Dismantle Racism with Rev. Dr. TLC

Thursday, August 19, 2021
Facebook Live Video from 2021/08/19 - Through GenZennial Eyes

Facebook Live Video from 2021/08/19 - Through GenZennial Eyes


2021/08/19 - Through GenZennial Eyes

[PREMIERE] Through GenZennial Eyes

We are living in a new world in which virtually any knowledge is at our fingertips. The age of technology has completely revolutionized our daily lives, but specifically how we absorb information and stay updated on current events. This means that the way racism is viewed has been transformed as has the perspective on how to tackle it.


Join Reverend Dr. TLC and her guests, Ruby Avery and Sage Fortune, to discuss racism from the 'GenZennial' perspective, the impact of the HBCU experience, and how young people have been impacted by growing up with the internet’s graphic, over-saturation of violence against black and brown people.



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Show Notes

Segment 1

Reverend Dr. TLC starts the show with introducing her guests, daughter, Ruby Avery, and goddaughter, Sage Fortune. Ruby Avery is a senior at Howard University studying Public Relations and Spanish. Ruby is from Bristol, CT which is a predominantly white neighborhood.  Sage Fortune is an actress who graduated from Howard University. She is originally from Long Island, NY. She grew up in a diverse neighborhood where her community was predominantly black. Rev. Dr. TLC asks her guests what sacred practices they have to remain grounded and focused. Ruby spoke on the difficulties to stay grounded but how journaling, mediation, coffee and prayer are ways she uses to center herself. Sage talks about discovering yoga and using therapy as a way to escape. 

Before the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and her guests discuss the aftermath of George Floyd’s death. Sage mentioned how she was almost jaded because she was so accustomed to the brutality that black people have faced throughout the years. She noticed how non-blacks were forced to pay attention due to the pandemic. She had old colleagues and acquaintances reaching out; concerned about her wellbeing. Sage described it as almost being an overwhelming experience.

Segment 2

After the break, Avery shared her experience during the BLM protests. She talked about BLM being her first protest and how emotional it was to see her once racially insensitive childhood classmates chanting and marching for the same cause. Avery also mentioned how she is a part of an organization, Public Relations Student Society of America, that developed a panel series, Elephant in the Room. The series talked about racial issues and microaggressions in all industries from sports to healthcare. Before the break, Avery went on to talk about the microaggressions she’s experienced throughout her life from a young age. Despite being highly involved in her school and classes she continued to feel like the token black kid in high school. Attending an HBCU was really what cracked Avery’s shell.

Segment 3

After the break, Sage talks about growing up in a diverse neighborhood in Long Island, NY. She didn't experience the same racial tension Avery experienced. Sage doesn’t question that it happened in her neighborhood but because she was more of an introvert she didn't experience those awkward interactions. Sage also praises Howard for helping her come out of her shell. Avery and Sage discussed the benefits of attending a HBCU. They talk about the guidance and support they receive from allum.

Segment 4

After the break, Rev. Dr. TLC asks her guests how their experience with an HBCU has prepared them for life after college. Avery and Sage share about finding their confidence and individuality. They talk about becoming comfortable with yourself so you’re able to venture into other spaces. Attending Howard University gave Avery and Sage the voice they needed to help others find their identity and purpose. 


00:02:53.130 --> 00:03:05.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: hello, and welcome to dismantle racism, I am your host the Reverend Dr tlc our aim for this show is to uncover dismantle into eradicate racism.

00:03:05.790 --> 00:03:18.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I am super super excited today to get into this conversation on dismantling racism, because I have two very wonderful guests with me I love all the guests, that I have here, but today.

00:03:19.500 --> 00:03:30.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm overjoyed with the two young ladies that I will introduce to you in just a moment, and they are the gen Z generation and they will be talking with us about the ways.

00:03:31.260 --> 00:03:45.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In which they uncover eradicate and dismantle racism, but as always i'd like to get started with the show by really centering us and asking us to just breathe.

00:03:45.810 --> 00:03:59.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And the reason why I invite us to take in these wonderful deep breath is because it's our way of centering and focusing and understanding, who we are and that we are.

00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:15.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breath itself we're divine wisdom itself and we're capable of moving mountains, so, if you look just for a moment close your eyes and begin to take a few deep breaths in.

00:04:16.890 --> 00:04:19.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And just release those breaths.

00:04:21.270 --> 00:04:31.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And as you take another deep breath and do a quick body scan just to see how you're feeling what your thoughts are.

00:04:33.510 --> 00:04:48.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Whether you feel that you are ready to hear the conversation engage in the conversation or whether there are any places where there's tension, I want you to breathe out that tension.

00:04:49.530 --> 00:05:00.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in the fact that you are life itself that you are connected with divinity and source and God.

00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:06.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in that you are the manifestation of the greed I.

00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:17.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: can breathe out anything that will keep you from manifesting your greatness, and the greatness of authors.

00:05:19.590 --> 00:05:27.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in the fact that this divine wisdom this safe great intelligence is available to you at all times.

00:05:29.310 --> 00:05:43.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I invite you to breathe out anything that would keep you from reaching that sacred intelligence, so today as we begin our show we are going to rest in that wonderful place of divine.

00:05:46.380 --> 00:05:47.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: science.

00:05:51.780 --> 00:06:07.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Again again welcome welcome welcome, we are living in a new world where virtually any knowledge is at our fingertips, the age of technology has completely revenue revolutionized our daily lives.

00:06:07.890 --> 00:06:18.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But specifically how we absorb information and stay updated on current events, this means that the way racism is viewed has been transformed.

00:06:19.350 --> 00:06:35.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and has the perspective on how to tackle it so my guest today Ruby avery and sage fortune are here to discuss their various perspectives on racism and the impact hbc use.

00:06:36.540 --> 00:06:46.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: their own specific hbc you experience has had on them as young people and they've had very different upbringings, and so I can't wait to talk to them about it.

00:06:46.710 --> 00:06:59.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I should let you in on the fact that Ruby avery is my daughter, and so she is here today to talk about her experiences growing up in a predominantly white.

00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:08.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: area and sage fortune happens to be my gut to her and she's here to talk about her experiences growing up.

00:07:09.270 --> 00:07:21.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In a mixed neighborhood but mostly of color I would venture to say, I want to tell you a little bit about these two girls, because they are so outstanding actually correction these two women.

00:07:22.470 --> 00:07:34.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Ruby avery is a native of Chris wall and Connecticut and she's a senior at Howard university her concentration is on public relationships and she has.

00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:44.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A minor in Spanish Ruby is involved in so many organizations, I will not list them all here she can talk about them a little bit.

00:07:44.730 --> 00:07:49.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As she talks about herself but she's the President of some organizations she's.

00:07:50.640 --> 00:08:06.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Like all over the place, as a student Ambassador she is such a well rounded individual and I am thrilled to have her on the show today to talk about her experiences and she believes that.

00:08:06.930 --> 00:08:23.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: wholeheartedly that Howard university my Alma mater as well, has been the perfect environment for her to accomplish our goals and she's excited to bring her knowledge beyond the classroom will be a free, welcome to the show today.

00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:26.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and see each fortune.

00:08:27.270 --> 00:08:37.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sage is an actor and she's been one since she was very, very young, but she majored in acting in.

00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:51.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: school and she's also a graduate of our university i'm so excited that they both attended my Alma mater and sage attended school and long island New York.

00:08:51.810 --> 00:08:58.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And she has studied at the British American drama Academy, she has done, one woman.

00:08:59.430 --> 00:09:09.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: shows she's she just has a dossier as well that she can get into a little bit later, as she talks a little bit about her stories and.

00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:30.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: For sage she really homes, dear to the quote by Alice Walker surely the earth can be saved by all the people who insist on love sage I want to welcome you to the show as well, I want to ask both of you girls to women to unmute yourself.

00:09:32.190 --> 00:09:35.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello Hello hello, how are you oh.

00:09:35.880 --> 00:09:38.610 Sage G: I am lovely this morning, thank you for having me.

00:09:38.970 --> 00:09:41.310 Ruby Avery: Yes, i'm doing well too thanks for having us.

00:09:42.150 --> 00:09:56.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, I hope I could stop chasing enough because we just so excited the girls women listen, I always call you girls, because you are my girls, so please know that I don't mean anything by it it's a term of endearment.

00:09:57.450 --> 00:10:19.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I always ask my guests, to really start by telling us what grounds, you what keeps you focused on your work, your passions and, in particular since we're talking about racism, what are some of the ways that you ground yourself to have any sacred practices that you engage in.

00:10:20.580 --> 00:10:21.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we'll start with you Ruby.

00:10:23.250 --> 00:10:30.210 Ruby Avery: Well, I guess, I feel like lately it's been a little bit difficult to ground myself because i've been.

00:10:30.690 --> 00:10:40.140 Ruby Avery: Moving i've been, as you know, mom and sage place to place i've just come back from Houston Texas, and now i'm back in Washington DC to finish my final year at Howard.

00:10:40.740 --> 00:10:55.020 Ruby Avery: and honestly I I do a lot of journaling and I religiously drink coffee and I know it sounds a little bit crazy, but just having those two things wherever I am.

00:10:55.500 --> 00:11:04.470 Ruby Avery: Just helps me to reflect and just have some stability, no matter where i'm going and then also because my mother is a pastor I.

00:11:05.580 --> 00:11:18.300 Ruby Avery: have grown up knowing a lot about prayer and meditation and those two methods also just helped me to be centered, especially when there's a lot of chaos or i'm just very busy those two things definitely keep me grounded mm hmm.

00:11:18.510 --> 00:11:19.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And what about you sage.

00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:32.670 Sage G: So I I discovered yoga does really well for me during the pandemic when I like actually had the time to sit down and think about how that process of grounding myself works.

00:11:33.330 --> 00:11:40.980 Sage G: um and then also theatre really is my meditation I think going outside of myself is what grounds me.

00:11:41.310 --> 00:11:49.260 Sage G: But I think it's also really important i'm glad you said Ruby that it's been difficult, because it had it is difficult, you know, to find that.

00:11:50.130 --> 00:11:57.420 Sage G: And I think it's a years long journey of learning about yourself and getting to know yourself and accepting the fact that.

00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:05.130 Sage G: The way you have to ground yourself changes as you change as your demands change as your environment changes.

00:12:05.730 --> 00:12:19.350 Sage G: And so it's like an ongoing process figuring that out, I to take comfort in journaling, which is something that was a mandatory assignment when I was a freshman at Howard, but it became.

00:12:20.160 --> 00:12:27.810 Sage G: A meditative practice which i'm grateful for i'm glad someone forced it down my throat, so I can figure out that it tastes good.

00:12:30.210 --> 00:12:45.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, so I i'm i'm glad that both of us sort of been in ways of talked about your last year because there's been a lot that you all have had to deal with, as well as the rest of us as it relates to the pandemic but.

00:12:46.680 --> 00:12:48.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: During the pandemic.

00:12:49.320 --> 00:13:01.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Racism seem to just explode the conversation about it, you all have known from your own experiences that racism has always existed.

00:13:02.040 --> 00:13:08.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But this explosion created something else in you all, and I know we're going to talk about tech.

00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:19.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: analogy of your your experiences at an hbc you, but if we could, could you talk a little bit about what happened for you.

00:13:20.100 --> 00:13:36.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When George floyd was murdered, how did it change your way of thinking about racism, I know, we had really interesting conversations in our household but can you talk just a little bit about what came up for you all, during that time.

00:13:38.370 --> 00:13:42.570 Sage G: I can, I can take that first, if you like, Ruby honestly for me.

00:13:43.260 --> 00:13:55.920 Sage G: Very little change in the way that I view it, I think it was more revolutionary for white people and maybe non black people, because all of a sudden, it was forced into their eyesight.

00:13:56.880 --> 00:14:09.030 Sage G: But I didn't really feel any different I didn't it was another incident, it was just another thing that happened and, for me it was just like Oh, for some reason, I guess, because of the pandemic, everyone is just having to pay attention.

00:14:09.630 --> 00:14:26.580 Sage G: And I think what changed for me, since it wasn't my own point of view perspective on those events and that issue, what changed for me is how the white people and the non black people that I knew treated me, I had a lot of.

00:14:28.260 --> 00:14:31.950 Sage G: associates acquaintances past.

00:14:33.090 --> 00:14:43.080 Sage G: Cast members or you know things like that reach out to me and be like just thinking about you are you Okay, I had I had one woman um.

00:14:43.710 --> 00:14:53.190 Sage G: hadn't one white woman who reached out to me, and she was she's a bit older than me too i've been she's in her 30s reach out to me, she put me in a group message.

00:14:53.760 --> 00:15:06.840 Sage G: With them with her and the few other black people who were in that production and asked us like to explain to her what she can do to be better and.

00:15:07.650 --> 00:15:21.240 Sage G: You know how she can be an ally and it's like all of those things where I know it's coming from a good place at least I hope I can't read minds, but it kind of became a little overwhelming to see how much.

00:15:22.410 --> 00:15:27.090 Sage G: Non black people around me were overthinking, to the point where I was like.

00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:44.730 Sage G: Are you overthinking because you are very, very concerned or the fact that you don't feel like you can just be there for me as a friend makes me question your actual consciousness about the nuances of these issues, you know what I mean.

00:15:45.090 --> 00:15:53.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I do, and I think it happened to many of us people of color that there was this barrage of sympathy.

00:15:54.060 --> 00:16:07.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: empathy questions guilt shame all of that came up for people and so thank you for sharing from your perspective, what that was like now, we actually have to take break.

00:16:07.620 --> 00:16:21.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It and so when we return Ruby i'd love for you to express a little bit about what that was like for you, and maybe even some of your own understanding of who you were, and you can even discuss the dynamics that are household.

00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As it related to conversations, but.

00:16:24.420 --> 00:16:34.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're going to take a quick break this is dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc my guests today are Ruby avery and sage fortune we'll be right back.

00:18:51.420 --> 00:19:02.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc with my guests Ruby avery and sage fortune before the break, we were talking about.

00:19:02.820 --> 00:19:14.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How the murder of George floyd might have changed your perspective of what your experiences were and sage was able to give us a few things that occurred to her after.

00:19:15.990 --> 00:19:22.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know the explosion of the conversation on race, so Ruby could you share with us what it was like for you.

00:19:23.790 --> 00:19:31.080 Ruby Avery: Yes, um it's almost overwhelming think of everything that had changed since last year, because just so.

00:19:31.080 --> 00:19:31.800 Sage G: Much that.

00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:48.210 Ruby Avery: happens um the biggest thing was that I went to my first protest I hadn't been out amongst people like that just marching for cars, and I remember mama were together walking down.

00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:57.330 Ruby Avery: I don't remember what street it was we were walking down the street together and we heard all these people just chanting and I think both of us really got overwhelmed and.

00:19:58.260 --> 00:20:08.370 Ruby Avery: emotional, because where we are there's just a lot of white people and for me it's like watching these white people that I grew up with and.

00:20:09.030 --> 00:20:20.970 Ruby Avery: champions thing share this message and knowing also who they were, for me, that was a lot to just teach this witness, because I know that i've changed so much.

00:20:21.630 --> 00:20:31.350 Ruby Avery: from high school I know these people, probably have to, but just to know you know the micro aggressions and things like that back that up with announcing the lip and.

00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:40.890 Ruby Avery: it's like you want to be you do want to be happy that we can come together over this it's like Okay, how can we keep this conversation going, how can we make sure that this is.

00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:53.460 Ruby Avery: change that last for a little bit longer and so that was something else that I was thinking about as my position as a communications practitioner because we're seeing these organizations major companies influencers come out.

00:20:54.000 --> 00:21:05.730 Ruby Avery: And post a statement or post black lives matter, and obviously some of this performative but some of its genuine too, so I was thinking about how in my career, what would I do if I was in that situation.

00:21:06.210 --> 00:21:14.280 Ruby Avery: And one of the ways that played out actually was one of the organizations that i'm a member of the public relations society of America.

00:21:14.850 --> 00:21:24.030 Ruby Avery: Last year we put on a series called the elephant in the room panel series and we partnered with the University of Florida.

00:21:24.690 --> 00:21:34.740 Ruby Avery: And this PR boutique in Florida called are in New York called pitch publicity and we put on a series of panels that talks about.

00:21:35.250 --> 00:21:45.630 Ruby Avery: race and micro aggressions and each industry within communication, so it could have been sports healthcare entertainment politics we had people that.

00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:56.280 Ruby Avery: Were alumni of the University of Florida and Howard, to come back and just answer questions genuinely and honestly about how they see race and how they.

00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:01.890 Ruby Avery: How they dismiss always how they confronted and what it actually looks like to be.

00:22:02.850 --> 00:22:11.250 Ruby Avery: A person in communication during this time period we everything is really sensitive so honestly being able to be a part of that felt so good, because I could.

00:22:11.910 --> 00:22:26.760 Ruby Avery: I help to on the series together, which helped me feel like I was being part of that change, but then also I learned so much just by listening about what a future of actually dealing with race in my career looks like.

00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:30.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I love that.

00:22:31.260 --> 00:22:40.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You began by talking about seeing these people that you had grown up with having these conversations with people that you.

00:22:41.100 --> 00:22:50.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: had known for years actually both of you whether it was an acting or you're growing up experiences and then seeing this now engagement and conversations.

00:22:50.910 --> 00:23:07.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That you had not engaged in before so we're bad like to just ask you what were some of the micro aggressions you've just mentioned, there were micro aggressions in high school talk a little bit about your high school experience and stage i'd love for you to talk about yours as well.

00:23:08.940 --> 00:23:19.140 Ruby Avery: I feel like my high school experience I was like the token black girl that's how I feel kind of I was involved in everything, and so I was just.

00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:31.470 Ruby Avery: That I felt like I was kinda was the token by girls and ap classes, I also in sports and I also the better things like that, like, I was everywhere was trying everything and so.

00:23:32.490 --> 00:23:40.320 Ruby Avery: I mean, I guess, a lot of people knew me or knew of me, but it didn't change the fact that, like some of the things that you would hear whether it's like.

00:23:41.010 --> 00:23:56.070 Ruby Avery: Oh, like nobody wants to date, you because you're a black girl, and most of the guys, you know here day white girls and the black guys don't really like white girls, which I even think that's a micro aggression that's straight up just.

00:23:56.370 --> 00:23:59.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: internalized racism yo yeah.

00:24:00.570 --> 00:24:03.210 Ruby Avery: dealing with things like that, and then.

00:24:05.280 --> 00:24:11.460 Ruby Avery: I remember just early on and you probably remember this to back when I went to Catholic school not high school but.

00:24:12.270 --> 00:24:16.590 Ruby Avery: It was like elementary school, this was the first thing I really had to deal with.

00:24:17.340 --> 00:24:23.700 Ruby Avery: I think I was in fourth grade, and I was getting partnered with a little buddy must have been a preschooler and.

00:24:24.210 --> 00:24:30.510 Ruby Avery: My little buddy literally did not want to be my little buddy because I was black and I remember like trying to.

00:24:31.080 --> 00:24:40.260 Ruby Avery: You know play with him or whatever, because everybody got along with their little buddy and he just seemed cold in this day and then one day I received when his little friends went over to me and was like.

00:24:40.770 --> 00:24:45.060 Ruby Avery: i'm so and so doesn't like you, because you're black and then went away, and I was like.

00:24:46.830 --> 00:24:49.440 Ruby Avery: Okay, and then, what did my parents do.

00:24:50.430 --> 00:24:52.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: will tell them what did your parents do.

00:24:52.590 --> 00:24:53.760 Ruby Avery: My parents like.

00:24:53.910 --> 00:24:55.200 Ruby Avery: yeah you're going to do with it.

00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:09.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right and I, and so, for people who are listening, you know her dad and I felt very strongly that you're going to have to deal with racism in this country and you're not going to be able to run.

00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:16.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: away from it, and it does not serve the other person when you run away from it, so we did tell her in fourth grade.

00:25:17.100 --> 00:25:26.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your he's going to remain your little buddy but in all fairness, his teacher did talk to me, and she actually changed her curriculum a bit.

00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:38.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So that she could deal with race which I thought was very powerful because she met me after school to tell me what happened, and she said because we're friends and I want you to I was thinking we're not friends jake.

00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:49.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Like you know from from from that movie it's time to get where my friends know you but we're not friends, and thank you for really being willing to.

00:25:50.640 --> 00:26:04.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: reach out to make sure that my daughter understood, and that this young boy understood that we're all in this together, but Ruby actually if you don't mind me sharing this son on.

00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:18.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The air which you don't know what i'm about to say, but that wasn't your first experience when you were three years old, there was a little girl in preschool who told you that she didn't want to play with you because your skin was Brown.

00:26:19.320 --> 00:26:27.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And, and the teacher never told me about it and dad told me about it and so.

00:26:27.810 --> 00:26:44.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The teacher the teacher knows the teacher didn't tell dad another parent overheard it overheard the conversation, and she told us, and then even in first grade you also had an incident where they were talking about slavery.

00:26:44.550 --> 00:26:48.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And this little boy looked at you and said Ruby you would have been a slave.

00:26:49.110 --> 00:26:50.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh we're going back then.

00:26:51.870 --> 00:26:52.140 Ruby Avery: That.

00:26:52.170 --> 00:26:54.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: out, yes, you did block a lot of that out.

00:26:54.810 --> 00:26:57.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And we don't even have time to go through all of it.

00:26:57.330 --> 00:27:05.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But even in high school, and the reason why i'm sharing these publicly is because I think it's important for teachers and parents.

00:27:05.430 --> 00:27:20.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And all of you all who are listening to know that these are micro aggressions that we experience all the time and we either have to deal with them in our homes because teachers don't know how, when I confronted the teacher about the little boys saying.

00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:25.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Ruby you would have been a slave she said I just didn't know what to say.

00:27:26.010 --> 00:27:44.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really, you should you're an instructor it's important to know the other thing is and i'll just say this one Ruby You also told me and you didn't tell me this until much after high school about going to parties, where people were playing songs that will constantly.

00:27:44.430 --> 00:27:46.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really quick yes please.

00:27:46.290 --> 00:28:02.100 Ruby Avery: Definitely i've heard the N word a lot in high school and I wasn't even saying I wasn't saying it there were of you like kids um but they all hung out with why people like because they weren't that many black people, where I was so.

00:28:03.870 --> 00:28:14.640 Ruby Avery: I heard that word a lot and a lot of it was from these white kids who you know they tried to where do rags or whether Jordans or whatever, and just thought they were.

00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:27.060 Ruby Avery: Whatever and they would say the N word and like you were saying there was this one time at a party, I think I had just graduated I hadn't gone to Howard yeah, but it was the summer after my senior year of high school.

00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:41.220 Ruby Avery: And all these kids at the party sing the lyrics of the song whatever whatever and this white boy was like does it bother you and they say the N word and I was like yeah I don't like it, and he was like well why don't you tell them to stop, and I was like.

00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:46.740 Ruby Avery: I don't think i'm just like why don't you tell them to stop because I don't really have.

00:28:47.250 --> 00:28:55.410 Ruby Avery: The grounds to even like sit here and just become the angry black woman right now we're just ruined the vibes at the party or whatever it is.

00:28:55.950 --> 00:29:15.030 Ruby Avery: And so, basically after that happened, I was like yeah i'm not going to any of these types of functions anymore, because I just can't be there it's just not my crowd and on my scene and it's just uncomfortable but I guess because it's like peer pressure, whatever just being really.

00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:24.720 Ruby Avery: Just young and dumb just showing up to these places, because I thought, like I would be left out, but then I realized I don't have to be.

00:29:25.410 --> 00:29:37.380 Ruby Avery: There I don't put myself in a space to be disrespected so just having those experiences and being blatantly disrespected not even micro aggression just blatantly disrespected and then seeing people.

00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.300 Ruby Avery: rally I guess the way they did behind which was definitely.

00:29:43.350 --> 00:29:44.160 Ruby Avery: Who was a lot.

00:29:45.030 --> 00:29:52.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, I could as i'm listening to you talk about this, it is a lot, and so I would say it wasn't that you were young and dumb.

00:29:52.500 --> 00:30:09.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we go through this phase when we're younger and wanting to identify and to be connected with a group, and this was the group that you were connected with at the time, and if you had been the one to step up like you said you would have been the angry black woman as opposed to.

00:30:10.710 --> 00:30:23.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your white friends actually saying hey, this is not bright, and that is really what's important I want our audience, to know that it doesn't have to be the person of color to be the one.

00:30:23.670 --> 00:30:34.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To speak up all the time, in fact, if you want to be an ally, if you want to dismantle and eradicate racism, the ways they do, it is a voice.

00:30:35.010 --> 00:30:44.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's not that Ruby doesn't have agency, because she does but there's a cost, each time a person of color chooses to speak up, there is the cost it if.

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:51.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And there's a cost to you to as a white person I want you to understand that, but your voice has a different impact.

00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to get to you as well stage, but we do have to take a break, and I want.

00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:08.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You, to be able to talk a little bit about your experiences growing up, and then I would love for the both of you to talk about how attending and hbc you has changed you in a bit.

00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:21.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know the time goes really quickly here on the show, but we will be right back with dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc my guest today a Ruby avery and sage fortune we'll be right back.

00:33:53.670 --> 00:34:05.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc my guest today Ruby avery and sage fortune have been talking about their experiences growing up.

00:34:06.780 --> 00:34:20.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In the various neighborhoods and environment and then also attending an hbc you and so before the break we heard Ruby talk a bit about what it was like for her to grow up as one of a very few.

00:34:21.720 --> 00:34:33.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: People of color in particular black students in her hometown and so sage i'd love for you to talk a little bit about your experiences before attending Howard, and what it was like for you to grow up.

00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.160 Sage G: Well yeah so I grew up in long guy lens i'm.

00:34:39.210 --> 00:35:00.000 Sage G: In a very, very diverse environment there were, in fact, I want to say that black people were in the majority, or at least people of color in general, were in the majority, and so, because of that I never I never felt, you know, out of place in that way.

00:35:01.020 --> 00:35:10.140 Sage G: But it's funny because I didn't I didn't really socialize much in middle school or high school, I was very to myself, I had my you know.

00:35:10.620 --> 00:35:21.660 Sage G: My two and a half, friends, I went to school, I did my homework and that was it, I never went to parties, so I didn't even have the opportunity to notice things like that, like Ruby did um.

00:35:22.470 --> 00:35:34.710 Sage G: But I do think that I would here um non black people drop the F bomb, especially you know when it comes in music because it's just the song i'm just saying my song.

00:35:35.100 --> 00:35:44.370 Sage G: And all that great stuff and even which is weirder to me I because you would think that if it's a group of white people they.

00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:59.220 Sage G: You know they're not they're less likely to hold each other accountable it's interesting to me that you know, a bunch of white people would say that around black people, but I wasn't there I can't speak on it so i'll let that go but i'm.

00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:05.580 Sage G: Honestly, people were generally Nice in high school I think when I.

00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:12.060 Sage G: When I like watch shows, or when I used to watch shows, and like people would get bullied and.

00:36:12.510 --> 00:36:19.320 Sage G: And you know, have a hard time i'm not saying people didn't get bullied because I don't know what everyone was going through on an individual basis, but.

00:36:19.770 --> 00:36:25.350 Sage G: I think the I think that our generation is definitely the product of.

00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:36.300 Sage G: Internet culture in the way of like that is a vehicle for people to find out what's politically correct and what's okay and it's like at this point in time it's almost.

00:36:36.660 --> 00:36:46.500 Sage G: Not cool at all to be the kind of cool that was cool back then, back then, it meant it was cool to put people down, it was cool to.

00:36:47.610 --> 00:36:54.000 Sage G: To just be mean sometimes, and I think now we're in a time where the cool kids will be like what are you doing.

00:36:54.390 --> 00:37:01.740 Sage G: that's really not Okay, which is an amazing thing, and I think that that's definitely a result of more social media and our.

00:37:02.040 --> 00:37:17.490 Sage G: People our age and younger having access to information, like that, and the impact of negativity in that way, but, honestly I didn't come into myself I didn't start being myself loudly until I got to Howard so maybe this is a good segue.

00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:38.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's a perfect segue into hbc you like, because it doesn't sound like you had the racial tension that Ruby had that you had to struggle with internally so talk to me about the beloved hbc you experience and, of course, how word I have to say, the number one hbc.

00:37:39.450 --> 00:37:40.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Even though.

00:37:40.740 --> 00:37:43.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There are people out there who would disagree, but hey it's my show.

00:37:43.950 --> 00:37:46.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your three of us that work, so there you go.

00:37:47.580 --> 00:38:08.580 Sage G: yeah so i'm Howard was definitely when I broke out into my Shell, it was a beautiful and almost overwhelming experience to get thrown into an environment where everyone seemed to be on a similar wave as me and, like the vibrations were just right, it was, like all of a sudden.

00:38:09.690 --> 00:38:19.320 Sage G: Oh, like I don't have to explain certain things people just get certain things, and then, because everyone is coming with an understanding.

00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:33.330 Sage G: Of blackness that lets you embrace your individuality more because you're not seen as sage that black woman it's just that your sage because we're in an environment where.

00:38:34.020 --> 00:38:52.140 Sage G: that's, not even a thought, and so it was like it was beautiful getting to dig into myself in that way, and it was also being surrounded by so much excellence and so many artists, specifically, you know because that's what I was there for it.

00:38:53.160 --> 00:39:06.960 Sage G: In the department and outside of it, it was like wow, this is a wake up call that you don't need you know big networks or a lot of money or a lot of influence to to make and create beautiful things.

00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:16.080 Sage G: And it really enforced that idea I think ISA re popularized the phrase of like networking horizontally, I believe, is what.

00:39:16.980 --> 00:39:29.100 Sage G: Is what she said, you know, like the fact that you have everyone that you need right now it's not about getting to know people higher up with so much power and so much money if you are committed and.

00:39:30.570 --> 00:39:35.040 Sage G: And you have the desire to create something, and you have a clear idea of what you want.

00:39:35.550 --> 00:39:46.200 Sage G: You have everyone and everything that you need to make it happen because, even if you don't have millions like if I wanted to make a movie, even if I don't have millions of dollars, if I know.

00:39:46.530 --> 00:39:58.770 Sage G: What I want to communicate and I have people who are also committed to that message it can happen and your art speaks for itself, and that will get you where you want to go with the more money, and the more influence.

00:39:59.370 --> 00:40:12.000 Sage G: And it was just excuse me, it was just an environment, full of individualism, in a way that I had never seen before, and freedom intellectual freedom, it was beautiful.

00:40:12.390 --> 00:40:24.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah I love hearing you express it sage because I know I was part of that process when you were applying to all of these schools and often hbc us gets seen as less than.

00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:39.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And what i'm hearing you say is that it elevated you in this magnificent way and in a way that actually a pw I can't because you it took out saves the black girl and brought in, like yes i'm black.

00:40:39.330 --> 00:40:45.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But like that's just that's a given and we just go through life so Ruby What about.

00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:53.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your experience, if you could unmute yourself and and tell us how your experience and how it has been.

00:40:53.670 --> 00:41:01.980 Ruby Avery: I definitely definitely would agree with sage because there's just so much creative energy and it's creative energy and everything, not even just art but.

00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:09.300 Ruby Avery: And the way that people speak in engineering in just people's approaches to something it could be.

00:41:09.810 --> 00:41:16.230 Ruby Avery: So, like my mom said before i'm involved in so many different organizations and so just something like putting together in.

00:41:16.560 --> 00:41:22.980 Ruby Avery: an organization fest for the freshman this last week and making sure that all the organizations that come out.

00:41:23.430 --> 00:41:35.400 Ruby Avery: And we kind of did it in a different way it wasn't just tabling and going by like we made it we just made it fun and made it interactive and like almost like a party so it's like something to come home to, and not just your everyday.

00:41:36.750 --> 00:41:52.860 Ruby Avery: Your everyday routine, and so I just love being connected to that type of resource because, like say said the network will just really just your peers themselves, they if there's something that you want to do you have everything you need just in a group me.

00:41:54.810 --> 00:41:55.380 Ruby Avery: willing.

00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:07.290 Ruby Avery: To just willing to help you because of that kinship that just happens at the Mecca so yeah I just remember really walking across howard's campus.

00:42:08.010 --> 00:42:15.960 Ruby Avery: For the first week and just actually feeling like beautiful just actually feeling very centered and grounded, because everyone.

00:42:16.530 --> 00:42:29.790 Ruby Avery: Historically who's attended the school and just what it means to be at the Mecca like I could feel all of that, with the my first week at Howard, and I knew that it was building a foundation that I couldn't get to do a pw I excuse me.

00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:35.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I love that you were saying yes i'm going to let you just a second, but I just love that Ruby said.

00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:47.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It made her feel beautiful because it speaks to your confidence, and of course I might be a little partial but anybody looking at Ruby she's an adorable beautiful woman, but to.

00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:54.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: have to be at a place where you get to Howard and go I, yes, because that means that somewhere in high school.

00:42:54.660 --> 00:43:11.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And, like all people in high school you're kind of evaluating yourself but to be surrounded by people who see this beauty it already takes your confidence on a notch just because you're you're like i'm home right but says what did you want to say.

00:43:11.910 --> 00:43:28.500 Sage G: I wasn't because i'm Ruby said something about alumni I think that was a big thing to like realizing that my proximity to success was so i'm right there, and because of the alumni.

00:43:29.250 --> 00:43:38.430 Sage G: And their commitment to opening those doors for us, I don't know I don't know how it works, the pw wise, but I know that I have had so many.

00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:52.950 Sage G: personal conversations with alumni that have been transformational and I don't think that that happens at a lot of places like during because we didn't get to do our showcases because I graduated during the pandemic um.

00:43:54.270 --> 00:43:58.080 Sage G: You know, we had a lot of alumni doing beautiful things.

00:43:59.430 --> 00:44:07.380 Sage G: coming to us and being and giving us personal guidance in a way that lifts it just lifts you up you know.

00:44:07.410 --> 00:44:14.010 Sage G: It lifts you up because they know exactly how to navigate that industry that you're going into.

00:44:15.090 --> 00:44:19.950 Sage G: As as a black person and um and as.

00:44:22.380 --> 00:44:22.950 Sage G: it's just.

00:44:24.540 --> 00:44:24.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: wow.

00:44:24.870 --> 00:44:25.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you're so you're over.

00:44:26.640 --> 00:44:28.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes, that well you know, and I.

00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:29.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Think about.

00:44:31.080 --> 00:44:50.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think about you to sage as an as an actor and a lot of times if you're at a P wi and you're in the acting arena, you can get left out of some parts, but when you're in a predominantly black university my like you're eligible for all parts, you know if.

00:44:50.880 --> 00:45:04.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If you're into that to get the part right it and because we don't know what we don't know sometimes when you're in settings where you're the only people don't even recognize that they're not seeing you.

00:45:04.710 --> 00:45:15.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That you're not visible to them that they're not thinking about you, for a particular part, for instance, because in their mind, maybe the person who's playing the Board is a white person.

00:45:15.810 --> 00:45:25.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And they're not even aware of it, I know that you ladies have much more to say but we're again we have to take a break, and when we come back i'd love to hear a little bit more about.

00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:42.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how you think your experience and add an htc you might have prepared you for life and beyond, I know you've talked about it a little bit more, but talk a little bit about the academics, maybe, when we come back you're strong sense of.

00:45:43.530 --> 00:45:50.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: intellect and academics so we'll be right back with dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc we'll be right back.

00:48:22.410 --> 00:48:30.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc my guest today are two of my favorite people.

00:48:31.050 --> 00:48:39.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: my daughter Ruby avery and my God daughter sage fortune and before we continue, I just want to do give a shout out.

00:48:39.510 --> 00:48:47.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To TIM at star island as as those of you who watch the show off, and you can see my background is different i'm.

00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:58.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: On star island engaged and Sabbath rest and I needed a place to host the show, so he graciously let me use his office, and so I want to just thank TIM and give him a shout out.

00:48:59.430 --> 00:49:09.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: before the break, we were talking about your experiences at an htc you and I asked you all to think about some ways in which.

00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:21.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your experiences at an htc you has prepared you for life beyond college so whether that's with your careers or just navigating racism or navigating.

00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:32.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: life in general talk to me a bit about your preparation at Howard either of you can start or Ruby I mean a sage during in went up so we'll start with you.

00:49:34.410 --> 00:49:36.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes, you have to unmute yourself, please.

00:49:36.750 --> 00:49:38.760 Sage G: I was actually pointing like Ruby but it's okay.

00:49:38.790 --> 00:49:39.240 Oh.

00:49:41.220 --> 00:49:50.790 Sage G: Well, I think the biggest thing is that when you're allowed to foster your individuality that just gives you a strong.

00:49:51.810 --> 00:50:03.630 Sage G: grounded sense of self and when you're comfortable with yourself, that means that you're just overall more well prepared to deal with absolutely anything that comes your way like.

00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:16.410 Sage G: freshman year for us in the theater department before we did any scenes are acting as you might as you might say, um we had to do an exercise called two minutes alone.

00:50:17.070 --> 00:50:25.680 Sage G: And it's just us in our bedrooms doing absolutely nothing and just trying to be your authentic self in this space.

00:50:26.160 --> 00:50:32.610 Sage G: And we did that for a long time before we were ever allowed to touch a script and I think that's a microcosm for.

00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:45.750 Sage G: Anything outside of you know, the world of theater is the fact that you need to be comfortable in being your authentic self before you're able to step into other arenas and I think that.

00:50:46.260 --> 00:50:54.660 Sage G: That goes along with the fact that we had access to what works by people who looked like us, and people who didn't look like us, you know, of course.

00:50:55.470 --> 00:51:07.140 Sage G: it's there's a lot of value placed on the classics you know Greeks and Shakespeare, and that stuff is valuable, of course, but in addition to that, we got to read things that I had never even heard of.

00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:14.640 Sage G: writers that are considered the black classics or the you know classics in a different arena, I had never even heard of these people.

00:51:15.090 --> 00:51:25.950 Sage G: And it was you know beautiful plays poems etc by people who are black, but other people of color as well, and I think that that's important because I don't want.

00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:36.990 Sage G: I feel like it's easy to interpret when we're talking about hbc life that it's like yay and now it's about looking having people who look like me me me me but it's not about that.

00:51:37.590 --> 00:51:41.370 Sage G: In my opinion, I think it's about having.

00:51:42.150 --> 00:51:51.030 Sage G: Having the experience knowing what it's like to be the other and that lets you create space for the other others it's not just about yay now it's all about black people.

00:51:51.300 --> 00:52:01.320 Sage G: Now, because we know what that's like it's about i'm reading plays by women who are Latina and people who are East Asian and.

00:52:01.680 --> 00:52:11.070 Sage G: All of the things you know, creating space for all of it, and I think when you have access to those different kinds of points of views that widens your scope for everything.

00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:21.090 Sage G: It minds the things that you wouldn't have found about yourself, you know reading from different points of view it's about finding the universality.

00:52:21.540 --> 00:52:37.440 Sage G: of an experience, and I think people who are only reading or living or trying to reach in one kind of pointed are missing out on not just the outside, but they're missing out on things that they're they don't even know are inside.

00:52:37.680 --> 00:52:43.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I think that's the biggest takeaway from hbc well, thank you, thank you sage and i'm going to let Ruby.

00:52:44.130 --> 00:52:55.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: answer that in a minute, but stage, I also know that you were involved in so many things and you're involved in a quite a number of things now with your acting since then and.

00:52:56.010 --> 00:53:09.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We didn't have time to go in to those things, but I am just very thrilled for you as you're moving ahead in your career as an actor as well, so Ruby could you answer the question as well.

00:53:10.080 --> 00:53:19.860 Ruby Avery: yeah I think both of you guys said it really well that it's just a different confidence in yourself that you have coming from an htc you and that's due to.

00:53:21.660 --> 00:53:31.320 Ruby Avery: Allah and it has a lot to do with academics, as well as the social aspect of being on campus but like sage said in her discipline, they required her to sit with herself and really.

00:53:31.980 --> 00:53:40.050 Ruby Avery: find her authentic self, and that also happens in let's say a history class and because we're all required to take African American history and.

00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:51.570 Ruby Avery: just learning and just having such an enriched conversation around actually what happened to black people and things that you never even know about, because when you grow up.

00:53:52.110 --> 00:54:00.630 Ruby Avery: In a high school, the general education gives you the civil rights movement gives you slavery, it gives you a little bit of Jim crow and things like that.

00:54:01.470 --> 00:54:08.040 Ruby Avery: But it doesn't really tell you everything that black people went doing how much influence that.

00:54:08.850 --> 00:54:15.930 Ruby Avery: has still played out so today so really knowing that and just studying that really helps you break down and reflect on.

00:54:16.350 --> 00:54:22.050 Ruby Avery: All the people that have paved the way from you and then that's like say said, creating that space, because you know.

00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:34.140 Ruby Avery: Where you came from and how even i'm allowed to be in this moment here right now, because people before me wearing so that just gives you purpose and it helps you like sage said to create that space for other people.

00:54:35.250 --> 00:54:44.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I love that, and so I wonder in our last couple of minutes that we have you said, to give you purpose does it also.

00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:59.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Do you have a sense of responsibility to your community after attending an HP see you do you think it's shaped how you think about your responsibilities in like maybe just one one minute each.

00:55:00.990 --> 00:55:08.610 Ruby Avery: um it definitely does, I can I can just say for myself and what I do with my organizations it's just making sure that.

00:55:09.090 --> 00:55:15.660 Ruby Avery: We are really reaching people and what they care about and helping people to identify their purpose as well, and how they can.

00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:24.240 Ruby Avery: shape themselves and like even as a student Ambassador and just telling prospective Howard students about how how it has shaped me.

00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:37.260 Ruby Avery: i'd be like that even gives them a little bit of a full picture of what htc you is I love talking about it because, if I had went to a pw I just simply would not have been the same person that I am now.

00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:53.550 Ruby Avery: And so i'm just grateful to have had this experience, so I know that for me going forward, I always want to just give people perspective, I think that that's my responsibility as someone who studies communications to the bigger picture and to creating that space for that today.

00:55:54.510 --> 00:56:05.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you for that and Ruby I also know, like sage that you're super involved in school, I mean I think you're an officer in about three or four different organizations and.

00:56:05.250 --> 00:56:21.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Again, as a student ambassador for our listeners you actually do or do tours of the College to tell people about Howard, and so it's been a wonderful way for you to give back even as a student so say it's real quick, do you want to chime in.

00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:33.570 Sage G: yeah um I think that it just honestly the The thing that I took away the most is that it's protest, just to be doing what you want to the fullest.

00:56:33.810 --> 00:56:45.180 Sage G: Because I think it's important, yes, we all have power, and I think that it's important for us to leave space for people to say what they want to say and make space for the voices that people don't always listen to.

00:56:45.690 --> 00:56:53.880 Sage G: um yeah, but I think it's important to know what grounds me sometimes and not getting overwhelmed with that sense of responsibility.

00:56:54.180 --> 00:57:15.720 Sage G: is knowing that the people who came before me, my ancestors were working for for my generation to have some type of ease, they are not working and working so their grandchildren great grandchildren can continue dredging through that kind of pain and and just.

00:57:16.740 --> 00:57:28.410 Sage G: exhaustion and so I think it's important to remind ourselves that, when we rest that's protest because that's something that we worked that they worked for for us when we have fun.

00:57:29.070 --> 00:57:36.630 Sage G: We feel joy when we smile when we laugh, that is, that that is important, and that is what they worked for to you know.

00:57:37.650 --> 00:57:39.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh sage I so appreciate that.

00:57:40.350 --> 00:57:41.640 Ruby Avery: Things are in abundance that.

00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:44.940 Sage G: say yes exactly.

00:57:45.480 --> 00:58:07.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes, well, ladies, it has been my honor and my deep pleasure to have you on the show i'm so excited, not just because you went to Howard university, because I think that all hbc us are valuable, but you know I always have to do my shout out to our I believe that that all hbc us are valuable.

00:58:08.730 --> 00:58:12.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To our young black and African American.

00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:25.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In kendrick and also to other people who go, because not only do we go, but there are other folks that go as well, but what you have done today, I think, is that you've.

00:58:25.530 --> 00:58:38.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you've enlightened folks you've awakened folks to some of the things that you experienced even growing up, but you've awakened them to the experience of an hbc you and how it prepares you because I know a lot of folks.

00:58:39.270 --> 00:58:48.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Of color as well as white folks who tend to think that wider schools are better and that in and of itself is racism.

00:58:49.560 --> 00:59:02.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And we have to do a better job of educating folks on the value of an hbc you and what our needs are as people of color so I thank you so much for.

00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:13.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Being on the show today sharing your experiences want to just remind you to breathe through the experiences after we're off the show, because I know it could bring up a lot of things, even as excited.

00:59:14.190 --> 00:59:20.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As we were to talk about this, thank you very much, I want to just invite our guests if you'd like to know a little bit more.

00:59:21.060 --> 00:59:28.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: About stage fortune and Ruby avery you can go to my website and send me a note if you'd like to be in touch with them.

00:59:29.460 --> 00:59:36.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Go to sacred and write to me, and let me know what you think about today's show and about these.

00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:44.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Wonderful young ladies who were on the show you could also like to know more about how to dismantle racism, I invite you to take one of.

00:59:45.660 --> 00:59:59.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: My courses that you can find out about on the show I leave you a with these words Octavia Butler says that all that you touch you change all that you change changes you.

01:00:00.060 --> 01:00:09.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The only lasting truth is change and she says that God is change, so I invite you to be the change.

01:00:09.990 --> 01:00:27.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Stay tuned after this show for the conscious consultant hour with Sam lipa with and his guests, as they help you walk through life with the greatest ease enjoy we'll see you next time on dismantle racism until then be well be encouraged and be blessed bye for now.

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