Gateway to the Smokies Podcast hosted by our very own Joseph McElroy, Owner of the Meadowlark Motel in Maggie Valley, NC with our special guest Jim Hamilton, an extension agent and county director at NC State Cooperative Extension and an adjunct professor at ASU, as well as a former instructor at Haywood Community College.
Jim has a PhD in forestry and teaches workshops across the region including an upcoming date at the Meadowlark Smoky Mountain Heritage Center on August 28th. They will be discussing the generations of ginseng in the Smoky Mountains.
Today’s episode starts off with our host Joseph McElroy announcing tons of exciting upcoming events that our audience can look forward to. From concerts, to award programs, talk shows, and campfires, there are a plethora of events that people can enjoy in the Smoky Mountain and North Carolina region. After announcements, Joseph introduces the special guest of the day, Jim Hamilton. Jim talks about his journey to how he became a professor, county director, and so interested in ginseng in the local community.
Coming back from the break, the two talk more about turtles being the state reptile of North Carolina and bring up Jim’s nickname, Jimseng. Jim then talks about where that name came from and all the benefits and other facts about ginseng. He explains how he became interested in the local ginseng and where his passion originates from. They discuss how important ginseng is essential to the economy and go further into the different types of ginseng, their history, and their benefits. Jim tells stories of famous pioneers and explorers who came across ginseng, such as Daniel Boone, and how it served as a food source and for health purposes.
The next segment starts off with a discussion on stereotypes regarding ginseng hunting on television shows. Jim clarifies the negative stereotypes and misunderstandings of people illegally harvesting ginseng and that he works with people to specifically protect the ginseng in the local Smoky Mountains area. Next, Jim talks about where to buy ginseng and what he does with them. He explains how different countries, for example Korea, China, buys ginseng differently than how one might in North Carolina. Joseph then asks Jim about his book, The Last Entry, which is a fictional book that follows a young man in the mountain area.
For the last segment, Jim Hamilton and Joseph talk more about planting and growing ginseng in your own backyard. Jim talks about what he recommends people to do in the Smoky Mountain areas. He recommends taking a morning hike to watch the sunrise and local restaurants with great food for lunch and other fun activities that visitors can do throughout the day.
00:00:34.710 --> 00:00:39.840 Joseph McElroy: hey thanks for joining us on this week's episode of gateway to the smokies.
00:00:40.350 --> 00:00:47.940 Joseph McElroy: This podcast is about america's most visited National Park, the great smoky mountains National Park in the surrounding towns.
00:00:48.330 --> 00:00:56.940 Joseph McElroy: This area is filled with ancient natural beauty and deep storied history and rich mountain cultures that we explore with weekly episodes.
00:00:57.510 --> 00:01:06.480 Joseph McElroy: I am Joseph Franklin mcilroy man of the world, but also a deep roots in these mountains my family's lived in the great smokies for over 200 years.
00:01:06.930 --> 00:01:15.450 Joseph McElroy: My businesses in travel, but my heart is in culture today's podcast is about generations of gin seeing in the smoky mountains.
00:01:16.140 --> 00:01:27.690 Joseph McElroy: But first let me tell you about a little bit coming up upcoming event smokies adventures sponsoring events at the metal Arc smoky mountain heritage Center this summer at the middle or motel Maggie Valley.
00:01:28.140 --> 00:01:35.640 Joseph McElroy: There for heritage themed events already booked for July and August, including the plot this reunion weekend on July 9 or 10th.
00:01:36.030 --> 00:01:48.780 Joseph McElroy: With mechanical bear bait demos programs and music, then we have the dare Nicholson all star band camp or concert with seminars, presented by iconic musicians on the Saturday of.
00:01:50.160 --> 00:01:54.120 Joseph McElroy: July 17 along with a concert on Saturday night.
00:01:54.900 --> 00:02:03.480 Joseph McElroy: There are landing and Charles Miller lifetime achievement award program will be with the seminars, music and talks will be on July 31.
00:02:03.750 --> 00:02:16.380 Joseph McElroy: And the horse can pop festival weekend on August 13 and 14th two days, full of heights music programs with nationally known our authors artists and filmmakers musicians and explorers will be.
00:02:17.010 --> 00:02:27.930 Joseph McElroy: There we're also pleased to announce it, in addition to new big events in August, the mountain the metal iron mountain heritage festival on August 7 through he has to be.
00:02:28.230 --> 00:02:37.620 Joseph McElroy: This will be a fun filled week weekend featuring cherokee storytelling and mass carving from the incomparable David are Davey arch.
00:02:38.040 --> 00:02:49.800 Joseph McElroy: Traditional music with tandon silver and the middle Arc ramblers or frontier camp with period correct demos pertaining to a variety of topics, including high tanning blacksmiths.
00:02:50.280 --> 00:03:06.360 Joseph McElroy: flintlock firearms Pottering wild crafted hosted by renowned experts in their respective CEOs fields such as I a hatter randall peers kin partner, Brian nolan Charlie brown corey plot David Brown and much more.
00:03:06.810 --> 00:03:14.220 Joseph McElroy: And then the weekend of August 27 through 29th there's a natural since traditional skills, we can.
00:03:14.700 --> 00:03:26.310 Joseph McElroy: for reaching a big featuring a variety of experts in their field, including jim's ginseng expert Jim Hamilton is our guest today abby Martin artemisia known owner and.
00:03:26.700 --> 00:03:36.450 Joseph McElroy: walk founder of the wonder school award winning cherokee naturalist Tyson Samson Adam bigelow of big a little bit technical excursions.
00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:48.630 Joseph McElroy: acclaimed author and naturalist renae Winchester Harold health and hair loom seed expert author musician William Richard was a was a previous guests on the show.
00:03:49.050 --> 00:03:58.830 Joseph McElroy: plot hound program and book signing with Bob platt plot and other guests and Jacob Morgan plot Sunday morning traditional music and service with William Ritter.
00:03:59.130 --> 00:04:08.250 Joseph McElroy: And Sarah ogletree along with additional music throughout the weekend, with camden silver and the metal Arc ramblers Michael tree and William Richard.
00:04:10.050 --> 00:04:16.590 Joseph McElroy: I also also announced, we have the initiative may Maggie rainwater to the middle or.
00:04:17.700 --> 00:04:29.490 Joseph McElroy: Mountain heritage team who's going to be do PR and advertising for all events and podcasts and Robin and represent some of the top names in America and bluegrass music fields welcome Maggie.
00:04:29.910 --> 00:04:42.120 Joseph McElroy: Most events at the middle Arc matt smoking out here just centers is free from hotel guests and then there's a mission fees for nanda guess call eight to 89261717.
00:04:42.540 --> 00:04:59.130 Joseph McElroy: To put book your rooms, or for for further information there's any stuff going on, so do you listen to this podcast after the fact, and after the summer of 2021 reach out because there's going to be stuff going on all year round and they're all going to be quality events like this, so.
00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:15.270 Joseph McElroy: Our our our our podcast today is about juicing and culture urgency in the smoky mountains and I wasn't you know I look around for poetry sometimes and things related to what the guest is going to be talking about that's meaningful to me.
00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:26.790 Joseph McElroy: And you know I didn't find a poem that at work, but I found a bluegrass song the original author was Norman blake and I think he performed it as well, what I found one that was.
00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:36.690 Joseph McElroy: Something that that involve the popular bluegrass legend TIM rice, who has been mentioned several times on this show by.
00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:51.300 Joseph McElroy: My TIM CERT and balsam range a couple others and and Darren Nicholson and also arrange will be here next week's to talk about the bluegrass band camp and he'll probably mentioned that maybe mentioned TIM TIM rice raw I will I prod them to anyway.
00:05:52.410 --> 00:06:02.100 Joseph McElroy: Anyway, the lyrics of this song are relevant, I think, to today's show and so i'm going to read this army as i'm not a singer and I don't want to violate copyright law so.
00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:14.130 Joseph McElroy: So about three miles from the bed to a yard from the reverse curve on down not far south of the town depot Sullivan shack was found.
00:06:14.880 --> 00:06:27.360 Joseph McElroy: Back on the higher ground, you can see him every day walking down the line, with an old brown sack or crosses back and as long hair down behind speaking is worried mine.
00:06:28.590 --> 00:06:36.720 Joseph McElroy: it's a long way to the delta from the north Georgia hills a tote sack full of urgency will pay no traveling bill.
00:06:37.860 --> 00:06:44.640 Joseph McElroy: Now i'm too old to ride the rails or thumb the road alone, so I guess i'll never make it back to home.
00:06:45.660 --> 00:06:48.420 Joseph McElroy: My muddy waters Mississippi delta on.
00:06:49.890 --> 00:07:01.050 Joseph McElroy: What is here the winters here they get too cold the damp and makes me ill can dig their roots in the mountain side of the frozen ground froze hard and still.
00:07:01.770 --> 00:07:13.350 Joseph McElroy: gotta stay on the foot of the Hill, but I make summer when things turn right the companies will pay high i'll make enough money to pay my bills and bid these mountains goodbye.
00:07:14.280 --> 00:07:24.390 Joseph McElroy: Then he said, where the side it's a long way to the delta from the north Georgia hills attempts at full of June saying will pay no traveling bills.
00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:35.190 Joseph McElroy: No i'm too old to ride the rails or thumb the road alone so i'll guess i'll never make it back to home, my muddy water Mississippi delta whoa.
00:07:36.210 --> 00:07:52.170 Joseph McElroy: Alright, so my guest today is Jim Hamilton who's an acclaimed novelist who has a PhD in forestry is a country as a county director for the nc state cooperative extension and as an adjunct professor at appalachian State University, how are you doing Jim.
00:07:52.890 --> 00:07:56.940 Jim Hamilton: Great Joseph thanks for having me on your on your show on your podcasts great.
00:07:57.540 --> 00:08:02.730 Joseph McElroy: i'm so glad you're here, so are you urinate or North Carolina right.
00:08:03.030 --> 00:08:04.290 Jim Hamilton: I am not.
00:08:05.430 --> 00:08:22.830 Jim Hamilton: Originally yeah I hail from a little small town in Alabama southeast to Birmingham, where you can you can see, the last hanging toenail of the appalachians from the highest point you know, on on the home property but i've lived in North Carolina now for for about 20 years and.
00:08:23.580 --> 00:08:24.330 Jim Hamilton: You know it's a.
00:08:24.570 --> 00:08:29.910 Jim Hamilton: Even though my kids were born here they'll never be local local you know takes like eight generations in a good killing.
00:08:31.410 --> 00:08:33.690 Jim Hamilton: The data to really qualify but uh.
00:08:33.780 --> 00:08:39.150 Joseph McElroy: yeah about 20 years ago people start accepting the Community, it might not call you can call your friend.
00:08:39.450 --> 00:08:39.750 Right.
00:08:42.780 --> 00:08:45.720 Joseph McElroy: So I was brought to your school or was that when.
00:08:46.230 --> 00:08:48.780 Jim Hamilton: I came to North came to nc state for.
00:08:49.020 --> 00:08:58.680 Jim Hamilton: For Grad school in forestry and wound up in in the mountains of looking at working with the Christmas tree industry, so I started.
00:08:59.790 --> 00:09:09.300 Jim Hamilton: started with cooperative extension and drifted back to to hey over to haywood county where I was a I taught a hey what Community college and then.
00:09:10.020 --> 00:09:19.020 Jim Hamilton: Then back up to boone to sort of lead the shop here at the at the county extension office, so you know by i'm a couple hours from the middle lock down there.
00:09:19.980 --> 00:09:21.720 Joseph McElroy: nc state, you know I went to do.
00:09:22.980 --> 00:09:23.520 Joseph McElroy: The.
00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:26.640 Joseph McElroy: nice little rivalry, I remember.
00:09:27.300 --> 00:09:28.620 Jim Hamilton: I took a class at Duke.
00:09:30.060 --> 00:09:30.810 Jim Hamilton: nc state.
00:09:32.010 --> 00:09:37.650 Jim Hamilton: The folks studying forestry at Duke would come over to nc state to take real for St.
00:09:39.270 --> 00:09:43.620 Jim Hamilton: jude is the forestry students from state we go to do to take the policy classes.
00:09:44.940 --> 00:09:54.870 Joseph McElroy: Well, I remember once going over to nc state or some fraternity brothers and we took cool so we covered a bunch of bunch of statues, is that something that they do now or did I don't remember what it was.
00:09:56.100 --> 00:09:56.640 Jim Hamilton: Oh man.
00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:02.520 Joseph McElroy: All right, so you're you're you're naturally to say that we just say, what do you do up there now.
00:10:02.550 --> 00:10:06.360 Jim Hamilton: What do you do it, I just teach one class a year at.
00:10:06.420 --> 00:10:20.760 Jim Hamilton: appalachian state i'm an adjunct instructor but my my day job is is with the cooperative extension and we're the we're the outreach arm for the university so we're we provide a you know research reach research based and technical information.
00:10:21.210 --> 00:10:30.330 Jim Hamilton: To farmers landowners master gardeners cattle producers Christmas tree growers, you name it we're we're sort of the one stop shop for.
00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:43.170 Jim Hamilton: Agricultural information and property information in in each of the counties every county in in North Carolina has an extension office and and I wound up I wound up here in boone.
00:10:43.710 --> 00:10:52.050 Joseph McElroy: wow So if I wanted to start a BlackBerry farm and an iron haywood county I i'd be dealing with somebody like you.
00:10:52.110 --> 00:10:56.700 Jim Hamilton: Right that's right you, you would call a bill bill skelton is your is the.
00:10:58.080 --> 00:10:58.980 Jim Hamilton: director yep.
00:10:59.070 --> 00:10:59.520 Joseph McElroy: I was.
00:11:00.540 --> 00:11:12.180 Joseph McElroy: I was sitting around at a party in New York City and some guy from St Louis said, you know we would buy you know talking about farm to table, he said we buy so much blackberries and we get hold of.
00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:18.300 Joseph McElroy: The we said, well, we got plays landon and haywood county that grows by various real well so yeah.
00:11:18.330 --> 00:11:18.900 Jim Hamilton: Plenty of them.
00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:22.620 Joseph McElroy: Is it is It made me made me will ever come to fruition.
00:11:23.280 --> 00:11:23.850 Joseph McElroy: And certainly.
00:11:24.210 --> 00:11:26.100 Joseph McElroy: A party talk, but you know.
00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.230 Jim Hamilton: that's right that's right.
00:11:28.620 --> 00:11:30.960 Joseph McElroy: So every county Community college.
00:11:31.590 --> 00:11:42.780 Jim Hamilton: So I taught forestry of for for four years and haywood Community college I taught soils introduction to forestry I taught dendrology, which is the.
00:11:43.260 --> 00:11:54.210 Jim Hamilton: Which is the identification of trees, and you know the the most enjoyable thing, while I did there, I was the over the forestry club and I don't know if you've seen the lumberjack competitions or.
00:11:54.660 --> 00:12:02.520 Jim Hamilton: You know I guess the espn C or D or one of the lower level espn channels will show the steel still timber sports.
00:12:02.970 --> 00:12:15.870 Jim Hamilton: team so and haywood still has a very active and very super competitive timber sports team, and you know learn how to how to how to throw an axe and run a run across cat saw and.
00:12:16.980 --> 00:12:23.010 Jim Hamilton: do a little single book chopping but that's um it's it's it's a true sport and it's a competitive.
00:12:23.370 --> 00:12:38.070 Jim Hamilton: it's a competitive collegiate sport, with the schools that have foresee programs, and it was always great to to take you know the two year Community college kids to a to a state, competition and have a whip up on the four year colleges, you know timber sports team.
00:12:39.330 --> 00:12:45.210 Joseph McElroy: we're glad to see that competitive North Carolina spirit exists still even the College of Community college level.
00:12:45.300 --> 00:12:47.190 Jim Hamilton: Oh yeah yeah it was a lot of fun.
00:12:47.220 --> 00:12:56.130 Joseph McElroy: A lot of fun well we're gonna take a break now, and when we come back a couple questions I want us to lessen venture past, but then we'll get into June say alright.
00:12:56.460 --> 00:12:57.060 Jim Hamilton: sounds great.
00:15:27.570 --> 00:15:33.840 Joseph McElroy: Is a Joseph regular mcilroy back with a gateway to the smokies podcasts and my guest Jim Hamilton.
00:15:34.350 --> 00:15:47.010 Joseph McElroy: So, Jim I know we want to give the ginseng but I noticed a couple things I was reading your profile and you speak fluent Spanish and I didn't see anything other than you went to Paraguay, with the peace corps is that we learn Spanish.
00:15:47.820 --> 00:15:56.520 Jim Hamilton: I did I learned, Spanish and barney which is which I spoke more guarani when I was was when I was in rural Paraguay, but.
00:15:56.940 --> 00:16:02.430 Jim Hamilton: My wife is is from Argentina so with with a lot of help from from from her and.
00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:17.910 Jim Hamilton: And and regular visits with with the family, my my my Spanish drastically improved because Spanish and paraguay's is sort of the second language so so yeah we speak a good deal Spanish at home, especially when i'm being chastised for something.
00:16:19.710 --> 00:16:26.610 Joseph McElroy: But it's good, though I just thought that was interesting thing I didn't see where I learned, other than that what two years you're very right yes.
00:16:26.610 --> 00:16:28.530 Jim Hamilton: yeah i'm a renaissance redneck.
00:16:30.030 --> 00:16:31.320 Joseph McElroy: that's exactly what I am.
00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:41.850 Joseph McElroy: So, before we begin in the ginseng I had to say, I saw this you wrote you wrote an article called the turtles of the high country right.
00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:57.720 Joseph McElroy: And you're already there the eastern box turtles, the only terrorist terrestrial turtle founder of the state in 1979 it was chosen to be the north Carolina state reptile I have to know why do we have a State reptile.
00:16:59.490 --> 00:17:09.630 Jim Hamilton: You know I I thought the same thing I know we you know, we have the state, the state flower in this in the state tree, the state reptile that's that's a that's a new one, to me, but.
00:17:10.050 --> 00:17:23.640 Jim Hamilton: Here here at the extension office out, you know, during the summer, we have people bring in bring in turtles for identification we bring it get snakes sometimes they're in jars sometimes there with a head sometimes without a head.
00:17:24.030 --> 00:17:31.590 Jim Hamilton: folks want to know you know what what the animals are they find they find on their property so that's another service that we provide.
00:17:32.220 --> 00:17:37.350 Joseph McElroy: The mountain North Carolina, especially with regards to turtle so I don't want to get into it too much, but yeah.
00:17:38.520 --> 00:17:48.750 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah it is okay good all right so so I heard that around the Office, your your coworkers call you Jim saying.
00:17:51.240 --> 00:18:04.920 Joseph McElroy: And then you say you teach workshops and workshops on how to plan it you drink daily smoothies sprinkled with it, so I guess your expert on the subject, so why this this intense interest.
00:18:05.250 --> 00:18:18.450 Jim Hamilton: And what the geo fencing is such a unique plant with such a historical and cultural significance, especially here in in the western North Carolina mountains.
00:18:19.260 --> 00:18:35.130 Jim Hamilton: I had I known what it was, you know as a as a student of forestry natural resources, and you know when I when I started started working in western North Carolina I would hear about it more and more and.
00:18:37.140 --> 00:18:44.550 Jim Hamilton: i've had i've had friends with with access to property actually take me, you know ginseng hunting, it is still.
00:18:44.940 --> 00:19:00.690 Jim Hamilton: juicing hunting still a very integral part of of appalachian mountains and for a lot of folks it's a it's a supplemental form of income there's a there's a legal harvest season for it and there's a there's an international market for it.
00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:01.470 Jim Hamilton: But it's a.
00:19:01.770 --> 00:19:05.220 Jim Hamilton: You know, in the fall during during the legal season.
00:19:06.660 --> 00:19:17.430 Jim Hamilton: You have you have folks that hit the woods either you know they're scouting out there, the place to put their deer stand, you know for deer season and while they're out there they're looking for Jim saying, and if they find.
00:19:18.030 --> 00:19:22.830 Jim Hamilton: or come across a patch you know they'll dig Jim saying and there's there are registered dealers who.
00:19:23.250 --> 00:19:32.190 Jim Hamilton: who purchased the root and the more the more I learned about it, the more curious I was about it, and you know live in here and working with a wide number of.
00:19:32.820 --> 00:19:38.010 Jim Hamilton: Property property owners and locals I just came to learn more about it and really.
00:19:38.460 --> 00:19:51.060 Jim Hamilton: You know that's that's where my I guess passion for the plant come from, because it is it's it's it's becoming more and more scarce due to overharvesting and you, there are a few TV shows a while back that that that led to that.
00:19:51.390 --> 00:19:53.040 Joseph McElroy: Right well you know.
00:19:54.180 --> 00:20:14.520 Joseph McElroy: You know I picked that song didn't sing sell them for a couple reasons, one that spoke to you know didn't sing as a as a financial force of income and solving Scotch Irish right so it's been a part of the Scotch Irish settlers economics for several hundred years right.
00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:24.540 Jim Hamilton: Right yeah it was so you know there's there's several species of ginseng as far as the plants concerned and the Asian Jen saying.
00:20:25.080 --> 00:20:34.140 Jim Hamilton: A pan so to get not to get too scientific, but the scientific name for Asian Jen seeing his pen X gen saying in the pan, X is the Latin for.
00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:44.730 Jim Hamilton: panacea for everything, because it was it was considered a plant that was good for everything was good for good for your heart, good for blood pressure regulation, good for.
00:20:45.330 --> 00:20:56.430 Jim Hamilton: Maintaining your blood sugar as a state as a stimulant and the in traditional Chinese medicine and in Asia ginseng has been harvested for for.
00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:07.650 Jim Hamilton: Five millennia, apparently, so you know over 5000 years apparently what you know wars and dynasties rose and fell related to the ginseng trade in China.
00:21:08.130 --> 00:21:19.230 Jim Hamilton: But then, in the in the early 1700s and 1716 there was a French jazz mesh missionary Joseph fluffy toe who was stationed kind of outside of Toronto.
00:21:19.650 --> 00:21:30.690 Jim Hamilton: Many worked with a mohawk the mohawk and the iroquois in that area, and one of his one of his Jesuit redland brethren in China had sent a little monograph over have a picture of.
00:21:31.230 --> 00:21:40.500 Jim Hamilton: Chinese Jen saying and and describe the benefits of it and how it was used in Asia, and he had either seen it or spoke to some some of the natives.
00:21:40.950 --> 00:21:47.520 Jim Hamilton: In that area and figured out that there was an American species of it, so he described it wrote it up drew it out.
00:21:48.210 --> 00:21:53.820 Jim Hamilton: described how it was used and submitted it to some big consortium and in Europe.
00:21:54.330 --> 00:22:09.450 Jim Hamilton: And it was officially recognized and so by once it was sort of recognized it, you know it sort of formed an additional backbone of the American trade economy with China so that's some of the kind of really deep historical roots that this this This plan has.
00:22:10.470 --> 00:22:23.070 Jim Hamilton: In 1784 it was Jim thing was was was in barrels shipped on the very first flagship of the United States to China to canton on a you know, a trade junket.
00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:34.740 Jim Hamilton: And, and even Daniel boone you know who to reverse all over the you know the smokies and here in the high country Western North Carolina there's a there's a reference to him and in 1787.
00:22:35.550 --> 00:22:44.490 Jim Hamilton: carrying a barge load of tensing up the Ohio river and the barge actually sank had a capsized and he lost the barrels of gin saying.
00:22:45.090 --> 00:22:53.760 Jim Hamilton: But you know ginseng used to be so plentiful in the mountains, that you know the story goes, as he said, well boys I guess we'll just you know hit the woods and dig some.
00:22:55.110 --> 00:23:09.150 Jim Hamilton: He would he would hire and Daniel boone would would conscript or higher either Native Americans are locals to help them dig Jensen, because it was part of the it was part of the export trade to China, you know as early as the late late 1800s or 1700s.
00:23:09.870 --> 00:23:17.040 Joseph McElroy: Now, did you know didn't the cherokee and other indigenous cultures use the route and sell it long before.
00:23:18.330 --> 00:23:18.960 Joseph McElroy: The.
00:23:21.510 --> 00:23:22.350 Joseph McElroy: settlers use it.
00:23:22.620 --> 00:23:33.690 Jim Hamilton: Oh absolutely you know it was used as a tonic I know that the cherokee have specific words for it, the the mohawk and the iroquois would use it, I think they would they would.
00:23:34.590 --> 00:23:42.390 Jim Hamilton: I read somewhere that they would they would binge on it before before going to war before serious negotiations.
00:23:43.110 --> 00:23:46.350 Jim Hamilton: Because for the for the energy aspect of it and.
00:23:46.890 --> 00:23:56.310 Jim Hamilton: And I, and again I read read somewhere else, that you know the cherokee said that you know ginseng was sort of like you know much like in Chinese culture ginseng a sort of like a person.
00:23:56.610 --> 00:24:01.830 Jim Hamilton: If it if it doesn't work if you don't honor the forests or if you don't if you don't respect.
00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:08.010 Jim Hamilton: Respect dancing in the woods around it, then, then it won't let you find it, it will actually hide from you.
00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:23.490 Jim Hamilton: And as and as someone who's hundred dancing and it looked for dancing in areas where I knew it was it can it's it can be very tricky and difficult to find because it's a very small, you know, a small cryptic little plant, you know, really.
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:31.020 Jim Hamilton: Probably you know 300 years ago when it was more prolific and and grew to the size that.
00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:42.750 Jim Hamilton: That it grew to before we started harvesting it, you know, a big plant might hit you in the hip you know, these days, if you find a plant that that's high enough to hit you in the knees that's that's a decent sized.
00:24:43.620 --> 00:24:45.180 Joseph McElroy: And what color are the flowers.
00:24:46.020 --> 00:24:51.840 Jim Hamilton: So it's got really tiny white flowers, it is flowering right now in in the smokies.
00:24:53.280 --> 00:25:02.580 Jim Hamilton: In here in the high country to so if you're these it's a small head of flowers that'll turn into these really blood red berries.
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:15.150 Jim Hamilton: Later in the summer and a lot of folks who dig dancing and hunting fencing we'll we'll start hunting it when the berries turn but you know number one, it makes them easy to find and and and number two.
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:32.040 Jim Hamilton: You know it's required that you that you replant those berries before you before you dig up the dig up the route because it's a perennial it's a perennial plant, it can live for over 100 years it's a it's like I said it's a really unique unique plant.
00:25:34.080 --> 00:25:39.060 Joseph McElroy: What would you say, are the most popular medicinal uses and.
00:25:40.110 --> 00:25:42.060 Joseph McElroy: You know how does it use.
00:25:42.990 --> 00:25:57.660 Jim Hamilton: So if you if you dig into the literature on on Jen saying there hasn't been a ton of of truly medicinal research on it in in the United States now there's a journal of ginseng research out of Korea.
00:25:58.050 --> 00:26:09.330 Jim Hamilton: Where they're really delving into the medicinal qualities but energy has been the is the number one use and they've done a study, I believe it was a university of Michigan or Michigan state study.
00:26:10.560 --> 00:26:25.770 Jim Hamilton: Giving ginseng to cancer patients increased their their energy levels in traditional Chinese medicine, so you know now i'm going to miss i'm going to miss pronounce this because that's how my son the roots told me to say you know you have ya yin and Yang.
00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:33.990 Jim Hamilton: Right, I was corrected by Chinese you know medicinal expert who corrected me said it's young gym it's not yet.
00:26:35.430 --> 00:26:48.750 Jim Hamilton: So in Chinese medicine Asian Jen saying, which is pan X gen saying is is young Jen saying it's it's hot energy its heat its heat the heat hottest.
00:26:49.530 --> 00:27:01.260 Jim Hamilton: So you take Chinese dancing in the wintertime if you're cold or have chills you drink it in tea, or you, you know consume it and powdered form in a meal or as a supplement.
00:27:01.770 --> 00:27:10.920 Jim Hamilton: Well, American ginseng panics kink Holiness is yen energy so it's cool energy it's what you take.
00:27:11.550 --> 00:27:22.710 Jim Hamilton: What you take in the in the in the summertime when you're when you're really hot and you need that that that that boost of a boost of energy so it'd be like a really nice frosty cold CAP frappuccino.
00:27:23.370 --> 00:27:30.900 Jim Hamilton: You know the in here in the US, we consume coffee, the way the way folks in China, probably consumed sensing.
00:27:31.890 --> 00:27:37.530 Joseph McElroy: i'm trying to figure out figure out things to take caffeine all the time, we will investigate.
00:27:38.280 --> 00:27:43.950 Jim Hamilton: Give ginseng give ginseng a try, you know, during the during the summer, when I can find fresh Jen saying oh.
00:27:44.610 --> 00:27:54.510 Jim Hamilton: la fe i'll pop a route into into a smoothie it's very bitter the route itself is very bitter so it takes it takes the edge off the sweetness of a smoothie.
00:27:55.380 --> 00:28:05.820 Jim Hamilton: My wife, really, really, really likes really likes dancing and the smoothies and and and yeah it gives you that you know it gives you the coffee, you know the the coffee buzz without the jitters.
00:28:05.970 --> 00:28:14.700 Joseph McElroy: Alright cool well when we come back i'll talk a little bit more we'll talk a little bit more about economics don't get into your book sounds great listening to.
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:16.140 Joseph McElroy: Talk radio.
00:31:00.840 --> 00:31:12.660 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with a gateway to the smokies podcasts and my guest Jim Hamilton you were talking agency so Jim you know that song.
00:31:13.860 --> 00:31:26.220 Joseph McElroy: didn't single cell but also brought up another thing and negative stereotyping of people hunting Jim said Jen saying and southern appalachian, what do you think about that is Is that true why, why do you think it happened.
00:31:27.030 --> 00:31:41.280 Jim Hamilton: Well, they were so they were a series of reality shows it came out right around 2013 that sort of corresponded with the highest ginseng price, you know to date ginseng hit.
00:31:41.820 --> 00:31:53.010 Jim Hamilton: Around 1300 dollars a pound in 2013 and and about that time he had shows a couple of on the history channel there was appalachian outlaws and you had smoky mountain money.
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:54.990 Jim Hamilton: And hillbilly good.
00:31:55.500 --> 00:32:05.670 Jim Hamilton: And filthy riches and you know those shows just portrayed your you know what I think a lot of people perceive appalachians as.
00:32:06.120 --> 00:32:12.780 Jim Hamilton: A you know running around the woods of grabbing as much ginseng as they could to make to make a fortune.
00:32:13.260 --> 00:32:27.810 Jim Hamilton: And that you know the downside of that is is that it drew a lot of and needed attention to the plant itself, which is already stressed as far as its population, and you know for Kennedy go so.
00:32:28.830 --> 00:32:37.410 Jim Hamilton: You know that the only the only bright side of those of those shows, and the stereotypes, is that the more people became interested in it, and I think.
00:32:38.070 --> 00:32:44.730 Jim Hamilton: A vast majority of them became more interested in it as as something that they could plant.
00:32:45.630 --> 00:32:50.280 Jim Hamilton: In their own on their own properties here in the mountains or in their own woods and it.
00:32:50.790 --> 00:33:00.060 Jim Hamilton: You know it sort of is caused a really you know sort of a reconnection for some folks who remember their their parents or their grandparents taking them out as kids to.
00:33:00.510 --> 00:33:09.720 Jim Hamilton: You know, to hunt ginseng back in the day, so I mean that's the that's the only silver lining out of those shows, because you know everyone thinks, you know moonshine bluegrass.
00:33:10.170 --> 00:33:24.660 Jim Hamilton: dancing and and it in it, you know those negative negative stereotypes are are are are just you know don't don't represent the you know the the true art and science behind.
00:33:25.560 --> 00:33:34.440 Jim Hamilton: The wild harvesters who really are their true stewards of the land, and you know, there are poachers and you, you know if you if you Google ginseng poaching or.
00:33:34.860 --> 00:33:42.420 Jim Hamilton: ginseng and the smoky mountains you'll you'll you'll see these articles and newspaper stories about you know people.
00:33:43.170 --> 00:33:56.970 Jim Hamilton: Illegally harvesting Jen sing on in the great smokies but, but you know I work with a lot of property owners who are interested in, you know, preserving the integrity of the plant and that you know those those kind of.
00:33:57.870 --> 00:34:03.060 Jim Hamilton: The preserving a part of their of their heritage in their in their childhood too.
00:34:05.070 --> 00:34:12.720 Joseph McElroy: So it's fairly regularly now right, and there can you say people have farms so there's both there's both the wild and there's also the.
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:15.900 Joseph McElroy: Culture cultivated.
00:34:16.080 --> 00:34:16.350 Young.
00:34:18.990 --> 00:34:31.170 Jim Hamilton: yeah they said that most of the, the majority of the cult of agency, so the cultivated ginseng is grown on large commercialized farms, mainly in Wisconsin and then Ontario Canada.
00:34:31.620 --> 00:34:45.600 Jim Hamilton: you're under it's produced under shade cloth it's heavily fertilized it's till this heavily managed they harvested in about four years that's the stuff that brings about 50 bucks a pound that's the stuff that's in your so be energy drinks your monster energy drinks.
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.490 Joseph McElroy: as good as the wild stuff right.
00:34:47.850 --> 00:34:51.300 Jim Hamilton: Now that's that's the stuff that cheap stuff goes into this little yellow jacket.
00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:53.850 Jim Hamilton: truck they might find that the you know at the.
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:56.250 Jim Hamilton: At the at the Kangaroo or.
00:34:56.820 --> 00:34:59.910 Joseph McElroy: You want to come to the mountains and get some of the real life stuff right.
00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:13.890 Jim Hamilton: yeah the real now the real wild stuff and ginseng is sold on on how it looks and the older the older in larger the gen saying the better so most most dealers who buy ginseng from local diggers.
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:25.080 Jim Hamilton: are looking for plants that are are a minimum of about 10 years old, and you can you can gauge the age and the quality of a of a ginseng root, by the way it looks now.
00:35:26.010 --> 00:35:37.080 Joseph McElroy: Is there have been shops and places to buy and and consumer oriented ability to participate in genesis in culture in the mountains that have popped up.
00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:49.350 Jim Hamilton: You know not not not really that you know, probably 99% of all the gym seeing that gets harvested from the mountains in ends up in in China or Hong Kong in some way or Korea in some shape or form.
00:35:50.550 --> 00:35:55.620 Jim Hamilton: yeah we have had a lot of you know that with with more and more Korean.
00:35:57.510 --> 00:36:10.620 Jim Hamilton: Korean residents in our larger cities ginseng is also a major part of Korean culture in in in food there I just I saw a podcast from the smithsonian folklife museum on.
00:36:11.730 --> 00:36:21.960 Jim Hamilton: On on ginseng chicken soup that's a Korean Korean dish now the Koreans will buy they'll actually come up and and and contact the dealers directly.
00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:31.890 Jim Hamilton: And purchase fresh Jen saying to consume, you know in in the US, but as far as retail outlets for ginseng products i've seen some Jensen tease.
00:36:33.210 --> 00:36:34.500 Jim Hamilton: I don't have a box of tea here.
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:38.070 Joseph McElroy: Where do you where do you get your James James thing that you put in your smoothies.
00:36:39.510 --> 00:36:41.040 Jim Hamilton: that's found in the woods and i'm not.
00:36:42.600 --> 00:36:46.350 Joseph McElroy: Sure, oh so, how do you how do you how do you know it's a good area to look for gen say.
00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:49.200 Jim Hamilton: Well, I know, Joseph the first rule Jensen clothes you.
00:36:49.200 --> 00:36:49.380 don't.
00:36:53.700 --> 00:37:03.390 Jim Hamilton: Know there's, you know as as as rare as it as it is in the wild you can still find patches of it and and I have some some that I started from seed.
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:14.130 Jim Hamilton: You can find there's some ginseng Facebook groups that are really popular and if you if you say you're looking for seed, you can get some planet, so I my mind comes out of the woods, but.
00:37:14.580 --> 00:37:22.830 Jim Hamilton: You know they're the agent marketing you there in New York City, where you are i'm sure if you walk down to one of the Asian markets in China town you.
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:36.900 Joseph McElroy: live in North Carolina didn't say, but I mean i'm done i'm done smoky mountains, all the time, so I want to look, I want to look at things I never did growing up, as we didn't go after Jim saying so I you know I should experience that yeah.
00:37:37.050 --> 00:37:38.700 Jim Hamilton: Well there's a right right before.
00:37:40.290 --> 00:37:47.940 Jim Hamilton: On your way to the paper mill down there there's it's called Carolina bait and that they are adjusting their ginseng dealer.
00:37:48.960 --> 00:38:06.840 Jim Hamilton: Just in there in Clyde just down the road from you and and and and you can you can find dancing there during the season, you know season opens up September 1 and you know most of what they're there they're buying dancing to then sell to the roaming bands of buyers that come through.
00:38:07.230 --> 00:38:08.640 Jim Hamilton: Around around.
00:38:08.670 --> 00:38:18.660 Jim Hamilton: You know, between between thanksgiving and Christmas is when the the Asian buyers come to export it back over to China for the Chinese New Year cool oh.
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:21.150 Joseph McElroy: I want to.
00:38:22.200 --> 00:38:37.140 Joseph McElroy: Make sure we have some time to talk about your book, so you have a book called the last entry and it's it's paying the woodland tones of Western North carolina's rural mountains and you weave a natural history of the story.
00:38:39.300 --> 00:38:48.480 Joseph McElroy: The story of characters that reflect our diversity here and the black market economy for June six tell us about this book and it was, I think it once an award right.
00:38:49.140 --> 00:38:52.170 Jim Hamilton: yeah it was so this was about a five year project, you know i've.
00:38:52.560 --> 00:39:00.600 Jim Hamilton: Written a lot over my career more technical stuff and in you know, there was all there's already a couple of great books there's a nonfiction book explaining.
00:39:00.870 --> 00:39:05.820 Jim Hamilton: kind of the culture and history of dancing and then there's there's a couple of technical guides out there, but nobody had written.
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:17.640 Jim Hamilton: A book of fiction, you know that never seen a you know, a book that really you know told the story of dancing as it applies here in the mountains so so yeah it's it's a it's a coming of age.
00:39:18.330 --> 00:39:32.010 Jim Hamilton: novel set in in appalachia but it's it's set under the background of the of the ginseng trade and it got a I was, I was shocked it got nominated for the Thomas Wolfe memorial memorial.
00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:39.900 Jim Hamilton: literary award which was, which was a which was on a you know, on a humbling honor to just be nominated for that.
00:39:40.410 --> 00:39:54.450 Jim Hamilton: And it was a quarter finalists in for the the book life prize, which is a it's a it's an award for for independent or small small run book so i've been i've been pleased with with the with with the response.
00:39:55.260 --> 00:39:58.560 Joseph McElroy: As I said in the current time is set in current times are.
00:39:58.590 --> 00:40:10.500 Jim Hamilton: Pretty pretty pretty current I would, I would say, you know I really don't know either I guess there's a couple of mentions a it's probably from that from the 80s, the 80s, through the early 2000s is when a bit.
00:40:11.130 --> 00:40:11.700 Jim Hamilton: But uh.
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.240 Joseph McElroy: yeah lots of a thriller is it a romance what is it.
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:19.320 Jim Hamilton: I would say it's sort of a it's sort of a his his.
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:25.230 Jim Hamilton: I would just call it a you know, a coming of age drama I guess.
00:40:25.950 --> 00:40:34.560 Jim Hamilton: An act, you know more of an action commercial fiction, I think, is what it would qualify as but there's some.
00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:45.780 Jim Hamilton: You know the the, the editor who helped me with the book kept telling me, you know because i'm in education, he kept saying quit teaching quitting.
00:40:46.410 --> 00:40:58.770 Jim Hamilton: tell the story quit teaching about the about the plan, but um there's a it has all of the all the conflict and drama, you know that you that you'd find in a in a in a contemporary novel so.
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.810 Joseph McElroy: that's great can I get a copy.
00:41:01.140 --> 00:41:03.810 Jim Hamilton: Oh yeah yes me address i'll send you a copy for sure.
00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:14.250 Joseph McElroy: Alright cool alright yeah we're we're actually geared up we're starting to sell books too so maybe we can look at yours as a possible entry in our mountain heritage Center.
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:29.310 Jim Hamilton: Oh yeah the amount that that would be perfect, you know a lot of most of the best ginseng actually comes from that that haywood county you know haywood in Jackson county area in the smokies the the soil.
00:41:30.450 --> 00:41:39.810 Jim Hamilton: The soil is is really black in the routes that come out of there are really valued by by the buyers, probably the only other place.
00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:55.140 Jim Hamilton: Where ginseng is more valuable would be the catskills in New York, a very narrow band of hollers in the catskills but other than that smoky smoky mountain Jen saying is is the highest next highest quality ginseng in the US.
00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:01.950 Joseph McElroy: Oh yeah I mean the mountains, I mean there's got amazing soil for a lot of these sort of heirloom type.
00:42:03.450 --> 00:42:10.020 Joseph McElroy: Growth, you know you people used to be ramps for a sort of a rarity that you got now you get ramps at whole foods.
00:42:12.510 --> 00:42:12.780 Jim Hamilton: yeah.
00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:17.880 Joseph McElroy: But yeah there's other other things yeah so.
00:42:18.450 --> 00:42:21.000 Jim Hamilton: Well, and that's what you know Jensen came from those.
00:42:21.540 --> 00:42:35.670 Jim Hamilton: You know, back in the back in the day you didn't have a CVs or walgreens on the corner, you know if you had if you had a case of hemorrhoids you headed up to witch hazel holler and grabbed a handful of leaves made you a cultist and and put it where it needed to go.
00:42:35.970 --> 00:42:36.570 So.
00:42:37.650 --> 00:42:49.980 Jim Hamilton: ginseng was one of those you know medicinal plants that was that was that was used alongside many of the other forest medicinal herbs that are you know really native to native to our mountains.
00:42:51.390 --> 00:42:53.220 Joseph McElroy: All right, well you know we're gonna take.
00:42:54.270 --> 00:43:02.700 Joseph McElroy: A final break here and then we'll come back and we'll talk a little bit about your life in that in the smokies and yeah things that you think people should understand.
00:43:03.180 --> 00:43:03.900 Jim Hamilton: sounds great.
00:43:05.850 --> 00:43:08.010 Joseph McElroy: Listening to radio.
00:43:10.890 --> 00:43:11.370 Key.
00:45:22.200 --> 00:45:28.380 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin mcilroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcasts and my guests and Jim.
00:45:29.550 --> 00:45:40.380 Joseph McElroy: Jim you do a lot of seminars around the state and yeah and you're going to be doing one at the metal our mountain is settling down here to send it on August 28 what what's the kind of content that you do.
00:45:41.310 --> 00:45:52.230 Jim Hamilton: As well i'll probably get into a lot more deep detail and depth into the history and culture of gin sing in the area and also do do.
00:45:52.680 --> 00:46:03.270 Jim Hamilton: Planting and sort of an educational lecture on you know the best the best site companion plants, how to how to plant ginseng how to establish.
00:46:03.750 --> 00:46:13.050 Jim Hamilton: You know your own your own patch of gin saying and other you know medicinal plants on your own property so that's that's The goal of the of the talk, they are the middle Arc.
00:46:13.410 --> 00:46:16.560 Joseph McElroy: Oh fabulous can you do it on flatland does it have to be in the mountains.
00:46:17.490 --> 00:46:29.010 Jim Hamilton: You know ginseng has a wide range, but it just it works so well in the mountains i've told people before that you know you can plant some seed and try it at home if you're outside of the appalachians but the plant.
00:46:29.430 --> 00:46:37.200 Jim Hamilton: really needs those uh you know, several days of below freezing cold for the for the for the plant to.
00:46:37.710 --> 00:46:54.000 Jim Hamilton: germinate and following year and come up right so but, but any anywhere around the smoky if you've got a you got a house or property in the smokies or really anywhere in the appalachian mountains, if you have a nice shady hardwoods spot it should grow cool.
00:46:54.330 --> 00:46:55.260 Joseph McElroy: So you live in.
00:46:56.970 --> 00:47:01.950 Joseph McElroy: You live in the near boone North Carolina which is sort of north of the smokies.
00:47:02.220 --> 00:47:05.880 Joseph McElroy: And we haven't talked a lot about that area, what do you, what do you love about that areas.
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:21.210 Jim Hamilton: So boone other, otherwise known as is the high country is is is home to appalachian State University, and you know I I settled here to work to work in the Christmas tree industry that with my with my forestry background.
00:47:22.620 --> 00:47:28.560 Jim Hamilton: I came here at you know i've been originally from from Alabama it's it's it's the the mountains are a little higher, although.
00:47:28.950 --> 00:47:37.080 Jim Hamilton: Although I know they're in haywood K wood county is the most mountainous county East of the Mississippi, but I would say that you know some of the some of the peaks here.
00:47:38.220 --> 00:47:47.760 Jim Hamilton: In the boone area, you know get that higher topic, you know grandfather mountain is is a is a pretty popular destination for a lot of folks coming up.
00:47:48.690 --> 00:48:05.100 Jim Hamilton: into the high country and and you know I like it's it's a small town very the town itself is very similar to waynesville with you know, surrounded by surrounded by mountains and being someone who likes to spend more time in the woods than in the office.
00:48:06.060 --> 00:48:13.650 Jim Hamilton: yeah it's just a great it's just a great fit and we have real winners and real snow and and that's that's a that's why i've come to come to love it here.
00:48:14.220 --> 00:48:23.610 Joseph McElroy: Well, if you had if something was to come visit and wanted a good itinerary to experience boom what would they do, starting with Where would you go for breakfast.
00:48:24.240 --> 00:48:33.390 Jim Hamilton: overbred see I wouldn't waste too much time with breakfast I would get so this I would bring breakfast to go okay now i've got some other restaurant choices for light lunch and dinner.
00:48:33.390 --> 00:48:42.990 Jim Hamilton: But I would hit a trail early off of the blue Ridge parkway i'd bring a pack your own uh you know trail mix or breakfast on the road.
00:48:43.530 --> 00:48:53.580 Jim Hamilton: And I would if it's me i'm going to go to one of the more scenic overlook trails that we have up here called rough Ridge, which is kind of between boone and blowing rock.
00:48:54.060 --> 00:49:01.410 Jim Hamilton: And you just can't be you know the sunrise in the morning hike hike there if you got back early enough.
00:49:02.250 --> 00:49:12.540 Jim Hamilton: In the morning you could hit you could hit sunny Rock in Bowling rock for breakfast there that's probably one of the better breakfast places, but personally I probably pack my own breakfast.
00:49:12.630 --> 00:49:13.500 Joseph McElroy: Alright cool.
00:49:15.060 --> 00:49:18.090 Joseph McElroy: After that Nice adventure Where would you go for lunch.
00:49:18.870 --> 00:49:24.120 Jim Hamilton: Oh well, if i'm in the blue and rock area I would probably go to the the speckled trout.
00:49:24.720 --> 00:49:33.360 Jim Hamilton: they've got just at you have some great American affair that's all sourced low from the farms around here we've got a lot of a lot of farm to table opportunities.
00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:45.450 Jim Hamilton: In the area if I managed to make it into into boone I would probably probably get a pizza and and and in a cold cold beer at last province.
00:49:46.170 --> 00:49:51.480 Jim Hamilton: You know boone this area, the high country used to be called the last province North Carolina because it was so hard to get to.
00:49:51.990 --> 00:50:03.390 Jim Hamilton: And and they've opened up they've got wood fired pizzas and they brew a number of their own beers and that's that's a great lunch spot and then just just around the corner you've got the mass general store.
00:50:04.230 --> 00:50:10.320 Jim Hamilton: You know if you wanted to get your shopping in and you they I gotta give them a plug they're actually carrying my.
00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:15.270 Jim Hamilton: God that would you spend your afternoon.
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:21.000 Jim Hamilton: Oh, you know if if the weather's right, I would take a canoe trip the the new river here.
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:36.510 Jim Hamilton: is great for either either inner tubing or canoeing or kayaking that the the river is not that deep, you can pull off at various different points, and you know, like I said i'm all i'm all about the outdoors so i'm going to spend it, you know.
00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:41.490 Joseph McElroy: Maybe Spencer, I was wondering when you come back from that you'd go to dinner where.
00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:59.130 Jim Hamilton: yeah so If so, if i'm in so so you know if it's if it's me i'm going to either either maybe be stroh Rocha in blowing rock it's just off of Main Street and bone rock and when I get done there's a there's a kill ones ice cream place and that's my my son's actually work in there.
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:00.510 Joseph McElroy: All right, there you go.
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:18.180 Jim Hamilton: that's his that's his his summer job as a teenager and then, if i'm if i'm in boone i'd be at one of the many, many restaurants on King street, but one of my favorites is is is vidalia they've just you know great American affair locally sourced their specials are incredible.
00:51:19.500 --> 00:51:25.020 Jim Hamilton: And you know, and then I you know i'd take a stroll down down King street to you know to kind of.
00:51:25.710 --> 00:51:27.720 Jim Hamilton: To work off to work off the dinner.
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.110 Joseph McElroy: And then maybe entertainment places finish up with.
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:46.020 Jim Hamilton: You know there's a few there's there's always some there's there's live music on the weekends at several of the breweries have in town in the I know in late July there's the symphony on the lake, which is a show tola in blowing rock.
00:51:46.830 --> 00:51:50.550 Jim Hamilton: that's a big event but there there's a there's a whole lineup of.
00:51:52.170 --> 00:52:01.320 Jim Hamilton: You know of music at ED either at the last province or appalachian mountain brewery or moonshine I mean not not to get into the beer theme, but you can see.
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:07.140 Jim Hamilton: Where my life has become known for breweries yep so good good good.
00:52:10.230 --> 00:52:13.320 Joseph McElroy: So how do people get your book and how they follow you.
00:52:14.100 --> 00:52:31.950 Jim Hamilton: So i'm on i'm on Facebook Jim V Hamilton is where you can you find me on Facebook, but uh you know the book is in some independent southern independent bookstores one here in downtown boone you know foggy pine down your way, I believe, Chris wilcox at at.
00:52:33.030 --> 00:52:50.250 Jim Hamilton: At the bookstore there and silver city lights, he should have some copies, I sent him a cinnamon box of books, I guess, about a year ago, and then you know, then everyone sort of has to go to the to the to the grand demon Amazon COM if you're not if you're not.
00:52:50.250 --> 00:52:50.550 Joseph McElroy: From the.
00:52:51.690 --> 00:52:59.250 Jim Hamilton: You can find it under the last entry on on Amazon it's in it's an e book paperback and I think there's some hard hard covers floating around.
00:52:59.250 --> 00:52:59.430 there.
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:05.070 Joseph McElroy: cool will be will be carrying suited up i'm smokies adventure and meadowlark background.
00:53:05.130 --> 00:53:08.640 Jim Hamilton: Great i'll bring i'll bring some books down to Bob there in August.
00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:19.170 Joseph McElroy: Alright sounds good, so I want to thank you for being on the show I got it so my own shout outs Now you can go to gateways to the smokies fun and find out more about this podcast.
00:53:20.010 --> 00:53:27.990 Joseph McElroy: there's also a link to a contest right now for the the bluegrass band camp thumbs why 17th to win a two nights day and free.
00:53:28.650 --> 00:53:39.990 Joseph McElroy: Free admission to both the seminars and to the to the concert on July 17 Saturday so go there, you can find a the entrance to the context.
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00:55:17.670 --> 00:55:31.230 Joseph McElroy: Next week we're going to have Darren Nicholson talking about from also arranged talking about the bluegrass band camp and his career in the bluegrass bluegrass legend grammy award nominated and a world class.
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:48.330 Joseph McElroy: player for a lot of different bands now even bought a pound help bound balsam range and we're pretty proud to be having a long, so this is next Tuesday from six to seven, I look forward to seeing you then Thank you Jim and we're now signing off.