Rediscovering New York

Tuesday, March 9, 2021
Facebook Live Video from 2021/03/09 - The Bronx's City Island

Facebook Live Video from 2021/03/09 - The Bronx's City Island


2021/03/09 - The Bronx's City Island

[NEW EPISODE] The Bronx's City Island

On this week’s show we will visit what is one of New York’s more remote neighborhoods, but a treasure, City Island in the Bronx. My guests will be Barbara Burn Dolensek, Administrator at the City Island Nautical Museum, and Paul Klein, President of the City Island Chamber of Commerce.

Tune in for this fascinating conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

On tonight’s episode we venture out into city Island in the Bronx . Our first guest is  Barbara Burn Dolensek, she moved to city Island in 1976 with her husband; he  was the veterinarian at the Bronx zoo. Barbara has  her hands in many things. She’s on the staff of the island currently as a copy editor  and reporter, since 1985. She's been an officer of the city Island Fiffick Association since 1992 , and so much more. She is passionate about city Island and it shows. Barbara Didn’t grow up in New York. She's actually from Massachusetts. She loves the water so she got a chance to move to the Bronx because of her husband‘s position at the zoo. She fell in love with it right away. City island has been around forever but the name hasn't got its name before the civil War it was called  a number of different names before that. It was purchased because a man thought it could Compete with  New York Harbor. The Lenape people were the first people to settle  and call the island home for over 400 year.

Segment 2

Barbara is the administrator for the city Island nautical museum. Sadly They didn’t open last year because of the pandemic but they are Hoping to open in May they did a series of webinars for the past couple months. They have tours in the spring and summer and they’re hoping to continue that this year. If you want to know more information about the museum go to During the 1940s that’s one city Island got into the oyster business.Unfortunately towards the end of the century oysters became polluted, and oysters were overfished. People known as the oyster pilots would steal hundreds of oysters.

Segment 3

Our Second guess tonight is Paul Klein, President of the City Island Chamber of Commerce. Paul grew up in Baltimore After college he decided to move to New York he knew he had to live there. Paul is a jewelry designer who worked at David Yurman’s. He ended up opening his own jewelry store in the village in 1988. Paul opened another jewelry store in the city but after meeting his husband he decided to close it and open another store in city Island. Now has a gallery called Kaleidoscope Gallery. Where he sells important jewelry and different types of gemstones. He also sells local artists' work.

Segment 4

Paul is a  big part of the city Island arts and craft fair. He has permits for the first weekend of June. June 5 and 6 and September 11 and 12th. It usually brings a crowd of 50 to 60 arts and crafts people. They even have a clam chowder contest, and live music. The culture of city Island is alive and well hopefully we can all enjoy what they have to offer this season


00:00:39.300 --> 00:00:47.940 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone, welcome to our listeners in the big apple from across the US and around the world i'm Jeff Goodman, and this is rediscovering New York.

00:00:48.510 --> 00:00:53.640 Jeff Goodman: professionally i'm a real estate broker with brown Harris Stevens, but our show is not about real estate.

00:00:54.270 --> 00:00:59.220 Jeff Goodman: rediscovering New York is a weekly program about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city.

00:01:00.090 --> 00:01:08.910 Jeff Goodman: And we do it through interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists musicians and artists and the occasional elected official.

00:01:09.630 --> 00:01:15.330 Jeff Goodman: On some shows like tonight's we focus on an individual New York neighborhood exploring its history and its current energy.

00:01:15.930 --> 00:01:26.310 Jeff Goodman: What makes that particular New York neighborhood special on some shows we host programs about an interesting and vital color of the city and its history that's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:26.910 --> 00:01:35.280 Jeff Goodman: i'm prior episodes you've heard us covered topics as diverse and illuminating as American presidents who came from lived in or who are had some interesting history here in New York.

00:01:35.970 --> 00:01:40.830 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the history of women activists and the suffrage movement, the history of different immigrant communities.

00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.850 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the history of the city's LGBT community and the gay rights movement.

00:01:45.570 --> 00:01:50.760 Jeff Goodman: we've explored the history of bicycles and cycling they've been part of New York for 200 years for half of our history.

00:01:51.540 --> 00:01:56.430 Jeff Goodman: i've looked at the history of punk and opera those were separate shows, by the way, you can tell, I love both of them.

00:01:56.820 --> 00:02:02.400 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at our public library systems we have three in New York, we visited the subway public art.

00:02:03.030 --> 00:02:08.910 Jeff Goodman: Our greatest train stations and even some of our bridges, yes, everyone New York has incredible bridges amongst everything else.

00:02:09.480 --> 00:02:17.370 Jeff Goodman: After the broadcast each show is available on podcast you can hear us on apple spotify Amazon podcasts stitcher and Google podcasts.

00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:32.160 Jeff Goodman: Tonight we are going to a very special place, one that is relatively remote by some people's standards but it's one of new york's really special neighborhoods and i'm referring to city island in the bronx many new Yorkers haven't been, but I have a number of times.

00:02:33.480 --> 00:02:43.650 Jeff Goodman: My first guest is Barbara burned Atlantic Barbara moved to Sydney island in 1976 with her husband Emil dylan sick who was the veterinarian at the bronx zoo.

00:02:44.190 --> 00:02:53.340 Jeff Goodman: And she has been an active member of the city island Community for many years she has been on the staff of the island current as copy editor and reporter since 1985.

00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:04.740 Jeff Goodman: barbers an officer of the city island civic association since 1992 and a trustee and officer of the city island historical society, as well as the administrator of the nautical museum since 1995.

00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:10.920 Jeff Goodman: And she's currently an officer of the city island oyster reef it's a not for profit organization founded last year.

00:03:11.490 --> 00:03:18.000 Jeff Goodman: With the goal of restoring oyster reefs in western long island sound for the purpose of cleaning the water and reducing the risk of storm surges and flooding.

00:03:18.510 --> 00:03:27.390 Jeff Goodman: Not to mention hopefully having more oysters to eat she is also an officer of the gateway a new nonprofit aimed at opening a public access to the water on city island.

00:03:28.110 --> 00:03:40.890 Jeff Goodman: Barbara has worked for many years as an editor and writer, including 15 years at the metropolitan museum of art and she is the author of 13 books well I get such great people on the show Barbara to lend sick a hearty welcome to rediscovering New York.

00:03:41.310 --> 00:03:42.960 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Thank you for me out.

00:03:45.150 --> 00:03:46.710 Jeff Goodman: Are you from New York City originally.

00:03:47.160 --> 00:03:54.510 Barbara Burn Dolensek: No, I grew up in Massachusetts on Cape cod, in fact, where I was close to the water.

00:03:55.530 --> 00:04:05.010 Barbara Burn Dolensek: So that when my husband, when we were married and he wanted to move to the bronx the closest to the world since he was a veterinarian he was the only that.

00:04:05.310 --> 00:04:19.110 Barbara Burn Dolensek: And he had to get there in emergencies like when bears got out and stuff so he wanted to live nearby and when I came to city island I said, this is it, this is great, I never want to live in Manhattan again i'd already been in and out and for 15 years and.

00:04:20.130 --> 00:04:23.250 Barbara Burn Dolensek: The idea of living on the water was just too much to resist.

00:04:23.790 --> 00:04:29.040 Jeff Goodman: Well i've actually never heard of anyone with a phone would ring in the middle, the night it's like bare emergency one of the bears got out.

00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.140 Jeff Goodman: get your clothes on and in hurry over to to deal with the situation.

00:04:35.370 --> 00:04:39.420 Jeff Goodman: that'll be a topic for another show we we explored the bronx zoo.

00:04:40.710 --> 00:04:47.550 Jeff Goodman: First, one I asked you about the name when did city island start being called city island might be might be sooner than a lot of people think.

00:04:48.330 --> 00:05:00.030 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Oh yes, and it was just before the revolutionary war before that the island has been called Min width or minute for it had a number of different names probably based on native American words.

00:05:01.320 --> 00:05:18.330 Barbara Burn Dolensek: It was purchased by a man who decided that it could be a rival to New York harbor because people sailing down and the sound from Europe and New England and so forth oftentimes through the sound rather than the ocean.

00:05:18.960 --> 00:05:30.090 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Because it's safer and they would stop on city island don't have to pick up a TV pilot to get them down to New York Armor and he felt that it was the perfect place.

00:05:30.420 --> 00:05:39.330 Barbara Burn Dolensek: And that would be a rival to your partner, so he called it new scenario, and then the new and then got wiped out by the revolutionary war.

00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:49.410 Jeff Goodman: know so even you know it's it's interesting you look at the East river and you look at the treacherous waters and hellgate and in the days before there was any mechanized.

00:05:50.610 --> 00:05:57.750 Jeff Goodman: See transport you actually had regular shipping that would go through hell game and down the East river to come to to come to the port of New York.

00:05:58.140 --> 00:06:04.770 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Right absolutely never great stoners they came they all had to stop on Sydney island in fact to be inspected.

00:06:05.460 --> 00:06:13.200 Barbara Burn Dolensek: There was a doctor who lived here who expected over people on board, to make sure they didn't weren't carrying diseases yellow fever or whatever and.

00:06:13.770 --> 00:06:24.810 Barbara Burn Dolensek: They also examine they were what they were counting and then would alert some of the you know, like send a Western Union telegram downtown to the tribune into other.

00:06:25.530 --> 00:06:44.370 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Areas that needed to know what was coming from from abroad and so getting getting these votes, these were big box with details and getting them through it was really was really pretty difficult with tides and wind and rock thunder underwater so it was it was tough.

00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:59.040 Jeff Goodman: Well, and for those of our listeners who may not know what what pilots were in shipping seafaring captain's would get ships in boats across the ocean, but it was pilots who knew the intricacies of the currents of.

00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:06.240 Jeff Goodman: waterway of waterways and where and where the rocks were and you actually needed a pilot to.

00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:08.430 Jeff Goodman: to navigate.

00:07:10.320 --> 00:07:20.190 Jeff Goodman: safely, even today, you have pilots all over the world, you know you have you sail a ship into the Mississippi you have to pick up a pilot who can today's you from the ocean up the River up to New Orleans and to the board there.

00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:26.100 Jeff Goodman: Something I think it's important to include Barbara in the show when we look at the history of New York neighborhoods.

00:07:26.910 --> 00:07:33.870 Jeff Goodman: The people who were here before Europeans came, I mean we all like to think about New York, starting in the time, but the Dutch, but there were local people here and there were different.

00:07:35.010 --> 00:07:42.600 Jeff Goodman: You know subtribes of the monopoly tribe do we know how local to not be people live to and what would become sitting island before before the Dutch came.

00:07:43.200 --> 00:08:03.090 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Yes, very good deal with study of them, these were on the algonquin nation and they lived in this area, probably I don't know, probably for 4000 years I mean a long, long, long time they they were the ones that were originally a Manhattan and, but we know that they were in a bar this.

00:08:04.230 --> 00:08:11.880 Barbara Burn Dolensek: city island has to bridge that takes you to a to the mainland and that mainland is a is the largest park in New York City.

00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:28.980 Barbara Burn Dolensek: And people have found burial Mounds there and evidence that the Illinois pay people live, they moved their areas from place to place but they and they had markets and they had burial Mounds and so forth, but on city on and we don't think they lived on cydia.

00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:47.310 Barbara Burn Dolensek: What they there's there's evidence that they actually came there and and shit and caught fish and fish probably hunted also for deer rabbits whatever and at least, there are no rabbits left so i'm assuming that you know they were pretty good at.

00:08:49.380 --> 00:08:54.780 Barbara Burn Dolensek: called shield mittens which are in fact garbage piles full of shells and.

00:08:55.200 --> 00:09:07.020 Barbara Burn Dolensek: And we know that the the native Americans were really good at maintaining these things or histories that were off the shore because they didn't take too many they didn't dig them up, they simply removes what they needed.

00:09:07.830 --> 00:09:12.270 Barbara Burn Dolensek: But there's no evidence that they lived there there's no burial grounds or anything like that.

00:09:14.040 --> 00:09:19.020 Jeff Goodman: Well then, the Dutch came in to the area, the 16th 20th and even before.

00:09:20.310 --> 00:09:21.600 Barbara Burn Dolensek: That were very mean today.

00:09:21.930 --> 00:09:33.840 Jeff Goodman: Yes, and but there were even before the English took over new netherland in 1664 there were English settlers and English entrepreneurs who sort of.

00:09:35.610 --> 00:09:39.360 Jeff Goodman: tried to settle on the outskirts we had we had the settlements in flushing Queens.

00:09:39.630 --> 00:09:43.830 Jeff Goodman: And that also happened in 1654 on city island, who was Thomas pelle.

00:09:44.970 --> 00:09:51.690 Barbara Burn Dolensek: pelle was a physician who lived in Connecticut but he was British originally and we understand that the British.

00:09:52.770 --> 00:10:05.880 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Government really wanted him to get a hold of as much property or much land as you could, in order to keep the Dutch under control and keep and so that the British could become the dominant.

00:10:06.660 --> 00:10:17.520 Barbara Burn Dolensek: settlers and for about 1654 for a sudden that we do not know he purchased about 50,000 acres the local enough a.

00:10:18.210 --> 00:10:29.070 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Chief and there's evidence of this there's a there's a ELISE really that that was drawn up, as I said, we don't know what he paid, but he ended up owning.

00:10:29.880 --> 00:10:48.990 Barbara Burn Dolensek: The island then called metaphors I guess or then one of the panel islands hard island, which is now on the city cemetery which is potter's wheel for New York City and there was a lot of property, so it all became English and the pills were a very dominant family for for by 150 years.

00:10:49.830 --> 00:11:00.840 Jeff Goodman: wow that was ED by my calculation at square miles that was about three times what the Dutch bought Manhattan three times the land, then when then when the Dutch point Manhattan island wow.

00:11:01.110 --> 00:11:01.320 I.

00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.420 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Thought and helped kick the Dutch out.

00:11:07.770 --> 00:11:09.660 Barbara Burn Dolensek: as well, he was a good guy.

00:11:11.880 --> 00:11:16.320 Jeff Goodman: Who was let's let's fast forward to about 100 years, who was Benjamin Palmer.

00:11:17.550 --> 00:11:34.200 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Palmer was was a relative by marriage of the family and the pels kept on putting them the island up for sale, I think they sold it to them there, because they you know, a sort of a property that was an investment.

00:11:34.680 --> 00:11:52.650 Barbara Burn Dolensek: um anyway Benjamin Palmer bought it and he had this dream of making it into, as I say, this is Brian go to New York harbor in a syndicate divided up the whole island with houses in places for houses with places for churches places for stores and all kinds of stuff.

00:11:53.730 --> 00:12:08.040 Barbara Burn Dolensek: And he had a great plan with investors to to make it a to a real town, I mean a small city, in fact, but it all came on staff because in October 1776.

00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:18.000 Barbara Burn Dolensek: The British invaded the Robin snack, which is a felony park it's now the firing range, but the police were not there at that point.

00:12:18.450 --> 00:12:26.280 Barbara Burn Dolensek: And so the British wanted to head off to George Washington at the past he had last long island, the last.

00:12:26.970 --> 00:12:37.410 Barbara Burn Dolensek: brooklyn the last Manhattan he was on his way to fly planes to meet up with the rest of this truth and the printer stuff they could they could head him off, and so they came ashore.

00:12:37.980 --> 00:12:41.910 Barbara Burn Dolensek: But weren't able to do that, because of the angle, Colonel john glover.

00:12:42.570 --> 00:12:54.150 Barbara Burn Dolensek: who had a bunch of patriots, and they managed to use a ruler tactics to keep them from coming ashore keep the British and there were many thousands of brothers listening sessions, I believe, at that point actually.

00:12:54.690 --> 00:13:00.450 Barbara Burn Dolensek: On the problem was that if they did a lot of damage on the city island and they they took.

00:13:02.370 --> 00:13:18.690 Barbara Burn Dolensek: People you know they they just made a complete mess, and so the whole idea of new city island was given up and people just started moving here, instead of women in a small way, until it fell on your creatures and.

00:13:20.850 --> 00:13:30.660 Jeff Goodman: we're going to take a break in a minute, but I wanted to ask you, first when would city, I went to city island start becoming more settled was it right after the war was it into the 19th century.

00:13:31.020 --> 00:13:43.500 Barbara Burn Dolensek: pretty much when it became part of pelham at the end of the night of the end of the 18th century, then people started moving here, there was a man named George Washington important.

00:13:44.190 --> 00:13:55.800 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Tom was kind of sideways pelham and he bought 40 acres of the southern part of the island, then there's Horton street now the out of hell gate pilot.

00:13:56.220 --> 00:14:00.780 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Of son of so forth, and so many people thought properties.

00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:11.670 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Family name schofield were farmers i'm Peter Cooper Cooper Union wanted to have a tannery there, so he he bought some property and his his.

00:14:12.030 --> 00:14:20.280 Barbara Burn Dolensek: brother started assault evaporation process but they both left because they couldn't get their goods to market there's no bridge, so they left.

00:14:21.060 --> 00:14:34.590 Barbara Burn Dolensek: But orange for them was from Connecticut and he came and decided that he could plant oysters and build up the oyster least into a huge business which it became by the.

00:14:37.050 --> 00:14:48.090 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Western was flow, it was a study on this all over the world and the oil business was was what made million people live here.

00:14:48.990 --> 00:14:57.000 Jeff Goodman: Well we're gonna take a short break and when we come back, I want to start off with the oyster industry on we will take a short break and when we come back we'll continue our conversation.

00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:03.000 Jeff Goodman: With Bob coburn dylan sick Barbara is the administrator at the city island and nautical museum we'll be back in a moment.

00:17:58.860 --> 00:18:05.610 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone you're back to our episode on sitting island, this is rediscovering New York on our episode number 105.

00:18:06.090 --> 00:18:11.760 Jeff Goodman: My first guest is Barbara burned Atlantic Barbara is the administrator for the sea city island nautical museum.

00:18:12.390 --> 00:18:17.610 Jeff Goodman: i'm Barbara before we talk more a little bit about the history of Seattle, and I want to ask you about the museum.

00:18:18.570 --> 00:18:29.520 Jeff Goodman: Obviously you cover the city islands medical history is there any kind of special programming that you have where that you might reinstitute in the springs I know the museum's closed in the wintertime.

00:18:30.930 --> 00:18:39.030 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Well, when we actually never even opened up all last year being you know, obviously, because of the pandemic, we are hoping to reel in.

00:18:39.570 --> 00:18:51.930 Barbara Burn Dolensek: In May, and may be earlier, we did a series of webinars in January, February and on things like the america's cup since america's cup defenders yachts were built here on city island.

00:18:52.320 --> 00:19:03.180 Barbara Burn Dolensek: While the boat building industry was active, it is not now, unfortunately, because we never read tools for fiberglass or whatever it is they're using to make them not just focus now.

00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:13.980 Barbara Burn Dolensek: and also about partnering and we had a number of webinars and we're hoping to continue that in shuffle through the year for of our.

00:19:15.540 --> 00:19:16.110 Barbara Burn Dolensek: More.

00:19:19.500 --> 00:19:35.910 Barbara Burn Dolensek: scalable much beyond city island we loved in a visitor, we often have tourists that come to city island during the summertime and springs school groups Tom but obviously we haven't been able to do that so we're trying to think of all kinds of clever things to do in the meantime.

00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:48.900 Jeff Goodman: While i'm looking forward to taking advantage of that I love tours, in fact, one of my programs is I host walking towards not on the radio I do that for my real estate business what How can people get in touch with with you in the city island article museum what's your URL.

00:19:49.860 --> 00:20:00.780 Barbara Burn Dolensek: would go to www city or, if you want to send an email send it to info at city island museum dog or.

00:20:02.580 --> 00:20:04.440 Jeff Goodman: let's go back to the oyster into.

00:20:05.100 --> 00:20:06.450 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Facebook sorry.

00:20:06.660 --> 00:20:09.360 Jeff Goodman: Oh great a Facebook page as well, yes.

00:20:10.380 --> 00:20:12.870 Barbara Burn Dolensek: museum, with thousands of photographs yeah.

00:20:14.040 --> 00:20:16.830 Jeff Goodman: When did the oyster industry take off and city island.

00:20:17.790 --> 00:20:31.170 Barbara Burn Dolensek: i'm from the 1840s I think it really started to become a big deal and I they estimated that there were probably men as many as 60 people on city island that could be considered the equivalent of millionaires now because.

00:20:31.770 --> 00:20:42.420 Barbara Burn Dolensek: This was one industry, where you did not need a bridge to get your goods to market in simply sail down to fulton fish market and and sold and they're.

00:20:43.590 --> 00:20:52.860 Barbara Burn Dolensek: On board unfortunately toward the end of the century, the oysters became polluting the water was polluted the oysters were overfished.

00:20:54.360 --> 00:20:57.090 Barbara Burn Dolensek: city islanders went out to places like oh Easter.

00:20:58.410 --> 00:21:08.100 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Island steel oysters and they became known as the oyster pilots and it was so lovely the New York Times, which used to reading like a scandal sleeping all day, but in any event.

00:21:08.610 --> 00:21:14.610 Barbara Burn Dolensek: They city islanders down turn the boat building they had been building oyster skiffs or Easter swoops.

00:21:15.570 --> 00:21:30.570 Barbara Burn Dolensek: oyster schooners and so eventually both the legal became a huge industry here and that's the reason that New York City wanted to take city, I, on the way from someone because we were you know, a big deal.

00:21:31.620 --> 00:21:41.910 Barbara Burn Dolensek: They we had built a bridge here one of the shipyards built a bridge of the timbers from the USS North Carolina, which was a decommissioned battleship.

00:21:42.390 --> 00:21:55.290 Barbara Burn Dolensek: And so, this bridge was there was a toll bridge, I think it costs five cents to go across it but it's a busy rotted at some point, and so, when we became part of New York City New York.

00:21:55.830 --> 00:22:06.450 Barbara Burn Dolensek: city immediately built a steel bridge which was in place until until Bloomberg decided that needed to be taken away and replaced by another one, and then.

00:22:07.560 --> 00:22:23.400 Barbara Burn Dolensek: There was a bill school, which was in fact our third school here they built they did a sanitary system eventually your in your city really did a lot of good for city island, but it also increased people coming there so.

00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:30.750 Jeff Goodman: which I do want to ask you about in a in a in a couple of minutes so you're On your third bridge now actually I thought it was the second one.

00:22:34.020 --> 00:22:35.910 Jeff Goodman: When did the shipbuilding industry start.

00:22:37.560 --> 00:22:44.370 Barbara Burn Dolensek: The oldest ship here that we know was built was actually there's images of it in 1866.

00:22:44.880 --> 00:23:01.200 Barbara Burn Dolensek: i'm a man named David Carl bill, the local episcopal church he built the bridge, then I talked about the first bridge and he also a belt magic rebuilt magic, which was the first boat to successfully defend the honor.

00:23:02.250 --> 00:23:10.260 Barbara Burn Dolensek: And the bill huge other boats, I mean he was incredibly important a shipbuilder of the time it was from long island.

00:23:10.770 --> 00:23:18.570 Barbara Burn Dolensek: But, slowly but surely other ship vendors came lot neighbors these were wooden boats, so the lots of European.

00:23:19.080 --> 00:23:30.690 Barbara Burn Dolensek: carpenters and a specialists and working with wood, on pain to live here and work here at the many shipyards, I think, at one point, we probably had 25 active both areas here.

00:23:31.080 --> 00:23:42.270 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Building mostly yes, mostly but also come over boats and during the war during the Second World War and the Korean War minesweepers were built here and PT boats and a lot of.

00:23:44.370 --> 00:23:46.290 Barbara Burn Dolensek: great number of military vessels.

00:23:46.860 --> 00:23:53.100 Jeff Goodman: That was something that something I didn't know that you generally don't think of city island is a place where they built ships for the war effort.

00:23:53.340 --> 00:24:07.290 Barbara Burn Dolensek: that's right that's right i'm still making was the other part, there were five salinger's here that that huge business there's one lab, although a couple of the others are still in business, but not on city.

00:24:08.790 --> 00:24:15.750 Jeff Goodman: Well, one both that was built that I found the name interesting was was the baby bootlegger what was the baby bootlegger oh.

00:24:16.350 --> 00:24:23.730 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Really, I think it's just a personal motorboat but city island was Yes, they said they'd be tracked and people tourist of all kinds and.

00:24:24.030 --> 00:24:41.610 Barbara Burn Dolensek: During prohibition, you know the restaurants just took their signs down and serve drinks and so sea islanders got into a lot of trouble with the Federal agents and so forth, but also the vocal cords belt, you know both both both from Canada and Europe.

00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:46.740 Barbara Burn Dolensek: You know that became that became part of the business.

00:24:47.040 --> 00:24:54.750 Jeff Goodman: We can thank the secret company for that one big purveyors to the united the northern United States of spirits during during prohibition.

00:24:55.200 --> 00:25:05.130 Jeff Goodman: When was sitting island first used as a destination for people to actually go to to recreate it as opposed to to exclusively you know work there and live there and make the living.

00:25:05.310 --> 00:25:08.220 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Not not counting the native Americans, of course, yeah.

00:25:09.600 --> 00:25:22.710 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Actually early on, it was at the turn of the 20th century, there were hotels all over the place and find beaches, where you can pay the thumb and you could you could.

00:25:23.370 --> 00:25:34.110 Barbara Burn Dolensek: eat at the local restaurant and go to the beach it's it was a destination, I think that construction of the first sprint and the construction of the second steel bridge.

00:25:34.890 --> 00:25:49.920 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Suddenly opened up city island to to tourism witches remain, to this day there's a huge resort down at the end of the island built by men and William bell done, who was scared out of Wall Street, because he he was a.

00:25:50.940 --> 00:26:06.510 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Part of black Friday and so he's been because of the scandal, so we filled a hotel on city I on and and it was belden point that this doesn't fall for his name, even though he was rather a horrible man um.

00:26:06.900 --> 00:26:16.440 Jeff Goodman: One thing I found interesting reading about the history of city island is there was an unusual method of public transportation it wasn't a trolley but a monorail how long was that, therefore.

00:26:18.120 --> 00:26:24.000 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Only ran for about four years, because on its first go in 1910 it fell over.

00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:35.940 Barbara Burn Dolensek: people that are in it, you know, nobody was killed, but you know it was it was sort of embarrassing on their hand that that it was built by August oh my junior school first.

00:26:36.450 --> 00:26:48.870 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Property city island and his boat was taken care of here and so forth, but he um he built this some way the broadway some way, on the basis of a franchise that he bought from the local.

00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:58.050 Barbara Burn Dolensek: The local stage coach so he was the one who said oh I love I love the idea of a monorail let's build one, so we did.

00:26:59.340 --> 00:27:01.140 Barbara Burn Dolensek: And not too many people took it.

00:27:02.520 --> 00:27:14.250 Jeff Goodman: Well, I want to move to an interesting industry that most people if you say city island they wouldn't even know that city island had a substantial part of the early history of, and that was filmmaking.

00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.270 Jeff Goodman: You want to talk about the the filmmaking industry and city island in the early days.

00:27:18.870 --> 00:27:32.550 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Well, the sun movies were a big business here, partly because the owner of the stage coverage was an edge carry his sons Harry Carey who used to run the horses in.

00:27:33.540 --> 00:27:42.360 Barbara Burn Dolensek: The park and legally Griffin and eventually they went into business together out in California, but while Harry Carey was still living on city anyone.

00:27:42.660 --> 00:27:51.660 Barbara Burn Dolensek: He made a number of silent movies, here, the one that he was most involved with the most famous one is was Richard the third shakespeare's play.

00:27:52.350 --> 00:28:01.350 Barbara Burn Dolensek: With a Shakespearean actor they filmed it's the it's the oldest still have five meals that's a feature length film.

00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:08.580 Barbara Burn Dolensek: that's in existence now and it was all the interior shots were filmed in the carry house basement.

00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:27.360 Barbara Burn Dolensek: The outdoor scenes were done in new Rochelle but Harry Carey was part of part of what made that happen and the city, I live, because it doesn't look like New York City it's been everything except except city island right fault her for a long time.

00:28:28.470 --> 00:28:44.100 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Because you know my house was used for long day's journey and tonight 1960 it was also used for Royal tenenbaums on, there are numerous other places on the island that PIC because it looks like naming of Maryland or any place that.

00:28:46.170 --> 00:28:54.840 Jeff Goodman: we're almost at a time it's you know, even though we have almost 25 minutes for each segment that the time goes so fast when there's all this fascinating history and people who are passionate.

00:28:55.290 --> 00:29:03.030 Jeff Goodman: About about the things that they love to talk about and that the experience I want to ask you two quick questions when would we begin to see the restaurants and the other.

00:29:03.300 --> 00:29:09.120 Jeff Goodman: Commercial businesses on the island, mostly along city island avenue that we see there today when When did they start to develop.

00:29:10.110 --> 00:29:23.460 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Oh well, they were always there were always restaurants here, as I said, restaurants and hotels and so forth, but it became a big deal I think i'm probably in the in the early part of the 20th century and it's gotten.

00:29:24.540 --> 00:29:25.290 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Probably there.

00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:34.140 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Nobody closed down during the pandemic, I mean they you know we continue to support them by doing take down.

00:29:35.250 --> 00:29:39.150 Barbara Burn Dolensek: A lot of people, you know came here anyway because it's nice to be on city.

00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:48.630 Jeff Goodman: or decidedly I grew up in sheepshead Bay in brooklyn and Ralph and I go where we have a car at our disposal, we we go to city island and I really want to recommend.

00:29:49.260 --> 00:29:55.050 Jeff Goodman: Too many new Yorkers who actually may not know about it it's probably new york's best kept secret neighborhood It really is wonderful you.

00:29:55.320 --> 00:30:07.380 Jeff Goodman: you'd get to drive up there, you make some turns you go across the bridge and you've got an abundance of really great restaurants, one of the things I want to ask you, before you go Barbara what's the difference between a clan digger and the muscle sucker.

00:30:08.910 --> 00:30:18.030 Barbara Burn Dolensek: A clam digger is somebody who was actually born on the island, or maybe in a hospital if your parents lived on the island, my sound is the claim bigger.

00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:21.750 Barbara Burn Dolensek: I moved here from elsewhere.

00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:27.120 Barbara Burn Dolensek: Everybody here hates this that terminology, but.

00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:43.350 Barbara Burn Dolensek: When the when the movie city island was made it was explained to the world at large, what those two terms man and you Google muscle sucker in those days and 20 times the first 20 entries world.

00:30:45.330 --> 00:30:48.930 Jeff Goodman: Well, I didn't know that until you told me about it when we first spoke, two weeks ago.

00:30:49.770 --> 00:30:57.030 Jeff Goodman: Barbara burn dylan said Thank you so much for being the first guest on this episode about city island a very special neighborhood in the bronx in New York City.

00:30:57.780 --> 00:31:09.570 Jeff Goodman: Our first guest has been Barbara burn two lenses she's the administrator for the city island article museum we're going to take a short break and when we come back, we are going to speak with our second guest will be back in a moment.

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00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:14.070 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest on our program about city island is Paul climb Paul is the President of the city island chamber of commerce.

00:35:14.700 --> 00:35:24.120 Jeff Goodman: Originally from baltimore he graduated from the University of Maryland in a degree in business studies, with a focus on jewelry design and creation and move to New York City in 1979.

00:35:25.050 --> 00:35:31.350 Jeff Goodman: Starting his career at David German designs as production manager and finley fine jewelry is a buyer of pearls and gold jewelry.

00:35:31.770 --> 00:35:38.790 Jeff Goodman: Paul opened exotica international arts in the village in 1988 and a second location on the upper West side in 1992.

00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:48.180 Jeff Goodman: He moved to Sydney island in 1994 where he opened his third location Paul closed his business and reopened as Kaleidoscope gallery in 2010.

00:35:48.660 --> 00:35:58.920 Jeff Goodman: As a cooperative gallery featuring his own jewelry design and grateful gifts artwork children's toys housewares garden decor personal care products incense oils candles and greeting cards.

00:35:59.670 --> 00:36:11.760 Jeff Goodman: Paul served on the board of temple Bethel of city island from 2007 and served as president from 2011 2021 you also served on the board of pilot cove manner from 2017 2021.

00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:25.440 Jeff Goodman: Paul joined the board of the city island Chamber of Commerce in 2001 where he still serves currently as President and he coordinates the annual spring and fall arts and crafts fairs Paul Klein, a hearty welcome to rediscovering New York.

00:36:25.860 --> 00:36:26.190 Paul Klein: Thank you.

00:36:27.390 --> 00:36:31.110 Jeff Goodman: Well you're originally from baltimore as you send us a baltimore I actually went.

00:36:32.550 --> 00:36:33.390 Paul Klein: That was impressive.

00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:39.960 Jeff Goodman: Well, I used to do business there once upon a time back from the late 80s, to the early 90s, and I know some parts of.

00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:42.930 Jeff Goodman: baltimore what what part of the city you're from.

00:36:43.830 --> 00:36:49.440 Paul Klein: Actually, the suburbs just just inside the city line from pikeville Northwest baltimore.

00:36:50.220 --> 00:36:54.960 Paul Klein: And, and I never had a baltimore accent, because my mother's British and taught us how to speak properly.

00:36:56.040 --> 00:37:08.700 Jeff Goodman: Okay well for a moment being in the tribe, I hope you might have been your corn Biafra that's a great baltimore but the way you like corn beef now um What did you move to New York after college ball.

00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:14.820 Paul Klein: Well, I have visited New York a few times in college with friends that lived in Queens and.

00:37:15.810 --> 00:37:20.130 Paul Klein: teaneck New Jersey and we just come up and I knew that I had to live in New York.

00:37:20.610 --> 00:37:34.920 Paul Klein: So I thought that what I would do is after leaving college I would move to New York for a couple years work in the jewelry industry and move back to DC and open a jewelry store didn't quite work out that way so yeah I.

00:37:35.730 --> 00:37:38.040 Jeff Goodman: gotcha and here you're here you've been trapped.

00:37:39.660 --> 00:37:42.510 Paul Klein: I wouldn't I wouldn't call anywhere else hold at this point so.

00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:51.540 Jeff Goodman: we'll look home, is where the hardest, you know, whatever one's home is um did you start designing jewelry when you took the job at TV German designs.

00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:58.050 Paul Klein: Well, actually started designing jewelry when I was probably 12 or 13 ruining some of my grandmother's silverware.

00:37:59.220 --> 00:38:06.570 Paul Klein: But other than that I took some copper wire from my father's electrical stuff and make bracelets and.

00:38:07.020 --> 00:38:14.430 Paul Klein: When I went to school I studied your design, so I was actually studying through college and looking for a job in the jewelry industry when I moved to New York.

00:38:14.850 --> 00:38:20.850 Paul Klein: and David your man was looking for production manager he didn't like my jewelry designs, but he liked the fact that I had a degree in business.

00:38:23.010 --> 00:38:31.560 Jeff Goodman: And you opened up your own store in the village in 1988 What was it that had you decide that you would go into your own business and in jewelry.

00:38:32.190 --> 00:38:41.520 Paul Klein: Well, I actually I did not go into jewelry business at the time I didn't want any conflict of interest with the jewelry company that I was a buyer for.

00:38:42.090 --> 00:38:54.810 Paul Klein: So I had met a friend of mine who had a little shop in soho it was just a kiosk basically space inside a mall and one of the big spaces and his wife found a space on Christopher street.

00:38:55.530 --> 00:39:00.930 Paul Klein: And we thought you know the REP was reasonable, and it was just a few steps down off the street.

00:39:01.740 --> 00:39:13.410 Paul Klein: So we decided to go into business together and, at the time I was traveling the world i've been to almost 30 countries, and I would pick up artwork and crafts, wherever I went and we would sell them through the store.

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:21.390 Jeff Goodman: Well, you open your first business in the village in 1988 open the second location on the upper West side in 1992.

00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:34.170 Jeff Goodman: Then, within a few years you move to what some people would think is the most far flung neighborhood city from your businesses, I have to think it was because there was something in chanting about city island, what did you move to city island.

00:39:34.830 --> 00:39:42.930 Paul Klein: Actually, I met my husband in Mr on Christopher street and he had a house on city island before that I didn't even know it exists.

00:39:43.950 --> 00:39:45.930 Jeff Goodman: Oh wow well it's a good reason to move.

00:39:48.030 --> 00:39:57.600 Jeff Goodman: You open your third business on city island, but you closed it 12 years later and opened up a new when someone different one What did you decide to close the business and open as a new one.

00:39:57.870 --> 00:40:11.760 Paul Klein: Well, the economy tanked in oh eight and we hold on for a couple of years, but it was just not working, and so I decided to close the business and do a going out of business sale, which is the best thing a business can do you make more money going into business and ever.

00:40:13.020 --> 00:40:17.490 Paul Klein: People will buy things off the wall they'll buy the carpeting though by fixtures you name it.

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:27.180 Paul Klein: And so I started this going out of business, sale and I also produced and directed to arts and crafts fairs on city island every year spring in the fall.

00:40:27.720 --> 00:40:36.630 Paul Klein: And a number of my vendors decided that they would love to share the space with me, so I thought Okay, if I can rent out parts of the store and make a cooperative of it.

00:40:37.770 --> 00:40:48.030 Paul Klein: I could cover the rent and not have to worry so much about it, so I think we're close to about four weeks between exotica international arts and Kaleidoscope gallery opening.

00:40:49.410 --> 00:40:52.650 Jeff Goodman: What what kinds of things can you find a Kaleidoscope now what.

00:40:52.980 --> 00:41:01.770 Paul Klein: We sell well I designed to make jewelry and we sell a State jewelry we sell in order to jewelry lots of different gemstones.

00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:20.520 Paul Klein: We have artists from all over but predominantly from the local area that display and sell their work in store, we sell Melissa and Doug toys and a couple other toy lines great kids toys and we've got housewares we've got table top items we've got.

00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:35.040 Paul Klein: decorative items for the boat for the House for the yard garden items things like that so it's a very collective very eclectic shop in under 600 square feet wow that's.

00:41:35.730 --> 00:41:38.790 Jeff Goodman: A lot of stuff in a relatively small space yeah.

00:41:40.350 --> 00:41:49.620 Jeff Goodman: let's talk about city island is a neighborhood it's not only an island, but it's New York neighborhood describe the vibe of city island, what is it that you like about it.

00:41:50.760 --> 00:42:03.240 Paul Klein: Well it's always quite amazing because we'll go on vacation and will come across the bridge coming home and it's like, why did you leave you know it's really a very you cross the bridge and you just breathe a sigh of relief.

00:42:04.830 --> 00:42:10.200 Paul Klein: it's nautical it's friendly it's a neighborhood people know each other, they talk to their neighbors.

00:42:12.270 --> 00:42:23.520 Paul Klein: it's really like being in a small town and one of the amazing things about my history and being here is, when I was probably in college and decided that I wanted to come to New York.

00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:34.800 Paul Klein: I also wanted to live in a small town where I could have a jewelry store, so I had this conflict going it's New York City and a small town with a jewelry store and now I have both and it's quite amazing.

00:42:35.580 --> 00:42:41.520 Jeff Goodman: huh well you know you, you must have know what my desk question was yes, I was going to ask you.

00:42:42.630 --> 00:42:55.050 Jeff Goodman: It does have a special field but is there anything about city island that makes you feel that it really is unique in the neighborhood sense, not just because it's an island, but because because of the feeling of the spirit of embodies.

00:42:56.010 --> 00:43:04.650 Paul Klein: Well, one of the old stories on city island is, if you sneeze as you're crossing the bridge people know at the end of the island that you've got a cold so.

00:43:05.670 --> 00:43:07.980 Paul Klein: Word gets around very quickly we've got great.

00:43:09.690 --> 00:43:21.450 Paul Klein: communications which is amazing we've got city island Chamber of Commerce we've got the civic association got city island rising we've got Facebook pages and Twitter accounts and.

00:43:22.020 --> 00:43:30.480 Paul Klein: People on city island are definitely involved in things that are going on, but when you're here you look across is just obeying you can see Manhattan.

00:43:31.590 --> 00:43:44.190 Paul Klein: And it's just an amazing thing you look the other way and you're looking up long island sound so geographically it's spectacular you cross as Barbara said earlier, you cross through the largest park in New York City pelham Bay part.

00:43:45.240 --> 00:43:58.830 Paul Klein: Where there are wild Turkey and eagles and deer and conquer and possum and all sorts of creatures to come to city island so it's really a respite.

00:44:00.240 --> 00:44:13.050 Jeff Goodman: Or you spoke about we're going to take a break in a second, you spoke about the Community feel of it, do you find that, as a community it's more cohesive than the other than other parts of New York that you've lived in before you move to a city island.

00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:22.380 Paul Klein: Oh yes, I would say, so I mean before moving here I lived in apartments and then it and you know, I was in one apartment on 25th street.

00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:35.070 Paul Klein: Probably for four or five years before I met one of my neighbors looked at all for me, you know, so if you if you're on city island you tend to meet people and by having business on city island it's it's a great way to meet people.

00:44:37.020 --> 00:44:48.210 Jeff Goodman: we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation on this episode of bouncing island with Paul Klein Paul is the President of the city island Chamber of Commerce we'll be back in a moment.

00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:18.150 Jeff Goodman: we're back to rediscovering New York and our episode on city island my second guest is Paul Klein Paul is the President of the city island Chamber of Commerce Paul let's talk about the spring and fall arts and crafts fair what you probably didn't have one last fall.

00:47:18.510 --> 00:47:19.020 When.

00:47:20.970 --> 00:47:33.900 Paul Klein: It gets of the spring and the fall last year because of coven, but we have permits in place for the first weekend in June so it's June 5 and sixth this year and September 11 and 12th.

00:47:34.680 --> 00:47:45.150 Paul Klein: And we usually get about 50 to 60 artists and craftspeople selling displaying and selling their work on city island avenue for about four blocks in the Center of the island.

00:47:45.900 --> 00:48:02.190 Paul Klein: And we'll have music in Hawkins Park, we have some bands that will play for us in the fall we usually have a clam chowder contest, where all the restaurants on the island, you know sample you get to sample all different chapters in a blind taste test, which is a lot of fun.

00:48:03.450 --> 00:48:06.060 Jeff Goodman: Do they do a New England, as well as Manhattan or has been having a.

00:48:07.470 --> 00:48:08.280 Jeff Goodman: Baby brother right.

00:48:09.660 --> 00:48:19.320 Jeff Goodman: There any unusual kinds of crafts or art that that you think people might be able to find at the fair that really would speak specially about about it.

00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:26.970 Paul Klein: Well yeah we have again local artists and craftspeople doing interesting photography and painting.

00:48:27.780 --> 00:48:34.950 Paul Klein: I have crafts people that will do everything out of seashells you know they'll do decorative mirrors and clocks and.

00:48:35.700 --> 00:48:45.930 Paul Klein: ornaments and things like that, for the House, out of seashells we have jewelers that work with each class and things of that nature so.

00:48:46.650 --> 00:48:58.140 Paul Klein: You do have a very nautical fields to some of the crafts, as well and yeah the chamber's been sponsoring this for my last year was the first time in 25 years that we did not have the arts and crafts sirs.

00:48:58.710 --> 00:48:59.940 Jeff Goodman: And that's the first weekend in June.

00:49:00.420 --> 00:49:01.380 Paul Klein: 1 weekend ginger.

00:49:02.250 --> 00:49:05.520 Jeff Goodman: And is there a website that people can can tune to to find out about.

00:49:06.060 --> 00:49:18.060 Paul Klein: city island will get you all the information we have a calendar of events, and we should have applications available for artists and craftspeople if they want to join us.

00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:24.090 Paul Klein: We set up spaces on the avenue, and they set up on sidewalks and it works out really nicely.

00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:28.830 Jeff Goodman: Getting back to city island as a neighborhood.

00:49:30.060 --> 00:49:34.170 Jeff Goodman: Do you feel that it's changed at all since, since you moved there in the 90s.

00:49:35.250 --> 00:49:47.730 Paul Klein: Well, yes it's changed but it's very much the same at the same time, I think there's more of a international mix of people living on the island now.

00:49:49.200 --> 00:49:50.280 Paul Klein: You know the island is.

00:49:51.570 --> 00:49:54.060 Paul Klein: it's expanded in a lot of.

00:49:55.590 --> 00:50:04.380 Paul Klein: Vote yards became housing developments New York City in New York state tax boat yards out of business, primarily, so that.

00:50:05.310 --> 00:50:16.770 Paul Klein: A lot of them just found it more profitable to sell it to real estate developers and so there's some beautiful homes on water or close to the water condominiums cooperatives houses.

00:50:17.310 --> 00:50:18.870 Jeff Goodman: Like pilot cove manner, for example.

00:50:19.290 --> 00:50:30.390 Paul Klein: Well mannered as a senior housing development and for 65 and older but amazing views you know of long island sound out the windows and they've got a great Doc up there too.

00:50:31.350 --> 00:50:35.700 Paul Klein: But there are a number of different you know properties that are being developed still.

00:50:36.420 --> 00:50:47.190 Paul Klein: So you're getting fresh you know fresh people involved all the time when I moved here the bronx zoo actually had a lease on a number of units and.

00:50:47.820 --> 00:51:01.740 Paul Klein: You know i'd be in my store and the person that takes care of the elephants would be walking in or someone who works in the reptile House you know we started talking and you know fascinating you know interesting mix of people in the bronx who is probably five miles away.

00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:07.380 Paul Klein: So it's it's changed a little, but you know it's always interesting.

00:51:08.670 --> 00:51:16.680 Jeff Goodman: You one question I like to ask people who have been part of a Community for a long time, even though you're part of the Community for a while.

00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:24.540 Jeff Goodman: Has anything ever happened that has surprised you about about the Community anything that could that could sort of caught you off guard.

00:51:26.640 --> 00:51:39.060 Paul Klein: But yeah usually any any crime of any intensity, there was a shooting that happened many years ago and that really you know, took me off guard, yes, you don't expect that on city.

00:51:40.110 --> 00:51:49.680 Paul Klein: it's a pretty quiet laid back neighborhood and, in most cases, so you don't expect much trouble like that and and, in general, it's pretty peaceful and pretty quiet.

00:51:51.210 --> 00:52:01.350 Jeff Goodman: When ask you another question about about Kaleidoscope, would you say that most of the people who come into the store or from sitting island or most of them come from some of the places.

00:52:01.410 --> 00:52:04.200 Paul Klein: Oh, I think it's probably an equal mix.

00:52:05.250 --> 00:52:13.860 Paul Klein: There are about 4500 people that live on city island, I would say, a majority of them, probably have never stepped in the store.

00:52:15.180 --> 00:52:20.100 Paul Klein: They don't shop locally they'll get on their car and they'll drive off island to do what they're doing.

00:52:20.610 --> 00:52:30.900 Paul Klein: I had a customer in a couple years ago doing all their Christmas shopping and she has like 20 to 30 different items she's buying and just loving everything, and I said Oh, where do you live, she said, oh down the.

00:52:30.900 --> 00:52:39.960 Paul Klein: Block yeah i'm a dip my street I said and did you just move in oh no i've been here 10 years but I don't come south of dip Mars through I said you're kidding right.

00:52:41.070 --> 00:52:52.860 Paul Klein: So you know she became a customer at that point, but you know people will it becomes almost like a bedroom Community you know you sleep there and then you go off to work come back in your in your House.

00:52:53.550 --> 00:53:01.650 Jeff Goodman: Well isn't that the proverbial you know, one of the proverbial stories about New York and how many new Yorkers have never been to the empire state building we've been you know the places that we all, you know.

00:53:01.890 --> 00:53:13.800 Jeff Goodman: We think how could you not do that I could you know you you live down the block from this amazing place and and patronize it before right um I want to ask you a question as a business owner is there anything that you struggle with in the neighborhood.

00:53:14.640 --> 00:53:17.580 Paul Klein: Well, I mean cove it knocked the crap out of all of us.

00:53:18.810 --> 00:53:29.730 Paul Klein: As from I would say, when this started last night let's March I was on zoom calls probably three times a week with their politicians and.

00:53:30.600 --> 00:53:44.490 Paul Klein: Small business services and the SBA and trying to figure out how to fund businesses, and I was sending out information almost weekly as to how to apply for your PPP money, how to apply for your idol alone.

00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:57.180 Paul Klein: Where grants were available and I took advantage of all whatever I could just to keep us going I just got our second PPP money that came in last week.

00:53:58.260 --> 00:54:02.910 Paul Klein: So it's it, the problem is that city island depends on tourism.

00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:10.410 Paul Klein: At one point, I had visited almost every hotel in Manhattan and talk to the concierge is and I.

00:54:10.830 --> 00:54:19.470 Paul Klein: was one point we brought them up city island by bus gave them a tour of city island boat ride around the island and then traveling.

00:54:20.220 --> 00:54:34.230 Paul Klein: meal that went from an entree or appetizer one restaurant entree into another desert and another, so they get a feel for city, Ireland, and we did that, for a few years, and then we have a head of tourism, Maria caruso who is.

00:54:35.910 --> 00:54:48.090 Paul Klein: she's a travel agent, and she took over that aspect of it, and again a couple years back, she brought a whole group of tour operators and people to city island, so that they could experience it and bring their groups here.

00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:58.770 Jeff Goodman: Once the pandemic is over, Paul do you see and business gets back to normal again as much as we can do you see yourself opening up another business on city island sometime.

00:54:59.490 --> 00:55:03.690 Paul Klein: um no I think this business is certainly enough to keep me going.

00:55:04.950 --> 00:55:15.120 Paul Klein: As long as you know, as long as I can pay the rent i'm happy with it, you know to it serves a purpose we you know we change watch batteries, where do you go to change a watch.

00:55:15.120 --> 00:55:16.380 Paul Klein: factory that's Thank God it's.

00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:20.610 Paul Klein: something you can't do online and Amazon doesn't do watch battery so at least they don't change them.

00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:22.830 Jeff Goodman: not yet anyway.

00:55:23.250 --> 00:55:25.920 Paul Klein: buy them in bulk but you can't get them change it can.

00:55:26.010 --> 00:55:35.220 Paul Klein: Change, so I think service industries are really what's key in this environment, unfortunately, we had a pet supply store open up.

00:55:35.730 --> 00:55:44.820 Paul Klein: Just at the beginning of the pandemic and they've since closed, but they were also going to offered roaming for dogs, which is something that city I desperately us.

00:55:45.810 --> 00:55:56.220 Paul Klein: You know, so I think the business was right on target with what they were planning on doing just coven knocked it out of the park, you know they couldn't do it because that was that's a pity.

00:55:57.390 --> 00:56:08.430 Jeff Goodman: Well, one last question I want to ask you it's a general question, not about a particular business, but you know post pandemic is there any particular advice that you would have for someone who's considering opening up a business on sitting.

00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:14.130 Paul Klein: Well, I would think if you pitch if you could come up with a service business.

00:56:15.270 --> 00:56:27.120 Paul Klein: That you know you cannot get online I think that's key it, whether it be, we have a great little flower shop that's open and she sells amazing flowers jill's garden.

00:56:28.170 --> 00:56:44.520 Paul Klein: Wonderful plants, I have one in the House that we've had for going on two years it's still blooms I mean so it's really quite amazing and she also does garden planting and garden design so she has quite a background in horticulture.

00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:58.980 Paul Klein: yeah So there are a lot of things I think again, I think service industry, food, of course, I mean there are 32 restaurants on city island places to eat, ranging from you know fine white table cloth dining to.

00:57:00.390 --> 00:57:05.190 Paul Klein: We have a diner that's just great you know amazing food different suits every day.

00:57:06.570 --> 00:57:16.050 Paul Klein: You know, always keeping people happy and they're probably you know, three or four bars, plus the yacht clubs, we still have yacht clubs on city island, so there are three yacht clubs that are.

00:57:17.130 --> 00:57:22.890 Paul Klein: pretty much open to the public when it comes to dining and you have great views of the water from the are close.

00:57:23.850 --> 00:57:32.040 Jeff Goodman: Well before we went on the air we were talking about some of the places to go and eat and i'm looking forward to doing it when I get the car back after having that added for a little while.

00:57:32.790 --> 00:57:37.470 Jeff Goodman: Paul client Thank you so much for being a guest on this program about city island.

00:57:37.950 --> 00:57:45.150 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest on this program and bad city island has been Paul Klein Paul is the President of the city island chamber of commerce.

00:57:45.600 --> 00:57:53.100 Jeff Goodman: and also the owner of Kaleidoscope a shop that sells jewelry art and lots of other interesting and fun things, including children's toys.

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00:58:17.310 --> 00:58:22.170 Jeff Goodman: One more thing, before we sign off i'm Jeff Goodman a real estate agent and brown Harris Stevens in New York City.

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