How can a company go from the struggles of the pandemic to a model of success?
The show begins by the host, Eric Sarver, introducing the special guest Maureen Weisner who has been featured on a previous episode. She is a certified professional coach, a co-founder and managing partner of a consulting firm titled Kick Start Your Transition, speaker, author and more. The first topic being discussed is professional appearance and presentation. The host explains the factor of anxiety and trying to look presentable online while also trying to impress verbally. Maureen then speaks about her background. She somewhat struggled to find jobs due to saturation but soon found a position teaching. Eventually, she began working independently which transitioned to working with Delta Airlines. She takes pride in helping others succeed even when the circumstances are difficult.She exclaimed that it is important to stay inspired and motivated. In regard to the pandemic, many business owners were unsure about what to do because they were unable to reach people the way they were used to. The two stress that no matter what is being done, being productive is what is key. It is difficult to adapt to change but all business owners are going through similar problems.
Thanks to the pandemic, people have begun to blend their business and personal appearances. In addition, when speaking it is just as important to care about the tone of voice compared to what is being said. Maureen stresses that slouching is a problem. Also, one should be aware of grooming and their environment while on Zoom calls and working remotely. Maureen states that people should practice before interviewing and presenting to help prevent errors. Speeding up, slowing down, or stuttering while speaking is distracting and may be a sign of being unprepared. Speaking at a good pace and taking breaths is ideal. It is important to have the camera leveled properly which will capture the face well. She stresses that yoga poses and using the bathroom before a remote call greatly helps. Carrying a mini toothbrush and using it before an important interview can also help. Make sure to greet people in person and have a hard copy of your resume handy.
Mock interviews can also be something that can assist an individual while preparing. It is important to do research beforehand which will ensure preparation. Have bullet points available to speak on when needed. The interviewer mainly wants to know what your greatest accomplishment was at your last place of employment. How did you help production? How did you help cut costs? When a broad question is being asked to you during an interview, it is important to narrow it down to something more direct. Marine implies not to ask about benefits along with other pieces of information that can be researched or learned later. It is important to know an abundance of information about the organization before entering the room. When mock interviewing, one should practice in the mirror. It will give the subject an answer about whether or not they are reflective or just responsive. If something is on your resume that is not exactly flattering, it is important to own it and state what you learned from that situation. Employers do not see anything wrong with that. Without that happening, you would not be where you are today. Furthermore, it is important to make good eye contact and smile. Those factors show that you are happy to be there and willing to contribute even when you just stuttered over a word or made a mistake.
Even though there are disadvantages of working remotely, it is important to remember that there are also advantages. Some examples are having post-it notes that ensure thoughts never go astray. Next, power poses are discussed that help contain one's power. Marine suggests keeping your feet flat on the floor and putting your arms straight up which most likely increases blood flow. In person, it is important to get to the place of employment early. This will help with networking. The individual will also get a feel for the temperature in the room. In addition, practicing is stressed again. It is important for people to know what their resting face looks like. If it is not pleasant it can be managed. Also, when smiling one should smile broadly. Many don’t realize how important these certain cues are. Smiling is contagious and only spreads positivity. To end the show, Marine explains the importance of writing down three things that are important on a post-it note. Stick that note somewhere and refer to it. This will result in a change in brain chemistry. She also says that she will be a panelist on Thursday for a women’s conference. They will be discussing how to manage interruptions and bullying in the workplace. This will feature real life situations from both men and women.
00:00:30.180 --> 00:00:40.050 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Good evening, welcome to employment law today i'm your host Eric solver i'm an employment law and business law attorney and founder of the law office of arrogance Oliver.
00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:52.050 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I host this video podcast and talk radio show every Tuesday night at 5pm right here on talk radio nyc where I have guests and we discuss some of the challenges are.
00:00:52.710 --> 00:00:59.310 Eric Sarver, Esq.: and employment basically employment law business law and other issues that people face during the pandemic.
00:00:59.730 --> 00:01:16.710 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Typically, business owners employers, as well as employees and individuals who might be pursuing career changes and so forth, and so in that light, I am very pleased to have back especial encore presentation of my guests marine weisner marine welcome to the show.
00:01:19.410 --> 00:01:23.490 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Oh, I think you might be muted marine i'm sorry I should have mentioned that to.
00:01:24.960 --> 00:01:26.370 Eric Sarver, Esq.: If you could unmute sorry but.
00:01:27.180 --> 00:01:31.440 Maureen Weisner: No problem my my error, I was so I was so engrossed with the music and I said oh.
00:01:32.370 --> 00:01:43.950 Maureen Weisner: I was facing out there for a moment, so yes Eric, thank you for inviting me back it's a pleasure to be here, I had wonderful time when we spoke previously, and I hope I can contribute for information, for your audience today.
00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:50.910 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Wonderful Oh, I think i've no doubt that the information will be helpful and valuable as it was in the past.
00:01:51.810 --> 00:01:58.440 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And that brings me to our introduction fall by the topic so marine marine weisner.
00:01:59.250 --> 00:02:10.620 Eric Sarver, Esq.: As master of education also a PCC and see PCC she is the Co founder and managing partner of the boutique career consulting firm and kickstart your transition.
00:02:11.160 --> 00:02:20.940 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Whose specialty includes helping individuals in or approaching transition typically evolving career change divorce, education and other work life events.
00:02:21.660 --> 00:02:32.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Marine wiser is a certified professional coach a seminar leader, a speaker and author and has been recognized as a top 10 executive coach by women's business of Boston.
00:02:33.060 --> 00:02:49.350 Eric Sarver, Esq.: marines extensive business knowledge interface abroad depth of experience from corporate sales training, education and small business ownership, which she brings to our clients, and so I wanted to give you that proper introduction marine welcome once again.
00:02:49.470 --> 00:02:56.400 Maureen Weisner: Thank you Eric always nice to always nice to hear you have to track back when you think about you know, for all of us how far we've come look at you, having an anniversary.
00:02:56.730 --> 00:03:00.630 Maureen Weisner: In the practice of law, how wonderful is that and how you've pivoted and done other things.
00:03:00.900 --> 00:03:06.060 Maureen Weisner: it's extraordinary for many of us when we do that look back, we see how far we've come, but when you're halfway up the mountain.
00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:11.340 Maureen Weisner: And you look back and you say I don't know if i'm still scared or if i'm going to continue to go.
00:03:11.580 --> 00:03:21.840 Maureen Weisner: But there's distance between the beginning and the end where you are wherever that is so always good to be moving forward always important to be upscaling always important to be learning being curious and so forth.
00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:32.610 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Absolutely marine absolutely and thank you for that that kudos on linkedin reminding me that April 16 actually will be 20 years since I opened the doors to my practice.
00:03:33.510 --> 00:03:45.450 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Back then, I was mostly doing the plaintiff side employee employment Labor rights and civil rights litigation immigration appeals and as Maria mentioned, I did pivot and towards the business owner and management side.
00:03:45.990 --> 00:04:00.540 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Sometime around 2012 or 13 so the journey always changing it's always interesting and, as I heard you say marine we're looking back when you're in the middle of summer hill climb it's amazing to look back and see where things come.
00:04:01.200 --> 00:04:05.400 Maureen Weisner: Yes, it is when you think about being on the chairlift I don't know if you riskier at all Eric but.
00:04:05.640 --> 00:04:10.560 Maureen Weisner: You know you're you're halfway up the mountain you think Oh, my goodness, I i'd hate to be hiking up there, right now, but somehow.
00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:16.860 Maureen Weisner: You get to that next stage, and you take a deep breath and then you get to the next base and it's incremental and when we add habits.
00:04:17.520 --> 00:04:34.290 Maureen Weisner: and continue to climb and continue to be curious and continue to learn and continue to network, it takes us to different places different introductions our our new networks can expand and make us very different and and we can segue into that afterwards for.
00:04:34.770 --> 00:04:35.430 Just a brief.
00:04:36.510 --> 00:04:41.970 Maureen Weisner: brief profile on one of our clients who just had an amazing experience and and so unexpectedly so.
00:04:43.620 --> 00:04:49.680 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Well, definitely want to hear about that, and in terms of a segue we can perhaps discuss the topic tonight.
00:04:50.550 --> 00:04:58.710 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Great and our topic is about professional presentation and pandemic style, similar to what we did a couple months back with marine.
00:04:59.010 --> 00:05:06.630 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Then the real sub topic here is around professional appearance and presentation, which have always been crucial factors for success, I think that's.
00:05:06.930 --> 00:05:12.840 Eric Sarver, Esq.: pretty much all can agree on that, how you convey your message, whether you are a candidate seeking a job or implement.
00:05:13.530 --> 00:05:22.290 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Whether you are a business owner perhaps you're looking to pitch to investors or looking to speak before a room of colleagues or with a client.
00:05:22.950 --> 00:05:31.560 Eric Sarver, Esq.: All very important to have good presentation skills and practices and with the pandemic, we have all seen a change, or at least, many of us have.
00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:39.150 Eric Sarver, Esq.: From the impersonal to the virtual and there are changes in terms of how we put on our best appearance.
00:05:39.840 --> 00:05:47.640 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Over zoom or in a two dimensional world so now with things transitioning back to a hybrid scenario.
00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:57.630 Eric Sarver, Esq.: What is often happening from what i'm hearing from colleagues and clients, is that there is now a dual anxiety there's anxiety, they have a putting on their appearance.
00:05:58.380 --> 00:06:08.460 Eric Sarver, Esq.: On zoom or webex or teams, but also that we've all been kind of out of practice, you know we've been home, many of us or virtual for over a year now so.
00:06:08.760 --> 00:06:19.650 Eric Sarver, Esq.: To be back in an actual three dimensional space to be standing before a colleague, you know we're suddenly you're not just a figure on the screen from the chest up right you actually are standing there all you know present.
00:06:20.760 --> 00:06:26.490 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know people actually have feet again and so it's it's an unusual it's it's readjusting and So how do we.
00:06:26.850 --> 00:06:42.000 Eric Sarver, Esq.: put on our best appearance and that's what marine will share her insights and observations about this evening, in part, so Green, I thought, if you can just tell us a bit more about yourself like where did you start your career and how will you inspire to inform kickstart your transition.
00:06:43.170 --> 00:06:49.440 Maureen Weisner: You know when when you look back and you see how many pivots you take, and whether they're anticipated or whether they are forced.
00:06:49.830 --> 00:07:01.170 Maureen Weisner: You there's causation with all the steps that you take, and so i'd always as we discussed before I always imagined being classroom teacher, it was very important to me, I I been called to that.
00:07:01.440 --> 00:07:10.710 Maureen Weisner: I enjoyed workings camp counselor in the summer and I felt that all of the teachers, that I had in the New York City public school at the time, this is growing up in Queens at a time when.
00:07:11.130 --> 00:07:19.290 Maureen Weisner: Women in particular were in teaching positions, who could have been CEOs of companies quite easily so we had some of the best and the brightest.
00:07:19.770 --> 00:07:28.050 Maureen Weisner: And we were incredibly fortunate to have teachers as role models so that's something that I always wanted to do and I was inspired by teachers who pushed us to be the very best.
00:07:28.830 --> 00:07:32.940 Maureen Weisner: Unfortunately, there were no teaching jobs at the time I graduated so what you do well, you have to work.
00:07:33.270 --> 00:07:41.700 Maureen Weisner: So you can enroll in the master's program because New York City you needed to have a master's within five years, and so you kind of go the traditional route and I took other jobs.
00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:49.380 Maureen Weisner: Federal Government private industry relocated to Philadelphia, I was just telling Emily about that, and what was that, like.
00:07:49.680 --> 00:08:00.390 Maureen Weisner: Suddenly you're in a new place and you're there for a reason I my my fiance at the time was in his residency and So what do you do, you find other jobs, so it was retail and then.
00:08:00.660 --> 00:08:12.990 Maureen Weisner: Other private teaching and we moved to the greater Boston area and again started started up no teaching jobs again until I was offered one, but at the same time, I was offered a position at a major airline.
00:08:13.410 --> 00:08:24.000 Maureen Weisner: And took that because it sounded interesting sand and it was an opportunity So what do you do with that way you take those skills of teaching and and training, and now you can.
00:08:24.270 --> 00:08:31.620 Maureen Weisner: employ those skills in a sales OPS operation and did that, for a while left there went to art school open to businesses.
00:08:31.980 --> 00:08:36.150 Maureen Weisner: finished another masters and another masters and leadership when I was called to.
00:08:36.420 --> 00:08:49.770 Maureen Weisner: coaching read about someone who is doing it sounded like it was a really good fit for me pursued that did all the training that I needed to do in leadership and group training and so forth went to California to do that and finish them and then it's been.
00:08:50.850 --> 00:08:57.360 Maureen Weisner: Wonderful co Finally I collaborate as I was working independently and then I collaborated with someone i'd worked with.
00:08:57.660 --> 00:09:03.180 Maureen Weisner: At delta airlines for number of years and we bring a different package to the table which is exciting.
00:09:03.510 --> 00:09:12.780 Maureen Weisner: We have been together for over seven years working with clients and, as I mentioned before we can work, because we are industry agnostic and we have always.
00:09:13.650 --> 00:09:25.470 Maureen Weisner: That we unless i'm speaking, we can be anywhere, so we can work with clients anywhere and it's exciting from West Coast to Israel and and everything in between it's it's so.
00:09:26.070 --> 00:09:37.470 Maureen Weisner: Fulfilling to be able to make a difference in Eric is you know when you work with clients and there's a result when somebody is moving forward when they had a goal, or you can help them apply a strategic plan it's very exciting and very rewarding.
00:09:38.490 --> 00:09:49.410 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Absolutely marine yes, I mean, and I imagine that all the different areas you're in different industries from retail airlines teaching different states, he lived in.
00:09:49.860 --> 00:10:02.640 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think that all contributes to the wealth of experience, but we have to offer our clients different perspectives, we can see, I would just imagine how invaluable that would be to you.
00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.810 Eric Sarver, Esq.: As a coach and as someone who can help.
00:10:06.870 --> 00:10:15.900 Maureen Weisner: me having the series of you're absolutely right Eric having the experience of being in an environment that may not be the best fit where you're not feeling inspired.
00:10:16.140 --> 00:10:21.330 Maureen Weisner: Where, you know that there's something else, so how can you achieve that pivot, how can you move toward something else.
00:10:21.660 --> 00:10:31.650 Maureen Weisner: I think what you know what we've touched on is being curious and like yourself moving from one part of the law to other parts of the law and different business setting and radio.
00:10:32.040 --> 00:10:40.140 Maureen Weisner: You know what Piques your curiosity who's tapping on your shoulder to say you know, this is something to pay attention to, and when the tapping gets harder and harder and you say wait a second.
00:10:40.380 --> 00:10:46.770 Maureen Weisner: I really do need to stop and pay attention to something else So where does that path lead me and for many clients will say.
00:10:47.430 --> 00:10:57.840 Maureen Weisner: This can be the bridge opportunity this can be the one off this can be the doesn't mean that your contract is for life, it doesn't mean that it's a death sentence it doesn't mean that it has to be forever.
00:10:58.170 --> 00:11:02.550 Maureen Weisner: There can be opportunity here, and if you're not feeling particularly inspired.
00:11:02.880 --> 00:11:07.890 Maureen Weisner: What can you be inspired about what can you learn how can you add to your professional profile.
00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:15.810 Maureen Weisner: to your CV to your resume, how can that make you more employable going forward, and how can that open up other doors with introductions.
00:11:16.110 --> 00:11:25.230 Maureen Weisner: Very often we've had clients who have been consultants for large organizations and as one of them said, you know, the only person that lives in my condominium is my cat.
00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:32.880 Maureen Weisner: Because i'm a road warrior not so true right now but that's what she had been doing for a number of years and in process learned.
00:11:33.300 --> 00:11:43.230 Maureen Weisner: About so many businesses so many opportunities, where she did not want to be in the future, where she could imagine herself being and, of course, one of those clients ultimately recruited her.
00:11:43.620 --> 00:11:49.830 Maureen Weisner: So that wasn't really her intention to begin with, she expected that she was going to learn a lot and stay with the company in a different role.
00:11:50.280 --> 00:11:58.680 Maureen Weisner: But found that wait here's something else, so let me pay attention to it, so the tap tap tapping on her shoulder made her pay for their attention and she was able to pivot.
00:12:00.510 --> 00:12:11.550 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I think that's such an important thing that concept of pivoting I mean, I know, for me, I feel very comfortable in my role as an attorney but the pandemic over 19.
00:12:12.690 --> 00:12:25.110 Eric Sarver, Esq.: caused me to get to give you a pause and consider the ways that I present because I was doing a lot of in person or presentations and workshops and panels and discussions.
00:12:25.410 --> 00:12:33.990 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And it's nice to go to a place and you're in front of a small audience, but when clover hit, we ought to find ways to be out there well how do I, you know i'm reaching connect with my clients and.
00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:39.390 Eric Sarver, Esq.: My colleagues and suddenly you know and so through a series of increased her video and.
00:12:40.020 --> 00:12:50.070 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Radio and such the found way to actually put in a plug photography to nyc which has been a really great station to hostess video podcast and a host of the show that goes with it.
00:12:50.460 --> 00:13:01.740 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I think what you said about the the pivot and the bridge and such really important like in these times for other people listening because, whether you're a business owner.
00:13:02.370 --> 00:13:13.200 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Or maybe you've been laid off and applying for new jobs and with this pandemic comes changing and a lot of starts and stops and a lot of economic.
00:13:14.100 --> 00:13:22.710 Eric Sarver, Esq.: twists and turns and so people might be going into sort of a bridge situation, maybe it's a business that's taking on a new idea type of service, have been everything before.
00:13:23.010 --> 00:13:29.010 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Maybe it's an employee looking for jobs, you know to your point, maybe they're not in their field of banking maybe they're doing something completely different.
00:13:29.280 --> 00:13:36.690 Eric Sarver, Esq.: which might turn into an opportunity that they never thought of before, so I think those are all really good points to.
00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:51.390 Eric Sarver, Esq.: to inspire audience that you're out there and you're unsure what's happening with your business or if you're in between jobs to just trust that whatever whatever you do it's not a waste of time it's, not even if it's not your a dream goal dream job.
00:13:52.890 --> 00:13:57.630 Maureen Weisner: Well it's true when people talk about their dream job the advice generally is.
00:13:58.140 --> 00:14:06.690 Maureen Weisner: You know, things aren't always the way they seem and what you can pull out of it and how you can contribute is just as important as what you're getting from something.
00:14:07.110 --> 00:14:13.380 Maureen Weisner: So, how does that make you an author, in the future, how does that prepare you for another industry How does that take you.
00:14:13.680 --> 00:14:22.230 Maureen Weisner: From this place of curiosity, how can you make the best effort wherever you are with learning, but once we stagnate and it's it's.
00:14:22.650 --> 00:14:28.890 Maureen Weisner: You know it's unsettling for people right now to be out of their comfort zone, just as you say, if you go to the supermarket you'll see people.
00:14:29.250 --> 00:14:38.100 Maureen Weisner: Now, who have almost cross through this invisible barrier where they're in pajamas and they're out in some ways, where you think you wouldn't go to the mailbox like that.
00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:50.610 Maureen Weisner: A year and a half ago now suddenly you're in public, because the there, there is this work life integration that's suddenly has become so integrated that people can't differentiate.
00:14:51.300 --> 00:15:01.320 Maureen Weisner: One thing that I did learn and we talked about this before, is that credibility is at the top of the list so wherever you are credibility is important and.
00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:16.170 Maureen Weisner: If you think about this statistics, and this is on a post it that I keep on my desk 55% means that people judge you by the way, how you look 38% is how you sound and only 7% is what you say, so when we think about presence.
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00:15:17.730 --> 00:15:23.100 Eric Sarver, Esq.: i'm sorry, forgive me on that note we're a little over a commercial rate time I thought that might be a good segue.
00:15:23.370 --> 00:15:23.610 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I didn't.
00:15:23.790 --> 00:15:25.620 Eric Sarver, Esq.: interrupt you there, I just want to make sure we get to her.
00:15:25.680 --> 00:15:27.510 Eric Sarver, Esq.: will pick on it's just so yeah so on that.
00:15:27.690 --> 00:15:36.270 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Note let's circle back to that after the commercials you're listening to employment law today with my guests marine weisner America savoured stick around we'll be right back.
00:18:33.300 --> 00:18:43.350 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome back to employment law today i'm your host erick solver here with my guest tonight marine weisner co founder of kickstart your transition and we're talking about.
00:18:44.040 --> 00:18:53.070 Eric Sarver, Esq.: This this topic of professional presentation, particularly now, and during the pandemic and so before the commercial break marine was describing.
00:18:53.730 --> 00:19:02.760 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Some observations around the pandemic and I think two interesting points that you made marine one about how people are sort of blending they're at home and work.
00:19:03.450 --> 00:19:11.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: sort of appearance, for lack of better term and where, as people were going out and say pajamas up and said they might have done.
00:19:12.840 --> 00:19:25.830 Eric Sarver, Esq.: In 13 months ago, but because they're so used to being home it's hard to sort of shift gears and get dressed for work, and that was something I heard you say to some extent, and also talking about this.
00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.490 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The reason why it's so important to have that appearance as.
00:19:29.970 --> 00:19:42.210 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know, Marina much the interesting, I think it was that statistic around how like 55% of what you say, I think, is based on looks if I wrote correctly and 38% of how you how you sound and then 7% the actual content.
00:19:42.990 --> 00:19:56.700 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So I wanted to ask you a question about that, during the pandemic, I was wondering what has been your approach philosophy and helping employees and business owners with their professional image during the pandemic.
00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:04.440 Maureen Weisner: Well, I think you raise number of good points Eric I think one is that there's a lot of anxiety now for people who were in this hybrid situation where.
00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:19.440 Maureen Weisner: Not everyone is if you've been working from home you've been either very casual and we talked about this don't slouch on the couch you, you need to be upright and in fact there's there's a dress manufacturer it's called a nap dressed.
00:20:20.010 --> 00:20:26.040 Maureen Weisner: And she's been doing millions in business, and this is this is to the extent that it's so casual you can.
00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:34.890 Maureen Weisner: wear this appear that you know from the waist up your someone professional and then you can sort of tip over and take a nap so there's there's this real sense of.
00:20:35.250 --> 00:20:45.360 Maureen Weisner: Being are you are you working or are you are you at home and for many people, the distinction has blurred so dramatically that getting back to.
00:20:45.630 --> 00:20:54.360 Maureen Weisner: A work presence and now I just read a statistic that there's been the average American has gained 29 pounds 29 pounds during.
00:20:54.630 --> 00:21:04.710 Maureen Weisner: coven so that means that getting back into workload is going to be an issue that means are you uncomfortable with your appearance and what do you need to do a bad unfortunately the weather is changing so.
00:21:04.950 --> 00:21:15.810 Maureen Weisner: For those of us in the northeast we can be outside but there's a lot of anxiety about this working from home, in particular, and how did those people settle into having a background that makes sense.
00:21:16.080 --> 00:21:23.460 Maureen Weisner: Looking professional not moving and we talked about this previously if you're somebody who, and we have one client who likes to sit on a roller ball.
00:21:23.760 --> 00:21:27.750 Maureen Weisner: And that's how she does her work and we said well you know that's wonderful and that's.
00:21:27.990 --> 00:21:36.000 Maureen Weisner: Very good, for your back, I assume, but it's very distracting if you're talking to clients or employees or you're interviewing.
00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:44.370 Maureen Weisner: So when you're in process it's important to see take notice of what's in front of you how you appear you don't have to look like you walked off their cover of a magazine.
00:21:44.700 --> 00:21:58.860 Maureen Weisner: But grooming makes a difference we don't want to look like we rolled out of bed what it looks like we're prepared because, again, the exterior is very much a reflection of the interior when everything looks like you just jumped out of the clothes dryer.
00:21:59.490 --> 00:22:05.550 Maureen Weisner: it's not it's it's not it's impactful in a way that it's delivering a message that you probably don't want to deliver.
00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:15.930 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I imagine this must have been a really big issue for you and your clients again be a candidate for jobs, be a business owners might be looking to Polish.
00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:24.720 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Your appearance when they put our presentations when they meet with clients when they have investors I imagined during the pandemic because.
00:22:25.590 --> 00:22:33.870 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think a lot of things you just said, you know marine that I heard you talk about people might be more mindful of those different aspects, how they dress how they look.
00:22:34.380 --> 00:22:41.970 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The posture is proper other clothes freshly dry clean iron when we were all commuting and working and showing up places.
00:22:42.390 --> 00:22:51.780 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I have some clients who are in dry cleaning business and they were very busy until last year, and now they hardly get any customers, because people are.
00:22:52.080 --> 00:22:58.800 Eric Sarver, Esq.: working from home or they'd offer working in sweatpants or not they put on a button shirt for an hour and then take it off and wear a T shirt so.
00:22:59.280 --> 00:23:10.980 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think it's interesting to note that these these image attempts around like dress appearance it's I don't what I hear coming from wrong but is that these might not be so much new.
00:23:11.490 --> 00:23:23.580 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Aspects of presentation, but they become sort of a funnel people's direct conscious radar because we're so used to being at home and and sort of phoning it in literally.
00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:32.970 Maureen Weisner: Absolutely well said Eric and if you have children at home, who have not been back in school full time and you may have.
00:23:33.270 --> 00:23:35.340 Maureen Weisner: a partner who is also working from home.
00:23:35.610 --> 00:23:44.520 Maureen Weisner: The dynamics of being in that situation you're very challenging you've got a lot of overlap you don't have the distance the space is not available people don't have that sense of privacy and.
00:23:44.730 --> 00:23:50.550 Maureen Weisner: Where they can compartmentalize much more easily but getting back to my client on the roller ball one of what we said to her was.
00:23:50.850 --> 00:23:59.580 Maureen Weisner: sit in a chair, something that has four legs so even though that seems very logical that's her level of comfort and for people who like to spin it's the same thing.
00:23:59.760 --> 00:24:05.310 Maureen Weisner: We want to be stationary want to be able to look at the camera we don't want to look down we don't want to look up, we want to make sure.
00:24:05.580 --> 00:24:10.920 Maureen Weisner: That your laptop is at a level that makes sense, you want to practice mock interviews are important.
00:24:11.250 --> 00:24:22.020 Maureen Weisner: practicing with a friend, with a family member all of these things are important when it comes to interviewing when it comes to making your presentation we forgotten what it takes.
00:24:22.410 --> 00:24:25.710 Maureen Weisner: If we're not brainstorming in an environment where we're one on one.
00:24:26.010 --> 00:24:37.620 Maureen Weisner: Where we're in a large group we're now selling differently, where we're interacting differently, we make these incremental adjustments and we're not so aware of it, but when we are it makes a huge difference.
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:53.520 Maureen Weisner: Our voice intonation whether you slow down, whether you pause whether you think you have to answer every question immediately or you can take that question and pause consider it and then process, but as an eye opener.
00:24:54.480 --> 00:25:05.040 Maureen Weisner: eye contact very important Derek we know for looking at the camera it's different than gazing up or gazing left or right because it doesn't inform the person or persons that you're on a call with.
00:25:05.340 --> 00:25:13.620 Maureen Weisner: Imagine you're on a call with 30 people and you've got a screen full, you know how many people go to they turn their video off where they're looking at something else.
00:25:13.830 --> 00:25:19.710 Maureen Weisner: You know that they're not attending to what you're saying, and you can check out So how do you remain attentive.
00:25:20.100 --> 00:25:27.450 Maureen Weisner: How you remain focused well the important part, I think, is preparation and we've talked about this Eric preparation preparation preparation.
00:25:27.780 --> 00:25:32.880 Maureen Weisner: One one important person that I love I love to quote and we talked about this a little bit amy Cuddy.
00:25:33.270 --> 00:25:45.930 Maureen Weisner: And she is the Ted talk person she's written a wonderful book its presence, bringing your boldest self to your biggest challenge so she talks about the influence of the body and how we take in.
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:52.950 Maureen Weisner: Our power in that way, so two points, one is that when we're anxious cortisol levels increase.
00:25:53.340 --> 00:26:02.880 Maureen Weisner: exponentially and testosterone levels decrease, now we don't want to say that this is gender bias, but let's park that for a second and say how can we feel more.
00:26:03.360 --> 00:26:12.750 Maureen Weisner: comfortable happily feel more powerful when we are in person for any interview it's very important from the person who you greet at the.
00:26:13.050 --> 00:26:19.320 Maureen Weisner: Reception desk if there's an elevator people are observing you if it's a small building they see when you come out of your car, perhaps.
00:26:19.830 --> 00:26:28.410 Maureen Weisner: And it doesn't mean that you're under a microscope, but it does mean that getting yourself together and prepared, if you have the opportunity now to being in person is really important.
00:26:28.650 --> 00:26:36.960 Maureen Weisner: You can do the power pose that amy Cuddy talks about which is similar to a yoga pose but its arms up and your feet planted firmly.
00:26:37.560 --> 00:26:46.110 Maureen Weisner: If you have the opportunity to do it beforehand get into a restroom close the stall door and do it practice, always a good thing.
00:26:46.470 --> 00:26:49.980 Maureen Weisner: Now here's another great tip I love this I always use these when they travel.
00:26:50.310 --> 00:26:57.300 Maureen Weisner: Their little mini toothbrushes and people minimize this so instead of breath mints which can or cannot work.
00:26:57.540 --> 00:27:04.230 Maureen Weisner: You want to make sure that when you're in a restroom it's possible You can check out with your appearances take care of that whether you've eaten beforehand and so forth.
00:27:04.650 --> 00:27:15.000 Maureen Weisner: You want to make sure that you greet the person who's near security who's at the elevator the reception is properly that you have your resume that you have a hard copy of your resume if this is an opportunity for in person.
00:27:15.690 --> 00:27:24.330 Maureen Weisner: If it's not in person, you can still make sure that you're properly groomed and that you're pausing that you're speaking slowly that you take a breath.
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:34.470 Maureen Weisner: that these are all eye openers for us individually and how we interact with clients potential buyers potential clients prospective employers.
00:27:34.770 --> 00:27:44.280 Maureen Weisner: We meet people every day all day whether it's on a zoom call or in person, whether you're getting gas at the local gas station, whether you're at the supermarket we're always meeting someone.
00:27:45.780 --> 00:27:55.200 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Yes, I really too early, and I think and what you're saying is really helpful to note in light of the fact that we are transitioning in this pandemic back.
00:27:55.560 --> 00:28:07.620 Eric Sarver, Esq.: At least in many sectors of the industry that i've seen in industries where sectors sort of segue more back more into a in person in person scenario situation.
00:28:08.310 --> 00:28:19.110 Eric Sarver, Esq.: People are going back into the offices, people are meeting with investors in person, as opposed to over zoom, but we still have some sort of a remote hybrid presence here so.
00:28:19.410 --> 00:28:26.610 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Really, the point I think is well taken about how, when people are are in public, because they going into an in person meeting.
00:28:26.970 --> 00:28:35.100 Eric Sarver, Esq.: We may have forgotten that we are being observed when we're in the waiting room, we are being observed when we're at the elevator and I want to come back to those points we have a.
00:28:35.820 --> 00:28:45.510 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Stop for a commercial break in just a moment, so I will say that you are if you're watching home tonight are listening you're listening to employment law today.
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:51.930 Eric Sarver, Esq.: i'm your host erick software i'm here with my special encore gas because she was truly so enlightening I mean this sincerely.
00:28:52.770 --> 00:29:03.270 Eric Sarver, Esq.: A couple months back, I wanted to bring you back for this transition period marine weisner from kickstart your transition so everyone just stick around we'll be right back with more from marine.
00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:03.840 Thank you.
00:29:04.860 --> 00:29:05.160 Maureen Weisner: Thank you.
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:58.800 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome back to employment law today I am your host erick savoured from the law firm Eric i'm solver and i'm employment law business law attorney that.
00:31:59.190 --> 00:32:08.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Does this podcast every Tuesday night at 5pm So if you like, what you're hearing and you're a business owner or entrepreneur, and you want to learn more about how to.
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00:32:14.730 --> 00:32:20.400 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So, Marina an interesting point when we left off, and I think it goes, maybe, hand in hand with your.
00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:27.420 Eric Sarver, Esq.: earlier point about preparation being King preparation review practice, you talked about mock interviews and.
00:32:27.750 --> 00:32:39.600 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I can see how that'd be great for candidates, and I can also see how a mock practice run whether it's giving a pitch to an investor or like i'm an attorney so practicing an opening statement or.
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:49.500 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Closing arguments or points for an arbitration to make an order in those type of situations can be really helpful and i'm wondering when you do mock interviews with your clients.
00:32:50.370 --> 00:32:58.170 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Are there any any things that have jumped out to your clients at the most surprising like I didn't see that or oh I realized this is something I need to work on or.
00:32:59.010 --> 00:33:03.960 Maureen Weisner: what's it it's it's interesting that you point that out Eric because people are continually surprised.
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:10.200 Maureen Weisner: With what comes up and you're thinking wow that's pretty basic one thing is don't wing it don't wing it.
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:24.570 Maureen Weisner: And do all the research that you need to do about the company in advance, this is not the time to ask questions about the company, there may be something about a particular project that's interesting or a route that they may be taking or how do they.
00:33:25.110 --> 00:33:38.100 Maureen Weisner: measure up industry wise in terms of what their next steps are and so forth, but these are all future kinds of comments not tell me about how you operate so it's preparation and just to circle back to Ted talks in particular.
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:40.290 Maureen Weisner: Ted talks.
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:42.270 Maureen Weisner: 18 minutes.
00:33:43.560 --> 00:33:47.970 Maureen Weisner: The best Ted speakers practice 200 times.
00:33:49.050 --> 00:33:57.600 Maureen Weisner: So that's just a small piece of how important it is definitely don't wing it have bullet points available if you're doing if this is.
00:33:57.660 --> 00:33:58.500 Maureen Weisner: A remote.
00:33:58.860 --> 00:34:06.450 Maureen Weisner: interview the camera is in one place, but you have this sort of large Bulletin board that you can put posted on.
00:34:06.810 --> 00:34:15.750 Maureen Weisner: Around the periphery, if necessary, so those can be your bullets, you can look at it, so that will key when to those important points that you might have missed.
00:34:16.140 --> 00:34:20.850 Maureen Weisner: Most important, in preparation for any interview is to script out stories.
00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:32.910 Maureen Weisner: stories are memorable, we are very, very, very in tune to what I recall that that person and oh yes that's right that was related to something and then I can again relate to something else.
00:34:33.570 --> 00:34:41.040 Maureen Weisner: In mock interviews in particular it's always a success story, tell me about yourself that's very, very broad, so we want to narrow that down.
00:34:41.430 --> 00:34:48.750 Maureen Weisner: When we think about for a client to say Oh, my goodness, tell me about myself, where do I start you want to be prepared with that no one cares about you moment of birth.
00:34:49.080 --> 00:34:54.510 Maureen Weisner: you're talking you're thinking about a wonderful success story that you had the last organization that you were you worked.
00:34:54.720 --> 00:35:01.830 Maureen Weisner: Something that that really taps into the work that you project to be doing and what the job title is for what you're applying for.
00:35:02.100 --> 00:35:08.370 Maureen Weisner: understanding that and understanding what your great success story was how you got to that place that it was never a solo journey Eric.
00:35:08.580 --> 00:35:15.000 Maureen Weisner: We all know this it's a team effort, no matter what did you lead a team, where you can you lead from the back of the room, of course, you can.
00:35:15.330 --> 00:35:27.270 Maureen Weisner: What was your role turn it into dollars, what did you learn most admit what could you do better next time, likewise, if something did not work as well, and everybody wants to know, yes, where where did things go south.
00:35:27.630 --> 00:35:34.080 Maureen Weisner: And what happened, did you fall apart, how did you learn from that, what did you do what were the next steps.
00:35:34.470 --> 00:35:46.200 Maureen Weisner: If you win direction a How would you do it differently was your budget on target, did you not do enough research, how would you have employed the skills that you have or have you done something different, like upscaling.
00:35:46.710 --> 00:35:54.600 Maureen Weisner: What I learned from this is, I needed more information around such and such so that I took a course or I read these books.
00:35:54.900 --> 00:36:03.210 Maureen Weisner: or I learned something in a way that I knew I would be better prepared to contribute, the next time, and I would make a difference in in a more material way.
00:36:04.020 --> 00:36:09.690 Maureen Weisner: So, for the most part, when there is silly questions and let's face it Eric not every interviewer is a professional.
00:36:10.230 --> 00:36:16.860 Maureen Weisner: Not every person in HR is, but you have to get through there's there's an order you're going to have phone interviews.
00:36:17.100 --> 00:36:23.460 Maureen Weisner: Your be probably that those are preliminary before it gets to anything else and, hopefully, these will all turn into something more than that.
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:31.830 Maureen Weisner: For mock interviews you want to know if the job title is, of course, you want to do research online, to see what you need to know about the company what the salary ranges.
00:36:33.210 --> 00:36:39.990 Maureen Weisner: don't ask about benefits that's not a good idea, you can find that added an offer letter you can find that, as we move along.
00:36:40.290 --> 00:36:46.230 Maureen Weisner: But we want to know what is it you know where where do I stand in is what is, what is this equal was it CFO here.
00:36:46.530 --> 00:36:54.330 Maureen Weisner: Instead of a director of finance here does what's the difference and this research it's wonderful the Internet gives us all sorts of information.
00:36:54.840 --> 00:37:07.080 Maureen Weisner: linkedin likewise go to linkedin find out who do you know is connected to someone who works at that company or can make an introduction, or can fill you in So what will you try to avoid or surprises.
00:37:07.560 --> 00:37:14.340 Maureen Weisner: As far as mock interviews go and, as far as practicing practice in the mirror it's disconcerting to begin with.
00:37:14.580 --> 00:37:23.340 Maureen Weisner: But it's a great way to see where your tix are whether you use your hands too much or not enough whether you're moving a lot, whether you have a presence.
00:37:23.610 --> 00:37:30.780 Maureen Weisner: That just signifies to me as an interviewer or as a purchaser of your services or as you're saying if you're pitching.
00:37:31.050 --> 00:37:36.030 Maureen Weisner: You want to know that you're getting someplace with this person, so you want to see how you're presenting.
00:37:36.390 --> 00:37:44.460 Maureen Weisner: And my professional do you have a partner or a friend who can do a mock interview with you, who can throw some curveballs and see how you react.
00:37:44.910 --> 00:37:59.160 Maureen Weisner: Or you reflective or just responsive, do you stop do you pause do you gather yourself and think about that's a great question or, can you tell me more about that i'm not certain that I understand exactly what you asked of me.
00:37:59.580 --> 00:38:09.570 Maureen Weisner: there's nothing wrong with doing that we had one client who said that's how she went down the rabbit hole because she was answering something and felt that she was completely out of her out of her comfort zone, and she was.
00:38:10.950 --> 00:38:21.570 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Yes, I mean really I think something you said, there are a lot of good things first off, thank you for that really in depth answer and really some specific some really meaty.
00:38:22.650 --> 00:38:33.360 Eric Sarver, Esq.: details of how you do mock interviews how you help your clients and you're right these tips can really help our listeners tonight in might be in between jobs during this pandemic might be reapplying places.
00:38:34.110 --> 00:38:44.100 Eric Sarver, Esq.: It can help our listeners tonight who are themselves employers and maybe they're maybe they're actually nervous during interviews and need to work on their interviewing skills right to attract the talent.
00:38:44.520 --> 00:38:51.270 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Maybe they're pitching to their clients and new service they have maybe they're nervous about the first welcome back meeting have a team of 20 people.
00:38:51.540 --> 00:38:58.590 Eric Sarver, Esq.: that they have to now stand in front of and say hey you know, welcome to the office so it's really great you know, and I think this is like such an.
00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:07.740 Eric Sarver, Esq.: important topics i'm glad you're we're discussing it them what jumped out at me if I may, or a few points to one another, you talked about the idea that.
00:39:08.190 --> 00:39:16.320 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You can turn say a quote unquote failure or maybe, just like say a stumbling block in your story in an interview.
00:39:16.620 --> 00:39:26.610 Eric Sarver, Esq.: into a positive by saying dodging maybe where you may have made some mistakes, where you're sort of like where you saw from paraphrasing here correctly i'm where you saw where you had arrived.
00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:38.430 Eric Sarver, Esq.: What you learn from it, how you do differently this time, I think, knowing, I think, knowing that that can be something you do, or even perhaps or to do, can help to.
00:39:39.210 --> 00:39:46.770 Eric Sarver, Esq.: alleviate the anxiety, the way it's like taking like just taking a deep breath, because I think a lot of people go into situations where they have to speak.
00:39:47.160 --> 00:39:52.890 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And they're in their mind and rehearsing or worried about the quote unquote failure of the quote unquote you know misstep.
00:39:53.220 --> 00:39:58.620 Eric Sarver, Esq.: That they're afraid it's going to be exposed or uncovered you know, like so I see in resume you weren't the only four months at this place.
00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:04.500 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And to come in, or to go in as owning that as your strength to say yes, this was not what am I.
00:40:04.890 --> 00:40:10.440 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know better successes here's what I learned from it here's why i'm grateful that this happened because it got me to this.
00:40:10.770 --> 00:40:21.750 Eric Sarver, Esq.: place where i'm now sitting here in front of you or something to that effect, I just think that was really powerful and you know i've interviewed like different coaches like over the last you know, six months as.
00:40:22.200 --> 00:40:34.920 Eric Sarver, Esq.: guests in the show, and I think it's where the first time i'm hearing someone like yourself give that as a tip so it's really good I hope our listeners can own that take it in you know if you've made a mistake and it's going to come out and interview.
00:40:36.180 --> 00:40:39.270 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know spin it into a positive, because we all make mistakes we're all humans.
00:40:39.330 --> 00:40:40.200 Maureen Weisner: We do own it.
00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:49.350 Maureen Weisner: I you make a great point Eric and that's when we're trying to tiptoe around something and i've waited it creates greater anxiety and we know that they know that you know, everybody in the room, knows.
00:40:49.620 --> 00:40:54.720 Maureen Weisner: So why not address it and let's get it out of the way and how can we, how can we take this and really.
00:40:54.960 --> 00:41:02.100 Maureen Weisner: Really truly own it as a learning experience because we've all had failures we've all had flaming failures and and those people that run from it.
00:41:02.310 --> 00:41:08.640 Maureen Weisner: Very different than the person who owns it and says, you know here's here's something I could have done better at the time I didn't have enough information.
00:41:08.940 --> 00:41:15.240 Maureen Weisner: And I went down this road, I could have done done better if I had enlisted more help at the time, I could have done better if.
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:24.960 Maureen Weisner: fill in the blanks, and this is what I learned, so this is to me as a candidate, this is somebody who's curious, this is somebody who's powerful this is somebody I want to learn more about.
00:41:25.230 --> 00:41:30.900 Maureen Weisner: And what I want to learn more about you, then, that opens up the conversation for other places, how would you handle this.
00:41:31.230 --> 00:41:35.550 Maureen Weisner: What would it feel like if such and such happened, how would you manage other people.
00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:41.040 Maureen Weisner: And if you're pitching something you don't want to feel like you're working like eggs, you want to feel that there's a connection.
00:41:41.310 --> 00:41:55.710 Maureen Weisner: to whoever it is that you are selling to buying from possibly employing any of those places, but even Eric, for the simple whether it's a toast whether it's your personal life your professional life practice.
00:41:56.130 --> 00:42:04.470 Maureen Weisner: Practice in the car practice in the shower practice when you can just get it out there and for anyone who's doing a program I always suggest.
00:42:05.610 --> 00:42:13.260 Maureen Weisner: Practice the clothes practice the beginning and then practice the middle, so that you really having your brain it's programmed into.
00:42:13.740 --> 00:42:21.210 Maureen Weisner: What I what I need to say how can I approach it and how like conclude, because we always want to finish to be just as good as powerful as the beginning.
00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:30.900 Maureen Weisner: Likewise candidates, how do you close because they're just thinking about Oh, you know i'm nervous, how do I get how do I sell myself and what does that look like.
00:42:32.130 --> 00:42:32.580 Eric Sarver, Esq.: hmm.
00:42:33.690 --> 00:42:42.630 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So they get points to emory yes, I mean, and the more you practice something, the more the easier it is to access it to access it rather bring it up, yes.
00:42:44.040 --> 00:42:50.310 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right, because when you're nervous sometimes when you're feeling anxiety and now with this coven pandemic with transitions.
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:56.460 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I imagine that every person, you know who is going back on a train going into the city.
00:42:56.790 --> 00:43:05.430 Eric Sarver, Esq.: getting used to say, a new comedian schedule seeing their colleagues, the first time somebody feeling self conscious about you mentioned weight gain just being on public again.
00:43:05.940 --> 00:43:15.660 Eric Sarver, Esq.: That anxiety kicks in, and if you have to give a presentation, if you practice enough, even if you're nervous it'll be easier to recall and bring it up, then, if you were not.
00:43:15.780 --> 00:43:24.720 Maureen Weisner: Absolutely it's it's muscle memory it's it's again you create that pathway, so that you have the language out there, and you may miss a beat, which is why we don't suggest memorizing anything.
00:43:25.050 --> 00:43:30.750 Maureen Weisner: But it's really understanding and feeling what is that I want to communicate if I stumble over a word it's not the end of the world.
00:43:30.990 --> 00:43:35.520 Maureen Weisner: But I want to be able to regain I want to see if there's somebody in the room, I can make eye contact with.
00:43:35.850 --> 00:43:42.510 Maureen Weisner: Who, I can see there's a friendly face I can connect with that person we're deeply and I can share my message with that person.
00:43:42.780 --> 00:43:52.950 Maureen Weisner: So that that's a whole other conversation bad anxiety, but one thing that's really important Eric and women, sometimes hate to hear this because, again, it sounds sexist but smiling is really important.
00:43:53.580 --> 00:44:01.470 Maureen Weisner: If you can smile and you're creating connection whether it's the the uber driver or whether it's the person at the front desk.
00:44:02.130 --> 00:44:12.390 Maureen Weisner: receptionist is very important key when you walk in anywhere, we know this, these are the gatekeepers so you want to make sure that you have good eye contact it's you don't have to bring up you know flowers and chocolate what you're.
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:26.340 Maureen Weisner: Looking at here is how I can present probably how I can show that I am connected that I might be somebody who could be on a team in this space, working with these people and contribute in a positive way and i'd be happy to see you.
00:44:28.890 --> 00:44:38.460 Eric Sarver, Esq.: All really good points, Marina that I really I think this is all really great information great conversation all connects we have another commercial break but we'll be back.
00:44:39.240 --> 00:44:48.540 Eric Sarver, Esq.: i'm here with Eric Sabra from lot today i'm here with my guest marine wiser on talk radio nyc so stick around and we'll be right back.
00:47:04.350 --> 00:47:14.010 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome back to employment law today i'm your host erick solver here with my guest tonight marine weisner co founder and managing partner of kickstart your transition.
00:47:14.940 --> 00:47:25.080 Eric Sarver, Esq.: we're talking about some Greens tips for fashion appearance and presentation with rewires neural for those who may have joined the sleep Marina has given us some great tips about.
00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:39.540 Eric Sarver, Esq.: First observations first, if you will, about some of the challenges people face during the pandemic and the heightened anxiety around appearance and the awkwardness of being virtual and then Maria had some great tips around that regarding, for example, you're.
00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:50.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: sitting in a stationary chair practicing number of tips around that and one thing I liked that you said marine which I didn't mention earlier, but it really struck me that.
00:47:50.910 --> 00:47:59.910 Eric Sarver, Esq.: While we have this somewhat of a quote unquote disadvantage of being virtual there are some advantages to the fact that you can use your screen.
00:48:00.180 --> 00:48:09.960 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And post over here, it says sit up straight or a poster that says, you can do it little post it note that you can bring in and put on the interviewers head or jacket, you know sitting across them in person.
00:48:11.250 --> 00:48:21.060 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So, speaking of sitting and presenting I wanted to ask you, you know we talked a little bit before the show about this, you mentioned how you, you mentioned power poses.
00:48:22.200 --> 00:48:30.270 Eric Sarver, Esq.: poses that help you own your power, and you know one thing I remember when doing the show, so I have two microphones that alone is heats little high so it's easy to.
00:48:30.600 --> 00:48:43.500 Eric Sarver, Esq.: sort of slowly go towards the microphone gradually and then I have to look and see oh i'm over here, but I want to be over here, but can you so, can you take us through maybe a couple of power poses.
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:45.090 Maureen Weisner: That really helps people that.
00:48:46.170 --> 00:48:52.980 Maureen Weisner: Absolutely, and just to circle back with another point that you made Eric you know when when we when we get when we're anxious, or we.
00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:58.050 Maureen Weisner: Not even anxious when we get off off to a rocky start so, for example.
00:48:58.770 --> 00:49:03.870 Maureen Weisner: i'm not anxious and speaking, but I was muted, so does did that take me out of my game.
00:49:04.170 --> 00:49:18.690 Maureen Weisner: And you just brought me right back in so there's there was nothing and that's how we started, so if I allowed that to to inhibit me or say Oh, my goodness, what will the audience think he or she is she's a professional coach and she couldn't even see that she was muted.
00:49:19.710 --> 00:49:33.240 Maureen Weisner: habits habits is electronic it's not the end of the world, but as far as getting back into that space and owning this space, so that you do feel empowered so that you do feel again whether your testosterone is up and they they.
00:49:33.690 --> 00:49:39.840 Maureen Weisner: They couldn't absolutely prove that that was true by cortisol definitely decreases when you're able to take the power pose.
00:49:40.110 --> 00:49:56.700 Maureen Weisner: So I will be out of the screen if I did the full power pose, but it is a yoga warrior pose so you want your arms to be up and splayed out and your feet, to be planted firmly on the floor and just keep your chin up and look up and just take that in for a moment.
00:49:58.650 --> 00:50:02.910 Maureen Weisner: So that is one terrific who it's just it feels great.
00:50:03.150 --> 00:50:05.550 Maureen Weisner: And then the other is, if you have a desk.
00:50:05.550 --> 00:50:17.580 Maureen Weisner: Before you get on the call feet up and hands behind hands behind your head and you think wow I can do this I got it absolutely got it now when you're in person.
00:50:18.270 --> 00:50:27.090 Maureen Weisner: One of the things that we suggest to individuals who are coming into a room for a meeting is get there early be be early and leave late.
00:50:27.540 --> 00:50:37.890 Maureen Weisner: So that you get in on all of the possible networking that's that you can, and you can get a feel for what the temperature of the room is, and also to take up your space.
00:50:38.490 --> 00:50:40.290 Maureen Weisner: For many people, and women in particular.
00:50:41.070 --> 00:50:48.480 Maureen Weisner: more reluctant to take up a lot of space, but when you spread out when you just raise your shoulders and you spread out in automatically takes up more space.
00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:58.230 Maureen Weisner: So we want to be cognizant of how our bodies are in the room, how we stand, how we are and one great way to learn about this is improv classes.
00:50:58.680 --> 00:51:00.150 Maureen Weisner: If you have the opportunity to do in.
00:51:00.150 --> 00:51:09.150 Maureen Weisner: person terrific that will come back to, and it will, but right now, you can do it online and empowered classes, will give you the confidence to speak.
00:51:09.660 --> 00:51:19.350 Maureen Weisner: Very much off the cuff, to create and think about ideas to fail to succeed, to have something work with a partner or solo having ideas thrown at you.
00:51:19.560 --> 00:51:28.680 Maureen Weisner: it's it's like being in you know, in the fire in the middle of the fire and trying to figure out where I put the fire out or do I go with it, how am I feeling and my self conscious.
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:33.390 Maureen Weisner: it's the same thing as learning new things, we recommend to clients try something new, three times.
00:51:33.690 --> 00:51:40.230 Maureen Weisner: So there's time you're probably very uncomfortable whether it's ice skating or whether it's juggling or whether it's playing the violin.
00:51:40.530 --> 00:51:46.200 Maureen Weisner: First time you're very uncomfortable second time not so sure a third time to have a much better idea of whether I, like it or not.
00:51:46.560 --> 00:51:56.850 Maureen Weisner: But it takes a while to get through that space of being self conscious or embarrassed Am I good at this, am I judging myself will I ever be good at it well until you practice.
00:51:57.660 --> 00:52:04.710 Maureen Weisner: You practicing again never winging it by practice is really important practice makes permanent rather than perfect.
00:52:05.040 --> 00:52:12.570 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right, I like that, like that spin on that same because right no one's ever actually perfect and makes permanent it makes things more.
00:52:13.230 --> 00:52:20.340 Eric Sarver, Esq.: readily accessible it's more of a leeway and success and and those power poses a really something to just even the arms up you know it.
00:52:21.210 --> 00:52:26.820 Eric Sarver, Esq.: really does you know it's interesting when i'm about to get on a conference call stand up for the quarter the judge.
00:52:27.630 --> 00:52:36.960 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I try to sit up straight oh my space or stand up and sort of make the call from a standing position almost def i'm commanding are about to give a presentation.
00:52:37.830 --> 00:52:44.310 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I find the same thing as they were certain clients when you want to really, as you mentioned own your power own your space and a healthy way.
00:52:44.850 --> 00:52:57.150 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And you know you made an interesting point a while back about smiling, and I know I know you said that some women might hear that and and take it, the wrong way.
00:52:57.570 --> 00:53:06.600 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Because it could be in some different instances people have said that to women as if, like your goal is right, your job is to look pretty.
00:53:07.680 --> 00:53:14.970 Eric Sarver, Esq.: sort of take it, but I would I pay more is sort of smile to show that you're happy smile to get into happy space smile to.
00:53:15.510 --> 00:53:24.810 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Project and also sort of project to other than yourself that you are okay and and then you connect with other people in a mirror that back to you and that's the gist of the smile.
00:53:25.110 --> 00:53:31.890 Maureen Weisner: I think mirroring is very important, so that we we connect with people when we are we're moving closer into their space, but not too much into their space.
00:53:32.130 --> 00:53:38.310 Maureen Weisner: When we're mirroring we're doing the same motions that they're doing people connected better so that yes, and smiling, of course.
00:53:38.490 --> 00:53:44.610 Maureen Weisner: People respond typically if you're smiling at them, they typically respond with a smile so it's sort of it changes brain chemistry.
00:53:44.820 --> 00:53:51.120 Maureen Weisner: It changes the way we feel I feel a different connection to you if you're if you're you know, responding to me in a positive way.
00:53:51.390 --> 00:54:01.440 Maureen Weisner: So there are lots of cues that we engage in it we're not even aware of, but we want to know what our resting face looks like, which is why the mirror is good and if you're on a phone call.
00:54:01.770 --> 00:54:10.920 Maureen Weisner: it's good to have a mirror available so that you can see how you are looking, because that is also projected in the quality of your voice the pacing of what you're saying.
00:54:11.220 --> 00:54:25.260 Maureen Weisner: And the sense of Am I connecting with this person, am I smile broadly smile as broadly as you can when you're connecting to your mirror and see how that feels because it's generated the energy absolutely is through through the phone.
00:54:26.970 --> 00:54:40.890 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Absolutely we're all you know good point stammering and we've got about two minutes left, so I want to turn the floor over to you and let you just talk for a minute and a half or so about any upcoming event, you have, how do we contact you people will hire you can you.
00:54:41.520 --> 00:54:50.100 Maureen Weisner: Thank you Eric and I would like to read well so with one exercise that we didn't cover and that's that quickly anxiety, so if we think about three things that are.
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:56.970 Maureen Weisner: That we're grateful for just write it out and post it and leave that posted someplace overwhelmingly people will say it's.
00:54:57.390 --> 00:55:06.750 Maureen Weisner: it's friends family health, it might be a pet it might be a job, whatever it is, but if you put those three things it changes and you refer them it changes the brain chemistry.
00:55:07.170 --> 00:55:08.820 Maureen Weisner: With respect to what i'm doing.
00:55:09.030 --> 00:55:13.800 Maureen Weisner: My very excited I am going to be a panelist on Thursday the merrimack Valley.
00:55:14.130 --> 00:55:25.140 Maureen Weisner: women's conferences their inaugural conference so it's very exciting and Pam and I am on is finding your voice showing up authentic and unafraid so for again.
00:55:25.470 --> 00:55:31.920 Maureen Weisner: Professional women, in particular, how do you manage interruptions, how do you manage feeling invisible, how do you manage bullying.
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:41.520 Maureen Weisner: And all of those instances come from other women as well as from other men so it's not just a question of being sexist in terms of gender bias.
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:51.810 Maureen Weisner: It absolutely is it happens frequently where somebody will speak over you somebody will interrupt you can't get your thoughts out so it's how to manage that phrasing that works.
00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:59.040 Maureen Weisner: And how to how'd you get back in your power and get back into a space that works for you so that's going to start at.
00:55:59.310 --> 00:56:06.690 Maureen Weisner: 8am on Thursday we'll put something in the chat for the connection, and I think Eric I, provided that will full figure out how to make.
00:56:06.990 --> 00:56:19.800 Maureen Weisner: people more aware of it, you can reach me at kickstart your transition calm and, if you want to email me it's Maureen at kickstart your transition calm and we can talk, we can do a.
00:56:20.190 --> 00:56:36.900 Maureen Weisner: Quick call to find out how I can help you if our services are a match for you, and if we can help you strategize and move to the next level way the we're in the job search initially whether you need a resume or CV salary negotiation interview prep is a big piece of what we do.
00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:44.400 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Wonderful Thank you so much i'm really was a pleasure to have you on the show tonight and really great tips, for I guess.
00:56:44.910 --> 00:57:02.730 Eric Sarver, Esq.: folks, if you like, what you saw tonight and heard tune in Tuesday nights at 5pm to 6pm Eastern standard time here on talk radio nyc you can watch live on Facebook, or you can hear us on the show on this website i'm Eric solver have a wonderful night and read Thank you once again.
00:57:02.790 --> 00:57:03.870 Maureen Weisner: Everyone Thank you Eric.
00:57:03.990 --> 00:57:04.620 Maureen Weisner: Have a great night.