It’s not too late for Planet Earth if we tap into higher consciousness and return to the future, again!
This week Sam welcomes two spectacular guests, Viralenologist Penelope Jean Hayes and Channeler & Medium, Carole Serene Borgens. We will be discussing their new book, Do Unto Earth: It’s Not Too Late, which is a Powerful Call to Action for Environmental Repair.
As the foremost leader in the field of contagious and osmotic energy, known as Viralenology (viral-en-olo-gy), Penelope Jean Hayes is the founder of the Viral Energy Institute for personal, interpersonal, and planetary well-being. She has appeared on television hundreds of times including as an expert guest for Dr. Phil, ABC News, plus internationally, and is the author of the bestselling book The Magic of Viral Energy, as well as two volumes of the title The Likely Future, and the much-talked about book Do Unto Earth. Penelope taps into spiritual wisdom through a process that she calls "osmotic-energy-balancing," which is a type of cognizant meditation that allows her to access and channel her stream of Higher-Self consciousness. Additionally, she hosts "Penelope: A Podcast Show," and co-hosts the hot new show called "Spiritual Yada."
Carole Serene Borgens has the gift, as Channeler & Medium, of communicating directly with the Spirit Messenger, Pax, channeling Pax Wisdom for books and the world while also growing her own inner peace and balance in a world of uncertainty. Through automatic writing, Carole Serene and Pax have brought wisdom and guidance to people around the world since the early 1990s. Their current writings form the books The Likely Future: Short and Long Term Guidance From the Source, a COVID-19 exposé, as well as Do Unto Earth: It’s Not Too Late, guidance for repairing our damage to Planet Earth, and much more. Carole’s diverse background includes nursing, breeding and showing purebred dogs, racing British sports cars, restoration of old wooden boats and so much more. As Carole says, the gift of Pax is the greatest blessing in her life.
Sam starts the show with an excerpt from his book, “Everyday Awaking,” called “Working Hard Is Not The Answer Unless We Are Working Hard On Ourselves.” Life will support us once we rid ourselves of the belief that we must suffer in order to reach our goals. Productivity is great but this can often come at the expense of our wellbeing. Today’s guests are Penelope Jean Hayes and Carole Serene Borgens. Penelope is a Viralenologist, author of the bestselling book “The Magic of Viral Energy.” Carole Serene Borgens is a channeler and a medium as well as the author of “The Likely Future: Short and Long Term Guidance From the Source,” a COVID-19 exposé. Together they wrote “Do Unto Earth: It’s Not Too Late,” and Penelope contributed to two volumes of “The Likely Future.” These two met a year and a half ago when Penelope came to Carole for her spirit channeling services.
Carole shares her experience with Pax. The first time she communicated with Pax, she was channeling other spirits when Pax came through. At that time she had no way of producing a book but she agreed to share Pax’s message. Her conversations with Pax have lately been about voice channeling but normally she channels them through her writing. Carole recognized that the feedback she has provided to others from Pax was life changing and decided to pursue this full time. Penelope shares her pivotal moment with viral energy. After arriving in Nashville from Canada, Penelope meditated everyday. While meditating she experienced a shift in energy, she realized that she had meditated for so long that forest had accepted her and her energy had become congruent with the energy around her.
In their book, “The Likely Future,” they talk about the way the pandemic began, how the way it has spread, and mutated. Sam noted that this is the first of many global challenges that we will have. They believe that the change can be made rapidly but what prevents this progress is often selfishness, we get caught up in what we do everyday but don’t ask ourselves whether our methods are working. Penelope admires how businesses have made the necessary changes to adjust and some of these new strategies may become the norm.
In their book they talk about the daily things people can do in their home life to minimize harm to the environment. Through Carole, Pax shares the message that every individual has the power to make an impact. Pax has told us that we have 8-12 years before a fail safe point is reached. Businesses understand the importance and preference of caring about the environment. Penelope says that this is because we the consumer dictate what is popular and they are trying to gain our favor. More and more companies are prioritizing sustainability and new industries are being created to meet this demand. Do Unto Earth can be found at Amazon. If you would like to reach out to them, visit paxwisdom.com.
00:00:24.570 --> 00:00:38.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co creators, welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.
00:00:39.570 --> 00:00:55.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I have a couple of wonderful guests in store for you, we actually were both three guests on another person show one time, so we actually got to meet briefly before um, but I think you're really going to love these ladies alright so.
00:00:56.910 --> 00:01:05.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Let me start off of course i'm not doing my quotes of the day, from the universe, and from Abraham anymore i'm now doing a section from my book, everyday awakening.
00:01:06.090 --> 00:01:10.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: This is the the fifth week i've been doing this, so I just want to remind people.
00:01:10.830 --> 00:01:29.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And we'll see so far i've been getting a good reaction to it so i'm going to keep doing this, since people seem to like it, so this week let's start off with this section and it's called working hard is not the answer, unless we are working hard on ourselves, this is a good one.
00:01:30.300 --> 00:01:39.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: being ready to receive takes more effort than we often realize, because there are so many things in our lives that teach us not to receive.
00:01:40.170 --> 00:01:50.700 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: From the time we are born, we are taught to just think of giving On top of that, we experience all kinds of things that make us feel unworthy.
00:01:51.300 --> 00:02:01.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: These programs can be subtle and deep rooted, they can come from family, friends, school religion and society at large.
00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:12.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: For instance, we are indoctrinated to believe that we have to work hard for everything to come to us that sometimes even then it does not come.
00:02:12.990 --> 00:02:27.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That we have to sacrifice and suffer to get somewhere in our lives, sometimes without a single reward these programs are powerful and pervasive they are also completely untrue.
00:02:28.410 --> 00:02:39.930 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: life will always support us when we allow the treasures of life to come in, they do yet allowing them to come, is the hardest part for most of us.
00:02:40.380 --> 00:02:49.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It often comes only after doing the deep work of untangling those ancient programs that control our thinking our energy and our choices.
00:02:50.250 --> 00:03:00.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: These programs are so unconscious that we are not even aware of the decision we made that pushes the very things we want away.
00:03:00.990 --> 00:03:15.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The effort is not about working so hard to achieve some goal the effort is about working hard to unravel the beliefs that to achieve the goal must take hard work.
00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:34.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: This does not mean we don't take action, we must yet if we take action after having changed our beliefs, it becomes so much more effective self exploration may be difficult, yet it is always rewarding.
00:03:35.490 --> 00:03:50.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Have you taken the time to explore your own beliefs your underlying programs, how you operate in the world, see what change can occur in your life when we bring a greater awareness to them.
00:03:51.540 --> 00:04:03.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and actually This is even more than just about awareness and and perspective, this is really about embodiment it's about showing up a different way in the world.
00:04:04.650 --> 00:04:12.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because it it's it's a belief it's program it's our choices it's our energy it's everything.
00:04:14.700 --> 00:04:18.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And this is why I really.
00:04:19.620 --> 00:04:32.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: had sat with this for a while, before I wrote this one, because I felt so much of society is about pushing us to work hard and be more productive and Doo Doo Doo Doo.
00:04:33.090 --> 00:04:51.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yet, when I look around and they see most people who fall into that trap they end up burnt out with all kinds of problems physical, mental emotional relationship challenges and typically not very rewarding.
00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:58.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: For some people yeah for those people who have the right personality, the right.
00:05:02.010 --> 00:05:08.760 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Arc type within them, it works really well and they may accomplish a lot and they create a lot of success from it.
00:05:09.660 --> 00:05:29.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But if you look around will notice that's a very, very, very small percentage of the overall population and, while being more productive is great for society it's great for companies, we work for it's great you know, for making money it's not always so great.
00:05:30.690 --> 00:05:45.750 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: For our health for our well being for being able to thrive, for being able to explore our creative sides for being able to have the space in our life to develop ourselves internally spiritually.
00:05:47.460 --> 00:05:49.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So working hard.
00:05:51.450 --> 00:06:06.510 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I say it's not the answer unless we're working hard on ourselves, because actually what and it's sometimes doesn't even look like work, but when we're working on ourselves when we're uncovering those.
00:06:08.070 --> 00:06:17.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: patterns those conceptions those thoughts that are so pervasive that we don't even notice them because they're so close to our face.
00:06:18.840 --> 00:06:25.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When we unravel those then we show up differently, then we live life from a different place.
00:06:28.050 --> 00:06:34.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And while it may not always be easy it definitely does not have to be as hard Absolutely not.
00:06:35.760 --> 00:06:46.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So um I like this, this section i'm going to ask that you know you kind of keep it in mind during the weekend, you know I talked about these every Thursday on my show.
00:06:47.130 --> 00:07:07.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I hope that you know you don't just listen to them, but, but you take it in and use it as an opportunity to just observe or watch yourself a little bit during the week and see how does this apply to you how can you integrate this into your own life, and can it make a difference.
00:07:08.280 --> 00:07:18.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I beautiful so i'd like now very much to introduce my beautiful guests Oh, I see on the Facebook live.
00:07:18.690 --> 00:07:24.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: loyal listeners patty and Cynthia to checking in Thank you, I hope you all enjoy the show today.
00:07:24.450 --> 00:07:29.190 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Remember type in your questions on the Facebook live during the show and your comments and we'll get to that alright.
00:07:29.670 --> 00:07:43.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So it is my pleasure to welcome to the show violent until Allah Allah just and viral and knowledge, excuse me Penelope Jean Hayes and Chandler and medium Carol serene bargains.
00:07:43.890 --> 00:07:51.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And they're here today to discuss their book do into earth it's not too late, which is a powerful call to action for environmental repair.
00:07:52.080 --> 00:07:59.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: As a former leader in the field of contagious and asthmatic energy known as viral analogy.
00:07:59.850 --> 00:08:06.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Penelope gene Hayes is the founder of the viral energy Institute for personal interpersonal and planetary well being.
00:08:06.870 --> 00:08:22.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: she's appeared on television hundreds of times, including as a guest expert on Dr phil ABC news and as well as international and is the author of the best selling book the magic of viral energy, as well as two volumes of the.
00:08:23.100 --> 00:08:34.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: titled the likely future and the much talked about new book do on earth, as well as Carol serene bargains hope I got your last name right Carol.
00:08:34.530 --> 00:08:36.240 Carole Serene Borgens: Yes, you did oh good.
00:08:36.930 --> 00:08:43.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Who has the gift as a Chandler and medium of communicating directly with spirit.
00:08:44.250 --> 00:08:52.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: With a spirit messenger packs channeling packs wisdom for books and the world, while also growing her own internal peace and balance.
00:08:52.590 --> 00:09:03.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: In a world of uncertainty, we and we experienced a lot of that now through automatic writing and Carol and packs have brought wisdom and guidance to people around the world since the early 90s.
00:09:04.410 --> 00:09:10.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Their current writings from the books, the likely future short and long term guidance from source.
00:09:11.130 --> 00:09:25.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: code 19 Expo say I want to ask about that as well as doing to earth it's not too late guidance for repairing the damage to Planet Earth and much more welcome to the conscious consultant our ladies, thank you for joining me today.
00:09:25.800 --> 00:09:26.730 Carole Serene Borgens: Thank you.
00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:46.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So um I always like to start off a few give me a little bit of background i'll start with you Carol have you always had the gift, I mean when you were little girl to do see invisible people walking around or was this something that you found evolved later in life, you.
00:09:48.690 --> 00:09:56.760 Carole Serene Borgens: know I i've never been clairvoyant I haven't seen a spirit walking around but i've always.
00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:04.920 Carole Serene Borgens: As a little girl was reenacting what I had been doing in past lifetimes.
00:10:05.280 --> 00:10:07.170 Carole Serene Borgens: Although I wasn't aware.
00:10:07.350 --> 00:10:16.110 Carole Serene Borgens: of it, I was just doing things from when I lived in Scotland or when I was a first nations person.
00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:30.450 Carole Serene Borgens: that's how I I didn't have playmates because have no siblings and where I live, so that was my entertainment, but there was also a young, always in knowingness.
00:10:31.980 --> 00:10:44.550 Carole Serene Borgens: Of what was about to happen always that ability to sense energy with people, which has only grown over the years.
00:10:45.780 --> 00:10:54.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And when did you like fully embrace it like when Did it really dropping in a way that like you knew it was something very tangible.
00:10:56.130 --> 00:11:03.390 Carole Serene Borgens: That would have been when I began to seriously study everything metaphysical.
00:11:04.260 --> 00:11:12.870 Carole Serene Borgens: And that would have been in the 70s, like way back, I was, I was a student of Edgar Casey.
00:11:13.380 --> 00:11:29.850 Carole Serene Borgens: And everything he had written and spend a lot of time then later on it's a training in and exploring with with people past life regression is still a.
00:11:31.110 --> 00:11:45.780 Carole Serene Borgens: Over arching fascination of mine, I do believe we've had we've had our past lifetimes and that they severely effect effect, I should say our current lifetimes.
00:11:46.590 --> 00:11:56.190 Carole Serene Borgens: And that we can benefit from knowing who we were and and when and such trauma that we may have experienced in a past lifetime, that is.
00:11:57.300 --> 00:12:07.800 Carole Serene Borgens: Challenging or limiting us today, it can be moved it can be released and that's a lot of the work I do with packs.
00:12:08.340 --> 00:12:13.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: gotcha gotcha gotcha and how about you Penelope when did you get sucked into this.
00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:15.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: crazy world.
00:12:17.640 --> 00:12:23.670 Penelope Jean Hayes: Which aspect of it, so I work as a viral and religious which is derived from the words viral energy.
00:12:23.970 --> 00:12:29.970 Penelope Jean Hayes: And that is the contagious nature of energy in social interactions and those environments all around us.
00:12:30.300 --> 00:12:37.770 Penelope Jean Hayes: So I had been working on that and developing the viral energy institute started doing in person group classes.
00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:47.010 Penelope Jean Hayes: In 2010 through the Institute, but had been writing and wrote the book the magic of viral energy and actually Carol and I met.
00:12:47.760 --> 00:12:54.930 Penelope Jean Hayes: It was about a year and a half ago now, at this point and I had gone to Carol for some spirit channeling sessions.
00:12:55.290 --> 00:13:09.540 Penelope Jean Hayes: And from there, we had obviously been acquainted and one day I received communication from Carol saying that packs had wanted to offer support and wisdom to the viral energy Institute and to make a long story short, Sam we.
00:13:10.110 --> 00:13:17.910 Penelope Jean Hayes: started that process and in a very short period into that process realize well wait a minute this you know, this is a book.
00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:28.680 Penelope Jean Hayes: And so it adopted the title of a book I had been working on, I had an outline for a book on environmental healing through this concept of viral energy and through like this spiritual.
00:13:29.070 --> 00:13:35.490 Penelope Jean Hayes: means with metaphysical and spiritual modalities and quantum physics, and this was the outline of do on to earth.
00:13:35.910 --> 00:13:41.580 Penelope Jean Hayes: And we realized well wait a minute this, you know that that Carol was channeling the wisdom from packs.
00:13:41.970 --> 00:13:54.420 Penelope Jean Hayes: With my questions was that book, so we we asked packs we checked in with packs is this in fact intended to adopt that title, do you want to earth and be a book and of course it was and now i'm just going to hold it up, Sam because we're so proud.
00:13:54.420 --> 00:13:56.970 Penelope Jean Hayes: of me a little sticky notes in here but.
00:13:57.150 --> 00:13:58.590 Penelope Jean Hayes: yeah we're just.
00:13:58.650 --> 00:13:59.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful yes.
00:13:59.760 --> 00:14:03.210 Penelope Jean Hayes: You know all of that came through and I don't know, two months time.
00:14:03.660 --> 00:14:08.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful beautiful, so I didn't realize you only known each other, a couple of less than a couple of years, then.
00:14:09.750 --> 00:14:10.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: wow.
00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:10.680 wow.
00:14:11.850 --> 00:14:13.950 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Pack time yeah.
00:14:14.790 --> 00:14:19.740 Penelope Jean Hayes: See, because you know there's actually 11 books now in the packs wisdom books.
00:14:19.950 --> 00:14:29.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh wow okay all right so so let's hold it there for a moment, so we need to take a quick break and when we come back let's talk about.
00:14:30.270 --> 00:14:44.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Just a little bit of sort of the the working with packs what kind of messages tend to come through and then we'll get a little bit more into the book and and the message for people okay.
00:14:46.350 --> 00:14:57.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, we do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm Eastern time right here on talk radio dot nyc.
00:14:57.510 --> 00:15:07.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And all over Facebook live, and of course we're on all the podcasting apple Apps afterwards, for the recordings and we will be right back after this.
00:18:07.020 --> 00:18:17.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity today we're speaking with Carol serene bargains and now up gene Hayes co authors of the book.
00:18:18.300 --> 00:18:35.910 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Do on earth um so Carol I just want to ask you a little bit about packs and and this entity that you receive messages from How long have you been working with packs and do you remember what it was like when you first sort of connected with it.
00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:41.280 Carole Serene Borgens: Oh yes, I do, despite it was 25 years ago.
00:18:41.730 --> 00:18:42.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh wow.
00:18:43.350 --> 00:18:49.260 Carole Serene Borgens: And by the way, I don't channel any other spirit entities, since that day.
00:18:51.750 --> 00:19:03.420 Carole Serene Borgens: I was sitting at my desk writing automatic writing I was channeling other spirits at the time when packs came through introduced himself.
00:19:05.130 --> 00:19:13.800 Carole Serene Borgens: and very quickly, it became apparent, he was asking me to consider becoming his channel.
00:19:15.360 --> 00:19:24.060 Carole Serene Borgens: For the purpose of putting his wisdom and guidance into book form and getting it out to the world.
00:19:26.070 --> 00:19:33.750 Carole Serene Borgens: My shock and amazement was great because I was quite new at automatic writing.
00:19:34.020 --> 00:19:35.100 Carole Serene Borgens: And channeling.
00:19:35.490 --> 00:19:46.980 Carole Serene Borgens: And I asked him why me he said because you're new at this, you have no bad habits and you will change none of my words now by the bad habits, he met.
00:19:47.100 --> 00:19:47.910 Carole Serene Borgens: In channeling.
00:19:49.830 --> 00:19:51.360 Carole Serene Borgens: And so I.
00:19:52.410 --> 00:19:56.700 Carole Serene Borgens: I asked for time to consider that it was a huge request.
00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:04.980 Carole Serene Borgens: At that time I had no way of producing a book, but I was undaunted.
00:20:06.120 --> 00:20:17.910 Carole Serene Borgens: I thought it through and I took a week or two and and I agreed, and so I have been channeling packs ever since it's.
00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:24.060 Carole Serene Borgens: I will use the term he when I refer to Pax.
00:20:24.150 --> 00:20:26.220 Carole Serene Borgens: Okay next is not a he.
00:20:26.580 --> 00:20:28.530 Carole Serene Borgens: passes the universal.
00:20:28.830 --> 00:20:34.410 Carole Serene Borgens: wisdom source the the greater wisdom, the.
00:20:35.550 --> 00:20:41.550 Carole Serene Borgens: All seeing all knowing it is just become my habit to refer to pep says he.
00:20:42.270 --> 00:20:43.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right right.
00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:44.700 Carole Serene Borgens: And since that time.
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:56.310 Carole Serene Borgens: As I say, of channels, no other spirit I channel packs essentially daily I have done so for personal readings for people.
00:20:57.570 --> 00:21:08.910 Carole Serene Borgens: For other publications we've done together, and it is just my greatest blessing in life, to be able to to have this wisdom source.
00:21:10.020 --> 00:21:21.360 Carole Serene Borgens: With me and for me to be able to bring this guidance through it was it was meeting with Penelope that.
00:21:22.590 --> 00:21:34.920 Carole Serene Borgens: triggered the ability to be able to publish in in book form, and that is where we are today and it became the next chapter of my life.
00:21:36.060 --> 00:21:44.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I see I see um it's so, is it always only through automatic writing or or does it come other ways as well.
00:21:45.480 --> 00:22:01.170 Carole Serene Borgens: It has been only through automatic writing and when i'm doing so I occasionally will hear some of the words that i'm writing as a thought in my head i've never heard a voice there's no voice.
00:22:01.530 --> 00:22:03.390 Carole Serene Borgens: I would hear the odd word.
00:22:03.690 --> 00:22:04.770 Carole Serene Borgens: As the thought.
00:22:06.570 --> 00:22:15.000 Carole Serene Borgens: my conversations with packs have revolved around the need recently to be able to voice channel.
00:22:16.260 --> 00:22:27.960 Carole Serene Borgens: And this is now beginning, this is now becoming reality, but I don't hear a voice and it has always been the writing now.
00:22:29.550 --> 00:22:35.130 Carole Serene Borgens: it's all it's funny working with packs i'll think about something that maybe would be effective.
00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:57.840 Carole Serene Borgens: For for bringing our work better to more people and, I may have doubts about it but packs will say, well, of course, you can and that led to my going right to the keyboard, and so I channeled directly into the computer the writing is style is very large very flowing and it's not quick.
00:22:59.070 --> 00:23:15.840 Carole Serene Borgens: I always did that one on one when I had a person, a client with me now I do I do all of our work remotely doing readings for people around the world, and I do it directly onto the keyboard which shortcuts the process.
00:23:15.840 --> 00:23:16.500 Significant.
00:23:17.970 --> 00:23:20.910 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I say I say I say i'm.
00:23:22.710 --> 00:23:30.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: On actually just before I go to ask Penelope something I just want to ask you, when what was it that made you sort of.
00:23:31.230 --> 00:23:46.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: shift and like make this your your focus like this is, I mean i'm assuming maybe i'm wrong, but like this is all you do and have been doing for quite a while like when did that point calm when it was like like this is what i'm dedicating my life to.
00:23:48.330 --> 00:23:56.070 Carole Serene Borgens: I became aware of the good that is done when people get.
00:23:57.840 --> 00:24:03.480 Carole Serene Borgens: guidance and wisdom, for their personal lives from packs.
00:24:04.230 --> 00:24:06.750 Carole Serene Borgens: spirit wisdom is phenomenally.
00:24:06.750 --> 00:24:24.930 Carole Serene Borgens: powerful and it was a number of years ago, when I recognize the fact that I couldn't do anything better with my life, then, be a channel that allowed this wisdom and guidance to be shared with people because.
00:24:26.580 --> 00:24:40.140 Carole Serene Borgens: The the feedback from those who had experienced sessions with packs was such that it was not simple pleasure, it was this changed my life.
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:49.890 Carole Serene Borgens: And this made me aware and this allowed me to see that I need to work more on myself.
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:52.650 Carole Serene Borgens: Like you stated with your book.
00:24:52.890 --> 00:24:53.340 Carole Serene Borgens: We need.
00:24:53.760 --> 00:24:56.910 Carole Serene Borgens: We need to look within for our strength, and that is.
00:24:56.910 --> 00:24:57.120 A.
00:24:58.290 --> 00:25:12.780 Carole Serene Borgens: Major message from packs that our strength, our abilities are within us if we will go there and recognize that, so it was that, at that point, a few years ago I recognized this is that.
00:25:13.170 --> 00:25:16.020 Carole Serene Borgens: i'm able to do this now, and I will.
00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:28.380 Carole Serene Borgens: And it's a turning point, I think I think when we accept what we've been given as a gift in our life it changes our life.
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:29.790 Carole Serene Borgens: And this was the gift for.
00:25:29.790 --> 00:25:31.770 Carole Serene Borgens: me to be able to give back.
00:25:32.520 --> 00:25:52.080 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Nice nice very good, very good um Penelope what first got you interested in just the study around energy and looking at sort of the energetic side of life that that made you aware of like you know there's more than just this physical three dimensional body that we deal with.
00:25:53.190 --> 00:26:00.150 Penelope Jean Hayes: I had struggles in my early life, like a lot of people do through my teenage years through all of my 20s.
00:26:00.510 --> 00:26:13.560 Penelope Jean Hayes: And I had begun studying metaphysics spirituality reading as many books as I could, in terms of personal development, you know what would be the trick that would change things around you know what would be.
00:26:14.520 --> 00:26:21.240 Penelope Jean Hayes: That thing that finally made the difference and I did learn a lot through that process and became acquainted with a lot of.
00:26:21.750 --> 00:26:31.800 Penelope Jean Hayes: Great authors and wonderful wisdom out there, but it wasn't until I experienced for myself with viral energy is that was something that I had not found.
00:26:32.190 --> 00:26:40.260 Penelope Jean Hayes: In any wisdom in any book I had not at that point in my life found this, and so my experience was actually that I had.
00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:47.970 Penelope Jean Hayes: A moment in my life, where I decided to change everything, so I had hit my personal rock bottom and.
00:26:48.570 --> 00:26:57.360 Penelope Jean Hayes: A few weeks after that rock bottom moment I moved I moved countries moved to the United States from Canada.
00:26:58.170 --> 00:27:08.760 Penelope Jean Hayes: And immediately upon arriving in nashville Tennessee I had you know everything was new so I had a new career they opened my own business at that point.
00:27:09.060 --> 00:27:16.140 Penelope Jean Hayes: I had new friends, I had a new environment, this new city everything had changed, and it was this kind of.
00:27:16.590 --> 00:27:24.060 Penelope Jean Hayes: opportunity this quantum leap to change everything, so I began meditating every day, and so I would go out into a forest just.
00:27:24.630 --> 00:27:34.920 Penelope Jean Hayes: Very close by to nashville right outside and I would just sit there for hours if it took hours, and I would bring a pen and paper with me.
00:27:35.190 --> 00:27:51.840 Penelope Jean Hayes: And I knew that I would get ideas when I was sitting meditating I knew and also in the shower, by the way, so that I would get ideas, and I would start writing them down writing down philosophies just writing down what would come to me and nice word to think of it as downloads.
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.710 Penelope Jean Hayes: So these sort of downloads where I was like Well, this is interesting because.
00:27:55.950 --> 00:28:02.610 Penelope Jean Hayes: I didn't know I knew this information or, this is an idea I had never thought of before so you begin to wonder where does the information come from.
00:28:03.120 --> 00:28:17.280 Penelope Jean Hayes: So one day after I had been doing this for many months daily and for hours at a time, I was meditating one day in the forest, and I mean who knows, I might have been there for three hours or so that particular day.
00:28:17.760 --> 00:28:27.180 Penelope Jean Hayes: And I experienced a shift in energy and I was sitting there just quietly sitting there, and all of a sudden, I started seeing the forest differently.
00:28:27.570 --> 00:28:39.510 Penelope Jean Hayes: It was almost as if it was sparkling the colors were more vibrant and almost like there was this dimension that was more than 3D it was just popping up in.
00:28:39.930 --> 00:28:50.910 Penelope Jean Hayes: You know, almost like this shimmering effect and I thought whoa what is going on here and then this chipmunks sort of walked over my toe as I was sitting there on the ground in the forest and I thought.
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.970 Penelope Jean Hayes: Well that's strange just you know know i'm here.
00:28:54.660 --> 00:29:08.490 Penelope Jean Hayes: And these things started, you know kept happening, then this giant owl sort of kite it in, and I just caught out of the corner of my eye and giant owl is actually the species name I came to find out afterwards huge I mean a wingspan eight feet long just this.
00:29:08.490 --> 00:29:09.540 Penelope Jean Hayes: majestic creature.
00:29:09.870 --> 00:29:12.570 Penelope Jean Hayes: So it flies in and it lands right in front of me, Sam.
00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:22.470 Penelope Jean Hayes: So i'm sitting there on a cliff and overlooking this precipice, of the valley and it's changing colors it's fall time and it's all these beautiful reds and golds and.
00:29:22.800 --> 00:29:30.330 Penelope Jean Hayes: i'm sitting there surrounded by forest, but also on this cliff this our lands right in front of me we're talking, you know five feet away.
00:29:30.930 --> 00:29:35.610 Penelope Jean Hayes: On a branch on a tree that was just below this cliff that i'm sitting on.
00:29:36.570 --> 00:29:48.600 Penelope Jean Hayes: And it's just sharing space with me in this very close proximity and you know i'm thinking not really actively thinking, but starting to realize this as a unique experience, this is something special something happened.
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:59.580 Penelope Jean Hayes: It was an energy shift had happened, and so I realized in that time sharing energy sharing consciousness with this owl that the forest had accepted me.
00:30:00.300 --> 00:30:07.740 Penelope Jean Hayes: Then, my energy had become homeostasis the same as congruent with the energy around me.
00:30:08.070 --> 00:30:16.800 Penelope Jean Hayes: And so we come hopped up from our lives what's going on in our daily lives and the dramas of our lives and our our work and all of the things we're concerned about.
00:30:17.130 --> 00:30:23.490 Penelope Jean Hayes: And we bring that energy, and you know that energy into our being this that presence and we bring that wherever we go.
00:30:23.910 --> 00:30:35.160 Penelope Jean Hayes: So I had just been meditating for long enough that the energy of the forest rubbed off on me, you know it's a viral experience it's actually a passive experience called osmosis.
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:45.360 Penelope Jean Hayes: gnosis is the process by which molecules move from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration through a semi permeable membrane that's us.
00:30:45.690 --> 00:30:56.730 Penelope Jean Hayes: Until the concentrations are equal, on both sides, so i'm starting to write this stuff down because it's just coming to me this download of you know wow like just this passive experience.
00:30:57.990 --> 00:31:08.880 Penelope Jean Hayes: Affected me it had this impact short term thing and effect and actual long term effect as well and I felt very much opened up to you know next level consciousness and.
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:09.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Those gotcha.
00:31:09.750 --> 00:31:10.140 gotcha.
00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:15.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm curious did you ever look up with the symbolism of a Alice.
00:31:16.260 --> 00:31:19.200 Penelope Jean Hayes: Well, wisdom is one of the simple, yes I have.
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:25.080 Penelope Jean Hayes: Yes, and incorporated into the cover of my book that came later, but.
00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:37.110 Penelope Jean Hayes: Yes, it was a it was a fascinating experience, but what it taught me was a number of things, and one of the things is that the highest higher concentration always wins so it's not just that we share energy.
00:31:37.560 --> 00:31:44.940 Penelope Jean Hayes: But the energy of the forest was the more concentrated powerful energy in that particular instance, and it was just then little old me.
00:31:45.240 --> 00:32:00.270 Penelope Jean Hayes: So I picked it up, so we can extrapolate that into our lives and how that affects us whether we're at work, you know sitting in a cubicle standing on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange listening to the news all the time, we need to be aware of what we're marinating and right.
00:32:00.390 --> 00:32:08.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Exactly exactly being more aware of the interaction of all of this, and what is the effect it's having on us we've got to take another quick break.
00:32:09.390 --> 00:32:13.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Very good at it, I would love to when we come back kind of talk about.
00:32:13.560 --> 00:32:26.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The times we live in what's going on with coven in terms of the viral energy aspect of it, and what packs has to say about it and then let's really dig into the book and the message and what do you want to share with our audience okay.
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:40.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Great wonderful so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, we do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm Eastern right here on talk radio dot nyc and we'll be right back after this.
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:38.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we're talking with Penelope Jean Hayes and Carol serene oregon's.
00:35:39.600 --> 00:35:40.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So Carol.
00:35:41.520 --> 00:35:41.880 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You.
00:35:42.060 --> 00:35:46.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: There was a book that came out just I guess a little while ago called the likely future.
00:35:47.610 --> 00:35:48.600 Yes, yes.
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Go ahead.
00:35:51.690 --> 00:36:08.910 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I was just going to say and it's on the bio it says it's a it's a coven 19 Expos day so i'm just curious like what kinds of messages have you been getting over the last year that kind of relate to what we've been experiencing as a collective and what it really means for us.
00:36:09.810 --> 00:36:12.990 Carole Serene Borgens: Well Penelope and I did two volumes.
00:36:13.470 --> 00:36:18.510 Carole Serene Borgens: This is the likely future volumes one and volume two.
00:36:20.520 --> 00:36:46.500 Carole Serene Borgens: We were busily working on the doin to earth manuscript when packs interrupted us to speak about coven and the messages that we got and the questions that Penelope asked, which is how this works, she asked the questions of packs and we channel the responses.
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:52.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But so so you guys are kind of like Esther and Jerry hicks right because Jerry questions and Esther would give the answer.
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.330 Carole Serene Borgens: Absolutely, the only differences that Esther was always a voice channel.
00:36:57.510 --> 00:37:12.840 Carole Serene Borgens: Yes, but he'd set her down on stage and call in the troops and she would begin the channeling they likely future short and long term guidance from the source, the source would be spirit.
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:29.550 Carole Serene Borgens: starts off by telling us where the virus originated how it's mutating how it's really blooming in people how to potentially treat it.
00:37:30.540 --> 00:37:36.420 Carole Serene Borgens: It was all there and our wish was that these little books get into the hands of.
00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:46.560 Carole Serene Borgens: The scientists who could learn from them, we were told that it originated in the lab and will have in China that there was.
00:37:47.070 --> 00:38:09.990 Carole Serene Borgens: A young female lab worker who made an error in the protocol in what she was doing had to cover her tracks We were also told that the virus that was being developed in that lab was intended by the country as a weapon of war.
00:38:12.270 --> 00:38:28.590 Carole Serene Borgens: The plot thickens she had to cover her tracks when she made the error and apparently remove the infected that says they were, and there was a nearby wet market and it.
00:38:28.590 --> 00:38:30.780 Carole Serene Borgens: seems as though that's where they went.
00:38:32.910 --> 00:38:38.100 Carole Serene Borgens: yeah so Penelope carry on from here.
00:38:38.670 --> 00:38:40.860 Penelope Jean Hayes: haha i'll take the baton darling.
00:38:42.810 --> 00:38:56.430 Penelope Jean Hayes: Yes, the will haunt Institute of neurology and packs made clear that we're being given this information, not to point fingers at China but because this laboratory in particular has been working on coronavirus for decades.
00:38:56.430 --> 00:38:59.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Longer yeah and any other lab on the face.
00:38:59.220 --> 00:39:11.820 Penelope Jean Hayes: of the planet, so they know a lot about this disease in fact they developed this particular disease, so what we have going around the world is not coronavirus is a you know it's a it's a novel virus that was derived.
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:15.990 Penelope Jean Hayes: From a natural virus in the wild which it's not anymore, and it was.
00:39:15.990 --> 00:39:22.680 Penelope Jean Hayes: developed as Carol said into this biological weapon not intended to be released at the time, but still the intent.
00:39:22.680 --> 00:39:30.150 Penelope Jean Hayes: Was there to develop the weapon, but that we need to work in collaboration with the Chinese Government with this live in particular.
00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:45.750 Penelope Jean Hayes: And perhaps in collaboration and organized through a World Health Organization have some time to be able to really get to the bottom of it, because the vaccines that we have right now, are not the end of the story, and time hotel that.
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:56.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know what is the lesson, do you feel like that comes from this, what is the lesson for all of us to learn experiencing what we've experienced with.
00:39:56.610 --> 00:40:05.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Things getting shut down world economies coming to a standstill, all kinds of stuff do our our whole life being so disrupted and such an unexpected way.
00:40:05.850 --> 00:40:07.530 Penelope Jean Hayes: that men can change the world.
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:08.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:15.420 Penelope Jean Hayes: And that could be the negative or the positive, so the takeaway that that I get through all of the work that we've done together is that.
00:40:15.810 --> 00:40:29.160 Penelope Jean Hayes: We do have impact on the world around us and, in this case, a very negative impact we also look at what we're doing to our planet Earth so to not be ignorant in believing that we don't affect the world.
00:40:29.460 --> 00:40:30.090 Penelope Jean Hayes: That we can't.
00:40:30.120 --> 00:40:42.480 Penelope Jean Hayes: Possibly mess up to the extent of causing a global pandemic, or you know, a nuclear bomb or decimating the environment with, as we have been.
00:40:42.870 --> 00:40:43.680 Penelope Jean Hayes: plastics.
00:40:43.740 --> 00:40:58.380 Penelope Jean Hayes: Just dumped into our oceans affect the world and we need to be cognizant of it to take this experience and to realize how quickly our lives changed through human intervention in this case and negative one.
00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:00.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah yeah yeah it was.
00:41:01.020 --> 00:41:10.440 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It was interesting because early on, I kind of mentioned on my show and it just sort of an intuitive flashlight came to me that, like this is just the first.
00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:22.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: of potentially many global challenges that we're going to have, and that we need to come together to like fix them like this is not the time for us to being divided into factions and.
00:41:23.070 --> 00:41:32.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know you're right and i'm wrong that it's Actually, this is the time for us to come together so that we can work together, because there are other challenges on the horizon.
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:43.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I would like to get into do one to earth, since you already mentioned about the ecological impact of everything, because one of the things I find curious is also that the.
00:41:44.310 --> 00:41:52.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The impact of of the economy slowing down and businesses stopping in this pandemic is nature has started to thrive, a little bit at least.
00:41:53.100 --> 00:41:58.290 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I noticed that a lot because i'm in New York City right, one of the most densely cities in the United States.
00:41:58.680 --> 00:42:07.710 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And i've seen barred owls and central park there's been spotting whales in the Hudson river I just saw an article a couple weeks ago there were dolphins in the east river.
00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:22.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I can, in my entire life i've never heard of dolphins in the east river so when when we slow down and stop and it's not as much activity and we're not affecting the environment as much nature does come back doesn't it.
00:42:23.160 --> 00:42:29.610 Penelope Jean Hayes: yeah that's the other side of the coin so again look at how, when we set our minds to it in this case, we were forced into it.
00:42:30.150 --> 00:42:40.470 Penelope Jean Hayes: But we can make the change and we can make the change quite rapidly that we have time to bring back the wellness of this planet in terms of environment.
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:52.050 Penelope Jean Hayes: Ecological The system needs to be in balance but look at how quickly we did change that we've seen you know the ozone getting better we've seen you know dolphins and the canals of Venice.
00:42:52.410 --> 00:43:02.010 Penelope Jean Hayes: And you mentioned quite a few things there too, so we have the ability, if we want to and usually we just don't want to because we're you know more selfish and more or.
00:43:02.550 --> 00:43:11.970 Penelope Jean Hayes: or concerned about daily sustenance so most people are concerned about making their paycheck and putting food on the table and we're caught in this system.
00:43:12.630 --> 00:43:24.090 Penelope Jean Hayes: And I think that system you alluded to, when you read the excerpt from your book to that we get caught up, and you know, whatever it is we do every day, without ever stopping to say like is this working.
00:43:24.570 --> 00:43:25.500 Penelope Jean Hayes: You know, is this working.
00:43:25.650 --> 00:43:30.660 Penelope Jean Hayes: And it doesn't work it might work day to day when we're hand to mouth, but doesn't really work.
00:43:30.990 --> 00:43:40.260 Penelope Jean Hayes: When we are conducting ourselves, you know there's more cancers we've got issues where became In brief, the air anymore, the soils not pure so, is it really working.
00:43:40.770 --> 00:43:51.150 Penelope Jean Hayes: And isn't it time to to pivot into change, so there is the silver lining in this and that we have pivoted tremendously in our businesses, look at well what we're doing right now.
00:43:51.510 --> 00:43:57.540 Penelope Jean Hayes: yeah now look at look at how every business is now holding meetings in this way, and this is just one example.
00:43:57.930 --> 00:44:07.170 Penelope Jean Hayes: But we and I don't think it, you know it's not ever going to go back it's great for businesses to also realize how they can lower costs and a lot of factors.
00:44:07.740 --> 00:44:17.100 Penelope Jean Hayes: within their their business model now with these new things and we're learning that hey you know what we could have a percentage of our of our employee group.
00:44:17.130 --> 00:44:18.210 Penelope Jean Hayes: Work from home and it's.
00:44:18.210 --> 00:44:21.900 Penelope Jean Hayes: better for everyone so we're going to stick with a lot of these changes.
00:44:22.200 --> 00:44:25.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right absolutely absolutely yeah I keep hearing all the time that.
00:44:26.310 --> 00:44:36.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know we're never quote unquote going back to the way things were but we're going to go to something different and more a hybrid model seems to be what most people are talking about these days.
00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:42.720 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: we've got to take one more break it will be our last break of the show so when we come back i'd really like to.
00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:56.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: begin to do into earth like what can people individually do, and like what's the the the the hopeful message like, how can we show up better that will help us and the planet and and help us to thrive better okay.
00:44:58.710 --> 00:45:10.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful so everyone, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we we've been speaking this hour with Penelope Jean Hayes and Carol serene bargains and we will be right back after this.
00:47:30.330 --> 00:47:38.700 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we're talking with the authors of do on earth it's not too late.
00:47:39.030 --> 00:47:49.290 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Carol serene oregon's and Penelope Jean Hayes so Carol the title of the book is due on Terra it's not too late, so that's kind of sounds like a hopeful message.
00:47:49.980 --> 00:48:02.610 Carole Serene Borgens: It is indeed it's filled with hopeful messages it's not a gloom and doom book, it does inform, but it also shares what we can be doing.
00:48:04.590 --> 00:48:12.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Give us some quick tips of like what are some simple things that our audience can start doing today that can make a bigger difference over time.
00:48:13.020 --> 00:48:19.170 Carole Serene Borgens: We talked a lot about the plastics problem using plastics.
00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:29.850 Carole Serene Borgens: We talk a lot about cleaning our water and our air we talk about different fuel sources, the need for.
00:48:31.020 --> 00:48:55.140 Carole Serene Borgens: cutting down on our use of oil and gas we talk about electric vehicles and there's a lot of daily things we can do in our home life but really a message from packs and ongoing message is we each must understand that we can make a difference.
00:48:55.560 --> 00:49:16.410 Carole Serene Borgens: We can make a difference, you talked earlier Penelope talked about making a difference in the world as it becomes a negative, we also speak about the positives we can make a difference in how we function as a family, are we going to use plastic for everything.
00:49:16.830 --> 00:49:18.720 Carole Serene Borgens: We can make a difference.
00:49:18.810 --> 00:49:31.350 Carole Serene Borgens: Globally, if choose it's all about understanding what is our motivation, what is our strength, do we want to be a crusader.
00:49:32.310 --> 00:49:43.950 Carole Serene Borgens: For our forests in our clean air, and if so do if you feel like your best efforts are in your own city or village.
00:49:44.670 --> 00:50:01.980 Carole Serene Borgens: or family then begin there but understand that you do in fact have the strength, the the guidance, you know spirit will be there with people when they're on a on track for this kind of a earth changing.
00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:13.410 Carole Serene Borgens: plan and everybody who understands, they can make a difference will get out there and try and I think that knowing so.
00:50:14.430 --> 00:50:36.420 Carole Serene Borgens: People aren't afraid to begin to make the changes that they think will make an impact on our world axes told us we have eight to 12 years before a fail safe point is to reach not the end of the world, but it may be the tipping point we may have gone too far.
00:50:36.720 --> 00:50:37.920 Carole Serene Borgens: In our pollution.
00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:43.590 Carole Serene Borgens: By that time so it's rather critical that we get on it.
00:50:44.070 --> 00:50:58.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right right and nlp it does seem like even in the business world, people are starting to get it, because i've seen a report after report that says that sustainable.
00:50:59.040 --> 00:51:21.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: socially minded companies actually outperform those that don't have a social cause or aren't don't initiate sustainable practices in their policies and what they do that that actually it makes dollars and cents, it makes sense to to approach even business in this way doesn't it.
00:51:22.350 --> 00:51:36.450 Penelope Jean Hayes: Well, it does, but it's because it's been popularized, so it is popular right now to care about the environment and the lesson from that is that we, the consumer will drive the market we drive what manufacturers make.
00:51:36.870 --> 00:51:37.650 Penelope Jean Hayes: We drive.
00:51:37.680 --> 00:51:46.230 Penelope Jean Hayes: If there's going to be plastic or paper bags available at the grocery store we're the ones that make those decisions, and yet we somehow don't know it.
00:51:46.590 --> 00:51:51.060 Penelope Jean Hayes: That every time we buy something we're making a vote, and it is a political vote.
00:51:51.450 --> 00:52:06.270 Penelope Jean Hayes: You know, when we asked for a paper strong set of a plastic straw, we are changing that we're changing the consciousness, but we're changing what's been popularized and as a result, companies just want to meet our needs because that's their job so.
00:52:07.290 --> 00:52:12.420 Penelope Jean Hayes: You know, give credit where credit is due, but the credit is actually do for the people.
00:52:12.510 --> 00:52:13.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: In this room.
00:52:13.710 --> 00:52:19.650 Penelope Jean Hayes: So I would encourage people to continue doing that and get the book down to earth, and the reason being there's.
00:52:20.550 --> 00:52:34.710 Penelope Jean Hayes: Almost nothing in this book that you have just heard everywhere else, I mean packs talks about that the soil and the great Redwood trees, is a purifier of salt water, you know we have a huge problem of clean water on this planet.
00:52:35.010 --> 00:52:36.180 Penelope Jean Hayes: And we slow to how to.
00:52:36.180 --> 00:52:47.460 Penelope Jean Hayes: Properly disseminate water, the reverse osmosis is actually uses more energy than the benefits and so we do not know, we have all of this water in the oceans and yet we have a water shortage prices.
00:52:48.600 --> 00:52:48.810 Penelope Jean Hayes: So.
00:52:48.990 --> 00:52:49.320 Penelope Jean Hayes: let's talk.
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:54.930 Penelope Jean Hayes: About what's there's you know something special in the soil that we are to reverse engineer.
00:52:55.230 --> 00:53:05.940 Penelope Jean Hayes: And to then share it with the world, this is just one example mean we're talking about literally out of this world ideas that you haven't heard anywhere else, including what should replace plastic.
00:53:06.180 --> 00:53:12.900 Penelope Jean Hayes: it's not just you know stop using plastic and, yes, plastic is everywhere, our clothes that are polyester guess what that's plastic.
00:53:12.930 --> 00:53:14.490 Penelope Jean Hayes: plastic or bits are made out of.
00:53:14.490 --> 00:53:15.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: plastic plastic.
00:53:16.020 --> 00:53:20.640 Penelope Jean Hayes: That we want to become mindful, but he also gives the solution which is hemp cellular.
00:53:22.140 --> 00:53:23.100 Penelope Jean Hayes: Things and so.
00:53:24.300 --> 00:53:37.470 Penelope Jean Hayes: You know, going that direction, but to your point Sam this opens up new businesses mendis legally, we are on the precipice, of the greatest expansion in our manufacturing in our pivoting to new industries.
00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:48.270 Penelope Jean Hayes: In invention in new technologies and there's money to be made so for people who are only you know who maybe are only interested in that and that's fine we need them to.
00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:50.490 Penelope Jean Hayes: Because, maybe they have the money to make these things.
00:53:50.490 --> 00:53:51.810 Penelope Jean Hayes: happen, but I.
00:53:52.470 --> 00:53:53.160 Penelope Jean Hayes: want it.
00:53:53.490 --> 00:54:05.790 Penelope Jean Hayes: And we're going to be asking for it and we're going to insist on it and that's what we want to buy but all of these new industries are going to begin opening and it's a time, we are on the precipice, of a time of huge opportunity in this sector.
00:54:06.180 --> 00:54:11.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right right yeah it just reminds me of that old phrase it's we vote with our wallets.
00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:12.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And that's the most.
00:54:13.050 --> 00:54:22.350 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Important vote that we cast it's you know when we say this is what I want, then you know it will be delivered to us and we.
00:54:22.620 --> 00:54:31.650 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And, but it's not just saying this is what I want, but I want it in this manner so it's not just about buying a Bamboo toothbrush instead of a plastic toothbrush.
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:39.810 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But I want to make sure that the Environment wasn't damaged in the manufacturer of that toothbrush, and this is one of the things I find.
00:54:40.170 --> 00:54:52.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Actually, I feel millennials are much more in tune with this and much more present with this idea of what is the value How are things done, is it done sustainably or not.
00:54:53.370 --> 00:55:04.590 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and there's Some people even talked about you know not just sustainable, but we need to start doing things regenerative Lee to actually regenerate the environment, not just to be sustainable, at this point.
00:55:05.130 --> 00:55:08.730 Penelope Jean Hayes: Well, we are, we were to when we were in our 20s when you're a teenager in in.
00:55:08.730 --> 00:55:19.560 Penelope Jean Hayes: Your 20s don't yet have to pay for a family, so if you get the millennials and every one of our generations and really it comes down to that they are free to do what's right.
00:55:19.680 --> 00:55:30.990 Penelope Jean Hayes: They are free to be led by their inner consciousness, whereas sometimes as we get older the responsibilities and things that we have to pay for debt mortgages These things also factor in and that's okay.
00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:37.200 Penelope Jean Hayes: You know that's Okay, but together we can make this happen and we need all generations to make that happen.
00:55:37.470 --> 00:55:39.360 Penelope Jean Hayes: You know one generation has passion.
00:55:39.390 --> 00:55:46.080 Penelope Jean Hayes: The next generation has the money to make it happen, and maybe the knowledge built over time, so we need to come together, as you said earlier.
00:55:46.530 --> 00:55:58.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah absolutely absolutely Well, ladies it's been such a pleasure, having you on my show I could talk with you for hours absolutely so one more time, can you hold up the book do on earth so but.
00:55:58.530 --> 00:56:00.210 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Let our audience see it real quick.
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:08.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Here we go it's beautiful book and they can get it on Amazon, and all the typical booksellers.
00:56:08.490 --> 00:56:19.650 Penelope Jean Hayes: Everywhere books are sold and just go to our website packs wisdom calm and all of the spelling links are right there on the website so that's PA X wisdom.com.
00:56:20.130 --> 00:56:28.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful and is that both for you Penelope and for you Carol or is that just for Carol if people want to get in touch with you Penelope is the same.
00:56:29.190 --> 00:56:40.020 Penelope Jean Hayes: Everything is linked through packs wisdom calm, but we have our individual websites carols is her name Carol serene bargains calm mine is my name Penelope gene Hayes calm.
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:51.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful wonderful well, thank you both so much for for coming on the show today, I really appreciate it, I love the message that you're spreading and.
00:56:51.600 --> 00:57:04.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know I always say you know there's no point to argue about climate change, because what we're talking about to solve climate change are things we should be doing anyway, even if there was no climate change so.
00:57:04.830 --> 00:57:20.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: it's it's, we need to sort of transcend the conversation and and find a way of coming together because it's only by coming together that we're really going to solve these huge worldwide problems, so thank you for being champions have such a beautiful message.
00:57:21.150 --> 00:57:22.590 Carole Serene Borgens: Thank you for having us.
00:57:22.740 --> 00:57:32.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: you're welcome you're welcome and, of course, thank you, my loyal listeners for tuning in every week, I hope you enjoyed the conversation, please go out and get the book do on earth.
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