The Impact of Scottish Immigrants on the City and our Cityscape
On this week’s show, broadcast during Tartan Week here in New York, we will celebrate how Scottish immigrants contributed to and influenced New York, especially our architectural heritage.
My guests will be architect John Kinnear, founder of John Kinnear Architects, and board member of the American Scottish Foundation; and Graham Dobbin, business coach and public speaker at Asentiv New York, and host of his own trailblazing radio program “The Mind Behind Leadership”
tonight on Rediscovering New York we’re taking a deep dive into Scottish heritage. Starting with tartan week, it is a Celebration of Scotland contributions Scott’s have made in the United States United States. If you look up AmericanScottishfoundation.org there you will find the events that are going on this week. there is no parade this year so all events are happening virtually. Our first guess is John Kinnear, founder of John Kinnear Architects, and board member of the American Scottish Foundation. John found a passion for architecture very early in life. He was Building things and taking trips around New York. So he felt it would be a great fit. The Scottish been here since the formation of New York. The Livingstons were the first family to Really make a name for themselves and they purchased land across the Hudson River. Alexander Hamilton One of the founding fathers. his family was also one of the wealthiest families in Scotland, but he did not end up inheriting, and had to work his way up. John McCone was another Scottish man who became famous for his architecture in New York and eight of his buildings have become landmarks. He has cemented himself in New York history.
if you’d like to contact John you can go to JohnKinneararchitect.com. Charles McCain was a Architect of Scottish descent born in America. The University club on fifth Avenue is such a gem.It’s marketed as an Italian Renaissance. The interior of the building is beautiful; the library is modeled after the Vatican library. He also helped develop Pennsylvania station, the original Penn station, another staple in New York architecture. Wallter cook is known for being the architect of the Carnegie mansion. Frank Lloyd Wright was another Scottish an American architect, designer, writer, and educator. He designed more than 1,000 structures over a creative period of 70 years. Sadly he designed a house for Marilyn Monroe that was never built and he passed away in New York.
Our second guest is Graham Dobbin, business coach and public speaker at Asentiv New York, and host of his own trailblazing radio program “The Mind Behind Leadership. Graham I just was drawn to New York and it’s magic and decided to build a home here. Carnegie, One of the most famous architects Settled in Pennsylvania. Carnegie became well off at a young age as his investment paid off . Putting money into Railroads Oil derricks and bridges. And he founded Carnegie steel. We should become the biggest steel company in the world. He understood people and business and that made him the success that he was.
Graham Works with multiple companies such as BMW, google. As a business coach he really is involved. He takes a practical approach and knows that one size does not fit all when it comes to working with businesses. If you wanna get in contact with Graham go to Lincoln.
00:00:30.630 --> 00:00:31.770 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone.
00:00:32.700 --> 00:00:33.960 Jeff Goodman: Welcome to our listeners in the.
00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:39.660 Jeff Goodman: Big apple from across the US around the world i'm Jeff Goodman and you've tuned into rediscovering New York.
00:00:40.350 --> 00:00:46.020 Jeff Goodman: professionally i'm a real estate broker with brown Harris Stevens, but rediscovering New York is not about real estate.
00:00:46.590 --> 00:00:59.520 Jeff Goodman: it's a weekly program about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city, and we do with our interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists musicians and artists and the occasional elected official.
00:01:00.570 --> 00:01:08.250 Jeff Goodman: On some shows we focus on an individual New York neighborhood exploring its history and current energy what makes that particular New York neighborhood special.
00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:16.380 Jeff Goodman: On other shows like tonight we host episodes bad an interesting and vital color the city and its history that's not focused on one particular neighborhood.
00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:20.550 Jeff Goodman: not going to go into the kinds of shows that we do, because we have a very full program tonight.
00:01:21.090 --> 00:01:31.170 Jeff Goodman: Today is April six and it's actually Tartan Day and the Scottish calendar and this week is Tartan week Tartan week is a celebration in many North American cities.
00:01:31.590 --> 00:01:36.780 Jeff Goodman: Of the heritage of Scotland and the contributions that Scots have made in the United States.
00:01:37.260 --> 00:01:50.580 Jeff Goodman: And I thought that it would be very appropriate this week to focus on Scottish people who came to New York and who left their imprint, some of whom you have never heard of before, but many of whom you can still see walking around the city.
00:01:51.690 --> 00:02:01.440 Jeff Goodman: We have a little treat tonight before we introduce our first guest we're going to have a couple of minutes of remarks that are going to be played recorded.
00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:11.220 Jeff Goodman: By Camilla hellman Camilla is the President of the American Scottish foundation and she's going to talk about virtual programs to sweep for Tartan week in New York take it away Emily.
00:05:16.290 --> 00:05:23.310 Jeff Goodman: Well, thank you Camilla hellman of the American Scottish foundation on a personal note, I have to say i'm disappointed that we're not going to have a live.
00:05:23.640 --> 00:05:33.810 Jeff Goodman: parade this year, even though the parade is only 12 blocks it's one of the most fun parades in New York it's always the first Saturday in April and.
00:05:34.830 --> 00:05:41.640 Jeff Goodman: I have to say that the Pipers on the Tartan Day parade or even better than the ones on this and patrick's day parade I know my Irish fans are going to resent me saying that.
00:05:42.150 --> 00:05:54.270 Jeff Goodman: But anyway, um our first guest is john can year is Camilla said john is an architect he practices, primarily in and around New York and also worked on projects and other parts of the US and in Great Britain.
00:05:54.990 --> 00:06:01.740 Jeff Goodman: john believes that successful design is a function of proportion rhythm and balance and that these principles apply to all architecture.
00:06:02.640 --> 00:06:09.690 Jeff Goodman: Projects john has worked on include the British garden and Hannah square that's here in New York City, the restoration of also church here in New York.
00:06:10.230 --> 00:06:19.620 Jeff Goodman: The restoration of 18th and 19th century homes, as well as new homes built with traditional materials all projects incorporate energy conservation balanced sites and green design.
00:06:20.670 --> 00:06:28.530 Jeff Goodman: john is President of the American friends of the Georgian group chairman of the architectural advisor committee and village district consultants in ridgefield Connecticut.
00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:42.720 Jeff Goodman: john serves on the boards of the valkyrie partnership that's Eleanor Roosevelt home, by the way in the Hudson valley and perhaps most notably for our program he's on the board of the American Scottish foundation john can the air a hearty welcome to rediscovering the New York.
00:06:43.620 --> 00:06:45.240 John Kinnear: Well, thank you, thank you for that Nice.
00:06:46.320 --> 00:06:47.130 John Kinnear: introduction.
00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:56.040 Jeff Goodman: I wanted to, of course, we're going to talk about scott's in New York, but I want to ask you a little about your background when did you decide that you wanted to be an architect.
00:06:57.150 --> 00:07:03.390 John Kinnear: Pretty early, probably by the time I was 15 or 16 my father said, what are you going to do for the rest of your life and.
00:07:04.320 --> 00:07:10.290 John Kinnear: I kind of thought about it, and always like working on things and building things, etc, etc.
00:07:10.830 --> 00:07:17.910 John Kinnear: And my grandmother was terrific when I was very young took me all over New York that's how I developed, such a love for the city.
00:07:18.630 --> 00:07:36.120 John Kinnear: And Pratt Institute, where I eventually went to school had a had a test to determine determine if you had an attitude aptitude for architecture, I think I did that my senior year and the rest was getting to school becoming an architect.
00:07:38.010 --> 00:07:42.930 Jeff Goodman: Well that's great i'm actually have friends who are architects almost like saying I have friends who have lawyers.
00:07:43.650 --> 00:07:44.490 Jeff Goodman: But actually some.
00:07:44.580 --> 00:07:50.340 Jeff Goodman: Sometime offline I want to talk to you more about Georgia and architecture, especially since I studied Georgian history in college.
00:07:51.330 --> 00:07:58.410 Jeff Goodman: And we have to talk about some of those great books, I have in my library i'm moving speaking of Georgia and architecture, though scott's were famous for it.
00:07:59.190 --> 00:08:09.420 Jeff Goodman: But moving to scotts here in New York, it would be easy to think that Scott started settling here after the takeover of new netherland and new Amsterdam by the English.
00:08:10.080 --> 00:08:16.050 Jeff Goodman: But scott's actually settled new Amsterdam with the Dutch and the fact sailed here before new Amsterdam was even founded didn't pay.
00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:27.750 John Kinnear: They did it was one of the most interesting things of the research that we did, and the Scots as we found out to our research and through other things were incredibly.
00:08:28.230 --> 00:08:36.090 John Kinnear: Great explores I mean they you can find scott's anywhere around the world, all through the time that people were exploring.
00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:48.540 John Kinnear: And the Scots and the Dutch had a long standing relationship there's even a Scottish church in Rotterdam that's been there since 1643 and still exists.
00:08:49.020 --> 00:08:59.670 John Kinnear: They were sailors, they were soldiers, they were merchants, they were builders and and the Dutch really did rely on them right from the beginning in Amsterdam.
00:09:00.570 --> 00:09:09.810 Jeff Goodman: And it wasn't just the judge who quote unquote purchased Manhattan from the lobby and 1626 there was a Scott, with Peter minuet when the deal was finalized wasn't there.
00:09:10.260 --> 00:09:18.810 John Kinnear: There was most interesting yeah name of scandal in and he was there there's even paintings that show him with Peter mine, yet you know.
00:09:20.190 --> 00:09:24.930 John Kinnear: Giving the $24 worth of worth of goods to the Indians.
00:09:26.220 --> 00:09:40.800 Jeff Goodman: New Amsterdam became New York john and 1664 after the English, because actually Scotland wasn't part of Great Britain at that, so we can say it was an English take over the area I have my second guest sort of a frowny get me but.
00:09:41.910 --> 00:09:51.870 Jeff Goodman: Did the area see a wave of Scottish immigrants, like in the years following the takeover and the forming of New York from from new netherland.
00:09:52.680 --> 00:10:03.480 John Kinnear: not really the Scots have come to New York over the over the centuries, that the city has been here but they're never have been real waves of Scottish immigrants as they were with.
00:10:03.990 --> 00:10:09.450 John Kinnear: The Irish the Italians, the Chinese, and you know, sometimes people ask me why is there no.
00:10:10.020 --> 00:10:21.930 John Kinnear: New Scotland in New York, or like a Scottish Scottish town and it's, I think, primarily because there never was that that immigration all at the same time.
00:10:22.890 --> 00:10:37.050 John Kinnear: they've been in the United States since its formation and many Scots came to the United States, they were well to do people in Scotland but wanted to you know expand their horizons and and come to the new country.
00:10:38.550 --> 00:10:41.940 Jeff Goodman: Who was the first really prominent Scottish family to.
00:10:43.380 --> 00:10:47.670 Jeff Goodman: Set up shop in New York into and to build an estate in the family business.
00:10:48.390 --> 00:11:01.410 John Kinnear: The living standards were the first family and livingston's came and without too much time going by had intermarried with the beacons which were very prominent family in New York, from the very beginning.
00:11:01.950 --> 00:11:14.910 John Kinnear: And the livingston's went on to establish major estates up and down the Hudson valley and most of them, many of the manor houses still exists today, and some of them are open to the public, and you can visit them.
00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:24.930 John Kinnear: So the livingston's which came from linlithgow in Scotland were a major force in the in the settlement of the Hudson Valley.
00:11:25.920 --> 00:11:33.870 Jeff Goodman: And there was a notorious Scott, in early New York that many of our listeners will recognize his name, even though they tend not to think of them as having any kind of New York connection.
00:11:35.070 --> 00:11:53.130 John Kinnear: Captain kidd that's he was became notorious he was actually a new yorker pretty prominent new yorker he married the widow of a very wealthy person and their home was in Hanover Square, which is now the site of the British memorial garden that you mentioned earlier and.
00:11:53.460 --> 00:11:53.880 Jeff Goodman: That was.
00:11:54.450 --> 00:11:56.340 Jeff Goodman: built in a dedicated after 911.
00:11:57.180 --> 00:12:03.060 John Kinnear: It was, yes, it was it was dedicated I think was in 2006 by Queen Elizabeth herself.
00:12:03.750 --> 00:12:12.600 John Kinnear: And the new name of the park is of course the Queen Elizabeth the second September 9 memorial September 1 memorial park September and.
00:12:13.290 --> 00:12:25.590 John Kinnear: yeah Captain King was actually a privateer and financed by very prominent Englishman, but his his reins were not successful and and he became the scapegoat and I was actually hand in London.
00:12:27.150 --> 00:12:31.200 Jeff Goodman: And not just hanging but Juba did as well i'm pretty sure that he did that to him.
00:12:31.800 --> 00:12:38.610 Jeff Goodman: yeah let's fast forward about 100 years to the American revolution, the largest battle of the war, the battle of long island which actually took place in brooklyn.
00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:48.750 Jeff Goodman: There was a Scottish born general whose command of a regimen may have enabled most of the continental army to retreat safely to Manhattan and live to fight another day, who was he.
00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:58.530 John Kinnear: That was sterling general sterling a Scott, who came to fight for the for the Americans and he put up a successful.
00:12:59.340 --> 00:13:14.610 John Kinnear: battle that that held back the British and gain Washington time to get across the Hudson the East river, unfortunately, was an incredibly foggy morning, and if it wasn't for the fog, they would have been they probably would not have made it Manhattan.
00:13:16.170 --> 00:13:22.170 Jeff Goodman: Well, speaking of the Warren independence john there was a very famous first generation American a Scott by descent.
00:13:22.800 --> 00:13:33.990 Jeff Goodman: Who gained fame and the revolution working as an adjunct to George Washington and, of course, became one of the country's founding fathers what was Alexander Hamilton Scottish background and when did he come to New York.
00:13:35.040 --> 00:13:51.420 John Kinnear: Alexander hamilton's father was the third son of the Hamilton family, which was one of the wealthiest families in Scotland but as third son he didn't inherit so he went to the Caribbean, to try and make his fortune in the sugar trade.
00:13:52.710 --> 00:14:10.110 John Kinnear: That didn't really pan out and he he live with what's a common law why, for many, many, many years she she had been married before her husband whenever grant a divorce and Alexander Hamilton was born in that under that shadow.
00:14:11.640 --> 00:14:24.450 John Kinnear: And of course people disparage that relationship and his his his being born under that shadow but it turned out that he was an incredibly incredibly intelligent, I would say, probably a genius.
00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:34.530 John Kinnear: and worked from the time he was about 14 for training house and the training house was owned by the bateman's the same family that we spoke of earlier and.
00:14:35.220 --> 00:14:48.570 John Kinnear: beacons recognized his incredible talents and intelligence and sent him to New York to go to king's college, which is of course now become Columbia, and that was just before the revolution.
00:14:49.920 --> 00:15:02.130 Jeff Goodman: or we're not we've talked about Hamilton on other shows, and we have so many other people to cover that I want to leave Hamilton for now, who was john mccomb and what were his contributions to New York, especially right after independence.
00:15:02.700 --> 00:15:14.790 John Kinnear: Well john mccomb came from he and his father were both builder architects and their family had come to America oh in the 1730s so again.
00:15:16.050 --> 00:15:30.720 John Kinnear: Not not poor immigrants by any means and their uncle actually gotten a Royal Charter to all the first trade west of the allegheny mountains and became an incredibly wealthy person someone like the astor's.
00:15:31.470 --> 00:15:38.040 John Kinnear: And had that probably was one of the most wealthy people in the city and you know nothing win the war.
00:15:38.550 --> 00:15:53.460 John Kinnear: After about 10 years of British occupation in New York, nothing was built nothing was repaired, so the city was in terrible condition the mccombs gotten involved in helping rebuild the city after the revolution and john jr.
00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.200 John Kinnear: did an incredible amount of construction and, to this day.
00:15:59.430 --> 00:16:12.450 John Kinnear: So many of his building still exists and it become landmarks that he as an individual architect has eight landmarks which I believe is more than anybody else in New York City or in the history of the city wow.
00:16:12.990 --> 00:16:14.610 Jeff Goodman: And he was rescan they were Scottish.
00:16:15.210 --> 00:16:27.990 Jeff Goodman: Yes, we're going to take a break in a moment, but let's talk briefly about someone whose name is one that most new Yorkers would recognize, even though most don't know who the man behind the name is and that's article gracie.
00:16:29.460 --> 00:16:31.770 John Kinnear: alrighty well grace again a Scottish merchant.
00:16:32.790 --> 00:16:40.320 John Kinnear: owner of many ships trainer and he came to New York and decided that's where he wanted to build his his home.
00:16:40.950 --> 00:16:53.340 John Kinnear: And he built the gracie mansion on the grounds where there was a much earlier house burned down and gracie mansion again thanks to Robert Moses became the resonance for the Mayor of New York.
00:16:54.060 --> 00:17:01.710 John Kinnear: And it's pretty much the way it was in his time, although there was a wonderful ballroom addition built in the Wagner administration.
00:17:02.310 --> 00:17:04.410 Jeff Goodman: And they have installed some indoor plumbing in the interim.
00:17:05.760 --> 00:17:06.300 John Kinnear: A little bit.
00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:11.070 Jeff Goodman: A little bit yeah yeah no it's actually a beautiful house and, interestingly on the visit.
00:17:12.090 --> 00:17:20.640 Jeff Goodman: The fireplace that Alexander Hamilton died in front of that was in the village and the village house that was demolished that was removed, and it was.
00:17:21.150 --> 00:17:27.630 Jeff Goodman: reinstalled in gracie mansion so the fireplace that Hamilton died of his wounds from the duel is actually in gracie mansion.
00:17:28.530 --> 00:17:37.740 Jeff Goodman: we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with john can year john is an architect and he's also a board member of the American Scottish Foundation will be back in a moment.
00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:39.270 Jeff Goodman: we're back this is episode one or nine of rediscovering New York, which is entitled the Scots in New York.
00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:45.390 Jeff Goodman: My first guest is john kinnear john is an architect and he's also a board member of the American Scottish foundation.
00:20:45.810 --> 00:21:00.780 Jeff Goodman: jump in a minute we're going to be talking about some of the great Scottish architects, whose works can still be seen, but I want to ask you about that something in your work, what project have you worked on that you would consider the greatest of the one that you're most proud of.
00:21:02.520 --> 00:21:13.530 John Kinnear: Well it's an interesting question and one of my clients who I just finished a wonderful house boy in tuxedo parks at what's your favorite project john and I said the next one.
00:21:15.930 --> 00:21:22.590 Jeff Goodman: And to that end if people would like to contact you to find out about your services, how can they, how can they get in touch with you.
00:21:23.430 --> 00:21:40.650 John Kinnear: Well, I do have a website john kinnear architects calm and now and have an office in New York, the number is 212-682-8390 and that's probably a good way to start.
00:21:41.520 --> 00:21:45.960 Jeff Goodman: Yes, let's talk about one of your favorite subjects and mind to architecture.
00:21:47.730 --> 00:21:54.300 Jeff Goodman: Actually studied a little architectural history at vassar with Richard Palmer no no that name rings a bell he's no longer with us, but um.
00:21:55.440 --> 00:22:00.690 Jeff Goodman: let's look at Charles became he was a founding partner of mucking meet and white.
00:22:01.710 --> 00:22:11.100 Jeff Goodman: It was the most prolific and influential architectural firm in America at that time, do you want to talk a little bit about McKinnon the work that he and his firm did in New York.
00:22:11.910 --> 00:22:23.190 John Kinnear: yeah actually he was the first Scott that we did a talk on because it came to my mind immediately when we started thinking of Scottish architects in the city.
00:22:23.820 --> 00:22:31.200 John Kinnear: He was a dis Scott descendant of course born in America his parents were in a very big in the abolitionist movement.
00:22:31.650 --> 00:22:42.630 John Kinnear: He didn't want to have anything really to do with that he went to Harvard and from Harvard he went to study the mozart's a call in Paris and that's where he decided that he wanted to be an architect.
00:22:43.230 --> 00:22:50.910 John Kinnear: And came back to the United States and met up with Stanford white and the two of them, plus me who is basically the business partner in the firm.
00:22:51.480 --> 00:23:05.160 John Kinnear: started the firm and and pretty much the rest was history from about the 1880s tell about the 1920s, they were the most prolific creator firm in this in the city and in the United States.
00:23:07.770 --> 00:23:19.080 John Kinnear: His his gem has prize is the university university club on fifth avenue and it's a wonderful building, you know kind of modeled on an Italian Red Renaissance structure.
00:23:19.590 --> 00:23:28.860 John Kinnear: And the interiors of fabulous I mean leave the library, there is based on the Vatican library and the detailing of everything in that building this supper.
00:23:29.520 --> 00:23:40.590 John Kinnear: And it's it's amazing when you walk by the building you think it's a three story building it's actually 10 stories was very cleverly designed to still appear like a an Italian plaxo.
00:23:41.670 --> 00:23:52.770 Jeff Goodman: And of course mckimmie to white where the architects of the famous and now defunct Pennsylvania station original penn station which you can still see an amazing photographs, but sadly we can't see it.
00:23:54.300 --> 00:24:11.880 Jeff Goodman: face to face, I want to spend a little bit of time talking about other Scottish architects, whose work really impacted me your work, but unlike mckimmie why three names that most people probably wouldn't recognize but might recognize the buildings, who was Walter cooking What did he do.
00:24:12.630 --> 00:24:19.590 John Kinnear: Well, Walter Cook was is still primarily known for being the architect for the Carnegie mansion.
00:24:20.820 --> 00:24:31.260 John Kinnear: And, and which is now of course Cooper you it and Carnegie as much as he could would generally use architects that were of Scottish descent.
00:24:32.490 --> 00:24:43.260 John Kinnear: cook also his firm also did quite a number of the libraries that Carnegie built in New York City, and you know that's a whole topic in itself, he did about 2500.
00:24:43.620 --> 00:24:57.990 John Kinnear: He contributed the construction money for about 2500 libraries around the English speaking world New York alone has 67 of them most are still functioning as libraries all done by prominent architects at the time.
00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:11.070 Jeff Goodman: And I think we can meet and wide also designed about a dozen of them currently we have john Duncan he was the architect of grant's tomb you want to talk about him a little bit.
00:25:12.060 --> 00:25:22.110 John Kinnear: Well, again music Scott not not sort of too much, but he did grant's tomb, which is an incredible building, especially the interiors if you haven't been there you've got to get up there.
00:25:22.590 --> 00:25:24.660 Jeff Goodman: it's the best kept secret in New York, the first.
00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:31.470 Jeff Goodman: time I went in I walked inside and I thought, how could I not have been here before it's it's it's incredible there's nothing like it anywhere that i'm.
00:25:31.620 --> 00:25:41.700 John Kinnear: it's it's so true and then, of course, he did the grand army Plaza you know the arch in brooklyn which is you know, one of the most predominant spaces in the whole borough.
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:51.570 John Kinnear: And he did a few he did a lot of other buildings, he did a you know, a townhouse, which is still extent, and I think sold for about $50 million recently.
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.570 Jeff Goodman: And then we have William title.
00:25:56.070 --> 00:26:06.780 John Kinnear: Yes, William title again Carnegie selected him to build Carnegie hall you'd never done any kind of a music, well before, but he was a musician.
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:17.400 John Kinnear: And the right ear and he went to Europe, and he studied all the great great opera houses and halls in Europe and came back and design the Carnegie Hall, which, to this day.
00:26:18.360 --> 00:26:26.970 John Kinnear: You know, as we all know, it's just about acoustically perfect there's many stories that can be attached to this but that'd be like a whole radio show in itself.
00:26:29.610 --> 00:26:33.750 Jeff Goodman: And we're going to talk a little bit about the man who funded that in the next segment of the show.
00:26:35.040 --> 00:26:47.100 Jeff Goodman: And john someone who most Americans don't realize was of Scottish ancestry was frank frank Lloyd Wright he actually was descended from the borders region right above the Tweed.
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:48.870 Jeff Goodman: Is that right yeah right, but between.
00:26:50.250 --> 00:27:00.360 Jeff Goodman: He was most famous in New York for the guggenheim museum and the interior of the little house in the metropolitan museum, but he also a construct he also designed some other really significant buildings in the city.
00:27:02.100 --> 00:27:09.420 John Kinnear: yeah he also he also designed some wonderful residential houses, you know, there was the one and still there and Staten island.
00:27:10.020 --> 00:27:19.500 John Kinnear: And he designed a house for Marilyn Monroe which was never built, but of course he actually passed away in New York, because he was living at the Plaza hotel at the time.
00:27:20.370 --> 00:27:32.250 John Kinnear: And he did a showroom for cars it's mostly Porsches and other brands on park avenue, and it survived until probably about 10 years ago and it's unfortunately no longer there.
00:27:33.030 --> 00:27:37.860 Jeff Goodman: But it wasn't landmark I would have thought that a built a building like that would have been landmark I thought it was.
00:27:37.890 --> 00:27:56.940 John Kinnear: It was it was unfortunately only an interior and and getting Len interiors landmark is kind of a difficult task I guess it's really as too bad because it was an incorporated a lot of Franklin lights ramps and you know it was just a very obviously a right type of a space.
00:27:58.470 --> 00:27:59.790 Jeff Goodman: Who was john Russell Pope.
00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:13.590 John Kinnear: john Russell poke again was a Scott, the scent probably most famous for converting the frick mansion into the frick museum that we all absolutely love to this day.
00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:26.670 John Kinnear: He also did buildings all over the all over the United States and and Washington DC and he did the Masonic hall in Washington DC which is again a very fabulous building.
00:28:29.100 --> 00:28:39.660 Jeff Goodman: Or, most people have walked the streets of New York will know, the work of this this next architect, but I will bet you that they don't know his name William lamb What did he build What did he do.
00:28:40.860 --> 00:28:41.760 John Kinnear: William lamb.
00:28:43.410 --> 00:28:57.900 John Kinnear: Who his father was a carpenter back in Edinburgh into knighted states and we came in architect, and he was responsible for 40 Wall Street, which for a short period of time was the tallest building in the world.
00:28:59.760 --> 00:29:09.660 John Kinnear: A few months later, the Chrysler building surpassed him because the Chrysler building built the sphere, or the mast within the building.
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:30.450 John Kinnear: waiting until lambs building was topped off and completed and raised the mast which made it a few hundred foot actually taller than 40 Wall Street and not too long after that lambs other project, which was the empire state building surpassed everybody and.
00:29:31.470 --> 00:29:36.030 John Kinnear: And remain the tallest building in the world, I think, until probably.
00:29:36.750 --> 00:29:39.420 Jeff Goodman: Until the Trade Center was built the original 20 nothing.
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:47.220 John Kinnear: yeah yeah that was that was very cool, but even before even before that the one of the buildings in Chicago surpassed it.
00:29:50.370 --> 00:30:02.970 Jeff Goodman: We only have about a minute left there are a lot of more people, we can talk about but i'd like to talk briefly about Philip Johnson, he was responsible for some of the most iconic buildings and spaces in the city, do you want to talk about him for him for a minute.
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:12.330 John Kinnear: yeah Philip Johnson is of course very well known for his working with me is Vander Oh, and the senior and building and the four seasons restaurant.
00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:20.700 John Kinnear: Now the four seasons restaurant, fortunately, is one of the interiors in New York City that has been landmark and cannot be changed in any way.
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:26.100 John Kinnear: there's, of course, different people operating the restaurant now, but the space is exactly the same.
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:39.330 John Kinnear: He also did the sculpture garden at the Museum of modern art, he did the New York state theatre and Lincoln Center the lipstick building the at amp T building, you know many, many projects in New York.
00:30:41.250 --> 00:30:55.890 Jeff Goodman: Well, for a country now that has about 5 million people who would have thought that such a relatively small country would have such a huge impact on the cityscape and perhaps what is the greatest city in the world and i'm prejudiced everybody, but, but so.
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:11.850 Jeff Goodman: john Thank you so much, I our first guest on the special show the Scots in New York celebrating Tartan week in New York, has been john kinnear john is a renowned architect and he's also on the board of the American Scottish foundation Thank you john.
00:31:12.690 --> 00:31:25.140 Jeff Goodman: Thank you we're gonna take a short break and when we come back, we have another special guest who's going to be speaking about someone who, many people may not have known was in New York, but who became a new yorker we'll be back in a moment.
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:20.820 Jeff Goodman: oops a little delay there we're back and you're back to rediscovering New York and our special episode number one on the Scots in New York.
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00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:38.670 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest tonight on the Scots in New York is a Scott in New York he's Graham dobbin originally from Dunfermline in Scotland, the birthplace of Andrew Carnegie.
00:35:39.210 --> 00:35:45.330 Jeff Goodman: Graham has been very aware from an early age of carnegie's impact on New York i'm trying to say that, like a Scott, instead of like a new yorker.
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:52.680 Jeff Goodman: Carnegie Erica was and is still a huge influence in both Dunfermline in New York, even more than a century after his death.
00:35:53.490 --> 00:36:02.370 Jeff Goodman: Grand has made New York City his home for nearly four years he helps to develop leadership teams and some of the world's largest organizations such as Google BMW in the World Bank.
00:36:03.390 --> 00:36:09.480 Jeff Goodman: And we're grateful to have Graham on the show less than 48 hours before he departs for an extended business trip to Australia.
00:36:09.930 --> 00:36:16.440 Jeff Goodman: And if all this isn't enough, aside from grand being a friend, he has his very own radio show and podcast right here on talk radio that nyc.
00:36:16.860 --> 00:36:26.700 Jeff Goodman: it's called the mind behind leadership which you can hear on Thursdays at 8pm right here on the station and also on podcast Graham it's my pleasure to have you on my show thanks for coming tonight.
00:36:27.120 --> 00:36:30.270 Graham Dobbin: This is so strange Jeff being on the other side of the microphone.
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:37.230 Jeff Goodman: Very occasionally I get interviewed by other people and it's actually Nice that i'd have to come up with a question just have to give the answers.
00:36:39.030 --> 00:36:49.920 Jeff Goodman: Graham I like to ask my guests are from we know where you're from and but if they're not from New York what brought them here what was it about New York that had you decide to move your life from the United Kingdom and here, of all places.
00:36:50.490 --> 00:37:01.170 Graham Dobbin: You know it's I get asked that question a lot Jeff and it's it's a difficult one to answer because there's just seems to be some kind of natural draw to New York for for for for many scott's.
00:37:01.950 --> 00:37:07.320 Graham Dobbin: been here many times came on our at extended vacation the boat for four and a half years ago.
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.770 Graham Dobbin: And, rather than doing the tourist thing just got kind of got stuck into the neighborhoods that they believe that you talk about.
00:37:14.490 --> 00:37:23.580 Graham Dobbin: and spend two weeks in brooklyn fell in love with the place and thought if we don't do it no we never will and just made a happen, I mean it's as simple as that.
00:37:24.030 --> 00:37:24.750 Graham Dobbin: If anybody was it.
00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:35.280 Graham Dobbin: If anybody was asking me for advice and whether they should do it the way that i've done it I would I would not, I would tell them what it was, it was one of those things it just felt I needed to be done.
00:37:36.330 --> 00:37:38.010 Jeff Goodman: don't do as I do, maybe do what I say.
00:37:38.310 --> 00:37:39.450 Graham Dobbin: Something like that, yes.
00:37:40.350 --> 00:37:48.300 Jeff Goodman: um well Carnegie and his family, probably would have had a different experience when they moved to the States um i'd like to spend just a little bit of time talking about his life.
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:55.500 Jeff Goodman: Before we talk about what he did in and for New York how old was Carnegie when he left Scotland to come to the US.
00:37:56.160 --> 00:38:02.370 Graham Dobbin: He was he was 12 1213 years old, the interesting thing um something I just discovered today.
00:38:03.330 --> 00:38:13.680 Graham Dobbin: i've been began to use one of these websites that allows me to have a look at my ancestors, etc, and I found the manifest for him arriving here and it actually says he's 15.
00:38:14.220 --> 00:38:20.940 Graham Dobbin: on it, but it clearly wasn't so i'm not quite sure why it was recorded, like the Ellis Island, but he was he was 1213 years old.
00:38:21.600 --> 00:38:24.810 Jeff Goodman: Well, to get my first job as a cashier at alexander's I had to lie.
00:38:26.430 --> 00:38:28.890 Jeff Goodman: Somebody even forged my birth certificate at the time.
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.560 Graham Dobbin: To get that job we should be admitting on.
00:38:31.890 --> 00:38:42.870 Jeff Goodman: Jeff know was 45 years ago and for the second best on that um what was carnegie's lifelike when he and his family first came to the states where did they settle and what did they do.
00:38:43.740 --> 00:38:54.030 Graham Dobbin: Several Pennsylvania, and his father was was a linen Weaver in done firm that was the big industry, then, and it came across the first, I think the first job that they.
00:38:54.480 --> 00:39:05.070 Graham Dobbin: Under alumni need to practice this Andrew Carnegie Andrew Carnegie said he was a he was like a Bob and boy and a cotton mill but then he got a job.
00:39:06.300 --> 00:39:07.050 Graham Dobbin: As a Telegraph.
00:39:08.610 --> 00:39:18.090 Graham Dobbin: Why runner effectively, and that was when everything changed for him, but very menial jobs, you know, it was a very basic existence if you look at the.
00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:22.710 Graham Dobbin: Ease is a ritual original home, it was a kind of a one on one don't.
00:39:23.730 --> 00:39:33.450 Graham Dobbin: store and cottage that the whole family lived in and the parents of Washington in the environment, so they didn't have a lot of money, I will say relatives that helped him to sponsor them over here.
00:39:34.140 --> 00:39:39.150 Graham Dobbin: But it was it was sad, it was probably quite a tough upbringing and stuff like that that point.
00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:43.980 Jeff Goodman: When good Carnegie I can call him Carnegie you can call them Carnegie well.
00:39:45.810 --> 00:39:47.430 Graham Dobbin: we're gonna take john at the moment again.
00:39:49.500 --> 00:40:06.300 Jeff Goodman: alive saw this really interesting 62nd video on YouTube if anyone wants to Google it about how do you pronounce the Carnegie you're kinda gave was really entertaining when did Carnegie make that transformation from being an employee to beginning to owning and running his own businesses.
00:40:06.750 --> 00:40:12.660 Graham Dobbin: You know what he was he was in his mid 20s when when he started make some serious serious money.
00:40:13.140 --> 00:40:23.160 Graham Dobbin: I think it was given some shares and he saw dividends coming from the shares it works extremely hard he was he was seemed to be a hard worker, which is.
00:40:23.850 --> 00:40:35.910 Graham Dobbin: Something that I think scott's a kind of got a reputation for and he was just he was recognized as being slightly more intelligent in in.
00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:46.350 Graham Dobbin: forceful than than others, and he started to make money in his early 20s by the by the time you're 28 he was making some serious serious money and running big businesses.
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:54.000 Jeff Goodman: Well, he had successful investments in railroads sleeping cars with the pullman company in bridges.
00:40:54.390 --> 00:41:02.460 Jeff Goodman: And even oil derricks and, of course, he ended up building the biggest steel company in the United States in this in this United States, which is one of the things.
00:41:02.790 --> 00:41:12.570 Jeff Goodman: He is known best for Graham you study leadership and the quality is of leaders, what would you say made Andrew Carnegie the man, he was that enabled him for a while.
00:41:13.020 --> 00:41:18.960 Jeff Goodman: to become the richest person in the United States and i'm guessing maybe the richest self made person in the world at that time.
00:41:19.710 --> 00:41:30.150 Graham Dobbin: it's really interesting he just seemed to have this knack of understanding people, more than anything else, obviously understood business be understood people what are they.
00:41:31.680 --> 00:41:47.460 Graham Dobbin: We know what stories are like from then there's a lot of anecdotal stuff but one of the biggest deals that an ambiguous that he did was between Rudolph and George tillman when the merge the two companies to have this flipping cars allow them difficult train journeys over 500 miles.
00:41:49.110 --> 00:41:51.960 Graham Dobbin: And pullman was the choice like difficult to work with.
00:41:53.100 --> 00:42:02.040 Graham Dobbin: And the story goes that Andrew Carnegie was the was the was the person who was was negotiating this deal for both parties and pullman wasn't interested.
00:42:03.180 --> 00:42:11.940 Graham Dobbin: and his Carnegie will vote to leave Cuban said some what would be called this company if we were to America and he said, of course, we call them to zoom in coach company.
00:42:13.170 --> 00:42:27.300 Graham Dobbin: And he just knew that using names with with probably trigger the eagle of George tillman everything changed at that point when when filming realize that was his name that was going to be above the door.
00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:36.180 Graham Dobbin: And Carnegie persuaded all of the parties that it was worth giving up for the joint venture, and he got shares for doing them.
00:42:37.860 --> 00:42:42.780 Jeff Goodman: Then, of course, he went on to found Carnegie steel, which would become the biggest deal company in the world.
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:58.380 Jeff Goodman: um let's move on a little bit from his business i'm Carnegie most people don't don't know it, but he was also a scholar, he was a writer, and he was also an activist, you want to talk about that side of who he was.
00:42:58.680 --> 00:43:02.040 Graham Dobbin: Probably just a little bit, it was quite controversial, probably for for being.
00:43:03.060 --> 00:43:19.860 Graham Dobbin: A Scott nebraska you wrote you wrote pieces about hybrid republicanism and being a republic, rather than in the US was much was a much better model than having a monarchy in the UK, so he he saw.
00:43:20.910 --> 00:43:35.850 Graham Dobbin: He saw the American model and wanted to encourage that in the UK, as much as he could, and he was you know, one of the things that didn't make him too popular something in some quarters in the UK as well, but it was it was very much.
00:43:36.990 --> 00:43:45.900 Graham Dobbin: an activist in a number of different ways, where, as we know, john's already mentioned about libraries, he was absolutely passionate that people have access to learn.
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:48.450 Graham Dobbin: Regardless of background.
00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:51.000 Graham Dobbin: And this was something that.
00:43:52.470 --> 00:43:54.480 Graham Dobbin: Was they went right through his life.
00:43:56.850 --> 00:44:01.620 Jeff Goodman: Well we're going to take a short break Graham and when we come back, I want to talk about.
00:44:02.070 --> 00:44:14.100 Jeff Goodman: Carnegie shift from him being a businessman and in wealthy industrialist to his work as a philanthropist I do want to say one little note though I have never.
00:44:14.520 --> 00:44:25.890 Jeff Goodman: had any alcohol on any program that i've ever had but celebrating Tartan week I poured myself and DRAM of my favorite Scottish whiskey, which is talisker Graham has his own favorite whiskey grab what what's yours.
00:44:26.040 --> 00:44:27.510 Graham Dobbin: i'm just on macallan this evening.
00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:36.930 Jeff Goodman: Okay, but I had to I had to do telescope we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Graham dobbin and I hope that in honor of Tartan week.
00:44:37.350 --> 00:44:43.530 Jeff Goodman: That, if you do drink that you maybe have a little wee bit on your own to enjoy the rest of the show will be back in a moment.
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00:46:59.610 --> 00:47:10.500 Jeff Goodman: we're back and you're back to rediscovering New York and our special episode the Scots in New York celebrating Tartan week in New York and in North America it's celebrated in Canada and the United States.
00:47:11.010 --> 00:47:21.600 Jeff Goodman: My second guest tonight is Graham dobbin Graham is a consultant, and a leadership coach Graham I want to ask you about your business, you want to talk a little bit about the kind of work you do and what.
00:47:22.770 --> 00:47:26.370 Jeff Goodman: makes your consulting and your leadership training special.
00:47:27.270 --> 00:47:29.910 Graham Dobbin: And it's everything to do with my accent.
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.410 Jeff Goodman: that's probably the best way to see.
00:47:32.910 --> 00:47:33.750 Jeff Goodman: Your face in whiskey.
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:40.950 Graham Dobbin: tasting whiskey um I suppose Jeff one of the things I get, as I mentioned before I get involved with.
00:47:41.610 --> 00:47:49.830 Graham Dobbin: Helping leadership teams and some some very, very large organizations across North American in UK and know in Australia as well.
00:47:50.250 --> 00:47:59.970 Graham Dobbin: And I think one of the one of the things that makes a difference is we come from a practical background we've done it in the past, so this isn't just you know corporate training or leading.
00:48:00.810 --> 00:48:14.040 Graham Dobbin: We look at this very much in context of how companies work and try to get in into the function of it and the people, rather than just going through a process, so we dig in real depth.
00:48:14.970 --> 00:48:22.350 Graham Dobbin: we're working with a number of companies like indeed like BMW of what was Google in the World Bank in the past and.
00:48:23.370 --> 00:48:29.040 Graham Dobbin: And it's very much it's a practical application of it and there's kind of no one size fits all.
00:48:30.120 --> 00:48:34.290 Jeff Goodman: If people want to find out more about your work and to get in touch with you how would they do that.
00:48:34.770 --> 00:48:43.560 Graham Dobbin: best way to catch me as linkedin there are only about three Graham dobbins in the world, so that's probably the easiest way to find me is linkedin.
00:48:45.090 --> 00:48:47.010 Jeff Goodman: A great.
00:48:48.210 --> 00:48:49.650 Jeff Goodman: Back to Carnegie.
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.130 Jeff Goodman: When he was at the peak of success in.
00:48:53.250 --> 00:49:00.000 Jeff Goodman: His wealth, he made a shift he made a profound shift a huge shifts as Bernie Sanders would say.
00:49:00.660 --> 00:49:10.740 Jeff Goodman: He sold his steel business to JP Morgan for an inordinate amount of money more than anyone had probably ever seen at that time and gone through a bank and he became a philanthropist.
00:49:11.250 --> 00:49:23.310 Jeff Goodman: What was it about his personal journey that had him make a total shift in what he did, every day, and what what the reason for him going into an office going to meet people was all about I.
00:49:23.370 --> 00:49:23.640 You know.
00:49:25.710 --> 00:49:42.030 Graham Dobbin: it's one of those questions that I don't brings make determine a lot about how we move forward even later to the life and i'm absolutely convinced that Andrew Carnegie and bringing in Dunfermline because he was born within within.
00:49:43.050 --> 00:49:48.540 Graham Dobbin: A few hundred yards of where Robert the Bruce was buried, he was born in the ancient capital of Scotland.
00:49:49.110 --> 00:50:01.260 Graham Dobbin: And you know it's a really, really proud place, but it was a place that was almost segregated when he was there between rich and poor, and I think that had a profound effect on them, so when he got to a point, and there was also a couple of things that happened during.
00:50:03.180 --> 00:50:05.460 Graham Dobbin: During his his.
00:50:06.510 --> 00:50:21.420 Graham Dobbin: His business career that I think also had a had a big effect on to the Smith tone writers and where there was an industrial action where some people died, it was one of the biggest in the US, still in history, he wasn't on the ground frisked was.
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:27.180 Graham Dobbin: But he took a lot of the flack for that, and so I think when he came out he realized that.
00:50:28.140 --> 00:50:35.250 Graham Dobbin: One of these mantras was and i'm going to paraphrase this from Andrew Carnegie voice, you know today riches today in disgrace.
00:50:35.910 --> 00:50:48.030 Graham Dobbin: So his everything was it a mass more money, they could possibly ever spend themselves for good, could you do with it, so I think that that seems to be you know pop me the trigger.
00:50:49.590 --> 00:50:58.410 Jeff Goodman: Well let's move to the fruits of his philanthropy we don't have time to go into all these is john talked about he built Carnegie hall in New York.
00:50:58.740 --> 00:51:02.790 Jeff Goodman: He built a piece palace in The Hague, which is now the seat of the International Court of Justice.
00:51:03.270 --> 00:51:09.420 Jeff Goodman: He founded the Carnegie corporation in New York, the Carnegie endowment for international peace, the Carnegie Institute of science.
00:51:09.810 --> 00:51:18.900 Jeff Goodman: Carnegie trust for universities of Scotland Carnegie hero fun Carnegie mellon University, which is based in Pittsburgh, and the Carnegie museum of Pittsburgh, among many others.
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:25.230 Jeff Goodman: When did he moved to New York Yes, he did move to New York he became a new yorker you wasn't but.
00:51:26.370 --> 00:51:32.640 Graham Dobbin: i'm trying still trying to work out how long you need to be here to become a New York Jeff he moved to New York and late 1860s.
00:51:33.570 --> 00:51:48.480 Graham Dobbin: And decided this was where he was going to set the corporation, this is where he was going to run run his business from and and then obviously he you know few years later he built the Carnegie Hall, we can say it properly the Carnegie hall.
00:51:50.190 --> 00:52:01.050 Graham Dobbin: which was regarded as you know, I mean john will do much more as being an architect, is one of a kind of the hidden secrets of New York of nobody's been in the tour of Carnegie hall gone in.
00:52:01.710 --> 00:52:07.470 Graham Dobbin: For the for the sake of 20 bucks or whatever it is, and and I already have templates that was fascinating place I.
00:52:07.710 --> 00:52:13.380 Jeff Goodman: I always think of Carnegie Hall, and his endowment of that his his building up a new interesting because.
00:52:14.370 --> 00:52:26.850 Jeff Goodman: My understanding is he was known more as other things in a patron of the arts, he was a writer, he was a scholar, he was an activist yeah what was going on in his world that had him say I have to build this monument.
00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:33.780 Jeff Goodman: To the most incredible music or to hear the most incredible music that the world could possibly could possibly here.
00:52:34.170 --> 00:52:43.020 Graham Dobbin: I understand big was what was going on in his world was his wife and he built he built Carnegie Hall, because she was much more into the arts.
00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:55.950 Graham Dobbin: And that was one that was one of the driving forces for them to do it, and again when you built it and i'm sure john's probably got a bit more knowledge, and this will, my understanding is that was one of the more north of the parts.
00:52:56.430 --> 00:53:00.570 Graham Dobbin: Of Manhattan at the time when when when Carnegie hall was built.
00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:07.200 Jeff Goodman: Speaking of northerly parts of Manhattan before we get to the things that he built.
00:53:08.160 --> 00:53:13.620 Jeff Goodman: In gave to new Yorkers by intention, one thing I always wondered Graham is that he built his mansion on the Northern end.
00:53:14.100 --> 00:53:26.940 Jeff Goodman: Of were wealthy people along fifth avenue built their mansions and lived, I mean the fix built their mansion in the 70s, the Rockefellers bit further down town um do we know why he moves so relatively far north on the avenue um.
00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:33.360 Graham Dobbin: I don't know anything I would say, is he was he was always ahead of ahead of his time.
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:43.410 Graham Dobbin: He built it he's got central park there, and he knew that Manhattan was going to be, it was going to be expanding, it was an extreme secrecy that they bought the land to build it.
00:53:44.160 --> 00:53:49.830 Graham Dobbin: So you don't want anybody to know, but my guess is, and I mean the whole sort of the areas know cold Carnegie hill.
00:53:51.180 --> 00:53:55.020 Graham Dobbin: My guess is he knew just word Manhattan was going and how it was going to expand.
00:53:56.010 --> 00:54:03.810 Graham Dobbin: And when one of the other things, I would say just just close to his house and Ben Franklin was right outside in a state called pits increase park.
00:54:04.200 --> 00:54:15.720 Graham Dobbin: And it was in the state that was locked off until he bought it and opened up to to the public, so you actually encode that to done family that takes up about a third of the footprint of the of the timing.
00:54:16.470 --> 00:54:25.320 Graham Dobbin: And my guess is that kind of it's sitting outside central Park, is a very, very similar kind of situation he's got slightly different hosts.
00:54:26.220 --> 00:54:41.790 Jeff Goodman: And he did go back to Dunfermline a number of times and was very philanthropic with the plan in place that he came from also building libraries and other things, aside from Carnegie hall Graham what was some of the other projects that Carnegie got involved in the city.
00:54:44.010 --> 00:54:50.940 Graham Dobbin: Cotton candy GIs influences is over the place, I mean I would, I would say, probably the biggest has been the libraries.
00:54:51.540 --> 00:55:00.570 Graham Dobbin: And that's that's been the largest part and I have read that he was influential in in certain parts of central park as well.
00:55:01.290 --> 00:55:08.460 Graham Dobbin: And some some of the designers as it was developed and it's really interesting he's probably better known here Jeff and he is in Scotland.
00:55:09.390 --> 00:55:24.660 Graham Dobbin: that's that's actually quite that's that's an interesting, so we were brought up with knowing Carnegie in the local area, but when you go outside of the dumbfounded they do say that the 530 and most people actually don't know that Carnegie hall in New York was built a Scotsman.
00:55:25.350 --> 00:55:27.030 Graham Dobbin: hmm, which is quite sad.
00:55:29.340 --> 00:55:40.500 Jeff Goodman: Well, you know there were lots of other famous new Yorkers who who gave back to the people of the city so much you call Carnegie one of new york's most influential residents why.
00:55:41.490 --> 00:55:46.500 Graham Dobbin: um I think that did this, and this is a personal thing is influential for me.
00:55:47.220 --> 00:55:55.650 Graham Dobbin: Because i've been in for for openness, I live in the same street, as he did in New York and my mom used to live in the same street as he didn't them family.
00:55:56.010 --> 00:56:04.560 Graham Dobbin: So this seems to be something going on there, so certainly influential to me, but you can see his influence everywhere, whether it comes down to the university.
00:56:06.390 --> 00:56:22.410 Graham Dobbin: And even how how people from New York recognize that, if you look at the Cooper Hewitt no see his his mansion isn't just privately owned has been turned into something else Carnegie hall is still regarded is is is whether the most unique theaters.
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:27.960 Graham Dobbin: In the world, especially for the acoustics de facto law.
00:56:30.900 --> 00:56:33.750 Jeff Goodman: Do you have a favorite building that Carnegie built that's in New York.
00:56:34.470 --> 00:56:48.660 Graham Dobbin: um, I guess, and it is really interesting is Carnegie Hall, on January, the first time I went in the studio I was because i've been in the Carnegie Hall, and then found one, and I promise you, is not anything like this one.
00:56:51.090 --> 00:56:59.580 Jeff Goodman: Well, Graham based on what you've told me about Dunfermline i'm looking forward to visiting I actually we were supposed to go last June, but, sadly, like everyone else.
00:57:00.090 --> 00:57:08.340 Jeff Goodman: We we we cancel the trip Graham like so many times that you and I conduct interviews on our show or at a time time just goes by really fast.
00:57:09.210 --> 00:57:16.890 Jeff Goodman: My second guest on this show which i'm called the Scots in New York, has been grandpa and grandma is a leadership coach.
00:57:17.220 --> 00:57:27.870 Jeff Goodman: And he's also a specialist on things Scottish and also Andrew Carnegie Graham thanks for making the time to to be with us, especially so soon before your trip down under and.
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00:57:56.430 --> 00:58:02.160 Jeff Goodman: i'm Jeff Goodman a real estate agent at brown hair Stevens in New York City and whether you're selling buying leasing or renting.
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00:58:11.430 --> 00:58:23.340 Jeff Goodman: And don't forget this week to take advantage of all the virtual events for Tartan week here in New York and around other parts of the US our producers Ralph story or our engineer this evening is the fabulous Emily showman.
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:36.000 Jeff Goodman: Our production assistant assistant is Leah cupola and or special consultant for the program is David Griffin of landmark branding who will be back on the air shortly thanks for listening, everyone will see you next time.