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2021/02/09 - Famous New York Artistic Roundtables

[NEW EPISODE] Famous New York Artistic Roundtables

On this week’s show we will explore two famous “Roundtables” of New York: at the Algonquin Hotel, and Andy Warhol’s Factory.

My solo guest will be Rediscovering New York regular and the show’s Special Consultant, David Griffin of Landmark Branding.


Tune in for this fascinating conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

This week’s show David Griffin will take us on a journey to explore two famous “Roundtables” of New York: at the Algonquin Hotel, and Andy Warhol’s Factory. David is a lifelong architect enthusiast and the founder and CEO of landmark branding, David also has a special series “Called Room at the Top”, where he is the host with Jennifer Wallace. “ Call room on the Top” it’s a networking series that features tours of Manhattan's greatest buildings. David got interested in architecture when he first got hired as a kid to be costume interpreters at a Long Island museum. The Elegante hotel wasn’t always a hotel, it was a normal building where people got to pay rent and lived in their apartments. It was very common for people such as bachelors or people that have small families. It opened in 1902. Some of the famous members of the roundtable were Robert Benchley; he was a very well-known writer of that period. Dorothy Parker, ’s probably one of the most famous of the round table, she was well known for tossing around vicious insults at her friends.

Segment 2

Tula Bankhead was the model for the Disney villain Cruella Deville. Tula Bankhead was a stage actress at the time. She was part of a show called the “Little Fox” which was known as one of the greatest live performances of that time. The round table began to fade in 1869 in part to the Stock Market crash. It affected the style of the round table for these well-known funny lavish writers. The time wasn’t all glitz and glam, it was falling apart and you could no longer live that type of lifestyle. There was an oak room at the Elegante it was a very highly guarded place to perform. It was a very conservative and intimate room because not too many people were couldn’t get inside . It became one of New York's most premier nightclubs. Later on it closed down permanently in 2002 due to the fact David was tired and exhausted.

Segment 3

David is now doing a number of writing projects. David has an article and Ground Stoner he’s working on. David is also writing an article about the oldest brownstone in New York. A blog is also being created by David. The blog is about every building in The fifth Avenue. He’s also doing a new series for the New York adventure club, where they do virtual tours of global architecture. He has a talk coming up on the 26 which will be about artist homes and studios. It’s about how the great artists of the world have created their own environments, David mentioned. Andy Warhol had a way of really getting into the commercial reality of America. He did commercial drawings in fashion drawing advertisements. Andy Warhol's factory had three different locations. One of those locations was an industrial building on 241 E. 37th St. The rent Was only 100 dollars per year. Warhol had to leave in 1967 when they tore down the building. His first factory was covered in tin foil and silver paint. He did a lot of silkscreen work at his first factory. He also dipped into the filmmaking industry. The factory really had a feeling of studio 54 did as a Liza Minnelli and so many more walk through those doors.

Segment 4

The velvet underground was really bad. Warhol was also associated at the time. Meiko was the vocalist for the first two albums and she had a very unique voice. Baby Jane Warhol was The first of the Warhol superstars. She’s a major figure in the art world. She was an early start of Andy Warhol films. E.g. Sedgwick was a young lady who came from a very upper-class family and she kind of broadened Andy’s mind. But sadly she died of a drug overdose. The Andy Warhol era was full of artists and young people who passed away at a young age because they couldn’t keep up with the lifestyle. That was one of the reasons why the factory fell apart.


00:00:43.590 --> 00:00:44.850 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone.

00:00:46.440 --> 00:00:53.040 Jeff Goodman: Welcome to our listeners in the big apple from across the US and around the world i'm just Goodman, and this is rediscovering New York.

00:00:53.790 --> 00:01:00.630 Jeff Goodman: professionally i'm a real estate broker without with brown Harris Stevens, and as my listeners know I love this city.

00:01:01.440 --> 00:01:16.710 Jeff Goodman: rediscovering New York is a weekly program about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city, and we do it for interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists local musicians and artists and the occasional elected official.

00:01:17.940 --> 00:01:26.070 Jeff Goodman: On some shows we focus on an individual New York neighborhood we explore its history and its current energy what makes that particular New York neighborhood special.

00:01:27.060 --> 00:01:34.740 Jeff Goodman: Sometimes, like tonight we host a show about an interesting and vital color of the city and its history that's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:35.430 --> 00:01:42.930 Jeff Goodman: Prior episodes is covered topics as diverse and illuminating as American presidents who came from lived in we've had some interesting history here.

00:01:44.100 --> 00:01:49.200 Jeff Goodman: About half of them half we've talked about the history of women activists and the women's suffrage movement.

00:01:50.640 --> 00:02:03.030 Jeff Goodman: We have talked about the history of the city's LGBT community and the gay rights movement we've explored the history of bicycles and cycling, believe it or not, bicycles, have been part of our city for 200 years.

00:02:04.080 --> 00:02:11.370 Jeff Goodman: we've talked about the history of punk and opera those was separate shows, by the way, we've looked at our public library systems we have three of them here in the city.

00:02:12.090 --> 00:02:18.300 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the subway we visited some of our greatest train stations both past and present, and even some of our bridges.

00:02:19.470 --> 00:02:28.110 Jeff Goodman: After the broadcast each show is available on podcasts you can hear us on apple spotify Google podcasts soundcloud stitcher and other services.

00:02:28.770 --> 00:02:38.070 Jeff Goodman: Tonight we're going to have a special show we're going to talk about artistic roundtables in New York, actually, two of them one, the famous algonquin Roundtable.

00:02:38.430 --> 00:02:56.100 Jeff Goodman: And another round table a little bit later than that, and you were holes factoring and i'm dedicating the special show to one of my classmates from vassar she was a brilliant writer her name was Nancy frank and sadly she's no longer with us, but i'm sure she would have loved this program.

00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:07.020 Jeff Goodman: My guest tonight is the famous David Griffin David is the special consultant, and for the show, and we also collaborate on some other things.

00:03:07.890 --> 00:03:14.100 Jeff Goodman: David is a lifelong architectural enthusiast he provides great sales enhancing services for the national real estate community.

00:03:14.910 --> 00:03:23.310 Jeff Goodman: david's the founder and CEO of landmark branding his clients include architects design firms developers brokers and marketing companies.

00:03:24.090 --> 00:03:29.730 Jeff Goodman: David has created a special series called room at the top it's co hosted with Jennifer wallace of Nice an orc New York.

00:03:30.150 --> 00:03:35.970 Jeff Goodman: it's the only ongoing networking series and real estate to feature tours have been hatton's greatest buildings.

00:03:36.780 --> 00:03:42.660 Jeff Goodman: David has written a lot he his latest blog every building on fifth documents every single building on fifth avenue.

00:03:43.140 --> 00:03:49.080 Jeff Goodman: from Washington square right up to where fifth avenue ends at the Harlem river in Harlem that's where the Harlem armory is.

00:03:49.620 --> 00:03:59.130 Jeff Goodman: His writing has appeared in real estate weekly metropolis dwell and the national trusts preservation magazine David it's good to see you on the show Thank you so much, and welcome back.

00:03:59.730 --> 00:04:00.780 David Griffin: Very good to see you.

00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:03.150 Jeff Goodman: As we had a little technical difficulty.

00:04:04.590 --> 00:04:08.760 Jeff Goodman: But, thank goodness, it got resolved by air time we'll have to thank your computer technician.

00:04:10.830 --> 00:04:12.270 Jeff Goodman: They which is you, I think yeah.

00:04:13.980 --> 00:04:25.920 Jeff Goodman: David you're a regular a lot of our listeners know you and your background, but we haven't talked about your background and a little bit, so I want to ask you you're from New York in the metropolitan area but not from the city itself not originally.

00:04:26.550 --> 00:04:36.930 David Griffin: know, I was from a town out on long island near port Jefferson South that concept REACH and I lived there until I was about 11 or 12.

00:04:38.640 --> 00:04:47.370 David Griffin: And yeah I became interested in architecture, because my siblings and I were actually the first children to be hired by New York state to be costume interpreters.

00:04:47.820 --> 00:04:56.550 David Griffin: At a long island museum old bethpage village restoration, which is a village has been restored to the 60s appearance here the south shore of long island.

00:04:57.030 --> 00:05:11.670 David Griffin: And we used to go out and do the annual fair there, and also the Christmas holiday programs, we had a chance, sometimes actually stay in some of the old houses overnight, which was amazing, and I think that, along with other things kind of.

00:05:12.840 --> 00:05:17.610 David Griffin: sort of inculcated an interest in buildings in architecture about from a fairly young age.

00:05:18.450 --> 00:05:29.370 Jeff Goodman: So did you we've never talked about this before, did you stay at the buildings, like in the in the course of before and after you'd be a child docent or was it sort of to get you in the mood and orientation and then.

00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:38.940 David Griffin: We would actually spend the night there, there were a couple of the houses that were set up as sort of temporary office spaces and they had some.

00:05:39.390 --> 00:05:50.940 David Griffin: quarters upstairs so we would bring sleeping bags from the old rooms, as I recall the White House, we used to stay in dated back to the early 1700s around 1710 1720.

00:05:51.450 --> 00:05:56.820 David Griffin: was a big wooden house the gamble roof and very evocative of the Dutch colonial period.

00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:11.040 David Griffin: And a little creepy actually but but very interesting than just sort of the the idea that these things kind of had their own history to tell independently of just being buildings, I thought was very I love thinking about how old things.

00:06:12.150 --> 00:06:16.320 Jeff Goodman: Did you ever experience any kind of paranormal activity there I need.

00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:25.500 David Griffin: I was about to say my brother would be able to tell you more than I can but he did feel that there was some sort of a presence in that particular house.

00:06:26.880 --> 00:06:34.410 Jeff Goodman: Oh, one of the future shows, I decided we're going to do around Halloween is going to be a haunted houses in the city parent goes yeah yeah.

00:06:34.710 --> 00:06:39.210 Jeff Goodman: i'm doing a lot button some reading on it yeah that'll be a lot of fun, but we have to wait till Halloween for that to keep.

00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:50.070 Jeff Goodman: You know in in you know in theme um how did you get interested in architectural history and in New York history in particular we're not going to talk about architecture, but that's a big specialty of yours.

00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:58.410 David Griffin: Well, we are going to talk a little bit about architecture and then we're going to talk about the buildings and held these particular roundtables you call them.

00:06:58.890 --> 00:07:08.070 David Griffin: are just you know, observing things we used to travel up to see my files his family in Montreal, and my mother is an artist so she would create these diagrams of the city.

00:07:08.460 --> 00:07:15.570 David Griffin: and draw the building so like this is what this type of building with cycles what's this type of building looks like, and I think.

00:07:16.410 --> 00:07:30.000 David Griffin: her attention to detail with something that kind of sparked my mind's eye a bit, so I was learning things kind of through that method and just I think once you begin noticing your surroundings you never not notice your surroundings.

00:07:32.460 --> 00:07:40.890 Jeff Goodman: Well, speaking of surroundings and surroundings of the first round table we're going to talk about the algonquin round table, but before we talk about the people and what made the round table famous.

00:07:41.250 --> 00:07:49.530 Jeff Goodman: let's talk about the place where it actually happened the algonquin hotel on West 44th street it's actually one of my favorite places in the city.

00:07:50.070 --> 00:07:51.270 Jeff Goodman: Yes, it always a hotel.

00:07:51.660 --> 00:08:00.510 David Griffin: I was actually conceived as what is called an apartment hotel, meaning that people would rent the rooms as apartments have one service to the central facilities hotel.

00:08:00.780 --> 00:08:07.320 David Griffin: That was fairly common around the turn of the century, particularly for bachelor's or people who just had very small families.

00:08:07.740 --> 00:08:17.250 David Griffin: And it would open the 1902 it was very quickly converted to what we consider a traditional phone a quote lodging establishment, the hotel that we recognize.

00:08:18.060 --> 00:08:30.060 David Griffin: Its first owner manager is frank case he bought the hotel in 1927 and establish many of its traditions that's 181 rooms, the bow art style design, but the architect golden star it.

00:08:30.510 --> 00:08:37.650 David Griffin: it's actually fairly typical for the architecture of its time in terms of height that Scott sweet wall and sort of.

00:08:39.330 --> 00:08:56.850 David Griffin: It has a very nice carrier very sort of live in very roomy but i'm wondering this that I particularly anything fancy by the standards of its own J, we see it now as much more special, I think, then the people that first began to use it, it was really just sort of a hands on.

00:08:58.380 --> 00:09:05.430 Jeff Goodman: except maybe for the writers and other art types who started having lunch there on a weekly basis.

00:09:05.700 --> 00:09:08.040 Jeff Goodman: yeah what's the Roundtable what was the famous Roundtable.

00:09:08.250 --> 00:09:17.130 David Griffin: On the round table was a group of writers, as you say critics actors and socialites that they gathered initially as part of a practical joke on one of their.

00:09:17.940 --> 00:09:29.730 David Griffin: walcott it was a well known theater writer and they met for lunch probably every day at the algonquin hotel from 1919 until about 1929.

00:09:30.060 --> 00:09:32.940 Jeff Goodman: Oh, they actually met every day, I thought wow wow.

00:09:32.970 --> 00:09:37.470 David Griffin: yeah daily a daily occurrence, because most of them worked in the area, so.

00:09:38.130 --> 00:09:45.060 David Griffin: The newspapers were in the area, the theaters, of course, for the area, so it was easy thing to kind of step and failed on when I have lunch.

00:09:45.690 --> 00:09:54.450 David Griffin: It was a convenient spot for all of them I think they didn't they didn't have to travel too far and that's one of the reasons why this sort of coalesced around that that location.

00:09:55.980 --> 00:10:05.970 David Griffin: And at the luncheons they engaged in sort of wisecracks wordplay and witticisms are sort of fashionable at the time, we are thinking of the 1920s.

00:10:07.350 --> 00:10:24.360 David Griffin: Because a lot of them were newspaper columnist, or where people who calmness wrote about these observances were reported, so people have sort of steady stream of the sophisticated dialogue that was attributed to these people, and it really kind of.

00:10:25.380 --> 00:10:36.420 David Griffin: it's sort of engendered a whole new hallmark of conversation both I think a real life, but also in film, you know you listen to the movies of that time period the wisecracking in the screwball comedies and the romances and.

00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:49.920 David Griffin: thrillers and things that kind of we now call snark really had its roots in this period and the way that people would use sarcasm and extreme diffidence to kind of put a point across.

00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:55.620 Jeff Goodman: Aside from walcott who was some of the more famous members of the round table and what did they do.

00:10:56.430 --> 00:11:07.380 David Griffin: Well, there was, of course, Robert eventually was a famous member of the Round Table he was a fairly well known writer of the period less so now.

00:11:08.400 --> 00:11:17.070 David Griffin: Dorothy Parker is probably the most famous to this day of the Roundtable she had a reputation for pelting her friends vicious insults.

00:11:17.430 --> 00:11:24.480 David Griffin: And it was more probably harder than any other person that led to being dubbed a vicious circle that was the first name for the round table.

00:11:25.410 --> 00:11:34.230 David Griffin: They were then called the round table after caricature by a cartoonist named Evan Duffy who worked for the company eagle and he showed them sending it around table all wearing farmer.

00:11:34.740 --> 00:11:43.230 David Griffin: Presumably against each other's barbed observations, so that then became the popular server K for the group as a whole.

00:11:43.770 --> 00:11:53.130 David Griffin: And there were a lot of people who sort of dip in and out of the round table and Ferber was well known writer and journalist at the time she was associate with the round table.

00:11:54.600 --> 00:12:04.020 David Griffin: Helen Hayes actually a tool of bankhead the well known actress and Harpo marks the graph shows brother was a regular at the round table.

00:12:04.530 --> 00:12:21.480 David Griffin: And a number of other people primarily from the theater and critics sort of side of things, although there were some people who were in the arts as well, so it was it was a fairly broad sort of company, if you will, you.

00:12:22.230 --> 00:12:31.500 Jeff Goodman: mentioned the vicious circle, one of the fun indie movies, I saw in the 90s was Mrs Parker and the vicious circle, it was I was really captivated by it.

00:12:31.830 --> 00:12:32.910 David Griffin: yeah that's a great movie.

00:12:32.910 --> 00:12:37.710 David Griffin: Actually I think it's underrated I forget who is the actress who plays Dorothy Parker I know.

00:12:37.710 --> 00:12:40.080 Jeff Goodman: I think it was Parker posey I could.

00:12:40.800 --> 00:12:43.500 David Griffin: Actually, is Jennifer Jason Leigh Okay, thank you i'm sorry.

00:12:43.680 --> 00:12:45.570 David Griffin: and say listen to recordings of.

00:12:45.570 --> 00:12:55.320 David Griffin: Dorothy Parker because Parker had a very highly stylized accent, this was sort of the age what was called the transatlantic accent.

00:12:55.650 --> 00:13:13.020 David Griffin: Where people sort of had this half British half American why of talking and Parker really went into that with great gusto she she was very slow speaker and les really kind of threw herself into that role, listening to parker's way of executing herself.

00:13:14.250 --> 00:13:20.850 Jeff Goodman: we're gonna take a break in a minute, but I wanted to ask you to any of the members of the Roundtable do they actually work together professionally.

00:13:21.660 --> 00:13:28.530 David Griffin: Yes, actually there was one time where they all got together to work on an original theatrical production.

00:13:29.340 --> 00:13:33.990 David Griffin: which was Stage one night only if they are clean and 922 is called no sorry.

00:13:34.680 --> 00:13:46.980 David Griffin: and executed a musical number of featuring the song the everlasting lose by Dorothy Parker which one by Robert Sherwood to the bank head Helen Hayes and with Gilmore all play chorus girls.

00:13:47.700 --> 00:13:56.640 David Griffin: The greasy hag and o'neill play in one Act was by confident colleen walcott and Mr when passes by a million play.

00:13:57.210 --> 00:14:14.490 David Griffin: Milan, who of course wrote the House reporter books was a favorite target of Dorothy Parker she couldn't stand his writing, and she wants to review the House upper corner by saying the word honey mark the first place where she woke up because it was just so cutesy would see.

00:14:16.950 --> 00:14:23.460 Jeff Goodman: All right, this is good, this is a good place to take a short break we're going to be back in a moment we're going to take a break.

00:14:23.850 --> 00:14:33.630 Jeff Goodman: And when we do we're going to continue our conversations with David Griffin about famous New York roundtables we're talking about the algonquin Roundtable in this segment we'll be back in a moment.

00:14:39.630 --> 00:14:41.730 David Griffin: At www talk radio.

00:17:29.070 --> 00:17:35.730 Jeff Goodman: we're back to rediscovering New York on our episode, this is David, this is the hundred first episode of rediscovering the your can you believe it.

00:17:36.060 --> 00:17:38.100 David Griffin: wow graduations.

00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:43.140 Jeff Goodman: Thank you and you've been on the show special consultants for the start of which i'm really appreciative and thankful.

00:17:43.710 --> 00:17:44.040 David Griffin: Thank you.

00:17:44.550 --> 00:17:56.880 Jeff Goodman: And on this program we are focusing it's a special episode, we have one guest for the whole the whole show we're talking about several famous artistic circles in New York, the first one is the algonquin Roundtable which.

00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:06.690 Jeff Goodman: happened to place daily at the algonquin hotel for about a decade um we talked about right before the break David about collaboration.

00:18:07.170 --> 00:18:15.330 Jeff Goodman: wanted to ask you what what was some of the greatest professional accomplishments individually of some of the more famous Members who have accomplished with a in their own right.

00:18:15.660 --> 00:18:24.390 David Griffin: Well, I mean, I think that Dorothy Parker his reputation really sort of stands almost apart from a lot of the algonquin Roundtable members and that people.

00:18:24.900 --> 00:18:32.430 David Griffin: Think of her as a cultural figure and, in addition to her actual writing you know when I say something as a Dorothy Parker like comment, most people.

00:18:32.670 --> 00:18:43.050 David Griffin: sort of have an idea in their mind of what that means, so I think in some ways, despite the fact that she actually had a rather negative assessment of the algonquin Roundtable in her later years.

00:18:43.830 --> 00:19:01.950 David Griffin: She was really a major figure of that time period and really kind of a bellwether for criticism of the era and then you have Ross and his wife Jane grant and they were, of course, the founders workers so that's a major literary milestone in and of itself.

00:19:03.450 --> 00:19:07.530 David Griffin: To the bank head I think most people would be familiar with her as a.

00:19:07.590 --> 00:19:08.460 Jeff Goodman: guest darling.

00:19:08.940 --> 00:19:09.720 David Griffin: Yes, right.

00:19:11.190 --> 00:19:15.870 David Griffin: She she started actually as the model evidently for the Disney villainous cruella de vil.

00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:17.430 Jeff Goodman: Oh, she did.

00:19:17.520 --> 00:19:25.770 David Griffin: wow it was she had polly Delano a cousin of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, where the women who they modeled cruella de vil after.

00:19:26.730 --> 00:19:33.450 David Griffin: After cruel behavior was after to let her driving was after calling Delano who wrecked car after car after car.

00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:41.130 David Griffin: or that's my understanding of it done but to the bank and, of course, was extraordinarily well respected X stage.

00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:47.250 David Griffin: We know read through Spain performances, but she was really kind of one of the leading ladies of the LIFE fear of that time.

00:19:47.730 --> 00:19:54.990 David Griffin: Particularly for her work with Lillian hellman so little foxes to set to be one of the greatest performances ever given on American stage.

00:19:55.560 --> 00:20:11.040 David Griffin: and numerous others are you know, obviously, their respective this right, as our Center walcott I think people are still reading his essays Harpo marks obviously his films, with his brothers have sort of you know, become part of American culture and a very significant way.

00:20:13.230 --> 00:20:13.890 David Griffin: So.

00:20:13.950 --> 00:20:16.530 Jeff Goodman: No coward was associated for a bit.

00:20:16.740 --> 00:20:24.330 David Griffin: He was associated for a bit and Ferber Helen Hayes, as I mentioned, and a lot of people know how i'm hayes's a very significant factors are on right.

00:20:24.870 --> 00:20:31.110 David Griffin: Both of the stage and on screen probably a little bit more of a screen presence than bankhead was back in her day but.

00:20:32.070 --> 00:20:34.950 David Griffin: So there were there was quite a bit of significant talent going through.

00:20:35.490 --> 00:20:44.040 David Griffin: They don't always see it that way, themselves, however, as I said, Parker but looking back on it that it was a rather superficial group of people.

00:20:44.460 --> 00:20:58.050 David Griffin: And that she bought that they wasted a great deal of time she hated wisecracking she said wit has truth that wisecracking is merely exercising words and she felt that a lot of.

00:20:59.070 --> 00:21:07.050 David Griffin: sort of people kind of found a cultural dead end of around table, which was one of the reasons why I think began to fade in popularity is time I.

00:21:08.370 --> 00:21:18.480 Jeff Goodman: want to talk about the end of it was the feeling of it in a bit, but you mentioned that that Parker had some criticisms of it later on in her life, and I wanted to ask you about.

00:21:19.230 --> 00:21:26.220 Jeff Goodman: Other people who criticize the Roundtable I sort of call them the critics of the critics, I mean i'm table were a lot of writers, who you know.

00:21:27.300 --> 00:21:37.140 Jeff Goodman: we're sort of cutting in some of their assessments of some other people and other things at the time, what some other you know Famous people say about looking into the Roundtable.

00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:44.580 David Griffin: Well, you know, obviously, you have a group of people here who are noted, as primarily as critics regardless of whatever else it is they do.

00:21:44.910 --> 00:21:57.780 David Griffin: And they're also famous for you know loving very sarcastic and very poisonous remarks and people it's bound to happen that they're going to find their share of detractors and they did a lot of people did think that.

00:21:58.890 --> 00:22:08.790 David Griffin: The sort of superficial very, very polished, which was a little bit over the top, some people are actually accused them of rehearsing their witticisms in advance.

00:22:09.390 --> 00:22:17.250 David Griffin: This is also a time period where people began to accuse each other what's now called log rolling for those who are unfamiliar with the term, it means.

00:22:17.820 --> 00:22:30.780 David Griffin: When two writers get together or well quote unquote get together and each reviews the others book and gives each other's book of good notice it's like Oh well, I just loved excellence or connects like i'm such a fan of wise book.

00:22:31.260 --> 00:22:36.690 David Griffin: that's there's sort of a conflict of interest there because you know, obviously, are reviewing each other's text.

00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:40.890 Jeff Goodman: Is that kind of like you and I are complementing each other's programming.

00:22:42.210 --> 00:22:45.630 David Griffin: I wouldn't say so, because we're not really making any money off of it now.

00:22:48.270 --> 00:22:55.980 David Griffin: However, people who are well known, James thurber actually lived at the algonquin hotel he couldn't stand them he absolutely load that group.

00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:04.500 David Griffin: He accused of being too consumed by idiotic practical jokes he thought they were a bunch of you know, stupid adolescents, that is, I think one of the ways, but.

00:23:04.860 --> 00:23:13.380 David Griffin: hl Mencken who was actually much admired by many in the circle, he was a great critic of the time commented to his fellow writer, I need to lose.

00:23:13.890 --> 00:23:26.130 David Griffin: That their quote ideals are those of a vaudeville actress when it was extremely in the know and inordinately trashy so there were some people who just thought you know I don't know you have time to this nonsense.

00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:30.330 David Griffin: kind of let them have it with both barrels on on several occasions.

00:23:31.290 --> 00:23:39.870 Jeff Goodman: When with some of the more famous members of the Roundtable stop going to lunch at the algonquin went to the round table begin to lose some of its a circular.

00:23:40.890 --> 00:23:41.340 David Griffin: quality.

00:23:41.370 --> 00:23:42.570 Jeff Goodman: I think so yeah.

00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:53.430 David Griffin: Well there's a story that Edna firm or stop by the algonquin hotel one day after being away from the city for several years, I believe she was actually in Alaska at the time.

00:23:54.690 --> 00:24:00.480 David Griffin: And she stopped by the table and found a family from Kansas city sitting there having lunch.

00:24:01.050 --> 00:24:07.950 David Griffin: So she said to the hotel manager, who was still Mr case she said well what happened to the Roundtable and he said to her.

00:24:08.250 --> 00:24:22.650 David Griffin: Well, what happened to the reservoir 42nd street and fifth avenue you don't think anything here stays forever do you, and that was sort of the official end of it, but it began to say in around 1929 in part, I think, because of the stock market crash.

00:24:23.790 --> 00:24:35.550 David Griffin: And, in part because you know when that happened, I think there was a dramatic shift in American culture and the kind of glib breezy sort of style it was associated with these writers.

00:24:36.060 --> 00:24:52.740 David Griffin: began to fall out of favor things were not as easy as they had been things are not as funny as they had been and I think people were just kind of tired of the joke so by around 1929 after the crash around table quickly sort of faded into oblivion.

00:24:53.340 --> 00:25:06.060 Jeff Goodman: Although when you go I haven't been to the algonquin in a long time, but when I used to go not irregularly for lunch sometimes and sometimes to the blue bar which we'll get to there was that round table right in the back of the dining room still sitting.

00:25:06.060 --> 00:25:07.410 Jeff Goodman: There you know waiting to be.

00:25:08.310 --> 00:25:16.770 Jeff Goodman: To be see that, in fact, you know, with some of my political friends from stonewall democrats, I was trying to arrange us having dinner there but they were renovating the hotel and.

00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:24.480 Jeff Goodman: ovation and I got a call and they said the dining room is not ready yet we have to cancel the renovate the renovation, we were really a reservation we.

00:25:24.780 --> 00:25:25.590 Jeff Goodman: talked about that.

00:25:25.770 --> 00:25:27.930 Jeff Goodman: And that was my chance to shine with my you know with my.

00:25:28.350 --> 00:25:28.590 David Griffin: friends.

00:25:29.490 --> 00:25:31.320 Jeff Goodman: So we'll have to do it again after the pandemic.

00:25:32.850 --> 00:25:44.190 Jeff Goodman: we're talking about the art of the round table, but let's talk about two of the famous venues of the hotel the okra not the yolk room at the Plaza the famous soccer at the Plaza but the famous oak room at the algonquin what was the okra.

00:25:44.970 --> 00:25:58.320 David Griffin: Well, the oak room was basically a cabaret space, it was a very you know highly regarded place to perform it was paneled with with hope that's the name.

00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:04.740 David Griffin: It was sort of a very conservative room, it was sort of small scale, it was part of the original.

00:26:05.700 --> 00:26:15.660 David Griffin: design and it was really became one of New York city's premier nightclubs opening in 1939 and was France, called the opium supper club.

00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:22.080 David Griffin: And so close on account of World War Two it actually only reopened much later as a regular venue in 1980.

00:26:22.800 --> 00:26:37.290 David Griffin: and close unfortunately for good in 2002 when the hotel management was sort of shifted over to one of these then whatever chain, it is that owns and operates now shut down the awkward because it really wasn't that much of a money making proposition never happen.

00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:49.290 Jeff Goodman: Well cabarets don't really make money they even though some of the great performers and great great artists of all time and singing had performed cabarets they don't have the same sort of return.

00:26:49.590 --> 00:26:52.110 Jeff Goodman: As business component that theater does so it's.

00:26:52.350 --> 00:27:07.170 David Griffin: Mike Michael Feinstein was a person whose career was sort of launched at the Oklahoma and another person who might be better known to our general listeners was Harry connick jr who really got his start playing the piano there FDR moment hotel.

00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:09.300 Jeff Goodman: Was.

00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:18.450 David Griffin: Great jazz singer Sylvia Sim so very interesting person I actually looked up her history, while I was doing this and I I just found her story to be very.

00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:31.650 David Griffin: fascinating as a singer she actually died on stage there during a performance 1992 she was 75 and she succumbed to a heart attack, while singing so.

00:27:32.490 --> 00:27:46.590 David Griffin: um yeah that was probably I mean if you were a jazz singer of the period I can think of fewer places that you'd want to kind of take your final bow that early but that wasn't occurrence that did happen at the oak room.

00:27:49.770 --> 00:27:55.440 Jeff Goodman: The Plaza hotel has eloise in in folklore.

00:27:56.040 --> 00:28:01.560 Jeff Goodman: The algonquin doesn't have a little girl, but the algonquin has cats or has had cats.

00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:06.900 David Griffin: Yes, the hotel has a tradition of keeping a cat that used to have the total run of the place.

00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:14.010 David Griffin: And the practice appears to date the 1930s when frank case took in a straight male cat that was named rusty.

00:28:14.580 --> 00:28:24.840 David Griffin: So legend has it that the actor Jon Barry Morris was dropping by for dinner himself the cat needed more quote unquote dignified name and suggested renaming rusty Hamlet.

00:28:25.290 --> 00:28:31.890 David Griffin: So nowadays whenever the hotels, a cat all the mail cats are named Hamlet and all the female ones are named Matilda.

00:28:32.820 --> 00:28:39.720 David Griffin: The last Matilda who unfortunately is no longer with us was actually what they call a red dog cat very pretty cat.

00:28:40.020 --> 00:28:51.480 David Griffin: That has fluffy for and a somewhat Siamese cat like series of markings and they're very well known for being very accommodating very docile gentle easy to play with us rag all then decide to.

00:28:52.320 --> 00:29:10.050 David Griffin: fold in any shape that they need to, and I think she was with the hotel for about 12 years the current cat is Hamlet he's Hamlet the eighth um but yeah I, given the fact that were a pandemic he's no problem, we were tied to his little kitty cat penthouses.

00:29:13.230 --> 00:29:25.230 Jeff Goodman: Well, good for him with the eighth we're going to end on a good note, one of my favorite topics which are drinks and martinis there was a famous bartender of nodes at the hotel and the blue room, you want to talk about him.

00:29:25.830 --> 00:29:27.870 Jeff Goodman: Yes, include our algonquin conversation.

00:29:28.050 --> 00:29:30.870 David Griffin: The the blue room, of course, is the bar at.

00:29:30.870 --> 00:29:32.880 Jeff Goodman: The door, not the blue room sorry the blue bar.

00:29:33.180 --> 00:29:40.020 David Griffin: The blue bar is of course the bar at the algonquin hotel it incorporates a portion of the former oak realm that we were discussing earlier.

00:29:40.530 --> 00:29:55.080 David Griffin: They expanded the bar into that space for a long while, was the bartender at the hotel and was actually the oldest person to hold such a position in New York state he served with the algonquin for 30 years and over time and 2009.

00:29:55.830 --> 00:30:02.130 David Griffin: He was the age of 90 when he did so, and I believe he had a hand creating the algonquin hotels.

00:30:04.290 --> 00:30:14.400 David Griffin: sort of the F anonymous drink, which is named the algonquin, which is a mixture of whiskey vermouth and pineapple juice and i'll often hotel.

00:30:15.300 --> 00:30:23.760 Jeff Goodman: Well i'll have to try it when the blue bar opens and I can go back and patronize the bar at the algonquin or any bar for that matter.

00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:37.890 Jeff Goodman: we're going to take a short break and when we come back David and I are going to talk well mostly David I just asked the questions we're going to talk about the another famous artistic circle Andy warhol factory we'll be back in a moment.

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00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:38.610 Jeff Goodman: Our guest tonight is the great David Griffin David is the show special consultant he's also the founder and CEO of landmark branding i'm David what are some of the interesting projects that you're working on at landmark right now that people can find out about an access.

00:34:39.450 --> 00:34:47.010 David Griffin: Well i've been doing a number of writing projects, I have a major article out and brownstone or the current issue.

00:34:47.550 --> 00:34:54.600 David Griffin: That i'm very pleased with, which is a history of 10 montague charisse which one of the largest brownstone mansions left in New York City it's in brooklyn.

00:34:54.930 --> 00:35:08.580 David Griffin: Really beautiful house very happy you've had a chance to write about it, I am in the process of making some updates to my blog which has been sort of in spaces for a while a blog is every building on fifth, which was the capsule every single building on fifth avenue.

00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:10.890 Jeff Goodman: And quite a work it's it's it's.

00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:13.530 Jeff Goodman: it's almost like a multivolume set.

00:35:13.560 --> 00:35:16.170 Jeff Goodman: of architectural extravaganza.

00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:26.880 David Griffin: It took me several years to finish in part because I had to block off time in order to walk stretches of fifth and I didn't take the photographs so sort of like all right ones, the good weather one do I have the time to do this.

00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:37.140 David Griffin: Take 20 pictures hope that that's enough for the the chapter that I had but yes so i'm going to be making some additions to that I have some other writing projects that i'm working on.

00:35:37.590 --> 00:35:43.500 David Griffin: And I am doing a new series for the New York adventure club that people are interested in that.

00:35:44.250 --> 00:35:54.660 David Griffin: For anyone Schneider is the founder of the New York adventure club and we're doing some virtual tours of global architecture so i'm actually taking a worldwide look at certain types of buildings.

00:35:55.020 --> 00:36:03.420 David Griffin: I have a talk coming up on the 26 which will be about artists, homes and studios so it'll be a way to sort of see how.

00:36:03.750 --> 00:36:13.050 David Griffin: The great artists, of the world have kind of created their own environments i'm really looking forward to that and that'll be the first of a series of similar programs, and all the glory.

00:36:13.590 --> 00:36:19.410 Jeff Goodman: And I heard a rumor that you're also going to be talking on a special program about Harlem night live, past and present i'm looking forward to that.

00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:22.980 David Griffin: Yes, yes, hosted by my good friend Jeff good.

00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:35.340 Jeff Goodman: Speaking about famous artists and what they do the factory Andy warhol was one of the most famous artists in United States and probably the most famous of his time.

00:36:36.600 --> 00:36:45.150 Jeff Goodman: And he might have been the poster child, for what we know now is pop art before we talk about the factory let's talk a little bit about warhol, what do you think made him so popular in his time.

00:36:45.930 --> 00:36:54.990 David Griffin: I think warhol had a way of tapping into and then commenting on the commercial reality of life in America, after the post war period.

00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:02.970 David Griffin: I think he was he went into commercial art, he was a trained goddess you did commercial drawings, he did fashion drawings advertisements.

00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:10.770 David Griffin: And he brought that sensibility sort of out of that realm and into the fine art world in a way that very few people had prior.

00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:18.060 David Griffin: pop art as a movement actually started in Great Britain, with a few painters over there, who worked primarily with a large.

00:37:18.450 --> 00:37:26.910 David Griffin: But they didn't quite have the take on it, the warhol did, which was to really kind of look at the way that processing images.

00:37:27.390 --> 00:37:35.970 David Griffin: Was the same thing now is processing celebrity and that there were new ways of being famous that didn't have to do with know sort of.

00:37:36.570 --> 00:37:43.410 David Griffin: here's the Queen giving you the sash of this, the garter of that that this that the other thing, there are ways to kind of a cruel thing.

00:37:43.830 --> 00:37:48.990 David Griffin: That we're like accruing a product, and I think that was what warhol was talking about as.

00:37:49.470 --> 00:37:55.200 David Griffin: Well, and I think that really struck a chord with a lot of Americans because well who doesn't want to be rich and famous so.

00:37:55.740 --> 00:38:02.820 David Griffin: warhol was about that he was about the need to be rich and famous and the way it that's sort of built into American society on a certain level, and I think.

00:38:03.720 --> 00:38:08.820 David Griffin: You know people said a lot of people critique was being very superficial, but I mean i'm sort of it well American culture.

00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:21.390 David Griffin: On that level is very superficial, so I often wonder what he would have made of the kardashians, for example, probably nothing because he'd already kind of foretold with that was wanting to be the way that things were going to turn out so.

00:38:22.650 --> 00:38:34.590 David Griffin: Reality TV is very much sort of a thing that I think warhol Warsaw and away, and I think his view of America is very intriguing for how kind of prescient was.

00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:38.010 Jeff Goodman: Well, I think he might have done some screen paintings of the kardashians.

00:38:40.230 --> 00:38:41.880 David Griffin: Oh yes, they made money he definitely.

00:38:42.390 --> 00:38:51.660 Jeff Goodman: Absolutely, but I think even warhol might be surprised to find out, posthumously, what his what some of his artists selling for after he sadly died.

00:38:52.890 --> 00:39:02.850 Jeff Goodman: What was the factory David and how did he get its name, you tend not to think of of art studios as factories, but and but the factories famous what was what was it intended to get its name.

00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:15.870 David Griffin: Well, on the factory actually had three different locations and the original factory was in an industrial building was on the fifth floor at 231 East 27th street in midtown the red was only $100 per year.

00:39:15.990 --> 00:39:17.760 Jeff Goodman: per year, not even run.

00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:22.680 David Griffin: Last, this was not a desirable location let's put it that way and.

00:39:23.070 --> 00:39:25.560 Jeff Goodman: The United Nations down the block it wasn't considered desirable.

00:39:25.620 --> 00:39:34.590 David Griffin: And, was it was a mess what a lot of people don't realize is that a great deal of that area where the United Nations now stands was actually industrial in character.

00:39:35.250 --> 00:39:50.850 David Griffin: There were slaughterhouses there, there were barge ports there and the renovations and kind of justification that went on, with the creation of places like diekman place second place, that was a little bit further to the north, so that whole part of the city was really a lot more.

00:39:51.870 --> 00:40:00.210 David Griffin: kind of run down and desolate and people would assume that a would be considering the fact that so close to things we now think it was being very famous.

00:40:01.170 --> 00:40:10.110 David Griffin: we're all actually had to leave in 1967 when they demolish the building they tore down in order to build a luxury apartment house, so the neighborhood definitely changed.

00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:19.500 David Griffin: While he was there, and he relocated his studio to the sixth floor of what's called the deck or building it's a 33 Union square West it's still stands.

00:40:19.950 --> 00:40:28.350 David Griffin: And you know the corner of the 16th street that's probably the location that's the most famous where most of the activity happened the people associated with the factory.

00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:45.060 David Griffin: There was a third location in 1973 he moved 860 broadway That was the north end and Union square that building is also still there that's much larger, but it was less open to the public, for reasons that we will get into momentarily.

00:40:46.140 --> 00:40:55.560 Jeff Goodman: let's yes let's let's talk about the first factory, there was a very special way that it was decorated you want to talk about that and it's striking to see pictures of it now.

00:40:55.980 --> 00:41:05.580 David Griffin: Ray Johnson was the artist took what was what was called a hair cutting party ability names apartment or decorated with tin foil and silver paint.

00:41:06.030 --> 00:41:21.240 David Griffin: And warhol fell in love with the environment and asked me to do the same scheme for his loft that he had just leased the original factory Rachel is often referred to as the silver factory because it had an also very interior silver painted tin foil mirrors that sort of thing.

00:41:22.620 --> 00:41:39.600 David Griffin: Those are basic decorating materials that evidently were loved by users of amphetamines now i'm not sure why, as I have never used to have to plan on that, but it was something that was a kind of a.

00:41:40.890 --> 00:41:53.700 David Griffin: Inside joke, if you will, among that Community and I imagine that, whatever the colors in front of fractal qualities and things like me or glass might enhance whatever the effectiveness of the drug question.

00:41:55.230 --> 00:41:57.150 Jeff Goodman: What kind of art was created at the factory.

00:41:58.410 --> 00:42:11.460 David Griffin: A lot of things warhol is you know was fame for a series of silk screens and so a lot of that process went on at the factory and he was also very interested in filmmaking was a photographer, of course.

00:42:12.120 --> 00:42:21.210 David Griffin: He made films himself and he encouraged other filmmakers to work with him, so the factory became this space where there was one person who said, you know.

00:42:21.870 --> 00:42:27.030 David Griffin: john cale I believe in the new musician said it wasn't called the factory for nothing.

00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:34.860 David Griffin: It was where the assembly line for the self things happen well one person was making yourself screen somebody else will be filming a speed test or working on a piece of music.

00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:49.440 David Griffin: Every day with something new, they were always creating thing so, unlike the old often Roundtable where it was essentially bad an homage and I kind of war of witticisms the factory was really a place where things were being made.

00:42:50.850 --> 00:43:02.790 Jeff Goodman: And before we talk about some of the creative types who that some people might recognize their names were whole assembled quite an interesting collection of assembly line workers for his factor, he didn't it.

00:43:03.090 --> 00:43:06.420 David Griffin: Yes, so called warhol superstars.

00:43:08.070 --> 00:43:16.140 David Griffin: superstars were an interesting group of people, a lot of them were members of the transsexual community such as candy darling, for example.

00:43:16.830 --> 00:43:29.010 David Griffin: or they were a transvestite they were drag Queens like Hollywood lawn and they were other artists, they were writers, they were kind of free thinkers they were Bohemian some of them like he such work were.

00:43:29.580 --> 00:43:37.980 David Griffin: Very well, to do very aristocratic this of them like billy name kind of just are entirely self invented characters and.

00:43:38.490 --> 00:43:44.430 David Griffin: They kind of created this amazing buzz around the factory, they were helping warhol with actually producing material.

00:43:44.790 --> 00:43:49.950 David Griffin: But they were also doing their own projects and they were all these sort of larger than life personalities so.

00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:57.750 David Griffin: The factory became a kind of a place that people wanted to see wanted to visit a lot of very famous people.

00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:05.280 David Griffin: You know, stop by everyone from title of nobility to Hollywood stars like lines of an alien barbra streisand and.

00:44:06.120 --> 00:44:15.810 David Griffin: The factory really took on this quality of as studio 54 the famous disco during the same time period of being a place that kind of transcended certain.

00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:24.840 David Griffin: race class and gender lines, no matter who you were if you were doing something that was interesting you had some.

00:44:25.500 --> 00:44:39.060 David Griffin: zone of admittance to this world, I think that that was another thing that that made warhol himself up here very attractive that he was kind of this this kind of ringmaster of this new way of interacting with each other on that level of culture.

00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:59.940 Jeff Goodman: Some of the names that other people might recognize the people who hung around the factory, but not in not in the 60s well in the 60s William s burroughs would have been there i'm Michel basquiat yeah Keith haring debbie Harry making bianca jagger grace Jones Keith richards pull morrissey.

00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:08.970 Jeff Goodman: And Lou reed also hung out there, do you want to talk a little bit about about one of the most famous singles that people know.

00:45:09.150 --> 00:45:17.610 David Griffin: Well Lou reed's walk on the wild side, of course, is one of his sort of best known songs from his solo career.

00:45:18.060 --> 00:45:24.120 David Griffin: It was released on his first really commercially successful album which was transformer in 1972.

00:45:24.690 --> 00:45:31.920 David Griffin: And I love the name actually I mean, I feel that it has a lot to do with warhol in the sense that you know read a saying.

00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:41.100 David Griffin: A transformers of electrical objects device the power and something but we're also talking about transforming culture through observing it so.

00:45:41.490 --> 00:45:49.590 David Griffin: The song relates to the superstars and the life of the factory you mentioned Hollywood lawn candy darling Joe Joe sanrio Jackie curtis.

00:45:49.890 --> 00:46:01.200 David Griffin: and Joe Campbell was referred to in the song wise factory nickname sugar plum fairy and walk on the wild side is really it's very ambivalent in a way it's not necessarily an affectionate song.

00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:11.430 David Griffin: But it is about the kind of culture of transgression that was sort of permeating and associated with the factory at that time.

00:46:13.080 --> 00:46:22.500 Jeff Goodman: we're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with David Griffin about Andy warhol and his seems factor your factories there were three of them will be back in a moment.

00:46:24.930 --> 00:46:27.540 David Griffin: To talk radio and my see.

00:46:29.220 --> 00:46:30.360 educate and.

00:48:38.010 --> 00:48:49.590 Jeff Goodman: we're back and you're back to rediscovering New York and episode 101 we're talking about famous artistic roundtables in New York and on this part of the show we're focusing on indie world holes.

00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:55.950 Jeff Goodman: factory I almost said round table there for a second i'm David who i've been holding up this.

00:48:57.450 --> 00:48:59.130 Jeff Goodman: jacket of a double book.

00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:04.050 Jeff Goodman: thing I got I got in Montreal I didn't realize that when I bought it, it was only 100 Canadian dollars.

00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:08.910 Jeff Goodman: It actually is in French, which is okay, because I can read a little bit of French i'm not as fluent i'm not fluent in French.

00:49:10.350 --> 00:49:14.190 Jeff Goodman: Who were the Velvet underground and NICO What was their significance in the factory.

00:49:15.270 --> 00:49:19.110 David Griffin: Well um the Velvet underground, of course, was a band, that is.

00:49:20.130 --> 00:49:32.280 David Griffin: sort of associated with warhol of the period Lou reed being a figure of man NICO was the vocalist, for I believe was the first two albums you probably know more about them than I do.

00:49:33.660 --> 00:49:49.890 David Griffin: But she had a various theory all sounds to her and their music really had a huge influence on the development of later I think kind of new wave material and other music that was being created in the late 1970s or 80s.

00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:53.670 Jeff Goodman: Do you want to talk about the exploding plastics.

00:49:54.630 --> 00:50:01.650 David Griffin: The exploding plastics nothing quite like the exploding plastics um let's see.

00:50:03.450 --> 00:50:04.530 David Griffin: Maybe you should talk about.

00:50:04.560 --> 00:50:17.130 Jeff Goodman: Well, we don't have to talk about these floating plastics, if I just thought that they were a fun thing to talk about um I want to talk about a couple of the warhol superstars baby Jane hold Sir and ED cedric Who are they and What were they known for.

00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:26.820 David Griffin: Well, maybe Jane also was the first of the war, all superstars and she is now you know, an artist in her own right she's been a major figure in the art world for many years.

00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:40.590 David Griffin: And she sort of became known for these kind of aphoristic works of art, she was a early star of many of warhols films and she was sort of part of the whole deadpan culture of the time.

00:50:41.310 --> 00:50:47.940 David Griffin: You know baby holder was a person who was a superstar because we're all sections Star and she kind of took that and ran with it.

00:50:48.390 --> 00:50:58.890 David Griffin: And ED sedgwick was a very well to do young lady she came from a very upper class family and she was sort of drawn to warhols world I think for.

00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:07.650 David Griffin: You know, for reasons that I think we're we're her own she was kind of fascinated by the idea of this life that was of transgression it wasn't the sensibilities and raised with.

00:51:08.070 --> 00:51:18.810 David Griffin: She was a very beautiful woman she photographed gorgeously she was the quote unquote star of several of the screen tests which were photographic wheels are created during that time period.

00:51:19.290 --> 00:51:30.900 David Griffin: And unfortunately, as the many of the Members of this particular group of people, she did die of a drug overdose at a very young age, so.

00:51:31.770 --> 00:51:41.820 David Griffin: I think there was some depth there that remained on chat and I think it's also important to kind of acknowledge the fact that this lifestyle was not.

00:51:42.660 --> 00:51:50.430 David Griffin: Positive necessarily for everyone, you know that people did fall by the wayside literally or figuratively.

00:51:50.970 --> 00:52:02.040 David Griffin: And that you know, there was a sense that if you were shut out of this, it was catastrophic for some of these people will be talking a little bit about that, I think, when we get to our salon us.

00:52:03.120 --> 00:52:06.060 David Griffin: Which is sort of the ultimate sort of factory moment in a way.

00:52:06.720 --> 00:52:07.530 Jeff Goodman: It has to do.

00:52:07.590 --> 00:52:19.500 David Griffin: yeah you know I mean what could be more ironic than that but yeah I think that a lot of warhols people what people who did burn the candle at both ends and.

00:52:20.640 --> 00:52:24.420 David Griffin: checked out at a fairly early age, and then you could click on Dean.

00:52:25.530 --> 00:52:29.040 David Griffin: You know, numerous other people who died in there, you know 30s 40s 50s.

00:52:30.540 --> 00:52:42.000 David Griffin: You know just the the lifestyle, the drugs that separate self worth it, caught up so that was probably one of the reasons why the factory, like the Roundtable began to fade away.

00:52:43.110 --> 00:52:46.830 David Griffin: You know people just couldn't live like that 24 seven no.

00:52:47.400 --> 00:53:04.140 Jeff Goodman: Other way the exploding plastics inevitable was a series of multimedia events warhol organized and it featured music by the Velvet underground and NICO and also screenings of warhols films and dancing performances on on location.

00:53:05.430 --> 00:53:16.230 Jeff Goodman: let's talk about warhol films before we get to one of the sort of outcasts who would change wormholes life's not for the better what was unique about wormholes films.

00:53:17.190 --> 00:53:27.960 David Griffin: Well, a lot of his films were based sort of on the idea that observing something was enough that you didn't have to have a narrative you don't have to have a storyline.

00:53:28.740 --> 00:53:33.270 David Griffin: You know, you could look at something and just look at it and look at it and look at it and look at it and look at it.

00:53:33.570 --> 00:53:49.410 David Griffin: I think one of warhols most significant films is called empire, and it is a as I recall to 2026 hours long as a single real film of the empire state building.

00:53:49.950 --> 00:53:55.890 David Griffin: And, at one point, you know the lights go on, as you know, the sky darkens you only see the empire state building.

00:53:56.280 --> 00:54:03.480 David Griffin: And then I believe briefly right before the end there's a glimpse of the seagull flying between the camera and the building.

00:54:03.930 --> 00:54:09.720 David Griffin: And you know there's some people who say it's really kind of remarkable that warhol points his camera it's something that is.

00:54:10.290 --> 00:54:14.280 David Griffin: You know, at that time it was the tallest building in New York City was the tallest building world.

00:54:14.700 --> 00:54:27.990 David Griffin: And it is a great work of art DECO architecture, but to look at it in that way and kind of just say objectively, this is what 24 hours or however long it is looking at the empire state building is like it's sort of a little bit about.

00:54:29.370 --> 00:54:38.970 David Griffin: Taking things for granted it's sort of a little bit about I think the fact that things we film or photograph have an independent existence in the real world, they continue onwards, they don't.

00:54:39.630 --> 00:54:47.160 David Griffin: You know they're not there for us they're there because they're there and I think a lot of that crept into warhols more narrative.

00:54:47.520 --> 00:54:52.170 David Griffin: style film, so there weren't a lot of them, but there were a number of films, like, for example, flush for Frankenstein.

00:54:52.530 --> 00:54:57.960 David Griffin: warhols Dracula these are actually films were made more by other directors other people that were made under the.

00:54:58.350 --> 00:55:06.540 David Griffin: rubric but they had a kind of a deadpan gloss them there's a film called silent night deadly night, that is, on the face of it, it's a.

00:55:07.050 --> 00:55:16.620 David Griffin: tacky horror film from like 1982 or something as Mary one off in it on dina's in a candy darling is in it all these other people are in it's basically the warhol crowd.

00:55:17.070 --> 00:55:28.140 David Griffin: And it's set in this old mansion on long island and you know killer hacks everybody up in some ways it's like the dumbest thing you've ever seen, but it's kind of about that dumbness in a way.

00:55:28.170 --> 00:55:29.640 David Griffin: So I think that's what.

00:55:29.730 --> 00:55:34.200 David Griffin: we're always saying he once he once said, the best parody of anything is the thing itself.

00:55:35.370 --> 00:55:37.230 David Griffin: I think that gets to the heart of his films.

00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:48.540 Jeff Goodman: Well, David, like all of our talks on the air time has gone by really fast and we're almost at a time and the minute we have left i'll talk about Valerie solanas who shot Andy warhol.

00:55:48.750 --> 00:55:51.720 David Griffin: hi yes, and if you ever want to see the film is shot.

00:55:51.720 --> 00:55:52.800 Jeff Goodman: Andy warhol.

00:55:53.040 --> 00:55:59.760 David Griffin: I totally recommend it if brilliantly done, I think lily Taylor and plays Bowers so honest as a brilliant job with that role.

00:56:00.120 --> 00:56:18.630 David Griffin: Now I saw this was a feminist writer have some notoriety she was extremely eccentric she was called the scum that manifesto the Society for cutting up men and she had a real sort of i'm not quite sure what the what the term would be to call her understand risk would be.

00:56:19.680 --> 00:56:29.130 David Griffin: dishonest actually would be not overstating the case she left a play in warhols office wanted him to read it review it someone misplace this.

00:56:30.120 --> 00:56:36.060 David Griffin: She thought he had stolen it she thought that he had some kind of nefarious plan for it, she grew obsessed with him.

00:56:36.600 --> 00:56:42.180 David Griffin: She went to the factory and the director of building, which is one on Union square was the second of the factory locations.

00:56:42.540 --> 00:56:50.070 David Griffin: And you know as a 100 very open door policy at that time anyone could come in, who want to do, and she went upstairs and she.

00:56:50.850 --> 00:57:12.540 David Griffin: demanded the play I believe from his Secretary The Secretary said we don't have it, and so she shot Andy warhol several times, she shot an art critic she tried to shoot me an agent but her gun champ she turned herself in immediately afterward um but she really had.

00:57:13.650 --> 00:57:18.420 David Griffin: injured we're all very severely he was in very, very poor health for the rest of his life.

00:57:19.110 --> 00:57:26.880 David Griffin: The gallbladder operation that he had in his 50s that led to his death probably did so because his health was in such fragile state from.

00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:32.610 David Griffin: That and one of the interesting kind of footnotes to that was that warhol himself.

00:57:33.570 --> 00:57:40.620 David Griffin: said about the attack before I was shot, I always thought that I was more half there they're all there.

00:57:40.980 --> 00:57:50.280 David Griffin: I always suspected that I was watching TV instead of living life people sometimes say that's the way things happen in movies, is unreal but actually it's the way things happen in life that's not real.

00:57:50.670 --> 00:57:57.930 David Griffin: The movies make emotions look so strong and real whereas when things really do have to you it's like watching TV you don't feel anything.

00:57:58.290 --> 00:58:12.720 David Griffin: Right, when I was being shot and ever since I knew that I was watching TV the Channel switch but it's all TV and one of the bullets from Valerie solanas here's a large corporate of Marilyn Monroe we're all had been working on.

00:58:13.770 --> 00:58:27.690 David Griffin: That work is now referred to as orange shot Maryland it has the bullet hall from Valerie Valerie still want to send it and one of the critics said what could be better, but how can you improve a painting of Marilyn Monroe by Andy warhol except to put a bullet.

00:58:27.750 --> 00:58:27.930 or.

00:58:28.950 --> 00:58:37.950 David Griffin: So it is sometimes it has been displayed, I believe, with it's by Andy warhol with contributions by the hour slots.

00:58:39.330 --> 00:58:39.720 David Griffin: So.

00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:50.610 Jeff Goodman: And then, of course, that change the factory waterhole moved and really it was not the same place David we're at a time, we are time always go so quickly.

00:58:52.020 --> 00:59:05.790 Jeff Goodman: Our guest on this program about new york's artistic circles, the algonquin hotel and Andy warhol his factory was David Griffin of landmark branding David can be reached at www dot landmark branding COM.

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00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:54.540 Jeff Goodman: Our engineer this evening is the every patient Sam leibowitz.

00:59:55.050 --> 01:00:00.870 Jeff Goodman: Our special consultant is David Griffin our guest tonight of landmark branding thanks for listening, everyone will see you next time.

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