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The Conscious Consultant Hour

Thursday, February 11, 2021
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Facebook Live Video from 2021/02/11 - Sex Shamans & 52 Fridays

 

2021/02/11 - Sex Shamans & 52 Fridays

[NEW EPISODE] Sex Shamans & 52 Fridays

This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Mystic, Muse, Mentor, and Author,  KamalaDevi McClure.



KamalaDevi McClure,  (Pronouns: they/them aka KD) is a pansexual, genderqueer art activist. KD has authored seven books. They've starred on Showtime’s reality TV series, Polyamory: Married & Dating, and been featured on Dr. Drew, Tyra Banks, and the award-winning documentary, Sex Magic.



After almost 20 years of teaching tantra, sacred sexuality, and temple arts around the world, KD currently lives by the ocean with their husband and son in San Diego where they are on a virtual book tour for 2 new books: Sex Shamans and 52 Fridays.



Tune in for this enlightening conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.


Show Notes

Segment  1

Sam recites the quote of the day. KamalaDevi McClure is Introduced. Their pronouns are they, them and they are known for their writing and appearance in the Showtime Reality series Polyamory: Married & Dating. Very touched by the quote because it touches on the idea that there is no good or bad.

Segment 2

KD describes their early exploration of their sexual identity and coming out. KD began to study tantra and sacred sexuality. They teach people to open up to their full expression and let go of all the false notions of who they think they are. The continual loss of who you are, ego death, can be a painful process. Not only are you opening yourself up to a new world full of unknowns, you must cut ties with the know. KD compares this to when they severed ties with their lesbian community after meeting their husband and accepting their nonbinary identity.

Segment 3

People have many common misconceptions about tantra, just look at the jokes people make about Sting’s sex life. Tantra includes but not exclusively about sexuality. In its most basic form it is an embodied path towards spiritual enlightenment, it is both ascending and descending. Alternative relationships. Monogamy is a couple’s choice but it is not what all people favor. KD and their husband have lovers within the relationship. KD believes that what is ultimately most important is that person follows their heart and forms relationships that serve them well.

Segment 4

KD teaches the Temple Arts. You’ve likely heard the term, “My body is a temple.” This practice is about bringing heaven to earth. KD encourages people to look at their relationships and sex life then ask themselves, “What do I want? Why?” Your relationships are a reflection of your relationship to the self so the answers to those questions often say more about you rather than your partner. They also talk about the impact that the pandemic has had on people’s relationships. KD believes that it has made them deeper and richer. For those who are in lockdown alone they are still with their beloved, themselves, and that is the deepest work. A strong relationship with the self will only benefit your relationship with others.


 Transcript

00:00:27.990 --> 00:00:41.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co creators, welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, I am very, very pleased that you're all here with me today.

00:00:41.970 --> 00:00:50.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: we've got a an interesting show in store for you today actually covering a topic I haven't quite covered on the show before I don't think.

00:00:51.030 --> 00:01:06.150 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So i'm really happy to have my guest on and we will get to her in just a moment, but first, of course, we have our quotes of the day, from the universe, and from Abraham to kick off the show so let's get started first from the universe.

00:01:07.350 --> 00:01:28.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Always it's the one with a certain and definite dream, who boldly steps into the uncertain and indefinite who goes the farthest and throws the best after parties toga toga toga the universe whoo whee oh I love when the universe throws parties it's always so much fun so.

00:01:30.150 --> 00:01:39.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What the universe is talking about here, the one with a certain indefinite dream, who boldly steps into the uncertain and in definite.

00:01:40.620 --> 00:01:43.680 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So often we forget that.

00:01:45.690 --> 00:01:59.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The importance of really being clear with what it is we want to create in our life, whether it's around money relationships friendships community.

00:01:59.790 --> 00:02:22.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Health wealth, whatever it's around we sometimes feel that well if I just have this sort of general goal, I want better health well that's not really very specific, very certain and the interesting thing is, is that the more we come up with a very specific, measurable goal.

00:02:23.550 --> 00:02:26.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And the goal is, they say it's just a dream, with a date put on it.

00:02:29.190 --> 00:02:42.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The more clear, we are, it does several things first it lines up our energy much more definitively with what it is we want to create.

00:02:43.380 --> 00:02:53.190 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Second, secondly it lets the universe, the world around us know, like this is really what I want to bring into my life.

00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:11.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And, and so the universe likes specifics, because you may say something like well i'd like to have some more money and you found a $5 bill in the street, but if you said, well, I want to be making I want to bring $10,000 a month into my account that's a very different thing.

00:03:13.020 --> 00:03:30.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But the other thing that it does on a very sort of practical physical level is it lines up our nervous system and that unconscious part of our brain to lean us in the direction that we want to go.

00:03:32.070 --> 00:03:43.770 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So that when we're focusing on something very specific and we we kind of line up like not just Oh, I would like to be a little healthier.

00:03:44.190 --> 00:03:51.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But maybe it's and maybe it's not about like I want to lose 10 pounds, but maybe it's something like.

00:03:51.780 --> 00:04:04.080 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I want to do 20 setups a day or 50 pushups or whatever chin ups or I want to run you know, three miles a day or go for a five mile walk whatever it is.

00:04:04.380 --> 00:04:09.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You make it definitive and then your your your your whole nervous system lines up with it.

00:04:09.510 --> 00:04:17.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And then you're more likely to move in that direction, but when it's something nebulous something uncertain something kind of vague.

00:04:17.430 --> 00:04:27.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Then our nervous system doesn't have anything to really grasp on and hold on to, and then we don't really know you know it's kind of difficult to move forward.

00:04:28.710 --> 00:04:43.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Now, sometimes we don't like to make things so definite because then we're accountable then it's very obvious whether we make it or not, and that's that jump into the uncertain, especially when it's something we've never done before.

00:04:45.330 --> 00:04:57.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Maybe it's a new relationship, a new type of relationship, maybe it's a maybe we want to leave our job, and we want to to be our own boss there's so many aspects to it that.

00:04:58.080 --> 00:05:09.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When we just you know, have to take that leap into something that we've never done before it's nerve racking it turns our stomach.

00:05:10.740 --> 00:05:19.140 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But when we have that very definite dream, on the other side of it we're more likely than not to actually get there.

00:05:19.770 --> 00:05:31.080 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: doesn't mean we always will hey look, sometimes we make mistakes, sometimes we quote unquote fail and we learn a lot more from our failures than we do from our successes so failure is not a bad thing.

00:05:33.090 --> 00:05:41.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But it's taking that leap into the unknown that moves us forward that causes us to grow That brings us to new experiences in life.

00:05:42.690 --> 00:05:59.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So something to keep in mind that, that being more definite being more clear yet the willingness to just leap and to move forward and to try something we've never done before it's so important with life.

00:06:00.870 --> 00:06:06.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Okay let's go to the toga party with the universe okay what's next let's see what Abraham has in store for us today.

00:06:08.520 --> 00:06:16.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Who is good one, what is a bad thing, anyway, a bad thing is something that is different from what I want.

00:06:17.460 --> 00:06:20.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Who gets to decide what the bad thing is.

00:06:21.660 --> 00:06:33.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Excuse me Jerry and Esther watched the mother bird lay her eggs in the nest and then the neighbor's cat ate the baby bird Esther said bad cat.

00:06:34.020 --> 00:06:57.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And the cat said, good bird Abraham I really love the scope or maybe i've never seen this one before um because it really points out that in nature, there really doesn't exist this concept of good and bad this judgment that something is right and something is wrong.

00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:01.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Things are just the way they are.

00:07:03.210 --> 00:07:15.300 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And what we have decided to label good or bad for ourselves are merely the things that either line up with what we desire or don't.

00:07:16.710 --> 00:07:28.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Either they help us to feel more expansive they help us to feel better in our own skin in in our own life or they don't.

00:07:29.490 --> 00:07:41.760 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And just because something doesn't feel good for us doesn't mean it doesn't feel good for somebody else, so what we might consider bad for us might be wonderful for someone else.

00:07:43.050 --> 00:07:54.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so, this whole concept of good and bad i'm like i'm not saying like there should be anarchy and we should just go out and do whatever we want i'm a big believer and do no harm.

00:07:55.890 --> 00:08:04.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And that we don't have a right to impose on ourselves on to somebody else I believe in in boundaries yet.

00:08:06.270 --> 00:08:14.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When we're judging things, especially like situations and things that happened to us were so easy to jump into that.

00:08:15.210 --> 00:08:29.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: judgment of this is good or This is bad and we don't really have a clear perspective on it, and in the moment it may seem, one way, but then over the long term, we may have a totally different idea around it.

00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:46.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So that is true for so much in life, and what Abraham is saying here and using just a very simple example right a baby is born in the wild and it could be anything a bird a raccoon a.

00:08:47.640 --> 00:09:05.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Bear cub of little fuzzy creature whatever you want a cat a dog and then a predator may come along and that's its prey and it grabs it like a coyote will come, maybe grab a pop and then bring it home to its lair to feed it's babies.

00:09:07.290 --> 00:09:14.760 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So we may feel sad for the dog that lost its puppy But then what about the pups that the coyote has.

00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:17.910 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: it's it's.

00:09:19.680 --> 00:09:31.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When i'm trying to say is that it, things are not so cut and dry, things are not so black and white and, indeed, even the concept of things being quote unquote black and white.

00:09:32.280 --> 00:09:43.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Totally misses the mark of how there is not just multiple shades of grey there are multiple colors of the Rainbow there is so much to life.

00:09:44.220 --> 00:09:58.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And, and what was acceptable 100 or 500 years ago is completely different today and what's acceptable today 500 years from now, could be completely different.

00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:17.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So if we can maybe refrain from using those words good and bad in terms of judging something, and perhaps more use something like well it feels right to me.

00:10:18.210 --> 00:10:32.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Or it supports what i'm trying to do or it's moving me in the direction that I want to move or I feel it's moving the Community in the direction that better serves and supports us.

00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:41.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Again i'm not trying to be a quote unquote snowflake he i'm just trying to say that things are very relative.

00:10:42.210 --> 00:11:01.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And, and when we remove the judgment from things we remove that separation and then sometimes we have this tendency to judge other people who think or act differently than us, and then we miss an opportunity, perhaps to bring a wider perspective to our world.

00:11:02.550 --> 00:11:05.250 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So i'm always a believer in.

00:11:06.390 --> 00:11:20.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: In expanding our perspective, instead of contracting it, so I like ideas that help us to really expand the way we see the world and our life.

00:11:21.420 --> 00:11:31.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because in my limited experience when we expand the way we see the world it serves us in ways we could not have imagined.

00:11:32.490 --> 00:11:33.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So.

00:11:34.350 --> 00:11:49.680 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: let's let's expand our view and go to that toga party with the universe to wonderful excellent fantastic quotes of the day, I think, rather apropos for my guest, who I will introduce to you now and i'm very thrilled.

00:11:50.760 --> 00:11:59.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To have katie on the show today and and and Camilla Davey maclaurin is a mystic muse mentor and author.

00:12:00.750 --> 00:12:11.520 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: A case kd for short goes by the pronouns they in them and is a pan sexual gender queer art activist katie has authored seven books.

00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:18.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: they've started on showtime's reality TV series polyamory married and dating.

00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:24.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And been featured on Dr drew tyra banks and the award winning documentary sex magic.

00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:36.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: For almost 20 years of teaching tantra sacred sexuality and temple arts around the world katie lives by the ocean with her husband and son, where they are in a virtual book tour for.

00:12:36.630 --> 00:12:44.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Their two new books sex shamans and the other book is 52 Fridays, and it is my pleasure to welcome katie to the show today.

00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:47.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the conscious consultant our katie.

00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:54.420 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Thank you it's a pleasure to be here i'm really touched by your opening exploration.

00:12:55.230 --> 00:13:12.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh, thank you, thank you, yes it's it's so funny because the quotes of the day, are are always the quotes for that day there were come to my inbox that morning yet somehow they always seem to fit with whatever the topic or theme for the show is that day so perfectly.

00:13:13.140 --> 00:13:25.590 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: it's just like a verbal turo card, so I often you know in mind morning practice will pull a few cards divination and it's you know you're it's communicating with the universe, as he said.

00:13:26.040 --> 00:13:29.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely did did you pull a card this morning i'm curious what your bold.

00:13:29.640 --> 00:13:31.500 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: You woke me up so darn early.

00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:37.290 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: A bit of a time change here in San Diego to your.

00:13:38.610 --> 00:13:40.680 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: But I will, after the deck after our.

00:13:41.820 --> 00:14:05.070 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Talk and I want to share that what touched me about your even your interpretation right is that this widening of perspectives beyond the black and white beyond the good and bad and that really is at the heart of what tantra is going beyond beyond the duality so touched by that.

00:14:05.730 --> 00:14:14.550 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful Thank you well we're gonna take a quick break first, but then, when we come back, I want to sort of get into your background.

00:14:14.910 --> 00:14:24.360 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And sort of how you what was your journey like to get to be this person that you are today involved with the things you are because it's not that common.

00:14:24.660 --> 00:14:34.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I don't believe I mean been doing the show 10 and a half years, but I don't believe i've had a tantra teacher on my show yet, but I actually have another tantra teacher coming on later in the year.

00:14:35.610 --> 00:14:44.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I guess starting a new theme, although we have touched upon polyamory and alternative relationships in the show because i've had this wonderful filmmaker.

00:14:45.690 --> 00:14:57.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Roger nygaard who created a film called the truth about marriage and so he he got into sort of various kinds of marriage, so we talked about that, on the show, but we haven't.

00:14:57.630 --> 00:15:15.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: delved into tantra so i'm looking forward to talking about that and learning more about your your story during the show okay okay awesome so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, we do this, live every Thursday 12 noon Eastern.

00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:24.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: 1pm right here on talk radio dot nyc and all over Facebook live, and we will be right back after this.

00:18:21.330 --> 00:18:31.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, I see loyal listener patty on the Facebook live thanks for joining us today.

00:18:32.100 --> 00:18:50.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I really want to be clear about this, anyone listening on the Facebook live view of comments or questions, please post them in the comments section of the video will we will get to them today so kd i'm just curious because you know it's not so typical to find somebody who's.

00:18:53.730 --> 00:19:12.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: A tantra teacher a queer art activist who's an author of the kinds of books that you're the author of i'm curious was this something that you recognized sort of early in life that kind of a direction you leaned in, or is it more something to developed later on.

00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:13.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right.

00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:29.580 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Coming out actually at the time, I thought I was lesbian was before my kinsey any era so For those of you who don't know Latin culture, I was 15 years old, when I recognize my sexuality is not like the other kids in the class.

00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:31.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah.

00:19:31.110 --> 00:19:35.130 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And so I thought I was lesbian, because I didn't have any options.

00:19:36.810 --> 00:19:42.180 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: That bisexual you know at that time it was are you gay or you straight, you know and that's it.

00:19:42.930 --> 00:19:58.290 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And so that set me on a journey of of what is this mysterious force called sexuality and and the identity that tends to form itself around how sexual energy moves.

00:19:59.220 --> 00:20:09.750 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Which is a constant you know from high school to you know the whole exploration I think many of us do in college of cable what is.

00:20:11.100 --> 00:20:28.350 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: The stories of these three you know college threesomes or or kissing or the same sex, and so I went through a lot of that exploration and it wasn't until I lived in Hawaii that I had a full blown kundalini awakening.

00:20:28.710 --> 00:20:31.590 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And that was an experience of.

00:20:32.670 --> 00:20:38.490 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: i'm dancing under the stars and i'm having this like ecstatic.

00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:46.320 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: opening to the universe, and this bolt comes through my body and.

00:20:47.370 --> 00:20:54.300 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: I hate genuinely have the experience of letting go of all identity all sense of self and becoming one with the universe.

00:20:55.410 --> 00:20:55.680 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Is.

00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:05.850 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: a wonderful initiation into any labels any identities that we put on to who we truly are is are all illusions.

00:21:06.510 --> 00:21:14.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And was this just sort of a random thing or were you engaged in some kind of ecstatic dance or some shamanic ceremony or something so.

00:21:15.210 --> 00:21:30.600 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Yes, for those two years I was exploring polyamory tantra kink and, and so I was, I was in a prime state, and I was also at a tahitian drumming ceremony with a single the master.

00:21:30.780 --> 00:21:34.020 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: So the energies were just really big and.

00:21:35.100 --> 00:21:43.080 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: During that ecstatic dance I had this Union that lasted for you know weeks weeks of ecstatic like.

00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:46.140 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: I can't find the walls, you know where where.

00:21:47.520 --> 00:21:57.930 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Where do I end and the the rest of the universe began, and it sent me on a journey for like okay now having this direct experience mm hmm.

00:21:58.290 --> 00:22:12.450 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Now i'm interested in the books and the teachers and who can support me and sequencing this kind of a revelation and that sent me on a kind of a world tour of WHO and where to study with and.

00:22:13.530 --> 00:22:16.020 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Lots of ashrams and.

00:22:17.280 --> 00:22:19.440 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Your Community centers and.

00:22:19.890 --> 00:22:37.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I mean you, it sounds like you, you studied, a lot of different things like you really you know, try to find what really supported you the most, and so you went across many traditions, many disciplines what had you kind of settle in on tantra and sacred sexuality.

00:22:38.550 --> 00:22:41.550 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: So it's a good question I want to kind of.

00:22:42.750 --> 00:22:44.400 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: unpack the premise of it.

00:22:44.670 --> 00:22:47.610 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Okay there's so tantra.

00:22:49.800 --> 00:22:53.730 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: There there's many different lineages and what's a conceptual D on.

00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:57.930 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: The premise I guess is that.

00:22:59.070 --> 00:23:15.210 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: people think of this like you know Buddhist Tibetan or even you know there's different kinds of contrast, in India that a bit of a gupta sort you know place where tundra comes from, and you know i'm encountering California i'm a California girl.

00:23:16.770 --> 00:23:20.070 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: In What were they doing and feudalistic Tibet, you know it's like.

00:23:20.100 --> 00:23:21.390 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: i'm in.

00:23:21.930 --> 00:23:37.950 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: What will support the life force being in its full expression in any and all environments and so that's part of the trends lineage study is me looking at different cultures that like what, what are the various practices that are.

00:23:40.590 --> 00:23:54.300 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: synergistic that are similar so i'm not i'm not looking for you know i'm not going deep with one route lineage instead i'm more interested in what's evolving and what's emergent from all the different routes.

00:23:55.530 --> 00:23:57.750 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And so sacred sexuality.

00:23:59.130 --> 00:24:02.670 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And tantra are often interchangeable.

00:24:02.760 --> 00:24:18.030 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And I know so i'm not, I want to demystify it and empower people that we can experience and study like sacred sexuality now, without going back into deep history.

00:24:18.510 --> 00:24:19.080 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: and

00:24:19.290 --> 00:24:24.360 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: there's a lot of best practices and wonderful teachers throughout history, whose shoulders, we stand on.

00:24:25.170 --> 00:24:29.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right gotcha so it's it's it's more like.

00:24:30.630 --> 00:24:49.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: doing a what I call it like a survey class of like many different lineages and finding what's the commonality that resonates in today's world and what really serves in this awakening and supporting you in integrating that awakening into daily life.

00:24:49.770 --> 00:24:57.660 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: yeah so the with the various wisdom traditions, often will have certain teachings that are so similar because they're universal.

00:24:57.930 --> 00:24:59.220 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And their eternal.

00:24:59.280 --> 00:25:11.010 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And it's like that totally applies today and other wisdom many wisdom traditions, also have idiosyncratic superstitions that were affected those cultures and we can let those go.

00:25:11.520 --> 00:25:24.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right, so do you consider yourself like I do primary follow one tradition, primarily, or do you consider like what you teach and what you do now.

00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:39.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: kind of like your own thing I mean similar like I know a lot of energy healers who will study reiki and then they'll study many other forms of energy healing but then, if you ask them what they do it's hard to describe because it's a combination of many different modalities.

00:25:40.350 --> 00:25:43.320 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Sure, so what I teach.

00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:54.360 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: is how to support how to awaken maybe individual or the group that i'm working with to their full expression.

00:25:55.020 --> 00:26:12.630 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And their background might be reiki or or might be Christianity, or it might be and it's like, how do you use your lineage your teachers your gifts to empower you and to let go of all of the false notions of who you think you are.

00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:14.700 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And so.

00:26:15.780 --> 00:26:26.880 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: i'm not you know I happen to have a deep Hindu background, you know the name comma debbie is from the shipping on the order and i'm not teaching, you know.

00:26:28.020 --> 00:26:42.090 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Self self Indian yoga anymore, although I did for 15 years um but I bring that let you know that lineage to my practice because it happens to be my my portal, you know that's that's.

00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:43.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Your entryway.

00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:49.830 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: yeah, and so I want to support people in in how to empower how to.

00:26:51.300 --> 00:27:03.720 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Whatever gifts and gurus they've had to take the best from that in a way that empowers their inner guru as opposed to giving me any of their power or any of their past teachers.

00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:12.450 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Really, what the world when we say well wait we're here to wake up the world it's like hey it's time for us to become sovereign time for us to become.

00:27:13.290 --> 00:27:25.800 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: The highest holiest link to our highest power, as opposed to giving our power away to the politicians and the various leaders that will tell us if they know better than we do about.

00:27:26.040 --> 00:27:27.090 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: You know what for us.

00:27:28.020 --> 00:27:38.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah and and i've heard that phrase many times from many different teachers, that the time for gurus is past and that now it's time for us to be our own gurus.

00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:50.520 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm curious before we get to our next break was there anything with with what you do now is there anything that you've personally found particularly confronting for you in this tradition.

00:27:52.410 --> 00:27:53.160 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: A lot of things.

00:27:57.450 --> 00:28:00.270 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Just because it sounds like you came from sort of a very.

00:28:01.350 --> 00:28:09.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, alternative background to begin with so many people might think like oh sure it's easy for her like i'm just a normal person, you know.

00:28:10.560 --> 00:28:15.720 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Well, you know I don't think you coming out in the 80s as.

00:28:15.750 --> 00:28:21.210 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: You know, because i'm not like like in a conservative Community I don't think that's easy for anybody.

00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.260 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right absolutely.

00:28:22.560 --> 00:28:27.660 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: But then not even that like when I had to come out and I said wait i'm not really lesbian, you know when I was in.

00:28:28.590 --> 00:28:42.780 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: It was after college I fell in love with a man, and I said i'm going to move in with this man that i'm in love with I had to let go of my entire lesbian Community my identity my everyone, just to be bisexual.

00:28:42.870 --> 00:28:43.800 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: You know, at that time.

00:28:44.820 --> 00:28:56.850 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And it every step every time we kind of redefine Oh, this is, who I am there's a letting go of who we thought we were and that's a type of death, a dissolving know.

00:28:58.260 --> 00:29:09.120 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Continual letting go of who we think we are is ego death after ego death and can be really painful and they any it comes with not just loss of community.

00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:15.870 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: But friendships and support and also a loss of the known wow I knew that world.

00:29:16.080 --> 00:29:18.240 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Right what's beyond that.

00:29:18.840 --> 00:29:22.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right and now we're getting into the uncertain and indefinite right.

00:29:23.910 --> 00:29:31.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Great well, thank you alright, I would like to when we come back from this break talk a little bit about what tantra is and what it isn't.

00:29:31.470 --> 00:29:49.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And what sacred sexuality isn't isn't because sometimes I think people have a wrong conception about what these things are really all about and and how do they really serve people today in in in in not just a physical manner, but in a spiritual manner as well okay.

00:29:50.280 --> 00:30:02.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful excellent so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity, we do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm Eastern time right here and talk radio dot nyc.

00:30:02.730 --> 00:30:15.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And don't forget if you know somebody who's looking to start their own podcast their own show we're always looking for new hosts here just have them email me at Sam at talk radio dot nyc and we'll be right back after this.

00:30:22.020 --> 00:30:22.470 And pop.

00:32:36.300 --> 00:32:45.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we're talking today with Camilla devery mclemore they get the right.

00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:51.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So katie katie for sure um what.

00:32:52.980 --> 00:33:04.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What is the what isn't tantra like what do you find that like when most people hear people talk about tantra and sacred sexuality like what is the impression, most people have that's absolutely wrong.

00:33:06.630 --> 00:33:12.930 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: The cliche is you know sting having sex for five hours nine hours or whatever the story is the.

00:33:12.930 --> 00:33:13.320 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Urban.

00:33:13.590 --> 00:33:16.110 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And about studying sex life is so.

00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.990 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: So tantra is.

00:33:24.300 --> 00:33:35.430 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: it's a path towards enlightenment and it's one that includes but it's not exclusive to sexuality and so where we have many.

00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:47.940 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: spiritual paths that are ascendant and they it's like oh i'm going to transcend the body and become one with all of it is that transcendent path is.

00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:58.740 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: You know it's it's a beautiful path to experience oneness but it's not descending into the body, so that we can bring all of our senses with us and.

00:33:59.370 --> 00:34:17.490 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: tantra in its most basic form is a embodied spiritual path towards enlightenment and that's the most general you know statement I can make, which is why we've found it, you know not cross cultures there's so many different types of touches throughout history.

00:34:18.600 --> 00:34:20.550 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And the.

00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:28.050 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: I think fixation on sex, which is like you know, then people think tantra is just sexuality.

00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:35.880 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Is where they go off the path and and get it wrong because tantra is really about old life right.

00:34:36.150 --> 00:34:37.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right and.

00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:47.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And it's interesting that you talk about descending into the body, because it's something that i'm seeing more teachers lately talking about.

00:34:47.910 --> 00:34:53.700 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And it's something that like years ago I used to study with an a spiritual Ascension teacher and.

00:34:54.450 --> 00:35:03.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: While the idea kind of really appealed to me like life here, you know can be sucky and there can be problems and it's like why wouldn't you want to leave this place and.

00:35:03.390 --> 00:35:08.640 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But it's like, but then I remembered that there are mediums and psychics that i've spoken to WHO.

00:35:08.850 --> 00:35:15.750 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: say that, like the spirits, on the other side are like laughing at us when it comes to that attitude, because they all can't wait to get to be born.

00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:37.140 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Christmas all kinds of things that we can experience in the physical body that you can't experience when you're purely in spirit, and so this idea that to me that that I find coming out more and more is the idea of we're supposed to ground into the physical more of the spiritual not.

00:35:38.310 --> 00:35:42.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: deny the physical, for the sake of being purely spiritual.

00:35:43.590 --> 00:35:46.260 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Right so it's both, and you know I.

00:35:48.210 --> 00:36:05.280 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: I find that the true tantra is both ascending and descending it's like Oh, you know wakening matter with spirit and you know spirit becoming matter like a lot of the manifestation teachings that you offer our about how to bring things into form from thought first into form.

00:36:05.670 --> 00:36:07.920 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And that's also you know direction of.

00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:10.200 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: It goes both ways.

00:36:11.910 --> 00:36:15.480 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And I would make the distinction that sacred sexuality.

00:36:16.140 --> 00:36:23.910 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Is and I think it's a very important movement for people to say okay like I don't care about this whole enlightenment, or I don't want to do you know, like.

00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:34.380 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: i'm not interested in all of LIFE I just really want to delve into sex, you know sex healing sex because we live in a.

00:36:35.250 --> 00:36:43.890 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Cultural like groundwater that's so shame filled in sex negative that in order to reclaim it, let me put a lot of.

00:36:44.430 --> 00:36:58.650 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Attention practice energy on sacred sexuality, which is rethink defying you know the life force energy that has been debased by our mother, father church state teachings you know, wherever we get those cultural.

00:36:59.310 --> 00:37:17.430 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: messages that sex is dirty you're wrong, we genuinely have this whole field of study now sacred sexuality, which is like hey let's reclaim this let's heal the shame let's come now into alignment with sex is what creates life and it reconnects us with our creator.

00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:19.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And there's nothing wrong with pleasure right.

00:37:20.250 --> 00:37:24.270 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: that's right so pleasure pathway yes.

00:37:25.890 --> 00:37:27.210 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Is that why.

00:37:28.230 --> 00:37:36.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Perhaps the field of tantra is becoming more popular today than ever before, I mean it seems like while it's still I wouldn't consider it mainstream.

00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:50.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It still seems like it's it's much i'm coming across it much more i'm coming across tantra teachers much more and it feels like they're just more people being open to it in that direction it.

00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.620 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: You know I don't know.

00:37:54.570 --> 00:38:04.530 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: cause and effect it's like definitely happening and opening and awakening in the same way that you know alternative relationships are now an option, so I don't actually.

00:38:06.930 --> 00:38:16.140 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: have a clear answer for why that is, but I do feel there's a readiness and an evolution, where people you know, and I also.

00:38:19.170 --> 00:38:26.670 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: I also feel that with the healing like as people are evolving on the planet, that there's a.

00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:36.570 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: movement towards what's more natural like and what's more whole a general movement towards wholeness and sacred sexuality is part of that fullness right.

00:38:36.870 --> 00:38:47.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right yeah that does seem to be more of a awareness or openness to the idea of looking at things on a holistic level.

00:38:47.490 --> 00:39:00.360 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Looking at every aspect of life, not just one aspect like if there's a problem with our health it's not just about fixing that one symptom it's like what's going on with our lifestyle what's going on with our attitudes and our energy towards everything.

00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:06.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: i'm i'm curious what brought about, and now you've written seven books, what was the first book you wrote.

00:39:07.770 --> 00:39:13.560 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: The first book was don't treat the punch and it's sort of this commentary on a sexual Colt.

00:39:15.270 --> 00:39:24.180 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: As I mentioned i've been through lots of options and initiations very much that theme, we are our own inner gurus and how dangerous.

00:39:24.720 --> 00:39:26.580 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: give our power over to someone.

00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:33.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: else right right and and what is just talk a little bit about your two new books, what is sexual men's about.

00:39:34.590 --> 00:39:47.790 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: So this reason the book section and it's actually a collection I have 20 different healers and teachers and witches and wizards and and.

00:39:49.680 --> 00:39:53.790 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: You know i've got everything from midwife to a runway model.

00:39:54.060 --> 00:39:56.190 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: who have these awakenings.

00:39:57.300 --> 00:40:04.230 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And that their life is you know they're dedicating their life to awaken other people's sexuality.

00:40:04.560 --> 00:40:19.140 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And so I want like, just as you asked me at the beginning of this interview, I have been asking people like wow this is amazing teacher who I admire very much how did you get there, what happened in your life to wake you up and.

00:40:19.560 --> 00:40:34.410 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And so, this is kind of a gritty juicy story their personal narratives on so that, if you read the book and you read a collection of 20 different stories, you may recognize that wow Maybe my story.

00:40:36.060 --> 00:40:43.320 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Maybe there's aspects or Easter eggs in my own personal narrative that leads me towards more of a sexual awakening.

00:40:43.710 --> 00:40:49.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: hmm absolutely and I noticed the cover is looks like something familiar right behind you.

00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah and that's and that's the kundalini symbol right.

00:40:53.430 --> 00:40:55.140 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: That is yeah.

00:40:55.620 --> 00:40:58.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and what's 52 Fridays about.

00:40:59.100 --> 00:41:05.340 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: So this book is a collection of fantasies and.

00:41:06.420 --> 00:41:16.380 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: This is more a poly kinky tantric love story between two lesbian oriented lovers, who have beloved male other partners.

00:41:16.830 --> 00:41:23.430 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And every Friday they get together and they explore their sexuality and every unimaginable way.

00:41:24.390 --> 00:41:34.200 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And it comes with the depth of how does one navigate so many relationships and jealousy and negotiate various scenes and.

00:41:35.040 --> 00:41:46.860 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: So it is very much a fantasy but, like everything I write it has an educational you know, at the end of it you're enlightened to hey let's do relationship, a little differently.

00:41:46.890 --> 00:41:53.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: yeah yeah so speaking of that I would love to talk a little bit about sort of the.

00:41:54.300 --> 00:42:17.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The the the flowering of alternative relationships and and how I mean you were on this series polyamory married in dating how that is becoming also more in the public kind of you you're starting to see that crop up, I know you know, as I mentioned before we had.

00:42:18.810 --> 00:42:34.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Roger nygaard who's been on the show who we touched upon it a little bit in his episode, but i'm also seeing even people like Esther perel who's a very well known psychologist talking about relationships and how we come to things.

00:42:37.350 --> 00:42:47.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Do you see well, I mean being in California, I think it's probably a little bit different than being in New York, but what, what do you feel about these this.

00:42:48.990 --> 00:42:52.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Opening to these alternative kinds of relationships let's call them.

00:42:53.580 --> 00:43:03.150 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: personas in New York, has an enormous open relationship community and it's very abundant wonderful place to explore alternatives to.

00:43:03.990 --> 00:43:12.930 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: monogamy, and so what i'm, seeing as a trend and again i've been on this path for 20 years so i've gotten to be right out the.

00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:25.170 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: I would say, you know when our show came out right around that time it was like Okay, this is no longer just a fad this isn't, just like in the 60s, where it's like oh there's a little free love thing it's like no actually.

00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:51.180 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: The ground of cultural conversation has shifted around a monogamy is a choice and an option and it's not the only one, whereas before it's like this is the only way, and the default, so I genuinely feel that there's a again a wholeness because.

00:43:52.920 --> 00:44:03.060 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Part of our biology, as both Esther perel and you know, Christopher Ryan and sex at dawn would say we have immense evidence that shows that.

00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:06.180 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: animals, including humans.

00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:10.980 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Have you know this this immense capacity for.

00:44:12.060 --> 00:44:27.330 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: bonding with multiple partners yeah so I feel that it's a wholeness it's like okay what's the truth and and I also feel that it is a choice for different people there's different arrangements that are best and.

00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:37.740 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: You know, there is no one way to do open relationship either you know it's like I happen to have a husband of almost 20 years and we have.

00:44:38.100 --> 00:44:48.570 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: about a dozen other lovers that, some of which we share, most of which know each other, some of which we don't you know, like that's how we're doing it, but for other people it's just.

00:44:49.020 --> 00:44:59.880 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: super simple it's three people completely committed nobody else you know there's there's just all kinds of iterations and, ultimately, what it comes down to is.

00:45:00.870 --> 00:45:11.820 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Are you being true to your heart to who you are and what and and what's the truth of those relationships, not for someone else to tell you what it should look like yeah.

00:45:12.120 --> 00:45:26.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I realized that these kinds of discussions are getting more and more in the mainstream when there was an article and I forget what whether it was in the new yorker or the New York Times, or like one of the you know pretty standard mainstream papers, there was Article titled.

00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What is ethical non monogamy and why you should care.

00:45:31.770 --> 00:45:33.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I thought wow ethics.

00:45:33.720 --> 00:45:38.610 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Ethical non monogamy it's like in the mainstream so that really kind of open things to me.

00:45:40.230 --> 00:45:43.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And I would love to come to a house party at your place and.

00:45:44.580 --> 00:45:50.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You guys missed a great when you bring everyone together all right time for us to take our last break when we come back.

00:45:51.420 --> 00:45:59.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Perhaps you can give our audience some advice, if they want to start to learn or explore like what would you.

00:45:59.640 --> 00:46:08.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Give somebody as an advice, who who's just going to start dipping their toe in this path and start to learn about the temple artists it's called.

00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:21.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: wonder okay all right so everybody, please stay tuned you're listening to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity our guest this hour has been Camilla debbie mclemore and we will be right back after this.

00:48:39.600 --> 00:48:44.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant our awakening humanity we've been speaking with.

00:48:45.120 --> 00:48:55.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: pamela debbie mcclure author of the books sex shamans and 52 Fridays all about tantra sacred sacred sexuality and what's, also known as the temple arts.

00:48:56.730 --> 00:49:05.880 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so, first of all I have to ask you why is it known as the temple arts and then let's get into maybe some advice for our audience of how to dip their toe in the water, so to speak.

00:49:06.870 --> 00:49:11.070 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: probably heard the mantra my body is my temple.

00:49:12.870 --> 00:49:18.810 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And so, as these body temples were more awakening ourselves what we're.

00:49:20.310 --> 00:49:37.680 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: What we're essentially doing is bringing heaven to earth the temple arts is the practice of bringing heaven to earth through you know the senses in the in the physical realm and and so i'm a faculty member of the international school of temple arts and we.

00:49:39.240 --> 00:49:46.140 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Travel and offer immersive retreats and trainings mostly around sexual shamanism.

00:49:47.610 --> 00:49:55.530 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And there, which is similar you know it's kind of adjacent to the conversation we've been having about tantra and sacred sexuality, but.

00:49:56.580 --> 00:49:58.350 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: You know, when I contemplate.

00:50:00.990 --> 00:50:08.730 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: what's the best advice for the people that are wanting to start on this path you know it's such a.

00:50:09.330 --> 00:50:20.820 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: unique question to the individual where are they on their path and with their next step, but so i'm looking and i'm kind of widening my perspective and saying well what's the most general thing I could give that's really powerful.

00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:23.580 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: that's my cat, by the way in the background.

00:50:25.050 --> 00:50:26.580 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Always wanting to chime in.

00:50:27.720 --> 00:50:31.860 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: um you know, so I feel into your magnetism.

00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:37.200 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Sam as you teach, you know as a conscious consultant you're.

00:50:38.580 --> 00:50:46.050 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Often teaching people how to end reminding something that's very natural is like okay well, what are you creating what are you.

00:50:47.400 --> 00:51:03.510 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: intending right, I would ask people to really look at their love life and their sex life and and ask what is it that i'm really wanting like what would be the wildest dream that would be most freeing to me.

00:51:04.590 --> 00:51:14.430 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And then I would ask them to say why like Why do I want that, because maybe it's like ooh like like you were teasing i'd love to come to you one of the orgies at your House party right.

00:51:15.660 --> 00:51:26.400 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Why why really, what does that give you um because, ultimately, when we follow that thread it's I want a sense of maybe its.

00:51:28.950 --> 00:51:36.330 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: potency or connection, or to be in the oceanic or to be you know what is the the.

00:51:37.500 --> 00:51:46.740 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Frequency that you're wanting to feel and then to follow that to let that be your teacher okay so.

00:51:47.970 --> 00:51:59.760 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: I have this this wild like desire and it's pulling me in that direction, how do I have conversations that put me in that state how do I.

00:52:00.450 --> 00:52:16.290 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Accept invitations that bring up those feelings, for me, how do I in and to really truly follow like Let that be your guide on your path is okay, what will allow me to feel you know whether its potency that you want, or maybe it's.

00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:27.030 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: tenderness and sensitivity and softness like what is it that you're longing for let that guide you my cat has a lot to say about this.

00:52:30.990 --> 00:52:33.900 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: feline energy just do it.

00:52:34.620 --> 00:52:34.830 yeah.

00:52:36.030 --> 00:52:36.510 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: um.

00:52:38.520 --> 00:52:54.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Where do you see things going from here for people interested in tantra sex shamanism sacred sexuality, does it feel like it's going to continue to grow and be a more vibrant part of society or or does it.

00:52:55.230 --> 00:53:01.380 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: yeah there's no there's no going back, we have totally turn this page, I mean, I have to say, like.

00:53:01.740 --> 00:53:23.190 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: i'm overwhelmed with the response and the interest in the conversations like I can be in grocery stores, and you know strike up conversations with people it's a it's a total sea change and yeah this is this is just growing and I genuinely encourage people to find their their tribe.

00:53:23.250 --> 00:53:36.420 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Their teachers or you know who are your people in this journey like who can you connect with and expand the conversation with it's so important to do it, not just at home alone, listening to radio shows and reading books.

00:53:36.600 --> 00:53:50.760 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: But say let's let's put our bodies together let's explore this let's see what you know what downloads we can directly experience because it's not just theory.

00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:57.750 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: It really, really has to happen in all of the senses, you know and and it's a direct path.

00:53:58.770 --> 00:54:10.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And i'm curious, given that and in case anyone's wondering why we're having this conversation today it's because of course Sunday is valentine's day so right, this is the month where everyone talks about relationships.

00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:21.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But during this time of the pandemic and of dealing with things like coven relationships have been a little bit more difficult to navigate them before.

00:54:21.990 --> 00:54:35.700 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and i'm curious like now that people are sort of in a way spending more time with their closest partners and and sort of we don't feel quite as safe to go out and meet new people and hopefully.

00:54:36.270 --> 00:54:50.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, as things develop, you know, things will get better and we will be able to go out but, but what advice would you have towards people just around relationships in general, even if they're it's just a monogamous relationship about the intimacy within relationships.

00:54:54.240 --> 00:54:58.920 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Our relationships are reflections, you know have our own.

00:55:00.330 --> 00:55:04.020 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: relationship to self and so as we.

00:55:05.190 --> 00:55:16.620 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Whatever judgments, you have on your partner, whatever desires, you have for them say way more about the work that you need to do it in your own yard than theirs.

00:55:17.790 --> 00:55:29.340 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: And so you know, there is this a bit of a story and I kind of want to call it out this idea that Oh, with the pandemic relationships are harder i've heard that it's not just you they're actually also.

00:55:31.080 --> 00:55:37.410 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: deeper and richer and more real the fact that a lot of people have had to been locked down with their beloved's.

00:55:37.620 --> 00:55:50.310 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: it's like Okay, now the stuff that we need to work on is arising or wow how sweet and intimate we get even more time around, each other when we're usually too busy right and for those of you that are in lockdown alone.

00:55:51.210 --> 00:56:02.040 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: it's like you're with the beloved the deepest work that's the graduate school work okay now I get to see my own inner demons as well as angels.

00:56:04.350 --> 00:56:05.190 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: So yeah.

00:56:06.990 --> 00:56:19.920 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: It with valentine's coming up my bottom line message is, you know that doing the self work and the self love is going to expand any relationship, more than anything you can do yeah.

00:56:20.040 --> 00:56:25.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely absolutely because the most important relationship we have is the relationship with ourselves.

00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:33.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And when that relationship is solid and right, then our other relationships are going to be much, much better.

00:56:34.290 --> 00:56:46.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So katie Thank you so much for taking the time and getting up early on this Thursday to come on the show today, I really appreciate you if people want to learn more about your work or get in touch with you how would they find you.

00:56:46.860 --> 00:56:57.120 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: mala debbie COM i'd love to stay in touch to send you a monthly newsletter and in some free gifts kamala debbie COM yeah.

00:56:57.180 --> 00:57:02.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely and that's K ma la de vi.com.

00:57:03.570 --> 00:57:09.960 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: All right, thank you so much kamala have a wonderful wonderful valentine's day with all of your beloved's.

00:57:10.050 --> 00:57:12.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And thank you for doing the work that you.

00:57:12.240 --> 00:57:20.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Do I I really sense a certain level of maturity with the approach you take that you don't always find with people in this.

00:57:21.810 --> 00:57:25.980 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, in these this particular teachings.

00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.440 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So to me that that's, the most important thing is to bring that level of.

00:57:33.090 --> 00:57:34.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: maturity of of.

00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:55.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Not honoring of of siri not seriousness, but but taking it seriously, you know you don't want to take ourselves too seriously but but there's certain practices that we really want to treat sacredly I guess is the the word, I would like to you so so thank you so much.

00:57:55.350 --> 00:57:56.730 KD (They/Them) KamalaDevi: Thank you, Sam blessings.

00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:06.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And thank all of you, my loyal listeners for tuning in today, please stay tuned coming up next it's can foster show voices of courage followed later today.

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