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Facebook Live Video from 2021/01/19 - Art in New York City's Public Spaces

Facebook Live Video from 2021/01/19 - Art in New York City's Public Spaces


2021/01/19 - Art in New York City's Public Spaces

[NEW EPISODE] Art in New York City's Public Spaces

On this week's show we will journey to many different parts of New York, exploring works of art in the City’s public spaces.

 My guests will be Rediscovering New York regular and the show’s Special Consultant, David Griffin of Landmark Branding, and Jen and James Wallace, co-founders of nAscent Art New York.

Tune in for this fascinating conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

David Griffin is the co-host of a series called a room at the top, the only ongoing networking series that features tours of Manhattan’s greatest buildings. Jennifer Wallace is a Director of art and cofounder of Neeson art New York. James Wallace is her husband and is the third guessed On Tonight Show. James is co-founder and president of Nathan art New York. He's also a former Air Force pilot. He loves seeing artists grow and keeping Clients happy. David started landmark branding and in 2013 he met Jen and James through His many ventures into the art world. Jen considers herself a New Yorker but is originally from Philadelphia she’s been living in new york for 17 years. She moved to New York to study art. She always wanted to be on the business side of the art world so she and her husband James decided to start an art company. He saw a convincing Qui That really opened him up to the art world.

Segment 2

public art floods New York On sides of buildings on intersections and so many other places. There is no direct date for  when public art came to New York But the first  cemeteries are the closest we can give to a date because of their inscriptions and decorations and commemorative images this is why they are looked at as public art. One of New York’s earliest pieces of art  that was available for the public was  in Central park by  an American artist named  John Quincy Adams  the hunter  and Indian Was  Installed in 1869 depicts a Native American and his dog hunting for pray it’s suggested narrative and tells a storyThat is connected with the  past  of our country. It is still in Central Park and it is located at the head at the mall heading toward the bandstand area. The Seda Fountain built in 1873 it is near the center of the park  is the first work of public art in New York City created by a woman named Emma Stebbins. It’s meant to depict the angel of Beth Sita and the biblical pool in Jerusalem. Stebbins said she had the idea Because she felt The healing powers of the water in the park were  similar to The fountain in Jerusalem

Segment 3

Statue of Liberty. Which was a gift from the French located on Liberty Island. It was designed by abolitionist sympathizers in France; it symbolizes the liberty of African-American people that were enslaved in the United States as well as symbolizing people coming to the United States. Rockefeller center is really the first place that art and architecture came together. When Rockefeller center was built it was really tied in art and architecture with its mosaic tiling. It really pulled Rockefeller center together and gave a art deco feeling.

Segment 4

Room at the top is a beautiful collaboration of the architecture of New York and that art that is inside their walls. James and Jen provide knowledge about the art and David really goes into the history and together they bring the city’s buildings and art  To life. They’ve done tours on Wall Street, The Chrysler building General electric building. Not another Second Is an art Exhibition that Jan and James Installed and curated in Brooklyn. This exhibit is about LGBTQ seniorsIt features 12 participants and larger than life portraits and photographs of these participants. If you’re not able to visit the exhibit you can go to not another second. com com participants' stories and portraits are online.


00:00:31.470 --> 00:00:41.070 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone. Welcome to our listeners in the Big Apple from across the US and around the world. I'm Jeff Goodman and you've tuned into rediscovering New York

00:00:41.700 --> 00:00:47.340 Jeff Goodman: Professionally, I'm a real estate broker with brown hair Stevens, and as my listeners know I love this city.

00:00:48.210 --> 00:00:53.340 Jeff Goodman: rediscovering New York as a weekly program about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city.

00:00:54.180 --> 00:01:03.510 Jeff Goodman: And we do it through interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservation is local musicians and artists and the occasional elected official

00:01:04.410 --> 00:01:12.630 Jeff Goodman: On some shows you know we focus on an individual New York neighborhood we explore its history and current energy. What makes that particular New York neighborhood special

00:01:13.440 --> 00:01:21.540 Jeff Goodman: And on some shows like tonight's we host an episode about an interesting and vital color. The city that's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:32.730 Jeff Goodman: On prior episodes. You've heard us covered a range of topics is diverse and illuminating as American presidents who came from lived in or at some interesting history here in New York, about half of them, believe it or not.

00:01:33.510 --> 00:01:39.900 Jeff Goodman: We've talked about the history of women activists and the women's suffrage movement in the city actually the there was a big women's suffrage.

00:01:40.530 --> 00:01:48.720 Jeff Goodman: Enclave in Brooklyn in the 1860s and 70s, the history of different immigrant communities, including people who were brought here as enslaved people

00:01:49.290 --> 00:01:53.250 Jeff Goodman: We've talked about the history of the city's LGBT community and the gay rights movement.

00:01:53.910 --> 00:01:58.530 Jeff Goodman: We've looked at the history of bicycles and cycling. We've looked at the history of punk and Opera.

00:01:58.980 --> 00:02:03.690 Jeff Goodman: We've looked at our public library systems. We have three of them in New York, not one, not two, but three

00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:14.010 Jeff Goodman: Of course, the greatest city in the world would have to have more than one or even two library systems we've looked at the subway. We've looked at our greatest train stations and even some of our bridges, just to name a few.

00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:22.050 Jeff Goodman: After the broadcast. You can hear our shows on podcast one apple Spotify SoundCloud Stitcher and other services.

00:02:22.440 --> 00:02:28.740 Jeff Goodman: Tonight it's one of those special episodes. We're not going to focus on one particular neighborhood been on an interesting theme and that is public art.

00:02:29.370 --> 00:02:39.510 Jeff Goodman: Art in public spaces in New York City, when it started being here. What is public art. When did it proliferate and what kind of public art. Can you see today.

00:02:40.290 --> 00:02:47.910 Jeff Goodman: We have three guests who are going to be on the show throughout the whole show. One of them is no stranger to rediscovering New York. It's David Griffin.

00:02:48.390 --> 00:02:57.900 Jeff Goodman: David is the special consultant for the program. And he's also a lifelong architectural enthusiast David provides creative sales enhancing services for the national real estate community.

00:02:58.530 --> 00:03:13.800 Jeff Goodman: He's the founder and CEO of landmark branding and his clients include architects and design firms in addition to developers brokers and marketing companies, he coasts co host a series called room at the top, which by coincidence, we have the other two hosts here tonight.

00:03:15.060 --> 00:03:21.840 Jeff Goodman: Room at the top is the only ongoing networking series and real estate, the future tourists have been hatton's greatest buildings and greatest buildings, they are

00:03:22.770 --> 00:03:30.030 Jeff Goodman: David writes his latest blog every building on Fifth documents every single building on Fifth Avenue. And can you imagine that every single building

00:03:30.390 --> 00:03:40.950 Jeff Goodman: From Washington Square Park right up to where Fifth Avenue and set the Harlem River in Harlem David's writing has appeared in real estate weekly Metropolis to well and the National Trust preservation magazine.

00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:48.840 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest is Jennifer was Jen is director of art and co founder of nascent art, New York.

00:03:49.530 --> 00:03:57.900 Jeff Goodman: She helps clients choir fine art by emerging artists for building lobbies company offices and leading hotels when she's not going around the city. Looking for public art.

00:03:58.440 --> 00:04:09.210 Jeff Goodman: Jen has helped build nascent New York from idea to notable art consulting firm working with brands, including Marriott Hyatt Hilton met life national public media Toyota and Penguin Books.

00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:16.260 Jeff Goodman: Jen as a curator and an art enthusiasm and since produce dozens of exhibitions and events viewed by hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers.

00:04:16.740 --> 00:04:27.090 Jeff Goodman: Including the unfair in 2014 during Armory Show week and NYC state of the art, the first ever art industry conference focused on New York City's artists.

00:04:27.660 --> 00:04:37.350 Jeff Goodman: As an art consultant Jen consults individuals and organizations on artists trending in the marketplace. She's also hosted her own web series called art scene that's se e n

00:04:37.860 --> 00:04:45.900 Jeff Goodman: And often speaks on panels to discuss art and emerging artists when not shaking up the art world she serves as an executive producer at mastodon films.

00:04:46.470 --> 00:04:52.980 Jeff Goodman: Jen lives in New York City with her husband and business partner James and their dog zeki star pop Ziggy star pop

00:04:53.970 --> 00:05:00.450 Jeff Goodman: And speaking of one of the people she lives with i'm i'm talking about Ziggy though the third guest on our show is James well as

00:05:01.110 --> 00:05:09.960 Jeff Goodman: James is president and co founder of nascent or New York his responsibilities range from client and artists relationships HR marketing and strategic initiatives.

00:05:10.830 --> 00:05:20.580 Jeff Goodman: He's well traveled. He's a former AIR FORCE PILOT with advanced degrees in law and business is very background and familiarity with a variety of industry puts him in tune with client needs.

00:05:21.540 --> 00:05:28.500 Jeff Goodman: He co founded an internet company which he sold in 2011 and also co founded film production company mastodon films.

00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:33.210 Jeff Goodman: Besides producing and directing an award winning feature length documentary that played in theaters.

00:05:33.570 --> 00:05:48.150 Jeff Goodman: He produced an online art series with almost 100 episodes James love seeing artists careers grow and client faces happy. Well, I can't imagine a better panel and better guest to talk about public art in your welcome everyone to rediscovering New York

00:05:50.520 --> 00:05:55.650 Jeff Goodman: Thank you for happy to be here. You're all most welcome and it's a pleasure having you I've

00:05:56.190 --> 00:06:01.470 Jeff Goodman: Not seen you in years. I used to go to your room at the top series, but we'll, we'll talk about that a little later in the program.

00:06:02.370 --> 00:06:08.070 Jeff Goodman: I'm usually I like to get into my guests business careers midway through the interviews with them but

00:06:08.580 --> 00:06:18.690 Jeff Goodman: With each of your businesses, I think it would help sort of stretch the canvas, maybe, pun intended. If we talk a little bit about your businesses. Before we talk about tonight's topic which is Public Art in New York.

00:06:19.590 --> 00:06:26.310 Jeff Goodman: David first to you. You've been on the program regularly and our listeners know a lot about your background and how you got interested in New York's architecture and also our

00:06:26.910 --> 00:06:34.590 Jeff Goodman: Let's talk about landmark branding for a second. When did you start landmark branding and. Was there a specific event or set of circumstances that hit you start the company.

00:06:35.430 --> 00:06:43.380 David V. Griffin: Well, I started landmark planning and 2013 I had been working in the art world actually for many, many years.

00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:54.390 David V. Griffin: I was a senior associate at Thomas and Associates, which was a very highly respected our consulting firm. We did everything from staffing, the board management internal controls publicity.

00:06:54.720 --> 00:07:04.080 David V. Griffin: I work with Jerry Thomas, who is I think one of the all time greats in terms of sort of creating professional dialogue in the art world in New York.

00:07:04.740 --> 00:07:13.830 David V. Griffin: Working with Thomas and associates actually how I met Jen and James I met them through contacts in the art world separately and 2013 I

00:07:14.430 --> 00:07:20.040 David V. Griffin: decided that I was going to launch my own business, kind of on the side. I was still working with Thomas associates and

00:07:20.490 --> 00:07:29.100 David V. Griffin: I developed a company that the handled marketing and publicity for historic architecture. I had been writing freelance up until that time.

00:07:29.430 --> 00:07:39.120 David V. Griffin: And after the sort of financial crash of 2008. A lot of my freelance sort of resources, dried up, they were unable to publish

00:07:39.510 --> 00:07:46.320 David V. Griffin: Material from freelance writers and I thought, I still really want to write about buildings, I want to write about architecture. I want to write about urbanism

00:07:46.920 --> 00:08:01.770 David V. Griffin: Maybe if I transfer my skill set over to the actual world in which these things are developed that could be useful. So from then on, till this I have been working as you said for brokers for developers for design firms for architects.

00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:11.640 David V. Griffin: A real kind of multiplicity of people and also been able to work with numerous of my art world contacts with a question. James

00:08:12.810 --> 00:08:17.700 David V. Griffin: And just kind of develop that as well because, of course, I think, and James will probably agree with this.

00:08:18.330 --> 00:08:34.290 David V. Griffin: Art is really part of how New York has developed it's it's not separate necessarily from architecture. It's not separate from public space. It is this, this kind of like overriding feature of things. So it's been interesting to be able to kind of take that up as as a career point

00:08:36.090 --> 00:08:40.020 Jeff Goodman: Jen. Are you from New York originally Philadelphia native

00:08:40.260 --> 00:08:50.880 Jen and James Wallace: I've been living in New York for 17 years, um, you know, native New Yorkers will say, you have to have been born here to call yourself a New Yorker, but

00:08:51.060 --> 00:08:56.640 Jeff Goodman: Not at all. Home is where the heart is. And anyone who's who loves New York and lives here then New Yorkers, as far as I'm concerned.

00:08:56.820 --> 00:09:02.370 Jen and James Wallace: After 17 years I definitely feel feel like like a New Yorker and my heart is is definitely here.

00:09:04.380 --> 00:09:12.870 Jeff Goodman: Let's talk about your professional journey. When did you enter the world of art and the world of the business of art because they can be two separate things. One, you want can be an artist.

00:09:13.170 --> 00:09:19.950 Jeff Goodman: And then you can work in the business of art actually helping to connect people who would appreciate or pay for with people who create it.

00:09:20.640 --> 00:09:36.240 Jen and James Wallace: Sure, I am I moved to New York to 10 Pratt Institute and study art and and while I, you know, studied studio art. I always wanted to be on the business side of the art world and so

00:09:37.620 --> 00:09:44.520 Jen and James Wallace: I, you know, met James shortly. Shortly thereafter, and, you know, we

00:09:45.570 --> 00:09:47.940 Jen and James Wallace: With James is business and law background.

00:09:48.330 --> 00:10:01.290 Jen and James Wallace: I expressed to him that I really wanted to be on the business side of the art world, but I didn't really see myself fitting at a gallery auction house museum, although I have a lot of respect for them and and James said, Well, why don't we start an art company.

00:10:02.310 --> 00:10:11.640 Jen and James Wallace: And and and that's really how it started, it's evolved from it's an initial form but but that's that's how things kicked off back in 2007

00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:22.290 Jeff Goodman: James, you have an incredibly varied background AIR FORCE PILOT degrees in law and business digital media film production.

00:10:23.400 --> 00:10:31.110 Jeff Goodman: share a little bit about your journey and how you came to to the business of art and getting are connected with people you know

00:10:31.170 --> 00:10:34.680 Jen and James Wallace: When you read that back. I'm like, Wow, that sounds really impressive. Who's that guy.

00:10:36.870 --> 00:10:45.870 Jen and James Wallace: Like, oh, that's me. It's not that it's not really that impressive. I mean, you know, coming to art for me was a natural thing but also if you sort of

00:10:46.290 --> 00:10:53.340 Jen and James Wallace: Follow my path. It might seem disconnected and unusual, but as the person who's lived it. It seemed very natural to me.

00:10:54.240 --> 00:11:10.860 Jen and James Wallace: You know back when I was a C 130 pilot. I remember flying in Italy and in Italy at the time. I won't say what year it was it was a long time ago, but I remember seeing a canvas print of William Adolph blue rose

00:11:12.210 --> 00:11:13.260 Birth of Venus.

00:11:14.520 --> 00:11:23.250 Jen and James Wallace: And I was struck. I was really struck. And then also during that time I remember seeing an abstract work that really had his first impact on me, which was a Kandinsky

00:11:23.880 --> 00:11:32.430 Jen and James Wallace: And prior to that, I was one of those people who would say, you know, you know, five year olds could do this, you know, we had a lot of people say that. And then when you see that first

00:11:32.430 --> 00:11:34.560 Jeff Goodman: five year olds can apply a C 130 or

00:11:36.660 --> 00:11:48.720 Jen and James Wallace: Eight abstract work and I i really, you know, art has always been something I've been interested in. And then of course you meet the love of your life. And then the rest is history.

00:11:49.170 --> 00:11:50.550 Jeff Goodman: And the rest is history.

00:11:52.050 --> 00:11:56.430 Jeff Goodman: We're gonna, I want to talk about your room at the top series, but I'm going to do that a little bit later in the program.

00:11:56.850 --> 00:12:02.460 Jeff Goodman: Because now I want to talk about Public Art in New York. Before we start talking about public art. I want to stress to our listeners.

00:12:03.060 --> 00:12:10.770 Jeff Goodman: That perhaps unlike other episodes of the program and no way we get to be able to give you anywhere near a comprehensive picture of art.

00:12:11.430 --> 00:12:22.320 Jeff Goodman: That's available to the public in this great city there's just so much of it. And so much history. So we're going to take little colors of what might appear in the corner of the canvas to lack of a better

00:12:23.550 --> 00:12:27.630 Jeff Goodman: Analogy and try to and try to create as much of an image as we possibly can.

00:12:30.150 --> 00:12:39.360 Jeff Goodman: Public Art seems almost second nature. It's in so many places that we've entered to on sides of buildings and intersections on sides of buildings.

00:12:40.560 --> 00:12:51.870 Jeff Goodman: It's almost everywhere. When would New York begin seeing all this historical question when would New York when when New Yorkers begin to see art in public spaces.

00:12:53.130 --> 00:13:01.410 David V. Griffin: Well, I'm to the kind of Frank, we don't we don't really have a date for when public art was defined as Public Art in New York City.

00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:18.570 David V. Griffin: But if we're really going to interpret it very literally in terms of forms of art that people would observe and public probably as soon as there was the first Cemetery in New York City, because those often involved inscriptions decoration commemorative kind of

00:13:19.800 --> 00:13:36.630 David V. Griffin: Images and stuff so forth. One of the oldest recorded works. The public art that was not funerary and York City was actually a statue of King George the Third that was dedicated on April 26 of 1770 in Bowling Green in New York City.

00:13:37.980 --> 00:13:52.350 David V. Griffin: Now interestingly this statue was not erected out of particular reverence for the sovereign because already at that time people in the United what would become the United States were not fans can George particularly

00:13:53.550 --> 00:14:02.100 David V. Griffin: But as a means of accomplishing and other goal dedicating a statute of William pit now pit have been instrumental in repealing the Stamp Act of 1766

00:14:02.970 --> 00:14:12.750 David V. Griffin: He was regarded as of heroin, a friend to the colonists. However, it seemed improper to erect a statue of the kings advisor were knows statue of the king existed.

00:14:13.050 --> 00:14:26.670 David V. Griffin: So the general assembly of New York, which was the governing body under the British Government commissioned both statues George the third was erected in Bowling Green and the statute pit was placed at the intersection of millions of Wall Street.

00:14:28.380 --> 00:14:46.470 David V. Griffin: So the statue of King George was an equestrian statue and showed him mountain and heroic fashion. It was made of gilded lead. Um, it went quite a bit. It stood for six years. And then the Declaration of Independence was round to a crowd of American troops and colonists.

00:14:47.520 --> 00:14:55.710 David V. Griffin: They got kind of happy about things as as people do they marched to Bowling Green wear robes for us to bring the statute down

00:14:56.190 --> 00:15:04.080 David V. Griffin: I'm definitely a Philadelphia paper reporting on the incident said that the lead statuary melted down to create bullets for the coming war.

00:15:04.380 --> 00:15:14.010 David V. Griffin: We don't know if that was actually the case not we do know that unfortunately the statue of pit was demolished by British forces when they invaded Manhattan during the revolution.

00:15:14.760 --> 00:15:27.780 David V. Griffin: They struck down to symbolize their displeasure with the consciousness supporters so neither one of those have survive when we believe that those may have been the earliest commandments of statues are active or publicly

00:15:28.860 --> 00:15:32.640 Jeff Goodman: So it was the Philadelphians who came and destroyed our first public art don't know. Just get it.

00:15:33.690 --> 00:15:41.880 Jeff Goodman: So actually, it's funny. The British created the first public art, but yet it was the colonists who destroyed one and the British were destroyed the other when they took down the statue of

00:15:43.140 --> 00:15:52.860 Jeff Goodman: All right, we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation and get into more of the history of Public Art in New York. On this episode of rediscovering New York. We'll be right back.

00:18:03.750 --> 00:18:15.810 Jeff Goodman: We're back to our special episode about Public Art in New York City's public spaces or aren't new cities public spaces. I have three great guests. David Griffin, who's the founder and CEO of landmark branding.

00:18:16.290 --> 00:18:23.310 Jeff Goodman: And Jen and James Wallace of nascent aren't New York, David. Moving on with the history of Public Art in New York.

00:18:24.690 --> 00:18:34.320 Jeff Goodman: In the years after the Revolutionary War or some decades after that when would New Yorkers begin to see more art that was outside and available to the public.

00:18:35.100 --> 00:18:44.730 David V. Griffin: While I mean, for most of the city's early history, as I mentioned before, public art was really restricted to Memorial center civic bus when it wasn't engaged cemeteries.

00:18:45.630 --> 00:18:55.860 David V. Griffin: This did change our own with the development of Central Park from the 1850s onwards, which became a focus for a sort of a comprehensive arts program that continues in some parts of this day.

00:18:56.550 --> 00:19:05.880 David V. Griffin: I'm interested in one of the earliest works to be installed in separate Park was also one of the first works by an American artist we installed.

00:19:06.690 --> 00:19:13.890 David V. Griffin: In the park john quincy adams words Indian hunter of 1866 installed in 1869

00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:22.290 David V. Griffin: It depicts a Native American hundred and his dog trash and pray and this is kind of a seminal sort of moment for Public Art in New York City because

00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:29.250 David V. Griffin: For one thing, the statue isn't commemorating a specific person, it is illustrating a kind of a narrative type

00:19:29.730 --> 00:19:34.260 David V. Griffin: It is sort of a romantic statue. In other words, it suggests a narrative, it's not

00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:42.780 David V. Griffin: In other words, it's not this is general so and so and this is what he did and sort of like, no, this is a type of person and shown making an activity.

00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:55.260 David V. Griffin: That is kind of connected with the ancient past of our country it's notable for depicting a Native American in a very sympathetic light that's not something that always happens during the 19th century, unfortunately.

00:19:55.410 --> 00:19:56.640 Jeff Goodman: Especially the 1860s.

00:19:56.820 --> 00:20:05.130 David V. Griffin: You know, particularly, then it was part of the deal with that. I saw to create work that was more sort of what we would call Romantic era.

00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:11.850 David V. Griffin: And most people think of romance is being something that's tied into love necessarily but romance actually means story.

00:20:12.570 --> 00:20:20.910 David V. Griffin: romances is a novel and other words so romantic fiction romantic statuary seeks to kind of illustrate America.

00:20:21.420 --> 00:20:30.330 David V. Griffin: And so this is a piece of narrative art. That probably was influenced by things like James Fenimore Cooper, for example, on the Romantic writers of the 1830s to the

00:20:31.050 --> 00:20:40.350 David V. Griffin: Experience and it really became a kind of a bellwether for how American statuary would develop and it will away from mere commemoration

00:20:40.710 --> 00:20:53.220 David V. Griffin: ID of the statue is being a memorial to being the statues, perhaps an ideal or the statue is illustrating something of kind of artistic merit or of interest in a certain sense in a more abstract way.

00:20:53.790 --> 00:20:56.880 Jeff Goodman: Is Indian hunter still in the park. And if it is, where is it, yes.

00:20:56.910 --> 00:21:08.610 David V. Griffin: It is at the very head of what is called the mall and Central Park. It's one of the first statues, you see traveling from south to north on the Mall heading towards the bands and area.

00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:11.310 Jeff Goodman: Where there are also other there's other statuary

00:21:11.550 --> 00:21:12.180 David V. Griffin: To myself is

00:21:13.290 --> 00:21:21.000 Jeff Goodman: One piece of urban landscape sometimes functional but also very artistic or fountains and there's a glorious one in the park.

00:21:21.570 --> 00:21:32.970 David V. Griffin: Yes, that say to fountain 1873 at the terrorists, it's near the center of the park and the best known detail of the fountain is running the statue of the angel that's amounts it

00:21:33.450 --> 00:21:41.160 David V. Griffin: Now this is interesting. And that is the first word public garden New York City that we know is created by a woman, the sculptures. Ms. Stevens.

00:21:41.790 --> 00:21:46.980 David V. Griffin: It's meant to depict the Angel of Death Seta as in the biblical pool in Jerusalem.

00:21:47.460 --> 00:21:57.060 David V. Griffin: And Stephen, said he, she had the idea that the healing powers of the water in the park were similar to the healing powers of the biblical fountain.

00:21:57.360 --> 00:22:08.280 David V. Griffin: We have to understand that the Croton awkward reservoir, the aqua duck. All those things are kind of being built at the same time and New York is one of the first major cities in the world to have safe drinking water.

00:22:09.060 --> 00:22:16.380 David V. Griffin: And this was a very important thing. I felt was there to kind of prove that New York's water was as pure as spring water.

00:22:16.710 --> 00:22:22.500 David V. Griffin: And that was the kind of metaphor that Stephens was seeking to kind of inculcate through biblical imagery

00:22:22.860 --> 00:22:37.710 David V. Griffin: So the angel the waters is actually blessing the water of New York City and in doing so she becomes a figure of health. I think it kind of guidance and sort of a symbol of the city as being a modern clean and extremely civic minded place no

00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:47.340 Jeff Goodman: And of course, New York, we still have some of the best urban water in the world was the besides the fountain part of the original design of Frederick Law Olmsted and Calvert Fox when they designed the park.

00:22:47.550 --> 00:22:57.390 David V. Griffin: It was not a great deal of what we know is Central Park. Now today and which we absolutely love and cherish was not part of the original box home SET Plan.

00:22:58.140 --> 00:23:15.960 David V. Griffin: But say to found was not the terrorists was not, I believe. I don't know if the castle was obviously Cleopatra's Needle was not and the biggest thing that was not what's the Metropolitan Museum of Art, which was seen as a huge and position or to the original plan when it was first built

00:23:17.070 --> 00:23:24.630 David V. Griffin: For designs by Calvin box MLS but then as it grew and grew and grew and grew people are sort of saying, Oh, well, this is taking over circle Park.

00:23:24.990 --> 00:23:37.650 David V. Griffin: There was one sort of a gag cartoon IN THE I THINK THE 1920s that showed all of Central Park covered by the Metropolitan Museum of Art, except for one small courtyard labeled central park right in the middle of it.

00:23:38.370 --> 00:23:49.740 David V. Griffin: So it's not as if public art and public space have not always worked together that well. And yeah, that's a terrorist was seen by some as an imposition on to the original plan.

00:23:51.450 --> 00:24:01.290 Jeff Goodman: Well, speaking of fountains. There's another beautiful found, although it's not as grand. It is a work of art. It's the under Meyer found, also known as the three muses

00:24:01.620 --> 00:24:08.760 Jeff Goodman: It's in the northern part of the park and the conservatory gardens and people, most people in the park, have not seen it, but it really is something

00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:16.920 Jeff Goodman: It's the three dancing agents to pick three young women holding hands in a circle. And this is from some from

00:24:17.520 --> 00:24:25.710 Jeff Goodman: Someone who wrote about it, quote, who's dresses cling to their wet bodies as if they were perpetually in the fountain spray it really is something to say.

00:24:26.280 --> 00:24:37.500 Jeff Goodman: Although not as glorious as Bethesda found David. Let's move to an island in something that the entire world knows of but which for some me think more of this as a symbol, then, is a work of art.

00:24:38.550 --> 00:24:45.390 David V. Griffin: Yes, the Statue of Liberty title liberty enlightening. The world. Okay. And I want us now Liberty Island.

00:24:45.810 --> 00:24:50.700 David V. Griffin: And it was a gift of course from France and United States on the clothes with the Civil War.

00:24:51.090 --> 00:24:57.150 David V. Griffin: And what made people don't realize is that was inspired by abolitionists sympathies in France at the time the liberty that

00:24:57.420 --> 00:25:07.200 David V. Griffin: The statute symbolizing as the liberty of African American people, until recently enslaved in the United States, as well as the liberty of people coming to the country.

00:25:08.130 --> 00:25:17.220 David V. Griffin: The designer Frederick Douglass Bartow day. Well, the figure after the Roman goddess libertas and it is 151 feet.

00:25:17.790 --> 00:25:30.690 David V. Griffin: Tall and it stands on a stone base by the American architect Richard Morris Han to also designed the main building main hallway. I should say at the Metropolitan Museum of Art that bring some money with to height of 305 feet from ground level.

00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:32.340 David V. Griffin: So not the skyscraper.

00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:43.560 David V. Griffin: It is actually it was actually considered a skyscraper by some people, including REM cool house and delirious, New York. He pointed it out as the only female skyscraper for our quote

00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:50.910 David V. Griffin: People being able to go up into the crown of the statue are what kind of make it a building as a as a lawyer.

00:25:52.050 --> 00:26:07.230 David V. Griffin: When I was completed in 1983. It was the second largest intact statue in the world after the incredible Buddha of Shawn and China, which states to 783 1100 years earlier.

00:26:07.830 --> 00:26:14.520 David V. Griffin: And it really is an engineering landmark is as much as it is an artistic one, although I think it is a great work of art.

00:26:14.970 --> 00:26:23.970 David V. Griffin: And as I said it qualifies the skyscraper itself identify observation platform. The second viewing platform around the surplus of the statues porch.

00:26:24.450 --> 00:26:34.500 David V. Griffin: Has been off limits since 1916 when it was fear the German spies might be able to photograph naval developments in New York Harbor from the site so

00:26:36.060 --> 00:26:48.300 Jeff Goodman: I'd like to spend a couple of minutes to talk about public art that became prevalent through the construction of buildings or even complexes, what would some of the first examples of this. And when did it become a trend.

00:26:49.170 --> 00:26:57.900 David V. Griffin: Well, I think that a lot of New York's great early skyscrapers incorporated art in the form of statuary on the facade.

00:26:58.380 --> 00:27:08.400 David V. Griffin: So that was always kind of a, an item from the 1880s onwards, however, really, I think, one of the first major developments potentially in the world at this

00:27:08.820 --> 00:27:20.790 David V. Griffin: At this level incorporate a conference of our plan of sculptures fountains Urals base reliefs, what have you, was Rockefeller Center from 1928 to 1955 and afterward.

00:27:21.570 --> 00:27:28.530 David V. Griffin: Which of course was designed by consortium known as associated architects, which included people like Raymond have never darrelle stone.

00:27:28.950 --> 00:27:38.970 David V. Griffin: artists such as Paul manship Dean Cornwell and hildreth my year the great muralist and mosaic artists created this amazing kind of art deco environment of

00:27:39.570 --> 00:27:46.860 David V. Griffin: Color and line that included, of course, the gilded Promethean by manship above the famous ice skating rink and

00:27:47.310 --> 00:28:01.800 David V. Griffin: The ceiling mural by the great Mexican mural is Diego Rivera title man at the crossroads 1933 which was subsequently destroyed by the Rockefellers from the work was suspected of containing communism messages. I'm

00:28:02.430 --> 00:28:14.100 David V. Griffin: One of the most striking works of art center in my opinion is an early work by the great modernist sculptor designer assignment Gucci, better known for his sophisticated abstract post war era work, which is very

00:28:15.210 --> 00:28:20.910 David V. Griffin: Very sort of about certain on just being cited in a way that suggests a Japanese gardens.

00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:38.430 David V. Griffin: And the work is title news. It is a 50 Rockefeller Center right above the door installed in 1940. It was the largest stainless steel based relief in the world at the time permits installation and Wade nine tons was the heaviest single work of art in all of New York City.

00:28:39.510 --> 00:28:48.840 David V. Griffin: Up until the present day. It's kind of unusual for being a figurative park right most of the coaches work is very, as I said, it's very isolated. It's very abstract

00:28:49.710 --> 00:29:05.910 David V. Griffin: The, the base for the effects a quartet of anonymous newsman in pursuit of a scoop and suggests the influence of cubist painting as well as what we're called the photo dynamic qualities of the art movement that was associated with futurism so it's really quite a marvelous things

00:29:07.530 --> 00:29:15.990 Jeff Goodman: Well, David, and a minute or two that we have left on our segment I want to go to something more modern but also keep on the building thing and that's to go downtown

00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:28.770 Jeff Goodman: To Chase Manhattan Plaza. There's also public art there but a little bit different but not so much different in that new Gucci also is responsible for a piece of art down there.

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.650 David V. Griffin: The ties to certain buildings downtown and to Rockefeller Center are

00:29:35.820 --> 00:29:45.480 David V. Griffin: They're quite explicit. It's the same type of man monumental kind of slab architecture. It's meant for banking and finance clients. It's very kind of aristocratic in a way

00:29:47.010 --> 00:29:54.420 David V. Griffin: The piece that you're talking about, of course, the one Chase Manhattan plaza recently it has been rebranded is 20 Liberty Street.

00:29:54.750 --> 00:30:03.780 David V. Griffin: Is an incredible cultural work for so long, about the building itself by Gordon bunch half which really is. It's one of the greatest post for skyscrapers city.

00:30:04.380 --> 00:30:11.010 David V. Griffin: Brushed Stainless Steel incredible lobby beautiful proportions below there is a sunken garden buying the Gucci

00:30:11.760 --> 00:30:28.860 David V. Griffin: And then on the plaza itself, there is a great work by the French writer gene Krupa phase will pass for trees 1969 72 to made from aluminum and covenant fiberglass and then painted with squiggles loops. It's a very kind of refreshing Lee.

00:30:29.970 --> 00:30:41.940 David V. Griffin: Iconic classic look at modernism but situated in the plaza. One of the great moments of modernism. So you have the great vertical so fun chefs amazing building and then you have this

00:30:42.450 --> 00:30:57.360 David V. Griffin: Sort of squiggle of brushstrokes, like a doodle almost it's breaking it up and saying, No, no, no, we have to play here too, there's something here that can offset this. So in a way, it's a very subversive work of art. And of course, negotiate something client itself is a masterpiece.

00:30:59.490 --> 00:31:06.180 Jeff Goodman: Right. Wow. We could go on and talk more about buildings, but we're going to take a break and when we come back.

00:31:06.540 --> 00:31:17.520 Jeff Goodman: We're going to continue our conversation with David grisman Griffin and Jen and James Wallace of decent aren't New York about public art, art and public spaces in New York City will be back in a moment.

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00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:52.380 Jeff Goodman: Well, we're going to continue our conversation with our guests. David Griffin of landmark branding David is also the special consultant for the program.

00:34:52.800 --> 00:35:09.420 Jeff Goodman: And Jen and James Wallace of nascent aren't New York everyone I want to talk about your room at the top serious talk about art. It's sort of in public places inside, but it's also are the name is simply divine the events are divine what gave you the idea for them.

00:35:10.620 --> 00:35:26.100 David V. Griffin: Well, um, I don't know exactly when I can remember when we started doing it, but it was a while back, and I just thought having met Jen and James, they had so many great insights into art as kind of this public

00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:33.420 David V. Griffin: Sort of sphere and I, of course I'm obsessed with architecture. So I thought, well, what if we brought the things together.

00:35:33.750 --> 00:35:42.900 David V. Griffin: And sort of created something whereby we began to our buildings. When I first met john and James, they were doing a program in one of the great historic buildings on Wall Street.

00:35:43.590 --> 00:35:48.120 David V. Griffin: Which is now a billion sound. I believe the region's hotel, and correct me if I'm wrong, guys.

00:35:49.110 --> 00:35:59.190 David V. Griffin: But they actually did a program that was in the historic safe of a building that had been one of the huge bank centers on Wall Street. I just was like, This is amazing.

00:35:59.520 --> 00:36:08.460 David V. Griffin: And I thought we were listening to like lectures about art in incredible architectural sort of space. And I thought, there has to be a way to kind of keep this going. Because this is incredible.

00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:14.460 David V. Griffin: And the name by the way that's Jen and James, they came up with room at the top. That was their their their

00:36:15.270 --> 00:36:31.320 David V. Griffin: Invention, and then between our, sort of, you know, just contacts we were able to kind of spending other program where we did go to some of the greatest skyscrapers. I think in New York City and Jenny want to talk a little bit about the development of that.

00:36:32.610 --> 00:36:39.360 Jen and James Wallace: You said our contacts. I think we're the three of us are all surrounded by architecture and real estate.

00:36:41.370 --> 00:36:42.420 David V. Griffin: You know, couldn't

00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:54.120 Jen and James Wallace: Cannot want to explore new york city's most prominent landmark buildings anymore and you know I love the way David described it as, you know, we started. I know.

00:36:54.660 --> 00:37:07.620 Jen and James Wallace: Earlier you were called Jen had mentioned that, you know, the businesses pivoted. Well, that was one of the pivots at the very beginning of nascent we were doing these events and although they were well attended and enjoyed by all they really didn't have money.

00:37:07.950 --> 00:37:13.830 Jen and James Wallace: Right. He loved them, and they really were educational and if there's one thing that New Yorkers love it's

00:37:14.580 --> 00:37:23.310 Jen and James Wallace: Getting to see spaces because it's like private and it's behind the scenes. And so there's so many prominent buildings and as David said earlier.

00:37:23.670 --> 00:37:34.860 Jen and James Wallace: Art and Architecture companion hand. So getting to see a prominent building a prominent historical building, you get to see both and and it was really great to to create that series and that does continue

00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:40.500 Jen and James Wallace: Even though it's not core to the business. We continue to do room at the top. As soon as the world reopens

00:37:41.010 --> 00:37:42.690 David V. Griffin: Exactly and and

00:37:43.170 --> 00:37:48.090 Jen and James Wallace: David, obviously, as the resident historian would give these brilliant

00:37:49.170 --> 00:38:01.050 Jen and James Wallace: Talks and tours of the buildings we were in me and James might chime in about art here and there. And then we hopefully, you know, finish with a great champion reception on a high floor and it just doesn't get any better than that.

00:38:01.410 --> 00:38:07.680 David V. Griffin: It really hasn't and we've had a chance to visit. I think some of the greatest works of architecture in the world one wall street

00:38:08.520 --> 00:38:15.690 David V. Griffin: We were the last people to actually get up into the penthouse and do a private tour of that we actually had the historian of the Bank of New York.

00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:33.690 David V. Griffin: lead us through. We had 40 people. We went to a private reception afterwards and an incredible apartment. We've done the Chrysler Building. We've done the Woolworth Building. We've done the General Electric building that was through the file organization was very good actually. So

00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:45.510 David V. Griffin: Yeah, so we're looking forward to really getting back into it once as Jen says the city opens, we have our little targets, you know, we're we're raising our hands together and anticipation

00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:52.050 David V. Griffin: And it's something that we've done like, you know, two or three times a year, and I think it's been really, it's been hugely valuable for me.

00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:56.490 David V. Griffin: Because it's sort of like an affirmation through Jennings's connections in the art world.

00:38:57.060 --> 00:39:03.780 David V. Griffin: In my own connection. But it's sort of like, you know, it's like sort of bringing people together and realize like, it's not just about one thing, whatever that one thing is

00:39:04.590 --> 00:39:17.430 David V. Griffin: This is a city where those things fulfill purpose for people who just go to work an office building, like people have the chance to work in an actual work of art in New York City. And that's not the case for a lot of other places. I don't

00:39:17.430 --> 00:39:22.080 Jeff Goodman: Know, and I, you know, I'm really grateful to have to have been on on some of those journeys and

00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:35.490 Jeff Goodman: I look forward to going again. I'm Jenna. James before we get to more recent public art. I want to ask you about an exhibition that you recently installed and curated. In fact, it's opening today. It's in Brooklyn and it's called not another second.

00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:49.950 Jen and James Wallace: Yes, we were brought on by a company called watermark retirement communities who just redeveloped a historic Hotel in Brooklyn Heights and

00:39:50.850 --> 00:40:03.330 Jen and James Wallace: They redeveloped it into one of the most luxurious senior living buildings out there and as part of the programming for the building. They built a gallery space and they brought us on to

00:40:04.620 --> 00:40:16.140 Jen and James Wallace: Develop the curatorial programming for the gallery space. We started the with an exhibition called Brooklyn collected that shared Brooklyn artists so that the residents can see the the artists all around and the

00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:25.650 Jen and James Wallace: Exhibition, not another second opens today and it's part of a natural national cultural campaign about LGBT Q seniors.

00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:34.740 Jen and James Wallace: And it features 12 participants and larger than life portraits and photographs of those participants in addition they incorporate

00:40:35.220 --> 00:40:44.730 Jen and James Wallace: A multimedia approach. So there are these huge portraits made by a really prominent German photographer that they commissioned to create the works.

00:40:45.270 --> 00:40:53.040 Jen and James Wallace: And there's also videos that if you use your VR camera, they start up in the frame so

00:40:53.760 --> 00:41:07.650 Jen and James Wallace: There was a augmented reality component that layers on top of the portraits on the wall, where the the interview with that person will come to life and tell you their story, which is really interactive engaging and phenomenal and for those

00:41:08.310 --> 00:41:18.240 Jen and James Wallace: Who aren't able to visit the Brooklyn Heights location which it is open to the public. You can make reservations online and not another second calm, because it's time slots because of because of

00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:27.000 Jen and James Wallace: social distancing but they are accommodating in person visits through March and they might get extended beyond that because of the overwhelming response.

00:41:27.690 --> 00:41:40.770 Jen and James Wallace: But it's also all of the content launched online today as well. So if you go to not another second calm, all of the participants stories and portraits are all live there today and you can really be impacted by their stories.

00:41:40.830 --> 00:41:41.460 Jen and James Wallace: And I'm sorry I

00:41:41.730 --> 00:41:45.300 Jen and James Wallace: Probably should have said this upfront. The, the real

00:41:45.720 --> 00:41:57.990 Jen and James Wallace: Core premise is the idea of being your authentic self. And when you're talking to LGBT Q seniors. A lot of these people have were in the closet for decades, maybe 50 years of their lives.

00:41:58.230 --> 00:42:12.660 Jen and James Wallace: And hearing their stories of and seeing these larger than life portraits, you really get an intimate look into what that meant and and the impact of discrimination against LGBT Q people over the decades.

00:42:13.350 --> 00:42:23.580 Jeff Goodman: Well, I was really surprised to look at the exhibition online and the first portrait. I saw was actually someone that I know Miss per minute from Cherry grub. Well, she lives in New York but but I got to know Richard grow.

00:42:25.080 --> 00:42:26.070 Jeff Goodman: Yes, yes.

00:42:27.690 --> 00:42:33.960 Jeff Goodman: Back to public art. Um, I want to take a journey to the west side and what is and visit. What is perhaps

00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:41.040 Jeff Goodman: The newest installment of public art or should I say the equivalent of a gallery. And that's the new Moynahan train hall that just opened as part of

00:42:41.310 --> 00:42:47.880 Jeff Goodman: Pennsylvania station. For those of you who may not know what a very brief history when railroads were going through hard times and indeed going bankrupt.

00:42:48.540 --> 00:42:56.370 Jeff Goodman: The Pennsylvania Railroad sold the magnificent train station. One of the most beautiful in America for quote unquote development. It got torn down.

00:42:56.790 --> 00:43:07.590 Jeff Goodman: And to some people, the time something very beautiful got built on top of it. Madison Square Garden and they thought there were some modern niceties about the new Penn Station, but it's hideous it's dark.

00:43:08.040 --> 00:43:19.290 Jeff Goodman: And some time ago, they looked across Eighth Avenue to that to a big post office what's called the Farley post office and the decision was made locally in the state of New York.

00:43:20.790 --> 00:43:27.780 Jeff Goodman: Although there was some federal funds involved to convert that post office which sits above the tracks into

00:43:28.470 --> 00:43:35.190 Jeff Goodman: A train Hall actually for for those uninitiated, you walk into it. You think it was a train station. It's not. It's just, it's just part of a train station.

00:43:35.640 --> 00:43:48.810 Jeff Goodman: But what is some of it, but it's it's it's replete with amazing works of art. What are some of the greatest artworks that are that are in the Moynihan train Hall and then people can see and then the light of day because the roof is glass so we

00:43:48.870 --> 00:43:55.830 Jen and James Wallace: Are in the neighborhood, and we have the pleasure of visiting these artworks on the first of January, when it opens. This is all very, very fresh.

00:43:56.430 --> 00:44:10.320 Jen and James Wallace: The public art fund, which is a major not for profit art institution and in New York City was commissioned and invited by the Empire State Development purpose Corporation to orchestrate three major artists deletions.

00:44:11.130 --> 00:44:25.020 Jen and James Wallace: One of them is a massive stained glass ceiling installation on the ceiling of the 33rd Street mid block and trends and it's by a pretty renowned artist named Kenny Wiley.

00:44:26.490 --> 00:44:32.130 Jen and James Wallace: You might know him for being coming also commissioned for the official portrait of Barack Obama.

00:44:32.730 --> 00:44:44.700 Jen and James Wallace: And he and this work is entitled go and it's hand painted Stained glass and it's depicting black New Yorkers in poses drawn from break dance and

00:44:45.330 --> 00:44:54.510 Jen and James Wallace: The they're depicted in roles. Traditionally in the stained glass traditionally reserved for saints and angels and instead he's depicting

00:44:55.170 --> 00:45:03.450 Jen and James Wallace: These new yorkers is unique individuals and they're tired in their regular street clothes and candy Wiley's really known for doing this for

00:45:03.990 --> 00:45:13.050 Jen and James Wallace: Taking highly naturalistic paintings of black and brown people in environments and poses drawn from the classical western art history.

00:45:13.650 --> 00:45:21.300 Jen and James Wallace: And and for for this piece he really you know transforms the urban environment into a celestial dreamscape

00:45:22.050 --> 00:45:28.290 Jen and James Wallace: Another another piece that's in the train Hall, it's a collection of photographs and the ticketed seating.

00:45:28.680 --> 00:45:40.860 Jen and James Wallace: Waited area waiting area and they're nine large scale photographic works featuring historical photos from the original Penn Station. That was torn down from 1910 to 1963

00:45:41.310 --> 00:45:49.260 Jen and James Wallace: And it also includes as a, as a result of the research surrounding the historical events this these photographs or by Stan Douglas

00:45:50.130 --> 00:46:01.800 Jen and James Wallace: He restaged and recreated the historical events with live performers in period costume and then he combined those images with a historical photographs to create a revived sense of history.

00:46:02.250 --> 00:46:11.280 Jen and James Wallace: So that's a really amazing set of photographs that you know sets the stage for a grand theatre for all the human dramas that happened.

00:46:11.910 --> 00:46:27.120 Jen and James Wallace: In the train Hall and and had a. Lastly, the last kind of masterpiece of the new one and train Hall is a another ceiling installation kind of opposite the building from the can be wildly ceiling.

00:46:27.630 --> 00:46:37.050 Jen and James Wallace: It's on the ceiling of the 31st street mid block entrance and it's by an artist duo who lives and works in Berlin called em green and drag set

00:46:37.680 --> 00:46:47.310 Jen and James Wallace: Michael Allen green and in guard drag set and it's a one to 100 scale model of a fantastical version of a global Metropolis.

00:46:48.060 --> 00:47:02.610 Jen and James Wallace: So it's a fictional city with landmarks from Chicago, Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, London, Paris, and of course, New York City and the work is titled The Hive and it's really a link between

00:47:03.120 --> 00:47:11.880 Jen and James Wallace: natural and human built sculptures and it's this beautiful sculptural city hanging down from the ceiling. That's illuminated from within, and it's it's really

00:47:12.180 --> 00:47:21.180 Jen and James Wallace: Striking and breathtaking. When you enter through that it really is a showstopper and people literally stop and stare. It's an upside down cityscape.

00:47:21.660 --> 00:47:30.660 Jen and James Wallace: Made of like a sort of a high gloss metallic buildings and it's gorgeous. If you're in the new train Hall and you see people looking up, you found these works.

00:47:32.580 --> 00:47:34.650 Jeff Goodman: Well, I have to have a chiropractic office right off.

00:47:36.270 --> 00:47:38.940 Jeff Goodman: To, you know, to help people with their neck pain after that.

00:47:40.140 --> 00:47:48.990 Jeff Goodman: We're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation on public art in cities great spaces. That's New York City's grades faces will be back in a moment.

00:47:55.770 --> 00:47:56.940 Educate and

00:50:06.600 --> 00:50:20.520 Jeff Goodman: You're back everyone to rediscovering New York and our episode about Public Art in New York. That's great works of art in public spaces. I have three wonderful guests. David Griffin of landmark branding and Jen and James Wallace of nascent aren't New York

00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:27.420 Jeff Goodman: Many of the neighborhoods on this many of the episodes on the show. Focus on neighborhoods.

00:50:27.870 --> 00:50:38.250 Jeff Goodman: There's a very unusual piece of public art in a neighborhood that's become transformed in the last 20 years I'm talking about the Meatpacking District. Do you want to talk about Tom for winning grand GANs for Plaza.

00:50:39.090 --> 00:50:51.930 Jen and James Wallace: I have been for a while. A big Tom from Dan. So I'm excited to talk about this piece. It's a temporal installation. So it's on on view from now until the end of April and

00:50:52.800 --> 00:51:04.470 Jen and James Wallace: Like you said, it's in Gansevoort Plaza, which is between Ninth Avenue and Dan's work Street and Tom fruin is a Brooklyn based sculptor. He's internationally known and he's known for these

00:51:05.010 --> 00:51:14.490 Jen and James Wallace: Stained Glass artworks. You may have seen his stained glass water towers around New York City in the past and this installation is called the bum Bora house.

00:51:14.970 --> 00:51:27.630 Jen and James Wallace: And it's in the shape of a house, and it looks different from day to night because what happens at night. Is it gets illuminated and the stained glass cup multi color.

00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:39.810 Jen and James Wallace: Lights are projected all over the plaza. And this is actually an interactive artwork and you can interact with and I believe direct the light by texting a phone number.

00:51:41.310 --> 00:51:57.060 Jen and James Wallace: That's displayed in the in app at the side of the work. It's 347-328-2636 I guess you could control it when you're not there. I think they have a live stream to because the phone numbers just public and this was, and I hope that's the right number otherwise.

00:51:58.350 --> 00:51:59.640 Jen and James Wallace: Texting green

00:52:00.150 --> 00:52:00.930 Blue

00:52:02.070 --> 00:52:19.380 Jen and James Wallace: And this was put on by the public art Fund and the New York City Department transportation and its depiction of home and it's a suggestion to kind of look at our own surroundings, with a fresh perspective. And that's really the intent of this installation.

00:52:19.950 --> 00:52:23.970 Jeff Goodman: Let's talk about the public art fund you mentioned it, what is it, when did it start, what is it, too.

00:52:24.570 --> 00:52:34.560 Jen and James Wallace: So the public art fund is one is probably the largest if not one of the largest nonprofits in New York City focused on public art.

00:52:35.850 --> 00:52:43.140 Jen and James Wallace: They were founded in 1977 the founder Dorsey Freeman was actually the city's first director of Cultural Affairs, which

00:52:43.530 --> 00:52:56.850 Jen and James Wallace: Has become a very prominent department within the government and within the art world. And since their founding and 77 they've had over 500 plus artists exhibitions and projects throughout all five boroughs.

00:52:57.720 --> 00:52:58.200 Jeff Goodman: One of the one

00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:03.000 Jeff Goodman: One of the ones that I really love that you sent me a link I hadn't seen it was

00:53:03.690 --> 00:53:15.870 Jeff Goodman: Irwin berms hot dog bus, which was in Brooklyn on the waterfront and it really is a piece of public art because you know if if something's comers. If someone creates something to sell something that is it really public artist or commercial art.

00:53:16.170 --> 00:53:20.190 Jeff Goodman: But they actually gave gave hotdogs away. So there was no cost to actually eating them.

00:53:21.090 --> 00:53:37.440 Jen and James Wallace: Absolutely, yeah. We covered that in our, in our web show art scene. And that was actually two summers ago on the public art and put that on as a temporal installation and we brought the star pup who's half wiener dog with us to go eat hot dogs leader bus.

00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:44.220 Jen and James Wallace: It's like public art that you can eat. I mean, it doesn't get any better than that. But now that was a lot of fun.

00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:53.610 Jeff Goodman: Let's talk about murals for a moment. There's a moving new mural in the East Village of a very important person who recently died in the United States.

00:53:55.110 --> 00:54:04.560 Jen and James Wallace: Yeah, there's, there's a new mural of our big Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Lower East Side. And that was part of the Lisa project.

00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:21.870 Jen and James Wallace: The Louisa project is a mural program focused on the Lower East Side that it puts together ongoing neural programming and that's that's their latest edition. And I think it's very timely and relevant and it's it's really vibrant and brilliant

00:54:23.220 --> 00:54:37.410 Jeff Goodman: Well, let's go to an outer borough for a couple of minutes. In fact, and add a borrow Rockaway, which is the only part of the city. That's actually a Jason to the Atlantic Ocean. It has beaches that are on the open ocean itself, there's a giant mural on the ground there. What is it,

00:54:38.370 --> 00:54:43.320 Jen and James Wallace: It's actually on a playground and um

00:54:51.030 --> 00:54:53.760 Jen and James Wallace: It's a by an artist.

00:54:56.940 --> 00:54:58.260 Jen and James Wallace: Sorry we hate dead air.

00:54:59.970 --> 00:55:00.240 Jen and James Wallace: It's

00:55:00.660 --> 00:55:23.040 Jen and James Wallace: Human dead air. Yeah. It's, um, she's a African American artist, and it's a entire playground. I think it's like a basketball court as well. And it was commissioned and its really striking and vibrant and it's it's abstracted white marks on the black pavement and

00:55:26.190 --> 00:55:28.470 Jen and James Wallace: There is it's Chantelle Martin I was totally Frank

00:55:28.740 --> 00:55:37.080 Jen and James Wallace: Okay, sounds. Hello, Martin and it's near the new Rockaway hotel and it's used by like over 700 students all the time. So,

00:55:37.770 --> 00:55:51.390 Jen and James Wallace: That's what's really great about, you know, public art is, you know, people who aren't necessarily expecting it get to engage with it and benefit from it every day. And I think these students are a really great example of that. And it's a 16,000

00:55:51.750 --> 00:55:59.610 Jen and James Wallace: Square Foot mural. So it's really impactful and it's on the playground of the water aside children's studio school

00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:08.370 Jeff Goodman: Let's talk about our dedicated to the written word and specifically poetry what and where is poetry path.

00:56:09.090 --> 00:56:10.230 Jen and James Wallace: That is in

00:56:15.150 --> 00:56:17.730 Jen and James Wallace: Down downtown in

00:56:20.970 --> 00:56:34.350 Jen and James Wallace: Battery Park City and the power of the poetry path is an immersive installation that includes more than 40 poets at Northern northern length of Battery Park City.

00:56:35.430 --> 00:56:57.060 Jen and James Wallace: And the works of the poet poets with have themes of relationships between people and nature and the urban landscape and are reproduced on on benches and banners and papers and pathways and signs and the installations up through the end of this year. So really engaging and interactive

00:56:58.230 --> 00:57:08.190 Jeff Goodman: Wow, there's so much are to talk about so little time, we have to go in a couple of seconds. But one other thing I want to ask you about light year in Dumbo

00:57:09.810 --> 00:57:25.710 Jen and James Wallace: Sure, yeah, you know, since 2015 Dumbo has had these amazing outdoor video art installations and it's 65 feet by 40 feet. And so even in this era of social distance and pandemic.

00:57:26.610 --> 00:57:35.700 Jen and James Wallace: They're still doing them. So you can see them and and still enjoy public art that is timely and temporary and and an event.

00:57:36.300 --> 00:57:47.700 Jen and James Wallace: It's projected on the Manhattan Bridge. And it's the first Thursday of each month, and each installation last about 30 minutes and is viewable from dusk to about 10pm 10pm.

00:57:48.090 --> 00:57:54.330 Jen and James Wallace: And it's put on by the Dumbo Business Improvement District or bid and the NYC Department of Transportation.

00:57:54.750 --> 00:57:59.340 Jen and James Wallace: You know, anytime you you can break the monotony of sort of the everyday humdrum life.

00:57:59.730 --> 00:58:05.880 Jen and James Wallace: And enjoy public art like that's what we really get excited by whether it's, you know, in our regular work.

00:58:06.180 --> 00:58:19.590 Jen and James Wallace: Or just out and about. There's just, it's, it's so surprising and so great to see people react to these things with activities limited these days. This is a really fun thing that you can just do it and engage with you can only been so much streaming content. I mean, come on.

00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:20.100 Yeah.

00:58:21.150 --> 00:58:22.980 David V. Griffin: Exactly. Yeah. And again, you just need

00:58:22.980 --> 00:58:28.620 David V. Griffin: To get back to the idea that people have actually made something that's worth seeing in real life.

00:58:30.210 --> 00:58:38.700 Jeff Goodman: All right, wow, you know, we were I was concerned that we might not have enough to talk about. But, you know, here we are at the end of the program. And we were just getting started.

00:58:39.600 --> 00:58:44.460 Jeff Goodman: I want to give a hearty thanks David Griffin of landmark branding David's the show special consultant

00:58:45.180 --> 00:58:59.700 Jeff Goodman: Jen and James Wallace of nascent aren't New York. Thank you so much for your first visit to rediscovering New York hope to have you back on the program before too long and I look forward to room at the top when it's when it's back back and swing.

00:59:00.180 --> 00:59:00.690 David V. Griffin: All the way.

00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:04.170 Jen and James Wallace: Thanks for having us and we'll be happy to come back anytime

00:59:05.520 --> 00:59:12.150 Jeff Goodman: If you have comments or questions about the show, or if you'd like to get on our mailing list, please email me, Jeff. It rediscovering New York today NYC.

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00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:35.940 Jeff Goodman: One more thing before we sign off, I'm Jeff Goodman, a real estate agent and brown hair Stevens in New York City and whether you're selling, buying leasing or renting

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