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Tuesday, February 16, 2021
Facebook Live Video from 2021/02/16 - The History and Vibe of Woodhaven Queens

Facebook Live Video from 2021/02/16 - The History and Vibe of Woodhaven Queens


2021/02/16 - The History and Vibe of Woodhaven Queens

[NEW EPISODE] The History and Vibe of Woodhaven Queens

On this week’s show we will visit Woodhaven in Queens.

 My guests will be Ed Wendell of the Woodhaven Historical Society, and Mark Gallagher, owner of the famous Manor Deli, and other Queens culinary businesses.

Tune in for this fascinating conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Tonight we’re going to journey to Queens  With Edwin Dell, Everything Ed has done has been local he’s lived in Woodhaven most of his life. He's President of the Woodhaven block association, and the president of Woodhaven's cultural at historical Society. When he’s not championing Woodhaven history he is a Head of an IT department Quick international courier shipping company that specializes in clinical trials and dangerous goods. Woodhaven block Association was Founded in 1970 Was a place for people to come in air their complaints and meet their local elected officials. School Sisters of Notre Dame Education for women. They offer free English as a second language education, and GED for women. Cultural and historical Society was founded in 1992 by A group of resident , who started printing the Woodhaven history book and hanging up historical markers and promoting the history of Woodhaven.

Segment 2

Ed is working on a book of Woodhaven history if you’d like to get in touch with him email him at or you can go to he has weekly zoom meetings where they look at old photographs. On October 15 1821 the union course race track was the largest dirt track at the time. They would have a match races the north versus the south with hundreds of people showing up to witness it. Ed does a small walking tour where you can see pieces of the race track . Bridges together old and new Woodhaven. The union course race track during 1860s was a camp for soldiers. Then later on they ended up building houses over it. Residential development really started in 1900s when the farm started dying off and they started making room for new developments. Woodhaven gave birth to a lot of factories after the Civil War one of the biggest was the tin factory where they made kitchen utensils.

Segment 3

Our second guest is the fifth generation of Woodhaven Mark Gallagher. Mark is the proud owner of Mark delicatessen he's been in business since 1905 he also started Another business called toberfest marks great great grandfather worked in one of the factories in Woodhaven that’s how he made his roots there. He started Working there when Mark was 16-year-old He was working at the deli through college and He went to baroque for business and didn’t know what he wanted to do. When he realized that once the owner was gone there would be no one to take over he decided that he wanted to fill that role.

Segment 4

Mark has two restaurants called Oktoberfest Where they make beer and schnitzel it just has a really authentic German feel he opened that in 2006 and 2009 He opened up a full bar and restaurant. The thing about Woodhaven is it’s always constantly changing it went from working class to upper middle class and now it’s more of a working class but it’s ever-changing.


00:00:35.040 --> 00:00:36.330 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone.

00:00:37.440 --> 00:00:44.490 Jeff Goodman: Welcome to our listeners in the big apple from across the US and around the world i'm Jeff Goodman and you've tuned into rediscovering New York.

00:00:45.150 --> 00:00:55.470 Jeff Goodman: professionally i'm a real estate agent with brown Harris Stevens, but rediscovering New York is not a show about real estate it's a weekly program about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city.

00:00:56.250 --> 00:01:05.160 Jeff Goodman: And we do it through interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists local musicians and artists and the occasional elected official.

00:01:06.300 --> 00:01:14.520 Jeff Goodman: On some shows we focus on an individual New York neighborhood we explore its history and its current energy what makes that particular New York neighborhood special.

00:01:15.510 --> 00:01:22.380 Jeff Goodman: On some shows we host episodes about an interesting and vital color the city in its history it's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:22.980 --> 00:01:31.590 Jeff Goodman: i'm prior episodes you've heard us cover topics as diverse and illuminating as American presidents who were from New York, who had some history, here, about half of them believe it or not.

00:01:32.190 --> 00:01:37.080 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the history of women activists in the women's suffrage movement, the history of different immigrant community is.

00:01:37.740 --> 00:01:44.340 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the history of the city's LGBT community, the gay rights movement we've explored the history of bicycles and cycling.

00:01:45.150 --> 00:01:53.880 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the history of punk and opera two of my favorite subjects we've looked at our public libraries, we have three public library systems in New York actually.

00:01:54.540 --> 00:01:59.820 Jeff Goodman: we've explored the subway and some of our greatest train stations and even some of our bridges, to name just a few.

00:02:00.600 --> 00:02:16.440 Jeff Goodman: After the broadcast you can catch each show on podcast we're on apple Google spa Google podcast spotify soundcloud stitcher and other services, tonight we are journeying to Queens again we're going to look at another neighborhood woodhaven.

00:02:17.460 --> 00:02:22.950 Jeff Goodman: My first guest is Edwin Dale and has lived in woodhaven for most of his life over 50 years.

00:02:23.910 --> 00:02:31.800 Jeff Goodman: pretty much everything at his done has been local he's worked local married local spent a few years as President of the woodhaven resonance block association.

00:02:32.340 --> 00:02:37.170 Jeff Goodman: he's been a volunteer with the school sisters of Notre Dom educational Center for women in woodhaven.

00:02:37.830 --> 00:02:42.240 Jeff Goodman: And, most recently he's the president of the woodhaven cultural and historical society.

00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:58.890 Jeff Goodman: When he's not champion woodhaven history, it is director and an IT department for quick international career it's a shipping company that specializes in clinical trials and dangerous goods, we should talk about that sometime Edwin del a hearty welcome to rediscovering New York.

00:02:58.980 --> 00:03:02.970 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Well, thank you Jeff I appreciate it appreciate the invite happy to be here hello to everybody.

00:03:03.270 --> 00:03:04.770 Jeff Goodman: And also happy mardi gras day.

00:03:04.980 --> 00:03:06.270 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: After the mardi gras at all.

00:03:06.420 --> 00:03:06.840 yeah.

00:03:07.860 --> 00:03:09.630 Jeff Goodman: Are you originally from New York, no.

00:03:10.650 --> 00:03:18.420 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Yes, yes, I was, I was, I was born local we moved around a couple times my mom was from Scotland my father's from brooklyn and.

00:03:19.110 --> 00:03:33.330 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: We moved around to a few neighborhoods but before I was two years old moved into Jamaica avenue and woodhaven a 95th street and live there for a few years, then we moved out for a couple months, but then we move right back to what heaven and i've been here, ever since.

00:03:34.350 --> 00:03:46.560 Jeff Goodman: you've got a rich lifetime of history in woodhaven, but it was because of the mishap you had in woodhaven that facilitated you actually beating the women who would become your wife, do you want to talk about that that's sort of the classic neighborhood story.

00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:55.260 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: yeah I actually my my my car my car was was I was having trouble I couldn't go into reverse it turned out to be the transmission, but I didn't know, I was a young kid you know 13 years old.

00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:00.810 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: and saw a circle around looking for a spot I can just glide into and I ride it into a spot.

00:04:01.140 --> 00:04:12.480 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: went back the next day or two and took out like the oil stick the transmission fluid trying to figure out what was going wrong with the car left my dipstick out on the car and the next day, when I went back.

00:04:13.170 --> 00:04:18.870 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: My wife, he came over and handed me my dipstick and that was it we went to see purple rain.

00:04:19.620 --> 00:04:31.590 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: A couple nights might slip but, but she see I knew her because I used to work in a Deli nearby and she was one of the customers actually knew her when she was a little bit younger there's a whole different story about that, but I guess is that why you brought me here.

00:04:32.100 --> 00:04:33.090 Jeff Goodman: No, no it's a.

00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.910 Jeff Goodman: This is a show about neighborhoods and the people who are passionate.

00:04:35.910 --> 00:04:36.150 Jeff Goodman: About.

00:04:36.390 --> 00:04:43.890 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: The story she got I got in trouble, because you know she used to come in and ask for the liverwurst with the slices of paper in between, and I.

00:04:44.640 --> 00:05:00.180 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I I didn't do it one time and her mother called up the store and complain tough owner and I had to slice it put paper between and bring it back and give it to us all embarrassed or then years later, when I was dating I found out that the liverwurst switch to the dog.

00:05:00.930 --> 00:05:01.140 Oh.

00:05:03.060 --> 00:05:08.580 Jeff Goodman: Well, you worked at a competing business to one on by our second guest but we'll talk about that a little later in the show.

00:05:09.450 --> 00:05:14.460 Jeff Goodman: At aside from the woodhaven cultural and historical society you've been involved in some neighborhood organizations.

00:05:14.850 --> 00:05:26.340 Jeff Goodman: um what was the what it having woodhaven residents block association and What did it do specifically because usually hear about block associations that are just like a block or two, but not like a whole neighborhood block association.

00:05:26.340 --> 00:05:32.340 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Sure sure, so the wood heaven residence block association was founded in 1970 1972.

00:05:32.850 --> 00:05:42.450 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And it was it was a civic association, it was a place for people to come and an air their complaints and to meet their local elected officials to meet the police.

00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:53.190 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: It was it was you know it was that kind of a neighborhood neighborhood group, and I was actually in the process of moving out of the neighborhood when I went to my first meeting and.

00:05:53.940 --> 00:06:03.960 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I didn't even know the block association existed in March of 2009 I went to my first meeting by June I was on the board of directors and by December.

00:06:04.350 --> 00:06:22.470 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I was President of the organization, it was a very, very quick education for me, I spent the next couple years organizing the neighborhood and we did a lot of graffiti cleanups and and I left it in very good hands and it's still still thriving now and it's 4040 something year.

00:06:23.550 --> 00:06:25.110 Jeff Goodman: Good routes that you that you planted.

00:06:26.250 --> 00:06:31.020 Jeff Goodman: What how did you get involved with school sisters of Notre Dom education Center for women.

00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:33.210 Jeff Goodman: And what do they do.

00:06:33.390 --> 00:06:34.860 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: what's the mission that model.

00:06:35.010 --> 00:06:35.730 Jeff Goodman: A little distant from.

00:06:35.760 --> 00:06:44.880 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: What a great story here and would have in the school sisters came to would have been about 1213 year ago and around the same time that.

00:06:46.050 --> 00:06:58.980 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: That I was, I was getting involved in the Community and and and looking for, for you know doing outreach and I came across I heard about them and I went to visit them and they took me on a tour of the Center so basically what they are is they offer.

00:07:00.690 --> 00:07:12.090 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: free education English second language and high school high school equivalency to two women, you know who can who can come there and register so.

00:07:13.380 --> 00:07:19.140 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: It was just I soon as I came in sister Kathy is the Executive Director of the organization and.

00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:25.080 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: she's just a wonderful person, the whole staff they're terrific and as soon as I went in there.

00:07:25.830 --> 00:07:33.000 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I knew I wanted to help them out in any way in any way I could so i've been on their board of directors, have been a regular volunteer and champion of there is it's a.

00:07:33.390 --> 00:07:41.730 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Great group, because what they do is they're they're really changing changing people's people's lives, you know, there was there was one woman there, the first time we went.

00:07:43.260 --> 00:07:48.120 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: We were introduced to her and she was she was in her first or first level, you know of classes.

00:07:48.540 --> 00:07:58.140 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And a couple years later, we met her again and we were talking to her and and she was telling us how difficult life had been for her when she couldn't speak English or kids where.

00:07:58.410 --> 00:08:08.310 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Our kids all spoke English and went to school, they had graduated or husband did he was out of work, she was she was alone, she felt very isolated so she went there, and as soon as she.

00:08:09.030 --> 00:08:16.170 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: As soon as she had a good command of the English language, where she felt comfortable, the first thing she went and did was to go volunteer at a local senior Center.

00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:24.450 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And you know it's just a just a whole wonderful story it's a big big deep impact on a Community when you have an organization, a place like that.

00:08:24.840 --> 00:08:34.020 Jeff Goodman: For sure when did you develop your passion for local history and you really are the like the walking and talking historian of what heaven.

00:08:34.860 --> 00:08:43.770 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: yeah I guess you know I I guess it's just because i've been here my my my whole life like like like like mark has and like like a lot of people have you know it's just.

00:08:45.210 --> 00:08:57.780 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I grew up you know, on Jamaica avenue That was my That was my was my playground, and just just just over time, you know a lot of the people that I grew up with moved away and.

00:08:58.470 --> 00:09:08.820 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know, it was it was a book by Vincent seyfried the history of what heaven and ozone park that when I when I looked at that I I just I really got fascinated how things.

00:09:10.050 --> 00:09:15.990 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know where the way they work today because of because of what happened in the past and reading and seeing the old photographs.

00:09:16.830 --> 00:09:24.390 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I just I just got very, very fascinated but, but my my interest became more of a kind of a hyper local history.

00:09:24.780 --> 00:09:36.540 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know it's not just you know the dates and figures and going back it's just a lot of the lot of the interesting things and quirks that a community, the Community has and a lot of things you can talk about.

00:09:36.900 --> 00:09:40.260 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know when you're giving directions to people who live in the neighborhood.

00:09:40.620 --> 00:09:50.280 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know, you can tell someone yeah that's that's that's over by where that guy used to sell a bird houses on woodhaven boulevard people know exactly because you live here, you know exactly what that means, and where it is.

00:09:50.670 --> 00:09:55.740 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And it's that kind of history that's a lot of fun to share with with with fellow residence.

00:09:56.520 --> 00:09:59.580 Jeff Goodman: When was the cultural and historical society founded.

00:09:59.880 --> 00:10:09.480 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: It was founded in 1992 by by by a group of local residents and they they embarked on a mission of.

00:10:12.630 --> 00:10:26.280 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: printing the the would have in history book of putting up some historical markers you know and just basically promoting promoting the history and they invited me to a meeting in 2010 and.

00:10:27.390 --> 00:10:34.770 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I had just a great time at it and it just took off from there, so i've now been i've now been the President, I think it's been 10 years.

00:10:36.510 --> 00:10:45.720 Jeff Goodman: Well, great great first question I want to ask you about the history of what haven is had to be kids man, I mean you could think okay what what you know was is there is there a story behind.

00:10:45.810 --> 00:10:48.300 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: yeah yeah actually john john pitkin.

00:10:49.230 --> 00:11:01.380 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Was was bought a lot Atlanta was developing a new city is his plan for a new city, he didn't like the way Manhattan was structured so he wanted to buy a building of black brand new city.

00:11:01.710 --> 00:11:10.950 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And he was going to call it East New York, and it was it stretched out and woodhaven was going to be a small part of it, but it wasn't called woodhaven back then, it was originally called woodville.

00:11:11.490 --> 00:11:21.450 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And the founding of woodville was in July 1 1835 and that was gonna be a small part of it, that was the freeze, I think it was 1838.

00:11:21.810 --> 00:11:30.960 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And it was like the big financial crash, and all of Mr pickens plans for that fell apart, even though the name nice New York and that part of it still still remains, to this day.

00:11:31.680 --> 00:11:37.680 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: woodville carried on and eventually they wanted to have a post office.

00:11:38.370 --> 00:11:46.260 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And when they went to get a post office, it was rejected because there was already a woodville upstate New York, so they had to change their name.

00:11:46.740 --> 00:11:56.490 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And a bunch of names were bantered around edgewood edgewood was the popular favorite because of its our proximity to forest park and then.

00:11:56.970 --> 00:12:15.870 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Supposedly according to legend Mr picking wait and he he wanted to change it from what hip woodville would have, and so it became what haven an 18 1853 and so are our 200th anniversary officially will be in the year 2035.

00:12:16.530 --> 00:12:19.680 Jeff Goodman: Okay well that's 14 years hands, hopefully, will be around for that.

00:12:20.790 --> 00:12:33.450 Jeff Goodman: On the on the program I like to recognize that they were indigenous people in what would become New York City before the judging the English came do we know if local and not pay people actually lived in around woodhaven.

00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:40.350 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I I really don't you know, there was a there were a lot of the tribes were in in Jamaica and.

00:12:41.010 --> 00:12:51.420 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Which is where Jamaica avenue took it's it's named after a group there but but around here there's there's really there's very, very little very little history that i'm aware of on it i've never seen it.

00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.750 Jeff Goodman: When did Europeans for start settling in the area.

00:12:55.590 --> 00:12:57.900 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: as well, and the whole area, you know New York.

00:12:59.760 --> 00:13:02.010 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: But specifically around here.

00:13:02.070 --> 00:13:02.580 Jeff Goodman: yeah run with.

00:13:02.790 --> 00:13:15.840 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: grass around here in the in the late 1600 1700s we have a cemetery on 96th street in in would have been we've got graves back they're going into the 1700s.

00:13:17.280 --> 00:13:25.500 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And, and we know we know that it was that was after a long time if they started settling here so we've been people here for for 400 years or more.

00:13:26.460 --> 00:13:31.680 Jeff Goodman: Did anything significant happen in what would become woodhaven during the American revolution.

00:13:33.180 --> 00:13:34.050 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know, you can.

00:13:35.190 --> 00:13:48.300 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Well, we had the battle of long island, which was born in brooklyn and supposedly there, there have been people set up in forest Park, there are some high purchase up there, where you can see out the Jamaica bay and there was some some sites.

00:13:49.830 --> 00:14:05.280 Jeff Goodman: So all right well we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Edwin del we're talking about woodhaven we're visiting woodhaven in Queens ED is the President of the woodhaven cultural and historical society will be back in a moment.

00:17:01.230 --> 00:17:08.490 Jeff Goodman: we're back and you're back this is rediscovering New York and our episode tonight on what haven and Queens this is episode 100 to.

00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:19.590 Jeff Goodman: My first guest is Edwin Dale, it is the President of the woodhaven cultural and historical society editor you're working on any interesting projects right now and woodhaven history.

00:17:20.460 --> 00:17:26.400 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: yeah actually working on fewer, but our main one is we're working on a working on a book.

00:17:27.510 --> 00:17:35.610 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: We have quite a collection of photographs and we're we're hoping to get that out.

00:17:36.450 --> 00:17:44.760 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Sometime sometime later this year and that's about all I can really say about it but except there's there's a lot of a lot of very interesting things coming our way we've been saving a lot of.

00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:52.260 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: A lot of a lot of great photographs haven't shown them in any of our presentations or anything we're saving for this, because people going to really love this.

00:17:53.010 --> 00:18:00.450 Jeff Goodman: Well, I hope you invite me to the launch party such love to come, especially if it's in the fall it'll be at the other end of this tunnel that we're in right now.

00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.880 Jeff Goodman: How can people get in touch with you, if they're interested in finding out more about about the sighting.

00:18:06.330 --> 00:18:24.540 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Best best best way is to email us at woodhaven history at gmail COM and we have we have weekly we have weekly zoom meetings and we look at old newspapers, we look at old photographs and you know we we tend to call ourselves with having historians because.

00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:32.220 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I I really enjoy when people come to our show, and they can they can bring their their history to the table, we have.

00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:41.100 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: On our zoom calls, we have one one woman she's been coming to him she's 94 years old and her parents on the store on Jamaica avenue and.

00:18:41.580 --> 00:18:45.840 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: The story she can tell him this told us it's just it's just fine it's just fantastic it's a.

00:18:46.230 --> 00:18:51.600 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know it's a lot, a lot of fun, a lot of fun hearing it and I think you know, one of the big parts of being historian is.

00:18:51.990 --> 00:19:01.380 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Especially in a group, like this is is that i'm not just the historian of the organization we're all we're all the woodhaven historians and we're pulling everybody story together.

00:19:02.070 --> 00:19:08.100 Jeff Goodman: Well that's great and, as you could well imagine i'm a i'm a sucker for local history, especially in this amazing city that we live in.

00:19:08.460 --> 00:19:17.310 Jeff Goodman: And speaking of interesting history and woodhaven I was struck by the fact that there were not one, but several race tracks that were.

00:19:17.820 --> 00:19:23.580 Jeff Goodman: started with him and and as far back as the 1820s that's that's like 200 years ago I grew up in sheepshead bay.

00:19:23.910 --> 00:19:33.630 Jeff Goodman: And you know, there was a race track that went up I think in 1890 or something so when you hear about several race tracks that you know that that got started almost 200 years ago that's a long time.

00:19:33.870 --> 00:19:40.740 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: yeah so so this this October 15 18 2018 October 15 1821 was the first race.

00:19:41.850 --> 00:19:49.440 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: At the Union course race track hearing here in woodhaven, which was the largest dirt track at the time and.

00:19:50.220 --> 00:20:02.160 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: and different races, they used to have match races between the north and the south, and there was upwards of 100,000 people reported that came to it would have been to view this.

00:20:02.850 --> 00:20:05.910 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know, it was very, very important to the development of our Community.

00:20:06.780 --> 00:20:15.270 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: All the businesses that cropped up around and hotels, they they brought the railroad here and had a stop at the train station, I mean it really.

00:20:16.050 --> 00:20:26.940 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: really was a central to our to our Community, a second racetrack cropped up in what is now today ozone park centerville racetrack so racing was was very, very.

00:20:28.050 --> 00:20:39.810 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Hot around here the course race track has been gone for many years, but there's still plenty of it around we do walking tours around around with him and and there is actually one small street.

00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:52.740 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: In would have, and that is part of the far turn of the original racetrack So you can see, all these years later and it's just it's amazing it's a little hidden piece of woodhaven history right there in front of everybody's eyes and when people.

00:20:53.370 --> 00:20:56.070 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know I like to say when people have those those moments that just.

00:20:56.760 --> 00:21:08.160 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: they've lived here their whole life and they and all of a sudden, you know you're showing them something that it's right there in front of them, they didn't they never knew existed and it's right there and it's just it's a great feeling when you can show that to somebody you know.

00:21:08.550 --> 00:21:10.380 Jeff Goodman: you're talking about Clemente court right.

00:21:10.500 --> 00:21:11.520 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Yes, yes.

00:21:12.300 --> 00:21:19.260 Jeff Goodman: i'll have to like you know I love little little fascinating tidbits like that in corners that people wouldn't even I wouldn't even know what their history was.

00:21:19.410 --> 00:21:26.070 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: For people at home Clemente cord is just a tiny little street and what having that doesn't even look like a street looks like a driveway and.

00:21:26.910 --> 00:21:36.360 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: it's between two houses and you go back there and there's a little area back there was three more houses and it's just it's it's it's just quirky you know it's quirky like that stuff and.

00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:43.980 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: yeah when you when you when you look at you look at the race track, it was it was the it was the one of the one of the turns on the on the track.

00:21:44.790 --> 00:21:51.900 Jeff Goodman: When did the, of course, the third one is the famous a of the ABC of the aqueduct, which is still there when did when did the other two close.

00:21:52.890 --> 00:21:57.930 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: i'm not sure about set of books that's more that really is definitely more of ozone parks history.

00:21:59.550 --> 00:22:07.590 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Not even not even really part of whatever but, but the the Union course racetrack during the 1860s was a camp for Union soldiers.

00:22:07.980 --> 00:22:26.910 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And then, after that they tried to bring it back, but by the by by about 1870 it was it was it was gone, it was divided up like in the 1890s so sat there for 20 years was actually an eyesore and and everybody was kind of sad and then they they built up and built a build housing all over.

00:22:28.350 --> 00:22:35.010 Jeff Goodman: Well, we talked about john pitkin and his vision of building kind of an alternate city, you know, in the area.

00:22:35.070 --> 00:22:36.030 Jeff Goodman: is different from.

00:22:37.320 --> 00:22:48.990 Jeff Goodman: New York, which was Manhattan and brooklyn which also was was getting kind of crowded, but his dreams and his planning with dash by I think the great panic was in 1837 I wasn't around then but.

00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:49.920 Jeff Goodman: I remember that.

00:22:50.250 --> 00:22:56.160 Jeff Goodman: You know, in the books of days of a good old Martin van buren another new yorker who was President of the United States.

00:22:58.080 --> 00:23:09.510 Jeff Goodman: When did residential development in the area really stark then when when when would we have begun to see the neighborhood look, or at least parts of the neighborhood look like we see now.

00:23:09.570 --> 00:23:15.930 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Sure, so so you know, really, what is what is what what is now ozone park.

00:23:17.250 --> 00:23:17.970 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: south of.

00:23:19.260 --> 00:23:30.990 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Atlantic avenue, where the clock tower is in that whole area that was that was what haven proper and you had housing there and the 18 1870s 1880s you had buildings that houses.

00:23:32.340 --> 00:23:38.670 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Whereas the other side, what is now would have been was mostly farms, so you had farmhouses dotted here.

00:23:39.990 --> 00:23:49.950 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: In the early 1900s is when you started seeing more and more development as a farm started dying and getting sold off into into sections and that's where they started.

00:23:50.850 --> 00:23:57.570 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know, real estate stepped in and had names for different sections every every every section of woodhaven had different at different names.

00:23:57.870 --> 00:24:05.490 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: that's how ozone park came around ozone park was a four square block area that was part of that was part of what happened, it just eventually expanded.

00:24:05.730 --> 00:24:12.630 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: The reason that ozone park name stayed around since there was an ozone park station, it was a train station there on the long island railroad.

00:24:13.410 --> 00:24:25.710 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: So, so these you know these these farms got subdivided and you started seeing him all through the House, we live in here was built in 1906 most of the houses around here were built like around that around that time.

00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:33.840 Jeff Goodman: i'm sure the development of the of the brooklyn Manhattan transit of the bmt subway you know, led to the development, you know for the development neighborhood.

00:24:34.530 --> 00:24:40.110 Jeff Goodman: I remember this, is to neighbors over in East New York, but I remember my grandmother telling me that they moved.

00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:48.720 Jeff Goodman: From Hester street I think in 19 six and 19 seven because the bmt subway was going up and transportation and it was all farmland out there.

00:24:49.530 --> 00:25:00.870 Jeff Goodman: I want to talk a little bit about the industrial history of the neighborhood there were a number of factories that opened up in woodhaven later in the 19th century, like after the civil war, what kinds of what kinds of industry is we're.

00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:19.560 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Here are the big the big one, what was was the one that's actually behind me on the on the wall here the lansing grow john 10 factory and they made kitchen utensils they made trays i've got one around here someplace a big a big metal tray that they made.

00:25:19.950 --> 00:25:21.000 Jeff Goodman: Locally made on.

00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:21.210 Jeff Goodman: My.

00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:27.570 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: dad's like you know, like mash where they have the trays and the 10 they made spoons.

00:25:28.710 --> 00:25:30.660 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And it's actually a tremendous story when.

00:25:32.070 --> 00:25:36.510 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Florin grows on it was Swiss and came over here and.

00:25:38.280 --> 00:25:49.560 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: opened up a factory in lower Manhattan and look to build a bigger place or buy a bigger place and and found a factory out here in in in in woodhaven and boil it.

00:25:50.040 --> 00:26:00.900 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: In the 1860s and then in 1873 there was a there was a tragedy, and there was a fire in the building the building came the whole factory came came down.

00:26:02.070 --> 00:26:10.740 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: To what they did was when they were making the the 10 where they had to keep the fires burning and they used animal fat to do that so i've got all encrusted on the wall, this is a wooden building.

00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:28.110 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: So eventually everything went up in flames according to legend it was a two in the morning, when the original clock tower finally fell, that was the last piece to fall, and that was in that was in February and then by.

00:26:30.090 --> 00:26:38.760 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: He was in September, the the new the new factory opens and it's this major big complex and what happened in between time when the first fire happen.

00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.340 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: A lot of the workers at that time.

00:26:42.030 --> 00:26:50.430 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Whether they work there, whether the spouse work there, it was it was something seven or eight out of every 10 people in would have and had an interest in that factory.

00:26:50.670 --> 00:26:55.560 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: So when the factory burned down people picked up and getting ready to move flooring grogan.

00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:04.290 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: He kept he paid to keep people on he hired them to rebuild the new factory he hired them to do anything and kept them on and a few months later, opened up the factory again.

00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:15.210 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And really saved a mass exodus in the in the Community and the factory stayed around for very long time after that he's very interesting character for him grow job.

00:27:15.570 --> 00:27:15.870 huh.

00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:27.150 Jeff Goodman: i'm one of the oldest businesses in Queens and I think one of the oldest tavern businesses at all the five boroughs is right in woodhaven that's nurse tavern when did it open.

00:27:28.050 --> 00:27:33.510 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: So it opened an 1829 it open on the outskirts of of the racetrack.

00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:42.360 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And it has gone through several different names through the air is the blue pump room and.

00:27:42.780 --> 00:27:51.030 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Eventually, it was it was it was bought by the nearest family and and and it was it was nearest for many years, then it reverted back it was called the Union course.

00:27:51.960 --> 00:28:14.850 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: bar and then it was it was ready to close back in 2010 and a group of group of guys, including the current owner Lloyd Gordon stepped in and and and saved it and restored it and and have done, done a great job i've been very honored to be a friend of law and and part of the nearest.

00:28:15.990 --> 00:28:23.670 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: 190 committee that that that worked hard to to really push out and promoted and it's been really a 10 year a 10 year.

00:28:24.510 --> 00:28:37.140 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: program to promote this place and and to say we have something very, very unique here, not just in woodhaven but in New York City, and we really we really think this should be preserved and say.

00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:42.030 Jeff Goodman: I wonder what happened two years during prohibition if they became a coffee House you know it's all.

00:28:42.300 --> 00:28:44.070 Jeff Goodman: Irish coffee and Scott has coffee and.

00:28:44.070 --> 00:28:44.640 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I yeah.

00:28:46.050 --> 00:28:47.220 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: I would say so yeah.

00:28:47.790 --> 00:28:59.310 Jeff Goodman: i'm news is that the only old business, there are a number of nearly century all businesses in woodhaven our second guest actually he he owns a business that's been around for for more than 100 years, and what are some of the other businesses that have been around a long time.

00:28:59.520 --> 00:29:01.410 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Well, you know you've got we've got a.

00:29:02.610 --> 00:29:07.470 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: funeral home that's 125 years old, we got an insurance company it's 125 years old.

00:29:08.910 --> 00:29:15.750 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: You know we've got schmitz candies with chocolate store that's coming up on 9090 years old, so very doesn't.

00:29:16.860 --> 00:29:26.040 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Margie Schmidt who run spits candies does has the same original moles that her grandfather us when when when he started the place, I mean it just.

00:29:26.430 --> 00:29:34.440 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: it's been around for forever we've got an upholstery place that's 83 years old we've got the same newspaper covering us since 1909 we've got a.

00:29:34.530 --> 00:29:44.790 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Well, you know we've got 120 year old carousel is in New York City city landmark we've got a lot of longevity a lot of location i'm very, very blessed.

00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:55.320 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: To have this if you're into local history i've got like the greatest playground in the world, because everything's here everything's as a lot of great local history and it's all still right in front of us.

00:29:55.770 --> 00:30:02.670 Jeff Goodman: Well, when we come out of the tunnel that we're in right now the pandemic i'm definitely going to going to go on on one of your choice of woodhaven.

00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:17.700 Jeff Goodman: directed and we're almost at a time, one of the things I wanted to bring up and ask you is one of the important things you've done as a local historian, is to reveal certain things that either had been forgotten or you know, like forget forgotten or back shelves.

00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:19.560 Jeff Goodman: yeah talk about one of the one.

00:30:19.860 --> 00:30:20.850 Jeff Goodman: Of the things that you've uncovered.

00:30:21.030 --> 00:30:29.160 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: This the BAT I mean the first one, for us it was big was memorial trees of forest park.

00:30:29.910 --> 00:30:39.810 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: We had just been doing some research and we found this little clipping about a plan to to plant memorial trees to the soldiers of World War one who were who were killed.

00:30:40.350 --> 00:30:52.470 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: And and through just digging and digging we found plenty of articles, but it was finding the location of them forest park is a big place 538 acres and eventually we found enough information and.

00:30:53.160 --> 00:31:03.300 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: we're actually able to use a New York City website and look they have some great overhead views from the arrow from 1924 and we were able to spot where the trees had been planted and.

00:31:04.890 --> 00:31:11.460 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: The families of the soldiers is to go up there and decorate these trees were very personal to these people and.

00:31:12.750 --> 00:31:21.000 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Over time, the the tradition had died so with local students with the rotc we have for the past five years.

00:31:22.230 --> 00:31:28.320 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: brought that tradition back and and we decorate those trees every every Memorial Day.

00:31:28.710 --> 00:31:31.320 Jeff Goodman: wow that's really that's really wonderful and during me.

00:31:31.350 --> 00:31:39.840 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Oh yes, and you know what that moment, when we were looking and we saw it, we saw where the trees words like you know you're discovering something you know it's like that scene in the movie where.

00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:51.450 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: researcher has the magnifying glass and all of a sudden, you see that clue it was that Bingo moment and and everyone we told everyone was just overjoyed to hear this, it was great it was like finding out.

00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:56.280 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: finding out something new about your community that was really great it was like Christmas morning wow.

00:31:57.660 --> 00:32:13.080 Jeff Goodman: Well, and thank you so much for being on the show and speaking about the history of woodhaven our first guest has been Edwin Dell and is the President of the woodhaven cultural and historical society, you can find out about it and his work at what's the Web address and.

00:32:13.590 --> 00:32:15.150 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Project woodhaven calm.

00:32:16.020 --> 00:32:16.500 Great.

00:32:17.760 --> 00:32:27.570 Jeff Goodman: Alright we're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to speak to our second guest, who is a fifth generation woodhaven is is that a right now, and whatever not i'm not sure.

00:32:27.570 --> 00:32:28.080 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: It is.

00:32:28.350 --> 00:32:30.930 Jeff Goodman: Good excellent okay we'll be back in just a moment.

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00:36:26.580 --> 00:36:37.200 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest is a fifth generation woodhaven died he's mark Gallagher mark is the proud owner of the manor delicatessen it's a built it's a business that's been in business, since 19 five.

00:36:37.680 --> 00:36:44.700 Jeff Goodman: And mark also started some other businesses both called Oktoberfest and one of the note, for I asked mark a question during the break.

00:36:45.390 --> 00:36:58.440 Jeff Goodman: Mark said that he ended they went on parks tours as kids and they found arrows and other Indian artifacts in the park, so it definitely was a history of local monopoly people's here before.

00:36:59.340 --> 00:37:12.750 Jeff Goodman: Before the Europeans came mark you're originally from New York and you're from what you have in your fifth generation, and that means that your daughter is six generation and you volunteered that you have a grandchild on the way who's going to be seventh generation that's great.

00:37:13.230 --> 00:37:21.150 Mark Gallagher: Oh yeah this is exciting times exciting times here in La and what even you know seven generations in one place is a long time.

00:37:21.660 --> 00:37:31.620 Mark Gallagher: Even even if you're in Europe that's still a long time, so you know we're looking forward to leaving the legacy here and what even India will see what the future brings in we don't know now.

00:37:32.250 --> 00:37:42.810 Jeff Goodman: Is there any family lore about about why your your ancestors came and settled in the area, I mean anything you heard about as to what they liked about it, or you know what to say.

00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:44.220 Mark Gallagher: I had a.

00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:54.930 Mark Gallagher: I had a great great grandparents, that was an employee over there, and at the factory or not lenox avenue, you know pots and pans and.

00:37:55.680 --> 00:38:12.030 Mark Gallagher: And, of course, that was you know you needed to make a living and that's where they work, then you know and and most times you know women stayed home, so they didn't need to find the job, but the men work there and and they lived over there at each street and the Atlantic avenue, and they.

00:38:13.200 --> 00:38:22.860 Mark Gallagher: Then we move to add street then we move to 95th street and and always just been around what even our entire lives and, interestingly that dead end street.

00:38:23.490 --> 00:38:31.410 Mark Gallagher: When we are my mom and dad were going to buy their first home in 1972 when I was four years old, that.

00:38:32.250 --> 00:38:45.060 Mark Gallagher: One of those houses was for sale, and I remember that was one of my first memories going down that dead end block or four legs off Atlantic avenue if i'm not mistaken, eight and going to see that home, and it was just weird so.

00:38:46.080 --> 00:38:56.850 Mark Gallagher: I think they decided not to buy that one and my mom still lives in the same home over here on 8889 avenue yeah but yeah.

00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:13.440 Mark Gallagher: You know, and like I said, most of the homes and live on would even though it's like and most of the homes here are turned 19 1900 you know from 1900s and 1910 and I, and I live just three blocks away from from our first.

00:39:14.580 --> 00:39:16.320 Mark Gallagher: Business that we started a.

00:39:17.490 --> 00:39:25.560 Mark Gallagher: whiteboard actually because I haven't started manner delicatessen on 94th street and Jamaica avenue so it's convenient.

00:39:26.580 --> 00:39:32.490 Jeff Goodman: You bought the business in the late 90s, but you have a personal history there before you bought the business when did you start working there.

00:39:32.850 --> 00:39:43.320 Mark Gallagher: I started working there, while I was in high school, I went to the local high school, I went to Franklin K Lincoln high school on Jamaica avenue, which is half and would even and half in brooklyn if you.

00:39:44.010 --> 00:39:56.520 Mark Gallagher: If you want right off the middle of the school half of it is on the east side of on the West side of elder slain in the other side ISM on what even over by Dexter court, and I was.

00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:06.780 Mark Gallagher: Think 16 years old and 1985 and I walked in the manner Delhi and needed a job and Mr Bill lawsky.

00:40:08.160 --> 00:40:08.760 Mark Gallagher: me a job.

00:40:09.240 --> 00:40:10.140 Jeff Goodman: Was that your first job.

00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:16.680 Mark Gallagher: It was you know I did some painting for a local man on my block I used to do a little you know.

00:40:17.310 --> 00:40:27.540 Mark Gallagher: And it's summertime for two summers you know I would help them, you know vein moldings and walls and stuff like that which is excellent work by the way, that's a good thing to know how to paint and repaired things.

00:40:28.470 --> 00:40:36.270 Jeff Goodman: Was there anything special that had you decide that okay i'm going to buy this business or was it just sort of circumstances at the time that you were in the right place at the right time.

00:40:37.620 --> 00:40:43.680 Jeff Goodman: How did that, how did that come about it's it's really wonderful to hear stories of people who.

00:40:44.730 --> 00:40:57.270 Jeff Goodman: worked in other in someone else's businesses, a young person and somehow the passion just stays with them and then, and then they become and then they take over the businesses that they buy the businesses, how did, how did that happen with you and manner.

00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:59.640 Mark Gallagher: um well I went to college.

00:41:01.770 --> 00:41:12.000 Mark Gallagher: I went to college, you know after high school and you know it's a Business School so i'm just thinking you know, do I get a Wall Street job do I do this or not and i'm still working at the Deli.

00:41:12.600 --> 00:41:17.580 Mark Gallagher: And I was like maybe it can hang in there and I spoke with him, you know, obviously, and.

00:41:18.270 --> 00:41:34.590 Mark Gallagher: He didn't really have a shooter to take over the business, so I was the guy you know, we had two kids that it other things, so I was put into that situation, where I was able to purchase and he was good to me, so I was able to purchase the business and.

00:41:35.730 --> 00:41:37.680 Mark Gallagher: And you know go from there.

00:41:39.630 --> 00:41:40.500 Mark Gallagher: he's still alive.

00:41:41.130 --> 00:41:41.430 Jeff Goodman: uh huh.

00:41:41.670 --> 00:41:49.290 Mark Gallagher: he's in his early 80s, he was just at three years old, the multitool governments to velocity and you know his kids are friends of mine and.

00:41:49.890 --> 00:42:03.270 Mark Gallagher: You know he's doing well, and he still comes in, and you know looks around and checks up on things, and you know makes them feel important, and you know it's important, you know that people feel important and we know we respect that and he still comes around.

00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:09.420 Jeff Goodman: Well, the the business i'm sure it has part of his spirit and so it's great that he comes and continue, you know.

00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:18.570 Mark Gallagher: He is there, he owned that business for 35 years and I own it for since 1999 well that's.

00:42:18.990 --> 00:42:19.650 Jeff Goodman: 22 years now.

00:42:20.070 --> 00:42:23.040 Mark Gallagher: yeah 22 years so between the two of us it's a long time.

00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.470 Jeff Goodman: you're the third owner of manner.

00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:35.370 Mark Gallagher: i'm not sure if i'm a third, I was thinking about that, because I think there was a few owners, you know, in the early 1900s and there was a old Pal that.

00:42:35.790 --> 00:42:48.660 Mark Gallagher: Believe it or not, I think he told me in 1938 there was actually a robbery there, which was you know kind of strange and the Clerk got shot in the shoulder and they went off and ran away and logging in.

00:42:49.680 --> 00:42:57.210 Mark Gallagher: And you know was apprehended later on, but knock on wood nothing, since then, and you know all good and what even self.

00:42:59.010 --> 00:43:07.110 Mark Gallagher: It was it was I don't know if i'm I don't really know how many generations, or how many people own banner delicately, but I do know the last two.

00:43:07.410 --> 00:43:19.140 Mark Gallagher: And Mr V2 is actually this child of the prior person to miss the philosophy and he is the President of the milwaukee school of engineering and got yeah his mom were you know, on that store.

00:43:20.430 --> 00:43:27.480 Jeff Goodman: you're going to take a break in a minute, but I want to ask you, first went there you went to Business School before you before you bought manner.

00:43:27.870 --> 00:43:36.120 Jeff Goodman: um were there any changes that you made and i'm not meaning like about the food necessarily but just you know anything that you did to change the way the business was was run.

00:43:38.040 --> 00:43:43.200 Mark Gallagher: I mean, over time, you have to change because you know the demographics, of the of the.

00:43:44.100 --> 00:43:56.310 Mark Gallagher: neighborhood change nowhere, you know you didn't necessarily have just German and Irish and Polish people anymore, you know you had you know Hispanics and and Guyanese and Trinidad ends and dominicans and.

00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:07.200 Mark Gallagher: You know Puerto ricans and you know people like like any other place in New York City, you know where we're a melting pot of people, and you know what even is a week grab on to people and.

00:44:09.270 --> 00:44:22.590 Mark Gallagher: They kind of stay here, so you have to make things for every kind of ethnic type of ethnicity in the city, so we know we changed our foods, but the basic items of the of the Deli are still the fundamental European German Deli.

00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:29.730 Jeff Goodman: hmm well i'm going to ask you what some of your favorite things are and i'm starting to get hungry at the thought of it was I haven't had my dinner yet, but anyway we're gonna take a short break.

00:44:29.970 --> 00:44:38.700 Jeff Goodman: And when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with mark Gallica mark is the owner of the manor delicatessen in woodhaven in Queens will be back in a moment.

00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:46.470 educated in.

00:46:54.120 --> 00:47:01.800 Jeff Goodman: we're back and you're back to rediscovering New York on our episode on woodhaven Queens my second guest is mark Gallagher mark is the owner of manner delicatessen.

00:47:02.220 --> 00:47:11.640 Jeff Goodman: You know, one of the things I like about just as a note about having two guests is they really can can compliment and supplement each other's each other's contributions.

00:47:12.720 --> 00:47:22.950 Jeff Goodman: ED talked about the history of woodhaven and mark happened to speak during the break about about some of the Indian artifacts that he had found his kids in the park and during the break.

00:47:23.580 --> 00:47:28.320 Jeff Goodman: ED mentioned that he had ads from nantucket from matt a delicatessen from 1914.

00:47:29.310 --> 00:47:38.340 Jeff Goodman: When a man by the name of auto little little candy was the owner and, sadly, he and two of his children died in the pandemic, the last one, the flu pandemic of 1918 1919.

00:47:38.790 --> 00:47:51.180 Jeff Goodman: Before I asked you about what he the neighborhood mark i'm also intrigued about your restaurants, you have to restaurants, with the name Oktoberfest I can imagine that there German cuisine and you serve really good German food and lots of good beer there.

00:47:52.350 --> 00:48:02.190 Mark Gallagher: yeah I mean you know back in 2006 when yeah it was a little slow and would even so, we branched off into glendale Queens.

00:48:02.790 --> 00:48:09.930 Mark Gallagher: They were building a brand new shopping Center that was interesting was a place called atlas terminals and they built a shopping.

00:48:10.560 --> 00:48:15.120 Mark Gallagher: place called atlas park out of it, and that was an old place where railroad cars would go in.

00:48:15.690 --> 00:48:24.300 Mark Gallagher: And it was a pretty historic place where rubber cause we're going there they were General Electric used to be there, they used to make manufacturing these bullets for World War Two.

00:48:24.870 --> 00:48:29.970 Mark Gallagher: All kinds of stuff was going on, so we ripped it down and they made a shopping Center and he built the movie theater.

00:48:30.510 --> 00:48:49.650 Mark Gallagher: And I figured a I originally wanted to put a Deli there but it didn't fit, so I I branched off and I used the German theme and just made a small Oktoberfest beer bratwurst schnitzel type of place right outside the movie theater and that was in 2006.

00:48:50.700 --> 00:48:59.400 Mark Gallagher: In 2009 we were fortunate enough to get a place in forest hills, which is very close to there you know everything's within a triangle five minutes away from each other.

00:49:01.110 --> 00:49:12.540 Mark Gallagher: And that's a 5000 square foot restaurant, where we have a full menu full bar it's it's a real Bavarian German place, and of course we you know we always have different specials of.

00:49:13.560 --> 00:49:20.280 Mark Gallagher: Anything you could think of quests up the German food could get kind of boring after a while, so I will local people like like the specials that we do.

00:49:20.970 --> 00:49:30.000 Jeff Goodman: Well i'm gonna have to when the this pandemic is over i'm gonna have to try out Oktoberfest in forest hills, one of my favorite places in the east village where I used to live with zoom Schneider.

00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:40.830 Jeff Goodman: Sadly Sylvester shudders business that actually coincidentally, like a month before the pandemic kid his lease was up and I had some wonderful memories.

00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:42.300 Mark Gallagher: Very fun place.

00:49:42.570 --> 00:49:55.410 Jeff Goodman: yeah yeah well let's let's talk about woodhaven um describe the vibe of whatever and you talked a little bit about the different communities that have evolved in woodhaven describe the vibe of woodhaven mark, what is it you like about it.

00:49:56.700 --> 00:50:08.160 Mark Gallagher: I mean would even would be really, really centered for the last 5060 years, probably because of the J train, I mean it goes right down the middle of Jamaica avenue, so you know back in the 70s.

00:50:09.930 --> 00:50:15.990 Mark Gallagher: Many of the people that worked on Wall Street actually lived in would even you would see all the men, you know neatly dress than.

00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:25.620 Mark Gallagher: going up the platforms on 85th street and each State and the first parkway and you know down by William boulevard everybody was dressed beautifully and they were going to Wall Street so.

00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:40.620 Mark Gallagher: What even comes from you know nice educated background, you know we came from laborers and then we moved up in class and now we're back into laboring you know in what even but that's, not to say that that's not hard work that's what I do my do my whole my entire life.

00:50:41.790 --> 00:50:52.020 Mark Gallagher: So I like the vibe that we're always constantly train changing and and there's always a challenge with with the with the current situation and what he.

00:50:52.980 --> 00:51:05.160 Mark Gallagher: It might get some bad press but we persevere and we always we always end up on the other side with you know sparkling gems and and a great community of people that are always willing to help each other.

00:51:06.270 --> 00:51:13.770 Jeff Goodman: yeah one question I like to ask my guests who own wrong local businesses and this sometimes it's a little bit of a stump question for him, but I like to ask it anyway.

00:51:14.790 --> 00:51:19.740 Jeff Goodman: Is there anything that you feel makes woodhaven unique compared to other neighborhoods.

00:51:21.150 --> 00:51:21.810 Mark Gallagher: Oh boy.

00:51:23.610 --> 00:51:29.880 Mark Gallagher: I mean wouldn't even itself, I would say, you would even is very unique because we are forest park.

00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:41.580 Mark Gallagher: and forest park is probably one of the best parks in New York City, I was actually written up once in and New York new news day or full page article on how wonderful.

00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:51.390 Mark Gallagher: Forest park was, and I was the premier person that they spoke to about it first park has a carousel we have a golf course we have airplane field we have.

00:51:53.820 --> 00:52:12.300 Mark Gallagher: track, you know victory field we have football fields baseball fields soccer fields I mean forest park like it said is 530 acres it's it's tremendous it's the same designer as a central park and prospect park it's it's a gym hidden in New York City it's it's great.

00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:19.440 Jeff Goodman: I was going to make a little brooklyn quick when you describe your high school as being half in brooklyn i'm i'm a native brooklynite.

00:52:20.040 --> 00:52:30.420 Jeff Goodman: The forest park actually was first commissioned by the city of brooklyn but then the city consolidated I think around the time in 1898 before it was actually open or brooklyn may have bought the land I forgot I forgot.

00:52:30.810 --> 00:52:44.550 Mark Gallagher: It was thinking my my home if you look at the title of my home, I live what's called we call it would even matter, but the the original title of my home is brooklyn manner 1908.

00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:46.230 Jeff Goodman: Oh wow yeah.

00:52:46.860 --> 00:52:49.800 Mark Gallagher: which I don't know why maybe it does, but I don't know why.

00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:58.560 Jeff Goodman: Well, it might have been because brooklyn I mean if there was a history of brooklyn having, but I think they bought that land in 1890 maybe 1891 something like that.

00:53:00.330 --> 00:53:13.920 Jeff Goodman: Anyway, um is there anything that surprised you about woodhaven ED the things that you one day you see something you go wow that's surprising about about the neighborhood I didn't realize that before even as even as a fifth generation woodhaven oh.

00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:22.800 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: yeah every every every day, every day, every day we do research we find we find we find something new and just I always tell people look up.

00:53:23.790 --> 00:53:35.040 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: look up you know this is that that kind of local history when you walk along to make and you look up you see signs for for stores that haven't been in business in years, not just a few doors down from from mark's place.

00:53:35.550 --> 00:53:45.870 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: From matter Delhi that there's a above jack's hardware you look up you see a sign for alexandria's the first or mark if you ever seen that.

00:53:46.200 --> 00:53:55.500 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Absolutely yeah man it's just a beautiful beautiful old sign that's a top of the building and Alexandria is hasn't been in business, since 1940 or so.

00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:56.640 Mark Gallagher: It was one.

00:53:56.700 --> 00:54:01.290 Mark Gallagher: here's one that's actually cool how many neon signs on left in New York City.

00:54:02.010 --> 00:54:03.540 Mark Gallagher: wow how about manner Delhi.

00:54:03.660 --> 00:54:04.530 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: Family go is.

00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:07.140 Mark Gallagher: Better and I know Delhi, he has authentic.

00:54:09.570 --> 00:54:19.080 Mark Gallagher: 1962 or 63 beautiful me on selling I continually there but it's it's a real neon sign up for.

00:54:19.080 --> 00:54:24.180 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: players, you know, the thing is when you when you talk about nine or dahlia is a place like a what heaven place.

00:54:24.510 --> 00:54:29.520 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: That it's one of those places that when you talk to people and one of the things Marco and talk about I can talk about it, though, is this.

00:54:29.850 --> 00:54:36.510 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: it's just got the best food it's the cleanest place and whenever you talk to anyone who lived in what heaven past or present.

00:54:36.870 --> 00:54:49.620 Woodhaven Cultural & Historical Society: it's always one of the top places they mentioned, they say, it will say right away matter Dallas is the greatest food, so you guys, you know definitely when Jeff when you come out here, you have to you have to stop there, and and check it out.

00:54:49.950 --> 00:54:58.080 Jeff Goodman: Absolutely, we have a couple of minutes left mark, I wanted to ask you, as a business owner is there anything that you struggle with particularly in with him and.

00:54:59.970 --> 00:55:09.330 Mark Gallagher: I don't like that the press always, whenever there's something that's not positive and negative and it happened on the J train somehow it always gets labeled as what he.

00:55:10.200 --> 00:55:23.070 Mark Gallagher: Even even when it's not when even which I have no idea how that happens, you know it could happen down on 168 street and all of a sudden it's would even it can happen in Cypress hills and it's would even and I think that.

00:55:24.060 --> 00:55:31.500 Mark Gallagher: You know, journalists, should you know actually know what they're writing about to say the least, and maybe dishing get themselves a map.

00:55:33.570 --> 00:55:46.050 Jeff Goodman: Well, I have one more question, because one of the things I always like to do in the show is to promote neighborhoods and if people are thinking about opening up a business is there any advice that you might have for someone who's thinking about opening up a business and what haven.

00:55:47.100 --> 00:55:54.000 Mark Gallagher: Absolutely, if you want to open business in what even or anywhere else you better know what you're doing, and you better be ready ready to work.

00:55:54.390 --> 00:56:01.800 Mark Gallagher: And if you're not ready to work and you're not ready, ready to spend time doing it it's not for you go go get a job for the city with the city of New York.

00:56:03.750 --> 00:56:18.090 Jeff Goodman: Right well more, and thank you so much, our second guest has been fifth generation woodhaven night mark Gallagher, he is the third or the fourth of may be the fifth owner of the matter delicatessen and that's on Jamaica avenue mark.

00:56:18.630 --> 00:56:22.530 Mark Gallagher: It is it's a 90 foot street in Jamaica avenue 9412 to make an avenue.

00:56:23.190 --> 00:56:30.540 Jeff Goodman: And also mark is the proud owner of two Oktoberfest restaurants, one in forest hills, the other and atlas.

00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:32.070 Mark Gallagher: atlas terminals yeah.

00:56:32.070 --> 00:56:36.090 Jeff Goodman: let's turn on the closed out, but we will open again soon you know.

00:56:36.450 --> 00:56:43.350 Mark Gallagher: it's a small place in there it's not it's not a really good criteria are independent endemic, so we choose, just to close it for now.

00:56:44.640 --> 00:56:46.740 Jeff Goodman: Well guys Thank you so much for being a guest on the show.

00:56:48.060 --> 00:56:53.520 Jeff Goodman: If you have comments or questions about the show if you'd like to get on our mailing list, please email me Jeff at rediscovering New York dot.

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00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.260 Jeff Goodman: One more thing, before we sign off i'm Jeff Goodman a real estate agent of brown Harris Stevens in New York City.

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