Dismantle Racism with Rev. Dr. TLC

Thursday, January 6, 2022
Facebook Live Video from 2022/01/06 - Cultural Flipside

Facebook Live Video from 2022/01/06 - Cultural Flipside


2022/01/06 - Cultural Flipside

[NEW EPISODE] Cultural Flipside

The audience will gain a deeper understanding of the experiences within Latin and Latin American communities, and receive insight about how they can stop perpetuating the ideals and supporting systems that contribute to the oppression of those communities. 


The impact of anti-blackness and colorism has been worldwide. Those with lighter skin are systematically and culturally favored in virtually every community of color, including those of Latin descent. 


The supremacy of whiteness and Western culture has had significant effects on the ways that Latinx people are treated by others outside of their communities as well as how they interact with each other within. 


Join Rev. Dr. TLC and her guest, Daisy Torres, as they discuss colorism within the Latinx community, identifying as Puerto Rican, and the nuances of being born on the island versus the mainland, being bilingual versus speaking English only, and the struggles of imposter syndrome.



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Show Notes

Segment 1

Rev. Dr. TLC introduces her guest soon to be Dr. Daisy Torres. Rev. Dr. TLC talks about Daisy’s background. Having over 20 years in education, Daisy is dedicated to working with young people and being a voice for bilingual students. In 2019, Daisy published her first book I’ll See You On The Bridge, a bilingual children’s book that is great for pet lovers. She is the co-host of the podcast Cultural Flipside with former guest Kevin Booker. Daisy tells the audience how she became so passionate about her work and what keeps her grounded. She talks about her upbringing and how her parents instilled values shaped her as a student. Rev. Dr. TLC and Daisy discuss the issues in the education system and how they are not fully prepared for bilingual students. Before the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and Daisy discuss ways people of color show up and how they can perpetuate the cycle. They also mentioned how people of color are made to feel conscious of how they present themselves.

Segment 2

Rev. Dr. TLC and Daisy discuss how it’s common to see foriegn students not embrace their culture whether that be due to parental upbringing or the education system. Rev. Dr. TLC notices how the education system does not immerse it’s students in foriegn languages. Daisy mentions personal experiences of when authoritative figures suppress you from speaking their native language. Rev. Dr. TLC tells how it perpetuates the cycle of white supremacy and maintains the elitist mentality. Before the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and her guest Daisy mention ways the education system can embrace bilingual students. They also talk about the effects of not embracing bilingual students and how an individual can fall behind academically when they are not properly supported.

Segment 3

In this segment, Rev. Dr. TLC and Daisy discuss ways in which school systems can develop ways to get to know their students without stripping their culture, whether that be by suppressing them from speaking their native tongue or not having the tools to communicate with foreign students in their native tongue. Rev. Dr. TLC connects these issues to former students who were forced to repeat courses because their degree wasn’t good enough for western culture. “It’s time for educators to say” “enough is enough'', says Rev. Dr. TLC. It’s time to devote time and money into translators and other tools that can help support forigne students. Rev. Dr. TLC and Daisy segway the conversation to Daisy's book, I’ll See You On The Bridge. A bilingual children’s book that tells the story of a griefing boy who misses his dog, Lily. She created this book as a way to help educators and parents talk about grief with children. Before the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and Daisy discuss the issues of colorism within the Latinx community and the subtle comments or statements that are made within the community that perpetuate the cycle of glorifying western influences and culture.

Segment 4

In the last segment, Daisy talks about some practices she’s noticed within the education system that stems from colorism. She talks about not seeing enough darker skin leaders with a voice or platform. Before the end of the segment, Rev. Dr. TLC and Daisy discuss Daisy’s video podcast, Cultural Flipside. You can find the show on Facebook or Youtube. It’s a conversational show with professionals where they embrace their authentic self and talk about real issues within their communities. You can find Daisy Torres on Twitter or Facebook.


00:02:59.130 --> 00:03:17.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello hello, and welcome to dismantle racism, where our goal is to uncover dismantle and eradicate racism and create a world where racial equity is the norm, I am your host the Reverend Dr tlc today.

00:03:17.760 --> 00:03:25.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are going to be talking about the cultural flip side, which happens to be the name of the podcast as my.

00:03:25.950 --> 00:03:39.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The podcasts that my guest today host and so we'll talk a little bit about that today and we're going to be talking about colorism I know we've spoken about that, before, but this time we're going to talk about it.

00:03:39.570 --> 00:03:55.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: From the Latin X community, and so I want to invite you to enter into the space, as always, my preparing ourselves for the deep conversation that we're going to have inviting us to simply brief.

00:03:57.390 --> 00:04:08.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To take a moment to Center ourselves and find our breath, so if you're not driving along in your car and you want to close your eyes, I invite you to do that.

00:04:09.180 --> 00:04:14.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And to really tune into that which gives you life.

00:04:15.990 --> 00:04:19.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take a moment to connect with divine wisdom.

00:04:20.370 --> 00:04:29.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and your sacred intelligence, which is that divine part of you that helps you to make intelligent choices.

00:04:30.660 --> 00:04:38.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: read them the knowledge that these choices manifest your greatness, while helping others to manifest their greatness.

00:04:39.690 --> 00:04:49.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As you breathe in and out remind yourself that you are loved and that you are love itself.

00:04:51.060 --> 00:05:03.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Re then and out the knowledge that you are part of a shared humanity and carry within you the power to heal and to be a part of changing the status quo.

00:05:05.760 --> 00:05:06.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in.

00:05:07.830 --> 00:05:08.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And out an out.

00:05:09.900 --> 00:05:15.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Acknowledging the power of one contributes to the power of community.

00:05:16.380 --> 00:05:17.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: now take a deep breath in.

00:05:18.660 --> 00:05:21.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: inside out and less began.

00:05:23.670 --> 00:05:36.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: My guest today is the wonderful daisy Torres and we are going to be talking about the impact of anti blackness and colorism that is really worldwide.

00:05:37.380 --> 00:05:48.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Where those with lighter skin are systematically and culturally favored in virtually every community of color, including those of Latin descent.

00:05:48.900 --> 00:06:07.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It amazes me when I travel across the world and in countries, particularly where they will say we don't have an issue of racism, but yet I always see the darker person really at the bottom of the socio economic status most often.

00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:18.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But yet people think it's related to something else, so why is there this commonality, why is the supremacy of whiteness.

00:06:20.010 --> 00:06:24.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So significant every where we go.

00:06:25.890 --> 00:06:32.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So we're going to talk today with my guests Stacy Torres soon to be Dr.

00:06:32.370 --> 00:06:32.790 daisy.

00:06:34.230 --> 00:06:35.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're going to discuss.

00:06:35.910 --> 00:06:41.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: colorism and the latinx community but we're also going to be discussing something else.

00:06:41.910 --> 00:07:03.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because daisy is the director of services for multi lingual learners dual and world languages for the hartford public schools we're actually going to get into a little bit of what happens to students and individuals who are bilingual in this country, how do we treat those individuals.

00:07:05.190 --> 00:07:10.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How do we see white supremacy rear its ugly head, not just with white folks.

00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:19.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But with folks of color as well, when it comes to being bilingual and bilingual education.

00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:40.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: One of the other things I want to share, about daisy is that she has over 20 years of experience working in urban schools, whether it's as a teacher or a department at the Chair person or an administrator she has been dedicated to working with our young people.

00:07:42.090 --> 00:07:54.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In 2019 she published her first book, which is bilingual in both Spanish and English, it is a children's book and it's called i'll see you on the bridge.

00:07:54.840 --> 00:08:07.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And it's a heartfelt story about a young boy the beautiful and his beautiful relationship with his dog and pet loss, something that we all can identify with if we are pet lovers.

00:08:08.490 --> 00:08:20.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: She is the Co host of the podcast the cultural flip side with Kevin Booker who's also been a guest on the show, so I want to welcome to the show today daisy Torres.

00:08:21.870 --> 00:08:31.980 DAISY Torres: wow Thank you Dr avery for that wonderful introduction, I am very honored to be here this morning, this is just such a blessing Thank you so much for the invitation.

00:08:32.310 --> 00:08:42.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, thank you for honoring the invitation, so I want to just jump right into it, because there's so so much for us to talk about first and foremost, though.

00:08:43.350 --> 00:09:01.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To do this work that you do on looking at students in terms of bilingual and multi lingual education and also understanding colorism and the racism that exists within the latinx community that work can be so rewarding.

00:09:01.830 --> 00:09:04.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But it can also be daunting and so i'd like to.

00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:07.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: find out what grounds, you in this work.

00:09:09.150 --> 00:09:20.220 DAISY Torres: that's a great question and I think you know, for me, I think, I would like to tell a little story about who I am and how I identify and what brought me to the world of education and this work.

00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:30.660 DAISY Torres: So, for those of you who don't know me I you know i've been an educator as I as Dr avery mentioned for over 20 years i've been born and raised in Meriden Connecticut.

00:09:31.290 --> 00:09:45.120 DAISY Torres: born here in the states in the mainland, but my family is from Puerto Rico i'm very proud to be a Puerto Rican Latina very proud of my language and culture, and you know, for me, as growing up as.

00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:51.630 DAISY Torres: A student, I had the honor and privilege of having a really good education system.

00:09:52.470 --> 00:09:57.720 DAISY Torres: You know I know that's not the case for many of our students of color and so, for me, I want to talk about that for.

00:09:58.170 --> 00:10:06.690 DAISY Torres: For a reason, you know as a student my parents, you know, the way that they were brought up had a lot of impact on how I was raised as a student.

00:10:07.020 --> 00:10:16.500 DAISY Torres: And because of that experience it does shape who you are as an adult and so just to give you a quick background my mom came here from Puerto Rico with no English.

00:10:17.490 --> 00:10:30.540 DAISY Torres: She was you know, had a hard time in school ridicule, you know bullied just really made to feel inferior because she didn't know English she worked very hard and she worked.

00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:39.060 DAISY Torres: You know, really to to gain that English proficiency so that she could make a better life for herself and she did.

00:10:39.300 --> 00:10:46.860 DAISY Torres: She was able to move on to graduate and get a college degree, but it came with a lot of struggles and perseverance and some hard times.

00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:55.380 DAISY Torres: My dad, on the other hand, had a little bit of a different experience he came on board in New York went back and forth to Puerto Rico in the States.

00:10:55.710 --> 00:11:01.500 DAISY Torres: And he grew up more in a bilingual home where my grandfather had to learn the business had to learn English.

00:11:02.190 --> 00:11:12.090 DAISY Torres: And so, he learned both he grew up from very little learning both languages so very different experiences and I bring that to the table, because when they had me.

00:11:12.510 --> 00:11:29.760 DAISY Torres: They married and had me they came into that parenting in a very different approach and the approach was my mom was like I need her to really you know do well in school and have all the opportunities and things that I did not have so they raised me learning English first.

00:11:30.090 --> 00:11:34.320 DAISY Torres: I didn't learn Spanish i'm fully bilingual today, but that was not the case, as a.

00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:47.850 DAISY Torres: Child, and so I you know I, yes I bonita spoke to me in Spanish, and I was able to understand some words but I did not grow up in a bilingual home, in that sense, I had exposure to the language and that's many of our students here in the United States.

00:11:48.180 --> 00:11:57.630 DAISY Torres: they're called heritage learners right they're exposed to languages at home, they have the culture, but they may not necessarily be proficient in the language and not totally.

00:11:58.650 --> 00:12:10.230 DAISY Torres: described me, and so I grew up that way for for quite a few years and, and you know I bothered me by the time I got into high school that I didn't really understand that side that identity that I really thought I was missing.

00:12:10.740 --> 00:12:17.430 DAISY Torres: I learned the language I learned the culture, I went through studies in high school and college to really just.

00:12:18.780 --> 00:12:26.940 DAISY Torres: Get myself educated, so that I learned and it really impacted my work today because I wanted to make sure that students.

00:12:27.660 --> 00:12:32.880 DAISY Torres: When when they're growing up that they have pride in their culture and in their language and that they don't lose it.

00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:41.130 DAISY Torres: You know there's part of me that wishes, a lot of the wishes that I had had that from the very beginning, and this is why i'm so passionate about.

00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:56.070 DAISY Torres: Lifting multiculturalism bilingualism right and dual language programming, because it really does it brings value and asset to students, not only because of their cultural identity but it's a it's a.

00:12:56.400 --> 00:13:06.210 DAISY Torres: benefit to the work employment global literacy and I there's so many values and benefits to it that it has become my passion in my work today.

00:13:06.930 --> 00:13:18.360 DAISY Torres: it's not easy, because what what part of this work is advocacy and i'm very passionate about or who knows me knows i'm very passionate about this kind of work because.

00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:24.600 DAISY Torres: You have to stand up for children right this this kind of working with a half that i've always said when you went to education.

00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:37.410 DAISY Torres: it's not one of these jobs where it's like nine to five, and you kind of move through you have to love it will be very passionate about it, which I am and it's because I feel that I need to be a voice and be.

00:13:38.100 --> 00:13:46.260 DAISY Torres: You know, a strong advocate for students and families, so that they understand that you know that the importance and that.

00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:54.270 DAISY Torres: You know what we're doing in terms of educating their children is the right thing to do, i'll just give you this quick bit for a moment 20%.

00:13:54.600 --> 00:14:06.870 DAISY Torres: of people in the United States can converse in in two or more languages just 20% and even not you know when you look at countries like Europe right there up to 56% I think that number is even higher now.

00:14:07.140 --> 00:14:09.600 DAISY Torres: that's according to the US census, and when I.

00:14:09.630 --> 00:14:15.240 DAISY Torres: Think about that it's like we heard, we are way way behind here in the United States.

00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:15.900 DAISY Torres: Right.

00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:30.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I think part of that though daisy and we're gonna have to take a break in a few minutes, you said you said a lot in there, that I may go back and touch upon after the break, but I think a lot of that deals with supremacy still right because.

00:14:31.860 --> 00:14:44.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We see English as the predominant language and everybody must speak that we always hear people say why don't you speak English, even though our country is filled with filled with people.

00:14:45.330 --> 00:14:57.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who don't speak English and we can all we can learn how to speak other languages as well, but that that's about that supremacy right there isn't it, you must speak that so what I want to do.

00:14:58.770 --> 00:15:10.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is to really just unpack a lot of what you just said, and I do want to just point out right before we go to the break because this show is about uncovering.

00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:23.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and educating folks and there was something that you did that was very subtle when you spoke and I just want our audience, to be able to pick up on the ways in which we, as people of color.

00:15:25.050 --> 00:15:43.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: have to really think about who we are and how we show up every single day, and we also have to think about the assumptions now, you may not even have been cognizant cognizant that you did this, but you said when my parents had me and then you went back and said married and had me.

00:15:44.460 --> 00:15:54.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: there's an assumption for people of color that our parents have us out of wedlock and it's such a subtle thing that you did to just correct that in that moment.

00:15:55.350 --> 00:16:06.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A part of that is about racism and white supremacy, because what we do, as people of color particularly people of color who are.

00:16:07.620 --> 00:16:18.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: At a higher socio economic status, maybe, and maybe even other folks as well, but I know those of us who are leaders will often have to make sure that we are presenting.

00:16:19.410 --> 00:16:31.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who, we are in a way that says i'm not this person over here that you think I am not that there's anything wrong with that either, but the point is.

00:16:32.250 --> 00:16:44.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are always having to think about how we present to the world, and so I just wanted to point that out as a teachable moment just for those people who are listening how subtle it was, but how it was something that.

00:16:45.180 --> 00:16:52.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That I picked up on, because I know it's a something that we have to do, but we're going to take a really quick break and we're going to come back and unpack.

00:16:53.250 --> 00:17:10.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Some of the things that you said there and continue our discussion on multilingual and bilingual experiences in this country, my guest today is daisy Torres I am your host Reverend Dr tlc, and this is dismantle racism we'll be right back.

00:19:25.860 --> 00:19:40.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with my guest today daisy Torres daisy before the break you quoted us a statistics on about 20% of the people in this country being bilingual and It made me really.

00:19:41.550 --> 00:19:58.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: think a lot about the ways in which we pressure people to speak English in this country there's no openness to folks to us even learning something else, so, so we will say you have to take a Spanish school, you have to take foreign language that's what we say.

00:19:59.190 --> 00:20:11.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we really don't teach people to immerse themselves in the language of their choosing, so I took Spanish in high school I took Spanish in college, I am not bilingual.

00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:21.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: my daughter, on the other hand, is she's I wouldn't call her bilingual yet, but she is my entering in Spanish in college and she did spend some time.

00:20:22.560 --> 00:20:37.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: abroad, so that helped to immerse her in it, and I feel that there are ways in which we superficially tell people that they need to learn another language, but also when you spoke about your parents experience.

00:20:37.950 --> 00:20:47.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your parents were really it's like no other choice but I have to learn this and one of the things that I witness happening, when I worked in the school system.

00:20:48.390 --> 00:20:58.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is that, just like you said then parents didn't necessarily teach their kids their native language kids could understand it, but.

00:20:58.800 --> 00:21:07.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They didn't necessarily speak it that's a stripping of one's identity and culture and heritage.

00:21:08.280 --> 00:21:21.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The other thing that I witness happening so there, there are multiple things I witness when kids would speak in Spanish in school or, particularly when I worked in the juvenile delinquent facility people would say.

00:21:21.630 --> 00:21:26.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: don't speak Spanish because I don't understand what you're saying, and you might be plotting.

00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:34.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that's racist in and of itself, sometimes people just converse in the in their native language, because it's easier.

00:21:34.860 --> 00:21:42.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The other thing that I witnessed happening from a school perspective is that there would be times that I would be in a meeting with a student.

00:21:43.560 --> 00:21:48.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and their parents and the student was translating for the parents.

00:21:49.440 --> 00:22:00.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That, then, changes the power dynamics so there's so many things that go into what you are speaking of, and I would love you as an educator just to.

00:22:01.530 --> 00:22:23.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Maybe touch upon even just the power dynamics with students and and and also how that impacts, the parent and how it impacts students learning when parents essentially just say, well, the school wants them to learn English, and this is the way that they have to go so learn English.

00:22:24.570 --> 00:22:25.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: talk to me about that.

00:22:28.470 --> 00:22:31.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm actually you're on mute take yourself up.

00:22:32.040 --> 00:22:32.640 DAISY Torres: There we go.

00:22:33.750 --> 00:22:41.880 DAISY Torres: get it in there, we go so yeah what you're describing Dr avery is exactly what you just mentioned that's a deficit mindset that.

00:22:42.420 --> 00:22:49.740 DAISY Torres: We often encounter in the school system, you know the reality is our school system isn't designed to.

00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:58.410 DAISY Torres: embrace the multiculturalism right, as it is right now and i'm just going to i'm going to be honest about that i've worked in a few districts i've worked in three districts in Connecticut.

00:22:58.860 --> 00:23:05.730 DAISY Torres: And you know we have a very English only approach, and it has a has been this way you know.

00:23:06.570 --> 00:23:13.980 DAISY Torres: In the system for for quite a few years it's only been recently that you're starting to see a little pockets of.

00:23:14.490 --> 00:23:26.490 DAISY Torres: embracing multiculturalism and bilingualism, for example, a new initiative that the State adjust adopted it in 2017 and the State Department of Education is called the seal of by literacy.

00:23:26.790 --> 00:23:36.930 DAISY Torres: And that seal is given to graduating seniors on their high school diploma it's an actual seal that says Connecticut cielo by literacy and it's given to seniors graduating students who.

00:23:37.470 --> 00:23:45.930 DAISY Torres: There it's an honor it's demonstrating their proficiency in a language other than English and, in some cases, some students have have mastered to.

00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:52.530 DAISY Torres: other languages, besides English therefore making them trilingual and so in in hartford public schools, for example.

00:23:52.890 --> 00:24:00.150 DAISY Torres: We are you know, one of the leaders in this work, because we have such a large population or one of the largest school districts in Connecticut.

00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:07.020 DAISY Torres: But I bring that to the table, because it's just been recent right we're starting you know the research has been around for years.

00:24:07.290 --> 00:24:14.580 DAISY Torres: around you know the you know the importance of maintaining your home language and how that if you do develop.

00:24:14.850 --> 00:24:24.300 DAISY Torres: Those skills in the native language they only help you when you are acquiring this next you English right there actually your transfer skills.

00:24:24.660 --> 00:24:31.800 DAISY Torres: And so, when you learn to read, for example, you only learn to read in one language you just transferring those skills into the new language so.

00:24:32.070 --> 00:24:47.070 DAISY Torres: I think what happens in education is there's not a lot of understanding around the research and i'll give you another example, having been in an education prep program at the university when I became a teacher, I only had to take one course.

00:24:47.580 --> 00:24:48.750 DAISY Torres: One course on.

00:24:48.930 --> 00:24:51.960 DAISY Torres: How to work with students whose first language is not English.

00:24:52.290 --> 00:25:04.560 DAISY Torres: And, given the growing population, the last 15 years i've identified multilingual lawyers, there should be absolutely more work at the university levels and alternate route programs to better prepare.

00:25:05.190 --> 00:25:12.750 DAISY Torres: Our future teachers with that understanding because i'll tell you I was an elementary school teacher my I remember my beginning is, I did not know anything.

00:25:13.050 --> 00:25:23.940 DAISY Torres: about how to work with diverse student populations right, and so I think when we have many of our educators who unfortunately don't have that background they're working with families and they're just pushing.

00:25:24.150 --> 00:25:33.210 DAISY Torres: The English that they're working there and i'll be honest it's not a place of malice it's a place of sometimes I don't know right better.

00:25:33.600 --> 00:25:43.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I get that I get that but i'm going to tell you I think i'm a little bit older than you and I can remember when I was in college in the 80s when they were already talking about the changing population, so there.

00:25:43.770 --> 00:25:44.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really isn't.

00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: an excuse, and this is where I think racism.

00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:48.600 DAISY Torres: comes into play.

00:25:48.870 --> 00:26:04.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because we have been ignorant for far too long, or you're playing ignorant for far too long, because we've known that the country is changing, so why are we not pushing education that teaches about diversity, I know that that.

00:26:05.250 --> 00:26:11.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, as an adjunct Professor whenever i'm teaching a class, even if the class is not related to race.

00:26:11.490 --> 00:26:21.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm teaching my students about race and racism in this country and how things are different for different populations, because if we do not.

00:26:21.870 --> 00:26:27.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That our students don't know and then the other travesty is when students take one class.

00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:41.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They take the one class they get out and they began to work so some will say I don't know enough and then others think that they know it all from taking the one class and then they get out and they make these horrible deadly.

00:26:41.310 --> 00:26:52.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: mistakes and when i'm, and I mean deadly from a mental perspective because you can actually do a lot to really help students to feel less than.

00:26:53.040 --> 00:26:54.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right and.

00:26:54.600 --> 00:27:03.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Make students feel unworthy and one of the things that that often happens, there are two things that I want to just speak to for what from what you're saying and.

00:27:03.750 --> 00:27:20.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: One is this is that often when at home parents don't teach the kids the language, because they want them to learn English because that's what the school is pushing what I have witnessed is that students, then actually are not proficient in any times because.

00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:21.540 DAISY Torres: they'll do a.

00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:30.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: version of English and Spanish and they speak that but they don't know how to do the English or the Spanish because they're not being taught.

00:27:31.080 --> 00:27:35.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Properly you know when that happens, and so our school system.

00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:45.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: has to do something about that, but even at home, we have to begin to embrace a little bit more of our heritage, but that's hard to do when it comes with trauma.

00:27:46.110 --> 00:28:00.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I say trauma because there's significant trauma when you come to this country and you don't speak English and you have to deal with what other people are throwing at you constantly okay.

00:28:00.540 --> 00:28:05.070 DAISY Torres: yeah I, and I completely agree with what you're saying I think parents, you know people who are coming and.

00:28:05.550 --> 00:28:11.280 DAISY Torres: immigrating here from different countries, they have a lot going on already right there in trusting the.

00:28:11.730 --> 00:28:21.450 DAISY Torres: You know the education system to take care of their children right while they're trying to do all their pieces of work and find housing and you know do those pieces to take care of their family.

00:28:21.750 --> 00:28:31.800 DAISY Torres: And so you know you're right there's a lot of work that needs to be done on that that part of around educating our families to to don't let don't lose that at home.

00:28:32.070 --> 00:28:40.560 DAISY Torres: Right continue to read to your child in your home language continue to talk build up those social skills, because again we'll take care of.

00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:47.220 DAISY Torres: getting them the academic language his skill set in English, will take care of that school, but we don't want you to.

00:28:48.150 --> 00:28:59.640 DAISY Torres: To to strip them, as you mentioned, of that you know me being one of those that had that experience I don't want to see that and so that part of my work as as an educator is to continually.

00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:07.800 DAISY Torres: You know, speak to parents educate have you know some you know parent meetings webinars you know face to face when we.

00:29:08.250 --> 00:29:15.060 DAISY Torres: prepare them right, I really try to help families to understand that and I will say to your point earlier.

00:29:15.450 --> 00:29:25.680 DAISY Torres: Yes, this is, this is not new information we've seen all the research for years, I mean I remember the days when my teeth on bilingual education was in the basement of schools like to be hidden away.

00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:26.820 DAISY Torres: Right, we have.

00:29:26.850 --> 00:29:36.960 DAISY Torres: evolved we you know it's nowhere near where it should be we've come a long way there's a lot of work to be done, but I personally, given the number of.

00:29:37.800 --> 00:29:49.590 DAISY Torres: You know of students in our state of Connecticut the fact that we don't have more bilingual type programs to continue to build those academic skills so that students can graduate.

00:29:50.370 --> 00:30:00.300 DAISY Torres: With more than one language is just to me still very surprising as an educator and my I wonder right by the time I retire what will happen.

00:30:00.690 --> 00:30:11.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: rate, you know we're coming up on a break again, but I do want to if we can when we come back I do also want to.

00:30:12.510 --> 00:30:24.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: know your opinion or get your thoughts around the other thing that I witness to two things, and they are that the opposite one i've witnessed students.

00:30:26.070 --> 00:30:35.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: come from a different country and they may come from a different country as a middle schooler or a high schooler and people will think that they're that.

00:30:36.870 --> 00:30:46.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: let's say they're at a C level when they're actually at an elite level because they may not be grasping the material because of the language barrier and what i've noticed.

00:30:46.800 --> 00:30:58.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is that either they're diagnosed with a disability, because I worked on the school as a school psychologist or maybe not diagnose, but just put in a lower level reading class or math class.

00:30:58.860 --> 00:31:06.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And it's not that they were incapable of learning, it was the language barrier and so there's a sadness around that because that means that.

00:31:06.810 --> 00:31:10.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: they're not being educated on the flip side.

00:31:10.710 --> 00:31:18.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I have also witnessed students who've come from another country who could not speak the language and ends up graduating with honors.

00:31:18.600 --> 00:31:32.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because of something that was poured into those students and even their own tenacity, to say i'm going to learn this English i'm going to learn to adapt so when we come back from the break i'd love for you to.

00:31:33.930 --> 00:31:41.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just give us your thoughts on that as well because it's so important in our understanding of.

00:31:41.760 --> 00:31:57.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How these young people are seeing in schools and how they also learn to navigate those school systems so we're going to be right back with my guest today daisy Taurus i'm your host Reverend Dr tlc, this is the dismantle racism show will be right that.

00:34:03.210 --> 00:34:10.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with dismantle racism my guest today is daisy Torres daisy before the break.

00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:22.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I brought up some issues around students who come to this country who speak limited English and those who are misplaced or an underserved in education.

00:34:23.370 --> 00:34:33.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As well as those who figured out how to navigate the system and become honor students So could you speak to that just a little bit in terms of your experience with these students.

00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:47.460 DAISY Torres: Yes, absolutely Thank you there is absolutely an over identification of students who are identified as multilingual learners in special education in our schools today, and I think a lot of that has to do.

00:34:47.850 --> 00:34:56.460 DAISY Torres: With the fact that we have to really understand the student holistically right where we need to understand.

00:34:57.270 --> 00:35:07.650 DAISY Torres: Where the students coming from the educational experiences in the home country speaking to the parents, the families understanding trauma and any.

00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:17.010 DAISY Torres: You know experience that they may have had immigrated to this country and there's a lot when that goes into the identification process that I think.

00:35:17.910 --> 00:35:24.990 DAISY Torres: is overlooked in terms of really getting a full picture of the student before we just moved to.

00:35:25.710 --> 00:35:34.170 DAISY Torres: identifying a student right, for example, there are assessments that can be provided to students in their home language.

00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:44.880 DAISY Torres: As you know, and I know it's not available in every language, but you know even in your top two or three, we need to start thinking about how do we really get to understand where the student.

00:35:45.180 --> 00:35:53.820 DAISY Torres: What does a student know right we can't really know that and tease that out, unless you let them do that in their language right if you're really trying to understand.

00:35:54.060 --> 00:36:03.540 DAISY Torres: You know what a student knows versus what they you know, can you know understand that to that route right by looking at the content, the skills right before we're making determinations.

00:36:04.050 --> 00:36:14.280 DAISY Torres: You know, and I always say really be basically get to know the student, what are the students strengths, what are the assets you start thinking from that perspective versus.

00:36:15.150 --> 00:36:23.760 DAISY Torres: Negative deficit, one thing that I noticed that it has been also very interesting in my years of experience as an educator is the transcript evaluation.

00:36:24.240 --> 00:36:33.690 DAISY Torres: Here, like when a student comes in, from another country and we have coursework let's say that they have taken X amount of years of math we have it on the transcript it says they have the great.

00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:38.310 DAISY Torres: I mean, we have a number, where we can contact and get it, maybe get a somebody to translate to.

00:36:38.550 --> 00:36:52.950 DAISY Torres: You know if you wanted to further get information, but what i'm struggling with is how many of our students in high school or having to repeat courses, because our system is saying that the coursework that they took is not good enough or ballot and I have a.

00:36:53.190 --> 00:36:56.610 DAISY Torres: problem with that, yes, because that that elite is i'm right.

00:36:56.610 --> 00:37:06.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That yet white supremacy that we're going under daisy as I hear you talk, though, one of the things that strikes me is that there are not enough bilingual.

00:37:06.750 --> 00:37:08.520 DAISY Torres: assessors or evaluators.

00:37:08.730 --> 00:37:17.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Or is that there's funding that's needed to do that, so I think about the district that I used to work in that lots of students who our Haitian.

00:37:17.790 --> 00:37:18.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Or we have.

00:37:18.660 --> 00:37:30.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: students who came from multiple countries in South America, I mean just everywhere, and so there were not enough translators in so.

00:37:30.330 --> 00:37:49.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We find that we need more money to do some of these things that we're talking about and we need more people saying, enough is enough so for the teachers who are in the school system to be able to rally to to say enough is enough, because when they are assessing a student in their classroom.

00:37:50.610 --> 00:38:08.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If they've not had a class in college like you said or multiple classes in college and if they're not on lingual themselves, they really can't assess the students and I really want us to understand the those who are listening, today this isn't about bashing teachers or the.

00:38:08.670 --> 00:38:23.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Educational this is really about helping us to uncover the ways in which we under under educate our students and then, when those students get out they aren't prepared to work in the world and the way that.

00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:34.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They need to work in the world to thrive in the world, not just survive, and so this is a problem that we see daily as it relates to.

00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:46.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just mono lingual education is what I would call it, we could stay on this forever, but i'd like to do a to shift us a little bit.

00:38:46.590 --> 00:38:57.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In terms of because I don't want to talk about this colorism and how we see things even within our own communities, but before shifting I know you wrote your book that's.

00:38:57.390 --> 00:39:15.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Also bilingual and the purposes of that i'm assuming is to really enhance the the individuals understanding, culturally, but also the people that have a book that looks like them, but you can say more about your book before we shift into it, please.

00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:24.420 DAISY Torres: No problem Thank you so much in 2019 I published my first time book my first children's book i'm so excited it's called i'll see you on the bridge.

00:39:24.750 --> 00:39:29.340 DAISY Torres: And you know I wrote the book it came from a place actually to deal with grief.

00:39:29.790 --> 00:39:40.710 DAISY Torres: Because it's based on a true story, it is based on my son's a relationship with our family dog lily and he was super attached to her they had a beautiful relationship, I mean it was.

00:39:41.040 --> 00:39:53.400 DAISY Torres: Everybody commented, and just how touching and how rewarding it was it was just like a child right she was a member of our family and those who are out there who are listening or pet owners can totally relate, of how.

00:39:54.210 --> 00:40:05.760 DAISY Torres: Important our pets are to us, and so you know at when lily past, you know I wrote the book, because I was dealing with as an adult I was dealing with extreme grief.

00:40:06.330 --> 00:40:11.310 DAISY Torres: With that passing and if I was experiencing that I could imagine what it would be like for children.

00:40:11.700 --> 00:40:22.920 DAISY Torres: And I want, I decided to write the book to help caregivers teachers parents right have a way to talk about grief because grief is a natural process of life.

00:40:23.160 --> 00:40:30.780 DAISY Torres: Right, but we don't always have to look at it from you know, a deep sadness, yes, initially that's what's going to happen, but it can also be looked at as a point of.

00:40:31.110 --> 00:40:42.900 DAISY Torres: You know, peace and a way of moving on and so the book, you know talks about all of those pieces and, at the end, it really refers to you know how the little boy comes to terms with the.

00:40:43.200 --> 00:40:50.460 DAISY Torres: Passing of lily and it was important for me also to to connect to my culture and to my roots and I wanted to make this book.

00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:57.180 DAISY Torres: accessible to offer him is right in the bilingual community, so I wanted it to be written in Spanish in English.

00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:05.550 DAISY Torres: And you know it's something that can can really help I always thought it was just for younger students, but it has been read in middle schools adults.

00:41:05.970 --> 00:41:17.670 DAISY Torres: people seem to really take to it and said I love that you know, and I was able to practice my Spanish so it has really been a blessing to many people and so i'm really proud of that work.

00:41:17.910 --> 00:41:19.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, congratulations.

00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:26.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: On your book and and all the ways in which is helping people as well, and so we're we're very appreciative of.

00:41:26.970 --> 00:41:27.300 That.

00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:42.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: daisy now let's let's talk about colorism in the Latin Latin next Community I you know, again, I can remember talking with a few friends of mine to.

00:41:42.750 --> 00:41:56.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Maybe we're from Dr or some other place like that, and they would say we don't have you know we don't have racism and then I would go to events and those events I would see one person who was at my color.

00:41:56.490 --> 00:41:57.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Other than me.

00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:12.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, and it doesn't mean anything, it could just mean it might just mean that they only have family that's a certain to you, but then I would also hear those people making statements about other people who happened to be a little bit darker.

00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:24.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But they weren't making it based on race, they were making it based on grouping them in some way um so talk to me about what you notice in the Latin community.

00:42:25.230 --> 00:42:40.980 DAISY Torres: Well, I do think colorism is alive and well, and a lot in next Community as well i'll just start off with saying you know I you know when you're when you're talking about colors and you also have to really look at your own self identity right and I completely.

00:42:42.330 --> 00:42:54.030 DAISY Torres: understand my privilege as being a very light skinned Latina and I understand where where what doors are has opened for me in certain spaces right i'm completely aware of that.

00:42:54.810 --> 00:43:08.430 DAISY Torres: And you know my in my culture and and even some of my family events absolutely, it seems, you know that we are favoring that lighter skinned an angel, for example.

00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:18.660 DAISY Torres: I you know get often told you know, be careful, on the sun, you know you don't want to get too dark and and there's these underlining tones and and you know.

00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:27.750 DAISY Torres: comments, if you will, that are are you know said, you know about how you got to be careful.

00:43:28.050 --> 00:43:34.020 DAISY Torres: about being dark right and we know the history, at least where i'm going to speak from my background of being Puerto Rican.

00:43:34.230 --> 00:43:46.680 DAISY Torres: You know, we are a mix right, we are a mix of Spanish from you know Spain Spaniards, we are indigenous population, and we also have African American with all mixed in right given all the history.

00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:58.920 DAISY Torres: That had happened in Puerto Rico many years ago and I, you know we're aware of that and I embrace I, like my mother is very tan skin, she has that that that indigenous right.

00:43:59.640 --> 00:44:14.250 DAISY Torres: coming through or you could sit that long dark hair she's beautiful right and then oftentimes you know you hear comments from her in the park and she talks a lot about the experiences that she had younger about in comparison to her siblings.

00:44:14.520 --> 00:44:15.750 DAISY Torres: were very lighter skin.

00:44:15.750 --> 00:44:24.030 DAISY Torres: My I have many aunts who right and how she was treated a certain way, but yet in our culture, for some reason it's not it's not as talked about.

00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:25.110 DAISY Torres: Right it's not as.

00:44:25.140 --> 00:44:37.140 DAISY Torres: Right it's subtle it's indirect it's comments right that that often happen and i'll give you something that has happened to me, too, and not necessarily about skin color but just about.

00:44:37.770 --> 00:44:46.170 DAISY Torres: To get an understanding of what happens and sometimes you know the Latino community as well, sometimes I often get to that you are.

00:44:46.650 --> 00:44:57.570 DAISY Torres: Are you really Puerto Rican right, you were born on the mainland right you don't really look Puerto Rican you look like what does that mean I don't look Puerto Rican right.

00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:10.410 DAISY Torres: And, and I wander around you know some of these statements and comments, but it goes to show you that it happens within our own culture as well, when we talk about colors.

00:45:10.830 --> 00:45:16.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So that's an interesting statement that you just said, because I think that for many of us.

00:45:17.250 --> 00:45:34.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Depending on our cultural heritage, like when I if I go to to Africa, for instance, anywhere in Africa, I I would be told you're not African right there are people here who are let's say Italian and American if they go to Italy they're like.

00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:35.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you're not Italian.

00:45:35.970 --> 00:45:41.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And really again that begs to say what is it that you're actually saying.

00:45:41.070 --> 00:45:42.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Things to me.

00:45:42.510 --> 00:45:55.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right, but I understand it, when you talk about the subtle things that people say, for instance, and I don't know if this is a thing in the Latin community but.

00:45:56.160 --> 00:46:03.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In our community in the African community in the black Community one of the things that people often say is Oh, you have good hair.

00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:17.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The hair is such a big thing not understanding that when you talk about that good hair because it's curly or it's whatever it is what you're actually saying is good because it's closer to whiteness.

00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: mm hmm, and so I.

00:46:19.650 --> 00:46:26.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm guessing the subtle things that you hear in your community as well you know.

00:46:26.580 --> 00:46:29.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Correct that so so we have to actually take another quick.

00:46:29.730 --> 00:46:34.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: break when we come back if you can speak a little bit more about what are some other.

00:46:34.770 --> 00:46:44.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Examples of colorism and what are some ways that that you try to educate folks and navigate that whole system as well.

00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:50.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back with my guest today daisy Torres.

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00:48:51.060 --> 00:49:06.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with dismantle racism daisy before the break, we were talking about colorism and some of the ways that it shows up in the Latin next community, and I wonder what you have noticed around.

00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:18.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who gets what positions what jobs, I mean even within the Community and ways that people are favorite because we know that we see it as it relates to.

00:49:19.140 --> 00:49:37.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who companies decide to hire you know what Latin folks they decide to hire versus another group that they want, but within the Community, what do you see showing up as it relates to who, who is supported and who gets what positions who's the leader, etc.

00:49:41.250 --> 00:49:43.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I believe you're muted you're muted.

00:49:43.830 --> 00:49:55.890 DAISY Torres: Thank you, I think, within the education systems, I want to speak from that lens again and i'll tell you that you know I think what's showing up a lot in spaces is.

00:49:57.540 --> 00:50:09.180 DAISY Torres: People who either identify as a lighter you know, a skin tone in terms of their race, but I also think, just in spaces of education we don't have enough people of color.

00:50:09.510 --> 00:50:15.180 DAISY Torres: Who are in those spaces to make decisions and where you do see unwittingly, where you do see.

00:50:16.140 --> 00:50:23.430 DAISY Torres: People of color that are in power positions, who can help change policy and make decisions are usually in those districts also.

00:50:23.730 --> 00:50:30.600 DAISY Torres: who have who may have high numbers of students of color and we're not seeing enough in spaces right where.

00:50:31.080 --> 00:50:39.510 DAISY Torres: Students can benefit from seeing all kinds of leaders right at the table and we're not seeing enough of that so in my work, I you know.

00:50:39.900 --> 00:50:44.760 DAISY Torres: It talks a little bit about for me, sometimes you wonder, like in my position.

00:50:45.090 --> 00:50:52.950 DAISY Torres: You know I know that i'm qualified and I know that I, you know I am highly educated and and I am entitled to this role, but sometimes you wonder in certain spaces.

00:50:53.250 --> 00:50:57.540 DAISY Torres: Am I getting a position, such as this is because i'm laughing and i'm bilingual.

00:50:58.050 --> 00:51:09.420 DAISY Torres: Right and you and you have to wonder which kind of goes a little bit into like imposter syndrome right where you're starting to doubt sometimes where you're in spaces, where there's power positions, whether.

00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:16.860 DAISY Torres: Your voices is there and how you get to those power positions because it did the dynamics, there are very difficult.

00:51:17.040 --> 00:51:18.420 DAISY Torres: To get to level.

00:51:19.170 --> 00:51:27.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so daisy I just want to say this, one thing, just as a person of color to another person of color who has walked in those spaces.

00:51:28.050 --> 00:51:38.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If they want to hire you because you're a person of color and bilingual let them hire you and be then be surprised at the power that comes with that because I would have people.

00:51:38.700 --> 00:51:52.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To say to me, which is races in and of itself Oh, they only have you in that position because you're black and I would think haha I have a PhD I wonder if that has anything to do with it, this is what I would say to myself.

00:51:52.590 --> 00:52:07.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And then I would think if that is their ignorance to hire me to be in that position they don't know what they're in for because i'm not coming to sit on the sidelines and not give you my opinion and my value so they want to do that daisy.

00:52:07.500 --> 00:52:08.370 DAISY Torres: Let them do it.

00:52:08.580 --> 00:52:09.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: don't have the impossible.

00:52:11.010 --> 00:52:22.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Be who you are, which is dynamic woman of color who is bilingual who is brilliant and who is capable of you know, changing the world and so.

00:52:22.770 --> 00:52:24.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm going to leave you with that for today.

00:52:25.650 --> 00:52:39.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because I know that our time is going daisy speak to me about the cultural flip side because and we've actually been talking about the cultural flip side throughout this whole show but talk to me because I know you do.

00:52:40.050 --> 00:52:42.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This podcast and you're addressing these issues.

00:52:43.080 --> 00:52:46.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: All the time so tell our audience a little bit about it.

00:52:47.310 --> 00:53:00.000 DAISY Torres: Yes, thank you so much, the cultural flip side is a video podcast that we stream through Facebook and YouTube and it's a local podcast in which me.

00:53:00.690 --> 00:53:08.790 DAISY Torres: i'm a Co host with Kevin local junior, as you mentioned, and we are to educators kind of works in the higher ED world and I work in K 12.

00:53:09.150 --> 00:53:21.930 DAISY Torres: And we really like to bring on guests, to really talk about cultural issues, it could be language, it could be raised it could be politics could be Community issues that are surfacing that we feel like needs to be.

00:53:22.950 --> 00:53:30.060 DAISY Torres: talked about recently we talked about health care in the pandemic right and how it's affecting affecting certain communities of color.

00:53:30.630 --> 00:53:37.710 DAISY Torres: We we we have the podcast we record weekly every Tuesday night it comes out on Facebook.

00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:45.630 DAISY Torres: we've been doing a little over a year now and it's it's a great experience I think we've had some amazing and phenomenal guests on our show.

00:53:46.260 --> 00:53:59.940 DAISY Torres: To really just talk and be their true authentic selves and and share their stories we find that the power of stories are so important, and it resonates so much with our our viewers on so yeah and we're we're really proud of that.

00:54:00.030 --> 00:54:03.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That platform and how did you come up with the name the culture website.

00:54:03.810 --> 00:54:15.060 DAISY Torres: That actually was a I was ironically, the way I got onto the show was I was a guest on the show and there Kevin actually was on the show, and he came up with the name first.

00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:22.020 DAISY Torres: And he wanted something that really encompass he wanted to talk about keep it, you know culturally centered.

00:54:22.710 --> 00:54:36.150 DAISY Torres: And you know he wanted to you know just flip on to what typical podcasts are, and you know we have prayer in our podcast we usually have some jokes and talk about you know just everyday world you wanted it to be just really.

00:54:36.570 --> 00:54:45.480 DAISY Torres: Not to you know, yes we're at you know, in a professional setting it is professional but we wanted it to be a little bit you know laid back as well, so people can connect and.

00:54:46.170 --> 00:54:53.280 DAISY Torres: You know, we wanted to show people are other side as well, so we that's how we came up with the name, he did actually and I love it.

00:54:54.210 --> 00:55:07.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I love the premise of your show, because you know what you are doing is embracing fully your culture and and your identity and who you are, I mean even from the point that you're saying of your including prayer.

00:55:08.040 --> 00:55:09.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In it, because that's a part.

00:55:09.630 --> 00:55:21.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Of who you are, and when we think about really people of color color tend to be very spiritual doesn't mean that we're always practicing a particular religion but we come from this place where.

00:55:22.230 --> 00:55:33.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We honor the land, we honor spirit in the land, we honor it even in the people that we engage with we it's just such a part of who we are.

00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:40.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I think that we miss out on that whether it's in the education system in corporations wherever we are when we.

00:55:41.490 --> 00:55:59.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When we refuse to embrace the individual and who they are really quickly daisy before we run out of time is there anything else that you'd like to say to our audience that we we didn't cover around any of the topics or or anything else.

00:56:00.690 --> 00:56:08.880 DAISY Torres: No, I just wanted to you know Thank you again, Dr amy for this opportunity anytime that you can get people together like I mentioned to share their stories.

00:56:09.180 --> 00:56:22.320 DAISY Torres: To speak freely openly honestly to be their true authentic selves really is when you begin to for some people it's a healing process and for others it's a way to just.

00:56:22.890 --> 00:56:28.530 DAISY Torres: You know, get things off your chest and it's a way to educate and empower people, and I really think that.

00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:38.190 DAISY Torres: You know, whenever we can you know do that whether it's at in your in your space at work, whether it's in your own home personally whether it's.

00:56:38.550 --> 00:56:42.810 DAISY Torres: In through podcasts or social media platforms, I think that power.

00:56:43.230 --> 00:56:56.580 DAISY Torres: is really important in terms of helping you never know what you're going what word is going to bless or help someone or what what part of your story is resonating with someone out there right and I, and I really feel.

00:56:57.300 --> 00:57:04.350 DAISY Torres: That these platforms and what you're doing, and the work that you're doing is really, really impactful so thank you for that.

00:57:05.070 --> 00:57:10.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You are welcome now tell folks, how can they get in touch with you, if they want to know more about you.

00:57:11.190 --> 00:57:31.860 DAISY Torres: Perfect so you can find me on Facebook and Twitter daisy Torres you if you're interested in checking out our podcasts you can just look up at cultural flipside on Facebook and YouTube and if you're looking to find me through email, you can find me at supervisor 06320 at gmail COM.

00:57:32.910 --> 00:57:48.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you so much daisy for being on the show and educating us today around bilingualism multilingual ISM and also just things regarding the Latin X community and colorism we only scratched the surface of.

00:57:48.930 --> 00:57:50.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: All of that today there's more to come.

00:57:51.600 --> 00:58:00.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to invite my guests, those of you who are listening, if you want to know more about ways to dismantle racism, please do visit my website.

00:58:01.020 --> 00:58:10.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sacred my next course on dismantling racism is coming up in a couple of weeks, so I invite you to.

00:58:10.590 --> 00:58:16.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take part and one of those courses, because we really do want to eradicate racism.

00:58:17.190 --> 00:58:28.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Please do stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam liebowitz were Sam helps you to awaken your humanity and walk through life with their greatest of these.

00:58:28.740 --> 00:58:34.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Make today you tap into that sacred part of you that allows you to make choices that.

00:58:34.950 --> 00:58:54.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: manifest the good in you and those around you know that we are all one and exists because of one another, make it a priority to share love hope compassion and peace today be well be safe, be encouraged until next time bye for now.

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