The Covid-19 Pandemic has caused a collective and individual level of PTSD, anxiety and depression, and has exacerbated many mental health conditions of employees in the workforce. With nearly two years of working from home, quarantines, Covid-19 scares and a polarized society, many employees are seeking mental health-based leave, sick leave, and changes and accommodations from their employers. How do the federal, state, and city employment laws protect employees with mental health conditions? Are the current laws alleviating employees' plights, or making them worse? Equally important for business owners: what is your role, your legal and ethical obligation, in accommodating mental illness among your workforce? Can compliance with the law help employers to regain a healthy and productive group of employees? Tune in on Tuesday, February 1st from 5pm to 6pm (EST), for this special episode of Employment Law Today, and tune in for PART 2 on Frank Harrison's show, "Frank About Health", on February 3rd at 5pm (EST).
Tonight, Eric is joined by Frank Harrison, who also has a show here at TalkRadio, Frank About Health! Frank is also the founder of Health-E-Media that helps everyone towards a better quality of life including those without access to affordable healthcare. This episode is part 1 about the pandemic and how it has affected our mental health and the workplace. Frank speaks about how he went to college for a business degree, eventually got a job in a bank, and even was a DJ on the side. He always found himself looking into psychology and helping people in some shape or form. Monitoring his health as someone who has epilepsy, was none of his reasons for starting his podcast show. He also has family members who have gone through health issues such as not being able to afford healthcare. Because of this, he also became an advocate for healthcare.
Eric and Frank talk about the pandemic and mental health. Frank says that Covid-19 was something that no one really knew what to do about. We all had to relearn how to go about our life and what it means to be true to ourselves and learn individually on how to live with this change. Frank says that in order for everyone to be aware of what has changed , we first have to be aware of ourselves and emphasize self awareness. He goes into detail about the increase in mental illness in people and how treatment and care has affected this and how this all has been affected by the pandemic. Because of this, the way we have handled such changes have all been different. We have had to be isolated in our own “cocoons”. Frank talks about how the virus has redefined human beings and everything changes even more constantly than before. So when there is some sort of normal, it’s not that easy to go about “normal” anymore.
On this segment, Frank and Eric continue their discussion on the lack of connection many people have had throughout these challenging times. Eric talks about how this has affected what disability leaves means for employees and employment. Frank talks about the great resignation happening with the working class like in restaurants, hotels, essential workers or even those working in large companies. Many employees, Eric says, find that their employers aren't meeting with them with their needs. Frank mentions that he sees that many workers from lawyers to teachers are preferring to work from home because they got used to this method. But also, many employees may not feel valued by their employers and may even feel burnt out, something that Frank said is some reasons why there is a great resignation. There are also different feelings and emotional benefits that come with working from home like a different feeling of accomplishment or not having to wear a mask. But this experience is different for everyone. There are also people working from home who have difficulty being at home working and taking care of their children. Frank says that employers have to try adjusting accordingly to the needs of employees which is a challenging process. This is where self awareness comes into play, as employers need to be aware of what their own needs are as business won’t just be normal as it once was.
Coming back from the final break, Frank talks about his goals of Frank About Health and being a health advocate. Frank had a show here on Talk Radio to talk about epilepsy, but he decided to create Frank About Health to talk about Covid19 as well as other illnesses. His goals are also to help people become their own advocates to adapt with the changes and their own health. His approach is to help others to be transparent, self aware and self empowered. It’s also about working with doctors and family members to be healthy. Frank says that you shouldn’t just rely on others but to work with others to be able to help yourself and advocate for yourself and your well being. You can find Frank R. Harrison at email@example.com, you can also visit frankrharrison.com as well as health-e-media.com. Part 2 of this insightful conversation about mental health and employment law post covid will continue on the next episode of Frank About Health, Thursday at 5pm Eastern right here and on Facebook.com/TalkRadioNyc!!
00:02:57.990 --> 00:03:08.130 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Good evening, welcome to climb a lot today i'm your host erick solver and then employment law and business library and I host this show every Tuesday night at 5pm.
00:03:08.460 --> 00:03:21.030 Eric Sarver, Esq.: right here on talk to me to nyc where I have guessed that talk about and discuss some of the most interesting novel and challenging issues that employers and business owners face today typically in light.
00:03:21.090 --> 00:03:29.880 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Of the coven 19 and then, and in that spirit i'm very happy tonight delighted to have because my gassy K co host from the station.
00:03:30.690 --> 00:03:39.960 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Who has his own radio show which i'll get to in a moment and we're doing a two part event and his name, as you can see, on the screen is friend or Harrison frank, welcome to the show.
00:03:40.650 --> 00:03:43.350 Frank R. Harrison: hey Eric be here.
00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:54.360 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Great great to have you on i'm going to do a little bit of introduction, for you in a moment, but first I want to just breathe our audience tonight on the topic that will be discussing.
00:03:54.480 --> 00:04:04.410 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And, as I mentioned this a two part event, whereas i'll be on frank show on Thursday at 5pm on the same station talk time I see you discuss in more detail.
00:04:05.460 --> 00:04:15.990 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So our our topic for tonight is we are doing a show called mental health and employment law post covert, and this is part one.
00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:23.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And what frank and I were discussing and want to share with you all this evening is that the cover 19 pandemic.
00:04:23.670 --> 00:04:37.530 Eric Sarver, Esq.: has basically causes collected an individual level of ptsd anxiety and depression and it is exaggerated many mental health conditions are, including for employees in the workforce.
00:04:38.070 --> 00:04:49.230 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And with nearly two years now, working from home quarantines coordinating scares and polarized society many employers are seeking mental health based leave.
00:04:49.650 --> 00:04:54.180 Eric Sarver, Esq.: they're seeking sick leave, as well as changes and accommodations for their employers.
00:04:54.720 --> 00:05:06.060 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So the question becomes How do the federal state and city employment laws that protect employees with mental health conditions What are those mental health conditions as we're seeing on the ground, so to speak.
00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:12.210 Eric Sarver, Esq.: and equally important that business owners, what is your role what's your legal and ethical.
00:05:12.810 --> 00:05:21.990 Eric Sarver, Esq.: obligation and accommodating mental illness among your workforce, the question becomes can compliance with the laws help employers to regain a healthy and productive.
00:05:22.350 --> 00:05:38.340 Eric Sarver, Esq.: group of employees and so tonight on my show frank Harrison will be our guest we're going to shed light on this, and that I think frank brings me to my intro for you why I think you're particularly qualified to talk on this matter tonight, if I may give you a proper introduction.
00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:40.380 Frank R. Harrison: Perfect I appreciate that.
00:05:40.710 --> 00:05:42.600 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Sure thing, so, as I mentioned votes.
00:05:43.770 --> 00:05:59.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: My guest this evening is frank or Harrison it friend is the President of healthy media llc is also a mental health advocate and talk radio nyc host of the show frank about health frank, is a passionate entrepreneur who leverage.
00:06:01.200 --> 00:06:08.220 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Personal experience to help others he's the compassionate healthcare advocate, who has made it his life's mission to empower.
00:06:08.580 --> 00:06:19.710 Eric Sarver, Esq.: and support those who are navigating life altering health conditions with his cadre of guests each having a related health care issue that they will share with frank, I was with the podcast.
00:06:20.430 --> 00:06:30.180 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Thank Harrison, is also a seasoned professional with an extensive background and expertise, who employs his past experiences in his business and social ventures for today.
00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:40.350 Eric Sarver, Esq.: he's an nyu and fordham university graduate with an MBA in business and ma in psychology and and and Ms integrated marketing and social media.
00:06:40.860 --> 00:06:46.380 Eric Sarver, Esq.: frank has previously worked for powerhouse companies in the media, entertainment and technology sectors.
00:06:46.860 --> 00:06:51.570 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And he has more recently shifted his focus to the health care and hospitality industries.
00:06:52.020 --> 00:07:01.860 Eric Sarver, Esq.: opting to pursue to erase the stigma and bring about awareness of health care topics that he understands and has been personally involved with frank public.
00:07:02.430 --> 00:07:07.860 Eric Sarver, Esq.: advocacy training with cornell university during the pandemic has made frank evolve as platform.
00:07:08.280 --> 00:07:26.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: into a forthcoming live event and media platform with healthy media and in conjunction with Hilton worldwide so folks, as I mentioned, he is indeed a very diverse interesting qualified guest tonight, and once again frank it's really great to have you on the show this evening.
00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:35.940 Frank R. Harrison: Well it's my pleasure, I mean essentially i've been trying to tell this story in many different ways throughout my my personal network of people family.
00:07:36.330 --> 00:07:46.770 Frank R. Harrison: ends obviously within my career background and it's very hard to describe in a nutshell, as eloquently, as you just did I mean essentially I.
00:07:46.770 --> 00:07:48.630 Frank R. Harrison: can be known as a person who wears a lot of.
00:07:48.630 --> 00:07:53.190 Frank R. Harrison: hats, I can be known as someone who probably isn't focused depending on who you speak to.
00:07:53.640 --> 00:07:56.070 Frank R. Harrison: But what's ironic, is that everything that I.
00:07:56.070 --> 00:08:03.090 Frank R. Harrison: have ever done or found myself evolve into has been a stepping stone along the way, I think, ultimately.
00:08:03.780 --> 00:08:15.930 Frank R. Harrison: Not the final destiny, but the destination of all of my experience and collaboration with various people is to create healthy media, which will hopefully go into full launch by mid year 2022.
00:08:17.400 --> 00:08:24.150 Frank R. Harrison: So it is basically a combination of my business background, as well as my psychology research experience.
00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:41.130 Frank R. Harrison: My awareness of a lot of healthcare issues, as everyone knows, on my show I I come from the background of being an epileptic that's how frank about health began but simultaneously lived through co but, as we all have I was able to put all of those hats on when needed.
00:08:41.550 --> 00:08:48.870 Frank R. Harrison: and actually it just developed organically into a new business model that I hopefully we'll be able to launch with Hilton in the spring.
00:08:50.190 --> 00:09:01.260 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Interesting really is, you know I often enjoy they asked him I guess frank when they come on basically you know share a little bit more about yourself and your background and what what inspired you to become.
00:09:02.040 --> 00:09:03.630 Eric Sarver, Esq.: A mental health advocate or.
00:09:03.930 --> 00:09:13.590 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I find that people often their personal experiences, combined with their educational background or the family use your personal experience, I think, can really shake someone's.
00:09:13.950 --> 00:09:22.380 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Their passion and their role so thing to hear some of your background there that you just shared in terms of sort of the edge of your current endeavors.
00:09:23.580 --> 00:09:36.450 Frank R. Harrison: Well, well essentially know I since I graduated college, I found myself in very unique positions, depending upon, where I was employed, I went to the Stern school of business as an undergrad and.
00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:37.950 Eric Sarver, Esq.: got my first job at.
00:09:38.100 --> 00:09:43.860 Frank R. Harrison: The bank, where I was in the credit card operations department, but I was a DJ on the side as well.
00:09:44.130 --> 00:09:45.810 Frank R. Harrison: And that's what I preferred more than the.
00:09:46.290 --> 00:09:52.560 Frank R. Harrison: One pays the bills and the other kept my spiritual life going, but the irony was is that it was just.
00:09:53.100 --> 00:10:06.660 Frank R. Harrison: A moment in time, where having recovered from epilepsy, and having to live life with those challenges, I think that I was always weighing my professional decisions and options based on how I felt at the time I.
00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:13.140 Frank R. Harrison: always wanted to be in an environment that allows me to connect to others that allowed me to communicate effectively with others.
00:10:13.380 --> 00:10:20.220 Frank R. Harrison: And I think innately i've always been a psychologist that part I always saw myself always trying to help people, even when I was a teenager.
00:10:20.490 --> 00:10:26.430 Frank R. Harrison: So by that nature if I was in a work environment that didn't make me feel those aspects of my personality.
00:10:26.730 --> 00:10:34.110 Frank R. Harrison: I found my way out, and then I evolved into something else, but, of course, when you have experiences from the past, those skills remain with you.
00:10:34.380 --> 00:10:45.750 Frank R. Harrison: So I was able to integrate them into my next opportunity and my next opportunity so forth, and so on, so my personal experience really as to what made every involved for me especially frank about health.
00:10:46.110 --> 00:10:55.860 Frank R. Harrison: wasn't monitoring my health care on an ongoing basis that's what you have to do when you have an ongoing neurological illness like epilepsy simultaneously.
00:10:56.640 --> 00:11:05.430 Frank R. Harrison: You know, I was living nearby my parents who were getting older, in years and about 20 years into my career, my father came down with prostate cancer.
00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:06.750 Frank R. Harrison: You know by.
00:11:07.050 --> 00:11:20.790 Frank R. Harrison: That time well, thank God he's been recovering nicely, and he has the same time, been an example of how cove it, or at least the vaccines may have had an play in his recovery, but that.
00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:22.410 Frank R. Harrison: I guess, we can talk about a little later.
00:11:22.920 --> 00:11:36.360 Frank R. Harrison: Now, the thing is also, I noticed recently, I have a cousin who has had unfortunate circumstances, with no adequate health insurance no adequate caregiving support, so I became through her.
00:11:37.650 --> 00:11:42.660 Frank R. Harrison: As a proxy at the nyu lingo and health system, I became her advocate.
00:11:42.870 --> 00:11:56.940 Frank R. Harrison: Based on my surgery that she just had, as well as based on upcoming treatments that are neurological that nature and her son became her CDP ap work i'm sure you're familiar with CDP ap is about for the medicaid system correct.
00:11:57.660 --> 00:12:05.400 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I had some experience with that you want to share with our audience a little bit about that in case they're not in the know for.
00:12:05.760 --> 00:12:07.740 Frank R. Harrison: Sure, without fully digressing.
00:12:07.770 --> 00:12:16.830 Frank R. Harrison: PDP at consumer directed patient assistance program which the medicaid system had introduced about 2020 pre pandemic actually.
00:12:17.250 --> 00:12:28.260 Frank R. Harrison: And then it became more relevant, especially when you found the essential workers, like the nursing home health care attendants and other individuals that would always be at the patient's home.
00:12:28.290 --> 00:12:29.310 Eric Sarver, Esq.: or in the nursing home.
00:12:29.730 --> 00:12:34.230 Frank R. Harrison: of being able to come to work properly, because they got coven or they were trying to avoid kovats.
00:12:34.620 --> 00:12:48.420 Frank R. Harrison: Among other reasons, so they'd allow your caregiver to be your your spouse or your or your child was living with you, with time now I don't live with my cousin but her son does so, I was able to get him in the Program.
00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:57.930 Frank R. Harrison: And then, together we collectively take care of my cousins health, health care, actually from soup to NUTS is your physical exam.
00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:12.600 Frank R. Harrison: laboratory testing to mention getting her coven scenes, among other things, now, as I just gave you a brief example from my own health care to my parents health care to my cousin that just became part of my everyday modus operandi.
00:13:13.110 --> 00:13:14.700 Frank R. Harrison: So, how was I going to be.
00:13:14.730 --> 00:13:23.460 Frank R. Harrison: able to at the same time continuing my corporate professional and career goal of being a psychologist that was an entertainer for a while.
00:13:23.640 --> 00:13:30.600 Frank R. Harrison: Plus I launched an entrepreneurial venture which is now a little bit table until later date, but.
00:13:30.630 --> 00:13:37.650 Frank R. Harrison: It was about to be finance and about to launch until my own health care took over again so.
00:13:37.890 --> 00:13:38.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: What I.
00:13:38.400 --> 00:13:51.150 Frank R. Harrison: find interesting is that I was kind of constantly distracted from my own professional goals by being involved in caregiving by default, so I decided in my creative way to try to integrate to.
00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.210 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Real I know that's.
00:13:54.510 --> 00:13:58.500 Frank R. Harrison: A personal healthcare background that led me to where I am where i'm going today.
00:13:59.940 --> 00:14:03.480 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Essentially, frank it's like i've also seen how people's you know personal experiences.
00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:15.030 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And trials tribulations can make them more in tune with the needs of others, even people different issues that say they don't fix how about that let's see, but it can take an interesting question I have here, which is.
00:14:16.350 --> 00:14:26.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: It has now been two years since the Cobra 19 pandemic began so i'm wondering as a mental health advocate have you seen particularly mental health conditions.
00:14:26.610 --> 00:14:40.050 Eric Sarver, Esq.: and mental health mental illnesses become more widespread or more severe during coven and before you answer the question and, as you know, for being a host we are actually at air first commercial where I think right just a moment.
00:14:40.920 --> 00:14:48.300 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know time flies detailed conversation, but I want you to get to that question, perhaps like after our break, since we.
00:14:48.690 --> 00:14:50.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: don't want to break up a continuity of momentum.
00:14:51.600 --> 00:15:01.320 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think it's like an interesting you know segue because you're talking about your own acute awareness of the system, and you know how it works with respect to your and your customers, health, so the question becomes.
00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:06.750 Eric Sarver, Esq.: What have you seen a pandemic and folks we're going to answer that question very shortly.
00:15:07.350 --> 00:15:21.660 Eric Sarver, Esq.: For now i'll just say on their cyber host of employment law today my guest tonight frank or Harris and host of frank about health talking about employment law and health and mental health in light dependent so stick around we'll be right back.
00:17:38.250 --> 00:17:41.520 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome back to employment law today i'm your host erick Sabra.
00:17:43.470 --> 00:17:49.800 Eric Sarver, Esq.: turnkey attorney comes back with my guest frank are Harrison frank, founder of healthy media.
00:17:50.460 --> 00:17:59.430 Eric Sarver, Esq.: who's also in host and founder of the frank about health which airs if there is 5pm on this station and our conversation today our topic is.
00:17:59.730 --> 00:18:09.090 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Mental health employment law post coven part one within part two, you are being as the friction Thursday evening so frank once again really great to have you on the show the.
00:18:10.710 --> 00:18:11.730 Frank R. Harrison: same here same here.
00:18:13.020 --> 00:18:22.830 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Excellent so when the second question for you, has to do with the pandemic and mental health, the question is it's been, as I mentioned two years independent bookstore and, believe it or not, but.
00:18:23.280 --> 00:18:35.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Where that to your work and i'm wondering at the method that again, have you frank seen particular but the hot conditions and mental illness become more widespread or more severe trying coven.
00:18:36.750 --> 00:18:46.590 Frank R. Harrison: But you have to look at it from a one fact that Kobe 19 hasn't been here at all, there is no basis of, we all know about the the.
00:18:48.630 --> 00:18:50.580 Frank R. Harrison: flu, the Spanish is endemic.
00:18:50.820 --> 00:18:52.350 Frank R. Harrison: I wasn't around during that time.
00:18:54.330 --> 00:19:03.930 Frank R. Harrison: In other words, there's no foundation for any of us who are already predisposed to any mental or co morbid physical ailments prior to the pandemic.
00:19:04.290 --> 00:19:07.080 Frank R. Harrison: All we had was the awareness up to that point.
00:19:07.470 --> 00:19:18.330 Frank R. Harrison: All of a sudden of virus from move on China migrate through Europe lands in New York on march 1 2020 or actually land in Washington state first around this time.
00:19:18.600 --> 00:19:26.220 Frank R. Harrison: And then march in work and the thing is nobody knew what to expect nobody knew how to identify it nobody knew how to test it.
00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:38.400 Frank R. Harrison: We didn't have vaccines, we didn't have masks we didn't have PCP didn't have anything no direction whatsoever that kind of from a student of psychology point of view.
00:19:39.060 --> 00:19:39.390 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right it.
00:19:39.450 --> 00:19:49.230 Frank R. Harrison: makes you resort to knowing your own resources to try to identify how are you going to live with this unknown disease, which is disruptive.
00:19:49.710 --> 00:20:00.690 Frank R. Harrison: To everyone's way of life, whether it's your work, your school just living at home with family parties traveled all of those things so that being said.
00:20:01.050 --> 00:20:09.510 Frank R. Harrison: We all had to read learn what it was like to be thoughtful of that famous phrase be true to yourself, first, before you can be true to others.
00:20:09.870 --> 00:20:15.090 Frank R. Harrison: The thing is, is that most people were never really brought up under that functionality.
00:20:15.570 --> 00:20:24.900 Frank R. Harrison: they're all understanding that we all grow up in families, we all have our workplace friends and family, we all have our collective identities and groups and niches.
00:20:25.410 --> 00:20:44.250 Frank R. Harrison: But we never really take full ownership over ourselves, we kind of wait for anticipate that someone else or something else is going to guide you and that just was not the case in 2020 so that being said, when i'm observing the mental health disparities that were accruing.
00:20:45.300 --> 00:20:47.730 Frank R. Harrison: i'm just observing them on a day by day basis.
00:20:48.090 --> 00:20:48.990 Frank R. Harrison: There was no.
00:20:49.650 --> 00:21:01.080 Frank R. Harrison: No baseline to go from other than to understand what has developed over the last two years and to come up with new theories or new ways of thinking, based on what we know.
00:21:01.470 --> 00:21:11.520 Frank R. Harrison: And what we can foresee happening in the future, but have some temporary modality of treatment and Protocol in order to live life with it.
00:21:11.760 --> 00:21:18.060 Frank R. Harrison: On an episode of frank about health I had my guest reflect grey talk about the oma cranberry it's about.
00:21:18.150 --> 00:21:19.320 Eric Sarver, Esq.: A month ago, actually.
00:21:19.620 --> 00:21:19.890 Eric Sarver, Esq.: and
00:21:20.100 --> 00:21:29.370 Frank R. Harrison: The thing is, she had the disclaimer i'm not a doctor i'm just an actress I say the same thing i'm not a doctor, but.
00:21:29.430 --> 00:21:30.510 Frank R. Harrison: My by nature.
00:21:30.510 --> 00:21:36.060 Frank R. Harrison: And by force of the circumstances surrounding my family and surrounding my business.
00:21:36.090 --> 00:21:36.930 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right has to be.
00:21:37.260 --> 00:21:52.080 Frank R. Harrison: One and so therefore I think what i'm trying to say on my show and even on this show tonight is that for for everyone to be fully aware of what has changed, they have to be aware of themselves first.
00:21:52.110 --> 00:21:52.770 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And so that's what I.
00:21:52.830 --> 00:22:01.380 Frank R. Harrison: Try to do every on every episode of frank about health I try to advocate for self awareness and ownership over your mind and body.
00:22:01.860 --> 00:22:06.870 Frank R. Harrison: And there are a lot of people that are just not going to get it, they just won't i'm not trying to please everybody, but i'm.
00:22:07.020 --> 00:22:08.220 Frank R. Harrison: Trying to awaken.
00:22:08.610 --> 00:22:08.850 Frank R. Harrison: You know.
00:22:09.150 --> 00:22:10.710 Frank R. Harrison: Sam says on his show awake.
00:22:11.010 --> 00:22:24.360 Frank R. Harrison: Awareness you know i'm trying to awaken people to be mindful of what we are live with and therefore do the right things that are going to help us through the through the pandemic and post kovats now.
00:22:24.510 --> 00:22:28.500 Frank R. Harrison: Have I noticed a change in mental health relationships absolutely.
00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:34.980 Frank R. Harrison: Mental health disorders have run rampant from the areas of depression high anxiety.
00:22:35.130 --> 00:22:37.590 Frank R. Harrison: hyper vigilance ptsd.
00:22:37.830 --> 00:22:44.040 Frank R. Harrison: That is more collective in nature, but at the same time, individuals who already had it for various reasons.
00:22:44.370 --> 00:22:45.150 Eric Sarver, Esq.: But even worse.
00:22:45.660 --> 00:22:46.590 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I was getting some.
00:22:47.010 --> 00:22:48.180 Frank R. Harrison: districts, the other day.
00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:53.940 Frank R. Harrison: That said, three pandemic, there were 50 million Americans that had some form of mental illness.
00:22:54.210 --> 00:22:59.550 Frank R. Harrison: They averaged out about 19.6% of the country right now by point 8%.
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:15.330 Frank R. Harrison: Right exactly and yet what has not changed, along with the exacerbated mental illnesses that have gone on are some the treatment modalities the appropriate medication.
00:23:15.540 --> 00:23:16.620 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And some.
00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:27.360 Frank R. Harrison: Of the financing that insurance companies could be able to do to take care of patients who really need something of an ongoing treatment plan.
00:23:27.570 --> 00:23:28.740 Eric Sarver, Esq.: is to deal with.
00:23:29.370 --> 00:23:31.140 Frank R. Harrison: ish you know so.
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:32.190 Frank R. Harrison: It is.
00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:36.450 Frank R. Harrison: I think that number is still going to skyrocket even when we're at a point.
00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:52.260 Frank R. Harrison: When the pandemic is that a low and maybe a majority of the country has become estimated or maybe the mutations that continue to develop won't be as severe or won't be as spreading the way that oma Kron recently was but.
00:23:52.320 --> 00:23:58.230 Frank R. Harrison: The thing is that people are going to have lived, the last two years in their mind.
00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:03.420 Frank R. Harrison: And the big wildfire with no measurement of time and boundaries.
00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:10.290 Frank R. Harrison: And they probably would have during that time broken a lot of their relationships with friends or family or loved ones.
00:24:10.800 --> 00:24:12.420 Frank R. Harrison: Or, they would have quit their job.
00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:14.190 Frank R. Harrison: or they probably would.
00:24:14.190 --> 00:24:23.040 Frank R. Harrison: Just be no longer taking a simple phone call from a friend as something that they want to be bothered with a lot of people are resisting a.
00:24:23.040 --> 00:24:32.610 Frank R. Harrison: lot of people want to be in their cocoon they want to feel self protective because all the media news out there every day about something else related to cove it.
00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:44.130 Eric Sarver, Esq.: it's too much to have them is over the road yeah you could, if I could just jump into kind of recap, I think you, I think it flows nicely into why is it such an epidemic.
00:24:44.580 --> 00:24:54.090 Eric Sarver, Esq.: of sorts of children administrators, to the pandemic itself and the actual covenant illness and then the way we have it on people's mental health, and I think that.
00:24:54.540 --> 00:24:59.460 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Definitely segue into them plenty of thinking, which is that baseline that sort of like here's what's happening.
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:07.200 Eric Sarver, Esq.: something you said really I think struck like stuck out one I really heard that sort of like that I guess that can ingredient that.
00:25:07.710 --> 00:25:11.130 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Through that students like worst ingredients that were just.
00:25:11.580 --> 00:25:24.720 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Basically exacerbate all kinds of it or be a breeding ground for more severe mental health issues right that constant unknown the unpredictability to sort of looming threat of imminent danger, combined with the fact that.
00:25:25.620 --> 00:25:33.090 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Those of us who might seek comfort through connection with others, many people I think we're leaving losses if you're in the wrong mentality and they had no one to.
00:25:33.390 --> 00:25:39.720 Eric Sarver, Esq.: gather was like when someone dies you gather you know you said sugar in the Jewish religion, if we do other things, but yet people are leaving.
00:25:40.230 --> 00:25:51.030 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And even processing this far apart, and I think you were also mentioning like some people may try to sell protect their protective cocoon interesting to see people's different reactions there but.
00:25:51.330 --> 00:25:56.820 Eric Sarver, Esq.: That lack of a baseline that we didn't have you know, none of us said, well, we had other wars this war is.
00:25:57.150 --> 00:26:06.360 Eric Sarver, Esq.: hard enough, but we look to history, how do we, you know what I was doing the Spanish flu of you know, a century ago, so I definitely hear those are excellent points and then to your point.
00:26:06.690 --> 00:26:14.970 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The increase in is it ptsd individually, collectively, I think we all it's like the perfect storm, so to speak.
00:26:15.360 --> 00:26:23.880 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I think it's good that we establish that you know, because it does get into questions of employment, and you know you and I know the great resignation.
00:26:24.120 --> 00:26:33.180 Eric Sarver, Esq.: doesn't matter half component is racial component so just a lot there, but to check for rich information, and I think you laid it out, based in terms of how you when they're out of there.
00:26:34.080 --> 00:26:44.460 Frank R. Harrison: But the thing that i'm also trying to make clear is that you know we as human beings are wired for interconnectedness it's in our DNA it's who we are.
00:26:44.820 --> 00:27:00.600 Frank R. Harrison: I mean we are part of the animal kingdom a higher level that we are, and when you are literally forced to work from home learn from home to help it or even right now, this interview which five years ago would have been in the same studio.
00:27:00.780 --> 00:27:03.570 Frank R. Harrison: Where we both have had some time with a joint microphone.
00:27:03.810 --> 00:27:03.960 Frank R. Harrison: The.
00:27:04.020 --> 00:27:19.980 Frank R. Harrison: Right of the matter is, we cannot see or feel each other's body language in the rain time so there's a shield there's some kind of sight block between individuals relating with each other.
00:27:20.310 --> 00:27:30.000 Frank R. Harrison: And when you're supposed to go outside and wear a mask all the time or you're supposed to make sure that you show your vaccination Carter you can't eat side eat inside or even outside.
00:27:30.270 --> 00:27:44.820 Frank R. Harrison: At a restaurant, you have your vaccines part you're basically like the equivalent of in a cage you know the whole in classical conditioning theory the rat in the cage constantly on the wheel or looking for the cheese and not being able to find it it's just.
00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:48.570 Frank R. Harrison: A conditioned response have learned helplessness.
00:27:48.600 --> 00:27:49.860 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Which leads to depression.
00:27:50.430 --> 00:27:56.670 Frank R. Harrison: So the way that the coven 19th and epic has redefined us as human beings.
00:27:57.060 --> 00:28:05.340 Frank R. Harrison: Has attributed to the outgrowth and the mental health abuse that we've all had to deal with one that abuse, I think I would have to say, mental health outcomes.
00:28:05.610 --> 00:28:22.140 Frank R. Harrison: That, as a result, need more heavy treatment, even after this pandemic finally disappears, so what we're seeing is an evolution of a normal way of being in a society that is structured, but then you the society is disrupted by an unknown virus.
00:28:22.620 --> 00:28:26.940 Frank R. Harrison: Then you have everybody doing these new rules, day by day, week by week.
00:28:26.970 --> 00:28:27.900 Eric Sarver, Esq.: month by month.
00:28:28.410 --> 00:28:28.770 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And you're.
00:28:28.800 --> 00:28:31.140 Frank R. Harrison: still making this change and that change.
00:28:31.530 --> 00:28:32.130 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And then.
00:28:32.370 --> 00:28:36.510 Frank R. Harrison: You get used to constant changing that when there's normal see you don't know how to deal with it.
00:28:37.350 --> 00:28:38.520 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Like that's another issue yeah.
00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:40.320 Frank R. Harrison: You know so that's.
00:28:40.620 --> 00:28:48.780 Frank R. Harrison: craziness is something that is now learned I used to call the cabin fever, because we were locked up for five months back in 2020 but now.
00:28:48.810 --> 00:28:50.430 Frank R. Harrison: In the last year actually when.
00:28:52.350 --> 00:28:53.010 Frank R. Harrison: I would be.
00:28:53.070 --> 00:28:53.370 Frank R. Harrison: Like.
00:28:53.610 --> 00:28:56.190 Frank R. Harrison: I used to travel like seven times a year.
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:56.730 for business.
00:28:58.320 --> 00:28:58.530 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I.
00:28:58.560 --> 00:29:01.350 Frank R. Harrison: Think i've taken three flights in the last five years.
00:29:03.300 --> 00:29:03.630 Frank R. Harrison: So.
00:29:03.780 --> 00:29:04.440 Eric Sarver, Esq.: yeah it's.
00:29:05.280 --> 00:29:10.410 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Interesting It really is, and you know it's like imagine all the constant changes.
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:23.070 Eric Sarver, Esq.: there's constant changing from the from the illness and the virus recovered it, and that means the constant changes in the laws and what people can do like employers, it was a pleasure teaching a lot of.
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:28.050 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Changes out there in terms of like say you know the.
00:29:28.800 --> 00:29:37.380 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Private employer vaccine mandate or mandates for different laws around the corporate leave and such so you have a lot of that change and then people were trying to cope with.
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:47.850 Eric Sarver, Esq.: All this change, as you mentioned, that if things were lit up, how do you come down from that constantly adrenaline response of like Niagara changes that you know we're not meant to be.
00:29:48.330 --> 00:29:57.570 Eric Sarver, Esq.: In that constant state of unknown flux and doing it apart, so I think I think it's interesting because you know mental health and and and whatnot thing about it is.
00:29:58.170 --> 00:30:07.560 Eric Sarver, Esq.: it's it's you know all of us, but we take our situations with us like when we as a society have an increase in anxiety depression and ptsd.
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:18.570 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Around the family that affects when people go to work and so i'll talk about on your show Thursday the laws, it needs to be I think more flexible.
00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:24.870 Eric Sarver, Esq.: in how they define leave like what disability leave once you know ptsd lead to call it, which is the recognized.
00:30:25.170 --> 00:30:34.530 Eric Sarver, Esq.: condition under employment laws for getting leads, so I want to come back and after our next commercial break and really happy to have you here tonight frank.
00:30:35.070 --> 00:30:41.370 Eric Sarver, Esq.: we're talking about mental health and employment law in time a coven the interaction between the two so folks.
00:30:41.820 --> 00:30:57.810 Eric Sarver, Esq.: When you come back they talk about the decline of mental health that frank, discuss and how it contributes to the group designation so stick around you're listening to talk real nyc employment law today host Eric Sabra I guess frank Harrison right that.
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.930 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome back to lunch today i'm your host erick somber.
00:33:08.520 --> 00:33:17.460 Eric Sarver, Esq.: attorney, as I mentioned, I think is important, typically for this topic and my guest tonight the show is frank Harrison frank has his own show.
00:33:18.300 --> 00:33:27.240 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You, the fight camp on frank about health, where he tackles issues of mental health advocacy and mental health awareness and I were talking about as.
00:33:27.870 --> 00:33:31.830 Eric Sarver, Esq.: leak joining halfway through the mental health and employment law.
00:33:32.790 --> 00:33:40.080 Eric Sarver, Esq.: type of Kobe, and so I think frank, you know we really in the first half of the show he laid out basically your background what.
00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:47.070 Eric Sarver, Esq.: uniquely qualified to you personally professionally to to address these issues and I think you laid out for us really.
00:33:47.910 --> 00:34:00.390 Eric Sarver, Esq.: For those again tuning in late the uptake increase in mental health illness or disability mental health challenges for the pandemic as the key reasons why I think you know we don't always have to think.
00:34:00.870 --> 00:34:06.390 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think a lot of getting it was thousand break like as you point out here we're kind of constantly on this, so the chaotic.
00:34:07.830 --> 00:34:17.640 Eric Sarver, Esq.: adrenaline rush and it's not a good one it's not a roller coaster ride it isn't part it's the oh my God what's happening next kind of thing doesn't new variant that.
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:35.220 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And people plan to cancel, so I think it's great to have this that I think it's a great segue into you and you can talk about the House without a face, confirming that it seeps into every part of life, including the workforce and the workplace so.
00:34:37.290 --> 00:34:37.710 Frank R. Harrison: I just.
00:34:39.510 --> 00:34:42.960 Frank R. Harrison: I just wanted to add to what you said were not only.
00:34:43.350 --> 00:34:45.150 Frank R. Harrison: Not only have the incidences of.
00:34:45.150 --> 00:34:55.950 Frank R. Harrison: Mental health increased, especially if the individual was already predisposed to mental health, but because of the lack of connection it has added to substance abuse.
00:34:56.250 --> 00:34:57.270 Eric Sarver, Esq.: It has ran into.
00:34:57.570 --> 00:35:03.660 Frank R. Harrison: increased rates of suicidal ideation and, in some cases actual committing of suicide.
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:15.090 Frank R. Harrison: I mean the thing is is a lot of people are also reeling from what it's like to be disconnected program now going on two years there's an empty psychological vacuum.
00:35:15.390 --> 00:35:24.270 Frank R. Harrison: Now, when people actually abusing themselves with different you know drugs or alcohol abuse or whatever other substances they might be taking.
00:35:24.630 --> 00:35:34.500 Frank R. Harrison: they're actually just trying to numb the pain and then they end up, whether by accident or through planning they end up killing themselves because they feel that if they can finally rest.
00:35:35.010 --> 00:35:40.830 Frank R. Harrison: You know, but then you were going to cross over into how it's affecting the workplace, in short, I mean it definitely has a place there to.
00:35:41.580 --> 00:35:50.490 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Know that's excellent excellent point I think I actually made a comment note to ask if there was an increase for I read about least in.
00:35:50.790 --> 00:35:57.690 Eric Sarver, Esq.: substance abuse and addiction and challenge, people are facing, and I think I think that's a great point to raise just in general, and I think it also.
00:35:58.200 --> 00:36:05.520 Eric Sarver, Esq.: dovetails nicely into some disability believe that people might need you know you see EP employee assistance programs set up.
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:18.120 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Around right, it should have a mental health and substance abuse, so I think it's an excellent point i'm glad you raised it, and I think you know we can talk about that maybe the next question which is we've got a decline in mental health.
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:30.870 Eric Sarver, Esq.: tonight as collective individually on a collective level so frank wondering like, how do you think this mental health crisis i'll say has contributed to the great resignation your perspective.
00:36:32.370 --> 00:36:42.690 Frank R. Harrison: Well, first of all I am correct you see being that i'm also not an attorney as you are, please you know tell me if I give you any misinformation and correct me right on the spot.
00:36:43.110 --> 00:36:52.920 Frank R. Harrison: But the great resignation is predominantly happening with people who were in the working class restaurant owners or hills or hotel hospitality.
00:36:53.010 --> 00:36:56.970 Frank R. Harrison: Workers those individuals are we talking about also private sector.
00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:02.850 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think both like I think what i'm reading and seeing is that it's actually people in.
00:37:03.930 --> 00:37:22.290 Eric Sarver, Esq.: It could be people in white card positions of you know, marketing and media, it could be people in, say, large companies, but also certainly with hospitality, I see it as two levels you've got the people with the essential workers, maybe there are more sort of libra isn't such a.
00:37:23.370 --> 00:37:30.510 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Not so much higher positions, but they are risking their lives to be mostly worker to be the hospitality the busboy.
00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:40.200 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And the vision here for what and their employers aren't maybe meeting them halfway, then I see the upper class folks who are residing either they have the means to do so.
00:37:41.040 --> 00:37:51.960 Eric Sarver, Esq.: or they're just like you know they're just so burnt out from zoom schooling and their children and home and being cooped up with you know the third graders and fifth graders my with my kids that I have.
00:37:52.650 --> 00:38:04.350 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And they just they think their employees, maybe aren't meeting their needs it employs giving them a salary, but they need something else that's just what i've been seeing i've had my finger on the pulse of this, but maybe I don't know if that helps.
00:38:04.350 --> 00:38:05.760 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You bring your analysis like.
00:38:06.810 --> 00:38:09.030 Frank R. Harrison: In action actually does and the.
00:38:09.030 --> 00:38:12.000 Frank R. Harrison: reason is because I have noticed, for example.
00:38:13.350 --> 00:38:23.310 Frank R. Harrison: My my doctors who I see on a regular basis, for various reasons, epilepsy i've used to be one of them, they like they for Tele health overseeing me in person, because they got.
00:38:23.310 --> 00:38:23.910 Eric Sarver, Esq.: used to it.
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:32.520 Frank R. Harrison: I had an actual doctor that gave up his practice at nyu to go into private practice at home because 80% of his business was through remote.
00:38:33.030 --> 00:38:46.020 Frank R. Harrison: Simultaneously, I know of teachers who don't want to go back to school because they they prefer the idea of being in their sweats and just doing whatever attendance rosters or whatever they need to do at home.
00:38:46.350 --> 00:38:55.440 Frank R. Harrison: Then, then there's the circumstances where you know, I have a lawyer for healthy media who doesn't want to go back to the office, especially when oberon broke out.
00:38:55.680 --> 00:39:05.670 Frank R. Harrison: So what I would have to say is that this great resignation is a contribution of the feelings of not being valued for the circumstance that they're going through and therefore.
00:39:05.910 --> 00:39:14.550 Frank R. Harrison: they'd rather just quit the job, then get the menial Labor where they're probably getting more through unemployment and when we were getting our stimulus packages last year.
00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:32.700 Frank R. Harrison: or the other aspect is is that people are also just if they're in a high position where their partners in the law firm or whatever they probably have you know a lot of savings to continue to work from home so there's the burnout question there, so a lot of people basically through.
00:39:32.730 --> 00:39:33.210 Frank R. Harrison: Because.
00:39:33.270 --> 00:39:36.270 Frank R. Harrison: Of the pandemic, regardless of their work status.
00:39:36.300 --> 00:39:38.340 Frank R. Harrison: In their career are finding.
00:39:38.370 --> 00:39:51.420 Frank R. Harrison: The desire to resign, based on the learned helplessness that I spoke of earlier face the fact that they got used to achieving different emotional benefits by working from home and.
00:39:51.600 --> 00:40:03.210 Frank R. Harrison: Just in a situation where we have constant warnings that if I have to wear a mask in the office i'd rather work from home I don't want to be having problems breathing throughout the day and I can see my clients virtually.
00:40:03.600 --> 00:40:13.320 Frank R. Harrison: You know so it's a combination of burnout learned helplessness and just a desire to be ourselves recover from this way train.
00:40:14.580 --> 00:40:23.820 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think that's really I mean burnout learn this stuff have learned helplessness and and just that sort of desire for rest, I think, is really I think it's in a nutshell, it really.
00:40:24.660 --> 00:40:35.040 Eric Sarver, Esq.: sums up nicely, I think you know i've discussed this issue with people on my show, as you can imagine, being a support of a lot today and we discussed pressing issues, the time I was discussing my personal life and.
00:40:35.520 --> 00:40:44.010 Eric Sarver, Esq.: what's fascinating is that I think there are a lot of contributing factors to that resignation people talk about economics and logistical factors of all people can now.
00:40:44.370 --> 00:40:47.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: find that easier jobs across the country or world because everyone's you know.
00:40:48.180 --> 00:40:56.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think the mental health, peace is a big part of this, and I think you know, as you mentioned, like weren't help assist not feeling dahlia that's a key thing.
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:05.070 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I think a lot of people, maybe you weren't feeling that way before, but now, with Kobe that they're getting pressured let's say like to go.
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:14.160 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Back to soon as a pre vaccines, people were saying welcome back and just think where i'm asking people are thinking or you know working in a grocery store or restaurant, maybe they're.
00:41:14.610 --> 00:41:20.910 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Telling jeopardize our risk and they're not seeing their employees, maybe response, you know as being.
00:41:21.660 --> 00:41:27.780 Eric Sarver, Esq.: sort of value that as a person, and I think that you're right about that people i've seen a lot of employees complain.
00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:34.260 Eric Sarver, Esq.: That their employers aren't properly, taking into account how stressful their home life has become.
00:41:34.560 --> 00:41:42.780 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So sort of hanging on a show me what you missed that three three o'clock meeting scheduled, you know you missed one last weekend as well, I have you know, two small children at home.
00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:52.890 Eric Sarver, Esq.: we're being zoom now homeschooling and my child thicker closing and my you know spouse's home to and and one of us got cold had to get a covert testing to be overexposed there's a lot of.
00:41:53.280 --> 00:42:01.680 Eric Sarver, Esq.: there's just a lot going on, and I think, like any employee that wants to keep their employees just needs to recognize that, and if you agree it's just.
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:02.250 record.
00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:03.720 Eric Sarver, Esq.: yeah.
00:42:03.990 --> 00:42:18.600 Frank R. Harrison: Absolutely and, but the problem, which is the conundrum and all of this is that the inability to recognize it recognizing what their employees need is based on their inability to recognize what their needs are.
00:42:18.690 --> 00:42:19.560 Frank R. Harrison: You in dealing.
00:42:19.590 --> 00:42:29.820 Frank R. Harrison: Is a pandemic so as a result they're just treating business as usual and not making the empathic changes the necessary because they haven't taken the time.
00:42:30.330 --> 00:42:44.010 Frank R. Harrison: to explore how the other person the employee in this case is feeling from how has this altered your life How has it altered your your work output, because you're not in the same frame of mind that you once were in.
00:42:44.550 --> 00:42:54.240 Frank R. Harrison: That is where we're lacking the continual divide and being able to work together during the pandemic, because the thing is, as every one is adjusting to the constant changes.
00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:55.410 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The employers.
00:42:55.470 --> 00:43:01.560 Frank R. Harrison: have to adjust accordingly because we're all still human beings, no matter of employer employees.
00:43:01.860 --> 00:43:17.130 Frank R. Harrison: we're all going to suffer from the same mental deficits over this pandemic, as well as Co morbid illnesses that are sometimes invigorated by this whether it's cancer, diabetes, heart failure, God knows what else but the thing is, is that.
00:43:17.310 --> 00:43:20.340 Frank R. Harrison: It is a lack of empathy that was induced.
00:43:20.370 --> 00:43:28.260 Frank R. Harrison: By the pandemic that is preventing employers from adjusting to the needs of the employees, leading to this great resignation.
00:43:29.250 --> 00:43:32.640 Eric Sarver, Esq.: that's an interesting theory wow just kind of taking that it's like.
00:43:33.540 --> 00:43:36.300 Frank R. Harrison: Again it's just a theory, yes, but I.
00:43:38.430 --> 00:43:46.680 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Really, in the end, the whole lot of our you know thoughts are going to theory is based on our beliefs, our observations experiences I think it's very accurate think that.
00:43:47.190 --> 00:43:56.190 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And what i'm seeing with employers coming to me they don't always know what their needs are for their own self care because, as you mentioned.
00:43:56.490 --> 00:44:09.030 Eric Sarver, Esq.: This is sort of a once in a lifetime situation, because this is not, you know, like we've all been through tragically or effectively we've seen mastering history we've seen war i'm not minimize those things that make me very.
00:44:09.030 --> 00:44:15.060 Eric Sarver, Esq.: traumatic but we haven't some idea of how to interact and work with these, and I think that.
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:21.990 Eric Sarver, Esq.: This is just a great people are trying to adapt and in the last change so employers don't know what they need and don't know their employees need.
00:44:22.410 --> 00:44:33.870 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think there's also a mentality of if I can do this, you better do it, too, but what i'm doing might look different than what someone else is doing anyway, if you look behind the curtain like what's in their life, you know.
00:44:34.770 --> 00:44:48.180 Frank R. Harrison: Well yeah I mean one statement that I have always said to my friends and family is that perception is everything now perception is not fact it is not the truth, but when it's collectively agreed upon and.
00:44:48.180 --> 00:44:55.380 Frank R. Harrison: Consensus, it becomes fact right well when you're dealing with constant change all you have is perception.
00:44:55.770 --> 00:45:04.890 Frank R. Harrison: And everybody becomes collectively popularizing or polarizing a viewpoint, about the pandemic, or about the way people should be working or living.
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:27.450 Frank R. Harrison: or dealing with treatment and it might be the wrong perception, but if everybody agrees it completely miss directs everyone, so the where we lack the ground to walk on, which is why, on my show I tell people I did an episode on normal crime, as I mentioned, live with this as a social disease.
00:45:27.540 --> 00:45:29.190 Eric Sarver, Esq.: live with the virus.
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:30.510 Frank R. Harrison: work with it.
00:45:31.350 --> 00:45:32.970 Frank R. Harrison: Look at it no I don't want to get it.
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.420 Frank R. Harrison: Yes, you want to do all the precautions to prevent receiving the infection.
00:45:36.810 --> 00:45:42.810 Frank R. Harrison: But you have to work with okay you're setting up your own boundaries, but i'm a human being, that has these boundaries.
00:45:43.020 --> 00:45:49.410 Frank R. Harrison: that need to be worked with So how do we collaborate together, that means everyone has to get a grip and be.
00:45:49.500 --> 00:45:56.070 Frank R. Harrison: in touch with the fact that this is a real virus and it has disrupted lives and livelihood.
00:45:56.580 --> 00:46:04.170 Frank R. Harrison: yeah and the best way that the laws can adjust to it employer laws even government laws and regulations.
00:46:04.530 --> 00:46:20.370 Frank R. Harrison: Are when they understand that this is that can be collaborated with this is actually an opportunity for all of us to be interconnected wins everybody has learned for decades and years to remain me myself first and.
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:24.540 Frank R. Harrison: Then the other, it only be narcissism and then narcissism.
00:46:24.540 --> 00:46:26.760 Frank R. Harrison: become the ramp that indicator of it all.
00:46:26.940 --> 00:46:42.030 Frank R. Harrison: Preventing a cure for this pandemic in a shorter amount of time and we end up with something, unlike, for example, wars 911 a gun violence, those are one time, events that ripple through months and whatever.
00:46:42.330 --> 00:46:42.930 Eric Sarver, Esq.: But this.
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:48.510 Frank R. Harrison: Is a life that not a lifelong, it is a two year pandemic that is still with a.
00:46:49.080 --> 00:46:49.800 Eric Sarver, Esq.: brave and if we.
00:46:50.160 --> 00:46:54.000 Frank R. Harrison: needed and we're living life healthy still.
00:46:55.140 --> 00:46:58.110 Frank R. Harrison: So we have become aware of it, and work with.
00:46:59.550 --> 00:47:04.920 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know it's a one thing for commercial bank it's like sometimes you hear the phrase kuvan key there's.
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:20.970 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Like sort of his light in the tunnel is just not there and I think people I see you look up as a nation on people's face resignation of associated with to see to quit to give up to to just put down, you know sort of, and so I think you should always take a commercial break we come back.
00:47:21.990 --> 00:47:27.540 Eric Sarver, Esq.: we're going to hear from frank about how he differences that lexi approach, I think a lot of that so far, but.
00:47:28.050 --> 00:47:36.660 Eric Sarver, Esq.: what's his approach to help people mental challenges and what are the goals and missions or frank about health so stick around talking to my sake, will be right back after this commercial break.
00:47:38.160 --> 00:47:39.870 Eric Sarver, Esq.: ready join us.
00:49:36.510 --> 00:49:38.490 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome back to employment law today.
00:49:40.410 --> 00:49:47.700 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And today, with our guest my guest frank Harrison has helped me media policy that hot topic and talk to.
00:49:48.810 --> 00:49:57.570 Eric Sarver, Esq.: frank, which is awesome platform in of itself and which kind of made me to my next question which is you know you're giving our audience excellent, I think.
00:49:58.080 --> 00:50:10.920 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Primary mental health and a lot of good information good good insights from wondering how you differ in your inaccuracy approach to helping those mental health challenges and were some of the goal admissions frank about now.
00:50:12.510 --> 00:50:27.240 Frank R. Harrison: My my differentiation of being a health advocate differs in just simply being myself as one has already been aware i'm not a medical professional not licensed to practice medicine, but I.
00:50:27.450 --> 00:50:39.330 Frank R. Harrison: Am a I have a psychology degree, with emphasis in neuro psych and I did, as I mentioned describe how I had to live with my parents during covert in quarantine while watching my father go through.
00:50:40.110 --> 00:50:48.840 Frank R. Harrison: Rehabilitation from prostate cancer, when I got COPD I had to hibernate from him to avoid him getting the disease and God forbid, making it a fatal experience for him.
00:50:49.230 --> 00:50:59.820 Frank R. Harrison: So all of that living experience made me come back to frank about health because they had been on the network before focused on epilepsy.
00:51:00.120 --> 00:51:01.230 Frank R. Harrison: But I talked to Sam.
00:51:01.230 --> 00:51:08.610 Frank R. Harrison: leibowitz you know about coming back on this new zoom platform to basically advocate coven 19.
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:24.930 Frank R. Harrison: or help help help to advocate for people how to live with it from all of the mandates and laws that were going on at the time, but then also to talk about other illnesses because mental health is driving a lot of the other illnesses that we're seeing and especially when.
00:51:24.930 --> 00:51:33.300 Frank R. Harrison: The moment cranberry came we have we noticed it was a mild illness and those people that were being hospitalized were hospitalized for a different reason.
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:45.000 Frank R. Harrison: Not because of coven 19 so The thing is, is that I always went about advocating it by making my listener, and my viewer advocate for themselves.
00:51:45.210 --> 00:51:45.810 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Stand up.
00:51:46.020 --> 00:51:54.690 Frank R. Harrison: and deal with the reality wake up to it as much as you can hopefully with a good support network of family and friends to be.
00:51:54.720 --> 00:52:06.300 Frank R. Harrison: able to make people go out there and use the hyper vigilance creatively getting the knowledge at ease the resources getting the information to try to live with this disease among other diseases.
00:52:06.540 --> 00:52:06.780 So.
00:52:08.550 --> 00:52:12.180 Frank R. Harrison: You know, on my show on Thursday, when you when you're my guest you're going.
00:52:12.210 --> 00:52:13.530 Eric Sarver, Esq.: To meet one of such.
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:23.280 Frank R. Harrison: Individuals who've been on my show as well, Dr phil is Quinlan who also is a professional nurse, and she works with an organization called share the care, which is in.
00:52:23.790 --> 00:52:41.640 Frank R. Harrison: caregiving advocacy and caregiving support groups for patients who are pretty much either in in special housing units, or possibly in nursing homes, but at the same time, you know, there are other people that when you have only your resources and not your licenses or degrees.
00:52:42.060 --> 00:52:42.780 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The way that.
00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:46.110 Frank R. Harrison: You use advocacy is through self reflection.
00:52:46.530 --> 00:52:52.260 Frank R. Harrison: and providing self experience and providing transparency.
00:52:52.560 --> 00:53:02.910 Frank R. Harrison: that most people are just not getting so by differentiation approach is just being transparent that's why I call the show frank be frank about health that's where we are.
00:53:03.720 --> 00:53:07.830 Frank R. Harrison: yeah, though, is it differs because we don't see that in traditional media today we just don't.
00:53:08.580 --> 00:53:19.890 Eric Sarver, Esq.: write it in French or Friday yeah I think you're ready for that I think it's that you know that I hear that phrase of power man and you help people to help themselves and.
00:53:20.340 --> 00:53:28.110 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And then I also know you talked about having a good support group and network, so I guess i'm I guess i'm hearing is like a balanced approach parts.
00:53:28.650 --> 00:53:41.760 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Of what i'm hearing correctly and self empowerment, but not dysfunctional overly self reliant and the proper one isolates help you know at a fearless about so it's like that balance I guess rate doesn't gain support.
00:53:41.910 --> 00:53:44.010 Eric Sarver, Esq.: But also get free.
00:53:44.790 --> 00:53:49.980 Frank R. Harrison: Yes, exactly work with your doctor as a colleague in the efforts to maintain your health.
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:51.180 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Not as.
00:53:51.270 --> 00:53:53.160 Frank R. Harrison: The person who tells you what to do.
00:53:53.730 --> 00:53:55.920 Frank R. Harrison: You know, not to be dependent on them.
00:53:56.490 --> 00:54:06.360 Frank R. Harrison: row work with your doctor your family member your own knowledge base also whenever treatments you go through, if you do alternative treatments, if you do exercise regimen.
00:54:06.750 --> 00:54:13.740 Frank R. Harrison: You know what and also try to get some clarity, especially with your perception like I said, without a foundation.
00:54:14.010 --> 00:54:21.300 Frank R. Harrison: which I think you'll still be a while before all of us, collectively, have a strong foundation and what life will be like post endemic.
00:54:21.570 --> 00:54:34.590 Frank R. Harrison: I feel that you need army by call this country, but you need your army of lawyers and then your army of doctors and your army other allies to bring the reality in place when it comes to your mental health.
00:54:35.700 --> 00:54:36.300 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Yes, right.
00:54:37.200 --> 00:54:41.730 Frank R. Harrison: I think one one thing I was asked when I did an episode a tribute to Betty white to.
00:54:43.080 --> 00:54:43.950 Frank R. Harrison: Go yesterday.
00:54:45.240 --> 00:54:47.550 Frank R. Harrison: I was there with recent big and who worked with.
00:54:48.720 --> 00:54:54.450 Frank R. Harrison: And we were talking about how just dealing with her whether it was in a professional situation or social situation.
00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:05.370 Frank R. Harrison: She brought a sense of self awareness that most people I think are just either not in touch with or probably is for lack of a better phrase sleep asleep for half the time but.
00:55:05.700 --> 00:55:06.930 Eric Sarver, Esq.: he wakes you up with her.
00:55:06.930 --> 00:55:13.290 Frank R. Harrison: process, you know that's an example that I think I subliminally role model from.
00:55:13.410 --> 00:55:14.850 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Because my interactions with.
00:55:14.850 --> 00:55:27.480 Frank R. Harrison: Her strong enough to make me realize that working for other companies was just going to be doable for me that much anymore, it would be where those companies would work with me, you know, like a partnership and that's.
00:55:27.600 --> 00:55:35.070 Frank R. Harrison: You know, I was working for Hilton hotels in 2016, but when I left them I wanted them to become my part and healthy media and so far.
00:55:35.070 --> 00:55:36.810 Frank R. Harrison: This seems like It may happen because.
00:55:37.080 --> 00:55:45.540 Frank R. Harrison: There is something which is where i've advocated during the pandemic they've turned their New York City hotels into essential worker sweet.
00:55:46.380 --> 00:55:53.670 Frank R. Harrison: Because of the burnout because of not wanting to go home to their families, after seeing 200 patients, whether they died right there, or whether they were.
00:55:54.180 --> 00:55:55.080 Eric Sarver, Esq.: carrying the virus.
00:55:55.620 --> 00:55:55.920 In.
00:55:59.070 --> 00:56:10.740 Frank R. Harrison: A healthcare worker waters, you know, and so they looked at healthy media as a way of reflection to keep their brand integrity, while at the same time thinking of their employees needs thinking.
00:56:10.770 --> 00:56:12.150 Eric Sarver, Esq.: of their tourism me.
00:56:12.450 --> 00:56:24.390 Frank R. Harrison: Thinking of their management team needs so that's why I think it's the perfect fit for the partnership going forward I I gave you that, in a nutshell, but I think what you'll discover when you're on the show on Thursday.
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:31.410 Frank R. Harrison: Is that you'll be able to see the medical point of view, from someone like bill is you know I.
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:38.010 Frank R. Harrison: don't because that also address the big resignation issue, especially for the healthcare worker, you will.
00:56:38.040 --> 00:56:39.000 Eric Sarver, Esq.: probably find a lot.
00:56:39.030 --> 00:56:43.770 Frank R. Harrison: Of that is after they had to deal with all of the numbers of mortality rates that.
00:56:44.820 --> 00:56:56.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: crazy over the last two years, absolutely absolutely look forward to that including me on the show with phyllis as well and it's great to hear your perspective quick question we're wrapping up.
00:56:56.850 --> 00:57:06.420 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The part one and part two, on Thursday, our audience night they love what you said they really like wow this is powerful stuff I think in touch with you what's your contact info leave us with today.
00:57:07.140 --> 00:57:20.070 Frank R. Harrison: Sure, well, they can get me at my gmail account frank about health one or two at gmail COM, they can look at my website www dot frank are Harrison calm.
00:57:20.370 --> 00:57:31.590 Frank R. Harrison: They can also look at my other website help hyphen E a sin media.com they'll actually see an interview I did with Hilton hotels during the pandemic.
00:57:31.890 --> 00:57:40.410 Frank R. Harrison: And they'll find me on my social media as well, but if they want to speak to me directly prank about health one or two at gmail COM is the best resource.
00:57:41.310 --> 00:57:51.540 Eric Sarver, Esq.: got it got it I think really a lot there you know really happy to you for that and a free reassessing and working in partnership with other links, especially Hilton I give them.
00:57:51.870 --> 00:57:59.820 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Credit if they're watching listening tonight for what they did with essential workers, I think, really spot on doing what people need knowing what's.
00:58:00.180 --> 00:58:05.610 Eric Sarver, Esq.: really important and so that's true that's you know great to hear and yeah so for those listening tonight.
00:58:06.120 --> 00:58:20.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: If you'd like to show we're going to continue this conversation on Thursday i'll be appearing on frank Shell frank about health right here, I talked to nyc at 5pm to 6pm Eastern standard time same time two days now.
00:58:20.940 --> 00:58:30.450 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So continuous pretty conversation be frank, one Thank you so much for being on with us tonight and let everyone know if you enjoy the show stick around us and richer than station.
00:58:30.930 --> 00:58:39.930 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Just affect the map Roi is up next I think 6pm we've got lots of great shows throughout the week we've got always Friday we've got.
00:58:41.100 --> 00:58:48.930 Eric Sarver, Esq.: shows about animals, animal lovers but Tommy did he sat and Valerie so again just want to let you know that you're listening to and watching employment law today.
00:58:49.290 --> 00:59:00.090 Eric Sarver, Esq.: i'm your host erick soccer employment law attorney my guest tonight frank Harrison and wishing everyone a happy healthy, safe evening, so thank you frank for shopping today.
00:59:00.720 --> 00:59:03.960 Frank R. Harrison: My pleasure and happy Chinese new year, a few tigers out there.
00:59:04.260 --> 00:59:18.270 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Yes, i'm Chinese New Year Indian and really yeah just great information people to really recognize and I think we are right on our time so perfect timing tonight and stay tuned and tune in next week at 5pm.
00:59:18.930 --> 00:59:19.710 Frank R. Harrison: Okay, all right.
00:59:20.340 --> 00:59:22.350 Frank R. Harrison: Thank you take care, see you Thursday.