Dismantle Racism with Rev. Dr. TLC

Thursday, October 7, 2021
Facebook Live Video from 2021/10/07 - The Power of Legacy and Culture

Facebook Live Video from 2021/10/07 - The Power of Legacy and Culture


2021/10/07 - The Power of Legacy and Culture

[NEW EPISODE] The Power of Legacy and Culture

What you don't know can hurt you and others!


We have been miseducated in this country and are provided with limited information about the contributions of Black Indigenous People of Color (BIPOC). Understanding the cultural contributions of those who came before us has the ability to empower, inspire, motivate, and activate us to manifest greatness in our lives. There is much to uncover.


Where do we start? Join Rev. Dr. TLC as she talks with her guest, Venita Reynolds who is the Cultural Arts Commissioner for the City of Pomona. Learn how art broadens our awareness and how the legacy of others such as Biddy Mason, informs the way she shows up in the world. Be inspired to learn and do more to eradicate racism in your corner of the world.


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Show Notes

Segment 1

Rev. Dr. TLC starts the show by introducing the topic; the power of legacy and culture. She takes a minute to breathe with the audience to prepare them for controversial topics. Rev. Dr. TLC introduces her guest, Venita Reynolds also known as Queen V. Venita is a Cultural Artist commissioner for the City of Pomona. She is a retired nurse of forty years and is not only the pastor, but founder of the Reclaimed Queens in Blue Jeans Ministry. Venita and Rev. Dr. TLC discusses Venita ’s background and why she founded the ministry. Venita talked about needing a fresh start after losing her husband in 2018. Before the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and Venita discussed Venita 's 5 am service that is live on Facebook Monday-Friday.

Segment 2

After the break, Venita discussed some of her family history and the steps her great grandparents and grandparents took to create a better life for their family.  Venita talked about her great grandmother birthing fifteen children and raising ten on her own on a farm in Kentucky. She went on to talk about her family property or legacy and how it was ultimately lost due to systemic racism. She explained that even though her family sold the property it felt forced and wasn't a decision that wanted to be done. Before the break Rev. Dr. TLC and Venita talked about the importance of the younger generation to know about generational wealth.

Segment 3

Coming back from the break Rev. Dr. TLC and her guest Venita continued that discussion of property inheritance and the difficulties of keeping and or recovering the property. Venita shared her wants of opening a campus in Kentucky for the younger generation. She wants to build a reconstruction museum to tell the story of former slaves and the common man that once lived. Before the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and Venita talked about breaking stereotypes and living your values. In order to see change you have to be the change.

Segment 4

Venita discusses the research she’s been investigating and the steps she is taking to accomplish her vision. Rev. Dr. TLC talks about language and how we as a community have to be mindful of how we talk about certain things if we hope to dismantle racism. Before the end of the show, Rev. Dr. TLC and Venita spoke on how to honor generations that came before us.


00:03:00.900 --> 00:03:12.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: hello, and welcome to dismantle racism, where our goal is to uncover dismantle any eradicate racism, we want to create a world where racial equity.

00:03:12.510 --> 00:03:22.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: really does exist, and it becomes the norm i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc and today's episode, we will be talking about.

00:03:22.950 --> 00:03:27.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The power of legacy and culture i'm so excited.

00:03:28.200 --> 00:03:45.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To bring today's guest here who will really talk about some of her own legacy, but the legacy that we learn from our African American heritage that helps us to move forward and to begin to dismantle some of our learning that we have around.

00:03:46.290 --> 00:03:53.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: His story and who the contributors are of history, but, as always, I want to take a moment to Center us.

00:03:54.600 --> 00:04:08.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So that we can be fully engaged in this conversation, and we can fully be open to listen and to learn, so, if you will just for a moment, I invite you to quiet your mind.

00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:13.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take a moment to just find your breath.

00:04:15.330 --> 00:04:17.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To tune into that which gives you life.

00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:23.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take a moment to connect with divine wisdom.

00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:25.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your sacred source.

00:04:28.380 --> 00:04:29.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: notice your breathing.

00:04:31.530 --> 00:04:34.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: notice when you're breathing what your thoughts are.

00:04:35.910 --> 00:04:39.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And just breathe in and out.

00:04:41.400 --> 00:04:43.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Finding your rhythm.

00:04:44.460 --> 00:04:45.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Finding your flow.

00:04:46.950 --> 00:04:51.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Recognizing if you feel any tension in your body.

00:04:53.070 --> 00:04:56.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If you feel any stress around this conversation.

00:05:00.090 --> 00:05:06.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Remind yourself that you are loved and that you are love itself.

00:05:08.430 --> 00:05:15.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in and out the knowledge that you are a part of a shared humanity.

00:05:16.110 --> 00:05:24.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And you carry within you the power to heal and the power to be a part of changing the status quo.

00:05:26.010 --> 00:05:41.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in the knowledge that, before you ever came into this world that there were your ancestors, who came before you, your ancestors, who had hopes and dreams for you.

00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:46.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your ancestors who poured into our shared humanity.

00:05:49.050 --> 00:05:51.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So that you would have a different world.

00:05:53.970 --> 00:05:58.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A world that was filled with hope and faith.

00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:02.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And with a sense that everyone.

00:06:04.080 --> 00:06:09.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: deserves to be loved deserved racial equity.

00:06:11.400 --> 00:06:12.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: deserved.

00:06:14.940 --> 00:06:15.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To be free.

00:06:17.070 --> 00:06:19.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of stereotypes and hatred.

00:06:20.370 --> 00:06:21.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And bondage.

00:06:22.470 --> 00:06:35.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, just as your ancestors that came before we're aware of this breathing the fact that they have done some work that has brought you to this place today.

00:06:37.440 --> 00:06:39.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And that you stand on their shoulders.

00:06:41.310 --> 00:06:50.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And that they have empowered you to do the work that you're called to do to dismantle racism so just breathing that knowledge.

00:06:52.650 --> 00:06:54.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in that empowerment.

00:06:55.740 --> 00:06:57.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in that love.

00:07:00.210 --> 00:07:02.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in that faith in yourself.

00:07:07.530 --> 00:07:11.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and breathe in hope for our shared humanity.

00:07:13.350 --> 00:07:14.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take a deep breath in.

00:07:16.620 --> 00:07:19.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sigh it out unless began.

00:07:23.550 --> 00:07:26.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know we've heard that old adage that what you don't know.

00:07:28.050 --> 00:07:33.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He doesn't hurt, but I really believe that what we don't know really does hurt.

00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:46.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We have been miss educated in this country, and we see this conversation going around about critical race theory and folks are up in arms, because they really don't understand what it is.

00:07:47.340 --> 00:07:59.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They don't understand the importance of bringing in the ways in which we have all contributed to the making of not just these United States but the world in general, but.

00:08:00.300 --> 00:08:23.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: My focus is here, in the United States and so we've been miss educated and because of that, I think that it limits our understanding of who we are and what we can accomplish as people of color but also as white people because we don't understand that everyone's contributions.

00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:29.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: really is what helps to make us who we are today.

00:08:31.020 --> 00:08:48.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Some of our greatest greatest and venter's and the people who have made life, a little bit easier for us today were people of color but we don't know their history we don't know their heritage, and therefore we don't know our legacy.

00:08:49.530 --> 00:08:59.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so understanding the cultural contributions of those who came before us has the ability to empower us to inspire us to motivate us and to activate us to manifest.

00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:10.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The greatest cells that we can possibly be so I am so delighted today that my guests bonita Rentals is.

00:09:10.470 --> 00:09:20.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is here to talk to us about our legacy and the power of that she is the cultural artists, Commissioner, for the city of pomona.

00:09:20.790 --> 00:09:36.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But she has done so much more than that she is actually a retired nurse of 40 years so i'm sure that there's a lot she could bring in around healthcare, but that's not her focus for today, she is the pastor and founder.

00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:49.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Of reclaimed Queens in bluejeans ministry the queen's crown collaborative and queen champions now they meet at 5am in the morning but.

00:09:49.620 --> 00:10:02.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the beauty of it is is West Coast style For those of you who are on the east coast is eight o'clock in the morning for you and so it's a wonderful opportunity for you to reclaim your queen dumb.

00:10:03.990 --> 00:10:10.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: For Benita one of the things that I want to say is that her ministry is all around.

00:10:10.800 --> 00:10:19.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This this idea of being a catalyst of greatness by building others, and I believe that her conversation today around.

00:10:20.460 --> 00:10:31.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The power of legacy will help us to understand how we can become great even as we're looking back at those who came before, but as we're building others as well.

00:10:32.310 --> 00:10:43.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I will say that, in her position, as the Commissioner, the cultural arts, Commissioner, she collaborates with others around art policy.

00:10:44.310 --> 00:10:54.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Art and public places and she she's really been very, very involved and overseeing multiple millions of dollars of art in public places.

00:10:54.870 --> 00:11:05.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That that is funded annually so she brings a wealth of information with her around those who came before us and ways in which we can allow art.

00:11:06.690 --> 00:11:21.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to empower us as well, she is the author of reclaim jewels from the queen's crown there's much more that I could say about my guest today, but I want to get right into it for our dynamic conversation and.

00:11:22.650 --> 00:11:26.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Benita, who is also known as queen V.

00:11:26.520 --> 00:11:46.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I usually start by asking my guests, to share with us what grounds, you, but I think that we know from the introduction that you are grounded in a sacred source and you're grounded in ministry, so I believe that, where I want to start with you is Why do people call you queen V.

00:11:48.750 --> 00:12:00.300 iPhoneOld: Dr tlc I have to tell you that is the funniest thing because I never called myself queen bee but, as I established and founded the ministry.

00:12:00.630 --> 00:12:22.890 iPhoneOld: And our motto is to straighten your crown dust off your throne and reclaim your life so we deal with the money body mind and spirit, but the other Queens on my team started calling me queen V and it just caught on and so here I am but it's not anything that I ever gave myself.

00:12:23.220 --> 00:12:24.360 iPhoneOld: And Actually, I have to get.

00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:34.470 iPhoneOld: used to it, because it has become a nickname, so much so that people in other realms unrelated to ministry just call me queen bee so i'm like okay.

00:12:37.260 --> 00:12:37.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This is.

00:12:37.770 --> 00:12:40.740 iPhoneOld: For it yeah so I have had to become comfortable with it.

00:12:42.060 --> 00:12:42.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So.

00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:54.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know I know that your ministry grounds, you and I know that you, you help to build other folks up but tell us just a little bit about, we are going to talk about the power of legacy, but just.

00:12:54.990 --> 00:13:03.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: tell us a little bit about this five a Emma you do ministry that you do, because that really is a ministry to get people.

00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Up to get them on a call at five o'clock in the morning.

00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:20.610 iPhoneOld: yeah It really is, I feel like Dr tlc that God has pushed me more from pain into power, and by that I mean every March, since my husband passed in.

00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:28.890 iPhoneOld: was a month that all I wanted to do was crawl in the bed with netflix and think about him and miss him.

00:13:29.490 --> 00:13:41.580 iPhoneOld: And this year, I felt like my sacred source it enough of that another that you know you have wind, you have pride long enough it's time for you to redeem March.

00:13:41.910 --> 00:13:55.380 iPhoneOld: And so I hit thought and I had been working on an early morning practice and habit myself and I thought you know what if I invite my Queens wherever was crazy enough to join me I know.

00:13:56.250 --> 00:14:04.350 iPhoneOld: I know if I put it out there i'll be committed to it, and you know five minutes after I put it out there, I thought, if you lost your ever loving.

00:14:04.350 --> 00:14:04.740 mind.

00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:18.690 iPhoneOld: Not only are you going to be up you are actually going to be up there for him, because you have to be decent to present to them, but it has been one of the greatest experiences of my life.

00:14:19.020 --> 00:14:21.930 iPhoneOld: And down, it has been wonderful.

00:14:22.140 --> 00:14:24.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And is it a zoom call that early in the.

00:14:24.210 --> 00:14:33.120 iPhoneOld: morning is a Facebook group call we're a private group anybody can join, but they have to want to join because we're we're serious about it about it about it.

00:14:33.180 --> 00:14:41.850 iPhoneOld: that's what we did yeah we are A to B, we are audacious enough to believe in growth and that's what the whole trajectories about.

00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:48.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: um so just just curious for the listeners out there, do they have to be all dolled up by the.

00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:48.690 Time.

00:14:50.460 --> 00:14:50.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They.

00:14:51.750 --> 00:14:52.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Are.

00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.880 iPhoneOld: No tlc, this is the unfair part of the only one saying.

00:14:57.150 --> 00:14:59.760 iPhoneOld: That there's the Olympia probably.

00:15:00.540 --> 00:15:01.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That is true that.

00:15:04.140 --> 00:15:05.880 iPhoneOld: We haven't made it a room yet.

00:15:05.970 --> 00:15:19.020 iPhoneOld: I can try and get them to make it a room, so I can see them as well, but that wasn't what they signed up for so they they get to see me, you know ad nauseum Monday through Friday 5am.

00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:28.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So here's what I think it's beautiful about what you're talking about because i've actually heard you talk on your show a bit about your show audacious to believe.

00:15:29.340 --> 00:15:40.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That you really talk about your legacy of just being in church and how that has helped to ground you so you're already continuing a legacy.

00:15:41.130 --> 00:15:50.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of strong traditions, for having a sacred source and, that being something to carry you through so I really.

00:15:51.090 --> 00:15:58.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: want to encourage those of you who are interested in getting up at five in the morning to check out queen v's.

00:15:59.370 --> 00:16:05.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: information so that you can decide whether it's a place where you want to come, because what I understand is that.

00:16:06.660 --> 00:16:22.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Again it's a catalyst for helping people to live their greatest cells, so we do have to take a quick break already and we are discussing the power of legacy and culture, we will be right back with my guest today bonito Rentals.

00:18:36.780 --> 00:18:43.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with dismantle racism i'm your host Reverend Dr tlc my guest today is Benito Rentals.

00:18:44.310 --> 00:19:02.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The nita is here to talk about the power of legacy so let's get right into it the need i'm very interested to find out what for you is significant about understanding our legacy and where we come from.

00:19:02.940 --> 00:19:15.420 iPhoneOld: You know what Dr tlc since I was a little girl I have loved history, and I was told about different things with family history, I remember my grandfather.

00:19:15.780 --> 00:19:35.850 iPhoneOld: now understand my mother is 92 years old, so my grandfather, you know he's been gone for a few decades now, but he was a great theologian and author, when I was a little girl, and he was a mentor for other pastors in the Baptist tradition.

00:19:37.110 --> 00:19:51.270 iPhoneOld: So I used to travel with him to different conventions, he and my grandmother, and they would be selling their books and bibles and other things, but they would often talk about the old stories.

00:19:51.810 --> 00:20:11.850 iPhoneOld: And I would just put myself in those old stories, because I can imagine some things i'll give you another idea another example, my grandmother on my paternal side was born in Oklahoma before it was a state now my whole entire life she wasn't no work to me.

00:20:12.270 --> 00:20:12.870 iPhoneOld: At the time.

00:20:13.590 --> 00:20:33.450 iPhoneOld: I thought she was crazy I thought, possibly be older than the State she met you and we would visit her on her farm in Kentucky and she would talk about raising her 13 children on the farm by herself during the depression when bankers were jumping off bridges goes for her.

00:20:33.660 --> 00:20:34.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: wow.

00:20:34.530 --> 00:20:35.670 iPhoneOld: Her terminology.

00:20:36.090 --> 00:20:46.710 iPhoneOld: He taught herself to read, she was steps from slavery and I have always been so enthralled with the grit and the grace.

00:20:47.190 --> 00:21:05.490 iPhoneOld: of our ancestors, I feel that we fail i'll speak for myself pale in comparison to their dry and their perseverance what they put up with, and how they did it with such dignity and grace and just kept going, and they have nothing like we have.

00:21:05.820 --> 00:21:15.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, you know I really want to hear more about your great grandmother but you're reminding me when you say things like we pale in comparison.

00:21:15.780 --> 00:21:28.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know what my mother, used to say to me, sometimes I would talk about you know the things that I had to do, and my mother would say things like you know, make sure you're taking care of yourself, and you know I felt like she.

00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:41.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Was sort of giving me a pass and, in many ways, I would say mom look at all the things that you all had to do it was nothing but what i'm doing even though it's mental stress is nothing compared to what you all have.

00:21:42.390 --> 00:21:52.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: had to do, and you know what she would say to me, and she didn't mean this as an insult she said she would say, but you all aren't made of the same stuff we were made of.

00:21:53.850 --> 00:21:55.200 iPhoneOld: there's something to that.

00:21:55.530 --> 00:22:03.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think there's a lot to that because, when I think about what I would love for you to tell me more about you know, like about your great grandmother.

00:22:04.110 --> 00:22:20.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in the sense that I know your great grandmother own that all of this properties, but love for you to tell me the story about her owning the property and eating it to her attention because I wonder how she acquired that you know.

00:22:21.030 --> 00:22:23.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: During that particular time period.

00:22:24.060 --> 00:22:36.060 iPhoneOld: Oh, my goodness, Dr tlc I just returned from Kentucky, as you know, with my 92 year old mother, who is a phenomenal phenomenal in her own right.

00:22:36.540 --> 00:22:46.320 iPhoneOld: But she started unfolding the stories that I had not heard my entire life I had heard you know little clips you know cliff notes here a little bit here a little bit here.

00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:55.020 iPhoneOld: But she started talking about remembering her grandmother now my mother's own mother died when she was three years old, she doesn't really remember her.

00:22:55.320 --> 00:23:09.270 iPhoneOld: But her grandmother her mother's mother she remembers well because she spent so much time in her home and she told me that this woman had 15 children five died in infancy and childhood.

00:23:10.260 --> 00:23:20.130 iPhoneOld: The remaining 10 she had she raised Dr tlc by herself because her husband died when she was pregnant with the 10th.

00:23:21.030 --> 00:23:41.220 iPhoneOld: wow this woman was a house keeper made cook and washerwoman for the Community my mother said she remembers her home just being full of roles, you know laundry strong everywhere that she was doing for the white people, primarily in town.

00:23:42.330 --> 00:23:49.770 iPhoneOld: And she never made much money, but this is where they were so brilliant she worked for a judge.

00:23:50.100 --> 00:23:50.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: mm hmm.

00:23:50.820 --> 00:23:59.370 iPhoneOld: She was his cook and when he would have other lawyers around the table, you know how they learn to be quiet and invisible and listen.

00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:20.430 iPhoneOld: She learned and she starts saving her mother and her husband apparently also, I have to give him credit was brilliant because the word was how he took the Wall Street Journal and they were very progressive and proactive, but what she did in 1964.

00:24:21.840 --> 00:24:38.880 iPhoneOld: She had bought the land years earlier, but in sick i'm sorry 63 and 63 she had a divided and separated, for her two children had it legally set up so that it should not be sold outside of the family that it should be offered to family first.

00:24:40.230 --> 00:24:49.020 iPhoneOld: Well, regrettably that's not happening, and there are reasons for that the property was not stolen and i'll make that very clear.

00:24:49.380 --> 00:25:06.420 iPhoneOld: But this is where, in my opinion, the racism part comes in and systems of racism it's not that that particular property was stolen, but because of systemic systematic racism, they feel desperate to have to sell their legacy.

00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:11.550 iPhoneOld: So all of the properties not there, but my heartbeat is to get it all back.

00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:21.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So you know, I find it, this is a powerful conversation because really what you're when you talk about systemic racism.

00:25:21.690 --> 00:25:33.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're saying that there are multiple levels of racism that are put into place, I appreciate you saying it was stolen, because we do know that there was a lot of stealing that.

00:25:33.090 --> 00:25:37.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When when you are in a place of desperation.

00:25:38.310 --> 00:25:53.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You are going to sell and there are ways in which folks can convince you to sell what shorts because they also understand the value of your property and sometimes we have gotten I think in this later generation.

00:25:54.120 --> 00:26:02.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We don't understand the value of what our ancestors went through, and I think that the point that you're making about your great grandmother, I mean.

00:26:02.610 --> 00:26:15.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: First of all, so many kernels you pull out there one the power of listening, because they had to listen and learn at the same time, because they said there's a way out of this for me.

00:26:16.320 --> 00:26:24.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: great and so you talk about that, and then they went, when they listen, they also watched it began to model what they did, and so.

00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:38.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think that a part of what happens is is the telling of these stories to the cousins to the aunties to all of that, but repeating them over and over Like you, I actually.

00:26:39.600 --> 00:26:47.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I grew up with a family of where we owned land and everybody in our neighborhood plan and I actually thought that that was.

00:26:47.970 --> 00:26:58.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes, I given I grew up thinking, this is what happens in our area was until I was an adult and I really began to see how land was acquired and understood.

00:26:59.010 --> 00:27:03.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that when we talk about racism there's a concept called.

00:27:04.800 --> 00:27:15.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This may be too much for folks but there's a concept in in critical race theory that talks about whiteness as property who gets to own who gets to dispossess who gets to you know.

00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:24.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Can distribute all of those things right, and so, with that concept if there's an understanding that there is power.

00:27:24.690 --> 00:27:34.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In the ownership, yes, and sometimes what happens is if we're kind of thinking about our legacy and we don't know it and understand.

00:27:34.650 --> 00:27:50.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We miss out on what it will take to get not just us, but the next generation to where we want them to be, and so this understanding of dismantling the systemic racism it's about helping.

00:27:51.420 --> 00:28:11.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: us to understand that, even when we need money, even when we there might be some deficits and other areas there's more for us to do if we're going to rise from what our ancestors have given us there's more for us to do to not only help ourselves, but the next generation as well.

00:28:12.510 --> 00:28:24.750 iPhoneOld: Oh absolutely Dr tlc you hit the nail with a big hammer you covered so many succinct points, and you are absolutely right, but.

00:28:25.470 --> 00:28:48.990 iPhoneOld: As you know, because this is your field, and you saw adaptive and flexible and nimble in it, is that you know dismantling racism is such a in grain systemic process that we have to go, we have to peel through layers and layers and layers now about 25 years ago.

00:28:50.190 --> 00:29:00.060 iPhoneOld: And I regret it, to this day it occurred to me that we needed to really bolster that property talk to talk to the other errors.

00:29:00.300 --> 00:29:09.690 iPhoneOld: Make sure that everyone knew that you know what before you go outside the family offered to the family there's no shame in that, but we were negligent and doing that.

00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:24.300 iPhoneOld: People have you know family has spread all over the country all over the world, and everything, a lot of us were so short sighted that we thought Oh, I never want to live in Kentucky Well that is prime property right now.

00:29:24.600 --> 00:29:25.890 iPhoneOld: And met when I went to the.

00:29:25.890 --> 00:29:38.820 iPhoneOld: deed office, and this is what we have angels and allies, with people of other races everyone I spoke to in Kentucky was wonderful to us, and I was shocked, because that wasn't what I expected.

00:29:39.450 --> 00:29:49.500 iPhoneOld: But one of the ladies of the deed Office said, whatever you do with this property don't sell it for cheap This is great land well I didn't tell her no honey i'm coming to buy we're not selling.

00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.250 iPhoneOld: Not if we give up.

00:29:53.370 --> 00:30:00.990 iPhoneOld: Again, but it is so important that we import like you said to those coming behind us.

00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:09.750 iPhoneOld: What it took I think they don't realize what it took being steps from slavery, to have to fight and scratch your way through.

00:30:10.050 --> 00:30:20.760 iPhoneOld: You know it's not so easy to get property right now for a lot of us can you imagine what it was, for them, and so I feel Dr as a.

00:30:21.630 --> 00:30:34.890 iPhoneOld: 440 relay person like i've got a baton in front of me that i'm reaching for and i've got one behind me that are reaching back I am so passionate about young people, knowing.

00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:45.630 iPhoneOld: How to create generational wealth, even if their family didn't leave them anything that they can do it and that every generation doesn't have to be bootstrap.

00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:47.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Every day.

00:30:48.030 --> 00:30:54.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know I want to talk a little bit more about that we do have to take a break, because I really would love for you.

00:30:55.140 --> 00:31:07.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To really offer some ideas around how we don't have to stay stuck where we are and I just want to say you are really speaking my language, but you're also making me think.

00:31:08.040 --> 00:31:23.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Again there's been times I said, oh no, I have no intentions of moving back right, you know i'm from Mississippi I have no intentions of moving back, but first and foremost we don't ever know where we're going to end up that's, the first thing, but even if i'm not going to move back.

00:31:25.020 --> 00:31:39.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: there's the property and the land that your family has worked so hard to get now, what do you do with that and I do believe that is critical to tell the stories and to show the young people, some of whom are still living on the land.

00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:52.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And not maybe valuing it in the same way to say you got here because of the people who came before you but we'll be right back to hear a little bit more about your passion and your vision for helping folks to.

00:31:53.760 --> 00:32:04.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know gang generational wealth, this is dismantle racism i'm your host Reverend Dr tlc will be back to talk about the power of legacy.

00:34:41.250 --> 00:34:45.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with queen V, the Leader Rentals we are.

00:34:45.540 --> 00:35:00.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Talking about the power of legacy and culture, and before the break, we were talking with you queen V about the land that your your great grandmother established that was given to 10 of her children.

00:35:01.080 --> 00:35:11.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And, and then also, I believe you said, your grandmother had 13 children as well, so so it's a continued a little bit with there being this.

00:35:12.630 --> 00:35:22.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Beautiful family who's inherited this property and we've talked about some of the difficulties with keeping the property.

00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:48.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we're also talking about why you think it's important to recover the ancestral land and building a legacy of wealth, so can you talk to us a little bit more around your passion about that, and then, how do we get to this place of helping to build this generational wealth.

00:35:48.990 --> 00:36:03.660 iPhoneOld: Well, that is a whole mouthful Dr tlc it was interesting when I discuss this, the prospects of doing something with the land with my cousins who.

00:36:04.200 --> 00:36:13.110 iPhoneOld: were also heirs to some of it and they were like oh we're never moving back to Kentucky i'm like, but that does not mean that we can be small minded.

00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:32.070 iPhoneOld: You know, and so I started getting into my faith tradition and praying and what came to me when I came back home was campus because I really wanted some place where young people could come because i'm a firm believer that you can't go where you can see.

00:36:32.580 --> 00:36:33.660 iPhoneOld: yeah and it.

00:36:33.720 --> 00:36:46.650 iPhoneOld: Always bothered me like you spoke of Dr of your family and all the property well what is really become so interesting to me and my research is that was more than norm.

00:36:47.160 --> 00:36:58.200 iPhoneOld: After reconstruction after slavery black folks were on test to get property to have family ancestral homes, they were about building.

00:36:59.100 --> 00:37:08.490 iPhoneOld: And we don't recognize that enough so on the property that we have i'd love to have a reconstruction museum I don't know if there is such a thing.

00:37:08.790 --> 00:37:16.350 iPhoneOld: But that would tell the stories of the common man, you know we we talked about beauty mason and her phenomenal story.

00:37:16.650 --> 00:37:24.900 iPhoneOld: As a slave woman that walk behind a walk 1700 miles behind horse carriages and such and she became a huge philanthropist.

00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:39.660 iPhoneOld: In California there's a park to her, but there were comments unknown people like my great grandmother like your ancestors that still has such a vision for us well, I feel that we owe it to them.

00:37:40.140 --> 00:37:50.160 iPhoneOld: um to do something with it, and I think about Kentucky and I don't know i've never lived in Kentucky but just with the political system there and the powers that be.

00:37:50.520 --> 00:37:59.670 iPhoneOld: And their data that says that they have some of the world's health metrics they have some of the lowest education metrics among African Americans.

00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:14.040 iPhoneOld: That there's work to be done, so I am feeling the need to start a school there first I need to start a foundation, you know do all that is required, build a school build a campus have a because it's beautiful.

00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:23.640 iPhoneOld: You know horseman build sustainable gardening shows them what it looks like to thrive on their terms.

00:38:23.910 --> 00:38:26.130 iPhoneOld: Not on why folks property.

00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:40.350 iPhoneOld: But on their terms what ownership looks like and that they can have it, and that they can do it, and that they can be it that's really important to me and I feel like that's kind of a call on my life, it seems like i'm always reclaiming something you.

00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:45.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Were you were you are reclaiming and maybe you'll have to move back to Kentucky for a little bit just.

00:38:46.890 --> 00:38:47.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To time.

00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:54.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because, yes, that is what you're saying is a huge undertaking, but it is a much, much needed one.

00:38:54.720 --> 00:39:06.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And when I hear you talk about Betty mason you know you talked about her really quickly, but even her story for understanding the power of legacy, I know, is something that drives you.

00:39:07.050 --> 00:39:11.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And the work that you do, and I think that, since we're talking about uncovering.

00:39:12.600 --> 00:39:25.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Racism and dismantling it on this show her story is a powerful one because it taught she did some really great things in California, that a lot of people don't know about, and if we were to hear her story.

00:39:26.040 --> 00:39:32.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It would inspire us even even when we are not trying to walk 1700 miles like she's doing.

00:39:32.730 --> 00:39:45.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When we are into jobs that we're doing in their careers that we're doing if we could hold on to somebody like a bitty mason and say it, she could do it, I could do it, but so many folks don't know her story.

00:39:45.450 --> 00:40:02.520 iPhoneOld: Absolutely, and one of the most powerful parts of her story Dr tlc is that when she got to California, because I will know her being a slave she was torn from her family, I think she was from Alabama and sold as a child by herself.

00:40:03.990 --> 00:40:11.340 iPhoneOld: These white folks in Mississippi so I don't think that she ever had any concept of what freedom would look like, for her.

00:40:11.700 --> 00:40:19.530 iPhoneOld: But when she got to California, the providential you know, a sacred intelligence, as we love, to coin it.

00:40:20.160 --> 00:40:28.860 iPhoneOld: May provision for her erratic Community around her The interesting thing about her story is that her daughter one of her daughters her oldest.

00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:40.290 iPhoneOld: By that time was a young woman now, there were many pre ex slaves former slaves in California, but no slavery was illegal in California, but.

00:40:41.220 --> 00:40:52.470 iPhoneOld: benny's daughter fell in love with a young man he fell in love with her the family, the Community coalesced around her, and these were free former slaves.

00:40:52.860 --> 00:41:03.960 iPhoneOld: And they made it their endeavor that beauty and the other slaves that were with her would not ever go back to slavery, because what happened.

00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:12.000 iPhoneOld: Was the master once you realize California was free, I guess, he wasn't the brightest light bulb shared I don't know what he thought, but anyway.

00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:22.050 iPhoneOld: He was afraid of his slaves being taken from him so he was going to go to Texas, where they could remain slaves, the Community.

00:41:22.680 --> 00:41:34.170 iPhoneOld: Dr tlc got whipped up and it said, oh no oh no he moved them all the way to eat from San Bernardino to a ranch in malibu California high def.

00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:41.460 iPhoneOld: And the Community got shirts and went after them, and these were former slaves with money.

00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:59.010 iPhoneOld: That had done well and had influence and they went got at mason and the other former slaves and they were primarily mainly women and I realized that the reason for that is because with this long journey men would have escaped but the women couldn't because they had children.

00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:01.740 iPhoneOld: They weren't going to leave their base right so.

00:42:03.120 --> 00:42:23.670 iPhoneOld: What happened was so interesting and I prayed that someone does a movie or something of beauty mason story, but what happened was that they had them incarcerated put in jail actually put in jail, to save them from being kidnapped by this label until it went to trial.

00:42:24.780 --> 00:42:33.090 iPhoneOld: And error trial, but because the slave owner had so many shenanigans going in with trying to get them out of jail.

00:42:33.510 --> 00:42:39.840 iPhoneOld: He tried to bribe and drunk in the guards, you know this is way way way back when I guess when you could go off to jail some do that sort of thing.

00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:57.930 iPhoneOld: But the judge was so enraged and his behavior that one decision in that one particular misbehavior on the part of the slave owner soften the heart of the judge and said no they'll never be slaves again and that's healthy the mason one her freedom.

00:42:58.380 --> 00:43:02.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I want to, so there are several things in in in.

00:43:03.030 --> 00:43:07.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That you're saying that's really, really critical and that is the power of community.

00:43:07.350 --> 00:43:21.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are often taught, particularly as people of color as black people we always use that phrase crabs in a barrel, and we think that we're always trying to pull each other down, but what you're actually saying in that story is, and this is a stereotype.

00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:28.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that we need to dismantle is that we do have the power of working together all of these people.

00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:40.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know gathered around this enslaved woman to say look no we're going to protect you The second thing that I think is important, and this is particularly important for white people.

00:43:41.130 --> 00:43:54.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because oftentimes when I work with white people in the classes, that I offer they they talk about feeling so overwhelmed and what can I do all it takes is one person deciding that they are going to do something different.

00:43:55.080 --> 00:44:07.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because this judge who i'm assuming was white, given the time decided that it is important for me not to send this woman back into.

00:44:08.490 --> 00:44:24.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Slavery into shaq chattel slavery right so he's saying that she is no longer and in slave person she is going to be free, and I think that that's important, so if our listeners out there, with just understand that all it takes.

00:44:24.660 --> 00:44:34.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is a commitment and deciding that you're going to change and decide that you're going to live your values, but the other thing that I think that you said that was really critical, I want to get in.

00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:41.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: before the break is this you mentioned our sacred intelligence which I, of course.

00:44:42.720 --> 00:44:54.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: love that you acknowledge that we all have this sacred intelligence, because for me, it is our ability to go inward to tap in to that divine part of us.

00:44:54.690 --> 00:44:58.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That allows us to make decisions that are that's going to.

00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:17.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: manifest our greatness, so if we tap into the inner part of who we are, we know that we're not meant to be enslaved we're not meant to be impoverished we're not meant to stay in the systems of oppression, so the part about dismantling racism for me.

00:45:17.970 --> 00:45:22.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As a person of color is that I don't have to believe what the oppressor tells me.

00:45:23.310 --> 00:45:26.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And that I get to do my part because inside of me.

00:45:26.670 --> 00:45:34.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is something that is much bigger than what's on the outside, so my thing would be if our listeners those people who are of color.

00:45:34.230 --> 00:45:47.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Particularly to know that you have the power, you have the strength to also dismantle the internalized racism, because we all at some point began to believe the lies that the system tells us.

00:45:47.610 --> 00:45:56.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If we're not careful, so our sacred intelligence is what it says to us no no baby you're meant to be more than enslaved and make no mistake about it.

00:45:58.230 --> 00:46:03.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Even though our period of chattel slavery has ended.

00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:14.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There are ways that we still continue to be in bondage and we have to break free of that bondage ourselves, and we are asking our White siblings.

00:46:14.430 --> 00:46:27.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To help be a part of this freedom for people of color so that we don't stay stuck in those places, but we do have to take a quick break this is so exciting to talk about so when we come back.

00:46:29.070 --> 00:46:34.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I would love for you to talk about your African American legacy collaborative.

00:46:34.740 --> 00:46:49.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your ancestral foundation that you, which I think you've already started to talk about with talking about the school, I will come as soon as you build it, I want to be one of those people to come and to visit and be a part of that that cutting the ribbon.

00:46:50.220 --> 00:46:50.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: on that.

00:46:51.180 --> 00:47:00.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we will be right back with dismantle racism were talking about the power of legacy in culture today with queen bee they need a rental so we'll be right back.

00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:06.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with dismantle.

00:49:06.120 --> 00:49:07.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Racism i'm so.

00:49:07.200 --> 00:49:24.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: excited today because I believe that I stand on the shoulders the backs that the entire body of my ancestors so i'm delighted to be talking with queen V today about the power of our legacy.

00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:41.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know we be that you are interested in establishing a foundation and you've talked a bit about your vision already for your ancestral property say more about the foundation that you want to establish.

00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:48.720 iPhoneOld: Well, you know i'm already wanting to reach out to other errors of.

00:49:49.830 --> 00:49:57.420 iPhoneOld: people that have ancestral property or ancestral heritage it doesn't have to be necessarily properly property related.

00:49:57.690 --> 00:50:18.630 iPhoneOld: But have the stories and that's for the museum part for the honoree part I want to name the foundation of course after my great grandmother, and I did mention to you, I think, Doctor that she did it this property and had it all legally sound and 1963 and died in 1964.

00:50:19.650 --> 00:50:20.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: wow.

00:50:21.390 --> 00:50:27.600 iPhoneOld: So it was one of the major last things that she did and that just sit with me.

00:50:28.170 --> 00:50:28.770 iPhoneOld: You know.

00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:39.930 iPhoneOld: That just stays with me and there are some things that just stay with me I think about the slave ships all the time, and you know, think about how they we are here.

00:50:40.650 --> 00:50:55.740 iPhoneOld: Because they refuse to die, yes, when it would have been easier to die mm hmm everybody didn't decide to live everybody could, but you know what we are the heirs of the strongest.

00:50:56.040 --> 00:50:56.640 iPhoneOld: yeah that.

00:50:58.500 --> 00:51:00.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That will not finish yeah.

00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:03.000 iPhoneOld: we'll themselves to live.

00:51:03.660 --> 00:51:13.980 iPhoneOld: And so that propels me and every time I think about that, I think you know, every time the Foundation and the vision team so big what I always know is that provision follows vision.

00:51:14.670 --> 00:51:16.410 iPhoneOld: And millionaires can.

00:51:16.410 --> 00:51:22.170 iPhoneOld: Get on you know space shuttles because they have a vision for it, we can build a campus.

00:51:22.650 --> 00:51:23.730 iPhoneOld: And re use.

00:51:23.790 --> 00:51:33.990 iPhoneOld: It to uplift our people and I love, something that you said, Dr to so Dr tlc so powerful you said about you spoke of the myth.

00:51:34.620 --> 00:51:43.890 iPhoneOld: of black folks on the crabs in the bear barrel mentality, I always hated that because that's not true to our history, we would not be here, we didn't help each other.

00:51:44.160 --> 00:51:44.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right.

00:51:44.490 --> 00:51:45.930 iPhoneOld: We could not have survived.

00:51:46.230 --> 00:51:47.790 iPhoneOld: We wouldn't have had the historical.

00:51:47.790 --> 00:52:06.840 iPhoneOld: Black colleges, we would not have naacp it goes on and on and on all the civil rights movement those people, the Harlem Renaissance, we have a culture of working together now do we have in family fighting like every other Community does absolutely as we.

00:52:08.040 --> 00:52:22.470 iPhoneOld: Were boisterous and born with it yeah we are a magnificent people you know we and I don't discount or just diminish anybody else but i'm speaking of my own, we are a magnificent people.

00:52:22.770 --> 00:52:23.070 iPhoneOld: and

00:52:23.100 --> 00:52:40.380 iPhoneOld: I just really know that it is our season to rise, and you know what I may not live to see the fulfillment of all that you know is within me, but I want to happen solid enough so that it can be built on and built on.

00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:41.370 iPhoneOld: Yes.

00:52:41.610 --> 00:52:49.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know queen bee I can see how you inspire people in the work that you do so, I feel that.

00:52:50.490 --> 00:52:58.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There are a couple things that I need to do, particularly as one who who really teaches and trains around dismantling racism.

00:52:59.580 --> 00:53:07.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know I want to just to offer this if we could use in our language enslaved people as opposed to slaves.

00:53:07.050 --> 00:53:18.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because they were enslaved and they were they were taken in to slavery, because we have to be careful about our language, do we not.

00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:19.830 iPhoneOld: Because the loop.

00:53:20.730 --> 00:53:24.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Already devalued in this actually and.

00:53:25.500 --> 00:53:35.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When you take the people away and call them slaves it kind of devalues them a little bit I was thinking about something else that you said.

00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:47.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because i've always seen it this way to we've always been taught you're part of the people who survived the middle passage and so you're the strong ones you're this you're that and all of that is true.

00:53:47.370 --> 00:54:01.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It is so true but i'm also growing more to respect the fact that there were people who said i'll die before I become an enslaved person, and so I think that there's an honor even.

00:54:02.610 --> 00:54:12.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: For our ancestors who chose to jump into that ocean when they had an opportunity, who chose to say i'm going away to another land.

00:54:13.110 --> 00:54:24.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That route out of this, and so I think that we have to get to that point to that we honor them, and so I just want to take the opportunity to do that because.

00:54:25.410 --> 00:54:28.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That took some courage to jump into an ocean of.

00:54:29.700 --> 00:54:42.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sharks and cold water and this and that and knowing that your life was going to end and there are people throughout our history, who made that decision, even when they were enslaved.

00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:43.200 This.

00:54:44.580 --> 00:54:45.090 iPhoneOld: Yes.

00:54:45.570 --> 00:54:47.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now, now that doesn't take away.

00:54:47.190 --> 00:54:49.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: anything from the people who went through.

00:54:49.650 --> 00:54:50.400 iPhoneOld: what's an.

00:54:50.430 --> 00:55:01.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: End beyond because, as you tell the story of your great grandmother and the 16th were not great times her to own this land in Kentucky.

00:55:02.700 --> 00:55:16.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And for her to have the presence of mine that i'm going to do this land and no one took it from her is Mexicans, and we need to tell more of those stories and so.

00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:29.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You have actually given me quite a bit to chew on here today, even as I think about the the land that's that's our family property and we often talk about what can we do.

00:55:29.610 --> 00:55:50.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It with this land is just kind of sitting here in some ways right, and so, how do we honor the people who came before us, and I think, in your role as Commissioner, when you when you talk about culture and art, how do you bring in that legacy into the work that you do.

00:55:50.940 --> 00:56:10.530 iPhoneOld: Because I believe, like all people we are so brilliant you know all of us are every ethnicity every culture every background and what I really love about my city, is that they breathe, we breathe diversity we have native.

00:56:11.460 --> 00:56:18.030 iPhoneOld: Americans, we have, of course, the lat next Community African American Asian American.

00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:35.370 iPhoneOld: And every body is included, we don't discriminate against anyone because something you said was so important, Dr tlc everything you say, but so for that i'm getting nuggets and I am really gleaning from you it's hard for me to talk, because I want to hear you.

00:56:36.750 --> 00:56:38.250 iPhoneOld: But we.

00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:58.050 iPhoneOld: Will we uplift each other every race every culture every ethnicity it uplifts us all that's what where we get it twisted for some reason, the people that are racist and denying and trying to drive us back and drivers down don't realize that they aren't diminishing themselves.

00:56:58.260 --> 00:57:05.730 iPhoneOld: Right diminishing themselves, because when we come together and we are the full Kaleidoscope.

00:57:06.750 --> 00:57:07.080 iPhoneOld: Of.

00:57:07.110 --> 00:57:10.470 iPhoneOld: sacred intelligence what couldn't we accomplish.

00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:30.420 iPhoneOld: on this planet if we learn to celebrate collaborate and you know cooperate with each other, it would just be such a powerful place to be, and so the vision that I have even though it is primarily for at risk disadvantage, you know.

00:57:31.290 --> 00:57:38.490 iPhoneOld: predominantly African American you it is open to everybody, because everybody deserves to be the best that they could be.

00:57:38.970 --> 00:57:48.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So that is so wonderful I love that you talked about the Kaleidoscope queen V, we are at the end.

00:57:48.120 --> 00:57:48.750 iPhoneOld: of our.

00:57:48.960 --> 00:58:00.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Time together, it has been an amazing amazing time I really want to have you back again and at some point again to talk about this this this legacy and this.

00:58:00.660 --> 00:58:14.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This wonderful campus that you want to build I am I am in alignment with you and I will visualize with you for that to happen, but I know our audience wants to know how can they learn more about you or be in touch with you.

00:58:15.120 --> 00:58:35.100 iPhoneOld: Well, they can reach me, I have a private Facebook group called reclaim Queens and bluejeans ministry, they can ask to be added to that you can find us at queen bee and Dr for a website, and I would just love to hear from everybody Where are you to spotify soundcloud of them.

00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:44.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Okay, great so so with that we only have just a few more seconds left, could you offer our audience of a blessing, as we go.

00:58:44.520 --> 00:58:54.780 iPhoneOld: Absolutely I bless everyone that is viewing this sacred intelligence broadcast and I, my hopes and deepest desires for you are, that you find.

00:58:55.080 --> 00:59:16.050 iPhoneOld: The secret intelligence within yourself that is always drawing us home in every story that we ever share I believe everyone's deepest desire is for home where they are valued where they are accepted, where they are appreciated and I, my hopes are that you find that within yourself first.

00:59:17.160 --> 00:59:19.290 iPhoneOld: Because your heart is always home.

00:59:19.890 --> 00:59:23.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much, Queen V for being with us today.

00:59:23.670 --> 00:59:40.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This is dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam libra with we're Sam helps you walk through life with the greatest of ease enjoy be well be safe, be encouraged until next time bye.

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