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Facebook Live Video from 2021/03/30 - East Harlem - Not The Part of Harlem You Probably Have Heard About

 
Facebook Live Video from 2021/03/30 - East Harlem - Not The Part of Harlem You Probably Have Heard About

 

2021/03/30 - East Harlem - Not The Part of Harlem You Probably Have Heard About

[NEW EPISODE] East Harlem - Not The Part of Harlem You Probably Have Heard About

On this week’s show we will visit East Harlem. My guests will be returning Rediscovering New York historian Kevin Draper, Director of New York Historical Tours; and Julio Valdez, Founder of JVS Project Space, which provides professional artists the opportunity to develop and present their work in the City.

Tune in for this fascinating conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.


Show Notes

Segment 1

Tonight we are going back to the island of Manhattan and visiting East Harlem The first guest is Kevin Draper. He is the Director of New York Historical Tours. Kevin. Is a respected historic consultant for media publications such as CBS ABC The New York Times. Kevin grew up on Long Island, And he went to school in New York and he’s just never left. Kevin always had a passion for New York history since he was five years old and when he got older he just decided to switch up his career and make his passion his career. During the 19 century is where East Harlem really started to take shape as they put in the railroad. As the neighborhood was first developing The businesses that you would see were restaurants and barrel making for The breweries. East Harlem gods name Late 19 century is when the local started calling It East Harlem. The communities that would move to East Harlem in the 19th century were Irish, Jewish, and Italian and German.He’s tall and became a model for urban living during those times.

Segment 2

Covid has really affected a lot of businesses but thankfully Kevin has reinstated his tours If you go to his website NewYorkhistoricaltors.com all the tours that are listed are now available. They are available as private tours. Meaning that it’ll just be you .East Harlem was the original Little Italy. East Harlem has a rich histories of Italians and Patty’s is one of the most famous restaurants in New York opened up in the 1930s. Was also home to a lot of organized crime, such as The blackhand. They would scare people into extortion and that was really the beginning of the Mafia

Segment 3

Our second guest on tonight's show is Julio Valdez. Julio was born in Santo Domingo, The Dominican Republic. He’s a painter, a printmaker teacher, and an installation artist. has exhibited internationally since 1984. This training and print making an oil painting in New York and in the Dominican Republic. Julio studied in the national school of fine arts in the Dominican Republic from 1984 to 1986. He founded the Julio Valdez Studio. specializes in. Nontoxic contemporary printmaking. He's had 31 printmaking exhibitions most recently In 2020 at June Kelly’s Gallery in Soho. Julia was always interested in it but decided to really take it seriously when he was 15. His father had passed away but right before his passing he set up Oil painting classes for Julio. He was Offered the fellowship for a year in New York and just built a life here.

Segment 4

Julio has a studio in East Harlem. Originally his first year was in the Lower Eastside. He became unhappy there because he felt like it was very pretentious and it was at home to real artists. I felt that Estar warm was home to a larger Latino community. and East Harlem brought that flavor and feel of culture that he was missing.


Transcript

00:00:37.170 --> 00:00:46.410 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone, welcome to our listeners in the big apple from across the US and around the world i'm Jeff Goodman, and this is rediscovering New York.

00:00:47.190 --> 00:00:52.380 Jeff Goodman: professionally i'm a real estate broker with brown Harris Stevens, but our show is not about real estate.

00:00:53.040 --> 00:00:58.200 Jeff Goodman: rediscovering New York as a weekly program about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city.

00:00:59.070 --> 00:01:08.280 Jeff Goodman: And we do it through interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists artists and musicians and the occasional elected official.

00:01:09.150 --> 00:01:18.540 Jeff Goodman: On some shows like tonight's we focus on an individual New York neighborhood we explore its history and its current energy what makes that particular New York neighborhood special.

00:01:19.470 --> 00:01:26.790 Jeff Goodman: and on some shows we host topics about an interesting and vital color the city in its history that's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:36.840 Jeff Goodman: i'm prior episodes we've covered topics a diverse and eliminating as American presidents who came from lived in or who had some interesting history here in New York, about half of them believe it or not.

00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:43.590 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the history of women activists in the suffrage movement we've looked at the history of different immigrant communities.

00:01:44.220 --> 00:01:51.120 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the history of the city's LGBT community and the gay rights movement we've explored the history of bicycles and cycling.

00:01:51.660 --> 00:01:56.130 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the history of punk and opera in the city, those were those were separate shows, by the way.

00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:06.930 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at our public library systems we have three of them, we visited the subway and it's public art, we visited some of our greatest train stations and even some of our bridges.

00:02:07.860 --> 00:02:16.410 Jeff Goodman: After the broadcast you can catch each show on podcasts were on apple spotify Amazon podcasts stitcher Google podcasts and other services.

00:02:17.040 --> 00:02:26.430 Jeff Goodman: Tonight we are going back to the island of Manhattan and visiting a very special neighborhood one it's also special because I happen to live in it it's East Harlem.

00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:40.020 Jeff Goodman: My first guest is a returning guest to rediscovering New York he's Kevin draper Kevin is a sought after New York historian and co founder of New York historical TOR TOR tours excuse me.

00:02:41.220 --> 00:02:50.160 Jeff Goodman: kevin's an impassioned native new yorker the activity brings to life the incredible and inspiring stories that have made New York, the most exciting and influential city in the world.

00:02:50.880 --> 00:02:57.210 Jeff Goodman: For over 10 years Kevin has produced top rated first class tours and New York experience to locals and visitors from all over the globe.

00:02:58.050 --> 00:03:09.240 Jeff Goodman: Is dynamic, knowledge, professionalism and gift storytelling have awarded him consistent five star reviews Tripadvisor certificate of excellence, year after year, and when the accolades of the most discriminating clientele.

00:03:10.320 --> 00:03:14.760 Jeff Goodman: Kevin has led historical talks and lectures for top universities and fortune 500 companies.

00:03:15.210 --> 00:03:28.230 Jeff Goodman: And he's a respected historical consultant for major media and publications, including CBS ABC Bloomberg the New York Times, and the Wall Street Journal Kevin draper a hearty welcome back to rediscovering New York.

00:03:28.920 --> 00:03:32.790 Kevin Draper: Yes, and thank you and it's great to hear you and see her actually.

00:03:33.150 --> 00:03:49.860 Jeff Goodman: Again, yes, yes and Kevin is broadcasting from his very special studio in his automobile tonight, but it's great it's soundproof and we can see him clear and clear loud and clear YES Kevin you are a native new yorker what part of the area, did you grow up and.

00:03:50.940 --> 00:04:02.160 Kevin Draper: So originally on when I was a kid long islands, but I was only about 45 minutes away so most of us consider that part of New York City it's just better, but I grew up in a little islands parents or grandparents.

00:04:03.150 --> 00:04:10.710 Kevin Draper: Were from the city and I went to college in New York and I never left, so I pretty much been here my entire adult life.

00:04:12.030 --> 00:04:21.840 Jeff Goodman: You have a great business and a great passion, how did you get into the business of illuminating and entertaining new Yorkers about our neighborhoods and about our history.

00:04:23.220 --> 00:04:31.260 Kevin Draper: Well, literally from when I was about five years old and my parents would bring me into the city going to museums and seeing the tourist attractions, and doing things in the city.

00:04:32.700 --> 00:04:40.320 Kevin Draper: Soon, as I was able to read, I always had a fascination with New York so literally when I was five years old, six years old, I started reading about New York so it's always been a passion.

00:04:40.830 --> 00:04:52.530 Kevin Draper: learning about the history of New York as an adult I was going down a completely different career path and to make a long story short, it really dawned on you can always hear people say you know.

00:04:53.730 --> 00:05:00.300 Kevin Draper: You should really be great thing in life is you can make a living what your passion is what you're truly enjoy and that's when I realized wow you know.

00:05:00.840 --> 00:05:13.740 Kevin Draper: If there's one thing I can fantasize about doing it'd be to be a New York City historian and be able to live it talk it work it making that my career and that's what I did and that's what i've been doing now for almost 20 years.

00:05:15.390 --> 00:05:25.170 Jeff Goodman: Later we our second guest is nodding his head, because he too is incredibly passionate and loves what he does and we're going to talk with him in a bit East Harlem.

00:05:26.520 --> 00:05:32.520 Jeff Goodman: I think if you asked a large group of people who are not from New York, and I would include people outside the United States Kevin.

00:05:32.910 --> 00:05:38.130 Jeff Goodman: Most people would have heard of Harlem, but I think far fewer of them would have heard of East Harlem.

00:05:39.150 --> 00:05:42.870 Jeff Goodman: First, what are the boundaries of East Harlem is distinct from from Harlem.

00:05:44.220 --> 00:05:52.020 Kevin Draper: So, for the most part, most people would you would look at it, you would say pretty much from about 96 straight on the east side of Manhattan.

00:05:52.770 --> 00:05:57.000 Kevin Draper: From basically the River the East river, all the way over to about fifth avenue.

00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:07.170 Kevin Draper: And directly North from there, because the island kind of curves up at a point so pretty much were first avenue ends and second avenue in third avenue where those.

00:06:07.530 --> 00:06:16.890 Kevin Draper: avenues ends so that's the area that we're talking about it's a pretty good good sized area, but again, it goes basically from the River all the way over to fifth avenue.

00:06:17.940 --> 00:06:30.450 Jeff Goodman: Like a lot of Manhattan it was pastor and then it became farmland um the Dutch settled Harlem but which was more in central Harlem with their with their Dutch settlers and farmers in the neighborhood that would become East Harlem.

00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:36.750 Kevin Draper: Not for the most part they were little more centralized be more like central Harlem.

00:06:37.230 --> 00:06:47.220 Kevin Draper: um because the the River front, which would be lonely forever basically that would start slowly to be developed more like a states at some point.

00:06:47.700 --> 00:07:02.910 Kevin Draper: um so mostly central Harlem Harlem is where they would have had more of their setup, but it was very, very small even new Amsterdam further down, which is considered a big part of the city only had a few thousand people, so it only be a few very, very small satellite settlement in Harlem.

00:07:04.530 --> 00:07:19.320 Jeff Goodman: The grid in Manhattan for people who who don't know it was developed in the Commissioners planet 1811 that was more than 200 years ago talk about having for side of expanding city and making it functional for people when was the grid lay down in East Harlem.

00:07:21.060 --> 00:07:31.560 Kevin Draper: You know that would have like you said, the grid plan was basically adopted and passed in 1811 and it would it would slowly through the 1820s 30s 40s and 50s.

00:07:31.890 --> 00:07:38.760 Kevin Draper: It was slowly gradually making its way up towards East Harlem and central Harlem so we're really looking at.

00:07:39.180 --> 00:07:47.220 Kevin Draper: The mid to late 19th century is when the grid system really started to be getting to physically physically get laid out they had already.

00:07:47.670 --> 00:07:59.910 Kevin Draper: Had the lines drawn out so a lot of the property owners kind of knew where these roads were going to go and where these avenues are going to go but physically laying down the street we're looking mid to late too late 18th 19th century.

00:08:00.990 --> 00:08:08.430 Jeff Goodman: And when would the neighborhood begin to look like the neighborhood that we see today with with with a good many of the structures.

00:08:09.540 --> 00:08:16.080 Kevin Draper: It definitely looking at the late 19th century, because once the the elevated rail lines were laid out.

00:08:16.530 --> 00:08:26.370 Kevin Draper: A lot of times when you say subway we're thinking, the underground subways which would have been 1904 but back in the 1880s they were already putting elevated.

00:08:26.850 --> 00:08:42.240 Kevin Draper: A rail lines, so that is when you would really start to see that neighborhood start to be developed brownstones and townhouses stuff you're looking around the 1880s 1890s because you got the grid system in and that's when they're really starting to lay it out as a neighborhood.

00:08:42.990 --> 00:08:45.660 Jeff Goodman: course we had the railroad that eventually became the.

00:08:47.040 --> 00:08:58.830 Jeff Goodman: The Harlem line the Hudson line, and that was was built up sooner than that did that impact the development of the neighborhood at all, or was that railroad mostly going up and out of the city.

00:08:59.730 --> 00:09:02.550 Kevin Draper: It was mostly going up and out of the city so everything that was coming in.

00:09:03.030 --> 00:09:09.840 Kevin Draper: At that point when they first built it, by the way, there was no grand central terminal it actually went all the way down and Madison square park that's where the rail line went.

00:09:10.290 --> 00:09:20.430 Kevin Draper: So not not entirely no, it was just basically the trains coming in and out there were no stops up there anything like that it was just basically cutting through the cutting through the neighborhood basically.

00:09:20.910 --> 00:09:25.380 Jeff Goodman: And we had to mass transit lines, we had the second avenue, and the third avenue wells eventually.

00:09:25.980 --> 00:09:26.910 Kevin Draper: Yes, mm hmm.

00:09:27.060 --> 00:09:34.890 Jeff Goodman: And that was before the subway was built in 19 for actually extended up to lexington avenue what around the time in the First World War.

00:09:35.460 --> 00:09:44.610 Jeff Goodman: um what businesses Kevin would have been located here when the neighborhood was first developing what kind of industry is what kind of businesses would would people find in East Harlem.

00:09:45.750 --> 00:09:52.020 Kevin Draper: Well, you would definitely have you know a lot of things in in that were connected to manufacturing because.

00:09:52.770 --> 00:10:00.900 Kevin Draper: You had a place called like you had some breweries that were considered to be the upper East side, but it was in the 90s, so there was a lot of manufacturing along the river.

00:10:01.470 --> 00:10:14.070 Kevin Draper: And you would have had things connected to that like barrel, making, for instance, believe it or not back to make barrels to be sent over to the brewery brewery which Rupert Rupert, by the way, he's the one that bought the Yankees and built Yankee stadium.

00:10:15.690 --> 00:10:30.450 Kevin Draper: So you had a lot of things connected to that and other business was would have been typical businesses that would have helped to support a neighborhood so like some restaurants and a shoemaker and stuff like that, so it was really you had a real neighborhood feel right from the beginning.

00:10:31.110 --> 00:10:36.750 Jeff Goodman: You know something I didn't ask you early on, is is when would the neighborhood begun to have been called East Harlem.

00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:46.560 Kevin Draper: You know, it would have been not to because you had with the upper East side, and with that area being considered Harlem.

00:10:47.550 --> 00:11:01.260 Kevin Draper: You even in the late 19th century, they were already starting to divide up neighbors and trying to give different neighborhoods different names, even if it wasn't officially just so people would know so really by the late 19th century.

00:11:01.650 --> 00:11:05.610 Kevin Draper: A lot of people were referring it to a disease Harlem no different than those that lived in.

00:11:05.940 --> 00:11:12.660 Kevin Draper: Greenwich village where the Web spillage wasn't an official name, so to speak, but people just said it anyway, because they knew it was the West side.

00:11:12.990 --> 00:11:21.060 Kevin Draper: So really the late 19th century is where we're going to start to see because the East Harlem by the locals officially would be much later in the 20th century.

00:11:22.170 --> 00:11:27.270 Jeff Goodman: And it started to get settled as a residential neighborhood in the late 19th century is.

00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:47.100 Jeff Goodman: In the late 19th century sorry there was only one not several of them um who, and of course it was like like a lot of expanding New York immigrant communities were settling in in in in East Harlem um who would the first communities who largely moved here in the in the late 19th century.

00:11:48.180 --> 00:11:58.170 Kevin Draper: Well, you had it was Irish Jewish some German and Italian that was that was kind of the mix that was moving in up into that area at that point.

00:11:58.620 --> 00:12:16.140 Kevin Draper: Because Harlem a little bit further West that was being developed as more of a wealthy middle class upper middle class neighborhood so East Harlem um it was mostly again, it would be Jewish Irish German and then definitely Italian it'd be definitely a big Italian in the late 19th century.

00:12:16.980 --> 00:12:32.490 Jeff Goodman: If you ask people who knew something about New York history, who are not from New York they probably would recognize more that East Harlem was an Italian neighborhood then it was a neighborhood where German immigrants in Jewish immigrants moved into.

00:12:33.810 --> 00:12:40.320 Jeff Goodman: When did when did Jewish immigrants started pop start to populate the neighborhood in large numbers.

00:12:41.730 --> 00:12:53.580 Kevin Draper: It would have been after the American Civil War, because at that point, the lower East side at that point was already one of the most pack we danced neighborhoods in the world, by the way.

00:12:54.390 --> 00:13:05.520 Kevin Draper: i'm alone reciting side so already you had Jewish families moving up there, because, by the way you see places like williamsburg for those that are listening, you know places like in brooklyn like williamsburg.

00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:13.380 Kevin Draper: That wouldn't be starting that would not start to be populated by the Jewish population until the bridges were built like the Manhattan bridge williamsburg bridge.

00:13:13.740 --> 00:13:28.950 Kevin Draper: So one of the first places that Jewish families would move to get out of the lower East side, where was the less crowded would have been after the civil war, so 1870s 1880s is where you're going to start to see Jewish family is starting to move up into that area.

00:13:29.730 --> 00:13:36.720 Jeff Goodman: You mentioned the chronic conditions in the lower East side and what we might have called the is the inner city of the late 19th century.

00:13:37.530 --> 00:13:48.210 Jeff Goodman: The one of the kinds of institutions that moved, along with Jewish immigrants from the lower East side were settlement houses, one of the city is all the settlement houses was in East Harlem.

00:13:49.290 --> 00:13:51.570 Kevin Draper: Yes, this was an extremely important.

00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:59.190 Kevin Draper: advancement really in the way new Yorkers were thinking and one quick thing about settlement houses, you know.

00:13:59.700 --> 00:14:09.030 Kevin Draper: Not only were these places set up to help the poor with all different things, education, teaching, you know, maybe trying to help with certain things with hygiene.

00:14:09.990 --> 00:14:17.790 Kevin Draper: Even helping them provide medical exams providing a simple simple things like art classes for children, a lot of things we take for granted today.

00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:31.950 Kevin Draper: What was interesting about these settlement houses, is that a lot of times the wealthy patrons that we're actually helping to support some of these settlement houses, including the one in East in East Harlem they would actually go and work in these places themselves.

00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:39.900 Kevin Draper: Now the one you're talking about this is not the same story, but Eleanor Roosevelt worked at a settlement house that was actually in lower Manhattan.

00:14:40.290 --> 00:14:49.620 Kevin Draper: And she used to make Franklin Roosevelt pick her up when they use when they were dating and force him to come in and see what it was all about.

00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:56.670 Kevin Draper: So it was an idea of exposing the very wealthy to how the real poor and the immigrants were really living.

00:14:57.090 --> 00:15:05.490 Kevin Draper: To see how they can better their lives and, yes, one of the first ones would have been up in East Harlem and it was so successful that obviously this would spread throughout the entire city.

00:15:07.140 --> 00:15:10.710 Jeff Goodman: So we've Harlem was a model for urban living in some in some ways.

00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:15.630 Kevin Draper: It really was yeah so all of its city absolutely yes, and I would spread throughout the whole country, by the way.

00:15:17.160 --> 00:15:27.210 Jeff Goodman: All right, we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Kevin draper of New York historical tours on this episode about East Harlem we'll be back in a moment.

00:18:24.330 --> 00:18:35.100 Jeff Goodman: we're back and this episode of rediscovering New York and our episode on harlan my first guest is Kevin draper Kevin is the founder and director of New York historical tours.

00:18:35.970 --> 00:18:44.670 Jeff Goodman: Kevin let's talk about your business for for a moment in your offerings a coven has been really challenging but i'm glad to hear that you have.

00:18:45.690 --> 00:18:49.950 Jeff Goodman: reinstated, some of your tours you want to talk about some of the offerings down that people can take advantage of.

00:18:51.000 --> 00:19:01.680 Kevin Draper: Yes, definitely if you look at our our site New York historical tours.com we are offering every single tour that's listed on the website.

00:19:02.370 --> 00:19:10.590 Kevin Draper: And they were all actually offered as private tours, meaning that if you book a tour with us it'll just be you so wherever you're with your family your friends.

00:19:11.580 --> 00:19:21.180 Kevin Draper: During this time of Kobe we're not putting strangers together, and I personally will lead a lot of these tours on if you call and, of course, with a mask and social distancing.

00:19:21.690 --> 00:19:35.430 Kevin Draper: So please feel free to look at the website and again any one of the tours that you see listed, we can do, and it is an interesting time in New York, because it's relatively empty compared to the way normally yes so it's actually a great time to actually see the city by foot.

00:19:37.830 --> 00:19:39.990 Jeff Goodman: and your tours are fabulous.

00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:51.930 Jeff Goodman: East Harlem and the next immigrant communities to Harlem, of course, is a place where many different peoples have have lived is a true that East Harlem was new york's original little Italy.

00:19:53.220 --> 00:20:00.060 Kevin Draper: Yes, for the most part, yes, absolutely because what becomes the little Italy that we all know, downtown.

00:20:00.510 --> 00:20:05.550 Kevin Draper: um was mostly Irish that was part of what was what was the five points and even.

00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:20.580 Kevin Draper: Mostly chinatown also that was starting to grow so yeah some from some of the first Italians that did come here, they did start it set a settling first in East Harlem, that is true that was really the first the reason the other one gets such a big.

00:20:21.930 --> 00:20:31.290 Kevin Draper: it's known so much it's just because that eventually when it started to grow exploded only because it was so close to the docks when the actual work was that was the only reason that.

00:20:31.560 --> 00:20:37.860 Kevin Draper: That area took off and a lot of the Irish are actually moving out of the city that's the reason, but it was the first and literally correct.

00:20:38.790 --> 00:20:50.400 Jeff Goodman: Although I live in East Harlem now, I do have a family history in little Italy my great grandmother, and my great grandfather's family moved to little Italy downtown one beginning the 1890s and the other in the 1920s.

00:20:51.750 --> 00:20:57.810 Jeff Goodman: And the Italian enclave that still exists in East Harlem now that's largely around a pleasant avenue.

00:20:59.550 --> 00:21:01.650 Kevin Draper: In East Harlem yes mm hmm.

00:21:02.340 --> 00:21:12.420 Jeff Goodman: And you still have some old style old businesses there rouse, which is still in there that started around the turn of the last century and Patsy states from.

00:21:12.450 --> 00:21:14.670 Kevin Draper: The 20s and 30s 1930s.

00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.950 Kevin Draper: Well, started open up in the 1930s.

00:21:18.540 --> 00:21:33.690 Jeff Goodman: and looking at a a seedier side to the neighborhood back in those days, there was also organized crime in East Harlem that was Italian spawned major crime syndicate was called the Black hand you want to talk about that.

00:21:34.770 --> 00:21:43.230 Kevin Draper: Yes, the you know the black hand was an organization that we started really was founded really in Italy, so a lot of the Italians that came over.

00:21:43.800 --> 00:21:51.930 Kevin Draper: That we're trying to get a leg up, so to speak, and society, what the black hand was doing it was basically extortion or actually exactly what it was.

00:21:52.320 --> 00:22:02.910 Kevin Draper: So you would be told that you had to pay a certain amount of money and a lot of times you would actually just get a note that says, you have to you know pay us $1,000 or $100 or whatever it was.

00:22:03.540 --> 00:22:14.160 Kevin Draper: Which $100, by the way, was a lot of money back then, and if you didn't pay it they might hurt someone in your family or hurt you or they might even set off a bomb in your restaurant or your store.

00:22:14.580 --> 00:22:24.480 Kevin Draper: So this really terrified people and they made it clear to these people when they wrote these letters, you know not to go to the police and a lot of the Italians coming over.

00:22:24.870 --> 00:22:32.880 Kevin Draper: knew about this organization from Italy, so that was one of the things that scared people is that not only what did they realize they were here.

00:22:33.300 --> 00:22:37.290 Kevin Draper: But then there was a little bit of a worry that they could threaten their family back home in Italy.

00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:43.350 Kevin Draper: So it was a very, very bad thing that was happening with that, and you know, thankfully, that eventually started the best phased out.

00:22:43.950 --> 00:23:00.450 Kevin Draper: The city pushed hard back against that, believe it or not, some of the I don't usually give a thumbs up to organized crime, but a lot of the lot of the Italian families and some of the week called a mafia organized crime, there were certain groups they're pushing back against that so.

00:23:01.290 --> 00:23:03.180 Jeff Goodman: I suppose there's something to be said for.

00:23:04.260 --> 00:23:07.830 Jeff Goodman: Organized crime that was only interested in prostitution gambling and.

00:23:09.270 --> 00:23:10.860 Jeff Goodman: Alcohol during prohibition.

00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:12.510 Jeff Goodman: yeah mostly blowing people up.

00:23:12.840 --> 00:23:14.400 Kevin Draper: that's what I mean exactly yes.

00:23:15.600 --> 00:23:26.670 Jeff Goodman: Well, in the in the 1920s and early 1930s East Harlem was represented in Congress, by a very famous new yorker who had Jewish, as well as Italian roots, do you want to talk about him for a minute.

00:23:26.970 --> 00:23:33.600 Kevin Draper: Yes, that would be a little audio or Great mayor friend Hello one year we actually spoke five languages, by the way.

00:23:34.020 --> 00:23:37.800 Jeff Goodman: When a new you spoke Italian and English as well as English, but he spoke to other languages.

00:23:37.860 --> 00:23:38.910 Kevin Draper: Yes, he did yes.

00:23:39.600 --> 00:23:47.250 Kevin Draper: And it was incredible was when he was campaigning you'd be able to do that, wherever you went now what's interesting about him is that he was actually born in little Italy.

00:23:48.210 --> 00:23:57.690 Kevin Draper: i'm sorry he was born in Greenwich village, I apologize born in the village, but when he was very young, he actually moved to Arizona his father was a big band leader.

00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:06.180 Kevin Draper: For the military, so he was like in the military was a bandleader so we spent most of his childhood up through high school in Arizona.

00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:17.130 Kevin Draper: Never picking up an accent, by the way, always kept that in New York accent and how he did it but and then, when he came back, yes, when he came back and got into politics, he actually was a Congressman that represented.

00:24:18.810 --> 00:24:31.110 Kevin Draper: East Harlem and then, when he became mayor he actually lived in East Harlem so that's when he actually lived in in East Harlem was when he was mayor.

00:24:32.250 --> 00:24:39.180 Kevin Draper: Now, while he was now, this is going through the 1930s into the 1940s, so he was a resident and very active resident.

00:24:39.750 --> 00:24:45.570 Kevin Draper: of East Harlem and he knew the positives and the negatives, and what people were going through in the neighborhood.

00:24:46.410 --> 00:24:56.370 Kevin Draper: And there's a place called gracie mansion that every may or now lives in every mayor from him up until now, except Michael Bloomberg he stayed in his his gilded age mansion which I don't plan on.

00:24:58.560 --> 00:25:08.850 Kevin Draper: The quality or when the city Robert Moses took over a gracie mansion and had it renovated and wanted it to be the mayor's residents laguardia did not want to do it.

00:25:09.360 --> 00:25:20.130 Kevin Draper: He wanted to stay in his apartment in East Harlem he really pushed back, he said it's so above me like that's just not my thing to live in a place called gracie mansion he said.

00:25:20.730 --> 00:25:30.090 Kevin Draper: He did not want it at all, he was basically forced to move in when World War Two started, and it was because they said it was because of his security.

00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:46.440 Kevin Draper: They said it's not secure for you to be living in your apartment walking the streets, so to speak, we need to have you in a more secure location, when the war started so it's not until like the MID like 1942 or so that he actually leaves these Harlem and moves into gracie mansion.

00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:57.480 Jeff Goodman: Well let's um well it's actually moving a little backward not forward let's talk about when East Harlem began to become Spanish Harlem and the body or which we know today.

00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:01.920 Jeff Goodman: But, contrary to what many people who know East Harlem is Spanish Harlem.

00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:19.710 Jeff Goodman: People from Puerto Rico started moving here in the 19th century, right after the Spanish American war, and I also want to designate and and just be clear that people from Puerto Rico we're not immigrants they're Americans so and had been since time we took Puerto Rico from from span.

00:26:21.810 --> 00:26:31.440 Jeff Goodman: By the 1930s i'm have the people, people have two people from Puerto Rico who lived in the continental United States actually lived in East Harlem.

00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:39.570 Jeff Goodman: And after the Second World War, you starling became known as the island within the city, you want to talk about when migration picked up substantially and.

00:26:40.620 --> 00:26:41.700 Jeff Goodman: Chemical came to the neighborhood.

00:26:42.150 --> 00:26:50.190 Kevin Draper: Absolutely, I mean it definitely really started to pick up steam after World War one there's definitely that's when we start to see a lot of people moving into the neighborhood.

00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:56.190 Kevin Draper: And one of the reasons that this neighborhood started to develop, like any ethnic neighborhood.

00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:05.850 Kevin Draper: It turns out that usually one group of people is moving out so, in other words like a lot of the people that were Jewish or Irish or German and definitely Italian.

00:27:06.330 --> 00:27:15.060 Kevin Draper: After war war one going into the 1920s and early 30s now you have the second generation, or even third generation.

00:27:15.870 --> 00:27:23.010 Kevin Draper: Where Now people are moving out to either other parts of the city nicer parts of the city or moving out to the suburbs.

00:27:23.730 --> 00:27:31.170 Kevin Draper: There they're moving up to westchester so if you're Italian you're moving out meaning to Staten island you moving out maybe to brooklyn maybe going out to long island New Jersey.

00:27:31.620 --> 00:27:43.110 Kevin Draper: So, as people are moving out of East Harlem that's when the Puerto Rican migration is coming or its people moving in to New York City and they start moving into East Harlem.

00:27:44.430 --> 00:27:55.920 Kevin Draper: And it just grows throughout the 20s 30s 40s 50s definitely in the 1960s, by the way, when you had another small Puerto Rican neighborhood where Lincoln Center is today.

00:27:56.730 --> 00:28:08.310 Kevin Draper: So San Juan hill as they used to call it so and all these people were evicted from their homes and they were taking down all these buildings to build the Lincoln Center complex you even had in the 1960s.

00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:23.250 Kevin Draper: More Puerto ricans moving in over to East Harlem so when you talk about the neighborhood growing you can really start again from after World War 119 20s all the way into the 1960s, the neighborhood is growing and growing and growing.

00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:31.950 Jeff Goodman: Many people don't know this Kevin but part of the on location set for the movie West side story was actually filled with these toral and one of the buck, so you starling.

00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:40.770 Jeff Goodman: Like so many New York neighborhoods East Harlem saw a period of decline, mostly in the 60s in the 70s and there was gang activity.

00:28:41.520 --> 00:28:53.190 Jeff Goodman: And then, like much of the city it's saw revitalization and renewal you one thing I do want to mention is that there's a museum in East Harlem called newsy ideal body or which looks to which.

00:28:53.880 --> 00:29:08.640 Jeff Goodman: Which showcases and celebrates culture in a Spanish culture in East Harlem what has we're running at a time in our segment what has East Harlem been like say in the last 20 years but How has it been changing.

00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:16.260 Kevin Draper: Well, keep in mind East East Harlem has very good bones, I like to say so, in other words, when the neighborhood was developed.

00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:26.280 Kevin Draper: Some of the brownstone some of the town houses, the libraries you actually have Carnegie libraries I Andrew Carnegie built many libraries in New York, the Carnegie library, you have.

00:29:27.570 --> 00:29:30.660 Kevin Draper: The museum of the city of New York for instances is in East Harlem.

00:29:31.770 --> 00:29:43.620 Kevin Draper: And some of the public schools that are using if he's tall and that were built in the 1880s through the 19 teens so, meaning that it's always been a pretty good, solid neighborhood.

00:29:44.580 --> 00:29:55.650 Kevin Draper: With that to climb now the last 20 years people have been moving back to the neighborhood because what happens is if it's considered to be a little bit cheaper.

00:29:56.580 --> 00:30:07.530 Kevin Draper: people look to to lay down roots, maybe they want to start a family and people, people are starting out in life, so the neighborhood has been slowly turning around where you're seeing more restaurants more coffee shops more bars.

00:30:08.100 --> 00:30:14.100 Kevin Draper: You have those cultural institutions that we both just mentioned is different cultural institutions and.

00:30:14.790 --> 00:30:26.490 Kevin Draper: So yes, there is that term genet gentrification which you know again it's a double edged short how how you describe it, but it's as a neighborhood gets better the prices are going up, of course, but.

00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:39.750 Kevin Draper: it's it's the bones are good, meaning that it's the neighborhood is so ripe for everyone that's living their own ready to enjoy it as it's growing and as is being restored and renovated.

00:30:40.110 --> 00:30:47.490 Kevin Draper: But it's also attractive for those that perhaps are moving in and for future development there's a lot of things that are going to be happening in that area.

00:30:48.360 --> 00:30:58.770 Jeff Goodman: Well rediscovering New York is not a show that real estate but being in the industry, I will say that East Harlem is also known as being still having really good value for people who want to invest in home, so the values have gone up considerably.

00:30:59.490 --> 00:31:11.580 Jeff Goodman: Kevin we're at a time Thank you so much, my first guest on this show about East Harlem on the program has been Kevin draper Kevin is the founder and director of New York historical tours.

00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:18.420 Jeff Goodman: And you can find out about his offerings at www dot New York historical tours COM that I get that right.

00:31:18.840 --> 00:31:22.020 Jeff Goodman: Yes, you did perfect okay thanks Kevin good to see you as always.

00:31:22.620 --> 00:31:22.920 Jeff Goodman: we're gonna.

00:31:23.190 --> 00:31:35.850 Jeff Goodman: we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to speak with a special guest who's not been on the program before, who has a very special business and service in East Harlem we'll be back in a moment.

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00:35:40.530 --> 00:35:49.560 Jeff Goodman: My second guest is someone that i've known for a while he's an artist and he's passionate about empowering others in the world of art that's Julio Valdez.

00:35:50.340 --> 00:36:00.000 Jeff Goodman: Julio was born in Santa Domingo in the Dominican Republic he's a painter a printmaker a teacher and installation artist and has exhibited internationally since 1984.

00:36:01.020 --> 00:36:14.820 Jeff Goodman: Julio received training and oil painting and printmaking and both his native land and New York City is artichokes the caribbean's physical beauty and buried cultures is Afro Caribbean roots and contemporary issues of displacement and cultural identity.

00:36:15.870 --> 00:36:28.830 Jeff Goodman: Julio studied at the national school of finance and Santa Domingo from 1984 to 1986 and 1988 was graduated from altos tisha all school of design it's the parsons school of design affiliate in the Dominican Republic.

00:36:29.700 --> 00:36:38.310 Jeff Goodman: received the fellowship from the Robert Blackburn printmaking workshop in 1994 and then the same year founded the Julio Valdez studio which we're going to be speaking about tonight.

00:36:38.640 --> 00:36:42.540 Jeff Goodman: Which specializes in non toxic contemporary printmaking processes.

00:36:43.230 --> 00:36:50.340 Jeff Goodman: Julio was presented 31 solo exhibitions that's a pretty good record, most recently in 2019 2020.

00:36:50.670 --> 00:36:58.980 Jeff Goodman: At June Kelly gallery and soho that's here in New York, by the way, and in 2016 at the Latin American masters gallery in Santa Monica that's in California.

00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:05.340 Jeff Goodman: Julio Valdez studio is a regular exhibitor at the affordable art fair, as well as art on paper, both in New York.

00:37:06.060 --> 00:37:10.950 Jeff Goodman: In 2019 he represented the Dominican Republic at the 50 thinness biennial in Italy.

00:37:11.700 --> 00:37:27.480 Jeff Goodman: The new museum exhibition is scheduled for 2021 at the art museum of the Americas at the OAS that's the Organization of American States in Washington, who leo's work as part of many public private and museum collections worldwide Julio a hearty welcome to rediscovering New York.

00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:32.910 Julio Valdez: Thank you Jeff great being here with you i'm a big fan of your Program.

00:37:33.210 --> 00:37:34.860 Julio Valdez: Well, thank you, I appreciate that.

00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.660 Jeff Goodman: I think you're one of my original fans, one of the original listeners I don't have fans the Program.

00:37:39.660 --> 00:37:39.930 That.

00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:48.690 Jeff Goodman: i'm you know I don't know many people who were from Santo Domingo and I have to say, of all the places in the Americas.

00:37:49.020 --> 00:37:55.500 Jeff Goodman: it's probably one of the most inspiring places that someone who has become an artist could grow up and it's the oldest city.

00:37:56.070 --> 00:38:07.950 Jeff Goodman: The angel when I was there I walked in it was like a medieval Cathedral that's what that was style it was built it was built in the 16th century i'm how old were you when you first started to get interested in into and to create art.

00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:19.170 Julio Valdez: Well i'm very fortunate that I was always very interested, but I started taking it seriously when I was 15.

00:38:20.100 --> 00:38:29.850 Julio Valdez: That was a moment of truth in my life because I had to decide whether i'll go to baseball practice, like every case will be paid for today.

00:38:30.540 --> 00:38:40.290 Julio Valdez: Or to my art school, you know to my are you know practices and so that was a very challenging year because.

00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:52.350 Julio Valdez: My father passed away so the need from from a heart attack until and and he has already arrange it for me right before he passed.

00:38:53.100 --> 00:39:07.470 Julio Valdez: To take these oil painting classes in not to such a bone in it was it was a summer program and so kind of to me that was the the design that I should just continue to.

00:39:08.460 --> 00:39:16.740 Julio Valdez: pursue my passion and an artist, I can be an artist all my life, but basically a you know the probabilities were not very.

00:39:17.640 --> 00:39:18.300 Jeff Goodman: Hard yes.

00:39:18.570 --> 00:39:18.990 Yes.

00:39:20.910 --> 00:39:21.690 Jeff Goodman: Speaking of which I.

00:39:22.170 --> 00:39:28.170 Jeff Goodman: I love your painting I were on the radio i'm holding up a book that new wonderfully gave me on your art.

00:39:28.350 --> 00:39:29.370 Julio Valdez: Oh yeah that's.

00:39:29.370 --> 00:39:31.020 Jeff Goodman: Right, you know some of the.

00:39:31.830 --> 00:39:47.190 Jeff Goodman: Some of my favorite painting, is that you do, or are these rich green and blue textures the very evocative to me of the water in the Caribbean just a beautiful beautiful colors in the water um What did you decide to move to New York.

00:39:48.510 --> 00:39:49.980 Jeff Goodman: it's a program about New York and urine.

00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:50.940 Julio Valdez: Yes, exactly.

00:39:51.000 --> 00:40:01.590 Julio Valdez: Exactly so um I was teaching and altos each have worn, which is the school of the side affiliated to parsons school of design here in New York.

00:40:01.980 --> 00:40:15.360 Julio Valdez: So I had to come to New York to consult with the Faculty in with the Dean, and so there was this relationship was already there and it's the same place where I study and graduated so.

00:40:16.590 --> 00:40:36.630 Julio Valdez: In 19 I used to come to in the summers to study English at the new school and to see museums and in that process, the dean of parcels are invited me to to meet Bob Blackburn the massive printer legendary master print printer and he.

00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:43.080 Julio Valdez: I mean, this is a person who introduced Robert rauschenberg and Jasper Johns to make you know that so.

00:40:43.650 --> 00:40:53.820 Julio Valdez: For me to go to meet this guy was was great and he gave me a fellowship he invited me he saw my portfolio, I think, say, I will allow you to come to New York to stay here for a year with me.

00:40:54.390 --> 00:41:07.080 Julio Valdez: And that's why I decided, I was way back in 1990 December 93 something like that yeah and I stay all night before working with hainan 17 street.

00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:17.790 Julio Valdez: In at that time my my my girlfriend was assistant to the dena parsons and cheap, then we married we've been married for.

00:41:18.690 --> 00:41:34.320 Julio Valdez: Over two decades now, and so anyway so that's what happened, you know initially I wasn't planning on staying here forever just to Pino spay whole year, and you know things keep happening and love kinane and.

00:41:36.450 --> 00:41:38.040 Jeff Goodman: And there is New York New York has that.

00:41:39.030 --> 00:41:40.380 Jeff Goodman: Inside has been drawn.

00:41:40.740 --> 00:41:44.880 Julio Valdez: Also, a big part of it is because I realized that.

00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.340 Julio Valdez: I had achieved already in my native country.

00:41:51.390 --> 00:42:04.230 Julio Valdez: Like a lot pretty young so like I didn't have a lot of challenges there, so it feels to me like being an artist and fine artists New York was it bigger pot to grow.

00:42:06.120 --> 00:42:16.380 Jeff Goodman: Know Julio mostly let let's talk about the studio in the project space most artists who paint and work in the media that you do and painting and printmaking they have studios to work in.

00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:27.300 Jeff Goodman: Many artists also dream about having a regular space that they can exhibit their own work in but the the project space has both those things, but it has much more than that.

00:42:28.170 --> 00:42:35.130 Jeff Goodman: Do you want to talk about what it does, aside from just being a place that you exhibit your work, and also that you can do your thing.

00:42:35.940 --> 00:42:47.010 Julio Valdez: Yes, yes, of course, having having the studio is the is the main thing in order to develop your work as an artist and I.

00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:54.660 Julio Valdez: What I do with the project space is, I imagine, when I first came to New York as an immigrant artist.

00:42:55.020 --> 00:43:17.670 Julio Valdez: I realized that all the bits and pieces of information I needed and the services they were scattered all over so and there wasn't a lot of information, you know, so I I wanted to do business, besides doing my work found a firm that will be a services RD services business.

00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:27.210 Julio Valdez: Sorry, I will have everything under one roof all the services that we need in order of importance, first of all, and foremost.

00:43:27.690 --> 00:43:41.940 Julio Valdez: Is a studio space, you know spaces for you to do you practice things once you have a body of work, you need to present the word properly, and so I do archival framing and conservation as well.

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:43.440 Jeff Goodman: You have a great space i've been to the.

00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:45.330 Julio Valdez: studio Thank you yeah.

00:43:45.330 --> 00:43:49.260 Jeff Goodman: it's it's big yes it's not cramped it.

00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:49.620 Julio Valdez: Has a.

00:43:51.270 --> 00:44:04.860 Julio Valdez: Former factory good you know East Harlem that's what Kevin was explaining all that about all the day my grandson how we assimilate accelerated in the 40s and 50s that Puerto ricans were actually.

00:44:06.240 --> 00:44:11.400 Julio Valdez: They were stimulators to come to the to the main line, though, is another idea, you know we went from island to I.

00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:30.600 Julio Valdez: had to work in the factories in fact the studio where you have been it was it was a closed down factory that I rented it in 1996 initially my studio was in the lower East side and father for recurring income, you know.

00:44:31.560 --> 00:44:32.790 Jeff Goodman: And also they're also.

00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:36.030 Jeff Goodman: A sizable Dominican Community on the lower East side as.

00:44:36.030 --> 00:44:40.140 Julio Valdez: Well, yes, yes, I remember and and but I remember.

00:44:41.160 --> 00:44:53.730 Julio Valdez: Going back, this is a little commercial when I used to come in the summers you know parcels to work there, they gave me a tour of the neighborhood in the lower side and they show me, and this is the alphabet city, you know I remember.

00:44:54.120 --> 00:45:01.530 Julio Valdez: And you can see the tournament you know from second Albania would turn because you can see, the people you know within needles that everything.

00:45:01.830 --> 00:45:11.040 Julio Valdez: The neighbor who was like a rough you know they didn't want to take me over there, because I was just basically anyway so that's how it happens so we're so in my studio we have.

00:45:12.120 --> 00:45:29.040 Julio Valdez: The studio spaces, the framing shops to present your work, and then we had the exhibition platforms, as you said before therefore warfare our paper I northern fears and then we open our own a house gallery space.

00:45:30.330 --> 00:45:41.730 Julio Valdez: The space that you been sitting on one and six, we used to have the gallery in the front, now we just open I having tell you these we open a ground level street level.

00:45:42.600 --> 00:45:55.380 Julio Valdez: Space on why not a almost a third between lexington and third same block just to say we have a show open coming up on April 18.

00:45:56.760 --> 00:46:16.620 Julio Valdez: A group of artists from a creative capital is an organization that you know help artists in New York, and then we have another show from mature bratty great artists that work with us in May, so I will send you the invitation, so you can you know share it and post it for this shows.

00:46:16.740 --> 00:46:24.930 Jeff Goodman: Please i'm on and i'm overdue for a visit myself we're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Julio valdes who leo's.

00:46:26.070 --> 00:46:30.330 Jeff Goodman: project, the jvm project space is in East Harlem and we'll be back in a moment.

00:46:32.010 --> 00:46:35.070 Julio Valdez: you're listening to talk radio and my.

00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:56.370 Jeff Goodman: we're back and our episode on East Harlem my second guest is Julio Valdez Julio is a painter a printmaker and a creator and facilitator of art.

00:48:57.120 --> 00:49:08.850 Jeff Goodman: His studio Julio Valdez studio in the jbs project space is in East Harlem Julio what was the inspiration for you to create your your studio in your space in East Harlem.

00:49:11.040 --> 00:49:20.160 Julio Valdez: um well, as I said initially my studio my own studio was in in the lower East side and what I realized was that.

00:49:21.870 --> 00:49:30.000 Julio Valdez: There was a lot of like pretentious people like want to be artists, like, I felt like.

00:49:31.290 --> 00:49:52.890 Julio Valdez: In East Harlem a was the one of the largest and original Latino neighborhoods I wanted to have that flavor I wanted to have the feel and there was a lot of other boys very well known for performing arts, you know, like to point a I can Tony.

00:49:53.970 --> 00:50:06.360 Julio Valdez: Just a lot of legends rainbow rainbow they're all from there, but there was a lot of visual artists and serious dedicated artists.

00:50:07.530 --> 00:50:20.310 Julio Valdez: Even like Alice neel you know was there, many years ago, and so I felt that it was more of like my place like where I wanted to develop as an artist and had that flavor of.

00:50:20.910 --> 00:50:36.000 Julio Valdez: People that kind of know each other and that they say good morning or good evening and they talk to you and and I want to, I think I came at a time where I could talk to the elders you know oral history.

00:50:36.330 --> 00:50:47.160 Julio Valdez: A lot of things that Kevin was saying before I can see, you know with somebody and older person who's being in that neighborhood for 30 4050 years.

00:50:47.520 --> 00:51:00.630 Julio Valdez: and talk today and and what was this neighborhood like you know, back then, and asked what I learned things like the train the elevated train and houses didn't even have.

00:51:02.640 --> 00:51:03.090 Julio Valdez: You know.

00:51:04.200 --> 00:51:09.900 Julio Valdez: floor you know just dirt house and stuff like that so just being with great artists.

00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:12.330 Julio Valdez: And that so like.

00:51:14.550 --> 00:51:20.190 Julio Valdez: sense of continually you know that was things inspiring.

00:51:20.700 --> 00:51:27.090 Jeff Goodman: It sounds like your experience of East Harlem Julio is is more like a village or a small town and is really a.

00:51:28.230 --> 00:51:33.120 Jeff Goodman: city with an urban landscape, a neighborhood you know, in a city with an urban landscape.

00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:42.300 Julio Valdez: You know it's interesting that you said that it felt like it's like yeah like like Louis city within a city, you know I also.

00:51:42.870 --> 00:51:49.620 Julio Valdez: Like it that it was I could have a really big space, like the space, you know I still had the one that you have done.

00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:58.920 Julio Valdez: That I we build it from scratch, you know what we rented was a closed down factory address factory has been closed down or it was good for like three years.

00:51:59.310 --> 00:52:07.950 Julio Valdez: When we first opened the front door we couldn't even open in that it's filled with garbage to spend three more than i've ever in the middle of the blades so remember the police or 96.

00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:09.750 Julio Valdez: In the city.

00:52:10.080 --> 00:52:15.930 Julio Valdez: yeah that was missing was closer that's when we were creating that love to get in and then.

00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:23.880 Julio Valdez: But it felt like everybody was very helpful, although other artists in the area and I.

00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:32.370 Julio Valdez: I also liked it strategically, you know, I was still 15 minutes train ride from Union Union.

00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:48.090 Julio Valdez: Union square because of what I do in a lot of business down there, and you know 15 minutes writing in train or car from any breach or vino are walking towards the.

00:52:49.200 --> 00:52:53.580 Julio Valdez: door was having central park right there that was quite quite attracted to me.

00:52:54.090 --> 00:52:56.190 Jeff Goodman: where's the project space exactly I know where it is.

00:52:56.850 --> 00:53:16.770 Julio Valdez: it's a nice 106 street you know 176 East one or six four floors open by appointment and then our new gallery is at one at one East one went to a stream, so they both basis on the same block sorry, in the same yes and block just two streets away.

00:53:18.450 --> 00:53:22.890 Jeff Goodman: Too many of the artists who utilize the project space actually live in East Harlem.

00:53:24.120 --> 00:53:32.850 Julio Valdez: Actually, I was said about happens then leave no far is hardly but the race leave.

00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:47.490 Julio Valdez: In the upper West side or in like the harling area near central Harlem so but everybody likes the fact that they can walk or bike there and that.

00:53:50.070 --> 00:54:01.950 Julio Valdez: That feature was really tested your independence so so many artists were the artists were so grateful that I had developed these spaces for artists to do their work.

00:54:03.150 --> 00:54:19.230 Julio Valdez: Because they didn't have to travel far to williamsburg or to you know, there are other neighborhoods to grow pain, they didn't want to they want to take the train back then, you know when I was really bad in March, April may you know all the way until.

00:54:19.230 --> 00:54:26.970 Julio Valdez: Today, so that was great that everybody, you know, is able to kind of walk or bike there.

00:54:28.650 --> 00:54:36.630 Jeff Goodman: After you open the project space Julio was there anything that surprised you about East Harlem something that you maybe not had anticipated.

00:54:38.430 --> 00:54:54.990 Julio Valdez: Well um how was said um how fast was changing and and home many closings of the street in the summer, for all the festivals I didn't realize it was such a popular place.

00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:55.950 Jeff Goodman: that's a good thing.

00:54:56.460 --> 00:55:02.430 Julio Valdez: it's a good thing, but, but sometimes it was it was it was hard between the preachers.

00:55:03.060 --> 00:55:16.050 Julio Valdez: You know, like always right and blasting really laughing and then all the clothes into the street and it fills second the summer every weekend, they will see there are religious procession thing alone throbbing you're one of six.

00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:21.090 Julio Valdez: or a street blogging and things, and that was a little a little rough.

00:55:22.140 --> 00:55:28.410 Julio Valdez: You know, but, but also the fact that is being gentrified kind of like changing so fast.

00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:33.210 Julio Valdez: that's sad because it.

00:55:34.350 --> 00:55:39.450 Julio Valdez: breaks the continuity of things, but hey that's that's what happened in the year.

00:55:40.290 --> 00:55:43.680 Jeff Goodman: it's it's about change, I mean nothing is nothing is permanent and we.

00:55:44.070 --> 00:55:53.820 Jeff Goodman: New York is an evolving city, but the one thing that we do have that that I think oles some of the displacement of gentrification is rent regulation if if.

00:55:53.880 --> 00:56:03.630 Jeff Goodman: It housing is rent regulated, some of it isn't submit isn't Julio we're almost at a time, I want to ask you one other question um you aren't in a neighborhood business per se you provide a service.

00:56:04.200 --> 00:56:15.540 Jeff Goodman: But you're part of the Community, and you manage sort of a local business because people get benefits from it and you interact with the public, is there any advice, you would have for someone looking to open up a business in the neighborhood.

00:56:16.590 --> 00:56:26.490 Julio Valdez: yeah there's a lot of great resources, a one is to getting in contact with the neighborhood organization so like Union settlement.

00:56:27.510 --> 00:56:28.050 Julio Valdez: In.

00:56:29.160 --> 00:56:31.050 Julio Valdez: uptown grand central.

00:56:32.160 --> 00:56:38.550 Julio Valdez: In the actually the Harlem the Columbia Harlem Business School so.

00:56:39.720 --> 00:56:43.740 Julio Valdez: It is very helpful to East Harlem businesses and.

00:56:45.180 --> 00:56:49.860 Julio Valdez: You know, we have, we have a group, you know whatsapp that we support each other.

00:56:51.090 --> 00:56:52.770 Julio Valdez: yeah this definitely.

00:56:53.850 --> 00:56:56.520 Julio Valdez: Definitely those resources, having.

00:56:58.140 --> 00:57:00.000 Julio Valdez: You know, to help each other in the name of.

00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:07.650 Jeff Goodman: If any of our listeners wanted to get in touch with you or find out about the project space what where can they find that information to manage.

00:57:08.010 --> 00:57:20.310 Julio Valdez: A jv s project space.com you know so all together jbs project space COM also my website, will you have on this outcome that's for my own work, but for.

00:57:20.790 --> 00:57:33.960 Julio Valdez: The business is jbs project space.com also you can follow me at will, you have on the studio in instagram and I will continue with with everything you need.

00:57:34.740 --> 00:57:39.420 Jeff Goodman: Great well Julio Thank you so much for being a guest on the show i'm thrilled to have you.

00:57:40.860 --> 00:57:47.250 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest on this program about nice darlin has been Julio Valdez of Julio Valdez studio and jbs project space.

00:57:47.850 --> 00:57:54.060 Jeff Goodman: If you have comments or questions about the show if you'd like to get on our mailing list, please email me Jeff at rediscovering York that nyc.

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00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:16.530 Jeff Goodman: One more thing, before we sign off i'm Jeff Goodman a real estate agent and brown Harris Stevens who actually lives in East Harlem.

00:58:16.890 --> 00:58:22.170 Jeff Goodman: And whether you're selling buying leasing or renting my team and I provide the best service and expertise in New York City real estate.

00:58:22.830 --> 00:58:42.030 Jeff Goodman: You can reach me and my team at 646-306-4761 our producer is Ralph story or our engineer continues to be the great Sam leibowitz our production assistant as Leah cupola our special consultant is David Griffin of landmark branding thanks for listening we'll see you next time.

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