This week Sam welcomes Author, Speaker, Consultant, & Juggler, Michael J. Gelb.
The world’s leading authority on the application of genius thinking for personal and organizational development, Michael J. Gelb is a pioneer in the fields of creative thinking, innovative leadership and executive coaching. His clients include DuPont, Emerson, Genentech, KPMG, Merck, Microsoft, Nike and YPO. Michael is the author of 17 books including How to Think Like Leonardo Da Vinci, Discover Your Genius, Innovate Like Edison, and The Art of Connection. We'll be talking all about his new book, Mastering the Art of Public Speaking.
Sam begins with a quote from his book “Everyday Awakening,” about life happening for us rather than to us. This statement was inspired by his friend and colleague Jennifer Hough. Sam shares his personal experience with allowing difficult moments in his life to shape him for the better. Michael J. Gelb is introduced. Michael is a pioneer in the fields of creative thinking, innovative leadership and executive coaching. He is also the author of 17 books including How to Think Like Leonardo Da Vinci, Discover Your Genius, Innovate Like Edison, and The Art of Connection. As a teen Michael read Man’s Search for Meaning and wondered how people could find meaning in their lives during atrocities much like Victor Frankl did.
Michael shares how he began his career as a public speaker. In high school he was voted “Class Arguer,” so he already had the gift of gab. In graduate school he was invited to speak at a corporate event by a gentleman who was a successful author. The experience had such a strong impact on him that Michael decided to continue public speaking professionally. Michael’s first book was about the Alexander technique, which is a method for developing stage presence. He does executive coaching with CEOs using this method and helps them break habits like self-soothing gestures and defensive posture that would make people less confident in their message. You can learn more about this technique in his book “Body Learning: An Introduction to the Alexander Technique.”
His book, “Mastering the Art of Public Speaking,” was originally written in 1988 under the title, “Present Yourself: Captivate Your Audience with Great Presentation Skills.” He felt that he had learned a tremendous amount and had discovered his voice and wanted to write more books to help others so he wrote, “Present Yourself.” His books also lead to more public speaking opportunities over the years but those events have since been cancelled due to the pandemic. Michael hasn't been on a plane in 14 months. Fortunately for him, before the pandemic he had already begun consulting, speaking, and teaching via Zoom, which made the transition quite easy for him. Very little had to be changed.
Michael believes the simplest and most actionable tip he can provide is to be really clear about your message and frame your presentation around the impact you would like to have on that audience. Michael recommends that before a presentation or podcast, the speaker should write down three key elements of their presentation; what you want the audience to know, feel, and what you want them to do as a result of your presentation. A classic acronym to remember is KISS, keep it simple speaker. Michal shares one more book with us called, “Wine Drinking for Inspired Thinking.” It is about team building through wine tasting. If you would like to know more about Michael or get in touch with him, visit michaelgelb.com. His books can be found on his website including free articles and videos.
00:00:33.540 --> 00:00:47.190 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co creators, welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.
00:00:47.790 --> 00:00:55.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i've got a fun guest in store for you today, and I look forward to introducing to you to him in a minute, but first.
00:00:57.180 --> 00:01:06.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Not our quotes of the day, from the universe, and from Abraham that I had been doing those have been tuning in regularly the last couple of weeks, know that i've now switched and i'm now.
00:01:07.290 --> 00:01:20.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Reading just a short segment from my own book every day awakening which came out in November and, if you like this little section, you can always get it at everyday awakening book.com.
00:01:21.210 --> 00:01:28.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Alright, so let's see which chapter, we have today, which is actually number three and it's quite interesting this one.
00:01:29.790 --> 00:01:47.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because this one I, it is, it is a tribute in a way to my dear friend Jennifer huff because she is the one who gave me these words, and it is so apropos that this one happens to be and again i'm just doing these inorder i'm that randomly picking them out.
00:01:49.470 --> 00:01:58.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That this one happens to be today because i'm very, very, very proud and honored to announce that Jennifer half will be joining the network shortly.
00:01:59.520 --> 00:02:04.650 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So Jennifer this one is for you life happens for us not to us.
00:02:05.070 --> 00:02:16.950 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We have all had a crisis in our lives, and when we do we feel like the whole world is against us, we can feel powerless in that situation, though nothing could be further from the truth.
00:02:17.220 --> 00:02:28.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We can feel like victims, we can feel as if nothing we do makes any difference, the real issue is not what happens, the real issue is our perspective.
00:02:28.860 --> 00:02:46.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Our emotions can make us feel that life is happening to us actually life is happening for us it's a small word a tiny change in the sentence, yet it makes all the difference life happens for us not to us.
00:02:48.030 --> 00:02:58.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So what does that mean, how does changing that one little word help it means that everything that happens is here to serve us in some way.
00:02:59.550 --> 00:03:08.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Maybe we can't see it in the moment, especially when we do not yet have some distance with time things begin to look different.
00:03:08.790 --> 00:03:21.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Slowly over time what seemed like a horrible thing turns out to be our greatest gift, it may be a defining moment in our lives, it may be the very thing that launches us onto our new path.
00:03:21.900 --> 00:03:31.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It may be the one thing that completely transforms that trajectory of our future, how do we know in the moment we don't.
00:03:31.710 --> 00:03:41.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yet if we approach it with the perspective that it is happening for us suddenly we find peace we become the comm Center in a chaotic storm.
00:03:41.850 --> 00:03:51.720 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Our whole perspective shifts and we are more open to see other possibilities, we are the very person, we need to be to see it through.
00:03:52.530 --> 00:04:02.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It may not seem like it at the time, it may feel like the greatest challenge we have ever faced or perhaps it is just a small inconvenience like your Internet going up.
00:04:03.300 --> 00:04:18.780 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Regardless of what it is, it is happening for us not to us, you don't have to believe it just try it on does it help do you feel better, more empowered does that perspective serve you.
00:04:21.960 --> 00:04:40.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: If it does, then why not use it what's the worst that could happen to you if you do there is magic in life and greater magic and believing in acting as if it all happens for us not to us, are you willing to try it on, are you willing to test it out.
00:04:41.580 --> 00:04:46.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Try living as if life happens for you and see how you feel.
00:04:48.120 --> 00:05:05.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so that particular blog post, which I wrote probably about two years ago now, came after spending a weekend down in asheville North Carolina with Jennifer half it was one of the training programs I took with the evolutionary business Council.
00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:16.650 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And it was wonderful to hear Jennifer talk and especially when she said life happens for us not to us and I just felt like.
00:05:17.130 --> 00:05:31.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Something I knew deep inside of me and my heart, like suddenly crystallized and that was just like the beginning of the weekend the whole weekend was just filled with all of these beautiful golden nuggets.
00:05:33.510 --> 00:05:42.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So when I came back and I had to write my blog for the next week I just couldn't think of a better theme to talk about.
00:05:43.050 --> 00:05:51.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Life happens for us, and this is something that i've coached my own clients on not in those words before that weekend, not in those words.
00:05:51.750 --> 00:06:03.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But I always talk about because i've seen it in my own life how sometimes the the biggest challenges that when we're going through them their excruciating they're so difficult.
00:06:03.870 --> 00:06:20.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: There so challenging that that those moments in our lives that we think are so often we can't wait to get through them, we think that there that they were a mistake that this shouldn't have happened that that that there's something wrong about this.
00:06:21.210 --> 00:06:28.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yet somehow with perspective, with time we begin to see how it has shifted us.
00:06:29.280 --> 00:06:42.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And to me many of you have heard me tell my story about how I ended up living with schizophrenia after college or during college actually till after and how it was really the most difficult six years of my life.
00:06:45.810 --> 00:06:55.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And they always tried to keep the perspective that i'd never wanted to regret what I did, and I never wanted to regret the choices that I made because I knew that it would.
00:06:57.210 --> 00:07:09.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: help me in some way, but I couldn't see it in the moment and then years years years later, about 11 years ago now, I found out that my best friend from high school committed suicide.
00:07:10.950 --> 00:07:15.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And he was so much we were so.
00:07:16.170 --> 00:07:25.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Like each other, he was a nice Jewish boy from the bronx like I was he had an older brother and older sister roughly close to the same age that my older brother and sister was.
00:07:27.840 --> 00:07:35.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The only difference was you as a kid as a young man he never went through that really difficult time that I did.
00:07:36.420 --> 00:07:51.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I didn't know this until actually shortly before he died that he had been suffering from depression, most of his life and when he was gone, I felt like oh my God like there, but for the grace of God go I that could have been me.
00:07:52.380 --> 00:07:53.640 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: had I not.
00:07:56.370 --> 00:07:58.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Experience what I experienced having not.
00:08:00.030 --> 00:08:02.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Had the challenges that I had.
00:08:03.870 --> 00:08:16.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I could have easily have wound up with an attitude of this is too painful, this is too much i'm out of here yet because of those challenges that I had because in a very.
00:08:17.370 --> 00:08:28.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: In a very present way they put me on to my spiritual path, even though I got off of it for a long time and then get back on it that experienced has served me in so many ways.
00:08:30.660 --> 00:08:40.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So that lesson for me was how life really did happen for me not to me, so I try and relate that message.
00:08:40.590 --> 00:08:49.440 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: As much as possible, and now that Jennifer huff has given me those the that phrase I use it frequently and often and I love to quote her for it, and I think.
00:08:50.010 --> 00:08:57.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: it's just so apropos considering that you all are the first to know that she will be doing a show with us and i'm really thrilled about that.
00:08:57.690 --> 00:09:06.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So she will be joining talking alternative we don't have a start date yet we don't even have a name of her show but she's just like yes and i'm like yes okay beautiful awesome so.
00:09:08.100 --> 00:09:17.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: enough about that, I am now really thrilled and excited to welcome to the show author speaker consultant and juggler what's not forget the juggling.
00:09:18.450 --> 00:09:23.880 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Michael J Guild i'm gonna have to find out what the J stands for he's the world's.
00:09:24.390 --> 00:09:35.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The world's leading authority on the application of genius thinking to personal and organizational development Michael is a pioneer in the field of creative thinking innovative leadership and executive coaching.
00:09:35.790 --> 00:09:45.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: His clients include Du Pont Emerson genentech KPMG Merck Microsoft Nike and why PO I mean humongous companies.
00:09:46.170 --> 00:09:58.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: michaels the author of 17 bucks oh my God I just did one so far I can't believe 17 books, including how to think like Leonardo da Vinci love that title discover your genius innovate like Edison.
00:09:58.650 --> 00:10:14.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And the art of connection I love the art of connection too I like that, too, and today we'll be speaking about his new book mastering the art of public speaking, which many of you know, is a topic near and dear to my heart, so welcome to the conscious consultant our Michael.
00:10:14.640 --> 00:10:16.320 Michael J. Gelb: Thank you so much, great to be with you.
00:10:16.710 --> 00:10:19.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful and I love that flash T shirt.
00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:22.470 Michael J. Gelb: Not flashes my own unique original logo.
00:10:22.830 --> 00:10:27.210 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh really I apologize it just looks so much like the Flash.
00:10:27.570 --> 00:10:43.020 Michael J. Gelb: It does it obviously there is a similarity but this represents the bolt of creative inspiration, that is accessible to all of us and is a big part of what I teach and speak about.
00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.780 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful all right, I want to get into all that, but first I have to know what is the J stand for.
00:10:49.500 --> 00:10:53.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Jeffrey Jeffrey Michael Jeffrey go got it.
00:10:54.870 --> 00:11:04.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So, how did you get sort of initially on this track of I mean it's like you do a few things it's like public speaking executive coaching.
00:11:05.280 --> 00:11:13.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: genius you know all about thinking, I mean is this like, how does the human mind work was that blake one of the things you'd ask yourself, when you were a kid growing up.
00:11:13.800 --> 00:11:15.450 Michael J. Gelb: that's exactly what I asked.
00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:19.230 Michael J. Gelb: I was the human mind work because it seemed to me that the world was in.
00:11:19.860 --> 00:11:20.970 Michael J. Gelb: chaos and.
00:11:22.020 --> 00:11:25.590 Michael J. Gelb: Divided conflicted kind of like now.
00:11:28.050 --> 00:11:31.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: funny How did the more things change, the more they stay the same right.
00:11:31.170 --> 00:11:33.150 Michael J. Gelb: And if shocking but.
00:11:34.410 --> 00:11:54.720 Michael J. Gelb: I was looking for solutions, plus it was also look I grew up, I was born, seven years after World War Two it ended and the the main historical imprint that I grew up with was the Holocaust and the sense of how could there be any meaning in life.
00:11:55.800 --> 00:12:05.010 Michael J. Gelb: When something so horrific had taken place, unfortunately, I read man's search for meaning by Viktor frankl.
00:12:05.100 --> 00:12:06.360 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yes, when I.
00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:17.910 Michael J. Gelb: was a teenager and that book changed my life got me interested in the notion if Viktor frankl could find meaning and purpose in the midst of the most.
00:12:18.420 --> 00:12:28.740 Michael J. Gelb: difficult circumstances imaginable, then how can all of us who are blessed with much more comfortable circumstances make life meaningful and purposeful.
00:12:29.340 --> 00:12:40.920 Michael J. Gelb: And the key to that was understanding more about the psyche my mom was a psychologist my dad was an oral surgeon, they were affectionately known as mental and dental.
00:12:43.260 --> 00:12:44.880 Michael J. Gelb: Because of them I also grew up with.
00:12:45.450 --> 00:12:48.390 Michael J. Gelb: It never occurred to me to go into business.
00:12:49.680 --> 00:12:59.910 Michael J. Gelb: I only ever thought about something in the healing professions and I found my way to a unique expression of the healing professions.
00:13:01.290 --> 00:13:06.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: awesome awesome very cool very cool just out of curiosity where did you grow up.
00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:13.080 Michael J. Gelb: I grew up in New Jersey, I was born in Jersey city I grew up in passaic and clifton.
00:13:13.680 --> 00:13:24.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh wow I actually lived in Jersey city for six years, I don't know if an admit to it wasn't a very good time it was it was before the gentrification and it wasn't a very good time to be in Jersey city, but.
00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:33.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm a i'm a bronx boy and i'm a native new yorker so I always sounded like you were probably close to the city, when you grow up not too far away.
00:13:34.170 --> 00:13:40.950 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: awesome okay so it's time for us to take our first break so let's take a quick break and then, when we come back.
00:13:41.370 --> 00:13:54.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: um I would love to know like what got you started in the whole realm of public speaking and what kind of got you on to the path of writing books 17 books that's quite something so i'd love to share that with my audience okay Michael.
00:13:55.050 --> 00:13:55.680 Michael J. Gelb: You bet.
00:13:56.070 --> 00:14:09.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: awesome so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, we do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm Eastern time right here on talk radio dot nyc and all over Facebook live.
00:14:09.450 --> 00:14:20.760 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So yes, Facebook live listeners if you catching us live please put your comments and questions in the comments field will will get them throughout the show so everyone, please stay tuned we'll be right back after this.
00:17:19.410 --> 00:17:37.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we're speaking today with Michael J Gallagher author of the book mastering the art of public speaking so Michael what got you first interested in public speaking it's not the kind of thing, most people go for is it.
00:17:39.060 --> 00:17:43.650 Michael J. Gelb: Well, we were discussing my growing up in New Jersey and.
00:17:44.700 --> 00:17:51.090 Michael J. Gelb: I had two younger brothers my family's Jewish Italian so two very verbal traditions.
00:17:53.430 --> 00:17:55.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And this must have been very lively at your House.
00:17:55.860 --> 00:18:09.000 Michael J. Gelb: Where you get it so remember in high school how they have most likely to succeed or best looking well I didn't win those but I did win class arguing.
00:18:11.130 --> 00:18:22.500 Michael J. Gelb: And, two years later at the say senior high school my younger brother can also one class arguing haha.
00:18:22.830 --> 00:18:24.150 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: runs in the family yeah.
00:18:24.510 --> 00:18:33.930 Michael J. Gelb: So here's you got a picture of this dinner table where everybody's talking at once, if you hesitate for a second you're cut off and interrupted.
00:18:35.520 --> 00:18:36.180 Michael J. Gelb: So.
00:18:38.370 --> 00:18:48.900 Michael J. Gelb: For graduate school, I went I was in England and I was blessed to connect with the gentleman who is a best selling author.
00:18:50.280 --> 00:19:00.990 Michael J. Gelb: And had just put together the most popular educational show in the history of British TV about the human mind and accessing our human potential.
00:19:02.190 --> 00:19:12.810 Michael J. Gelb: And he was also one of the leading public speakers in the world jetting all over us, I used to call them the James Bond of consulting fly all over the world first class.
00:19:13.410 --> 00:19:38.520 Michael J. Gelb: And he invited me to Switzerland to speak at a corporate event oh wow and it was just the coolest thing ever because these people who were twice my age gave me their full attention they asked thoughtful questions they applauded when I finished and then they started giving me money.
00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:41.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: that's the best part right.
00:19:42.870 --> 00:19:44.790 Michael J. Gelb: I said, you can really do this.
00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:50.340 Michael J. Gelb: So i've been doing it for over 40 years and.
00:19:51.030 --> 00:20:03.360 Michael J. Gelb: learn a little bit about it so that's what I put in the book mastering the art of public speaking is all of the best tips and methodologies that I have developed.
00:20:04.770 --> 00:20:07.140 Michael J. Gelb: As a professional speaker for more than 40 years.
00:20:07.230 --> 00:20:16.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful yeah I definitely want to get more into that some of your tips, so I want to ask you a couple of other questions first like 17 books, what was the first book you wrote.
00:20:17.430 --> 00:20:28.230 Michael J. Gelb: So, while I was in England, I was training in something called the Alexander technique with ISM is a methodology for developing stage presence.
00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:46.770 Michael J. Gelb: They teach it at the juilliard school they teach it at the Royal Academy of music the Royal Academy of drama it's a trade secret of professional presenters and performers, so I was involved in a three year professional training to become a teacher of the Alexander technique.
00:20:47.430 --> 00:20:53.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: that's interesting I always thought of the Alexander technique is like a body work modality.
00:20:53.490 --> 00:20:59.550 Michael J. Gelb: Well it's if you think about it, your body mind.
00:21:00.570 --> 00:21:02.130 Michael J. Gelb: Is your presence.
00:21:02.430 --> 00:21:09.960 Michael J. Gelb: Right, so if someone's on stage whether it's a corporate presentation or.
00:21:11.790 --> 00:21:21.300 Michael J. Gelb: The theater or whatever it happens to be when people are looking at you they're reading and responding to your body language, for better or for worse.
00:21:22.350 --> 00:21:24.900 Michael J. Gelb: If you are poised balanced upright.
00:21:26.310 --> 00:21:29.340 Michael J. Gelb: The audience response to you much better.
00:21:29.850 --> 00:21:33.450 Michael J. Gelb: Right I teach this I do a lot of executive coaching these days with CEOs.
00:21:33.870 --> 00:21:47.550 Michael J. Gelb: And just had this one CEO is coaching who's getting ready for a big board meeting dealing with difficult investors and the founder of the company and I watched him in a previous meeting.
00:21:48.660 --> 00:21:58.170 Michael J. Gelb: get into a bent over defensive posture kind of making self soothing gestures, in the middle of his and I said that that's.
00:21:58.770 --> 00:22:09.960 Michael J. Gelb: Whatever you say it's not coming across because your body isn't consistent with your message that i'm the leader, you can trust me and be confident in me, so I just coached him to be.
00:22:11.280 --> 00:22:17.670 Michael J. Gelb: aligned around a vertical axis have a little smile make eye contact through his zoom camera.
00:22:20.760 --> 00:22:25.140 Michael J. Gelb: and avoid the unnecessary gestures just keep his hands.
00:22:26.580 --> 00:22:29.970 Michael J. Gelb: And it was transformational his.
00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:30.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: mouth.
00:22:30.840 --> 00:22:35.250 Michael J. Gelb: He came across what he what we got him to stop doing.
00:22:36.270 --> 00:22:40.260 Michael J. Gelb: made his presence his message his leadership.
00:22:41.430 --> 00:22:56.820 Michael J. Gelb: come through in a profound powerful way so so that that's the that's what Alexander technique teaches whether you're a professional actor or a CEO or a professional or even an amateur public speaker.
00:22:57.150 --> 00:23:04.530 Michael J. Gelb: Right, so I was training as an Alexander technique teacher, which is, by the way, how I met that consultant, I was telling you about this.
00:23:04.560 --> 00:23:08.520 Michael J. Gelb: Ah mean for Alexander lessons with my teacher.
00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:18.600 Michael J. Gelb: Ah, engage me to be his Alexander technique teacher, which is why he started inviting me all over the world, and I got the chance.
00:23:18.870 --> 00:23:20.550 Michael J. Gelb: To be a speaker myself.
00:23:21.090 --> 00:23:22.920 Michael J. Gelb: And now I was doing that.
00:23:23.970 --> 00:23:26.610 Michael J. Gelb: I decided I would write a master's thesis.
00:23:27.390 --> 00:23:27.960 To help.
00:23:29.070 --> 00:23:31.710 Michael J. Gelb: Create just more.
00:23:33.150 --> 00:23:44.310 Michael J. Gelb: More clarity around what this work was because at the time, people didn't really know all that much about it, it was sort of just a trade secret of theatrical professionals.
00:23:44.730 --> 00:23:55.320 Michael J. Gelb: And since, as you might imagine, I didn't go to Medical School to get my PhD in clinical psychology my parents were thrilled that I was going to do something academic to.
00:23:56.190 --> 00:24:12.780 Michael J. Gelb: Be of this, so I wrote my master's thesis and it got published as my first book and it got translated into 16 languages and I just wrote the 40th anniversary update edition it's been in print consistently, I still get royalties.
00:24:13.050 --> 00:24:27.480 Michael J. Gelb: For wow years from my first book and we just just wrote the 40th anniversary update, which is going to come out in a couple of months as a global ebook but the the original book, this is the original.
00:24:28.020 --> 00:24:30.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: which was the title of the book.
00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:33.570 Michael J. Gelb: Body learning and introduction to the Alexander technique.
00:24:34.860 --> 00:24:36.540 Michael J. Gelb: This is what started it all.
00:24:37.050 --> 00:24:39.540 Michael J. Gelb: And then I also noticed that having written the book.
00:24:40.800 --> 00:24:43.800 Michael J. Gelb: People read the book and invited me to speak.
00:24:45.360 --> 00:24:50.370 Michael J. Gelb: So I thought, if I write more books they'll invite me to speak more.
00:24:52.470 --> 00:24:56.760 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I see I see, so the writing solid excuse to get more stage time as.
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:58.620 Michael J. Gelb: Well, it all works together.
00:24:58.950 --> 00:24:59.250 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah.
00:24:59.280 --> 00:25:06.870 Michael J. Gelb: What I realized is I have simple criteria for writing find something that i'm passionately interested in.
00:25:07.620 --> 00:25:16.200 Michael J. Gelb: That, I believe, will help other people pretty simple and I never made a commercial assessment, but I never thought right, something that will.
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:28.500 Michael J. Gelb: sell a million or make before never that that was always an afterthought why I wanted to do well, I hope it does well it's nice when it does well and and.
00:25:30.210 --> 00:25:39.120 Michael J. Gelb: You know longevity is a sign of things doing well, so when books stay in print for a long time, you know that.
00:25:40.110 --> 00:25:50.040 Michael J. Gelb: They become something that really helps people so that was my mission that was my goal, so my first book helping people for 40 years i'm excited about it, helping people for the next 40 years.
00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:51.900 Michael J. Gelb: and
00:25:53.580 --> 00:26:07.770 Michael J. Gelb: You know you mentioned how to think like Leonardo da Vinci that came out 23 years ago but it's in 25 languages and it's going strong it's against still touching me I get.
00:26:08.550 --> 00:26:19.740 Michael J. Gelb: I get emails from people around the world, saying your book changed my life somebody wrote me how to think like Leonardo da Vinci gave me everything I always wanted to teach my children but didn't have the words to say.
00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:30.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh alright so let's I was, but I was going to actually be my next question is, I did want to ask you about that book in particular um where did you come up with the title and what is that book all about.
00:26:31.590 --> 00:26:36.510 Michael J. Gelb: So I came up with the title, partly because of.
00:26:37.830 --> 00:26:40.380 Michael J. Gelb: Something i'm sure you're familiar with it's called hutzpah.
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:52.110 Michael J. Gelb: When you when you did that very nice introduction, you mentioned that I speak for y PO young Presidents organization and I had just finished a talk.
00:26:52.710 --> 00:27:04.170 Michael J. Gelb: For them in Washington DC back in the early 90s on creativity, innovation and I knew they were having one of their premier events in Florence Italia my favorite city.
00:27:05.550 --> 00:27:16.470 Michael J. Gelb: And I really wanted to get invited and the truth is Leonardo, was one of my childhood heroes, I thought he was the perfect role model for developing genius creative thinking.
00:27:17.280 --> 00:27:29.640 Michael J. Gelb: And i've always been sharing Leonardo insights in my seminars, the head of the Florence program came up to me after my session in DC he said, if we invited your Florence, what would you do I said.
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:37.680 Michael J. Gelb: How about how to think like Leonardo da Vinci, he said that I said sure, and I made it up in the next six months.
00:27:38.310 --> 00:27:50.430 Michael J. Gelb: And it really resonate I spoke about it to this group of company Presidents in in Florence in 1994 and they loved it and started inviting me to speak about it all over the world, which I still do.
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:59.400 Michael J. Gelb: I thought you know how to turn this into a book and so that became the book how to think like Leonardo da Vinci seven steps to genius every day.
00:28:00.180 --> 00:28:01.680 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I see so it's about how to.
00:28:03.210 --> 00:28:07.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Use your natural talents and be more creative and more insightful.
00:28:07.890 --> 00:28:17.100 Michael J. Gelb: Yes, well Leonardo gave specific advice to students on how to develop their creativity full human potential their consciousness.
00:28:17.310 --> 00:28:18.450 Michael J. Gelb: Their awareness.
00:28:18.750 --> 00:28:27.900 Michael J. Gelb: The art of living, so I abstracted what Leonardo told his students to do and made it accessible and contemporary language.
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:35.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: gotcha gotcha okay understood understood beautiful beautiful okay great I think that sets us up perfectly.
00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:41.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: to delve into mastering the art of public speaking, but we're going to take a break first.
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:50.640 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so, when we come back let's talk about the the genesis of this book mastering the art of public speaking and we'll take it from there.
00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:56.640 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Facebook live I do see patty from tucson checking in thanks patti glad you're with us today so.
00:28:57.180 --> 00:29:05.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Let us know, everybody else I know they're a bunch of people on the Facebook live, if you have any questions or comments, please share them we'll get to them throughout the show.
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:13.290 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity and we will be right back after these messages.
00:29:14.460 --> 00:29:17.760 and listening to talk radio nyc.
00:32:03.690 --> 00:32:19.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity so Michael you've been speaking for 40 years you love it you enjoy it you've written a bunch of different books, why did you finally decide to write a book on mastering the art of public speaking.
00:32:20.850 --> 00:32:26.040 Michael J. Gelb: Well, actually, I wrote it originally in 1988.
00:32:27.450 --> 00:32:49.770 Michael J. Gelb: In 1988 I published a book called present yourself captivate your audience with great presentation skills and I wrote it because my first book came out in 1981 and even though it was a challenging experience to actually translated from thesis to book.
00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:58.710 Michael J. Gelb: you've just been through it so it's it's quite an experience to give birth to that first one yeah ultimately I felt.
00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:08.550 Michael J. Gelb: I learned a tremendous amount, and I was in the process of discovering my own voice as an author and I thought Okay, what do I want to what do I know about.
00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:24.420 Michael J. Gelb: That could help other people and I thought, because at that point i've been a professional public speaker for about 10 years and I thought well i've learned quite a bit about this and I have a lot to offer, so I wrote a book called present yourself.
00:33:25.890 --> 00:33:29.580 Michael J. Gelb: And it stayed in print for 30 years.
00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:31.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: um wow.
00:33:31.710 --> 00:33:40.350 Michael J. Gelb: It got the publishing company that originally published it got bought and then it got bought again so in the course of that time it lost.
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:55.080 Michael J. Gelb: The publishing sponsorship that it needed and, ultimately, I was able to get the rights back ah OK, so, then I went to my new publisher super publisher new world library.
00:33:55.410 --> 00:33:55.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: mm hmm.
00:33:56.280 --> 00:34:00.030 Michael J. Gelb: And they had published my previous book called the art of connection.
00:34:00.750 --> 00:34:07.770 Michael J. Gelb: Just about building relationships, one on one with others, which is a key element of course of leadership.
00:34:09.120 --> 00:34:11.760 Michael J. Gelb: And I thought, once you learn that.
00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:22.830 Michael J. Gelb: Then it's great if you can build that connection with groups of people so that's public speaking, and I was able to get the rights back to present yourself, and then I thought.
00:34:23.850 --> 00:34:28.830 Michael J. Gelb: let's i've learned a lot in the last 30 years haha.
00:34:28.950 --> 00:34:30.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah, of course, of course.
00:34:30.750 --> 00:34:39.600 Michael J. Gelb: it's really a new book it's a new book there's some of the material from present yourself but i've learned fortunately a lot in 30 years, so I.
00:34:40.830 --> 00:34:51.660 Michael J. Gelb: power that all into mastering the art of public speaking and what it really is is now the art of connection and mastering their public speaking are like a two volume.
00:34:53.010 --> 00:34:53.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That.
00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:58.830 Michael J. Gelb: they're really that could be one major book, but it said, there are these two.
00:34:59.970 --> 00:35:01.890 Michael J. Gelb: very complimentary books.
00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:16.590 Michael J. Gelb: that are designed to help anyone build their network strengthen your relationships, be a more effective communicator be more influential get your message across.
00:35:17.040 --> 00:35:25.560 Michael J. Gelb: Whether you're a professional and aspiring professional or you just want to be more influential and effective in your everyday life.
00:35:26.010 --> 00:35:40.350 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right right and it doesn't really matter like what you do to make a living or or how you do it the better, you are at presenting yourself in public, the more you'll excel in whatever it is that you're working at.
00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:52.650 Michael J. Gelb: One of my clients is a fabulous company based in New Jersey, is a global company now it's called hilleman consulting they do environmental consulting.
00:35:53.730 --> 00:36:02.460 Michael J. Gelb: They help people remediate mold and as best as best this and construction risk management they're great great company they're.
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:13.470 Michael J. Gelb: In the ink fastest growing companies in America and they're constantly named to america's best places to best workplaces new york's best workplace New Jersey best workplace.
00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:27.240 Michael J. Gelb: fabulous fabulous company in a very practical material world business but I work with them every month we meet, we have the hilleman consulting public speaking club.
00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:48.090 Michael J. Gelb: Because if you're an environmental engineer you trained to be a great engineer, but in order for our for hilleman to flourish, you have to be able to communicate to clients, you have to be able to inspire our engineers internally and get them aligned to get the job done so.
00:36:49.350 --> 00:36:59.370 Michael J. Gelb: We we teach the art mastering the art of public speaking to people who may never be speaking to big groups or on big stages.
00:37:00.060 --> 00:37:16.560 Michael J. Gelb: But who just want to get their message across to the workers on a job site, for example, or to get clients to engage us so we get the business, so the principles of effective communication are the same, whatever the contacts.
00:37:17.850 --> 00:37:24.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right and a lot of it also is about how we feel just about ourselves that, when we develop that skill, I know for myself.
00:37:25.740 --> 00:37:32.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I first started doing public speaking when I was in college, a friend invited me to a meeting of the speech and debate team.
00:37:32.730 --> 00:37:40.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I love the coach he was just this fun guy friend your dad Oh, I still remember him loved him and I started doing it because I wanted to hang out with them.
00:37:41.130 --> 00:37:47.250 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And it grew and when I graduated it's really interesting that the engineering group because.
00:37:47.760 --> 00:38:01.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I joined toastmasters group after I graduated college called the basket toastmasters from this company Tabasco that used to meet on the 96th floor of World Trade Center many, many years ago and they were an engineering company.
00:38:02.970 --> 00:38:13.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But the people who came to the group were because I was working downtown at the time, you know we're all people kind of in the area wasn't just for people at the company so it's kind of funny to hear that.
00:38:13.500 --> 00:38:18.270 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You don't you don't think about engineering companies really being that interested in public speaking usually.
00:38:19.290 --> 00:38:26.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I want to bring things kind of up to date, because many public speakers I know speakers and trainers.
00:38:26.550 --> 00:38:35.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: A year ago, their world got completely up at ended and disrupted, I know many people who were very successful at doing live in person.
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:43.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Either events training speaking to audiences and suddenly that went away, no more in person speaking.
00:38:44.040 --> 00:38:59.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So how can we take the principles in your book and now apply them like to speaking to this little tiny screen in this little tiny camera, how do we How do people learn to adapt and adjust to make things more appropriate for this new environment.
00:39:00.060 --> 00:39:05.280 Michael J. Gelb: Well, like you said it didn't happen to us it happened for us haha.
00:39:06.030 --> 00:39:08.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely absolutely so.
00:39:08.190 --> 00:39:18.480 Michael J. Gelb: So, because that was me, I mean I had programs booked all over the world, and over the years i've made a lot of money as a professional speaker in cancellation fees, because they always put that in the contract.
00:39:18.570 --> 00:39:21.000 Michael J. Gelb: Ah, this was a forest mature.
00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:32.550 Michael J. Gelb: So no cancellation fees, this was all of that gone, I have not been on a plane for the longest period in my adult life it's now 14 months.
00:39:33.120 --> 00:39:34.320 Michael J. Gelb: wow and.
00:39:35.640 --> 00:39:40.860 Michael J. Gelb: I was blessed because i'd already set up way before the pandemic i'd set up.
00:39:42.600 --> 00:39:44.700 Michael J. Gelb: executive leadership coaching on zoom.
00:39:45.150 --> 00:39:48.300 Michael J. Gelb: So I was working with my clients, one on one on zoom.
00:39:49.080 --> 00:40:00.180 Michael J. Gelb: And really about a year ago this week i've been scheduled to teach a two day seminar for the masters of science in management program at the gabelli Business School.
00:40:00.900 --> 00:40:08.850 Michael J. Gelb: Okay, but the campus was closed down, so the Professor who organized that and I did it on zoo.
00:40:10.020 --> 00:40:23.850 Michael J. Gelb: We did two eight hour days back to back and we started engaging people in the chat and we had them unmute themselves and talk and we just.
00:40:24.810 --> 00:40:41.610 Michael J. Gelb: made the transition and i've been doing it ever since I taught I taught a class yesterday to honor students at at gabelli we had a fantastic time, so the other The other thing that was a blessing was that, before I sent in the final manuscript.
00:40:42.720 --> 00:40:54.090 Michael J. Gelb: of mastering the art of public speaking, it was evident that there was going to be this shift to these virtual modalities for the foreseeable future.
00:40:55.590 --> 00:41:13.380 Michael J. Gelb: The good, so I went through the whole book and I read it, how do I translate this to people who are attempting to figure out how to present in a virtual modality and the really good news is, I did not have to change anything.
00:41:14.850 --> 00:41:18.510 Michael J. Gelb: except to say that everything in the book is even more important.
00:41:19.350 --> 00:41:20.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Well it's.
00:41:20.190 --> 00:41:29.610 Michael J. Gelb: If you're if you're two dimensional it's even more important, so one of the things I teach you if let's say you're about to go give a keynote the biggest keynote i've given live is 9000 people.
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: wow awesome.
00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:33.780 Michael J. Gelb: Okay, so and before that.
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:43.530 Michael J. Gelb: presentation I get into that hole and before anybody walks in I I stand in the Center of the stage and I.
00:41:44.880 --> 00:42:00.210 Michael J. Gelb: extend my sense of presence sense of loving welcome to all the people are going to come into the space, and I really tuned into how I can help them the most in the time I have with them well I do the same thing.
00:42:00.600 --> 00:42:01.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When i'm.
00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:15.720 Michael J. Gelb: I did a webinar jam with people from Australia Singapore Europe the west coast all over so I just tuned into people all over the planet and.
00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:26.010 Michael J. Gelb: You just do it in your imagination do it energetically, if you want to think about it as spiritual that's fine too, but whatever way you want to think about it.
00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:39.780 Michael J. Gelb: Just do it, because then people sense that you're there to help them that you're carrying that there's a purpose and a reason for the time they're going to spend with you.
00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:45.930 Michael J. Gelb: That you're not just there as my grandpa jack used to say when he worked in the rag trade in the lower East side of New York.
00:42:46.290 --> 00:42:47.130 Michael J. Gelb: you're not there to.
00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:52.380 Michael J. Gelb: sell them a bill of goods there to make their lives better any way you can.
00:42:52.650 --> 00:42:57.210 Michael J. Gelb: Right and and and if that's not why you're doing what you're doing then do something else.
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:03.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely we're not here to sell schmuck that's right.
00:43:05.730 --> 00:43:20.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: All right, I have a million questions for you, what i'd love to do when we come back on, especially since you know I run this network, I told the other hosts hey you want to tune into this show today so to maybe give us some tips, of how to be our best way of presenting to other people.
00:43:21.720 --> 00:43:27.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I just see on the Facebook live patty says that she used humor to catch the attention of cuz.
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:45.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Cosmetology students ages 17 through 40 so using humor is always a good idea, she says, I always feared public speaking, especially when lobbying as she's very active so it's interesting right many people, they say that.
00:43:46.650 --> 00:43:51.960 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We are more afraid of public speaking, then we are of like nuclear war and death.
00:43:54.060 --> 00:44:05.820 Michael J. Gelb: So what that means is it's true in the book of less public speaking is the number one fear death is seventh on the list means the average person would rather be dead and buried in the casket and have to give the eulogy.
00:44:06.180 --> 00:44:09.300 Michael J. Gelb: right here that way you get the eulogy.
00:44:09.750 --> 00:44:11.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I much rather give the eulogy.
00:44:12.660 --> 00:44:25.350 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Alright, so we're gonna take a quick break when we come back some great tips on learn from his 40 years we're talking with Michael J Gallagher author of the new book mastering the art of public speaking and we'll be right back.
00:46:44.310 --> 00:46:58.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity so Michael in your book, you have such chapters as in order to flow think like a pro empathize with your audience use mind maps.
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:12.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: All businesses show business cultivate your body language and I love this one if the Buddha gave sales presentation so so tell us what you see as.
00:47:12.810 --> 00:47:26.550 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The biggest tips for people who do this kind of stuff for a living or who have a podcast or do a show or anybody who's using their voice in some way, what do you see, as some of the.
00:47:27.690 --> 00:47:30.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: biggest things to be aware of.
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:33.690 Michael J. Gelb: Well it's all of those things.
00:47:36.060 --> 00:47:36.600 Michael J. Gelb: and
00:47:39.450 --> 00:47:40.410 Michael J. Gelb: we'll start with.
00:47:41.670 --> 00:47:59.520 Michael J. Gelb: One of the simplest, most actionable tips from the book that can change everything, because people want to improve their body language they want to prove the clarity of their speaking the.
00:48:01.050 --> 00:48:03.660 Michael J. Gelb: Some nervousness of their voice.
00:48:05.910 --> 00:48:06.750 Michael J. Gelb: They want.
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:14.730 Michael J. Gelb: to interact with and connect to the audience and use humor and engage.
00:48:17.430 --> 00:48:19.560 Michael J. Gelb: Yet there's one fundamental.
00:48:20.610 --> 00:48:25.590 Michael J. Gelb: That makes a tremendous difference to your ability to do all of that.
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.120 Michael J. Gelb: And that is to be really clear.
00:48:31.230 --> 00:48:33.120 Michael J. Gelb: about why you're speaking to them.
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.740 Michael J. Gelb: To be really clear about what is your message.
00:48:41.190 --> 00:48:45.270 Michael J. Gelb: Right and to frame your presentation.
00:48:47.130 --> 00:48:48.630 Michael J. Gelb: In terms of.
00:48:50.010 --> 00:48:56.850 Michael J. Gelb: The effect, you wish to have on that particular audience and then.
00:48:58.110 --> 00:48:59.040 Michael J. Gelb: To translate.
00:49:00.120 --> 00:49:02.100 Michael J. Gelb: Your thinking about intention.
00:49:04.410 --> 00:49:09.810 Michael J. Gelb: To three things that you will write down before every presentation or podcast.
00:49:11.610 --> 00:49:15.300 Michael J. Gelb: What do I want the audience to know specifically.
00:49:16.590 --> 00:49:18.210 Michael J. Gelb: How do I want them to feel.
00:49:19.650 --> 00:49:22.680 Michael J. Gelb: And what do I want them to do as a result of my presentation.
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:37.560 Michael J. Gelb: So notice that we're focused on the audience people get into trouble when they focus too much on themselves it's not it's about them so who's the audience and what do I want them to know specifically and the.
00:49:37.620 --> 00:49:41.640 Michael J. Gelb: Right guidance, there is the classic acronym kiss.
00:49:42.660 --> 00:49:44.520 Michael J. Gelb: Keep it simple speaker.
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:47.460 Michael J. Gelb: Keep it simple speaker.
00:49:48.570 --> 00:49:58.200 Michael J. Gelb: So don't attempt to cover 137 find point one what's The one thing you want to make sure they remember.
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:16.500 Michael J. Gelb: Maybe rethink maximum seven things that's it nobody's gonna remember more than that anyway right, so if there's one thing at the end of the session you want them to get what is it write it down, how do you want it to feel because people buy on emotion and they justify with that.
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:27.870 Michael J. Gelb: Right so focus on the heart emotions are contagious, for better or for worse So what do you want to spread and then specifically what do you want them to do.
00:50:28.560 --> 00:50:41.760 Michael J. Gelb: or stop doing as a result of your presentation and when you think those things through and write them down before every presentation organizes your nervous system, you don't get distracted you don't get as nervous you don't say.
00:50:42.870 --> 00:50:47.070 Michael J. Gelb: blah blah blah as much your focus, because you know why you're doing it.
00:50:48.600 --> 00:50:57.930 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right right perfect and it's so interesting because when I ever whenever I see somebody doing a show or a podcast or talk.
00:50:59.910 --> 00:51:05.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I can always tell when they're not focused on the audience.
00:51:06.150 --> 00:51:20.640 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because you notice the audience starts to drift I start to drift I get uninterested in what they're saying, because it's not relevant to me or to them, and so I love that idea of.
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:29.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What do you want them to know what do you want them to feel and what do you want them to do to really be so focused on your audience.
00:51:30.780 --> 00:51:48.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And i've coached many people in the past how, especially when they have a Co host when they do a show with someone else that the host and the co host they start talking to each other about things they find interesting, but the audience could care less.
00:51:50.400 --> 00:52:04.710 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And then it becomes something like you, you feel you're listening in on someone's phone conversation, and it doesn't have any relevance to you so it's always about the audience where where do you want to take them, what do you want them to know feel do.
00:52:05.160 --> 00:52:24.270 Michael J. Gelb: And part of finding the right kind of audience for you is finding a balance between what you would spontaneously get passionate about in talking to a Co host that an audience would find helpful for them so i'm.
00:52:26.250 --> 00:52:33.870 Michael J. Gelb: A home chef and i've been cooking for years i'm also passionate about wine.
00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:39.840 Michael J. Gelb: And really every single night for the last year I cooked an amazing dinner.
00:52:41.010 --> 00:52:43.680 Michael J. Gelb: Why cuz there's nowhere else to go and nothing else to do.
00:52:44.010 --> 00:52:45.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: right but.
00:52:46.050 --> 00:52:54.180 Michael J. Gelb: Pre pandemic and as soon as things open up we'll go back to having dinner parties which we do and.
00:52:55.470 --> 00:53:03.060 Michael J. Gelb: My guests, I I know they're not just being polite because they they asked when they can come back.
00:53:04.560 --> 00:53:05.100 Michael J. Gelb: About.
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.620 Michael J. Gelb: The Food and the wine.
00:53:10.680 --> 00:53:11.190 Michael J. Gelb: But I.
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:12.420 Michael J. Gelb: What I like to eat.
00:53:13.890 --> 00:53:14.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:18.270 Michael J. Gelb: cook what I like to eat I tune into.
00:53:19.710 --> 00:53:33.420 Michael J. Gelb: I have gustatory and olfactory vivid memory and the ability to project what what it's going to smell like and tastes like look like and I check it against what I know i'm going to love.
00:53:34.560 --> 00:53:39.060 Michael J. Gelb: And then the only modifications, I make them there's okay does anybody have a dietary.
00:53:39.060 --> 00:53:43.650 Michael J. Gelb: Concerns wife doesn't like things as spicy as I do.
00:53:44.040 --> 00:53:55.500 Michael J. Gelb: So that's what I would do, but then i'll ramp down the spices, a little bit and this person can eat whatever it is, people can eat these days or whatever okay i'll take that out and i'll add this in.
00:53:56.940 --> 00:53:58.800 Michael J. Gelb: But basically i'm cooking for myself.
00:54:00.390 --> 00:54:09.960 Michael J. Gelb: In a way, that my my guests rave about because unique they're not i'm not following somebody else's recipe.
00:54:10.530 --> 00:54:11.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:54:11.220 --> 00:54:17.130 Michael J. Gelb: Right really that's what you do as a speaker you're being true to yourself.
00:54:18.090 --> 00:54:20.070 Michael J. Gelb: Right, but always.
00:54:21.390 --> 00:54:30.870 Michael J. Gelb: In reference to the audience So if you come to my house for dinner I am watching I actually watched to see you know, do you finish it do you ask for seconds, are you being polite.
00:54:32.070 --> 00:54:34.230 Michael J. Gelb: Never lie about food it's too important, because.
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:34.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know.
00:54:35.130 --> 00:54:40.650 Michael J. Gelb: cook something for me and I don't like it night and I lie and tell you it's great you might make me eat it again.
00:54:41.340 --> 00:54:41.880 Right.
00:54:44.100 --> 00:54:49.740 Michael J. Gelb: there's this dynamic interplay between it's ultimately for the audience but.
00:54:50.820 --> 00:55:00.780 Michael J. Gelb: Ultimately, if it's if it's working it's a reflection of your own sensibilities and what's important to you and the marriage between what you care about what's important to you.
00:55:01.200 --> 00:55:16.230 Michael J. Gelb: and making that relevant to other people and the recipe for doing that in a presentation is tell stories ask questions get them engaged us examples, they can relate to.
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:18.750 Michael J. Gelb: and make it make it fun.
00:55:19.470 --> 00:55:28.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful beautiful so true so true so true lately today, this whole idea of authenticity and vulnerability is so important.
00:55:30.270 --> 00:55:47.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And if you're not making it relevant to who you're speaking to what's the point, nobody cares I have to ask you, since you brought up the the wine and I I am by once in a while i'm not a big drinker but I noticed, you have a book titled wine drinking for inspired thinking.
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:49.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: to ask you about that.
00:55:49.380 --> 00:55:50.070 Michael J. Gelb: Sure well.
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.880 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And we only got a couple of minutes left so okay sure.
00:55:54.240 --> 00:56:05.220 Michael J. Gelb: Over 40 years of leading seminars, giving presentations to groups around the world, they always asked me, can you take us through some sort of team building exercise.
00:56:06.630 --> 00:56:12.420 Michael J. Gelb: And I asked them what they've done, they said, well, we went on a ropes course or we did firewalking or.
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:27.690 Michael J. Gelb: Well that's all fine, but I led wine tasting as a team building exercise for my clients, for decades, and they just always loved it, so I wrote a book about it, why drinking for inspiring thinking uncork your creative juices.
00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:41.250 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Nice nice nice cool okay last question before of the night, I asked you about it before the show, but I figured we should then that way that symbol on your shirt okay so it's not the Flash what is it.
00:56:41.910 --> 00:56:42.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Coming from.
00:56:43.140 --> 00:56:57.960 Michael J. Gelb: This is the spark of creative imagination it's that Aha that lightning bolt of a tuning to a truly breakthrough idea and.
00:56:58.830 --> 00:57:18.330 Michael J. Gelb: that's a big part of what how to think like da Vinci, is about a lot of my work is about helping people access that spark and fan the flame so that they can really live a life that expresses their greatest passion and make a difference in the world.
00:57:18.870 --> 00:57:25.950 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Who cool okay Michael Thank you so much for coming on the show today if people want to learn more about you get in touch with you, where can they find you.
00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:34.440 Michael J. Gelb: Michael Dell COM that's G lb Michael gmail.com is probably the best place to start.
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:47.940 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful and I highly highly recommend this book we like barely barely scratched the surface mastering the art of public speaking to find it on Amazon and Barnes and Nobles I think bookstores all over the place right Michael.
00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:55.050 Michael J. Gelb: But they if they go to Michael gilt COM go to the link for books and all my books are there.
00:57:55.680 --> 00:58:02.520 Michael J. Gelb: A lot of free stuff free videos free articles and you can order all the books and all the videos and all that cool stuff.
00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:12.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful wonderful well Thank you so much, Michael I appreciate you taking the time out of your schedule to come on the show today really a pleasure to meet you and have you on the show.
00:58:12.510 --> 00:58:17.250 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And if you ever make it back to New York City, let me know i'd love to get together with you.
00:58:17.430 --> 00:58:19.380 Michael J. Gelb: that'd be great man thanks so much you're.
00:58:19.410 --> 00:58:31.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: awesome Thank you and thank you, my loyal listeners for tuning in every week, if you enjoyed this conversation, please share it with other people spread the word we're all over.
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