As we learned after the nationwide reaction following the murder of George Floyd last year, it often takes a substantial wake up call for people to recognize the experiences of people outside of their communities. It took a deadly pandemic and the circulation of gruesome and disturbing footage to create the uproar that resulted in unprecedented accountability for the police officer who committed murder.
Gabe Nelson’s awakening took place in his own home, after his daughter came back from her liberal college talking about race. This new topic of conversation was out of his comfort zone but admittedly stretched his thinking in a meaningful way.
Join Rev. Dr. TLC and Gabe as they discuss his evolving awareness of race, specifically around the mistreated Native Americans in his state of residence, South Dakota, and the transformational effects of committing to fostering mindful consciousness.
Rev. Dr. TLC begins the show with a spiritual breathing. It’s to remind us that we are greater than life itself. It helps center us for this dynamic conversion on dismantling racism. Rev. Dr. TLC talks about how her guest, Gabe Nelson began to wake up even more around the conversation of race because of a discussion with his teenage daughter. Gabe Nelson is a financial advisor to “solopreneurs” and self-employed individuals. He helps business owners navigate the market and teaches how to budget their business. Gabe is the host of Solopreneur Money Podcast. Rev. Dr. TLC asks Gabe what practices are used to keep himself grounded. Gabe shares his morning routine, starting his day at 5 AM to exercise and meditate. He follows his mediation with a 20-30 minute reading session of various works. Before getting to the office and journaling, Gabe likes to make breakfast for his family to start their morning. He adds that having this daily routine helps clear his head and prepare him for his day.
Before the break, Gabe talks about his awakening. He expresses his ignorance to white privilege until having a profound conversation with his daughter during the light of George Floyd. Gabe admitted that it was a hard pill to take. Hearing from his daughters that he is a privileged man when he perceived himself as a self-made man caused tension. It wasn’t until his children made him aware of the obstacles that were removed from his path by the system.
Coming back from the back, Rev. Dr. TLC and Gabe continue their discussion on white privilege. Gabe gives a personal perspective of his experience growing up in rural America. Rev. Dr. TLC challenges Gabe on his perspective. She pushes for clarification and understanding on the lack of speaking up. Gabe shares insight on being more aware of social injustice as a white person. At first he fails to see how his business can help dismantle racism. He asks Rev. Dr. TLC what he can do as a white man to help change the system. Rev. Dr. TLC suggests talking about race with his colleagues and friends. She also adds to support black owned businesses.
Coming back from the break, Gabe talks about being a supporter for female business owners. He made the connection to being a father of three daughters which can be why the majority of his clients are female contractors. He makes a point to add that he doesn't seek to exclude people of color from his business consciously, rather his clients come to him. Rev. Dr. TLC wanted Gabe to ask himself why that is the case. She adds that people of color put themselves in uncomfortable spaces daily. It can be reading popular novels from western history or even attending schools that are predominately white. She says it is important for non-blacks to put themselves in uncomfortable spaces in order to reach change and understanding.
After the break, Rev. Dr. TLC asks Gabe how he will take this conversation to his friends and colleagues? She acknowledges the sacrifices that are made when topics like this come up. We sacrifice friendships, time, and business in order to engage in this discussion and make the world a better place. Before the end of the segment Gabe shares how he can use his privilege and platform to uplift people of color. He says employing people of color and giving them a voice on his podcasts are just some of the few ways that can make a difference.
00:00:36.660 --> 00:01:00.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Welcome to dismantle racism, where our goal is to uncover dismantle and to eradicate racism and create a world where racial equity is the norm i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc as always we're going to begin our show with breathing we just like to take a deep breath breathing and.
00:01:01.530 --> 00:01:11.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathing out and i'd like you this morning, just to take in a mental scan of where you are, as we began the show.
00:01:13.170 --> 00:01:19.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thinking about the tension that might be in your body, the thoughts that are running through your mind.
00:01:20.580 --> 00:01:26.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your comfort level as we began our conversation today on race and racism.
00:01:27.990 --> 00:01:36.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in awareness and breathe out unconsciousness breathe in equity breathe out bias he's.
00:01:37.860 --> 00:01:43.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathing openness and breathe out preconceived notions.
00:01:44.190 --> 00:01:53.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in peace and harmony and just sigh out any energy that might block the flow of dismantling racism.
00:01:54.420 --> 00:01:56.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take a deep breath in.
00:01:57.270 --> 00:01:59.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And then just release it.
00:02:01.020 --> 00:02:18.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I love beginning the show with breathing because it reminds us that we are life itself, and we are connected to something greater than ourselves and it helps to Center us for this dynamic conversation that we're going to have today with dismantling racism.
00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:38.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And, in the words of Harold melvin and the blue notes is time to wake up everybody, no more sleeping in bed, no more backwards thinking it's time for thinking ahead, the world has changed so very much from what it used to be there's so much hatred war and poverty.
00:02:39.900 --> 00:02:51.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And then there's a line that says wake up all the teachers time to teach a new way, maybe then they'll listen to what you have to say, because they're the ones who's coming up and the world is in their hand.
00:02:52.140 --> 00:03:06.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When you teach the children teach them the very best you can so wake up everybody, and so this morning, our show we're going to be talking about this waking up process how my guest today.
00:03:06.660 --> 00:03:21.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really began to wake up even more in the conversation around race because of a conversation that he had with his daughter, and I want us to understand that the world is in the hands of those who are coming after us.
00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:32.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Many of our young people are already leading the way, and so the more that they wake up to racism and colonization, the more they challenge the status quo and.
00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:48.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Often, their way of thinking is uncomfortable to those who have been sleeping so our guest today is here to talk about his awakening after his daughter began to engage with them and some conversations about race.
00:03:48.690 --> 00:04:00.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And it seems that she was being taught a new way of thinking in college and challenged him to do the same so that's the thing about when we send our kids away to college they learn.
00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:10.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Things that we perhaps didn't expect them to learn, and maybe things that we did expect them to learn, but then they challenge us.
00:04:11.070 --> 00:04:21.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: On the ways in which we engage with the world, so my guest today is the wonderful game Nelson gave is a financial advisor to solo printers and self employed individuals.
00:04:22.350 --> 00:04:34.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And he helps individuals learn how to navigate the markets, as well as learn how to manage and budget their cash flow they're dead large purposes, education, you name it.
00:04:35.370 --> 00:04:45.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And he has a podcast called the solar printer money podcast and I am so delighted to have game with me today gave welcome to the show.
00:04:46.170 --> 00:04:53.010 Gabe Nelson: Thank you very much it's an honor to be here Reverend Dr tlc I got I love saying that it's just fun to say it.
00:04:53.070 --> 00:05:03.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is I absolutely love it love it love it and I always enjoy talking with you gave and i'd like to start the show out by asking you.
00:05:04.080 --> 00:05:20.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because you've been out here, working in in the world for quite a long time, and most of us have to have a way of grounding ourselves to do the work that we do out in the world, so what are some ways in which.
00:05:22.410 --> 00:05:32.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You ground yourself to do the work that you do, even with financial planning or how does your sacred practice inform how you show up in the world in general.
00:05:34.740 --> 00:05:35.820 Gabe Nelson: I have a morning routine.
00:05:36.840 --> 00:05:49.560 Gabe Nelson: here a few years ago, was in i'm involved in a program for coaches, let me rephrase that for financial advisors that were involved in this coaching program and and meditation was brought into.
00:05:50.460 --> 00:05:57.270 Gabe Nelson: The idea of the things that we should be doing to help ground ourselves and help kind of quiet our minds and I came across a book.
00:05:57.750 --> 00:06:08.910 Gabe Nelson: called the miracle morning, I think it was how elrod I came across that book and I read it in about you know 30 seconds flat, it seemed like and I was like oh i'm going to create a morning routine.
00:06:09.420 --> 00:06:17.580 Gabe Nelson: And so I have a morning routine that I go through that I modeled after after the book it starts and.
00:06:18.060 --> 00:06:23.550 Gabe Nelson: Some people will identify with this, and some people will think i'm crazy but it starts at 5am with.
00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:32.310 Gabe Nelson: exercise, and it goes from an exercise to a 10 minute meditation every single day, and then I read for.
00:06:32.850 --> 00:06:43.950 Gabe Nelson: For about 20 to 30 minutes and and there's like a few things that I read a devotional daily stoic a couple of books i'm constantly reading multiple books.
00:06:44.370 --> 00:06:53.400 Gabe Nelson: And then, then the next piece, which is the best part of the morning is I go upstairs and I make breakfast for my family and get everybody out the door.
00:06:54.030 --> 00:06:58.170 Gabe Nelson: Because I work most the time out of my house and get everybody out the door say goodbye take a shower and.
00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:18.570 Gabe Nelson: And then i'm in my office and i'll journal just a little bit right before I start, and so my head is clear, I know my purpose i'm grounded, I am ready, and as we were doing the breathing exercise at the beginning i'm going on, this is just like I did this morning I love it so it's great.
00:07:19.320 --> 00:07:26.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes, and there's always just so so great to have a routine that clears us and I love that you.
00:07:26.640 --> 00:07:43.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: talked about your whole process I do want to ask you just because I know in the conversations that we have is that you have a connection to source and a part of your devotions that you just mentioned your devotional are probably centered around some of that connection with source.
00:07:43.980 --> 00:07:44.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is that.
00:07:44.820 --> 00:08:03.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: fair to say, great so I wonder how does that then inform your connection to source and to sacred, how does it inform the ways in which you move throughout the world, and how you identify with the folks that you serve and how you see other folks in the world.
00:08:07.530 --> 00:08:16.320 Gabe Nelson: The best way, I would say is is it it my wife says it when we go to church on a regular basis, it just helps me understand how to live my life.
00:08:16.830 --> 00:08:28.140 Gabe Nelson: And so that connection to source, the daily devotional that I read for lack of that put it just kind of sets me on the right path for the day that helps me understand how to live my life so that.
00:08:28.650 --> 00:08:45.390 Gabe Nelson: i'm looking at people as people not in any way, shape or form i'm looking at clients, as people i'm looking at prospects as people i'm looking at people that I don't like as people i'm looking at people I, like us, and so I think it just puts me on the right path of of.
00:08:46.950 --> 00:08:51.720 Gabe Nelson: really just being a good quality person throughout the day I think that's just a great start.
00:08:52.020 --> 00:09:00.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: room great great great so we're going to hold on to that one and we're going to come back to that in a bit so so i'd love for you to.
00:09:01.740 --> 00:09:03.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, share with us.
00:09:05.130 --> 00:09:13.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A bit about your awakening so talk to us, then, about what happened with your daughter, so you have three daughters great.
00:09:13.980 --> 00:09:25.770 Gabe Nelson: I do, I have this year, I have a senior in college, a senior in high school and a sophomore in high school so anybody, that is in that same boat knows that i'm really not a smart person right now i'm actually kind of dumb.
00:09:27.030 --> 00:09:27.240 Gabe Nelson: Think.
00:09:28.260 --> 00:09:29.040 Gabe Nelson: So.
00:09:30.300 --> 00:09:39.360 Gabe Nelson: You know, we have the pandemic kit and and you know my my daughter from college ends up basically you know, having to do school from.
00:09:40.350 --> 00:09:48.450 Gabe Nelson: From from our dorm room, you know when the when the first hit, and then you know the George floyd incident incident happened, the murder of George George floyd goes and.
00:09:49.110 --> 00:10:02.970 Gabe Nelson: And that's when my daughter, who was already very involved in social justice activities on her campus came home and really frankly just started to educate myself and my wife.
00:10:03.510 --> 00:10:14.370 Gabe Nelson: And just with conversations, she was really upset with with what happened my other two daughters were really upset with what happened and.
00:10:15.570 --> 00:10:32.880 Gabe Nelson: For life in any other way, to put it, they educated us as to why they were so upset and we were upset but our daughters had taken it on a even stronger and really just for lack of they put it, they really just educated us and opened our eyes up to.
00:10:34.470 --> 00:10:37.380 Gabe Nelson: The differences that are out there and.
00:10:38.460 --> 00:10:49.230 Gabe Nelson: Frankly, why they were so upset in you know the word that my my daughter kept saying to me, which was a little hard to take at the very beginning and for for.
00:10:50.130 --> 00:11:00.120 Gabe Nelson: What was the the phrase white privilege she's like dad we were we're privileged and it didn't really sink in and it took a little while for that to kind of come through to me, I mean.
00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:10.020 Gabe Nelson: i'm a 49 year old white guy and frankly I do pretty well so she explained to me, where I was in the food chain and.
00:11:11.460 --> 00:11:24.300 Gabe Nelson: That kind of hit home to me like oh okay now I get it, and so that was the piece of really my daughter educating me and my other two are constantly educating me as well.
00:11:26.160 --> 00:11:36.540 Gabe Nelson: Just yesterday, my wife my you know 15 and 17 year old daughter educated, Melissa and I on something we're like oh OK, we didn't know.
00:11:36.900 --> 00:11:45.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So well you're constantly being educated by our children right that's a beautiful thing and sometimes it's not so beautiful because I like.
00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:58.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: race you but let's go back to this word white privilege and why did it make you uncomfortable and particularly as a white male who, as you.
00:11:58.800 --> 00:12:11.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: have described before being at the top of food chain, now that we're gonna have to go to break in just a minute, but if you could began the conversation, why does it bother you or did it bother you to hear white privilege.
00:12:14.820 --> 00:12:17.100 Gabe Nelson: It bothered me because I.
00:12:20.280 --> 00:12:24.660 Gabe Nelson: I never really thought about it, I never really thought that I had a privilege.
00:12:25.980 --> 00:12:32.430 Gabe Nelson: I never felt that there were obstacles in my way or obstacles removed from my way.
00:12:33.420 --> 00:12:44.460 Gabe Nelson: i'm i'm a self made person I started this life with nothing I started my business with nothing I built it up with nothing and have grown.
00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:56.220 Gabe Nelson: and done what I would call the American way and so i've never seen it anything other than his hard work, doing what anybody else would do trying to build.
00:12:56.670 --> 00:13:08.520 Gabe Nelson: relationships to grow my business to take care of things and to just raise a great family and be a great dad I mean, frankly, if I am this life being a great dad I am just thrilled.
00:13:09.900 --> 00:13:21.180 Gabe Nelson: And so, as I, as I think that, through It made me uncomfortable because I never really realized that I had a white privilege, I never realized that things might be easier for me.
00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:28.620 Gabe Nelson: I just took it as i'm going to work hard and i'm going to do the best I can to achieve success in whatever that way it is.
00:13:28.980 --> 00:13:35.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So when we come back because we do have to take a break, I want to just talk about this white privilege, a little bit more and to.
00:13:36.060 --> 00:13:46.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really dissect what have you learned that's different for you as a white male that it might be for a black male, for instance, starting out in the same way that you did but.
00:13:47.400 --> 00:13:55.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're going to take a break we'll be right back this is dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc and we'll be back with GABE nelson's.
00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:31.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with dismantle racism i'm your host Reverend Dr tlc before the break I was talking with my guest GABE Nelson we were talking about white privilege and gave we were talking about your understanding of what white privilege meant and how before your daughter.
00:16:32.790 --> 00:16:49.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: introduce you to the concept, you were not familiar with it and we're also uncomfortable and the conversation so talk with us a little bit about what you have learned about white privilege and how it applies to you, and maybe different you know for folks of color.
00:16:51.690 --> 00:17:01.440 Gabe Nelson: The best example I can give as to how I understand it, one like I said I I didn't notice things growing up, meaning I didn't notice.
00:17:01.890 --> 00:17:11.310 Gabe Nelson: Barriers I didn't notice things that would be different for me versus like you like you had said, you know versus a black male I didn't notice the differences of.
00:17:11.790 --> 00:17:22.950 Gabe Nelson: Opportunities I didn't notice those things growing up and that's probably because I i'm in rural America, if you really think about it, I mean there's not a whole lot of color in.
00:17:23.370 --> 00:17:34.440 Gabe Nelson: South Dakota I grew up in iowa and there was some, but not a not a large percentage, so I didn't really notice like opportunities, etc.
00:17:36.060 --> 00:17:41.340 Gabe Nelson: But my daughter, you know, then shares with us the the podcast series I think what was it called.
00:17:42.570 --> 00:17:44.070 Gabe Nelson: The podcast series.
00:17:45.060 --> 00:17:45.630 and
00:17:47.790 --> 00:17:55.740 Gabe Nelson: I was blown away and, and this is part of the, I guess, maybe the ignorance that comes.
00:17:56.760 --> 00:18:12.810 Gabe Nelson: From from you know my uprising appraising you know growing up or or the awakening as you would maybe call it, I mean i'm listening this podcast and i'm going, are you kidding me there are bankers that are charging you know people of color a higher interest rate.
00:18:13.170 --> 00:18:14.610 Gabe Nelson: There are bankers who are.
00:18:14.700 --> 00:18:33.300 Gabe Nelson: Not even allowing people to apply for a loan to keep their farms going to keep their businesses going, you know real life stories happening today and keep in mind, I I I will claim the ignorance of it because it it didn't really hit me I didn't have to deal with it.
00:18:33.540 --> 00:18:38.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right and gave that's a privilege in and of itself, so that is a prime example of.
00:18:39.540 --> 00:18:48.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: White privilege, because I bet the few people of color who are in South Dakota can recognize right away, where the barriers are.
00:18:48.690 --> 00:18:58.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And for someone like you who's a financial advisor is really important to know that privilege, so that when you're dealing with clients of color.
00:18:58.620 --> 00:19:05.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It may even help you with dealing with their mindset around some things, or you might understand that.
00:19:05.670 --> 00:19:17.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When you're getting pushback the pushback comes from a place of knowing that things are different, for me, than they are for you and so i'm grateful that your daughter's.
00:19:17.700 --> 00:19:28.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: push and push and push that's the really great thing about having youngsters and i'm glad she introduced you to 1619 so i'd like to.
00:19:28.590 --> 00:19:42.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You to kind of talk a little bit about have you noticed ways in which you are changing, just as an individual and then also How does that translate to your business practices.
00:19:43.740 --> 00:20:00.270 Gabe Nelson: Change changing as an individual, I think, maybe i'm just i'm more aware of differences that that you know people of color might have to go through versus where where maybe I would have had to go through, and so i'm aware of those.
00:20:02.040 --> 00:20:09.390 Gabe Nelson: My practice is basically it from a business side my practice is for the most part.
00:20:11.220 --> 00:20:32.910 Gabe Nelson: Not people of color not because of a purpose, not because of an intention, but just by way of you know, who I have attracted who have chosen to work with me and who, as well as people who are, I would say, maybe within my my my circle.
00:20:33.030 --> 00:20:39.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: My social circle so gave you gave me permission to push you for the show, I want to just do that a little bit.
00:20:40.950 --> 00:20:48.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And this show may be slightly different from my other ones, because because you did give me some permission to make you a little uncomfortable with this, but.
00:20:49.260 --> 00:20:58.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So when you see that your practice is basically all white people that look like you and that are in your status.
00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:05.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Does it ever occur to you that what's wrong with this picture that there are no people I won't say no, because you probably have few but.
00:21:06.870 --> 00:21:20.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But that there are fewer people of color because that's the that's sort of a white privilege thing right there that I look around the world way so did it ever occur to you to ask the question hey what's up.
00:21:22.950 --> 00:21:24.210 Gabe Nelson: In simple terms.
00:21:25.620 --> 00:21:32.850 Gabe Nelson: know and and I, and I The reason I say that is is, and I said this when I also gave you permission to push me a little bit as.
00:21:33.390 --> 00:21:46.680 Gabe Nelson: We, as people and i'm meeting people doesn't matter what color we are 95% of the time we all were really worried about us as ourselves, I mean really we are a very selfish being us humans.
00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:56.610 Gabe Nelson: And, and I consider myself being a very generous person, but I didn't think about it very much until my daughter started saying something.
00:21:57.150 --> 00:22:14.970 Gabe Nelson: And then I also hired a an unbelievable virtual assistant her name is Christina and Christina is like you got to get some more people of color on your show you got to get some more people of color in your practice, you really need to do this, and like I don't disagree.
00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.320 Gabe Nelson: But I have.
00:22:20.580 --> 00:22:31.260 Gabe Nelson: built my practice on on people who were coming to me, and you know coming to me, by way of referrals I will say this, there is a current prospect in my pipeline.
00:22:31.770 --> 00:22:41.970 Gabe Nelson: Who is a person of color and I am excited as heck to work with her, because she has all of the characteristics of a solo printer who needs my help.
00:22:43.110 --> 00:22:45.570 Gabe Nelson: i'm not worried about any of.
00:22:47.850 --> 00:23:01.770 Gabe Nelson: Any differences there my goal is to learn about what her goals objectives and desires are and then help her fix those and get her down the path to you know the financial freedom that she's looking for so.
00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:06.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I would say, though, you know, I think that.
00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:11.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Being a person of faith, you know, because you talked about that, before.
00:23:11.850 --> 00:23:25.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And also just wanting to help other people that there has to be a process of where we reach outside of just saying this because I know that even though you say 95% of us are just selfish.
00:23:25.650 --> 00:23:38.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know from talking to you that your goal in life hasn't just been i'm just gonna make all the money, I can and not help anybody else it's so if the goal is to help other people, why not people of color, why not.
00:23:38.820 --> 00:23:49.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: predator your daughter, I think, because it always amazes me when I hear, particularly after George floor it was murdered white people saying that they're waking up.
00:23:50.280 --> 00:24:00.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm like why weren't you awake before, because there were lots of men of color and women, because sometimes the women get left out, who were being killed.
00:24:01.080 --> 00:24:14.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There, there was a lot that was different financially for us for health care so even now, I wanted, I want to push you a little bit to think, and I know you've done this on your shows because i've actually been on your show.
00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:15.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as well.
00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:36.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And, and I know that you're reaching out further, but I want to just push you to keep extending saying well wait a minute what don't I know about myself and what don't I know about people of color that will even help me to expand, who I serve and dismantle racism at the same time.
00:24:37.050 --> 00:24:54.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right, so that may not be your goal when you wake up in the morning, but because I know, based on talking to you that you're interested in expanding you could expand yourself in bountiful ways if if that becomes your goal what don't I know.
00:24:56.970 --> 00:25:00.270 Gabe Nelson: So, so let me then turn around to you how do I do that.
00:25:02.790 --> 00:25:17.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So one of the ways that you do it is, I think that that in your devotional practice that you're already given time way is to do the self reflection question to begin to ask yourself what am I not noticing about race and racism.
00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Great because I want you to understand talking about race is a positive thing.
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:36.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Racism is not so begin to say what am I not noticing, and how can I serve the people, either in my area because we're going to talk and just a little bit about.
00:25:37.230 --> 00:25:52.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The first nation people in your area and some of the things that you're noticing there but but began to say what can I do to serve people of color and increase equity, so you mentioned.
00:25:54.270 --> 00:26:02.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When you watch 1619 you learned about how things were different when we go to apply for alone.
00:26:03.930 --> 00:26:18.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How can you as a white male who's very privileged in a number of ways, and you and I have talked about you know just in terms of even just socio economic status, what can you do to change the system.
00:26:18.870 --> 00:26:31.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: For people of color what boards, can you be on where your voice will be heard you know things like that, because I think another thing that I would offer for you.
00:26:33.120 --> 00:26:45.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is start having a conversation about race with your friends and your colleagues, because i'm curious I shouldn't assume, but do you have conversations about race with your counterparts.
00:26:48.930 --> 00:26:50.670 Gabe Nelson: I can say, not very often.
00:26:51.360 --> 00:26:52.140 Gabe Nelson: And wisely.
00:26:52.590 --> 00:26:53.160 lie.
00:26:54.690 --> 00:26:57.360 Gabe Nelson: I in simple terms, it just doesn't come up.
00:26:59.100 --> 00:27:05.550 Gabe Nelson: it's it's not like we're avoiding a conversation it just doesn't come up, I mean I.
00:27:07.290 --> 00:27:08.490 Gabe Nelson: can't say anything other than.
00:27:08.970 --> 00:27:10.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The gate that's the privilege.
00:27:10.860 --> 00:27:13.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right and I will tell you that.
00:27:15.390 --> 00:27:25.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: there's probably rarely a day that goes by that i'm not having a conversation about race and it's, not because I do the dismantle racism show it's not because.
00:27:25.800 --> 00:27:44.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm you know I offer classes and it is because it's my lived experience so i'll give you a really quick example I had the wonderful opportunity to be in new Hampshire last week and you know it was amazing i'm there for rest because i'm resting during this month.
00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:56.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But i'm walking down the street with my friend and we're simply, I think we had had dinner, and we said let's go for a walk in Portsmouth new Hampshire.
00:27:57.030 --> 00:28:06.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Very few of us are there so one that's, the first thing I noticed where are my people who's missing from the conversation who's missing from.
00:28:07.470 --> 00:28:17.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The environment and then we walk a little bit further, and what do we see there's a whole section of the town that's dedicated basically.
00:28:17.850 --> 00:28:28.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To black people who were enslaved in the town, and of course they've built all this property on top of this barrier Greg burial ground so i'm noticing that.
00:28:29.550 --> 00:28:40.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm noticing it as a person of color and because it's my ancestors but i'm noticing it because i'm always trying to well not trying it's just in my face.
00:28:41.430 --> 00:28:53.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so, when you are a person of privilege it's in your face, but if you're not conscious of it, you will not see it so i'm going to advocate.
00:28:54.780 --> 00:29:06.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As you are awakening to be more conscious about history like 1619 but to be more conscious about who's missing from the conversation.
00:29:06.600 --> 00:29:19.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we do have to take a quick break GABE and now, if you want to comment, when we come back get your thoughts together on that because we're going to take a break we'll be right back this is dismantle racism with your host the Reverend Dr tlc.
00:31:50.910 --> 00:32:04.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tails see and my guest today is gave Nelson engaged right before the break I was challenging you to notice and.
00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:20.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to give you an opportunity if you'd like to respond to what I was saying about waking up even more and becoming conscious of who's not in the room who's not in the conversations and was not in the environment in which you're in thoughts.
00:32:22.770 --> 00:32:32.880 Gabe Nelson: Well, I like your advice of you know, including that in my daily routine because that allows me then to start to think through and start to then place.
00:32:34.050 --> 00:32:39.870 Gabe Nelson: I guess place markers in my day to go all right, how can I start to open up that opportunity.
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:56.670 Gabe Nelson: You know, I will say you know with my podcast my podcast is for anybody and everybody and it's for solo printers, and so the idea and and I have a book coming out and and that book is for solo printers and so.
00:32:57.660 --> 00:33:10.650 Gabe Nelson: My hope is to attract anybody and everybody that in more people of color to to utilize the services that that I can provide or someone like myself can provide.
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:18.660 Gabe Nelson: You know I employ a lot of contractors and, primarily, most of the contractors I employ are women.
00:33:20.370 --> 00:33:22.440 Gabe Nelson: You know, being a girl dad.
00:33:22.800 --> 00:33:31.170 Gabe Nelson: I have a soft spot in my my heart, for you know females that are running businesses and contractors and so.
00:33:31.590 --> 00:33:45.540 Gabe Nelson: I think probably the next thing that I have to start considering is is contractors need to then also have the opportunity to have people of color be those contractors as well, those other small business owners that need.
00:33:47.040 --> 00:34:01.170 Gabe Nelson: Business just as businesses to support because, like I said I support quite a few contractors i'm a solo printers solo business owner and i've chosen to outsource everything that happens, for me, and like I said, most of them are women.
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:17.220 Gabe Nelson: But I can honestly say I don't have a lot of people of color that are in that area that are supporting my practice and my business but that doesn't mean that can change so that's a that's a piece that a piece of action that I can take based upon you know your urging.
00:34:17.730 --> 00:34:18.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The exactly and.
00:34:18.930 --> 00:34:28.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And and The thing is, and I want people to be clear that when we talk about who's missing from those spaces and being more inclusive we're still talking about.
00:34:28.650 --> 00:34:35.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: People who are qualified to do the job because I have heard that whole conversation, those are you talking about affirmative action know.
00:34:36.060 --> 00:34:44.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: People are in the position because they're qualified to do it, but when we don't notice what we don't notice and what we don't know.
00:34:44.700 --> 00:34:48.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Then we don't realize that we're we're excluding some people.
00:34:48.720 --> 00:35:03.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Based on their color sometimes and we're not even aware of it, because we're looking at sameness we might automatically say, oh no they're not the right person you're not maybe not doing it consciously but it's an on conscious way and.
00:35:03.450 --> 00:35:14.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I appreciate you talking about ways in which you can be more inclusive The other thing that I think is really important game, and this is for you and everybody else out there is that.
00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:29.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, people of color are used to going into white spaces and looking at books that are not specifically written, for us, but we know that we can benefit from those books, because hey we all need a financial advisor, do we not.
00:35:30.660 --> 00:35:42.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It is really important to me as a person of color when I see individuals who use a language or make reference to something.
00:35:43.170 --> 00:35:50.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That they know, based on their experience connecting with people of color and i'll say oh wait a minute they get me.
00:35:51.720 --> 00:36:03.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right so it's like I probably have used this example on here before, but it's like when I went to my doctor and my doctor could not understand why I was protesting why I was at a protest.
00:36:04.620 --> 00:36:14.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: While Kobe was going on that's all she cared about was you are exposing yourself to cove it and she couldn't hear.
00:36:15.600 --> 00:36:26.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: My own racial pandemic that I was said and that made a difference to me and it actually has changed a little bit she's still my doctor she's been a doctor for 20 years.
00:36:26.820 --> 00:36:41.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But it is actually changed a little bit of my feeling like well, can I tell her if there's something going on with me that I feel like is related to race that's contributing to my health and that's a very serious question.
00:36:43.140 --> 00:36:49.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So you're not a doctor, but you're a financial planner so when interacting with people of color.
00:36:50.370 --> 00:37:05.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who might say we'll look it's important for me to reach back to my community and give money to my Community or to my family and you say you don't have the money to do that it's important to understand the dynamics that may be at play.
00:37:06.660 --> 00:37:11.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And i'm not saying that that isn't good advice, because it is good advice, but at the same time, to know.
00:37:12.510 --> 00:37:30.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What it means to a person of color may be significant for a client so anyway, I would love to continue talking more, but you and I can talk offline about a lot of this stuff but I from your perspective there's something that you have noticed that you've told me about.
00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:44.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And that is the way first nation, people are treated in South Dakota so talk to me a little bit about what you're noticing now in terms of just the racial dynamics.
00:37:46.110 --> 00:37:53.820 Gabe Nelson: Well, in, and I am not an expert i'm just going based on observation you know I grew up in iowa I went to South Dakota State University.
00:37:54.600 --> 00:38:05.550 Gabe Nelson: You know, so I show up on campus 18 years of age i'm you know, on the football team and i'm meeting people all over campus and i'm starting to learn through people who.
00:38:06.270 --> 00:38:19.830 Gabe Nelson: lived somewhat close to the reservations because there's a few reservations in the state of South Dakota and just over my time of seeing that all the way from college to today It just seems like a.
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:30.090 Gabe Nelson: It seems like a group of people that have been just marginalized I mean all the way from the very time that you know the settlers came over you know the the.
00:38:30.990 --> 00:38:42.060 Gabe Nelson: People came over from from England to take over, you know, to take over the United States It just seems like they just said, all right we're just going to keep pushing you guys away and just keep pushing you away and.
00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:52.950 Gabe Nelson: You know so, then they put them on the they put you know I call I call the native Americans that they you said first nation never heard that I like that I like the way that's put.
00:38:53.730 --> 00:39:02.310 Gabe Nelson: But put them on reservations and kind of just said here, get out of the way we're going to take over and do our thing, and it seems like in South Dakota.
00:39:02.970 --> 00:39:15.330 Gabe Nelson: It seems like they are more oppressed than other people of color to me, is it seems like there, there are people without an identity almost is the way I see it.
00:39:15.810 --> 00:39:31.620 Gabe Nelson: And so over my time of living in South Dakota which is now basically 26 years of being married plus another you know five years of college so 31 years i've been in this in the state It just seems like they've been marginalized and set aside and.
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:46.200 Gabe Nelson: Almost not even paid attention to in tell it's time that you'll see on the news protests for like the keystone pipeline or you'll see protests for someone building something on a burial ground.
00:39:47.910 --> 00:39:50.490 Gabe Nelson: And so it's.
00:39:51.600 --> 00:39:56.760 Gabe Nelson: it's it's an interesting dilemma that you see, and so, when you and I were talking.
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:02.520 Gabe Nelson: About you know me coming on the show and and having this conversation.
00:40:04.710 --> 00:40:17.010 Gabe Nelson: It just made me think of that how that era that culture of that group of people has been oppressed, especially you know, in the in the state of South Dakota and other states that have reservations as well.
00:40:18.030 --> 00:40:22.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and gave actually, that is the history because they were here first.
00:40:23.250 --> 00:40:34.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And then Columbus discovered America so absolutely they've been pushed out, I began my first episode of dismantle racism, with a woman who's an indigenous.
00:40:36.060 --> 00:40:49.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And she she talked about you know the genocide to this country and the atrocities, I mean to first nation people and so really the root of racism.
00:40:49.980 --> 00:41:06.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: began with that whole process and, in fact, they are people with it and identity is just that folks choose to ignore that identity folks choose to build over their burial grounds and they were pushed out.
00:41:06.660 --> 00:41:17.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Of the areas, so when we talk about waking up to white privilege and we talked about waking up to racism, it really means going back in our history.
00:41:18.120 --> 00:41:29.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And that's what it means going back to see how, first and foremost that race is a social construct doesn't even exist we created it not we.
00:41:30.510 --> 00:41:50.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: white people created it let's be very clear about that, and so it is important when we are waking up is to go back take a look at our history and really looked at how some folks have been benefited from those atrocities that have happened and others have not so.
00:41:51.990 --> 00:42:01.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to just continue to encourage you and all of our listeners to think about how do I become more aware.
00:42:02.610 --> 00:42:15.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of racism in this country, and what do I want to do about it that's really the question and i'm not saying that everybody has to be out here protesting in the street, you know holding up your black power.
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:27.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sign, but what I would want to do is to challenge you to say how can I began to have the conversations more so we're going to have to take another break and.
00:42:28.770 --> 00:42:38.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'd love for you to talk about whether you're willing to even start having those conversations with anybody, other than you know I know you're having them with your daughters and that's a good place to start.
00:42:39.540 --> 00:42:50.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Are you willing to have them with other folks so we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back i'd love to hear your answer to that this is dismantle racism we'll be right back.
00:45:25.290 --> 00:45:36.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with dismantle racism before our break I was talking with GABE about ways in which he can begin to have this conversation.
00:45:37.230 --> 00:45:49.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: on race or whether he was willing to have a conversation on race with his friends colleagues kind of parts and so GABE i'm ready to hear your answer, are you ready to branch out there and begin this discussion.
00:45:51.420 --> 00:45:56.910 Gabe Nelson: Of course I, it would be like a total waste of the last hour, which is not a you know.
00:45:57.990 --> 00:46:01.500 Gabe Nelson: Not part of how I operate so, but the answer is yes.
00:46:02.520 --> 00:46:11.880 Gabe Nelson: You know i've got i've got some close friends that we can have the conversation with my my rockstar assistant Christina is like hey you need to start, you need to start.
00:46:12.270 --> 00:46:23.370 Gabe Nelson: Bringing some more people of color on your show you need to you need to start to show this more in your in your business and your practice, and so, as well as my daughters, and so I.
00:46:24.120 --> 00:46:35.430 Gabe Nelson: yeah I am going to make that commitment, oh i've got some great friends that i'll be seeing this evening, as well as this weekend and we'll we'll we'll see where that conversation goes.
00:46:35.520 --> 00:46:45.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes, and I want to tell you I appreciate you coming on the show, because you didn't know exactly what questions, I would ask you, at all and.
00:46:45.570 --> 00:47:00.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It takes a lot to be able to say i'm going to step into the conversation, but it takes even more to stay steady in the conversation, and then the actions, because it's not going to be easy.
00:47:01.560 --> 00:47:09.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because, just like you were uncomfortable when your daughter said, you know white privilege you better believe that other folks are going to be like gave what are you talking about.
00:47:12.090 --> 00:47:20.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because they will say if your counterparts will say I worked really hard for everything that I have.
00:47:20.790 --> 00:47:31.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so it's going to be important for you to say yes, you did work really hard for what you have, but you started out with an advantage that other folks don't have and so.
00:47:32.580 --> 00:47:42.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The charge will be to stay engaged in this conversation when it becomes uncomfortable and it will become uncomfortable and.
00:47:43.500 --> 00:47:46.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: One of the things that I often asked my clients.
00:47:47.430 --> 00:48:04.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To think about and I won't ask you to answer this unless you feel like you want to, but I asked my clients and the people who engage in the work on dismantling racism, I asked them to think about what are you willing to sacrifice, because sometimes when we have these discussions.
00:48:05.730 --> 00:48:15.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We sacrifice our time we sacrifice friendships we sacrifice business and to engage in this practice to make this world a better place.
00:48:16.890 --> 00:48:27.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We often lose something so I want to to just while give you a moment, if you feel like you want to ask answer you're certainly welcome to I don't want to feel like you can't.
00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:33.450 Gabe Nelson: Know i'll let you i'll let you carry on I gotta let that one marinate for a.
00:48:33.450 --> 00:48:38.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: While well, I thought so but I want to be, you know respectful of.
00:48:38.850 --> 00:48:39.210 Gabe Nelson: You might.
00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:42.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: have some fun things, but I want to go back to something that.
00:48:44.040 --> 00:48:48.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You said very early on in the show about you're.
00:48:49.560 --> 00:49:03.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: going to church on a regular basis, and because I happen to be in a denomination that's predominantly a white denomination I hear this conversation from my fellow clergy around.
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:10.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The things that are preached in church and it seems like race isn't one of the things that.
00:49:11.670 --> 00:49:23.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: they're that clergy feels comfortable preaching about particularly to an affluent group of people so talk to me a little bit about how do you reconcile.
00:49:25.350 --> 00:49:32.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Being spiritually connected with a source that's greater than yourself that you that you have this practice with.
00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:52.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and not be able to talk about race in church or not be able to really think about the least of these since that's what your spiritual practice with teach you, but yet out in the world there's the least of these can you do you have any thoughts about that how you reconcile that.
00:49:56.910 --> 00:49:58.170 Gabe Nelson: Just click on that a little bit.
00:49:58.770 --> 00:49:59.160 huh.
00:50:00.870 --> 00:50:11.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And that's fine to do gay by know I could throw out those those things, but I want you to think about it, because if we are going to live.
00:50:13.140 --> 00:50:25.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What we say we believe, if we're going to live the values that we say that we believe, then, we have to be thinking about the least of these and the least of these is not the wealthy.
00:50:26.040 --> 00:50:32.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: person out here is not that we don't think about them, because there are some things that they need help with but.
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:49.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think that when we say that we have these values of caring about other folks, we have to care about impoverished individuals and those people who are not being adequately educated those people who.
00:50:51.570 --> 00:51:04.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: don't have good food in their in their environments, I was talking with this gentleman who wanted to comment to the the church that I pastor who wanted to come in and talk about.
00:51:05.370 --> 00:51:22.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Eating good foods and teaching folks how to cook and to do all of those things, and so, as we talked more and more about his plan he had no clue that the foods that people receive in grocery stores in.
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:42.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: depressed areas that food is different than what people receive in the area that may be middle class, or even upper middle class, he had no concept of that, but yet he wanted to come in and teach kids who are impoverished about eating healthy.
00:51:44.520 --> 00:52:00.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This is what I mean about being awakened to racism and then equities and societies we can't help if we don't know the proper ways in which to help, but so thank you for.
00:52:01.200 --> 00:52:10.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, saying that you have to kind of think about that so it's got a few things to think about gate I really just want to just thank you for.
00:52:12.450 --> 00:52:28.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: being willing to put yourself out there, for you know the listeners to hear and and to hear that even the discomfort even as we're talking there may be a bit of discomfort like wow you know there's a live for me to think about wondering, though, if you.
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:44.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If you have any thoughts any further thoughts about how we can dismantle racism from your standpoint just based on the conversations we've had today are there some ways in which you can think about.
00:52:46.020 --> 00:52:51.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How, you and your counterparts could help to dismantle racism.
00:52:59.220 --> 00:53:00.150 Gabe Nelson: I think.
00:53:02.520 --> 00:53:08.400 Gabe Nelson: The things that I can do other than having conversations the things that I can do is is.
00:53:11.010 --> 00:53:27.870 Gabe Nelson: I can employ other contractors, I can try to make sure that I open up the span like when I bring another person in you know that I contract with, who is a small business owner, I can help them.
00:53:29.070 --> 00:53:39.810 Gabe Nelson: improve their situation by employing them and paying them well and giving that opportunity that's really what I have like quick control over.
00:53:40.110 --> 00:53:51.300 Gabe Nelson: And so I would, I would say that's an area that someone like me can step in and do i'm not a board person, you could hold a gun to my head and I will not go on a board I hate boards.
00:53:52.230 --> 00:53:56.730 Gabe Nelson: It is the, in my opinion, it is the biggest waste of time for most people.
00:53:57.240 --> 00:54:04.440 Gabe Nelson: You go in and you never get anything done but you sit around talk so i'm not a board person that's going to go on and do that, but what I can do is I can speak with.
00:54:04.950 --> 00:54:18.240 Gabe Nelson: With my money to employ someone and put money in their lives and give them the opportunity to improve their families, which then brings that family up and and helps them.
00:54:18.930 --> 00:54:30.300 Gabe Nelson: That have better food have access to advice, have access to opportunities to then take their family up another level, because that's really what we're trying to do.
00:54:30.630 --> 00:54:39.600 Gabe Nelson: we're trying to make the world a better place for our kids ourselves, but also for our kids and raise them up, and so what I can do that I have control over is that.
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:50.460 Gabe Nelson: So hopefully that's what you're looking for, but that's what I can do, because that's what I have control over I don't have control over the board.
00:54:52.470 --> 00:54:59.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I would say that you probably have more control over what other things as well, like even in the day to day.
00:54:59.370 --> 00:55:03.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Even what you notice that's happening with the first nation, people are native American people.
00:55:04.110 --> 00:55:10.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You can you can raise your voice in the area that you're in you can raise your voice, because now we were virtual.
00:55:11.190 --> 00:55:23.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You can raise your voice in multiple ways, and I know that you're also doing that, with your podcast a bit we didn't shy away from talking about race, even as it relates to funny on your your show.
00:55:24.690 --> 00:55:36.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so there are multiple ways and so i'll just keep encouraging you and our listeners to find ways in which you can engage in dismantling racism that are.
00:55:38.370 --> 00:55:55.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Connected with who you are your personality and accessory you don't have to be out marching in the streets, there are lots of ways we can dismantle racism so in our last couple of minutes GABE, can you tell people, how can they be in touch with you.
00:55:56.700 --> 00:56:04.320 Gabe Nelson: The easiest way to get in touch with me is to go to my website GABE Nelson financial COM, everything is there, helps you understand, who I am.
00:56:05.220 --> 00:56:13.410 Gabe Nelson: What i'm all about, but it also gets you then access and links to where my podcast is and my podcast is all about helping.
00:56:13.830 --> 00:56:35.310 Gabe Nelson: solo printers solo business owners master their finances, so they can create the life they want and it's literally a how to guide every single week and you are on one of the episodes talking about how to dismantle racism and have a better business and life and a better world.
00:56:35.700 --> 00:56:41.820 Gabe Nelson: So that's the best way to find me go to my podcast solo printer money COM or my website gave Nelson financial COM.
00:56:42.390 --> 00:56:51.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you GABE and I know that there'll be able to access your book when it comes out in a few months, as well as we do need to know how to be financially.
00:56:52.170 --> 00:57:06.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: fit as well, I want to thank you again for being my guest today and I want to thank all of our listeners out there for listening in to dismantle racism, I encourage you to stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam liebowitz and.
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:16.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: learn how to walk through life with the greatest ease and joy be well being cursed and be blessed will see you next time.