, it's, it's it'll be frustrating, because I can see what's fine and a little bit. So that's definitely hard for sure, one of the
00:25:54.600 --> 00:25:55.090 the
00:25:55.100 --> 00:25:55.590 Phyllis Quinlan: we.
00:25:55.600 --> 00:25:57.720 Phyllis Quinlan: So the else that you see in your practice?
00:25:57.730 --> 00:26:17.790 Frank R. Harrison: Are they predominantly the parents of the children, you see? Or do they also have their own training or mental health issues that are focused on just that. I mean, there's obviously not going to be that much rental oversight for someone in their fortys or fiftys. So i'm trying to understand exactly what percentage of your adult patients are predominantly the parents of your children patients,
00:26:17.800 --> 00:26:20.880 Frank R. Harrison: or are they individual patients themselves?
00:26:20.970 --> 00:26:40.340 Jenny Swanson: So I like to look at the majority of my clients are adults. I have a certain percentage of children, and I don't look at the children's parents as clients Right? That's more like collateral contact, and then they have a develop clients, right? So those are just over eighteen. Um! So that would be like the differentiating piece. There,
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:56.889 Jenny Swanson: I see it. It sounds like to me. You're both a social worker, and of course, using therapeutic procedures to help people who have trauma-based anxiety and other kinds of issues we discussed. But you are also like like a like a sports trainer, I guess.
00:26:56.900 --> 00:26:58.510 Frank R. Harrison: Yeah, very interesting.
00:26:58.520 --> 00:27:08.469 Jenny Swanson: Yeah. But what what led you to decide to now? Really go after the Ph. D. In this field, and really do your own research and possible publishing of your of your study.
00:27:08.870 --> 00:27:17.989 Jenny Swanson: I always dreamed of having a Phd. Um. I've always wanted a doctorate degree. I just wanted to be called Dr. J. I think that's a
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:28.810 Jenny Swanson: um. But besides that, I I never, and I always, when people have to ask me for career advice, or you know kids in college wondering they want to do this I called you about. I always tell them
00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:45.400 Jenny Swanson: from my perspective. I just calculate classes and saying yes to things I wanted to do, and I enjoyed. And when I had an experience that I didn't like um. I remember particularly having this one internship that I did not like um working with the population that just wasn't my niche,
00:27:45.410 --> 00:27:59.369 Jenny Swanson: learning from that, and then just doing the opposite right. And so I just kind of kept saying Yes, and so I can't say that from a young age. I wanted to start my umbrella practice and work with equestrians. I never really thought that was my end goal, but
00:27:59.730 --> 00:28:20.590 Jenny Swanson: it kind of worked out that way, and when I saw that it felt right, I was like, Okay, let's let's do it. You know. Just kind of kept saying yes, or kept following what what I wanted to do, so it definitely at times was a little curious. I don't know what i'm gonna do with this, but it it is working out, and I love it. I love meeting the people that I do, and
00:28:20.600 --> 00:28:22.169 Jenny Swanson: my clients are amazing
00:28:22.630 --> 00:28:23.390 Frank R. Harrison: by some,
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:30.289 Phyllis Quinlan: do you? So you're not expanding to other other sports in the near future, or at some point? Or have you found your niche?
00:28:30.300 --> 00:28:45.090 Jenny Swanson: I definitely think I've found my niche? Um, I do think you know, especially when you're in school to become a courtroom and psychologist. They tell you you don't necessarily need that sport Experience, however, talking with athletes that play that's for you. You don't say your ability.
00:28:45.100 --> 00:28:56.589 Jenny Swanson: Yeah, They tell you otherwise. Right. You know they they do want to sit with one. Someone is that understands what they need when they say the one hundred butterfly meters stuff. I don't even know that's the thing right,
00:28:56.600 --> 00:29:04.460 Jenny Swanson: something like that, right? And so, and especially with horseback riding. It's incredibly intricate. So I do think that would be where I would say,
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00:31:38.200 --> 00:32:06.379 Frank R. Harrison: Um! We were just having a nice discussion about what motivated Jenny to pursue or advance education in ah sports for sports therapy, especially with the equestrians among other issues, but I think, like what we've been talking about over the past half hours. Um, you have a lot of the parents of children who work in the treatment of the mental health issues, and they are, I mean, the children are writers too right? Or is it the
00:32:06.390 --> 00:32:07.830 only the parents.
00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:10.210 Jenny Swanson: So
00:32:10.460 --> 00:32:12.260 Jenny Swanson: there the
00:32:12.330 --> 00:32:27.989 Jenny Swanson: kids under eighteen that I work with are my clients, and sometimes I will console, or my collateral work will be with their parent and incorporate their parent into the work that we're doing. And then I also have people over eighteen who are riders, and they might be parents themselves.
00:32:28.310 --> 00:32:38.159 Frank R. Harrison: Okay, all right. And so for those that are the children, do you find that you use a different type of model versus the adult
00:32:38.170 --> 00:32:50.029 Frank R. Harrison: with the parents where you are just trying to really engage the relationship with the horse as a means of bonding and creating and reducing the anxiety that they may be suffering from
00:32:50.550 --> 00:33:18.829 Frank R. Harrison: like the whole concept of a support animal. But in this case I know a horse is not a support animal like the way a a puppy is, or or even a a a small pet that you may have when you take with you on trips. But in this case the whole nature of the relationship between the child and the horse must be very inter dynamic, or you must have seen the the kind of bonding that happens that really helps them foster confidence in self esteem issues that probably they were not aware of.
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.740 Jenny Swanson: Yeah, and I think it can get a little bit
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:41.900 Jenny Swanson: intricate to when your teammate is the worst right? So it's sometimes the catalyst for causing that anxiety, but also can be the the result. Or you know that bonds that can kind of help deal with with that, too. So when we're back under
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:46.160 Jenny Swanson: communication that needs to happen right, it's, you know that
00:33:46.170 --> 00:34:04.520 Jenny Swanson: silent communication that you can't really see, and that can trigger, you know, normal anxiety or nervousness in a competition setting. But then accidents can happen, and things can happen with the course that would then cause apprehension or mixed emails. And then you and your team may have to figure out how you're going to be able to get
00:34:04.800 --> 00:34:18.939 Jenny Swanson: back to where you are, and perform better, or to where you want to be. And so it's hard to do that without words. So you need to find a way to to manage that that conversation. But I think overall when you compete with a horse, you definitely have
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:24.920 Jenny Swanson: that bond or connection that you know others don't have in any other sport. So I definitely think it's special.
00:34:25.650 --> 00:34:42.329 Phyllis Quinlan: And would you mind if I just switched gears just for a second? You know I know that a couple of really famous athletes have been in the news lately, and quite honestly. I think they've been extremely courageous in talking about the issue of mental health, because it is the thing we don't talk about.
00:34:42.340 --> 00:34:54.210 Phyllis Quinlan: And and you know i'm thinking of simone biles and Naomi Osaka Simone being a gymnast, and Naomi being a tennis player, and
00:34:54.219 --> 00:35:16.220 Phyllis Quinlan: you know, for their courage to come out, especially in in the face of social media, and all the pressure on them, and all the you know, the added sponsorship, and the money, and the fame, and all of that which i'm sure contributed to their decision. But could you just share with us what happens when you're at that peak at that level?
00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:21.679 Phyllis Quinlan: Athleticism? Because one of the things Simone has come out and shared, and in naomi a little bit
00:35:21.750 --> 00:35:35.590 Phyllis Quinlan: as well as that they found themselves starting to maybe rely on substances a little too much for relaxation, that it wasn't really the most appropriate coping skill, and they were both very concerned that they were going in a direction they didn't want to go,
00:35:35.600 --> 00:35:53.579 Phyllis Quinlan: you know, which, of course I think of Jennifer Caparati. She might be a little bit before your time, but she's a very famous tennis athlete, who was under tremendous pressure by her dad. It was all over the news, and then she wound up using heroin, and it was a career ending decision, as you can imagine, so
00:35:53.720 --> 00:36:05.830 Phyllis Quinlan: so thankful that Simone and Naomi were both able to say to identify that boundary for themselves, Can you speak a little bit about that pressure of being at the top of your game.
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.989 Frank R. Harrison: Yes, good question.
00:36:08.190 --> 00:36:19.500 Jenny Swanson: I think it's so much more normalized now for athletes to come out and say it like we've seen someone doing it, and she was breaking ground back in two thousand and twenty-one when she did pull out of
00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:41.550 Jenny Swanson: the olympics because of a mental health block, and being able to have those conversations, I think, is so important, because when we look at athletes prior to that, like your example, they go to extremes right or latch on to unhealthy hoping skills, and I think of mental toughness is not necessarily avoiding a versus adversity. But it's being able to
00:36:41.560 --> 00:36:54.109 Jenny Swanson: have the coping skills to deal with it, and if your coping skill is to take a step back from competition to be able to deal with what you're feeling, then that is having mental toughness and becoming stronger.
00:36:54.220 --> 00:37:13.339 Jenny Swanson: So I think the ability before this time. You know we're having this conversations. Now there's pushing out for more athletes to have more resources to those mental health needs right, not just bucking down and doing it, because that doesn't necessarily show mental toughness, right? That doesn't show your ability.
00:37:13.350 --> 00:37:22.190 Jenny Swanson: When you push through and push yourself to the breaking point. You suffer burnout right, and then you can't keep going, and that causes an end
00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:29.049 Jenny Swanson: so to be able to continue going on to live a life that you want to. That's fulfilling for you,
00:37:29.060 --> 00:37:46.720 Jenny Swanson: and you cope with it by taking a step back that is showing that strength. And I think we're being able to look at that narrative as strong athletes other than before. We are looking at it. All you got to do is put your head down and kind of keep pushing through, And what we see now is that just doesn't work.
00:37:46.730 --> 00:37:55.389 Phyllis Quinlan: So I think what I hear you describing is the difference between grit and extreme endurance. Can you kind of can you clarify that a little bit more for our listeners.
00:37:55.460 --> 00:37:57.309 Jenny Swanson: Yeah, I think
00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:26.810 Jenny Swanson: when you noted extreme endurance, I think that's putting your head down and pushing through it right. If someone went onto that floor at Tokyo. What she would have risk risk would have been greater than the outcome, even if she was able to do a mediocre right. That risk there was just too great. She could have seriously injured herself because that mental block was so strong. You would, I don't know if you saw the video of her in the practice room,
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.790 Jenny Swanson: just falling and falling over and over again. I did. Yes,
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:42.289 Jenny Swanson: and I thought that just spoke volumes, because, being able to notice that, and it's It's tricky, too, because there's a lie, because you don't want to necessarily avoid challenging situations. But if you
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:57.470 Jenny Swanson: half the grit no, nine times out of ten. You're the person that's going to fuck down and accept the challenge. But this situation doesn't feel right, then. That's not going to help you in the long run, and I think that's also where that met the whole stigma comes into play, because
00:38:57.970 --> 00:39:08.649 Jenny Swanson: only one person can tell that right from the outside. You can be like. Oh, she could have just walked down and do it. But really that was a safety issue, and someone should not have done it, and we know that wouldn't have been
00:39:08.660 --> 00:39:27.280 Jenny Swanson: extreme endurance, putting her head down and just pushing her. But she's the only one that kind of said that that that personal autonomy is is huge and respecting and trusting that athletes know what's best for themselves. I I can't remember what we call the gal's, name, but she was a gymnast like Simone, but she was maybe a generation behind her,
00:39:27.290 --> 00:39:36.350 Phyllis Quinlan: and she was performing, and she had broken her ankle, and she went on to continue to perform with the broken ankle,
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:47.550 Phyllis Quinlan: and she went ahead, and she meddled and the team won, and everybody kept saying, Wow! What team spirit. What commitment, what strains! And i'm thinking to myself, what price?
00:39:47.670 --> 00:39:58.019 Phyllis Quinlan: What makes somebody feel as though they have to perform at an Olympic level with a broken angle, and I just felt so
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:07.690 Phyllis Quinlan: concerned, I guess, is probably the best word for that particular athlete. Do you see that every now and then? And How do you encourage people to go of that need?
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:26.919 Jenny Swanson: I think that is such an individualized question, right? Because it comes back to that autonomy of being able to have that self-awareness of not only what your own athletic identity is like. We talked about before, but also what the boundaries you're going to push yourself towards, and do for yourself
00:40:26.930 --> 00:40:44.279 Jenny Swanson: um that i'm also blaming on her name. But she not only ended her career there because of that ankle injury, but couldn't even go back to even coaching and practicing gymnastics, which is too hard for her. So like you said, I think that is so cashed off in that end result, And
00:40:44.720 --> 00:40:46.069 Jenny Swanson: you know
00:40:46.250 --> 00:41:00.580 Jenny Swanson: a lot of what I talk with riders equestrians about or my clients. I always like to bring it back to their Why, you know, Why are you doing this? What's the point? What's the purpose? And I think that can be so helpful for each person, each and every day whether you're
00:41:00.590 --> 00:41:16.909 Jenny Swanson: and the question, i'm like you're just math in general. Your student, you know. You're working in an industry. Um, it doesn't really matter what you're doing. But you need to know why you're there, and what what motivates you. And I think that piece will help you to be able to set healthy boundaries, and have that
00:41:17.110 --> 00:41:27.590 Jenny Swanson: bandwidth to to cope with adversity and to practice your own because it is hard out there. You're going to have some tough experiences, but to be able to
00:41:27.710 --> 00:41:32.489 Jenny Swanson: come back from it. Set your boundaries. That's that's strength for sure. Yeah,
00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:38.250 Phyllis Quinlan: do you ever Are you ever working with equestrian said, Come to you and say,
00:41:38.540 --> 00:41:51.559 Jenny Swanson: i'm a lost I don't. I can't find the joy anymore. The mission, the purpose like what you're saying. Get back to your why, and there's a why. And then there's a joy.
00:41:51.570 --> 00:41:55.949 Jenny Swanson: You know. How do you help people either sustain or
00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:58.019 Phyllis Quinlan: find their joy again.
00:41:58.770 --> 00:42:18.580 Jenny Swanson: Part it's tricky, because it's definitely, you know, individualized. I can speak from for myself. I love to give this example of talking about your past self and your future self right. So if you were to think back to the athlete, I like to give the example of myself when I first started riding horses
00:42:18.590 --> 00:42:33.659 Jenny Swanson: right. What I would say to my and how I would take that advice from my future. So something I keep by with me every day is a picture. When I was seven years old, the opening Christmas presence, and I just have this
00:42:33.730 --> 00:42:52.590 Jenny Swanson: pocket of brushes. It was horse precious, but my face and I still remember the joy to this day of having my own set of horse brushes. I was ecstatic, and I have so great Well, now to have so much more than that, and to be able to go into a store and buy my own set of brushes or horsepants, or whatever it is. But
00:42:53.100 --> 00:43:01.990 Jenny Swanson: I go back to that little girl that was just so excited to have her own set of brushes, and she wanted to run into the barn and brush her horse, because I just love horses
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:09.989 Jenny Swanson: right, so that I think you have to probe and ask a little bit. But you need to do it a little bit self-reflection of your past self
00:43:10.580 --> 00:43:40.269 Phyllis Quinlan: before we go to our and our final break. I I just want to wrap up this segment by saying, I guess the key takeaways from the last Ah! Twelve or so minutes of this discussion is that for someone who's in a very competitive position like Simone files versus the one I i'm sorry I forgot her name. She had broken her ankle and pretty much ended Her career is they were not vocal, I mean. She was not vocal like the way Simone was. So it's a lot about not only setting that boundary and and understanding your intention,
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:56.959 Jenny Swanson: but also being open and and transparent, and communicating what your state of mind is. That's pretty much the difference that has helped bring it out into the forefront and bring more awareness to people in that field, correct, giving people space to do so,
00:43:57.260 --> 00:44:00.449 Phyllis Quinlan: permission to do so.
00:44:00.540 --> 00:44:25.970 Frank R. Harrison: Exactly. So that, all being said, stay tuned, and we're now going to learn when we return about various ways that you will get permission to go See, Jenny. If you are looking for someone that's going to help you with a sports, training, or or even your mental health issues where riding your horse will be able to help you. That being said, stay tuned right here on talk radio Nyc and on our Youtube chat.
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00:46:24.390 --> 00:46:36.580 Frank R. Harrison: everybody welcome back to this final segment of this episode of Frank about health. So Jenny is basically an expert that those equestrians out there should definitely consult with that, all being said
00:46:36.680 --> 00:46:42.090 Frank R. Harrison: where people can find you on your website or other social media platforms that you may have.
00:46:42.100 --> 00:46:58.729 Jenny Swanson: Yeah, you can check out my website. It's Jenny Swanson, J. E. And then why Sw. A. N. So n L. Icsw. So my license letters dot com, and then you can also check me on Instagram at Jenny in and my S. Under four L. Ics:
00:46:59.340 --> 00:47:23.169 Jenny Swanson: Okay. And then overall Um. What you've discovered since you started school. Have you been able to build your own organic uh community through Instagram? And have you done that to be a a real influencer base for you? Definitely, I definitely think social media is, then it's kind of not only myself getting the word out there at the services that I provide, but being able to provide people with
00:47:23.180 --> 00:47:35.589 Jenny Swanson: advice, or you know, snippets, educational information, things, and such. So i'm on trying to get on Facebook and tech talk as well. But as a millennial a little slow to the
00:47:35.600 --> 00:47:43.560 Jenny Swanson: Jenny. Could you just restate your Instagram again? Because I know that it's so very popular, Jenny? And then why s
00:47:43.570 --> 00:48:03.360 Jenny Swanson: underscore L. I. C. S. W. You got it? Okay, Good. So i'm going to be following you. Ah, shortly after this program. Um, just as an Fyi, I did a quick surge during the commercial break, and it's Kerry strug in the one thousand nine hundred and Ninety-six Olympics.
00:48:03.530 --> 00:48:20.610 Phyllis Quinlan: But what's interesting enough is Underneath Carrie's picture. And the Internet was this: Kerry Strug was a role model for the kind of sacrifice an athlete an athlete needs to be able to be willing to do for the sake of their country.
00:48:22.830 --> 00:48:24.379 Phyllis Quinlan: She was fifteen.
00:48:25.890 --> 00:48:27.479 Phyllis Quinlan: Yeah,
00:48:27.500 --> 00:48:40.689 Phyllis Quinlan: you know. She She bolted it, and she obviously was working with a broken ankle. And she, kate she came off her bolt. A gold gold gold medal, willing metal-winning bolt landed on one foot
00:48:40.700 --> 00:48:55.869 Phyllis Quinlan: because the other leg was broken, and it it just speaks to. Sometimes I think you know the work that you're doing. Jenny is so valuable, and the the courage that the Simones of this world and the Naomi's of this world,
00:48:55.910 --> 00:49:08.160 Phyllis Quinlan: the role modeling that they are showing it. It's so very, very powerful, and and what i'm taking away from this is that we're we're finally having the psychological safety to say, Okay,
00:49:08.540 --> 00:49:17.880 Phyllis Quinlan: no. Fifteen-year-old has to compete in athletics in an athletic form with a broken leg to prove that they love their country
00:49:18.410 --> 00:49:19.589 Phyllis Quinlan: over the top.
00:49:19.600 --> 00:49:22.210 Phyllis Quinlan: Okay, and um!
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:29.140 Phyllis Quinlan: There are so many questions that are running through my head about. Where are her parents at this time I can't even begin to articulate them.
00:49:29.210 --> 00:49:37.689 Phyllis Quinlan: The The piece is is that you're giving not only voice to a situation, mental health, and young people,
00:49:37.700 --> 00:49:41.369 Phyllis Quinlan: mental health and young athletes or athletes of any age.
00:49:41.380 --> 00:50:10.859 Phyllis Quinlan: You know you're offering a service, And what I think you're also saying is that there is there is a way to become healthier. You've talked about coping skills, You've talked about tools, and you know, as a nurse. I'm always doing education in and around chronic diseases, or in and around acute injuries, or in around anything, to get to a person to what we term optimal levels of wellness. And I think you and I have a kindred spirit in that way. But i'm really so
00:50:10.870 --> 00:50:18.419 Phyllis Quinlan: of you leaning in and offering this to so many around an issue that
00:50:18.820 --> 00:50:28.349 Phyllis Quinlan: that doesn't get enough focus because we are so athletic, hero oriented that the courage to be able to say,
00:50:28.410 --> 00:50:44.770 Phyllis Quinlan: Wait a minute. I need to step back or do something else. I don't see that, supported by society as evidenced by this ridiculous statement undercarriage drugs, you know. So you know, give us a sense of where the future is going?
00:50:44.780 --> 00:50:51.809 Phyllis Quinlan: And is there any crossover into other things that you can see your training and your gift applying to?
00:50:52.630 --> 00:50:55.000 I hope you know, and
00:50:55.250 --> 00:51:05.939 Jenny Swanson: all aspects of sport and performance psychology. It's become so much bigger, and especially at their annual conference. We see how it's grown each and every year, and that there's more and more sport
00:51:05.950 --> 00:51:34.560 Jenny Swanson: psychologies for just out there working. But I hope it comes to a place where it is normalized. You know where every team has a consultant or a therapist to chat with, and you know that you don't go to a or to do, and especially in athletes, right especially. I like to think of a huge football that myself. So especially for Nfl players. You know that big macho in
00:51:34.580 --> 00:51:39.379 Jenny Swanson: the stereotype getting rid of that, and so to be able to
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.060 Jenny Swanson: see that
00:51:41.170 --> 00:51:56.109 Jenny Swanson: seeking help and having therapy as a strength, will then strengthen. You know, athletes in general in the athletic community, because it then becomes that much stronger, it does not not assign a weakness, or or cause any any sort of
00:51:56.720 --> 00:52:12.160 Frank R. Harrison: yeah. Are there any other animals that You have known, besides horses that actually could have the same type of treatment support for various, I mean for people in various sports or championship industries,
00:52:12.820 --> 00:52:17.190 Jenny Swanson: not not to my knowledge. You know, I definitely
00:52:17.200 --> 00:52:26.100 Jenny Swanson: I don't think of dogs myself, especially in dogs, and just pet owners in general and mental health. The researchers out there. That shows
00:52:26.110 --> 00:52:47.150 Jenny Swanson: um how supportive animals can be in general, and it might be like the individual thing. I think it's nice, but someone might be there they're they're They're doing niche. But um animals in general, I think, have a a great energy to them, and it can be so so helpful in it. It is actually um national suicide awareness this month,
00:52:47.160 --> 00:53:00.770 Jenny Swanson: and people that own dogs. Um, there's the statistic out there that i'm linking on. But dogs can be such a strong reason for people to not go through with the suicide attempt, and I find that to be just so
00:53:01.210 --> 00:53:09.519 Jenny Swanson: form, because animals have have that power, and have that strength, and to be able to have that privilege of having an animal in your life is really special.
00:53:09.680 --> 00:53:16.689 Phyllis Quinlan: Well, you know our social beings by nature, and the worst coping skill or the worst coping mechanism we choose is isolation.
00:53:16.700 --> 00:53:20.850 Phyllis Quinlan: And I think you know, if if you ask anybody who is
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:42.700 Phyllis Quinlan: battling depression or or losing the a sense of joy and just living fully. It's a feeling of separation from everybody else that they can no longer engage in anything that's giving them that kind of joy. And unfortunately, the pain just gets to the point where they think that self-destruction is the only really from that pain.
00:53:42.710 --> 00:54:10.110 Phyllis Quinlan: I can only imagine that there are those athletes out there where so much pressure is put upon them that you know they they have these heating disorders or other things that can manifest as signs of needing help. And I again, I just cannot overstate how grateful I am for you to lend your therapeutic, compassionate nature to the body of, to the to the community of people really looking to
00:54:10.120 --> 00:54:22.890 Phyllis Quinlan: raise mental health, awareness, and and see it as part of a body, mind, and spirit, sense of well-being as opposed to something separate, and we should be ashamed or frightened to talk about. So thank you.
00:54:22.970 --> 00:54:30.890 Frank R. Harrison: Yes, and by the way, I want to ask you, you know your sister suffers from a neurological illness. I'm just wondering.
00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:40.660 Frank R. Harrison: Are there any clients of yours who are equestrians have neurological issues that you also focus on? Or is it predominantly the mental health issues?
00:54:41.280 --> 00:55:01.060 Jenny Swanson: I think, generally speaking, you know, I definitely have clients that come to me with a wide range of issues. I can't say, you know specifically that they have. You know, a specific diagnoses, but I you know, of course, welcome anyone, but I don't necessarily work with people specifically. But um, having my sister's experience, and having that
00:55:01.070 --> 00:55:11.430 Jenny Swanson: in my own personal life, I think, has been incredibly helpful to have that side and the passionate side, too, like you mentioned. Yeah, especially
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:14.989 Phyllis Quinlan: so. Share your contact information with this one more time, please. Jen:
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:31.920 Jenny Swanson: Yeah, you can get it. Look at my website. I'll have a blog on there where I post um articles. Try to keep it up once a week, but sometimes it's every other Jenny Swanson, J. E. And then my Sw. A. Ns and L. I Csw. Dot com,
00:55:31.930 --> 00:55:36.989 Jenny Swanson: and my Instagram is Jenny and I's underscore.
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:39.270 Jenny Swanson: L. I. Csw:
00:55:39.680 --> 00:55:41.529 Phyllis Quinlan: Wonderful. Okay.
00:55:41.540 --> 00:56:11.160 Frank R. Harrison: So, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it There we're about to sign off. But if any of you have any questions after the show goes off the air. Please email me at Frank or Frank Harrison. All right. If I get this right. Frank Harrison won at Gmail dot com, or go on to my website, Www. Dot, Frank R. Harrison, dot Com. And you'll be able to ask any questions that myself, Phyllis, or of course, Jenny will be able to answer. Stay tuned for Friday's episodes of
00:56:11.420 --> 00:56:22.449 Frank R. Harrison: Ah, philanthropy and focus, and always Friday right here on talk radio Nyc: and when we return next week Phyllis and I will be co-hosting. Ah, Judy Mandel, author of her book
00:56:22.460 --> 00:56:34.789 Jenny Swanson: which focuses on addiction and war on the book next week. So we hope to see you then, and thank you so much, Jenny, for being here. You've completed my Swanson catalogue,
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:52.189 Frank R. Harrison: and I thank you very much. And I I basically know that when we sign on we're literally going to be disconnected. So let us communicate, maybe to my today or tomorrow's follow up, and i'm just grateful to you, Phyllis, as well, and we'll see you all next week.
00:56:52.200 --> 00:56:55.189 Jenny Swanson: Thank you. To this, to your dad.
00:56:55.200 --> 00:56:57.269 www.TalkRadio.nyc: Okay, same here.