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Facebook Live Video from 2021/11/24 - How You Can Help The Feral Cats In Your Community

Facebook Live Video from 2021/11/24 - How You Can Help The Feral Cats In Your Community


2021/11/24 - How You Can Help The Feral Cats In Your Community

[New Episode] How You Can Help The Feral Cats In Your Community

About Renee: “Have you ever found kittens under your deck, in your backyard, in the wheel well of your car, or in your window egress?

Chances are high that you have and if not, chances are very high that you will. Of course, they’re completely adorable but what on earth are you supposed to do? Are they safe? Are they healthy? Where is the mom?

On this episode of the Professionals & Animal Lovers Show, Renee Kraft will cover “What to do if you find kittens?” Renee has been trapping cats/kittens for decades, she is well versed in rescue, TNR, fostering, and is a true expert in this field.

She is determined to help the community cats/kittens on Long Island, NY, and has great information that every animal lover wants to know.”

Tune in for this heart-felt conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Today's guest is Renee Kraft; she is a big advocate for the TNR Program; Trap Neuter/Spay Return. She goes out to communities to help control the feral cat population. After Tommy asks how the TNR process begins, Renee says that she needs to know who is feeding the cats, how many there are, where they are being fed, and what they are being fed helps her figure out how to work with her resources. Much logistical planning goes into her work which is why Valerie is angered by Hempstead's Township's lack of commitment to the TNR Program.

Segment 2

Val asks Renne how she got started trapping and how she learned. Renee says that she learned how to trap intuitively and by trial and error. She began this adventure in her early twenties when Renee was in her first apartment and had moved away from home. In the first apartment complex that Renee lived in, some people would feed the feral cats, and she decided that she would help out by getting them spayed/neutered. One of the cats she helped was a "mama cat," who turned out to be stray, not a feral.

Of course, since the words stray and feral are commonly misused, Valerie asks Renee to distinguish the two. A feral cat is a cat that has never been owned; it has not been socialized, it's not able to be handled, it is born in the wild, and it has not had human interaction. Whereas a stray cat is an animal owned by humans, touched by humans, socialized with humans; they are usually lost or abandoned by their owners. 

Cat socialization is the process in which cats become used to human touch. Val asks, "from a scale of 1-10, how important is socialization?" Renee says that if the cat is not used to being touched by humans or does not let their owner touch them, they can't get adopted. 

Val adds that in any shelter, there need to be more volunteers who are willing to socialize with cats. This process of socialization can significantly change the future of a cat.

Segment 3

When a colony of cats starts coming around because someone is feeding them, the cats will come around more often. Renne says that the responsible thing to do next is find shelter for the cat and get it fixed. Large cat colonies boom because feeders may not realize that the female cats can have three to four litters per year, so the best thing to help contain the cat population is to get them spayed.

An essential piece of information that Renee mentions is that once the temperature begins dropping under 45 degrees Fahrenheit, a cat needs shelter. Tommy then asks, "if we are not putting man-made shelters out there, where are they [the cats] hiding when it gets super cold?" Val chimes in, saying that they can find shelter in your car or as Renee mentioned, they simply just freeze. A great piece of advice that Renee gives is that in the winter, before starting your car, one should bang on the hood of the car to make sure there aren't any cats in there. Renee adds, "it's amazing how many cats and kittens will go into the engines to stay warm." 

Val asks Renee, "do you know how many cats you TNR in a year;" Renee says the number is in the hundreds. Renee alone can trap hundreds of cats in a year, and she says those figures are not uncommon in the TNR trapping community. 

Tommy also asks Renee if she has thought of becoming a non-profit organization. She says she has thought of the idea but that it makes more sense to use the funding, that would go towards the management of a non-profit, to the spay and neuter procedures.

Segment 4

When one finds kittens, LEAVE THEM ALONE! Typically when people find kittens, they disturb a nest; the mother is probably out trying to find food. The kittens must stay with their mother because they are fed and nursed by their mother. Renee stresses that mama cats give the kittens nutrients they would otherwise not get through KMR (Kitten Milk Replacer). Cats need to be with their mothers for at least the first 4-5 weeks of their life. Renee also stresses that one cannot take away a cat from their mother until they are old enough to eat solid food. 

Valerie stops and asks Renee, "well, what if I find kittens? How the hell am I supposed to know how old they are?" That is a tricky question to answer by the looks and reactions of Renee. She says that kittens usually have blue eyes; as they get older, their eye color gradually changes; that can help determine how old they are. Renee says that if a kitten just sticks to its mama, it means they are not old enough to eat; they still need to nurse from their mother. Providing the mother with shelter, food, and water is the best thing one can do for kittens and their mothers. When mama cats abandon their kittens it is usually because there is something wrong with the kitten, according to Renee. If you find an abandoned kitten, don't abandon it. 

Lastly, the Shabby Tabby Cat Cafe is a wonderful place to adopt a cat. Its mission is to take strays and give them a second chance. The environment helps the cats run around as well as lets people come in and interact with them. Go to Renee Kraft's Facebook page, the Long Island Feral Cat Trapper to learn more!


00:00:42.180 --> 00:00:54.330 Tommy DiMisa: You know, last time I heard that song Valerie half RON it was last Wednesday at 2pm Eastern time on the professionals and animal lovers show and I made some silly gesture, like, I was meditating and I disappeared, and then I.

00:00:54.930 --> 00:01:01.980 Tommy DiMisa: thought was funny but puppies tail was doing the same thing it's doing right now oh sorry folks use his pals professionalism animal lovers show i'm your boy.

00:01:02.220 --> 00:01:09.870 Tommy DiMisa: The nonprofit sector connector what's going on Tommy D here now, what is it tail going on, on your lap like what are we, what are we working with here what what what's going on.

00:01:11.160 --> 00:01:18.510 Valerie Heffron: So puffy I don't know if you can hear her purring but she has decided to make a couple of cameos she's getting more comfortable with.

00:01:22.800 --> 00:01:26.220 Tommy DiMisa: Have a mascot we have a mascot called joby the dog what what's going on here.

00:01:27.270 --> 00:01:35.550 Valerie Heffron: Currently he's on vacation and fluffy seems interested in becoming somewhat of a like you know, a more regular guests.

00:01:35.970 --> 00:01:36.240 yeah.

00:01:37.290 --> 00:01:41.190 Valerie Heffron: She is doing quite a good job, right now, but we'll see.

00:01:43.410 --> 00:01:52.860 Tommy DiMisa: I look, you know what there's going to be battling out household who wants to be the mascot so that's that's gonna be that'll be an interesting thing probably some videos valerie's probably some content we can get out of that when their battle.

00:01:55.830 --> 00:02:01.350 Tommy DiMisa: For attention So what does this show all about, so this is the professional as an animal lover show, and if you're new to this program.

00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:07.920 Tommy DiMisa: Well you're in for a treat every single week we're going to help you learn about we're going to help you find ways to.

00:02:08.370 --> 00:02:19.890 Tommy DiMisa: learn about animal advocacy learn about how to be an advocate learn about the challenges that animals go through each week we believe here that the bond between animals and people who care about animals, animal lovers, that is.

00:02:20.670 --> 00:02:29.070 Tommy DiMisa: is as strong as the bond between a pet and its owner and we believe that the people who care about animals like hanging out with doing business with conducting.

00:02:29.370 --> 00:02:41.520 Tommy DiMisa: Talk spending time conducted business with other people like love and care about animals, so this all came out of an idea many, many moons ago that Valerie had a networking event, a friend of ours shout out to our friend Chris.

00:02:42.060 --> 00:02:53.130 Tommy DiMisa: What he's an accountant, and he came there, and he would say he's he's not the most extroverted guy but Valerie made everybody wear name tags about what their interests were not hey my name is Chris i'm a CPA.

00:02:53.700 --> 00:03:02.760 Tommy DiMisa: or hey my name is Tommy i'm in the insurance business, but things that the person is interested in, and it really exposed an opportunity that we found here and we're.

00:03:03.510 --> 00:03:07.920 Tommy DiMisa: Moving that opportunity forward that the people who like animals like to connect with those.

00:03:08.250 --> 00:03:19.050 Tommy DiMisa: Others who like animals the let landscapers or outside today the long island railroad is running by the House there's a lot of exterior noise and then there's all the noise inside my head and that's.

00:03:21.540 --> 00:03:23.610 Tommy DiMisa: that's even more noisy than the external world.

00:03:23.790 --> 00:03:25.980 Tommy DiMisa: But we're gonna bring this show to you forever.

00:03:26.310 --> 00:03:30.900 Tommy DiMisa: Every Wednesday at two o'clock is the schedule right now and then we after we do the show live we go.

00:03:31.350 --> 00:03:35.280 Tommy DiMisa: On to the podcast platforms for you, but this place is called talk radio dot nyc.

00:03:35.610 --> 00:03:42.330 Tommy DiMisa: Professionals serving Community I love when they say that right before our show these I think that's what it's about we're serving community.

00:03:42.690 --> 00:03:58.170 Tommy DiMisa: I am the guy on the show who's trying to learn Valerie is the one who knows a lot of this and it's teaching me, along with our our array of guests in specially if you're not watching on Facebook, so I think what does she didn't puffy just clear fantastic.

00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:12.840 Tommy DiMisa: We can just this is why the Internet was invented so cat videos could be shown to people, so if you're not watching us on Facebook I don't know what you're doing get away from your desk sit on the couch watch this on your phone on Facebook.

00:04:13.530 --> 00:04:13.920 or just.

00:04:15.030 --> 00:04:27.780 Tommy DiMisa: So each week we're gonna bring you that type of information, those type of thought leaders and we're going to educate you on how you can be a part of the movement, you know the the advocacy movement, but the professionals and animal lovers movement so Val.

00:04:28.080 --> 00:04:32.790 Tommy DiMisa: Why don't you take I usually say this, my comrade my Pal wow.

00:04:33.510 --> 00:04:34.230 hi.

00:04:36.060 --> 00:04:38.820 Valerie Heffron: i'm just trying to get some cat hair from out of my nose.

00:04:40.050 --> 00:04:40.440 Valerie Heffron: So.

00:04:41.460 --> 00:04:46.380 Valerie Heffron: here's the deal every day I can't even believe this isn't happening to you um but.

00:04:46.410 --> 00:04:47.130 Renee Kraft: i'm waiting.

00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:48.090 Renee Kraft: i'm waiting friends.

00:04:48.420 --> 00:04:51.480 Renee Kraft: on the table and sabotage me i'm waiting.

00:04:51.510 --> 00:04:57.120 Renee Kraft: it's they're looking around like what's going on mom okay yeah they'll they'll make an appearance, hopefully.

00:04:59.220 --> 00:05:00.600 Tommy DiMisa: make an appearance as part of the rules.

00:05:01.320 --> 00:05:13.920 Valerie Heffron: So here's the thing I really am compelled to say that getting back to you know the premise of the show, and what we're looking to accomplish we're trying to create awareness and.

00:05:15.210 --> 00:05:26.760 Valerie Heffron: Bring exposure to not only great rescues and people who are out there, helping animals, but also like the businesses and the walks of life that they're in.

00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:38.430 Valerie Heffron: So it doesn't matter what you do that's all i'm looking to convey because you know, some people think that being a.

00:05:38.790 --> 00:05:48.510 Valerie Heffron: lawyer or an accountant or something is it's easier to, I guess, promote and garner attention to I don't care if you, you know knit.

00:05:49.140 --> 00:05:56.460 Valerie Heffron: hats for winter and sell them on etsy or whatever if you're involved and you're helping the animals and you're trying to.

00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:16.290 Valerie Heffron: you're a person of compassion, then we want to have you on the show, and we want to promote what you're doing this way, like, for example here from the holidays and to there's a woman who owned a very well known jewelry company, and you know this is her time of year Christmas and.

00:06:18.090 --> 00:06:27.300 Valerie Heffron: valentine's day coming up Those are two huge jewelry shopping holidays mother's day too, but really Those are the two primary ones so had I known.

00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:34.860 Valerie Heffron: Before we got engaged that the woman who owns London jewelers and she's going to be a guest on our show in January.

00:06:35.760 --> 00:06:45.780 Valerie Heffron: that she is a huge animal lover and she supports rescues and that she actually has a line of jewelry that up like a percentage of.

00:06:46.530 --> 00:06:55.170 Valerie Heffron: The sale price goes to like pause war and and campaign details, and you know, whatever I would have said to bury you.

00:06:55.590 --> 00:07:04.500 Valerie Heffron: You have to if you're ever going to buy me jewelry which I don't ask for, but you're ever going to buy me anything that's GA related please go to London drawers.

00:07:05.010 --> 00:07:19.440 Valerie Heffron: You know, so the whole point is that you don't have to own a jewelry store, you can you can be a waitress I love, I used to wagers I love waitresses I love the restaurant industry, whatever it is that you do we want to support you so.

00:07:20.250 --> 00:07:34.470 Valerie Heffron: For example, and without any further ado, I want to introduce this guest, so it is my honor, by the way, to have this woman on today, she is a spectacular animal advocate she's out there boots on the ground, doing so much.

00:07:35.250 --> 00:07:46.860 Valerie Heffron: has gone to municipal meetings and all that she happens to be a brilliant person she's an IT project manager for the New York state Board of education so.

00:07:47.280 --> 00:07:53.130 Valerie Heffron: I don't know how to necessarily support her and business through that way like what am I going to do some students to hurt you know what I mean.

00:07:53.280 --> 00:07:54.930 Valerie Heffron: But the end of the day.

00:07:55.200 --> 00:08:11.370 Valerie Heffron: Whatever renee says that she needs or wants help with if she pulls me up, I am going to bend over backwards to support her because she is a compassionate person and she helps the animals every single day.

00:08:11.910 --> 00:08:14.280 Renee Kraft: That I do, yes, so.

00:08:14.940 --> 00:08:22.980 Valerie Heffron: Without getting too far, I want you to tell your stories, and this is my dear friend, who I fell in love with before I even met her.

00:08:24.390 --> 00:08:25.140 Valerie Heffron: A craft.

00:08:26.100 --> 00:08:28.950 Renee Kraft: Thank you, thank you for having me on the show.

00:08:29.220 --> 00:08:29.730 Tommy DiMisa: I snore.

00:08:30.510 --> 00:08:32.850 Renee Kraft: Happy thanksgiving everybody.

00:08:33.090 --> 00:08:33.870 Valerie Heffron: Yes, that's you.

00:08:35.040 --> 00:08:43.800 Tommy DiMisa: pointed out that sounds a little story like you felt like before you ever met renee if you want only want to hang out with our when there's other people around all.

00:08:43.800 --> 00:08:44.250 understand.

00:08:46.410 --> 00:08:47.760 Renee Kraft: I know what she meant she.

00:08:47.760 --> 00:08:50.190 Renee Kraft: fell in love with my petition that's really what.

00:08:51.270 --> 00:09:01.290 Valerie Heffron: yeah and we tell her Facebook, we found each other, I think I saw fishing and health circulated and then we talked on the phone and then we talked more and before I knew it.

00:09:01.680 --> 00:09:09.270 Valerie Heffron: With coven and everything it was probably a solid year before I actually met her, and I consider to be one of my closest friends now.

00:09:10.350 --> 00:09:18.570 Renee Kraft: Yes, i'm a very strong advocate of tanar and last year, I had created a petition.

00:09:19.620 --> 00:09:28.800 Renee Kraft: To try to get the town of Hempstead animal shelter to reopen their their program that you and our program so that's how our friendship.

00:09:29.400 --> 00:09:29.640 Just.

00:09:30.990 --> 00:09:36.060 Tommy DiMisa: felt, so we like to just spell it out i'll spell it out, you know trap neuter return.

00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.360 Renee Kraft: Return exactly sometimes people say release.

00:09:39.450 --> 00:09:45.120 Renee Kraft: Our container want to emphasize the time actually go back where you got it.

00:09:45.900 --> 00:09:49.980 Tommy DiMisa: Not just like okay we're all set and just like drop you off on the side of the road, like.

00:09:50.070 --> 00:09:56.460 Tommy DiMisa: Well, so that's that's an interesting thing for me, can I say something just straight up because Val i'm feeling extra silly today.

00:09:56.850 --> 00:10:03.930 Tommy DiMisa: Yes, so as i'm reading this we have this background and bio and renee and i'm like dude you know what would be so funny.

00:10:04.530 --> 00:10:10.170 Tommy DiMisa: I and that's what i'm saying to myself, I was like dude i'm going to dress up like a like a ghost monster.

00:10:10.590 --> 00:10:16.980 Tommy DiMisa: And renee and I are gonna go duty in our and we're gonna pick up a whole bunch of cats and like get them set up do we have to do and release them back.

00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:29.820 Tommy DiMisa: But what a cool thing that would be or I think it would be fun and cool and maybe it's because i'm silly today, but where I can come out on location, we do a thing it doesn't have to be like a real ghostbusters do you have a uniform or day, is there a uniform to for your company.

00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:31.080 know.

00:10:34.830 --> 00:10:36.480 Renee Kraft: No, no uniform at all.

00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.990 Valerie Heffron: he's really all about dressing up like he wants.

00:10:40.170 --> 00:10:41.550 Valerie Heffron: to dress up in.

00:10:42.090 --> 00:10:44.280 Valerie Heffron: wants to be Santa the Easter bunny you.

00:10:44.280 --> 00:10:52.590 Renee Kraft: know I don't even have T shirts I literally just wear my jeans and any old T shirt with a jacket and.

00:10:53.310 --> 00:10:53.730 Tommy DiMisa: i'm thinking.

00:10:54.090 --> 00:10:54.660 that's it.

00:10:56.070 --> 00:11:01.410 Tommy DiMisa: ever in the front is like you got like a car heart suit like you know I get delivery boy would have like it no.

00:11:01.740 --> 00:11:02.550 Renee Kraft: No, not at all.

00:11:05.010 --> 00:11:09.480 Valerie Heffron: I don't get the ghostbusters thing only, because, like they were basically.

00:11:09.510 --> 00:11:11.850 Tommy DiMisa: exterminators just.

00:11:14.880 --> 00:11:16.800 Renee Kraft: wrong, because I know it's out.

00:11:17.910 --> 00:11:18.900 Renee Kraft: Good, by the way.

00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:19.920 Valerie Heffron: i'm afraid.

00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:27.600 Tommy DiMisa: I fell asleep, this was a bad thing cuz i'm afraid of things, so I went to sleep, the other night watching the original ghostbusters movie uh huh.

00:11:27.930 --> 00:11:34.470 Tommy DiMisa: And then I fell asleep and I don't really remember you know I didn't wake up scared so I guess it was Okay, but i'm I will get off this topic in a second we're gonna go to.

00:11:34.470 --> 00:11:34.800 Commercial.

00:11:36.330 --> 00:11:45.540 Tommy DiMisa: You, this is what I see I see you and me like in the you know the coveralls and we're going out with grabbing a cast, and I have to take a bunch of like benadryl because i'm allergic to cats, but then we.

00:11:47.190 --> 00:11:59.070 Tommy DiMisa: Were what tell me all kidding aside if I come and do this with you, not what happens you go out, you know there's a Feral Community somebody reported it to you and said there's a bunch of cats here i've been feeding them let's.

00:11:59.790 --> 00:12:01.860 Tommy DiMisa: let's work together to control the population which.

00:12:01.860 --> 00:12:08.820 Tommy DiMisa: Is all don't know you know I know for at least last 12 weeks, I know what this is about, this is about trying to control the federal population.

00:12:08.880 --> 00:12:18.360 Tommy DiMisa: Right when euthanizing these animals were helping them to not make more and not make it larger problems environment for us as humans and other animals as well.

00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:19.800 Tommy DiMisa: Correct oh.

00:12:20.190 --> 00:12:24.270 Tommy DiMisa: What does it actually look like you go out and you, you very carefully.

00:12:24.750 --> 00:12:44.010 Renee Kraft: trout what I first need to know is, you know who's feeding them that's basically key is who's feeding um When are they being said, where are they being said how many are there, I have to have spay neuter appointments available so once I trapped them, I have an appointment to take.

00:12:44.760 --> 00:12:54.750 Tommy DiMisa: You don't do that work so again, so I understand your relationships or connections, have to be where does the animal goal so you've already have time slots with who, with a vet with a veterinarian.

00:12:54.900 --> 00:12:57.240 Renee Kraft: With the low cost spay neuter I use multiple.

00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:05.670 Renee Kraft: Resources for my spay neuter I use shelter programs, and I use also private on Spain neuter.

00:13:06.630 --> 00:13:27.030 Renee Kraft: You know appointments with veterinarians and I also take advantage of any rescue clinics that that may be upcoming that I may have spots for so it's it's you know I kind of dabble in different avenues, you know, to get the job done and it a lot planning has to go into it.

00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:28.290 Valerie Heffron: So a lot of work.

00:13:28.350 --> 00:13:34.500 Valerie Heffron: it's it's really a lot of work, and this is one of the reasons I think she's good at it, because she's a big planner.

00:13:34.560 --> 00:13:36.690 Renee Kraft: You know plan that's what I do for a living so.

00:13:36.690 --> 00:13:42.210 Valerie Heffron: Right and she showed me her calendar once and I was like I couldn't believe it but anyway.

00:13:43.260 --> 00:13:45.510 Tommy DiMisa: Well, what happens, we go to break right Valerie because.

00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:46.680 Valerie Heffron: You know I can't believe it.

00:13:47.130 --> 00:13:48.780 Tommy DiMisa: Because you keep talking about Let me finish.

00:13:53.430 --> 00:14:00.600 Tommy DiMisa: Let me finish all right here's the thing, though, like what happened, I got somebody bankroll this whole thing right like I mean.

00:14:01.290 --> 00:14:14.640 Renee Kraft: It depends, it depends, so if there's a homeowner I will ask for them to cover the cost sometimes some Homeowners you could tell are destitute they can't pay for it so.

00:14:14.730 --> 00:14:16.650 Renee Kraft: I will pay for it out of pocket.

00:14:19.140 --> 00:14:19.740 Renee Kraft: yeah.

00:14:20.040 --> 00:14:24.570 Renee Kraft: It happens when I do my large chain our projects, I do fundraisers.

00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:30.630 Valerie Heffron: But renee has gone into her own wallet so many like countless amounts of time.

00:14:30.990 --> 00:14:36.510 Valerie Heffron: And it's it's something that I greatly respect, but I just want to emphasize before we go to break.

00:14:36.780 --> 00:14:56.160 Valerie Heffron: That this is one of the reasons why it's so hurtful that the hem said shelter program has been so greatly reduced, because you used to be able to drop off five cups a day and now it's one person per week, which makes it basically impossible to get stuff done very difficult and.

00:14:56.190 --> 00:15:09.570 Tommy DiMisa: we'll be back soon before we go What do you mean it take five catch a day like that was what you are what like you would leave them there have the procedure done and then pick them up and bring them back and release them or excuse me return them to where they were.

00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.260 Renee Kraft: No, no, no, no, no doesn't work that way.

00:15:14.400 --> 00:15:28.080 Valerie Heffron: day per per person like so if a trapper was trying to handle a large colony of let's say 30 cats or more, they could come with five cats on Monday, the shelter used to keep them and recover them.

00:15:28.350 --> 00:15:29.760 Renee Kraft: They have to recover after.

00:15:29.760 --> 00:15:30.600 Renee Kraft: spay and neuter.

00:15:30.810 --> 00:15:33.330 Tommy DiMisa: All right, okay so there's some time that.

00:15:33.510 --> 00:15:43.920 Renee Kraft: This is a now you're only allowed as a trapper bring one cat per week and prior to that you, you could, if you were traveling a lot could potentially bring 15 cats away.

00:15:44.280 --> 00:15:47.760 Tommy DiMisa: Alright, so five times three I got it and now yeah alright so that's.

00:15:47.940 --> 00:15:56.850 Renee Kraft: Even more if you were able to get special appointments on Fridays and Mondays you can even bring more in so it's a big difference.

00:15:56.880 --> 00:16:01.980 Tommy DiMisa: that's a big problem that's the problem that's the thing or, ladies and gentlemen, we call that a cliffhanger so.

00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.260 Tommy DiMisa: hang on to your hats in your seats in the whole thing I actually have something special I want to share with everybody.

00:16:07.470 --> 00:16:15.810 Tommy DiMisa: it's I gotta run downstairs and get it, because it was a gift at one of our past guests sent me in the mail don't worry about it you're going to get one too I just got to work out the address situation, this is.

00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:23.250 Tommy DiMisa: Your it belongs to you all your professionals and animal lover Sean Tommy D that's bow and that's her name will be right back.

00:18:35.550 --> 00:18:48.600 Tommy DiMisa: To do the dance we got renee to just cut were like happy trees were like happy little trees blowing in double check it out alright so professionals animal lovers show this is my friend boone.

00:18:49.350 --> 00:18:50.280 there's a booking so.

00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.880 Tommy DiMisa: I want you to start moving around the country you know, like.

00:18:55.080 --> 00:18:55.650 Valerie Heffron: guys.

00:18:58.260 --> 00:19:03.570 Tommy DiMisa: I got this is Tommy day that's Val that's renee this is pals professionals animal lover show in this package came shout out to.

00:19:04.620 --> 00:19:10.620 Tommy DiMisa: tanya diebold joey's Paul she sent me this book I got a Merry Christmas card.

00:19:11.970 --> 00:19:14.700 Tommy DiMisa: And I got I got a like a baseball card to.

00:19:15.510 --> 00:19:16.320 Oh.

00:19:17.370 --> 00:19:20.340 Tommy DiMisa: who's tanya out these folks so I put my book away.

00:19:20.760 --> 00:19:26.610 Valerie Heffron: So boone was was one of our guests tanya is his human tanya and Charlie and.

00:19:27.090 --> 00:19:48.720 Valerie Heffron: He lost his legs to abuse and she started a phenomenal foundation that provides prosthetics and wheels to animals in need and shelters, as well as people can afford that they've done over 1000 animals, mostly dogs but Castle so and boone cats I think she said, a guinea pig calif a variety.

00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:55.500 Tommy DiMisa: wasn't it like a one time there was like what's the what's the animal what's the reptile you guys have like a komodo dragon is something.

00:19:56.190 --> 00:19:57.180 Valerie Heffron: A bearded dragon.

00:19:57.270 --> 00:19:59.400 Tommy DiMisa: All right, I was thinking, like my next guest was crocodile.

00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:01.710 Tommy DiMisa: So I was crocodile those are big.

00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:05.040 Tommy DiMisa: But it was those kind of reptiles, it was like a reptile who needed wheels.

00:20:05.730 --> 00:20:06.990 Valerie Heffron: Maybe but anyway.

00:20:07.110 --> 00:20:23.850 Valerie Heffron: So boone the dog on the front cover of this book also just became hero dog of the year, so I was rooting for him so hard and he had already won therapy dog of the year by the American humane.

00:20:25.170 --> 00:20:36.060 Valerie Heffron: The American humane awards and i'm just so like honored I mean literally boons like a celebrity to me but speaking of just like renee renee is like a hero in my world.

00:20:36.390 --> 00:20:53.640 Valerie Heffron: And you know I want to ask you, because I don't think I ever really heard the story, I will tell you for myself and I believe I have said this, but we had some barrels in our backyard, I even wrote a parody song about one of them, because she was so cute.

00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:54.210 Valerie Heffron: And then.

00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:57.480 Valerie Heffron: I changed the lyrics for existing songs.

00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:59.880 Tommy DiMisa: lyrics to that song do you have them right there.

00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:02.610 Valerie Heffron: Of course yeah what.

00:21:03.090 --> 00:21:03.720 Tommy DiMisa: About from break.

00:21:07.050 --> 00:21:08.370 Valerie Heffron: So anyway, maybe.

00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:21.180 Valerie Heffron: um so we tried to trap Barry night and we stunk at it like we were so bad, we sometimes the cast will go in into the trap, nothing would happen.

00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:43.260 Valerie Heffron: And I thought they had magical powers um and then another time we travel like a raccoon and other times the trap would close, but no cat and so whatever, but like how did you get started in trapping be how did you how did you learn, you know how to do it and then we'll take it from there.

00:21:44.580 --> 00:21:55.530 Renee Kraft: um Okay, well, I do no one taught me how to trap it just was in it just was an intuitive thing that I just learned by trial and error.

00:21:55.950 --> 00:22:00.480 Renee Kraft: wow I got started doing it in my early 20s.

00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:20.160 Renee Kraft: And this was when I you know, had moved away from long island and was living in New Jersey and I was in my first apartment and it was in a what the complex that I lived in was in a wooded area and had a 711 and it kind of was the perfect breeding ground for.

00:22:20.310 --> 00:22:23.490 Renee Kraft: You know Feral cats and having litters.

00:22:23.970 --> 00:22:34.110 Renee Kraft: yeah has come into the complex and people would feed them, and you know you always have the people that you know complain.

00:22:35.010 --> 00:22:56.100 Renee Kraft: You know and that's kinda where that came from, I was one of those people that wanted to fix it, so I went and trap mama cats and kittens and brought them in and mama turned out to actually be a stray she wasn't a Feral um and I pawned.

00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:01.170 Valerie Heffron: The hold on time out, can you just a lot of people don't know the difference between a chance.

00:23:01.230 --> 00:23:13.170 Renee Kraft: So Feral cat is a cat that's never been owned it's not a handle social life socialize Pat, it was born in the wild it didn't have human interaction.

00:23:13.650 --> 00:23:28.320 Renee Kraft: Whereas what a stray strays usually you know cat that's been owned by humans that has been touched by humans that has been handled by humans and usually they either get lost or they get dumped you know they get you know.

00:23:29.370 --> 00:23:42.540 Renee Kraft: That people don't want them anymore, and they just let them out and usually, when they let them out they're not fixed so they're appropriating and you know and having letters.

00:23:42.930 --> 00:23:54.510 Renee Kraft: On this was the case with this one cat she had kittens and I wind up taking the kittens in socializing them and I wanted to finding a home for mommy.

00:23:54.870 --> 00:23:57.060 Valerie Heffron: So hold on one second i'm sorry to interrupt you again, but.

00:23:57.360 --> 00:24:00.660 Valerie Heffron: People here socializing they may not understand when.

00:24:00.870 --> 00:24:03.480 Tommy DiMisa: They go to happy hour Val they go to happy hour because.

00:24:03.810 --> 00:24:04.770 Renee Kraft: realizing is.

00:24:04.800 --> 00:24:07.920 Renee Kraft: Making it a cat used to human touch.

00:24:08.370 --> 00:24:09.120 Renee Kraft: yeah getting.

00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:12.120 Valerie Heffron: down how important is that on a scale of one to 10.

00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:27.600 Renee Kraft: Well, if your cat isn't accustomed to being touched by human and doesn't want to be touched by him and they won't make a good path so they are not adoptable really unless they go to a special home.

00:24:28.620 --> 00:24:36.270 Renee Kraft: Where like someone like me, I have a cat that's actually not well socialized and she does not allow me to talk to her um.

00:24:36.360 --> 00:24:36.960 Tommy DiMisa: But she.

00:24:37.170 --> 00:24:39.090 Tommy DiMisa: shoots with you and and you can.

00:24:39.120 --> 00:24:47.940 Renee Kraft: He lives with me, she gets along with my other cat she's queen she uses the litter box she's well adjusted, but she just doesn't want mommy to touch her.

00:24:48.120 --> 00:24:59.970 Renee Kraft: wow so I mean she's a beautiful cat she's sweet she's not nasty she doesn't you know, but she doesn't want me to touch her so I usually always sneak a pet in when I feed her.

00:25:01.230 --> 00:25:02.070 Renee Kraft: And then I run.

00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.560 Renee Kraft: Sometimes you know if I linger too much, and I get a little carried away she does go to swap.

00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:12.060 Tommy DiMisa: Just a SWAT right you're not going to snap that you or anything right.

00:25:13.590 --> 00:25:15.510 Renee Kraft: I know.

00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.710 Valerie Heffron: She she.

00:25:17.310 --> 00:25:18.570 Renee Kraft: I mean, she has got.

00:25:18.630 --> 00:25:21.720 Renee Kraft: me good once or twice um.

00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:22.530 Tommy DiMisa: that's important.

00:25:23.010 --> 00:25:24.030 Renee Kraft: On the temperament of the.

00:25:24.030 --> 00:25:33.810 Renee Kraft: Cat some cash just really don't want to be touched and it doesn't matter if you're good to them, and you don't abuse them, they just have that instinct and.

00:25:33.870 --> 00:25:34.980 Valerie Heffron: Violence thing.

00:25:35.010 --> 00:25:36.390 yeah and yeah.

00:25:37.590 --> 00:25:39.630 Valerie Heffron: at a young age, because.

00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:48.060 Valerie Heffron: Because they're if they trust think about it, if you're in the wild and you just trust anything and everything that's trying to walk up to you you're dead.

00:25:48.990 --> 00:26:03.360 Renee Kraft: yeah it's really a timing matter you know kids are best to be you know, taken from the Environment between you know five to eight weeks, once you get past eight weeks.

00:26:03.390 --> 00:26:06.240 Renee Kraft: It starts getting a little bit more difficult.

00:26:06.690 --> 00:26:13.050 Renee Kraft: Once the cat is about three to four months old it's really difficult.

00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.230 Valerie Heffron: To yeah I really want to jump into.

00:26:16.230 --> 00:26:18.720 Renee Kraft: doubt it takes more time and effort.

00:26:19.320 --> 00:26:25.800 Renee Kraft: Well, to get that cat socialize and it may not be 100% and that was the case with my makeup.

00:26:26.100 --> 00:26:26.670 Renee Kraft: She really.

00:26:26.910 --> 00:26:50.160 Valerie Heffron: want to say sorry interrupted the thing I want to say about the socialization factor is I would love to see in shelters and rescues um to to really make a push to attract more socializes volunteers it's an actual it's like a job you know what I mean and.

00:26:50.490 --> 00:26:51.570 Renee Kraft: Is a lot of work.

00:26:51.870 --> 00:26:52.530 Valerie Heffron: It is.

00:26:52.590 --> 00:26:53.160 Renee Kraft: A lot of work.

00:26:53.340 --> 00:26:53.670 For.

00:26:54.720 --> 00:27:01.680 Renee Kraft: Ending of your time too, because it's not good enough to just spend 15 minutes, with the cat.

00:27:01.770 --> 00:27:02.430 Valerie Heffron: A day.

00:27:03.270 --> 00:27:21.120 Renee Kraft: To really properly socialized cat you need to interact with it throughout the day and the more people that interact with the cat the better, because what happens with me is i'm spending time socializing a kitten well, it can get socialized me.

00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:22.440 Renee Kraft: But then.

00:27:22.560 --> 00:27:32.040 Renee Kraft: You know, when someone else comes into the House they're like oh who's that so I actually partner up with a friend of mine who has a couple of high school.

00:27:33.060 --> 00:27:40.380 Renee Kraft: Girls and I bring the cats to them for a week or two in their friends come over and.

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.190 Renee Kraft: I am and I pull up polishing.

00:27:45.990 --> 00:27:46.680 Renee Kraft: know I.

00:27:47.850 --> 00:27:54.600 Renee Kraft: I do the intake ID worm them I get them well you know, because a lot of times kittens are sick, when you get them.

00:27:55.050 --> 00:28:03.240 Renee Kraft: I get them to a good place where they're not fighting or being really nasty or anything like that, but this still kind of skittish and scared.

00:28:03.750 --> 00:28:19.560 Renee Kraft: And you know once they starting to let me pet them and handle them I then say okay now it's a good time to hand them off and get them, you know, a get more attention from other people so that they can start becoming a little bit more friendly.

00:28:19.710 --> 00:28:27.000 Tommy DiMisa: So I have a question real quick because I want to understand something and then i'm going to ask you about the chevy taffy chevy tabby cat CAFE.

00:28:28.050 --> 00:28:30.000 Renee Kraft: Okay i'll try to answer questions on.

00:28:31.170 --> 00:28:32.070 Tommy DiMisa: That organization.

00:28:32.310 --> 00:28:32.970 Renee Kraft: I am.

00:28:33.060 --> 00:28:39.210 Tommy DiMisa: Alright, so cool so first thing is this, our objective is twofold if i'm hearing this right, our objective is to go out.

00:28:40.410 --> 00:28:43.020 Tommy DiMisa: trap neuter release.

00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:48.090 Tommy DiMisa: Excuse me guys, we are releasing number we're releasing them back to where we got them from.

00:28:48.270 --> 00:28:52.410 Tommy DiMisa: yeah right, so we are so technically I was kind of right but not not really.

00:28:52.860 --> 00:29:02.850 Tommy DiMisa: rob neuter return right, but then it sounds like what we're doing is we're also picking up the babies were picking up these cute little kittens now what was a woman who came on a friend the Attorney down in Florida.

00:29:03.120 --> 00:29:07.020 Tommy DiMisa: With heather and I remember lunas was it lunas legacy.

00:29:07.350 --> 00:29:19.410 Tommy DiMisa: Yes, allergic to cats like I would have to get all because I was little kittens so cute but what we're doing so we're socializing the kittens to help them find a home so they're no longer on the street and.

00:29:19.710 --> 00:29:23.730 Tommy DiMisa: Exactly and we're helping the mom to not have any more babies.

00:29:23.790 --> 00:29:26.670 Renee Kraft: got exactly trying to definitely.

00:29:27.840 --> 00:29:29.580 Renee Kraft: population from expanding.

00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:35.400 Tommy DiMisa: yeah i'm on the show, and I was trying to make sure I understood it, so I figured for the other people like me who aren't getting I wanted to do.

00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:37.260 Valerie Heffron: so proud of you Tommy to be so.

00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:38.730 Tommy DiMisa: Oh me too oh wow.

00:29:40.980 --> 00:29:43.170 Valerie Heffron: he's so modest that's why I love him.

00:29:43.800 --> 00:29:45.240 Tommy DiMisa: I like Tommy all right.

00:29:46.320 --> 00:29:55.350 Tommy DiMisa: When we go to commercial break i'm going to share with you guys on the Facebook if you're watching the shabby tabby cat CAFE renee you can tell us about that when we come back we're going to break my producer.

00:29:56.100 --> 00:30:00.240 Tommy DiMisa: He knows later when I see him sorry Sam let's go to break we'll be right back the spouse.

00:32:04.260 --> 00:32:09.900 Tommy DiMisa: hello, my name is Tommy D, this is the professor's an animal lover show, and if you're checking us out on Facebook, you see i'm showing you have.

00:32:10.710 --> 00:32:27.090 Tommy DiMisa: A website for shabby tabby although shabby tabby Li calm and I will tell you, as I was looking at these pictures of these cats, it was reminding me reminding me as if I had been there in ancient Egypt, it was reminded me like cats around for a long time guys like I mean I feel like.

00:32:27.150 --> 00:32:36.000 Tommy DiMisa: You know right forever and there's some level and and stop sharing everybody, but there's some like level of I don't know royalty or.

00:32:37.350 --> 00:32:46.470 Tommy DiMisa: Can seem pretty smart right like we all like dogs and I will tell you somebody in my household I said we're going to be talking about cats and this person is more of a dog person.

00:32:47.550 --> 00:32:54.660 Tommy DiMisa: i'm not gonna mention him by name, but he said he was like Oh, I thought you wouldn't be talking about dogs today and I said no catches on the show today so.

00:32:55.950 --> 00:33:10.140 Tommy DiMisa: we're trying to catch up today, but this is a professionals, an animal lovers show if you hadn't heard so um what isn't there like history, maybe you guys can talk about that from cats like going back to like I think Cleopatra probably had some cats.

00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.020 Renee Kraft: um yeah.

00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:14.520 Renee Kraft: Right yeah.

00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:19.860 Valerie Heffron: A lot of history with cats, but I don't I can't I didn't really know Cleopatra that well.

00:33:19.860 --> 00:33:22.020 Tommy DiMisa: So I didn't either, but i'm assuming I mean I.

00:33:23.670 --> 00:33:26.160 Tommy DiMisa: Get cash that's all i'm saying is I think shots and cats.

00:33:26.610 --> 00:33:43.350 Valerie Heffron: Yes, well, probably so, but you know I think it's really important to so we're now just to let you know because I don't know if we got that into it, but Tommy has been volunteering himself so when he meant mentioned 60 days of service.

00:33:44.430 --> 00:33:44.820 Renee Kraft: and

00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:55.710 Valerie Heffron: that's what he's referring to he has he has this goal of of volunteering for 60 days with all these different organizations and or just people doing good things right.

00:33:56.100 --> 00:34:10.380 Valerie Heffron: So he's talking about volunteering to kind of piggyback with you to go to a location and learn about learn how to trap, you know what's entailed he wants to experiences with you and help so.

00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:13.890 Tommy DiMisa: jumpsuits like they were in goes back.

00:34:14.190 --> 00:34:15.870 Tommy DiMisa: To make a big deal that's part of it.

00:34:16.620 --> 00:34:33.870 Valerie Heffron: So what I really want you to also educate people on is you know what to do when they find let's say all of a sudden, I know how it was for me all the sudden a random cat i'd never known before or seen before just showed up in my backyard so.

00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:45.930 Valerie Heffron: You feel badly for it, you put out some outside in one thing leads to another you put out some food next thing you know you're feeding them today if you're late for you.

00:34:46.170 --> 00:34:47.910 Valerie Heffron: And, and then.

00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:53.010 Valerie Heffron: The memo goes around the neighborhood and the next thing you know it's two cats and it's three paths and then all.

00:34:53.520 --> 00:35:06.000 Valerie Heffron: Day there's kitten so let's talk about how to handle this like What do you do when you stumble on some kittens at or cat start showing up at your in your backyard.

00:35:08.370 --> 00:35:09.750 Renee Kraft: Okay, so.

00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:28.080 Renee Kraft: So there's different things that you do when it's a mom and kittens versus just cats, so if it's just you know colony of cats, all of a sudden adult cat start showing up usually what people do initially they just start feeding, because the cats are hungry and they're looking for food.

00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:42.540 Renee Kraft: um when you become a feeder you know the cats will start coming regularly to your home to eat, so you know if you'd make the decision to actually feed the animals i'm.

00:35:43.290 --> 00:35:58.260 Renee Kraft: responsible thing to do is to give them shelter and to also get them fixed get them spayed and neutered so that they don't you know make more because what will will do is they'll bring their offspring to you.

00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:09.810 Renee Kraft: and have them as well and that's how large colonies get um get created because people don't realize that they start feeding this friendly female fat.

00:36:10.590 --> 00:36:15.030 Renee Kraft: And before they know it she's had six kittens in the backyard on to the shed.

00:36:15.510 --> 00:36:30.090 Renee Kraft: and feeding seven cats and then they wait a few months because they really don't know what to do so, then all of a sudden those kittens the female ones they get pregnant as well, because you can get the female cast can get pregnant as early as four months old.

00:36:30.270 --> 00:36:30.900 Tommy DiMisa: Oh wow.

00:36:33.120 --> 00:36:48.690 Renee Kraft: About three letters a year and the average you know size of illiteracy four to five kittens now they can have more than that, I mean i've trapped, the biggest litter i've ever trapped to seven kittens, but they can even have more than that.

00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.430 Renee Kraft: It depends on the age of the cat the health of the cat.

00:36:54.690 --> 00:37:04.110 Renee Kraft: Cat some breeds have more kittens and others more the purebred cats like Siamese they tend to have more cats more kittens and a letter.

00:37:04.650 --> 00:37:05.850 Tommy DiMisa: yeah should you be.

00:37:07.020 --> 00:37:14.250 Tommy DiMisa: Like Valerie said she started feeding the cats and it's kind of like a natural thing that you want like there's a there's another animal there, they are hungry right there.

00:37:14.370 --> 00:37:14.640 Right.

00:37:15.660 --> 00:37:17.430 Tommy DiMisa: The warning that's my cat thing yeah.

00:37:18.690 --> 00:37:22.470 Renee Kraft: there's nothing wrong with that, I mean it's a very few main things.

00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:27.210 Tommy DiMisa: right but there's more to not just put you know.

00:37:27.690 --> 00:37:36.540 Renee Kraft: That doesn't just need food it needs, clean water, it needs a shelter, it needs a warm place you know to stay and to keep dry.

00:37:37.020 --> 00:37:45.480 Valerie Heffron: and talk about shelters, I want to talk about that for a second too, because I never realized, how many people have these shelters, but.

00:37:45.930 --> 00:37:53.610 Valerie Heffron: Yet, specifically, I found out the most important part to providing a shelter there's actually.

00:37:54.030 --> 00:38:11.610 Valerie Heffron: Like they look like little igloos or sometimes like a styrofoam almost like a cooler but they have around cut out and the most part, that I learned is that you have to use straw to you put that inside to help keep them warm during the winter yeah.

00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:18.780 Renee Kraft: One thing about shelters, is to be weatherproof right well insulated.

00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:19.950 Valerie Heffron: And to be.

00:38:20.190 --> 00:38:24.510 Renee Kraft: You know to be dry and not make them to be people people's.

00:38:25.350 --> 00:38:27.900 Renee Kraft: conception like well I have five paths, they need a big.

00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:28.950 Renee Kraft: shelter for.

00:38:29.070 --> 00:38:36.900 Valerie Heffron: My mom when she was eating a cat put towels towels around it and tells in size and no army can't do that because.

00:38:37.140 --> 00:38:40.170 Valerie Heffron: It brief they get wet and they freeze.

00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:40.860 Tommy DiMisa: yeah.

00:38:40.950 --> 00:38:59.280 Renee Kraft: Oh well, you need minimal spit air space, because what it is, is that the cat uses its own body heat to warm up the space inside the shelters, so if it's too big, of a space, the cat will never get warm because it's too much of a space birds body to warm up in.

00:38:59.850 --> 00:39:14.310 Renee Kraft: So you want to keep your shelter small you want to fill them with straw, not a not like it's not any kind of bedding you don't want any moisture inside you want to dry and only struck and do that as long as it doesn't get wet.

00:39:14.550 --> 00:39:20.520 Tommy DiMisa: Are they are they outside like when it's i'm assuming that when it's super cold like when it's below freezing and.

00:39:21.510 --> 00:39:28.380 Renee Kraft: hats once the temperature starts dropping below 45 degrees Fahrenheit the cat needs a shelter.

00:39:29.730 --> 00:39:30.150 Tommy DiMisa: Where do they.

00:39:30.750 --> 00:39:35.820 Tommy DiMisa: were like if we don't if we don't put like man made shelters out there, where are they hiding out like when it's super cold.

00:39:36.180 --> 00:39:37.320 Valerie Heffron: And they.

00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:42.120 Renee Kraft: They find places to hide out in but sadly cats do freeze.

00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:42.900 Renee Kraft: yeah.

00:39:43.560 --> 00:39:44.190 i've seen.

00:39:45.750 --> 00:39:46.770 Valerie Heffron: them do well.

00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.440 Valerie Heffron: Have a car they'll go up on your wheel.

00:39:50.520 --> 00:39:52.950 Renee Kraft: Why, you should always bang on the hood of your car.

00:39:53.160 --> 00:39:54.300 Renee Kraft: Right, we started.

00:39:54.360 --> 00:40:00.090 Renee Kraft: In the way other amazing how many cats and kittens will go into the engine.

00:40:00.150 --> 00:40:01.260 Renee Kraft: To stay arm.

00:40:01.560 --> 00:40:02.160 Renee Kraft: For the night.

00:40:02.490 --> 00:40:03.210 Tommy DiMisa: that's not good.

00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:04.170 Renee Kraft: You know it's.

00:40:05.220 --> 00:40:07.290 Valerie Heffron: so sad and this is why we need.

00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:08.640 Valerie Heffron: You know more people.

00:40:08.670 --> 00:40:14.160 Renee Kraft: People just have to make that habit to tap on the hood before they start getting into that part and start.

00:40:15.060 --> 00:40:15.540 yeah.

00:40:16.680 --> 00:40:24.420 Valerie Heffron: But you know also This is why, again, we need we need these programs back in full force, in fact, they should call them up.

00:40:24.660 --> 00:40:42.510 Valerie Heffron: And so, when I just have to ask your curiosity, because I know we talked pretty frequently, and you know you always have stuff going on with trapping and cats and i've got a litter of kittens in my garage do you have any idea like how many cats, you see in our in let's say one year.

00:40:43.830 --> 00:40:45.360 Renee Kraft: um it's in the hundreds.

00:40:47.100 --> 00:40:53.310 Tommy DiMisa: you're personally involved with with changing 100 of these or the word use fit getting them fixed.

00:40:54.120 --> 00:40:55.680 Tommy DiMisa: Yes, hundred each year.

00:40:55.710 --> 00:40:58.800 Renee Kraft: Conference a year me just me.

00:40:58.860 --> 00:40:59.250 Tommy DiMisa: You know.

00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:02.970 Tommy DiMisa: there's that so that's your whole team open you doing that right yeah yeah.

00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:04.380 Tommy DiMisa: well.

00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:09.780 Renee Kraft: As usual you'll find numbers like that, with a lot of trappers and.

00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.900 Tommy DiMisa: This is what I got a trap more than.

00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.650 Renee Kraft: than the average but there's a lot of rappers that do travel a lot of cats.

00:41:16.710 --> 00:41:23.490 Tommy DiMisa: that's pretty bad we talked about this earlier, but that is bad ass okay like going out and having several hundred of these and helping them out that's a.

00:41:24.870 --> 00:41:26.880 Tommy DiMisa: curse on the show but that's I did a bad word.

00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:28.920 Valerie Heffron: foul, but it is a dictionary.

00:41:30.630 --> 00:41:42.330 Renee Kraft: project that I did earlier this year I did about 82 cats in that one a three month span of that one chain our project that's just that T in our projects.

00:41:42.390 --> 00:41:44.220 Tommy DiMisa: What does that mean by project, what do you mean by that.

00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:59.910 Renee Kraft: What I tried to do is least two times a year this year only did it one one time I plan out of 10 our projects, so I have a soft spot for for cats that are in industrial areas that aren't taken care of by Homeowners.

00:42:00.510 --> 00:42:07.680 Renee Kraft: um and there's really there's no funding in it, I have to do a personal fundraiser and if.

00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.660 Tommy DiMisa: you're not a nonprofit though you're.

00:42:09.720 --> 00:42:10.590 Renee Kraft: you're not.

00:42:10.650 --> 00:42:12.450 Tommy DiMisa: you're just a person doing this.

00:42:12.540 --> 00:42:22.200 Tommy DiMisa: person, I wonder, I don't I don't often encourage people to start nonprofit organizations, because it's a lot of work and I always believe there's a program out there, doing this already and it might make sense to partner up.

00:42:22.530 --> 00:42:28.110 Tommy DiMisa: But in this scenario i'm wondering if you'd be the evaluated that are given in any consideration because.

00:42:28.350 --> 00:42:28.950 Renee Kraft: I have.

00:42:29.130 --> 00:42:32.280 Tommy DiMisa: yeah i've easy to get it might be easier to get funding unless it unless.

00:42:33.570 --> 00:42:34.440 Renee Kraft: she's already got.

00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:44.940 Renee Kraft: The cost to run a nonprofit um it's just it's it doesn't make sense I could use that money to just put into my.

00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.770 Tommy DiMisa: My independent, so you get to get funding from people or comes out of your own pocket.

00:42:50.160 --> 00:42:50.790 Renee Kraft: Well, yes.

00:42:50.970 --> 00:42:59.160 Renee Kraft: it's both I I put a lot of money of my personal money into it and I also do fundraising but I don't do it too often I just do it.

00:42:59.640 --> 00:43:14.190 Renee Kraft: You know, once or twice a year on my to a medical once a year, I did have a kitten that was very ill this year that I had spent about three grand on and I did a fundraiser for her.

00:43:14.580 --> 00:43:15.270 Family she.

00:43:16.860 --> 00:43:17.790 Valerie Heffron: was the one I don't.

00:43:18.090 --> 00:43:34.530 Renee Kraft: I don't see many fundraisers, but when I do there there, the one I did this year was around 3000 so um you know, I have to watch because i'm not a nonprofit can't fund raising raise that much money guys will.

00:43:35.310 --> 00:43:42.720 Valerie Heffron: ask you a just kind of like a fun question so um is it a to to say what your license plate is.

00:43:44.010 --> 00:43:44.460 Valerie Heffron: or.

00:43:44.550 --> 00:43:45.930 Renee Kraft: Oh in our girl.

00:43:47.100 --> 00:43:47.490 Valerie Heffron: yeah.

00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:50.700 Valerie Heffron: Her license plate is T in our girl, I feel like.

00:43:50.790 --> 00:43:51.840 Valerie Heffron: yeah right.

00:43:51.900 --> 00:43:53.100 Renee Kraft: mom's heart for.

00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:54.870 Valerie Heffron: hardcore and like.

00:43:55.590 --> 00:43:56.850 Valerie Heffron: The other question I have is.

00:43:56.850 --> 00:44:00.810 Valerie Heffron: Right now, so today and then we're going to go to break, but as of like right now.

00:44:01.860 --> 00:44:05.670 Valerie Heffron: How many traps are in your car right now.

00:44:06.750 --> 00:44:09.210 Renee Kraft: Well, I can only in my car.

00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.530 Renee Kraft: But I have doubled, that I have about 30.

00:44:13.950 --> 00:44:15.090 Valerie Heffron: Oh, and.

00:44:16.590 --> 00:44:17.550 Renee Kraft: Just so you know.

00:44:19.830 --> 00:44:21.840 Tommy DiMisa: This isn't normal This seems pretty normal.

00:44:23.550 --> 00:44:23.970 Tommy DiMisa: English and.

00:44:24.690 --> 00:44:27.060 Renee Kraft: Usually don't have that many traps, but.

00:44:27.720 --> 00:44:31.110 Renee Kraft: You know there's a few that have a lot of traffic that's a lot of traps that.

00:44:31.230 --> 00:44:35.070 Tommy DiMisa: hey plug into the show and you'll understand this tribe is not normal at all.

00:44:35.160 --> 00:44:39.630 Tommy DiMisa: I didn't lie they you know catnip nation pet rocks.

00:44:40.080 --> 00:44:41.070 Tommy DiMisa: we talking about here.

00:44:41.370 --> 00:44:50.940 Tommy DiMisa: crazy host runs to the dollar tree and picks up a whole bunch of cat food in the middle of family time to deliver food to end it oh my God and Kate House I forgot our ends.

00:44:53.520 --> 00:44:56.850 Tommy DiMisa: In half each House last week hashtag and candy shout out and Kathy.

00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.970 Valerie Heffron: was to be normal you know normal songs.

00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:09.000 Tommy DiMisa: I don't have room for all those cat drops in my car plus he sees we're gonna go to break when we come back, we didn't even talk about chevy tabby CAFE so you.

00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:10.980 Renee Kraft: can talk about the kittens.

00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:15.540 Tommy DiMisa: Right so much to talk about you might have to come back next week and you're invited to come back next week.

00:45:15.630 --> 00:45:21.630 Tommy DiMisa: Where is it Valerie i'll tell you about that when we come back all right we'll be right back house 90 seconds back.

00:47:18.810 --> 00:47:19.680 Valerie Heffron: Alright we're back.

00:47:24.210 --> 00:47:29.640 Valerie Heffron: What to do when or if you find kittens that's actually the name of the show.

00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:30.600 Valerie Heffron: Yes.

00:47:30.690 --> 00:47:32.190 Valerie Heffron: I know i've been.

00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:41.820 Renee Kraft: So um let's uh let's let's talk about that, so one thing that I do want to really stresses leave them alone.

00:47:43.620 --> 00:47:44.580 Tommy DiMisa: Their show so cute really.

00:47:45.900 --> 00:47:47.220 Tommy DiMisa: want to pick them up and.

00:47:47.310 --> 00:47:58.410 Renee Kraft: leave them alone Okay, so this is, this is why I say that, unless it's some kind of you know horrible situation where you you can't.

00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:08.550 Renee Kraft: But typically if people find kittens they're disturbing and nast there is a mama cat somewhere she's probably walk trying to go find some food.

00:48:09.090 --> 00:48:17.280 Renee Kraft: On the best thing that you could do is leave them alone, because the most important thing is for them to be.

00:48:17.700 --> 00:48:26.370 Renee Kraft: You know, fed by their mother nurse by their mother mama mama cats give them the nutrients that they can get from K, Mr you know.

00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:40.920 Renee Kraft: cats need to nurse, at least for the first four to five weeks when they are born, you know you can't just take a kitten from a mama unless it's old enough to be able to eat solid food, it has.

00:48:41.220 --> 00:48:43.560 Valerie Heffron: been Okay, yes, I agree.

00:48:43.680 --> 00:48:45.330 Renee Kraft: But it's dangerous to take a.

00:48:45.330 --> 00:48:46.920 Renee Kraft: cow i'm a cat.

00:48:47.310 --> 00:48:52.440 Valerie Heffron: Right, so I find kittens how the heck am I supposed to know how old they are.

00:48:53.730 --> 00:49:07.020 Renee Kraft: Well, first of all, I mean if they're not walking around if you know you can go online and look at you know the different the progression of kittens but kids usually a blue eyes.

00:49:07.740 --> 00:49:14.970 Renee Kraft: When they're like you know zero to ghetto for four weeks, they start turning their eyes start churning.

00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:25.830 Renee Kraft: And then they'll just be like the regular color that they are that kind of helps people ascertain whether or not you know there's still under that four to five week.

00:49:26.130 --> 00:49:33.570 Renee Kraft: You know age right, so what i'll say to people's like all the eyes blue the eyes are blue they know that too young.

00:49:34.080 --> 00:49:45.840 Renee Kraft: Or the baby's coming to eat now they just sticking with their mama well then there's still just nursing they're probably starting to go get their teeth they won't come to eat until they actually have tea.

00:49:46.950 --> 00:49:47.460 Renee Kraft: and

00:49:47.970 --> 00:49:48.210 Valerie Heffron: that's the.

00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:57.300 Valerie Heffron: thing that I didn't know all of this until one of the cats in our backyard, the one I wrote the song about she got pregnant she had kittens.

00:49:58.320 --> 00:49:58.980 Valerie Heffron: and

00:50:00.270 --> 00:50:05.250 Valerie Heffron: She would come, we will her primary you know feed source of food, she.

00:50:05.310 --> 00:50:05.910 Renee Kraft: Because.

00:50:06.240 --> 00:50:12.600 Valerie Heffron: When the kittens became old enough, she would come to eat, and she would call to call them.

00:50:12.810 --> 00:50:16.500 Valerie Heffron: Yes, and the little white fuzzy cute little kittens would.

00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:16.890 Valerie Heffron: Come.

00:50:17.130 --> 00:50:18.210 Renee Kraft: sing along and then.

00:50:18.720 --> 00:50:21.270 Renee Kraft: They can come along and eat on their own.

00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:21.870 Renee Kraft: Well, they don't.

00:50:21.930 --> 00:50:24.300 Renee Kraft: necessarily need mama to eat.

00:50:25.470 --> 00:50:29.790 Renee Kraft: I like to swoop in at six weeks of age that's what i'm like.

00:50:30.240 --> 00:50:30.540 Valerie Heffron: Okay.

00:50:30.570 --> 00:50:42.690 Renee Kraft: You know what's important is provide mama with shelter, food and water and leave her alone stay with them, because if you if you if she sees you near her kittens she's gonna move them.

00:50:43.140 --> 00:50:44.130 Tommy DiMisa: Is she also going to.

00:50:44.940 --> 00:50:47.010 Renee Kraft: Leave and then you're not going to know where they are.

00:50:47.130 --> 00:50:54.900 Tommy DiMisa: Is it like BERT so it's not like I worried like sometimes if my kids are actually my wife was doing someone's shrubs in the back and we knocked over a.

00:50:54.930 --> 00:50:56.640 Renee Kraft: bird's nest now you could talk to kids.

00:50:58.680 --> 00:50:59.250 Renee Kraft: And in it.

00:50:59.340 --> 00:51:00.360 Tommy DiMisa: Okay okay.

00:51:00.540 --> 00:51:06.300 Renee Kraft: hi mama cats abandoned kittens because there's something wrong with the kitten.

00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:08.880 Valerie Heffron: It so sad but that was.

00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.200 Renee Kraft: Fine, people find these kids they're like, why is this kitten out here all by itself.

00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:13.650 yeah.

00:51:15.210 --> 00:51:19.890 Renee Kraft: Sometimes those kittens don't don't survive because they do have health.

00:51:20.250 --> 00:51:24.840 Tommy DiMisa: Problems so she she knows like leave it here it's gonna it's I can't waste energy.

00:51:26.430 --> 00:51:26.670 Tommy DiMisa: On.

00:51:27.690 --> 00:51:36.180 Valerie Heffron: One of the hardest things I ever had to do, I thought well giving up my foster cat was hard, but one of the hardest things that I ever had to do was.

00:51:36.750 --> 00:51:54.390 Valerie Heffron: Trapped get the kittens traps and you know removed and it's so I don't I give you so much credit, and I really commend you because it's not easy, what you do it's not easy it's laborious it's physical it's time consuming it's it's money.

00:51:54.810 --> 00:51:56.220 Renee Kraft: it's heartbreaking very.

00:51:56.640 --> 00:51:59.130 Valerie Heffron: heartbreaking it is so just.

00:51:59.220 --> 00:52:14.190 Valerie Heffron: We did the right thing we trapped she had four kittens we tracked all, for we got all four adopted TV being like the first the first cats that were trapped like to have them at the same time, and one track.

00:52:14.670 --> 00:52:29.610 Valerie Heffron: The month sitting next to the creek and everybody's crying to each other and i'm like oh my God how am I going to get through this and, like you know you're doing the right thing that's, the only thing that pushes you forward but.

00:52:30.420 --> 00:52:34.680 Renee Kraft: so hard and then you can be fine banning you should definitely not ignore it.

00:52:35.130 --> 00:52:46.710 Valerie Heffron: Right and then, but then all the kittens were saved and and they were spayed neutered and adopted and she week was sitting outside in my backyard calling for her kitten.

00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:48.240 Tommy DiMisa: Oh Come on, you took my.

00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:49.890 Tommy DiMisa: breath oh.

00:52:53.160 --> 00:52:55.710 Renee Kraft: They don't they don't you know they do.

00:52:56.460 --> 00:52:57.090 Tommy DiMisa: The right thing.

00:52:57.540 --> 00:53:01.470 Tommy DiMisa: renee in your opinion is that the right thing, though, like or should we have left them alone.

00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:02.190 Tommy DiMisa: Let them know.

00:53:02.550 --> 00:53:12.000 Renee Kraft: it's absolutely the right thing, and not only that, but mama wolves at times abandoned her kittens once they get to a certain age and just move on and go have another letter.

00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:20.220 Valerie Heffron: The reason why we do this Tommy just so you honest, it sounds it sounds so it's brutal it crushes your soul, but.

00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:35.310 Valerie Heffron: it's because the life, the outdoor life is horrible it's horrible they've got a battle, the elements, they have to find food sometimes people will feed cats or whatever, and then they move away and there's no replacement plan.

00:53:35.910 --> 00:53:42.210 Valerie Heffron: They have to worry about predators, they have to worry about other cats fighting them for territory or whatever they have to worry.

00:53:42.750 --> 00:53:44.880 Renee Kraft: About parasites and worms.

00:53:44.940 --> 00:53:47.460 Valerie Heffron: And over by cars and.

00:53:48.510 --> 00:53:48.930 Tommy DiMisa: I got it.

00:53:49.020 --> 00:53:49.560 Renee Kraft: I got any.

00:53:49.620 --> 00:53:56.040 Renee Kraft: nominee kittens loser Einstein factions and that's another reason, when sometimes you may have to intervene.

00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:03.060 Renee Kraft: You could see that it might be kittens that mama has, and you know they have I infections, and you know.

00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:11.850 Renee Kraft: And then, if if the medical reasons, sometimes you have to take the kitten sooner from the mama but you've got to be prepared, then to bottle feed.

00:54:12.810 --> 00:54:25.830 Renee Kraft: Or to find you know, a rescue that might have an existing nursing mama that would accept you know the kittens but that's not a that's not a good choice you know what i'm saying, because that's very few and far between.

00:54:26.460 --> 00:54:34.410 Renee Kraft: um you know it's not likely that you're going to find that that's once in a while um you know you're lucky.

00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:39.780 Renee Kraft: But a lot of times, you have to rely on bottle feeders and it's a lot of work to bottle feed a kid.

00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:46.230 Valerie Heffron: So let me go back for one second because I think it's really important to provide people with information.

00:54:46.980 --> 00:54:51.570 Valerie Heffron: But before it's your contact info i'm just curious Have you ever considered doing a workshop like.

00:54:52.230 --> 00:55:04.410 Valerie Heffron: Like a workshop to teach people how to try to teach people like how to how to handle this situation like what if i'm trapping and all of a sudden oh my God, I have this eye infection kitten you know when.

00:55:04.830 --> 00:55:12.960 Valerie Heffron: Are you bottle feeding Have you ever thought about providing workshops, people will pay you for that I would have paid you for that I would have been like I have no idea what i'm doing clearly because by.

00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:15.180 Valerie Heffron: Now.

00:55:17.010 --> 00:55:17.460 Tommy DiMisa: Or you maybe you.

00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:26.400 Tommy DiMisa: could fund those courses, or whatever, that is a value is talking about that curriculum could fund the teen or work that you're doing.

00:55:26.490 --> 00:55:32.520 Renee Kraft: Right, maybe I would I do is I I show my homeowner's when I go to trap for them how to trap.

00:55:32.580 --> 00:55:34.080 Renee Kraft: I mean a lot of times I.

00:55:34.170 --> 00:55:35.460 Renee Kraft: I get them involved.

00:55:35.520 --> 00:55:35.880 Tommy DiMisa: to teach.

00:55:36.090 --> 00:55:37.140 Valerie Heffron: You how to fish.

00:55:37.200 --> 00:55:43.200 Tommy DiMisa: And we're we're running out of time and I showed the shabby tabby how what's the chevy chevy CAFE what's that about.

00:55:43.200 --> 00:55:48.960 Renee Kraft: A chevy chevy is a wonderful place to go, you know, adopt a cat.

00:55:49.410 --> 00:55:58.350 Renee Kraft: i'm basically you know I don't want to speak for them, but their mission is basically to take you know strays cats that have been abandoned or.

00:55:58.680 --> 00:56:07.890 Renee Kraft: are homeless, they were once own previously by an owner and it gives them a second chance and what Ryan has done is she's created this beautiful environment.

00:56:08.520 --> 00:56:18.990 Renee Kraft: For the cats to run free and play with each other and interact with each other and it's a beautiful environment for people to go to to interact with the cats and.

00:56:20.520 --> 00:56:21.150 Valerie Heffron: i'm going to ask.

00:56:21.300 --> 00:56:22.080 Tommy DiMisa: Brian where.

00:56:22.170 --> 00:56:24.270 Tommy DiMisa: The call out to Ryan, the founder.

00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:45.420 Renee Kraft: shabby tabby she does a beautiful job she's a wonderful person and it's exceptional what she's done and they partner with almost home rescue out in patchogue i'm dawn is the wonderful rescue or that runs the cattery there.

00:56:45.930 --> 00:56:54.870 Valerie Heffron: So i'm sorry honey, we do have to jump shortly, but just really quickly if people want to reach you what what do they do.

00:56:55.950 --> 00:57:02.820 Renee Kraft: Go to my Facebook page, that would be the best way and message me if they need to in our services that's the best way.

00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:04.620 Tommy DiMisa: So I just typed in a craft.

00:57:05.910 --> 00:57:09.480 Renee Kraft: um I haven't page is called the long island Feral cat rapper.

00:57:09.870 --> 00:57:12.360 Tommy DiMisa: Long island Feral cat trapper on.

00:57:13.020 --> 00:57:13.470 At.

00:57:14.580 --> 00:57:15.120 Valerie Heffron: It.

00:57:15.180 --> 00:57:16.290 Renee Kraft: And the reason why.

00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:23.640 Renee Kraft: Is that if you Google any of those names like on Facebook, or any of those my page will pop up.

00:57:24.030 --> 00:57:33.420 Tommy DiMisa: Alright, so if you need if you can't find any information follow us how show on instagram follow us on Facebook, we will make sure you connect to her name just reach out to us.

00:57:34.590 --> 00:57:39.240 Tommy DiMisa: To actually jovi at Pal show Pal hyphen show calm is our.

00:57:40.290 --> 00:57:45.810 Tommy DiMisa: that's our email address renee We appreciate you bell tell everybody about next week and we got to bring it to a close, because we're at time.

00:57:45.990 --> 00:57:52.410 Valerie Heffron: Next week, is our holiday round up and it's gonna be awesome we're going to have a prior guests on hopefully today's.

00:57:52.950 --> 00:57:59.670 Valerie Heffron: Excuse me today's guest as well and future guests we're going to give out holiday holiday tip each person that's on as well as promoting.

00:57:59.940 --> 00:58:12.150 Valerie Heffron: Whatever you do when, how can we help you so donations, or you know swag merge whatever you got and we want to help you guys as much as possible and healthy animals grenache oh you do.

00:58:12.240 --> 00:58:13.350 Tommy DiMisa: Okay, thank you, I look.

00:58:14.730 --> 00:58:19.050 Tommy DiMisa: I have a great vision of me going out and trapping i'll take a whole jar benadryl that day, the one denied.

00:58:20.190 --> 00:58:36.570 Tommy DiMisa: But in his total commitment of non violence on the always included the animal stating the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way, it's animals are treated i'm grateful for you all happy thanksgiving see you soon bye.

00:58:37.560 --> 00:58:39.330 Valerie Heffron: bye.

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