This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Psychologist and author, Serge Kahili King, PhD.
Serge Kahili King, Ph.D. has his doctorate in psychology and is well-known for his many books, videos and articles on Hawaiian culture, shamanism and healing, which include Huna: Ancient Hawaiian Secrets for Modern Living, Urban Shaman, Instant Healing, and his newest release, Dreaming Techniques.
He has recorded over 5000 of his own dreams, worked with the dreams of clients at his own hypnotherapy clinic for ten years, has taught about dreams and dreaming in classes and workshops for over 40 years, and has studied the beliefs and practices of dreams and dreaming from many different countries and cultures around the world.
Sam starts with a quote from his book Everyday Awakening. Today’s section is called, “Our Physical and Emotional Health are Interdependent.” This section explored the impact that your emotional health can have on the body and the importance of finding a safe space to express yourself. He welcomes his guest Serge Kahili King, a psychologist who has studied dreams and taught people about his findings for over 40 years. From a young age, Serge has had an affinity for the indigenous cultures of Hawaii because his father was adopted by a family from that culture. He practiced Hula dancing and playing the ukulele. After seven years spent in Africa doing community development, Serge returned to the states with his family and decided to pursue his PHD in Psychology.
Serge talks about shamanism and the way that it is misunderstood by people in western cultures. When Serge decided that he wanted to bring the knowledge of shamanism to the cities, he realized that shamans across cultures decided to do the same. In his book Serge discusses night dreams, daydreams and liminal dreams. Liminal means, the things that happen that shouldn’t. He gives an example of a liminal dream experience. Serge realized that most books about dreams were about interpretation and there was a lot left out. He decided to write a book and fill the large gap that he noticed in information.
The Huna believe that dreams are memories of the ancestors or information from them that can help in life. There is a strong connection between dreams and waking life. In order to remember your dreams, Serge recommends that you write them down. There are other ways to help your ability to recall, like the affirmation to remember, relaxing when you wake up and returning to the position you woke up in, eating cheese, and some even believe that having a crystal under your pillow will help. Serge has divided lucid dreams into four types; one where you know who you are, you consciously make a change, recognition that it is a dream. According to a study that serge cited, people who play video games experience lucid dreams often. He attributes this to the fact that they are practicing control of a virtual world in a way that is parallel to lucid dreams.
Lucid dreaming requires a lot of practice. Once you are able to control your dreams, you develop the tools to exercise influence in your waking life. This is only possible if you continue to process as you awaken. With his book Serge hopes to help people by providing techniques to improve, expand and change their life. To learn more about Serge Kahili King and the power of dreams, visit www.huna.org. On his site, there are nineteen books available for purchase.
00:00:58.680 --> 00:01:09.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co creators, welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant our awakening humanity.
00:01:09.420 --> 00:01:20.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I am very, very pleased that you were all here with me today we have a fascinating guest in store for you today, I am really looking forward to today's show.
00:01:21.270 --> 00:01:34.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But before I get to introduce him first as as many of you know i've exchanged our quotes of the day, from the universe, and from Abraham for a small section from my book.
00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:46.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Everyday awakening so I just thought I would share again another section of and i'm just kind of going through these in order so those of you who are loyal listeners who tune in tune in every week.
00:01:46.650 --> 00:01:54.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: you're getting to see me go through the whole book so let's get started let's see today's section is called.
00:01:55.050 --> 00:02:05.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Our physical and emotional health are inter dependent, the connection between our emotions and bodies is much deeper than many people think.
00:02:05.610 --> 00:02:16.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: As humans, we have a tendency to disconnect the physical from the emotions, we feel we think that being upset or being happy has no effect on how our bodies function.
00:02:17.370 --> 00:02:24.360 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yet the opposite is true, our feelings are intricately intertwined with our physical bodies.
00:02:24.990 --> 00:02:32.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When we are stressed when we are depressed when we are frightened our body's internal mechanisms all shift.
00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:39.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Our immune systems don't work as well and blood flows either more slowly or at an accelerated rate.
00:02:40.050 --> 00:02:48.270 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Our digestion starts to shut down our breathing becomes shallower and less oxygen makes it into the bloodstream.
00:02:49.080 --> 00:03:05.820 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When we are joyful happy and content, our bodies respond by functioning quite well the immune system works better, the blood flow to all of our organs is steadier we breathe more deeply and the whole body is nourished.
00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:21.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When we suppress our emotions, the body reacts as well if we suppress and ignore our emotions over a long period of time, wherever we store these emotions in our bodies suffers from long term stress.
00:03:21.900 --> 00:03:41.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and disease begins to form advanced science is showing us that there is a direct correlation between our emotional and physical health, so if we genuinely want to be healthy throughout our lives emotional health is essential, but how do we become emotionally healthy.
00:03:42.540 --> 00:03:58.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: By expressing our emotions in a safe environment in working through our ups and our Downs instead of hiding them, we do not have to act on them, yet we cannot avoid feeling them and giving those feelings.
00:03:59.490 --> 00:04:09.900 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To and allowing those feelings, to have a voice that allows us to release them, we all need a safe space in which to express ourselves.
00:04:10.470 --> 00:04:24.510 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Can we find one or two people can you find one or two people you truly you feel truly safe with an express yourself to them a little talking and some real openness can go a long way.
00:04:26.190 --> 00:04:32.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So this section of the book is a blog post that I wrote quite a while ago.
00:04:34.050 --> 00:04:46.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When it really sort of became obvious to me how, when I personally was going through a difficult time, when I.
00:04:49.470 --> 00:04:57.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: sort of was was a holding on to these emotions and I didn't even realize that that when I.
00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:07.140 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know practice, some of the shamanistic work that I do when I was in ceremony, and I was able to release that energy.
00:05:08.430 --> 00:05:16.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: How much better, I felt how much it was like a weight had been lifted from my shoulders I didn't even know, I was carrying.
00:05:17.790 --> 00:05:29.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And somehow I felt more relaxed, I felt I felt more at ease and I felt like my body was actually responding to things much better.
00:05:30.750 --> 00:05:40.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And it was really quite interesting because once I did have these emotional releases and once I did let go of these these emotional charges, I was holding on to.
00:05:41.280 --> 00:05:46.140 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: People actually were saying to me hey Sam you know you look a little bit younger what have you been doing.
00:05:46.650 --> 00:05:51.270 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Did you lose weight, I always get that did you lose weight I don't know why people always seem to think i'm.
00:05:51.810 --> 00:06:09.150 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: whatsoever, but it, and the answer was usually I might have but it wasn't losing the weight it was releasing the energy I had been holding on to by not expressing by not being present to my emotions.
00:06:10.380 --> 00:06:21.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and it's not always an easy thing we have this tendency, especially in society in America that it's not good to express our emotions we.
00:06:22.500 --> 00:06:40.950 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know men don't cry right or or or it's not good to be angry and and again i'm not saying we should act upon these emotions it's not about yelling and screaming at another person who who we feel hurt by.
00:06:42.780 --> 00:06:52.770 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But it might be about yelling and screaming at a pillow or yelling and screaming at someone who has nothing to do with it, but just asking them to hold space, so they know what to expect.
00:06:54.210 --> 00:07:04.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because oftentimes our emotions are so tied up with what we're experiencing from other people, that in order to truly release it in order to be.
00:07:05.850 --> 00:07:21.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: to feel like we've we're being seen and we're being heard expressing ourselves with with having other people around witnessing us it really makes such a huge difference, which is why I so much believe in the work that I do.
00:07:22.470 --> 00:07:25.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because i've seen the benefits myself in my own life.
00:07:27.090 --> 00:07:30.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so, this is just a little reminder that.
00:07:32.220 --> 00:07:40.590 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And there have been all kinds of books and I also just want to say, like Dr gabor Mateo has a wonderful book, I believe the title is when the body says no.
00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:49.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: that's all about these studies, he did about the intricate relationship between a person's emotional health when they were growing up and their physical health.
00:07:50.070 --> 00:07:58.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so, when we're experiencing some something in our lives, something in our bodies that's just not functioning properly.
00:07:59.280 --> 00:08:11.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know I like to look on the energetic side, first, but the emotional side kind of gives us the breadcrumbs that leads us to the energetic side that can kind of show us, you know where is this really coming from.
00:08:12.540 --> 00:08:25.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because it's not always about Oh well, you know by diabetes, you know, because my parents had diabetes it's not always genetic we may have a genetic predisposition but how it is expressed.
00:08:27.570 --> 00:08:28.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But and how it is.
00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:31.650 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: How it shows up in ourselves.
00:08:32.670 --> 00:08:40.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah we may have a predisposition towards something but it's not going to express unless there was some emotional component to it.
00:08:41.550 --> 00:08:48.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Unless you know we're we're holding on to this stress of some situation and we're not letting it go.
00:08:48.660 --> 00:09:05.550 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But it's quite interesting that, when we do express ourselves when we do let go of this energy on a regular basis, you know somehow we don't get sick quite as much, and especially in today's time when people are more concerned about their health than ever before.
00:09:07.710 --> 00:09:10.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: we're really concerned about our physical health.
00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:16.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: paying attention to our emotional health or energetic health or spiritual health.
00:09:17.910 --> 00:09:19.950 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: helps so much.
00:09:21.510 --> 00:09:32.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and making sure we're physically healthy so wonderful little section from my book, everyday awakening and, if you like this section and you would like to.
00:09:32.550 --> 00:09:44.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Read the rest of the book, you can find it at every day awakening book.com and it's listed on Amazon and it's all the major booksellers books, a million Barnes and noble.
00:09:45.030 --> 00:09:56.700 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And even some independent bookstores, if you like, to shop at an independent bookstore I like to do that I like to support the independent 10 stores, they can actually order it it's in a major distributor so they can get it.
00:09:57.930 --> 00:10:05.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Alright, so wonderful way to kind of kick us off, and it is now my pleasure to introduce to you my guest.
00:10:07.590 --> 00:10:10.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: surge a QA Healy king.
00:10:12.390 --> 00:10:20.880 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: has his doctorate in psychology and is well known for his many books, I was actually looking he's got like I think a dozen books or more than a dozen books.
00:10:21.150 --> 00:10:33.510 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That he's written he's videos he's written articles on hawaiian culture shamanism healing including, and these are just a couple of his books, who know the ancient hawaiian secrets of mine at living.
00:10:34.050 --> 00:10:43.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Urban shaman which I definitely want to learn more about that and instant healing as well as his newest release which we're going to talk a lot about today dreaming techniques.
00:10:44.370 --> 00:10:53.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: search has recorded over 5000 of his own dreams worked with the dreams of clients at his own hypnotherapy clinics for over 10 years.
00:10:54.300 --> 00:11:10.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And there's taught about dreams and dreaming and classes and workshops for over 40 years skies no slouch and they studied the beliefs and practices of dreams and dreaming from many different countries and cultures around the world search welcome to the conscious consultant our.
00:11:11.130 --> 00:11:12.570 Serge King: Hello happy to be here.
00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:26.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Hello hi pleasure to have you and and dreaming, and the whole idea of of lucid dreaming and daydreaming, and all this stuff is something I love to talk about so i'm really excited to have you on the show today.
00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:40.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But, but I always like to start off, you know kind of giving our audience a little bit more about sort of your background and how did you get into this, I mean what sort of drew you to get a doctorate in psychology.
00:11:42.180 --> 00:11:44.520 Serge King: Okay there's a lot of things.
00:11:46.050 --> 00:11:48.510 Serge King: Let me start off with the fact that.
00:11:49.650 --> 00:11:53.310 Serge King: My father had was adopted by a white family when he was young men.
00:11:54.810 --> 00:11:55.050 Serge King: and
00:11:55.920 --> 00:11:56.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: white.
00:11:57.180 --> 00:11:58.680 Serge King: In Hawaii yes okay.
00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:01.350 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I said you grew up in Hawaii.
00:12:01.590 --> 00:12:02.070 Serge King: I don't.
00:12:02.160 --> 00:12:02.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: know how.
00:12:02.760 --> 00:12:03.690 Serge King: I grew up traveling.
00:12:04.410 --> 00:12:05.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Ah okay.
00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:11.070 Serge King: By the time I was five I had lived in all 48 states, which is all the time.
00:12:12.420 --> 00:12:33.300 Serge King: And, but anyway, when I got to a certain age when I became 14 my father asked if I was interested in in pursuing this kind of knowledge, which was pretty esoteric but I was very interested even before that kind of strangely to show how.
00:12:34.830 --> 00:12:36.510 Serge King: It was in me already.
00:12:38.610 --> 00:12:45.180 Serge King: My mother put my sister and I and dance school and one of the dances that I did, and I was the best dancer was hula.
00:12:46.260 --> 00:12:47.850 Serge King: That was in Los Angeles, when I.
00:12:47.850 --> 00:13:00.120 Serge King: was very young, they do in high school, I decided to pick out an instrument and they instrument, I chose, I chose without anything from my father or anything else the ukulele.
00:13:01.500 --> 00:13:08.010 Serge King: Which is, which is, I still play so there was this background already subconsciously.
00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:16.260 Serge King: So at 14 I kind of sort of kind of officially began the process of learning about this knowledge.
00:13:17.520 --> 00:13:20.400 Serge King: And so that's always been in the background.
00:13:21.570 --> 00:13:22.830 Serge King: With everything that i've done.
00:13:23.940 --> 00:13:25.320 Serge King: So you see.
00:13:27.420 --> 00:13:28.290 Serge King: behind me.
00:13:29.340 --> 00:13:31.320 Serge King: See you a lot of African things.
00:13:31.920 --> 00:13:34.800 Serge King: Right my wife and I spent seven years in Africa.
00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:39.780 Serge King: went there with one child came back with three and.
00:13:41.520 --> 00:13:44.190 Serge King: I was doing Community development which.
00:13:45.210 --> 00:13:49.350 Serge King: involved an awful lot, believe it or not involved an awful lot of psychology.
00:13:49.920 --> 00:13:51.720 Serge King: i'm learning how to deal with.
00:13:51.750 --> 00:13:52.320 Serge King: Both with.
00:13:52.770 --> 00:13:58.530 Serge King: Governments, with the US government's with the native people was a fabulous experience.
00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.060 Serge King: That was over, and which time I decided for my children to.
00:14:04.140 --> 00:14:07.230 Serge King: Go to about us schools, then.
00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:20.730 Serge King: I decided when I was looking around for what do I do know, I think that I needed and wanted to know more about what psychology itself, so I went for my PhD I already had a master's in.
00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:23.160 Serge King: International management.
00:14:23.820 --> 00:14:24.300 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: ice.
00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:26.880 Serge King: I got my PhD and began.
00:14:27.900 --> 00:14:29.460 Serge King: My practice which.
00:14:30.150 --> 00:14:33.300 Serge King: You mentioned was a hypnotherapy Institute.
00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:34.260 began.
00:14:35.610 --> 00:14:46.140 Serge King: And that's kind of how I got it now also I was continued my training when I came back to the states with my shamanic hawaiian training was with my.
00:14:47.070 --> 00:14:59.310 Serge King: hawaiian uncle and the and i'd always started with my hawaiian and when we lived in Los Angeles after coming from Africa and my wife's uncle continued teaching me.
00:14:59.640 --> 00:15:00.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And since then.
00:15:00.780 --> 00:15:02.580 Serge King: Okay, you got it oh.
00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.210 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah so it sounds like you've had this.
00:15:07.710 --> 00:15:10.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: affinity with indigenous cultures.
00:15:11.520 --> 00:15:12.780 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: throughout your whole life.
00:15:13.140 --> 00:15:20.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: that's right wow beautiful all right let's take our break it's it's a good place to stop and then, when we come back.
00:15:21.180 --> 00:15:33.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I want to talk to you a little bit more about the hawaiian culture about the shamanism about you know the sort of cultural influence and then then we'll we'll move to to into the dreaming techniques and that stuff as well.
00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:43.080 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I see William on the Facebook live checking in with us beautiful, thank you for being with us today, William i'm sure we'll we'll hear from some other loyal listeners as well.
00:15:43.470 --> 00:16:02.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, we do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm Eastern time right here on talk radio dot nyc and we're streaming live the video all over Facebook and we will be right back after these messages.
00:19:01.740 --> 00:19:13.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity My guess this hour is search QA Healy King author of the book dreaming techniques and a whole bunch of other books.
00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:24.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So Serge you've I mean obviously been exposed to and you've really had an affinity for indigenous cultures, you know almost your whole life.
00:19:26.100 --> 00:19:38.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And you mentioned that that your father was adopted by a hawaiian family so so when you came back from Africa, did you go and settle in Hawaii right away or did you go someplace else first.
00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:59.790 Serge King: No, not right away, I had the thought at the time that I needed to be in a in order to spread what I wanted to teach I had to be in central busy modern place and Oh, we we settled in Los Angeles, and from there, I started traveling around the world and.
00:20:00.810 --> 00:20:04.980 Serge King: We my wife and I visited Hawaii okay.
00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:11.610 Serge King: once a year twice a year, three times a year when we were four times a year we thought we know.
00:20:12.990 --> 00:20:14.310 Serge King: it's time to go there.
00:20:14.490 --> 00:20:20.190 Serge King: and live there and we did that, so we spent 20 years on the island of Hawaii.
00:20:21.210 --> 00:20:24.810 Serge King: And then it's been about 10 years here on the big island.
00:20:25.980 --> 00:20:33.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm beautiful beautiful yeah I love the big quiet and make it too quiet when I was in Hawaii but next time I go back, I definitely well.
00:20:33.750 --> 00:20:39.720 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: um and one of the things I see with your books like your book who know ancient hawaiian tickets from modern living.
00:20:40.320 --> 00:20:48.960 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: it's kind of something that i'm very attuned to which is bringing sort of this ancient knowledge into modern times.
00:20:49.350 --> 00:20:59.190 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: to learn from it, because there really is something for us to learn from this knowledge that's been around for centuries, and even thousands of years that's right.
00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:16.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What do you feel is is something that can be very helpful for people, especially in today's world and with what's going on today that we can learn from the past and from what the elders have have brought down over the generations and their traditions that can serve us today.
00:21:18.150 --> 00:21:19.320 Serge King: there's so much.
00:21:20.310 --> 00:21:22.380 Serge King: And part of it has to do i'd say the.
00:21:22.410 --> 00:21:31.380 Serge King: Most important part that we find with indigenous cultures all around the world, far more than any of our modern cultures is living in the present moment.
00:21:32.130 --> 00:21:43.860 Serge King: um yeah this is This is so true that even in the hawaiian language they have no no word for past oh word for the future.
00:21:45.150 --> 00:21:52.590 Serge King: We tend to think of those as places they think of them, the past is over the future hasn't happened yet.
00:21:53.700 --> 00:21:54.690 Serge King: This is what counts.
00:21:56.190 --> 00:21:59.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Interesting I didn't know that I didn't know that that's fascinating.
00:22:00.390 --> 00:22:12.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I want to ask you about your book or urban shaman because typically people think of a shaman is somebody who lives in a small village and in South America or actually the term comes from.
00:22:15.030 --> 00:22:17.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Serbia Jackie right.
00:22:17.670 --> 00:22:22.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: from Russia um, why did you write urban shaman what is it.
00:22:23.370 --> 00:22:25.170 Serge King: let's look at the shaman part first.
00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:44.670 Serge King: Okay, because that's very misunderstood word, the end of your right, it comes from the tourist people of Siberia, and that was the name that they call this one particular person who did strange things he he was a healer but.
00:22:45.780 --> 00:23:02.340 Serge King: He also had a different connection to nature and different way of dealing with with dreams and and had these fantasy imaginations where he went on journeys to strange places but came back with knowledge and power.
00:23:03.810 --> 00:23:06.120 Serge King: So, not just a side he's not just a.
00:23:07.170 --> 00:23:10.230 Serge King: Medicine person, but something completely different.
00:23:11.520 --> 00:23:18.510 Serge King: Around the world, it turns out that in many, many different places, there are people who do exactly the same thing.
00:23:19.560 --> 00:23:31.830 Serge King: different terms for the person who does that but they're doing the same thing one of the main concepts are this idea of going on journeys this idea that.
00:23:34.530 --> 00:23:39.870 Serge King: You can change experience and that everything is alive.
00:23:40.170 --> 00:23:43.230 Serge King: aware and responsive everything.
00:23:44.460 --> 00:23:46.170 Serge King: And this we're so it's all spirit.
00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:47.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:23:47.340 --> 00:24:01.350 Serge King: So there's this way of dealing with the world because you make, and like I said, there are cultural differences in the people that I would term and shamans around the world, but they share these general ideas and practices.
00:24:02.250 --> 00:24:02.550 Right.
00:24:04.080 --> 00:24:09.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And the same is true with, whether they come from Africa or South America or you know.
00:24:09.690 --> 00:24:20.100 Serge King: Like I said the cultural differences, but the basics are exactly the same not like a medicine man, for instance, simply that.
00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:20.790 Right.
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:22.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:25.440 Serge King: Thank you for playing all kinds of things.
00:24:25.560 --> 00:24:29.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So how do we now take that and bring it into our modern urban culture.
00:24:29.910 --> 00:24:34.050 Serge King: Well, what happened, while I was in Africa is I had this revelation.
00:24:35.280 --> 00:24:45.420 Serge King: Because more and more people were going moving from the villages to the cities right and the shamans were staying at home.
00:24:47.490 --> 00:24:50.880 Serge King: And in the cities cities is where people really needed.
00:24:51.690 --> 00:24:57.540 Serge King: yeah now I thought I was being unique, but since I was in an international development.
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:14.550 Serge King: Body why I quickly learned when I had made this decision, I want to bring this knowledge to the cities, it turns out that almost exactly the same time, there were shamans all over the world, starting to do the same thing.
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:19.110 Serge King: And from all different kinds of cultures.
00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:31.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah me it's quite interesting because i've sort of had had my toe in the water, a lot of different spiritual traditions and teachings for.
00:25:32.040 --> 00:25:44.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: God like you know at least 3035 years something like that and back when I first got on it, there was very, very, very little talk of shamanism there was very little.
00:25:45.240 --> 00:26:03.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Just just even in the spiritual Community there wasn't but somehow over the last 20 years I would say, maybe 10 to 15 years suddenly there's been this big explosion of interest and and curiosity about shamans shamanism.
00:26:03.990 --> 00:26:05.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And that whole.
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.350 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And perspective.
00:26:07.590 --> 00:26:09.990 Serge King: But as typical distortion to.
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:12.150 Serge King: Something becomes.
00:26:12.390 --> 00:26:15.720 Serge King: That more widely known distortion comes in, as well.
00:26:16.050 --> 00:26:31.680 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely absolutely absolutely now, you mentioned that one of the things that a shaman is typically adept at his techniques around dreams yes and.
00:26:32.610 --> 00:26:43.650 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You talk about in your book dreaming techniques about night dreams daydreams and liminal dreams, what are the difference between those three types of dreams.
00:26:45.300 --> 00:27:01.140 Serge King: Well, we have a nice night daydreams during the day, and we get into more detail of that but liminal dreams, we also have that that's a strange when the publisher chose that word it's a pretty good one, it means on the border.
00:27:01.830 --> 00:27:02.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Ah.
00:27:02.760 --> 00:27:19.410 Serge King: It means the things that happen that shouldn't happen, they don't have any kind of scientific basis whatsoever simple example is when people will go to a battlefield a place like gettysburg.
00:27:19.590 --> 00:27:30.810 Serge King: well known by then they will have some people that sometimes will hear the battle going on, and there are others who will actually see it happening.
00:27:32.790 --> 00:27:35.490 Serge King: So this is what we've been called liminal.
00:27:36.570 --> 00:27:37.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Nice.
00:27:37.560 --> 00:27:38.550 Serge King: or something that.
00:27:40.110 --> 00:27:58.590 Serge King: can't be physically there, but is there lots of experiences in Hawaii about the same kind of thing village is appearing in these planes where people see other people walking and acting and then it just fades away again, this is a worldwide phenomena.
00:27:59.310 --> 00:28:10.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: um I say I say and and what sort of inspired you to to focus for your most recent book on this whole area of dreaming.
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:27.660 Serge King: Well, when I when I started working doing the hypnotherapy work and of course dreams were a big part of that, and then I became familiar with the books on dreaming, that it was all over the place, but they were almost always about interpretation.
00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:28.440 yeah.
00:28:29.850 --> 00:28:30.450 Serge King: So.
00:28:31.710 --> 00:28:33.630 Serge King: As I began recording my own.
00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:40.710 Serge King: and studying and analyzing those and comparing them to what other people did why.
00:28:42.060 --> 00:28:44.580 Serge King: It seemed to me that there was an awful lot left out.
00:28:45.210 --> 00:28:53.040 Serge King: hmm, and so I wanted to fill in what I saw as a huge gap in the knowledge about dreams.
00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:21.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And when we dream at night i've heard it said i've heard different people describe it sort of different ways and and one of the the ways that someone wants described it is it's a way for the unconscious mind to process the energy that we've experienced throughout the day yeah I mean.
00:29:21.570 --> 00:29:22.440 Serge King: that's one idea.
00:29:23.670 --> 00:29:27.600 Serge King: Is that neurosurgeons have is that is just noise in the neurons.
00:29:29.370 --> 00:29:31.890 Serge King: I mean just lots of different ideas.
00:29:32.280 --> 00:29:32.970 morale.
00:29:34.050 --> 00:29:35.820 Serge King: I like to focus on.
00:29:37.650 --> 00:29:41.370 Serge King: We have to have an idea to work with something so what's a practical idea.
00:29:41.790 --> 00:29:47.070 Serge King: Right, which means, what can we do about and with three.
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.970 Serge King: Right right that's what I try to focus on is.
00:29:52.080 --> 00:29:52.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful.
00:29:52.710 --> 00:29:55.530 Serge King: with you the view I prefer.
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.560 Serge King: Making up these ideas okay.
00:29:59.490 --> 00:30:03.750 Serge King: The view I prefer is the one about parallel worlds.
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:05.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Ah.
00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:17.580 Serge King: That makes the most sense to me because we have all of the experiences in a dream, sometimes in a strange environment, but all the experiences that we have here.
00:30:18.270 --> 00:30:18.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:32.460 Serge King: We have memory, we haven't mentioned nation we have wonder, we have anger, we have fear we have happiness, we have laughed and all the things that we experience in what we call this real life, we also experience in the green line.
00:30:33.390 --> 00:30:33.840 Right.
00:30:36.750 --> 00:30:42.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Okay let's and and I really want to ask you a bunch of questions around lucid dreaming.
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:53.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So let us take when it's time for our next break so let's take this break and when we come back, I want to really dive in about this whole idea of lucid dreaming because Personally, I find that fascinating and.
00:30:54.570 --> 00:30:57.900 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It is something that i'm looking to explore myself and more.
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:08.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And i've heard it said that that's an a way of maybe using more of our unconscious like getting access to our unconscious mind so maybe maybe not.
00:31:09.030 --> 00:31:20.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: it's an idea so let's take a break and we'll come right back so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity My guess this hour is search.
00:31:20.340 --> 00:31:31.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: to heal the King author of the book dreaming techniques and many other books he's got tumbling look for him on on Amazon there's tons of books out there and we will be right back after these messages.
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:32.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we're speaking with search QA Healy King author of the book dreaming techniques, I have tons of questions around lucid dreaming.
00:34:33.630 --> 00:34:35.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Before we get there, though.
00:34:36.390 --> 00:34:38.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm just curious, what is the hawaiian.
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:41.640 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Who knows view of dreaming.
00:34:43.170 --> 00:34:46.050 Serge King: Well, traditionally hawaiian.
00:34:47.100 --> 00:34:47.640 Serge King: it's.
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:56.040 Serge King: Two things it's well mumble than two but anyway memories of the ancestors okay.
00:34:57.750 --> 00:35:06.870 Serge King: information from the ancestors that that can help with things in life, sometimes we can call it a dream, but it's the awareness of a.
00:35:07.470 --> 00:35:22.950 Serge King: And usually during a dream, where somebody is asking for help and guide you as to what to do to go and help them, even if it's to help retrieve the bones let's say they died and the bones are very, very important profitable hawaiian culture.
00:35:24.090 --> 00:35:33.240 Serge King: So that's part of it, but one of the curious things traditionally is that they believed that it was possible for a dream lover.
00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:39.150 Serge King: White come to a woman and actually produce a live baby.
00:35:41.010 --> 00:35:41.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so.
00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:42.450 Serge King: That was one of the.
00:35:44.130 --> 00:35:48.960 Serge King: Common things in legends and things like that, so they had some.
00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:54.840 Serge King: There was a strong connection between dreams and waking life.
00:35:55.710 --> 00:36:08.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: got it got it, so I want to ask about lucid dreaming, but before we get there, William on the Facebook live asks about he would just like to remember his dreams, because it gets before we can have a lucid dream you got to remember it so.
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Any any any quick tips for like how.
00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:11.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To.
00:36:11.220 --> 00:36:12.720 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: be better at remembering our dreams.
00:36:15.150 --> 00:36:16.710 Serge King: One of the very best.
00:36:18.120 --> 00:36:19.590 Serge King: is to start keeping a journal.
00:36:21.390 --> 00:36:30.390 Serge King: This is by far the best here's, the problem is one of the reasons we don't remember the dreams very well, is that we don't think they're important.
00:36:32.430 --> 00:36:39.540 Serge King: The other one is we, we have the dream, while that was a great dream, and then we get up and be active and it fades out.
00:36:40.080 --> 00:36:44.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right that's what happens to me all the time, I remember my dreams, when I wake up.
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.440 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But I don't write them down so, then I forget them.
00:36:46.650 --> 00:36:53.280 Serge King: Well that's why I began writing mine so sometimes I was like 60 dreams a night.
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:58.920 Serge King: Oh wow and because I kept a journal that what kept me awake a lot but.
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:13.230 Serge King: And so, in remembering journaling is easiest now the simple way to journal is, if you wake up, you have a dream write down some keywords.
00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:23.850 Serge King: that have to do what I did, which was write the whole thing out just write down some keywords and that'll help you remember good parts of it, the next point.
00:37:25.110 --> 00:37:33.360 Serge King: Is people little pad there so that's one way there's something is strangely enough that seemed to help remembering.
00:37:34.560 --> 00:37:36.570 Serge King: All affirmation that you will remember.
00:37:37.680 --> 00:37:38.790 Serge King: is one thing to do.
00:37:42.750 --> 00:37:43.440 Serge King: I can I put it.
00:37:44.670 --> 00:37:56.520 Serge King: When you relaxation when you wake up, or when you wake up, you had a dream you start to move move back in the position you were in when you woke up that often bring the dream back yeah.
00:37:56.580 --> 00:37:57.900 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I heard that that's a good one.
00:37:58.050 --> 00:38:01.050 Serge King: There are some kinds of foods strangely enough.
00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:10.110 Serge King: Ah, and I don't know why but somehow or other cheese seems to have an effect on dream recall.
00:38:10.620 --> 00:38:12.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I don't know interesting.
00:38:12.330 --> 00:38:14.310 Serge King: I haven't a clue as to why how.
00:38:14.670 --> 00:38:15.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: wow.
00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:16.710 Serge King: I found that very common.
00:38:18.900 --> 00:38:25.320 Serge King: Sometimes you can put up some people find it they'll have better recall if they put a crystal under their pillow.
00:38:26.790 --> 00:38:40.050 Serge King: I did an experiment once work take the crystal to my head went to sleep had a dream about getting on a bus and walking back and a woman in the bus said oh look at that guy's got a crystal on his head.
00:38:40.590 --> 00:38:40.950 yeah.
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:44.580 Serge King: So.
00:38:44.970 --> 00:38:45.870 Serge King: Strange affects.
00:38:46.050 --> 00:38:48.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: All right, we don't have a lot of time, so I want him.
00:38:48.060 --> 00:38:49.470 Serge King: Okay what's going on yeah.
00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:50.550 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: lucid dreaming let's.
00:38:50.550 --> 00:38:51.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: define it first.
00:38:51.600 --> 00:38:54.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And then, how do we get there sure.
00:38:54.360 --> 00:39:08.790 Serge King: So, first of all, you have to have a kind of a system of understanding and different ideas about lucid dreaming, so I have divided lucid dreams into four types okay.
00:39:09.990 --> 00:39:14.580 Serge King: And one is lucid when you are dreaming and know who you are.
00:39:16.680 --> 00:39:26.550 Serge King: i've had many dreams, where i've been other people, other things other even animals, but when you know who you are or somebody comes up and telling says your name.
00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:29.160 Serge King: that's a lucid dream.
00:39:30.810 --> 00:39:37.560 Serge King: Okay, another type of lucid dream is when in the dream you consciously make a change.
00:39:38.700 --> 00:39:39.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: mm hmm.
00:39:40.410 --> 00:39:41.190 Serge King: that's lucid.
00:39:41.790 --> 00:39:45.660 Serge King: Right you're not just passively experiencing whatever happens.
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:47.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right okay.
00:39:48.330 --> 00:39:53.580 Serge King: Another one is recognition that it's a dream is a, this is an illusion.
00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:54.960 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Ah.
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.140 Serge King: But you don't necessarily do anything about it you're just aware.
00:39:58.920 --> 00:39:59.340 Real.
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.550 Serge King: it's not real and in this other sense.
00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:03.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right and.
00:40:03.510 --> 00:40:10.080 Serge King: Then what I my final one is that awareness that you're dreaming, and you consciously change something.
00:40:12.600 --> 00:40:26.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah the one time that well the one time that I remember when I realized in my dream that I was dreaming, I was able to affect the dream which, which to me is is what i've always.
00:40:27.810 --> 00:40:41.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: wanted to be able to experience lucid dreaming so that then I can, in a way, direct the dream to meet somebody experienced something learn something to make the dream useful so.
00:40:42.930 --> 00:40:48.510 Serge King: Let me give you let me give you some ways to do that yeah please you know, make it short and simple, because you know, a time.
00:40:48.930 --> 00:41:02.610 Serge King: yeah I do a lot of ways in the book but there's two kinds of practices that are very effective one comes from what is called dream yoga practice by Tibetan.
00:41:03.750 --> 00:41:07.950 Serge King: Buddhists and the terrible name, because they don't do that but anyway.
00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:18.390 Serge King: What they do is they'll sit and they'll go into a what I call a beast state it's your eyes close your half awake half.
00:41:22.890 --> 00:41:25.650 Serge King: And you create a vision.
00:41:27.240 --> 00:41:31.170 Serge King: One of the most famous ones and done this, one of the most famous ones is to have a tree burning.
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:33.840 Serge King: visit staggering and you've got.
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:34.560 Serge King: A tree.
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:35.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: A tree burning.
00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:38.850 Serge King: Yes, God, then you go forward.
00:41:39.090 --> 00:41:41.760 Serge King: and put out the fire with your hands without getting burned.
00:41:42.720 --> 00:41:44.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Ah, OK.
00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:49.890 Serge King: that's that's kind of like a standard technique doors place you try to get to.
00:41:50.640 --> 00:41:56.880 Serge King: Okay, but imagining it's your imagination, which is creating this and you are taking action.
00:41:58.020 --> 00:41:58.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Jackson.
00:41:59.550 --> 00:42:08.940 Serge King: The other way interesting is play video games studies been done that shows that most video gamers are also the most lucid dreamers.
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:10.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Really.
00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:12.300 Serge King: Well, you think about it they're in a.
00:42:12.870 --> 00:42:14.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: virtual world world.
00:42:14.850 --> 00:42:19.530 Serge King: alternate world making decisions and changing things.
00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:23.340 Serge King: yeah a practice that over and over and over again.
00:42:23.850 --> 00:42:29.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: gotcha gotcha I wonder, is there a particular kind of video that's best for that.
00:42:30.270 --> 00:42:35.130 Serge King: are the ones where where you are the character, the main character and you are making changes.
00:42:35.430 --> 00:42:37.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: just got it got it.
00:42:38.490 --> 00:42:42.330 Serge King: So, however, whether you're doing it with a game, are you doing it with your imagination.
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.250 Serge King: nation scenarios.
00:42:45.810 --> 00:42:48.690 Serge King: In which you are doing what you want to do when you're fully agree.
00:42:49.770 --> 00:43:04.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: gotcha so so it's almost like if you sit and meditate and just imagine some fantasy scenario where you're taking action in the scenario it's like you're training yourself to be able to do that when you're asleep.
00:43:04.950 --> 00:43:06.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: that's right gotcha.
00:43:06.690 --> 00:43:10.380 Serge King: So, even the Dalai Lama has said that one of the highest.
00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:20.700 Serge King: Aspects of consciousness is when you can go into that state and be on the edge of full dreaming and stay there.
00:43:22.710 --> 00:43:27.210 Serge King: that's what you have this awareness of being able to do something and aware that it's a dream.
00:43:28.950 --> 00:43:46.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I say I say interesting um we just got about a minute before break, and this may be a question that takes a much longer answer, but we can start, and then you know, maybe we'll come back what is the benefit of lucid dreaming.
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:52.680 Serge King: A better solution dreaming is self confidence oh.
00:43:54.240 --> 00:43:54.780 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Ah.
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:55.800 Serge King: that's a great benefit.
00:43:56.670 --> 00:44:01.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I see I see why does lucid dreaming lead to self confidence.
00:44:02.850 --> 00:44:04.800 Serge King: Because you are changing thing.
00:44:05.820 --> 00:44:06.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Ah.
00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:11.550 Serge King: You are taking action you're not being passive in a in a victim of the universe.
00:44:12.150 --> 00:44:20.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I see I see so it's it's an empowerment exercise away absolutely wow interesting interesting.
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:32.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Okay, great great um alright, I do want to ask you a couple more questions around lucid dreaming let's take our last break of the show and then we'll come back and then at the end we'll let people know like how to get in touch with you and.
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:43.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And where to find the books and everything so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, we do this every Thursday 12 noon.
00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:53.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To 1pm Eastern right here on talk radio dot nyc we've been speaking with surge Healy King author of the book dreaming techniques and we will be right back after this.
00:47:11.910 --> 00:47:24.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we're talking this hour with search clearly King author of the book dreaming techniques and we're talking all about lucid dreaming.
00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:30.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Does lucid dreaming get easier, as you remember your dreams more.
00:47:32.610 --> 00:47:33.960 Serge King: You still need to practice it.
00:47:35.460 --> 00:47:39.360 Serge King: Because dreams are so wide and varied.
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:51.660 Serge King: um and but one of the things it does is help you well, that gets into nightmares it's not exactly, but you can you can when you were practicing lucid dreaming enough.
00:47:52.770 --> 00:47:53.790 Serge King: change a nightmare.
00:47:54.870 --> 00:47:57.000 Serge King: into something where you are empowered again.
00:47:58.380 --> 00:48:02.400 Serge King: or other ways to change the effects, but in the lucid dreaming that's what you can do.
00:48:03.570 --> 00:48:06.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Is there a spiritual significance to lucid dreaming.
00:48:06.990 --> 00:48:08.460 Serge King: I don't know what you mean by that.
00:48:09.060 --> 00:48:11.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm good good good good response.
00:48:14.100 --> 00:48:21.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Can we use lucid dreaming to develop ourselves on a fundamental energetic level.
00:48:23.640 --> 00:48:26.850 Serge King: Well, again we mentioned about how it helps us to be more confident.
00:48:27.180 --> 00:48:30.750 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yes, but is there something deeper than confidence that we get from it.
00:48:31.080 --> 00:48:37.890 Serge King: Well, you see, when you are able to begin changing things, it also means you can change yourself.
00:48:39.930 --> 00:48:50.250 Serge King: Okay, and it also means you can migrate that talent from the lucid dream into waking reality.
00:48:51.990 --> 00:49:03.780 Serge King: And you discover ways of being able to influence not control at all the world is too big, but influence events in the waking life.
00:49:05.730 --> 00:49:06.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I say.
00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:12.840 Serge King: As well when I say events, I mean even your own health wealth well being and consciousness.
00:49:15.540 --> 00:49:30.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: um i'm curious I know a lot of people have talked about, and a lot of teachers spiritual teachers have talked about how the reality is really a dream itself sure.
00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:33.780 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: How do you feel about that oh.
00:49:33.870 --> 00:49:35.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely, really.
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.520 Serge King: Think about this for a moment okay.
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:47.250 Serge King: If you really try and make this as short as possible, but you can go deeper in the book, if you look at how all of our senses work.
00:49:48.660 --> 00:50:11.070 Serge King: which is what we use to experience this reality we're in every one of the senses, is totally dependent on external energy being transformed into electromagnetic pulses that are carried by neurons are some part of the brain and interpret it.
00:50:11.640 --> 00:50:12.000 Right.
00:50:13.350 --> 00:50:16.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right it's not a direct experience it's an interpretation.
00:50:16.710 --> 00:50:20.040 Serge King: it's not a direct experience neither is a dream.
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:29.700 Serge King: Even on a physiological way of looking at this we're not experiencing what we think we're experiencing.
00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:34.350 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I see I see.
00:50:37.860 --> 00:50:39.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And you talked about i'm.
00:50:40.860 --> 00:50:50.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: sort of out as we become adept at lucid dreaming like we were better able to sort of affect the world around us or or influenced let's just say.
00:50:51.150 --> 00:50:52.680 Serge King: made for getting parking places.
00:50:53.220 --> 00:50:53.520 I.
00:50:57.150 --> 00:51:11.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Was gonna say it's like if if we're able to lucid dream right we've developed that technique, you know can can I, you know Would I be able to like lucid dream and effect, something that I want to change in my life like.
00:51:12.810 --> 00:51:13.290 Serge King: three.
00:51:13.980 --> 00:51:21.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah like like I dream I have this lucid dream and maybe in the loose in the dream and it starts off and i'm.
00:51:21.540 --> 00:51:29.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Maybe there's some anxiety around money let's say right because maybe things are a little tight, so I have this anxiety dream around money, but then they changed the dream.
00:51:29.790 --> 00:51:48.810 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Where I no longer have anxiety around money but money is flowing to me and people were paying me and I get more customers clients whatever you're more work can that then sort of spill over into waking reality, where now we start to become more successful.
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:53.730 Serge King: Not unless you continue the process when you're away.
00:51:56.820 --> 00:52:04.440 Serge King: So that, for instance here you are awake you've had this lucid dream lucid dream is not required, but it's helpful for this.
00:52:04.950 --> 00:52:19.110 Serge King: And then you start imagining piles of money and all the corners of your helps start imagining vividly the clients coming the awareness growing, you have to carry that and practice, it.
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:22.950 Serge King: Practice lucid dreaming, while you're awake, in other words.
00:52:23.010 --> 00:52:31.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I say I see, so you want to continue that visualization and use that art of visualization in conjunction with the dreaming.
00:52:31.470 --> 00:52:36.120 Serge King: Sure it's visualization plus intention, plus emotional energy.
00:52:38.640 --> 00:52:40.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I say I say.
00:52:41.190 --> 00:52:55.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What do you hope readers of your book will will get out of the book like like what's your What was your intention behind the book where you're exploring all these different dreaming techniques you're exploring daydreaming night dreaming limit on all these different aspects.
00:52:55.560 --> 00:52:57.660 Serge King: Well, the book is full of techniques, she.
00:52:58.680 --> 00:53:05.160 Serge King: wishes going to give them all kinds of different ways of improving expanding and changing their life.
00:53:09.750 --> 00:53:25.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Given the challenges that we have around us in today's world and, in some ways we're more connected in some ways we're more disconnected, how can dreaming help us in relation to other people in our lives.
00:53:28.200 --> 00:53:36.510 Serge King: A dream isn't is an important thing Okay, one of the most basic important things in the entire book once you've had a dream it's a memory.
00:53:37.350 --> 00:53:37.770 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: mm hmm.
00:53:38.670 --> 00:53:39.870 Serge King: You can change the memory.
00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:48.510 Serge King: When you change the memory you change the effect of whatever that original experience was.
00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:54.720 Serge King: So you have memories of how you interacted with people they'll just memories.
00:53:55.020 --> 00:53:55.830 Nothing so.
00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:57.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: By.
00:53:57.750 --> 00:53:58.650 Serge King: change them in.
00:54:00.240 --> 00:54:02.970 Serge King: Some way that you can believe is good.
00:54:04.230 --> 00:54:07.680 Serge King: And you'll start you start being able to change the relationship.
00:54:08.550 --> 00:54:09.930 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: mm hmm.
00:54:11.340 --> 00:54:14.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: it's interesting kind of brings to mind how.
00:54:15.150 --> 00:54:26.940 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Just about everyone I know who's lost a loved one a parent a sibling a partner that not always right away, but eventually that person shows up in their dream.
00:54:27.630 --> 00:54:30.120 Serge King: Culture, I see my father once in a while.
00:54:30.570 --> 00:54:31.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh, do you know.
00:54:33.510 --> 00:54:45.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It is that a way of helping us to either continue the relationship or to maybe resolve some unresolved energy around that relationship.
00:54:45.720 --> 00:54:52.170 Serge King: Sometimes, it can be a thing that stops on the resolving if that's what you want to do.
00:54:53.220 --> 00:55:02.700 Serge King: And so you take that is as an opportunity then to recall memories of your relationship change those memories into good one.
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.200 Serge King: that's very, very powerfully healing.
00:55:07.770 --> 00:55:09.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah yeah yeah.
00:55:12.090 --> 00:55:33.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: we're getting close to the end and i'm just curious you you've been involved in this work you've studied indigenous cultures instant healing all these things, for many, many years i'm curious do you have have you experienced anything that you would consider a miracle.
00:55:33.240 --> 00:55:35.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Or, something that was just so.
00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:38.190 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: amazing like you had no way to explain it.
00:55:39.030 --> 00:55:40.530 Serge King: Oh sure lots of times.
00:55:41.130 --> 00:55:43.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Can you give us just one example.
00:55:45.120 --> 00:55:56.520 Serge King: One example was an experience when I was in Africa, and we had to cross a bridge on my Land Rover and there was a truck already on the bridge, and it was a narrow bridge.
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:09.630 Serge King: And the driver went for it anyway Bam blackout we're, on the other side of the bridge we heading for a tree we hit the tree, but it was soft.
00:56:10.470 --> 00:56:17.490 Serge King: hmm got out looked at the bridge there was one foot in a bump on the truck where we passed it.
00:56:18.690 --> 00:56:19.500 Serge King: One foot wide.
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:28.050 Serge King: wow and then the tree we moved into I went out looked at it, this heavy steel bumper was shaped like.
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:34.890 Serge King: Like coming around like this knows the tree bit there's like this.
00:56:36.990 --> 00:56:37.890 Serge King: Is one.
00:56:38.040 --> 00:56:39.000 And only wow.
00:56:40.620 --> 00:56:43.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: wow so it was, like you, literally went through a truck.
00:56:43.980 --> 00:56:44.700 And they today.
00:56:45.960 --> 00:57:00.750 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: wow amazing amazing well Thank you so much, I appreciate it, I just I just love I just love stories like that anyway um if people want to learn more about you or or you know contact you what's what's the best way for them to do that.
00:57:01.200 --> 00:57:15.270 Serge King: Okay, we have a website www.one.org and we have lots of things that people can do they can ask for healing we have a group that does that no charge, and we also have.
00:57:16.230 --> 00:57:27.720 Serge King: Over 300 articles that are available at no charge by myself and by a lot of other people at all, all kinds of excellent things to learn about we have.
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:45.900 Serge King: A Facebook I my Facebook page, where I post different kinds of things and we have also posted on the Facebook page I have almost 200 videos and video clips of lectures and talks that i've done that are also available at no charge.
00:57:46.290 --> 00:57:48.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh wonderful very, very generous.
00:57:49.200 --> 00:57:58.140 Serge King: And then there's the books on the wholeness store, which is one of the.net but or Amazon, if you want to scroll through the list.
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:01.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right, how many books have you written, there was a huge number I.
00:58:01.620 --> 00:58:05.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Believe it's about 1919 wow wow.
00:58:06.030 --> 00:58:10.410 Serge King: Just wrote to this by started this year.
00:58:10.830 --> 00:58:21.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh amazing amazing wonderful well surge was a pleasure to have you on my show Thank you so much for getting up so early in the morning, you know why I come on the show today you.
00:58:21.630 --> 00:58:24.030 Serge King: See how late it is now it's because the sun's up.
00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:25.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah yes, I.
00:58:26.490 --> 00:58:28.080 Serge King: can meet you, thank you very much.
00:58:28.530 --> 00:58:41.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: you're quite welcome you're quite welcome listen yeah I wish you all the best with what you're doing when I make it back to Hawaii not if because i'm definitely coming back, I definitely would love to see you in person and get together.
00:58:41.730 --> 00:58:42.360 Serge King: That would be good.
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