Dismantle Racism with Rev. Dr. TLC

Thursday, August 5, 2021
Facebook Live Video from 2021/08/05 - The Education of Black and Brown Students

Facebook Live Video from 2021/08/05 - The Education of Black and Brown Students


2021/08/05 - The Education of Black and Brown Students

[NEW EPISODE] The Education of Black and Brown Students

Educational disparities are not a surprise to any of our listeners. What might be a surprise to some are the obstacles that many face. Not only underfunded schools and poor understanding of what it means to work with BIPOC children but the day to day assault and microaggressions that come from the school system itself.

Join Rev. Dr. TLC and her guest, Dr. Marilyn Easter, as they discuss racial challenges for black and brown students such as being told they are not college material.

Dr. Easter discusses her book Resilience: Bravery in the Face of Racism, Corruption, and Privilege in the Halls of Academia. In it she reveals how these challenges start very early on for students of color and journey throughout their academic career. Sadly, it does not stop after graduation.

Dr. Easter also provides insight into the plight of BIPOC faculty on the road to tenure. We hope you'll join us.

Tune in for this important conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Terrlyn starts the show with breathing exercises. She introduces her guest, Dr. Marilyn Easter. Dr. E, as she’s known to some, has a plethora of honors and awards. She is the founder of Goal Program which was designed to build a community and support systems for minority students. Dr. E talks about how she uses her strong belief in God and herself as a way to be one with the sacred and divine. Before the break Dr. E discusses her book, Resilience: Bravery in the Face of Racism, Corruption, and Privilege in the halls of Academia. She goes into detail about the main character Emma and how to overcome the micro aggression in her life.

Segment 2

After the break, Dr. E breaks down some of the microaggressions that are seen in the education system. She mentions examples; having minority students or students of color sit in the back because you believe they don’t want to be there, Not calling on the student that consistently raises their hand, A professor calling on a student, student of color specifically, knowing they don’t have the answer to “wake the student up” or to prove they should have studied harder are all aggressive tactics. Dr. E talks about first generation students that deal with racism in the classroom. She mentions how many of those students may not have families that can help them do the work in college. Parents depend on a system to help their black child but the system is against them. She also talks about the obstacles many students of color face in their personal life that can affect how they retain the material. Before the break, Terrlyn and Dr. E made the connection back to Dr. E’s book and the main character, Emma, relates to underrepresented students of color.

Segment 3

After the break, Dr. E continues to share her experience as a black business professor and how the micro aggressions have affected her students. She talks about being a professor for over 30 years and how the expectation for students of color is consistently low. Dr. E talks about her colleagues having low standards for students of color and candidly engaging in biased conversation about those students. Dr. E talks candidly about her colleagues' biases because “it’s real. She does everything she can to call it out, point it out, do something about it. Terrlyn then shifts the conversation to Dr. E’s background. She talks about Dr. E being the first female black professor at her college in 97+ years, and how the experience has not been easy for her.

Segment 4

After the break, Terrlyn and Dr. E discussed a little more on the lack of representation in the academic community. Dr. E also mentions how it took 20 years of getting denied to finally make it on the committee to recruit professors.  

Towards the end of the segment Dr. E gives her tip for professors to uplift students. She advises professors to look around the world and see the negativity and find a way to have a positive imprint on ALL students. Professors  need to get back to the basics and do what they pledged to do, educate and not leave any student behind. Make sure all your students are valued. Encourage children and  let them know they have a support system. Dr. E advises students to talk to their counselors and teachers not to depend on people to hand it to you, demand what you want.


00:00:31.590 --> 00:00:45.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Welcome to dismantle racism, where our goal is to uncover dismantle and eradicate racism and create a world where racial equity is the norm i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc.

00:00:46.290 --> 00:01:01.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are going to be talking about the education of black and brown communities and, as always, I want to begin the show by inviting us into a sacred time where we do some breathing.

00:01:02.610 --> 00:01:25.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just to calm us as we have this discussion on race which can sometimes create a bit of anxiety and folks and on ease, and so I just want us to breathe, and so, if you will take a deep breath in and breathe, then I am enough.

00:01:26.490 --> 00:01:31.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and breathe out any words that have hurt you in the past.

00:01:33.510 --> 00:01:35.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in acceptance.

00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:39.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe out ignorance.

00:01:41.850 --> 00:01:46.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take a deep breath in and breathe in faith.

00:01:48.090 --> 00:01:50.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe out breathe out.

00:01:51.930 --> 00:01:54.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in hope.

00:01:55.620 --> 00:01:58.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and breathe out hopelessness.

00:01:59.670 --> 00:02:11.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now I want you to take a really big breath in, and I want you to breathe in I am power strength and love.

00:02:13.470 --> 00:02:23.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And this time I want you to breathe out other people's expectations of who they believe you should be.

00:02:26.340 --> 00:02:28.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Take a very deep breath in.

00:02:29.850 --> 00:02:30.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and science.

00:02:34.830 --> 00:02:49.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Educational disparities are not a surprise to any of our listeners i'm sure we've seen the data as it relates to black and brown students and the disparities that exist between why students.

00:02:50.970 --> 00:03:04.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What we might be surprised about are some of the obstacles that many of our black and brown students face that help to explain some of the educational disparities that exist.

00:03:05.700 --> 00:03:10.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, not only do we take a look at underfunded schools and.

00:03:11.610 --> 00:03:21.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Some teachers and administrators poor understanding of what it means to educate black indigenous people of color.

00:03:22.470 --> 00:03:31.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we must also take a look at the day to day assault and micro aggressions that come from the school system itself.

00:03:31.890 --> 00:03:47.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The very things that people are doing that they are unaware of that they're doing that perpetuate racism, and it also contributes to a student's ability to find themselves as being worthy.

00:03:48.570 --> 00:04:01.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Of the education or perhaps believing that they could go on to have something greater in life, and they have because you see education isn't just about what we learn in school.

00:04:02.310 --> 00:04:10.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But as a psychologist, I can tell you what we say to our students matters and it impacts their ability to learn.

00:04:11.160 --> 00:04:16.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And it also gives them a sense of whether they can achieve or not achieve.

00:04:17.730 --> 00:04:33.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So it's very complex, so my guest today will share a bit of her experiences as a child growing up, but also she will share some of her experiences as she sought to become a tenured Professor.

00:04:34.020 --> 00:04:41.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because the problems that we experience in elementary school middle school high school they're there in College as well.

00:04:42.300 --> 00:04:52.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And even as we engage in our work in the Academy for people of color so i'm delighted today to have Dr Marilyn Easter.

00:04:53.520 --> 00:05:05.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As my guest Dr E, as she has known to some she is a professor in the marketing and business analytics department in the college of business at San Jose State University.

00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:16.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: She has a plethora of awards and honors and i'm not going to go through and read them all to you, but I invite you to look her up after this show.

00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:23.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But one thing I do want to mention is that she is the founder of the goal Program.

00:05:23.580 --> 00:05:36.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that's generation of aspirational leaders, which is designed to build Community curriculum and career for the underrepresented minority students at s J sq.

00:05:37.290 --> 00:05:52.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And today, she is going to be sharing so many things with us that are i'm sure are related to her goal programming may not talk about that, in particular, but related to underrepresented students, how do we educate students, how do we.

00:05:52.770 --> 00:06:00.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: educate not just based on academics, but educate in a way that we inspire them to greatness.

00:06:01.200 --> 00:06:13.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I also want to share with you that she is the author of resilience bravery and the face of racism, corruption and privilege and the halls of the Academy.

00:06:16.380 --> 00:06:23.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Dr E welcome welcome welcome to the show today i'm so delighted to have you with me.

00:06:24.270 --> 00:06:24.810 Marilyn Easter: Thank you.

00:06:25.890 --> 00:06:33.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, Dr E, I always love to start my show out talking about our connections with the sacred, because for me.

00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:43.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I believe that there are three important important relationships, the one that we have with the sacred the one we have with ourselves and the one that we have with other people.

00:06:43.980 --> 00:06:56.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I define our ability to get to that point of greatness is to be able to tap into our sacred intelligence and so for me that begins with this relationship with the sacred.

00:06:57.690 --> 00:07:08.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Can you tell me a bit about your relationship with the sacred, however, you define that how that sacred might ground you in the work that you do.

00:07:08.940 --> 00:07:22.260 Marilyn Easter: Thank you so much for the question and i'll just say this is that my strong belief in God that was instilled in me as a child still lives within me as an adult.

00:07:22.710 --> 00:07:39.630 Marilyn Easter: And if it wasn't for that belief that I have in God and that belief in myself, and that is my mother always told me, you know to pray and and to know why i'm praying and not to pray for things but to pray for strength.

00:07:39.960 --> 00:07:41.040 Marilyn Easter: to pray that.

00:07:41.340 --> 00:07:52.770 Marilyn Easter: It when I go through trials and tribulations in life that i'm not alone if she's not there or other people aren't there i'm not alone that there is something in me and that is.

00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:59.250 Marilyn Easter: My God that will steer me down the right path and that's something that i've never parted from.

00:07:59.880 --> 00:08:07.410 Marilyn Easter: In my life and that sacred place is where I go every single day in the morning, noon and night throughout the day if i'm.

00:08:07.740 --> 00:08:15.630 Marilyn Easter: If i'm driving in my car and i'm sitting at a stoplight i'm meditating i'm praying because I realized that in my skin.

00:08:15.990 --> 00:08:27.900 Marilyn Easter: Things are not going to be as easy as it may be for someone else, and so I I always defer to my sacred and one last thing about that, before I leave my house.

00:08:28.380 --> 00:08:39.180 Marilyn Easter: I pray with my husband and we have a little altar and then we pray we read scriptures to get us boosted and ready to deal with this world because we don't know what we're going to walk.

00:08:39.570 --> 00:08:47.640 Marilyn Easter: into what we're going to walk into once we leave our House and so that's what we do on a day to day basis as a family.

00:08:48.390 --> 00:08:54.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you, thank you for sharing that but, as you were talking what it made me think about is.

00:08:56.010 --> 00:09:02.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The work that we do, because you say in the skin that you're in, and I think about the work that that.

00:09:02.730 --> 00:09:11.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, culturally and as African Americans that we've done around dismantling racism, for many of us.

00:09:11.700 --> 00:09:18.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That backdrop has been that sacred connection and when you think about historically the civil rights movement.

00:09:18.420 --> 00:09:29.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It started out of churches, you know we would go to those church places and hold meetings and that's why we knew some of the things that were going to happen in the Community before anybody else did.

00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:41.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I appreciate you, you know talking about your grounding in that, and how it helps you to get through some of those experiences that I know that you've had racially because.

00:09:42.990 --> 00:09:51.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know we've had an opportunity to kind of talk about those things so i'd like to to kind of move into that just a little bit um.

00:09:51.810 --> 00:10:07.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know your book resilience is a wonderful wonderful book and you tell the story of a character named Emma and you highlight in this journey really from the age of five on up.

00:10:08.520 --> 00:10:13.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: situate your book for us help us to understand the context of the book.

00:10:14.130 --> 00:10:29.880 Marilyn Easter: Okay well you know, despite you mentioned about the civil civil rights movement, but despite the civil rights movement and the emancipation of the slaves back in the 1800s or whatever we're still living in.

00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:48.540 Marilyn Easter: similar conditions back from back then simply because racism still exists in the hearts and the habits of individuals and they're also seen in the institutions, so when I wrote the Book of resilience racism.

00:10:49.980 --> 00:10:54.810 Marilyn Easter: resilience bravery, in the face of racism, corruption and.

00:10:55.260 --> 00:11:07.320 Marilyn Easter: In privilege in the halls of academia, I wrote it with the lenses of the emma's out there, there are people like me that have had experiences as a little girl, where she.

00:11:07.680 --> 00:11:16.680 Marilyn Easter: is going to kindergarten and she's thinking that you know she's the only little black girl in the classroom and there's a black boy in the classroom but it's all these white kids in the class.

00:11:16.920 --> 00:11:25.110 Marilyn Easter: And there's Emma thinking that I want to do, like the other kids and when it's time to play the musical instrument that most kindergarteners.

00:11:25.410 --> 00:11:33.690 Marilyn Easter: play or indulgent Emma is passed over time and time and time again by her Kirk her kindergarten teacher.

00:11:34.140 --> 00:11:45.750 Marilyn Easter: And when Emma goes to the teacher and she you know she raises her hand like I want to play, I want to play an instrument just give me anything and there's a plea in her heart just pick me one time and i'd be happy.

00:11:46.290 --> 00:11:56.580 Marilyn Easter: The teacher never did, and so, when Emma goes to the teacher and then, as the teacher, will you know I want to play an instrument and, by the way, I want to be a teacher, just like you, because it was thought.

00:11:56.820 --> 00:12:01.500 Marilyn Easter: That the teacher was having a lot of fun and so are the kids the teacher told her.

00:12:01.830 --> 00:12:17.280 Marilyn Easter: i'm sorry but people like you can't be teachers and so Emma starts out as a five year old having problems, but she does not recognize race is because that's not on her radar at the time, Emma later, as she grows up.

00:12:18.060 --> 00:12:25.800 Marilyn Easter: She ends up in jail and the reasons why Emma ends up in jail is that her mother was suffering from a debilitating.

00:12:26.910 --> 00:12:36.630 Marilyn Easter: A headache she later found that she had a blood clot in her brain, but she was suffering from a debilitating headache the police officers.

00:12:36.870 --> 00:12:48.330 Marilyn Easter: came to the mother's house and question or because a car was involved in an accident, they did police officers, then asked her to come downtown so they can do some questioning.

00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:56.580 Marilyn Easter: And so, Emma escorts her mother downtown but because her mother wasn't walking fast enough when they were standing.

00:12:56.790 --> 00:13:12.540 Marilyn Easter: In front of the elevator getting ready to go in a police officer pushes her shutter to the ground, the mother screens and Emma does something she kicks the officer and ends up in jail and so that's another incident that happened to him and.

00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:19.170 Marilyn Easter: The other with by the time she goes to high school she was yanked out of her black school, this is the blessing time.

00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:30.300 Marilyn Easter: Where she's yanked out of a black school and now she's been integrated into a white school and the kids would stand around like you don't belong here and the counselors were telling her.

00:13:30.570 --> 00:13:37.530 Marilyn Easter: You don't belong in college either so find something else to do with your life, and so it just time after time again.

00:13:38.040 --> 00:13:53.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes, and and and what you're saying to me is that you've gone from her five year old to really to her high school that when our kids are educated, they start getting the message very early on that you're different.

00:13:54.240 --> 00:14:03.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you're the other and that something's you can have an other things, you cannot you can sit here in this classroom, but you will never.

00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:08.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: be one of us, you will never be one of the people who will go to the next level.

00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:20.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so, and there, and so you talked about some really obvious ways for that to happen, but there are also subtle ways as well, and I do want to encourage people to get your book because you're only telling us.

00:14:21.150 --> 00:14:36.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A little bit of it and so so we're thankful for that, but we actually have to take a really quick break, and so we will be right back with our guest today, Dr E Dr Maryland Easter i'm your host at dismantle racism we'll be right back.

00:16:52.860 --> 00:17:06.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: factory, as you were talking welcome back everybody, as you were talking about the incidence you describe of Emma from a five year old to a high school students.

00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:19.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I actually thought of some incidents that have happened with my children, I thought of incidents that happened when I also worked in a public school system, and I know from reading the book, one of the things.

00:17:19.710 --> 00:17:33.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That mo was told when she was getting ready to go to college that she wasn't college material, and I remember that happening to a high school student in the school that I worked with when I.

00:17:34.230 --> 00:17:46.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, saw her one day and I asked her why she was walking the halls and and I said, you should be in class learning and she said, my teacher said I wasn't college material talk to me about your.

00:17:47.460 --> 00:18:00.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Experiences perhaps with some of the students or as you wrote about mo what does that do to a child, when they hear you're not college material and how do they get past it.

00:18:01.800 --> 00:18:12.720 Marilyn Easter: You know it's a it's a dream crusher for a teacher or Professor to tell a child that you're not college material, when in fact.

00:18:13.470 --> 00:18:22.050 Marilyn Easter: When the child at home mom and dad or grandma grandpa is saying we want you to go to college you'll be the first one to go to college you'll make us proud.

00:18:22.320 --> 00:18:32.370 Marilyn Easter: So there's a tremendous amount of stress that's placed on a child, when you have family that's encouraging you and yet you walk into a.

00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:42.660 Marilyn Easter: Building or an institution or a classroom where you're being discouraged, the whole time it's a dream crusher a dream killer, let me say this.

00:18:42.990 --> 00:18:53.100 Marilyn Easter: i've had so many students i've been teaching for 37 years and I, if I had a penny for every student that's come into my office a black student.

00:18:53.340 --> 00:19:03.870 Marilyn Easter: close the door and just ball just it just in tears saying I can't do this I there's no way I can get through this is because they are dealing with the racism.

00:19:04.110 --> 00:19:09.810 Marilyn Easter: Whether it's it's implicit whether it's explicit, whether it is subtle I mean they are.

00:19:10.080 --> 00:19:20.130 Marilyn Easter: picking up on all these things and they're treated just like Emma was treated but unlike Emma when she was young, she didn't know the difference of anything she just still going on.

00:19:20.340 --> 00:19:27.000 Marilyn Easter: going along and and someone else has to tell her what she's experiencing, but these kids that I deal with.

00:19:27.270 --> 00:19:41.910 Marilyn Easter: They know what they're experiencing and then they find themselves coming to me for advice that motherly advice or that it advice or whatever, and I have to always tell them the positive things but I never tell them.

00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:50.400 Marilyn Easter: I to know what you're going through, because I am going through the same thing, but at a different level as a professor.

00:19:50.940 --> 00:19:53.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: um that's that that is.

00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:09.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really powerful what you're saying in terms of the students finding someone who looks like them that they're able to have a conversation with, but I want to just go back to something a little bit in terms of.

00:20:09.660 --> 00:20:23.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You made a statement that they're experiencing racism subtle racism and maybe some overt could you talk a little bit about or give us some examples of the micro aggressions.

00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:31.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That students experience in class, because sometimes they may own some of this thing if it's about their.

00:20:31.650 --> 00:20:50.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: their inability to do something they may think oh i'm not good enough like you just said so talk to us about the micro aggressions because I would imagine that some of our listeners are unaware of some of the things that they do or say that contribute to students feeling less than.

00:20:51.420 --> 00:21:00.810 Marilyn Easter: Some of the micro aggressions on can be where students are positioned in the classroom like there are some professors that will have.

00:21:01.290 --> 00:21:12.450 Marilyn Easter: The black students or students of color sit in the back, is because there's this whole idea that well they don't want to really be here, anyway, so let's just reserve the front seats for.

00:21:12.870 --> 00:21:22.740 Marilyn Easter: Certain students and I seen that happen and i'm like oh my gosh I can't believe this others would be students raising their hands and not getting called it.

00:21:23.010 --> 00:21:23.580 Marilyn Easter: Is because.

00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:42.810 Marilyn Easter: If you raise your hand that is an indicator that you know you got a problem you know you're just going to ask some dumb question or whatever it may be, as opposed to that student has something to contribute to the conversation within the classroom or it could be something as as.

00:21:43.890 --> 00:21:55.290 Marilyn Easter: mundane as a professor, a calling on a black student, for example, knowing that he or she may not have the answer to a question that.

00:21:55.950 --> 00:22:01.470 Marilyn Easter: That they're that they're posing and that's the kind of weight that student up or either to.

00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:10.230 Marilyn Easter: Make the students feel like hey you know what you should read that that chapter, because that leads into something more aggressive or more.

00:22:10.530 --> 00:22:22.920 Marilyn Easter: Out there or whatever, so I seen so much happen, but I think more importantly, when our students of color contacts to say a white professor and the white Professor.

00:22:23.250 --> 00:22:34.020 Marilyn Easter: doesn't have time to talk to them and i've heard these kinds of complaints over and over and over and i'll tell you i've had students taking.

00:22:34.800 --> 00:22:45.750 Marilyn Easter: Statistics classes, for example, now i'm not a stats professor, but they come to me asking me to help them solve their problems and i'm like no that's not my lane I don't want to go there.

00:22:46.050 --> 00:22:52.230 Marilyn Easter: And I wonder it say well why can't you go to your Professor well my professors always busy or well my Professor says.

00:22:52.470 --> 00:23:08.910 Marilyn Easter: He doesn't have time or she doesn't have time, those are micro aggressions that I see that that screams at me, but the students really don't know what they're dealing with sometimes and what's really sad is that the Professor may not know what they're doing it.

00:23:09.270 --> 00:23:15.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, you when you say they may not know what they're doing, you may they may not be aware that there are.

00:23:16.020 --> 00:23:24.840 Marilyn Easter: They made a beat may not be aware that what they're doing is micro aggression related.

00:23:25.230 --> 00:23:26.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes, okay.

00:23:26.370 --> 00:23:28.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And then I was actually yeah.

00:23:28.770 --> 00:23:48.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I was, I was thinking that when you were talking that about this unintentional racism that happens and that's because of an implicit biases so a person may not realize i'm not calling on you, because you know you're black but it's just what what happens.

00:23:50.490 --> 00:23:55.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When we talked you know, prior to the show and you've kind of hinted at it a little bit.

00:23:56.280 --> 00:24:06.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about these first Generation Students so there's already something that comes with being a first generation student for some students who are black and Brown.

00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:19.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: talk to me a little bit about that first generation student, coupled with the racism, what are some of their experiences based on your years of teaching.

00:24:20.070 --> 00:24:23.250 Marilyn Easter: Okay, many students may not have.

00:24:24.090 --> 00:24:45.090 Marilyn Easter: Families that I can help them do the work in college and so there's the there's the child going to college and you know, the first one going to college, but mom dad grandma whoever lives in that household who may be in a household may not have a clue as to what they need to do to succeed.

00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:47.580 Marilyn Easter: And so they're depending on a system.

00:24:47.790 --> 00:24:53.910 Marilyn Easter: To help their black child make it through the system, but the system is racist.

00:24:54.210 --> 00:24:54.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: hmm.

00:24:54.780 --> 00:25:05.910 Marilyn Easter: I can't call it anything else, but what I see and as a result of that the child goes to school looking for someone to help him or her through the process and it's not there.

00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:14.280 Marilyn Easter: One thing that I have found there there's been so many students in well my my mom's in in prison or my dad's in prison or.

00:25:14.790 --> 00:25:25.110 Marilyn Easter: My mom is as passed away and I and i'm taking care of my grandmother and i'm working i'm doing all these things and there's some students that are.

00:25:25.560 --> 00:25:34.680 Marilyn Easter: That have issues with food, they just like the food it's just not there, and so they come into the classroom they say they come into my class and i'm expecting them to.

00:25:35.070 --> 00:25:46.080 Marilyn Easter: to behave a certain way and to really get the material, but if their stomach is is is screaming i'm hungry, or if they're thinking about what they got to do.

00:25:46.470 --> 00:25:56.970 Marilyn Easter: To take care of grandma that needs that insulin shot as soon as they get out of class or whatever, these are burden kinds of things that the students have to deal with when they're in the classroom.

00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:06.810 Marilyn Easter: And if they're dealing with a professor that doesn't care or doesn't know anything about the first generation students, then what will happen.

00:26:07.350 --> 00:26:13.200 Marilyn Easter: The students will seek out people like me I deal with all sorts of students come to me, I said it looks like a.

00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:27.150 Marilyn Easter: social worker written on my chest or my back is because they tell me all of their issues and their problems and then I always feel like there's something I got to do about that, which is why I created the goal program generation.

00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:39.000 Marilyn Easter: Of aspirational leaders and I wanted to instill value in the underrepresented students to let them know that they can to do it, if I can do it, they can too.

00:26:39.210 --> 00:26:40.320 Marilyn Easter: And Emma story.

00:26:40.410 --> 00:26:47.220 Marilyn Easter: there's a lot of em is out there, but Emma she was in jail so she could relate to the people being falsely accused of being in jail.

00:26:47.790 --> 00:27:02.130 Marilyn Easter: Emma with there were things taken away from her and so Emma can relate to all of our many of the problems that the students face, but she can moral chicken morsel relate to the racism.

00:27:02.520 --> 00:27:18.780 Marilyn Easter: Then faced throughout her career, all the way to becoming a full Professor she can relate to all of that, and I share a lot of what Emma has experienced I have seen and have experienced many of the same things.

00:27:19.530 --> 00:27:29.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, the book is fantastic for like painting a really good picture of how racism shows up you know, on a day to day basis and.

00:27:29.730 --> 00:27:42.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You have just said so much in those few minutes of talking about what first Generation Students experience and also first generation students who are black and brown the extra things that they experienced.

00:27:43.470 --> 00:27:50.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: From my years and a high school and also teaching at the College level, I know that some of these things.

00:27:51.090 --> 00:28:04.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know they go from high school to college, even in when teachers don't pay attention to them and high school some kids don't end up going to college or when they get to college, they are still functioning almost at that.

00:28:05.550 --> 00:28:13.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: same rate academically they may be doing well, some of the students anyway academically may be doing well, but still dealing with some of those.

00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:22.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Issues that you've been mentioned, we do have to take another break and when we come back, we will wrap that.

00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:41.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Section up because I really want to hear about some of your own obstacles, particularly as it relates to your road to becoming a tenured professor, so we will be right back with Dr Marilyn Easter on your host Reverend Dr tlc this is dismantle racism.

00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:27.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with dismantle racism today's guest is Dr Marilyn Eastern Dr E, one of the other pieces that I thought about as you were talking about what some students of color experience.

00:31:28.620 --> 00:31:45.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I have seen our black and brown students just passed along as well in high school or middle school sometimes and some of those students end up getting to college and then they're struggling with writing.

00:31:48.690 --> 00:31:52.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and part of that I believe is due to racism because.

00:31:53.940 --> 00:32:02.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: oftentimes people think that this is all that they're capable of, they are not raising the expectations of those students.

00:32:03.360 --> 00:32:10.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And they're also not giving them the services that they need, so what has been your experience as it relates to.

00:32:10.830 --> 00:32:26.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That writing is just one example, and I want to be very clear that we're not talking about every black and brown students so we're making some general statements, based on what we're talking about on today's show, we know that many of our students are.

00:32:27.300 --> 00:32:36.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: stellar students so we're not saying that even those who might struggle, a little bit in school as first generation students or.

00:32:36.630 --> 00:32:55.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who are dealing with racism they're still stellar students, so I want to be very clear that we're not making that statement, nor is this a place where we are beating up on teachers what we're trying to do with this show is to show some of the subtle ways in which racism.

00:32:56.280 --> 00:33:09.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: impacts students and the subtle ways in which people engage in racism and aren't aware of it, but if you could just speak to that a little bit about what you see with some of your students.

00:33:10.080 --> 00:33:14.970 Marilyn Easter: Okay, thank you, I like to preface this by saying that I will be speaking from.

00:33:15.450 --> 00:33:26.490 Marilyn Easter: a college of business point of view, because i've always worked in colleges of business, so it brings in a different type of student that I cannot infer on all the other.

00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:38.250 Marilyn Easter: colleges social science, engineering, you name it they're out there, nursing I won't be speaking about that because I haven't had those experiences, but in my 37 years of teaching i've.

00:33:38.610 --> 00:33:52.740 Marilyn Easter: seen a lot of students come to the College of business and the expectation is low, for them, and as far as succeeding, and the reasons why I say this, I have seen many, many times when i'm sitting in a meeting.

00:33:53.400 --> 00:34:05.880 Marilyn Easter: college wide meeting and i'm talking about years of experience doing this, where someone will say, well, we know that black people operate on CP time.

00:34:06.270 --> 00:34:15.180 Marilyn Easter: Now hearing that i'm like first of all I wanted like stop it's like excuse me, what do you mean by that, but when they're talking among themselves.

00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:31.920 Marilyn Easter: i'm invisible in a in a meeting like that they don't even see me but i'm ingesting all of this, saying well if they're saying things like that and i'm sitting there and hearing this What are they doing with those students, and so I learned that oftentimes.

00:34:33.210 --> 00:34:49.500 Marilyn Easter: Many of my own colleagues just have such a low expectation for the the people of color and i'm talking specifically about the black and brown students that we're probably not going to succeed in the first place.

00:34:49.590 --> 00:34:59.520 Marilyn Easter: And that's a real problem that rhetoric that I hear among my colleagues and i'm not ashamed to say that simply because it's real, which is why.

00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:05.640 Marilyn Easter: I stick to it and I try to do everything I can to point it out.

00:35:06.120 --> 00:35:26.010 Marilyn Easter: Call it out and then do something about it and let the students know one thing, there are resources on campus as soon as you come to campus if you're a first year first gen student you you capture those resources there's a program called LP educational opportunity Program.

00:35:27.450 --> 00:35:32.910 Marilyn Easter: So many students can benefit by that and there are so many resources they offer students.

00:35:33.540 --> 00:35:43.740 Marilyn Easter: And I tell them take advantage of the resources, you want to succeed, you want to you want to succeed for yourself your family do it and forget about what.

00:35:44.010 --> 00:35:54.810 Marilyn Easter: you're not getting in the classroom you have to demand what you want, and you got to take what you want, and you have to be very assertive about it is because I work at an institution, where.

00:35:55.290 --> 00:36:00.780 Marilyn Easter: there's over 37,000 students on that campus and i'll tell you.

00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:09.240 Marilyn Easter: When it comes down to it, our black and brown students, they get lost in the mix there's not many of our students on the campus so we have to.

00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:19.740 Marilyn Easter: Direct the students to where they need to go to get the help, but more importantly, the students have to realize, if you want it, you got to go after it no one's going to hand it to you.

00:36:20.730 --> 00:36:27.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah I so appreciate your saying that, and so I hope for our listeners today that you will take this advice and.

00:36:27.720 --> 00:36:37.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If you have a student who's full that that they will also take the advice and go and get the help they need now, I want to shift us just a little bit because emma's story.

00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:52.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is about this tenure track and I want to make sure that we have time to discuss it now you are the first and only black full professor in the college in 97 years.

00:36:53.490 --> 00:37:03.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That is phenomenal that you are, and so I know that the the tenure track was not easy for you, so if you could speak to.

00:37:03.930 --> 00:37:15.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: One speak to what your process was like and then the second thing is what is that, like, for you to be the first and only now, we might end up only having time for a quick.

00:37:15.930 --> 00:37:20.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: break, but I want to put it there, so we can make sure that we address both of those things okay.

00:37:20.310 --> 00:37:40.560 Marilyn Easter: I want to just clarify one thing i'm the first and only black female Professor there was one black male Professor but there's two of us now and he's gone he retired, but only two black professors and 97 plus years that's appalling.

00:37:41.190 --> 00:37:47.910 Marilyn Easter: And so it was not easy for me just like it wasn't easy for me i'll give you an example of.

00:37:48.360 --> 00:38:04.410 Marilyn Easter: Myself, for example, when I went up for tenure and tenure is a five year process where you get your dossier together and you do whatever you need to do to show that you're worthy of tenure in that you're stellar in every way for myself, I.

00:38:05.250 --> 00:38:19.020 Marilyn Easter: I went up for early tenure, because I had seven publications and and I had stellar of Community work I had stellar teaching evaluations and when I went to a.

00:38:19.560 --> 00:38:26.970 Marilyn Easter: Back to School party and I saw all these people that that we're going to be on the tenure committee and I walked up to one of the.

00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:41.220 Marilyn Easter: guys and I said i'm going to throw in my application for tenure this fall i'm ready to go and he looked at me and he said, I would not vote for you to have tenure, under no circumstances now we're talking about.

00:38:42.120 --> 00:38:52.020 Marilyn Easter: Never looked at my work he just told me point blank I will not vote for your tenure now that's my experience now let's talk about Emma.

00:38:52.530 --> 00:39:04.680 Marilyn Easter: Emma is denied a tenure, and by the time she was denied tenure she goes to campus and she looks for her dossier so she can collect them and maybe go back up the next year.

00:39:05.220 --> 00:39:17.610 Marilyn Easter: For 10 years but then she reads in her dossier, I hope she looks in her dossier, and she noticed a lot of pages missing, and she counts the number of pages missing because she pagination her entire.

00:39:18.030 --> 00:39:27.150 Marilyn Easter: portfolio, there was probably 1000 pages worth of documents as she was missing a significant number of pages, they were just gone.

00:39:27.390 --> 00:39:45.330 Marilyn Easter: And then other aspects in her dossier she noticed, they were just moved around in different places, but there was one place in her dossier that she read and that she was actually taken aback, and that is it Santa in her dossier, it said.

00:39:46.410 --> 00:40:05.370 Marilyn Easter: In as an anomaly for for someone to get this these many publications, she must be sleeping with the editorial board haha that person wrote it in her dossier and erased it, but the imprint of what was written was there.

00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:17.640 Marilyn Easter: And when Emma saw that she was blown away it's like How dare these people who am I dealing with how dare these people think of me in that way.

00:40:18.060 --> 00:40:30.570 Marilyn Easter: So Emma collects all of her work and she realizes that she's dealing with something more greater than just a bunch of people that are just mean spirited could it be racism.

00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:39.990 Marilyn Easter: Could it be something else, and so, those were emma's experiences and it's quite sad is because these kinds of things happened to so many different.

00:40:40.830 --> 00:40:51.210 Marilyn Easter: Women of color but particularly black women there's only 5.5% of all professors in the nation.

00:40:51.510 --> 00:41:02.490 Marilyn Easter: are black and then you can Whittle that down and say how many are tenure, how many are are full professors are wet everything it gets smaller and smaller and smaller so Emily is a unicorn.

00:41:02.970 --> 00:41:14.250 Marilyn Easter: To be able to to make it through the trajectory of something that was so abusive working at a job should not ever be abusive and tenure should not be abusive.

00:41:14.580 --> 00:41:16.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah so you know.

00:41:17.670 --> 00:41:21.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I so appreciate your book, because they are there are a.

00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:33.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Number of emma's out there, based on her experience of what happened to her, but in terms of being tenured I certainly understand what you're talking about and so.

00:41:33.510 --> 00:41:45.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: um I want our listeners to really get the fact that, when a person says to you just simply by looking at you, based on the color of your skin that I would never.

00:41:46.500 --> 00:41:51.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: vote for you, there was nothing else, according to what you are saying.

00:41:51.570 --> 00:42:01.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That would be an indicator of why he wouldn't vote for you and I know from reading the story of Emma and also because I know lots and lots and lots of other professors.

00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:08.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Black professors, that there are roadblocks that are put in the way.

00:42:08.640 --> 00:42:18.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That are not put in the way of folks who are white and one thing that you did not say, but I happen to know, because i've talked to you about this.

00:42:18.990 --> 00:42:28.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is that when you I believe you didn't get your tenure your first time around, and you just mentioned that you went up early.

00:42:28.590 --> 00:42:31.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what's important for our audience to know.

00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:39.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is that you had been a tenured Professor somewhere else before, so it wasn't just that you were going up early, yes, you were brilliant and you had your seven articles and.

00:42:40.170 --> 00:42:52.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You had all of these other things that qualified you so you had that to qualify you but you also came in having been a tenured professor and usually.

00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:00.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It should sort of make the world a little less painful for you right.

00:43:01.110 --> 00:43:09.690 Marilyn Easter: Well, you know what's interesting is that if I if Emma would just have looked around and to see that there was no one looking like her.

00:43:10.140 --> 00:43:19.230 Marilyn Easter: If I would have just paid attention to say i'm the first and only black female professor, then that should have been the indicator well why.

00:43:19.620 --> 00:43:31.620 Marilyn Easter: Is it because i'm brilliant and I, and they gave me this job no it wasn't it's because others may have come before me, but they were discouraged and they just got the message, just like Anna Nicole.

00:43:33.090 --> 00:43:42.210 Marilyn Easter: And Nicole Jones she said, I am not going to stay at unc i'm going to go over to Howard university, where I am appreciative.

00:43:43.080 --> 00:43:45.240 Marilyn Easter: I never got that message and I never got.

00:43:45.510 --> 00:43:59.250 Marilyn Easter: had the opportunity, I always like that first generation who just going into the institutions thinking that they're going to take care of me and i'm going to do everything they tell me to do well, you got to have more than just hope.

00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:11.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yes, yes, well listen, we do have to take another quick break already we're going to be back with Dr Marilyn Easter, this is dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc we'll be right back.

00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:53.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with dismantle racism i'm your host Reverend Dr tlc Dr Marilyn Easter, we are.

00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:13.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So engrossed to this conversation and there's so much more that we could talk about, but I want to just ask you, I want to go back to something that you said, which was I should have taken a look around, to see that there were no other people who look like me.

00:47:14.790 --> 00:47:34.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I remember when I was in graduate school asking a professor Why are there any other black professors here are people of color, why are all the professors white and he said because we just don't have a good pool of applicants and the ones that we do have they go to.

00:47:35.460 --> 00:47:38.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Other schools, they go to some of the top schools.

00:47:40.020 --> 00:47:50.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, that in and of itself is a racist statement and and by top I mean like the big 10 sort of school does certainly the school was a good school.

00:47:50.520 --> 00:48:05.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But he's saying that the the the best and the brightest only want to go to some of those top 10 schools well that's a racist statement because what is actually saying is there aren't enough of you out there who are qualified.

00:48:05.520 --> 00:48:16.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But I believe that that's really related to our implicit biases or their implicit biases in terms of do we meet the standard do we qualify.

00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:30.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so I appreciate you saying that you as a professor should have looked around, but I think it's also important that those who are hiring I think at in the Academy.

00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:53.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If 90% or 95 or 97% of your faculty are white professors, what are you not doing to be able to recruit black and brown candidates, do you want to say a little bit more about that.

00:48:53.250 --> 00:49:05.790 Marilyn Easter: I think it's just rhetoric, I have been in this business long enough and i've heard the same thing we can't find anyone, we saw value you Marilyn Easter, but I never felt value.

00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:15.390 Marilyn Easter: And to say, well, you value me but where's the beef I don't see any evidence of filling value or even anyone.

00:49:15.930 --> 00:49:20.520 Marilyn Easter: going out of their way to even invite me to lunches or anything else, when I see.

00:49:20.730 --> 00:49:30.300 Marilyn Easter: A group of faculty getting together and like going to the ballpark or going for lunch and then it's like as they're stepping in the elevator Oh, by the way you want to come with us well.

00:49:30.630 --> 00:49:37.110 Marilyn Easter: Bad right there you know sends a lot of messages and so to be excluded all the time.

00:49:37.530 --> 00:49:48.150 Marilyn Easter: And yet you I hear the rhetoric all the time we're looking we're looking high and low I have been in situations where I would bring people on campus and bring them in.

00:49:48.420 --> 00:50:02.010 Marilyn Easter: The boardroom, so to speak, and they would still say we just can't find anyone we can't we I this area and in the Bay area so expensive, and now they want to come here, well, excuse me, what are you doing to recruit so I just see this.

00:50:02.700 --> 00:50:17.130 Marilyn Easter: This is your this is 2021 show me the data show me what you're really doing what's the intentional efforts that you're doing, are you going to the hbc us and recruiting are you going to the the various.

00:50:18.690 --> 00:50:29.250 Marilyn Easter: conferences that you know that black folks go to to recruit no you're not i've offered many times to go and it's like well we don't have the funding well.

00:50:29.580 --> 00:50:41.640 Marilyn Easter: So you really value us, but you don't have the funding i'll just say this it's taken me 20 years just to get on the recruiting committee because I was denied getting on that committee for 20 years straight.

00:50:42.060 --> 00:50:53.370 Marilyn Easter: wow and I, but I would not stop fighting to get on the committee is because you know what can I say it, I don't want to leave a legacy.

00:50:53.820 --> 00:51:04.920 Marilyn Easter: Where I am currently teaching to say I didn't try, I want to give it my very best shot, and so it took 20 years of getting denied have been on recruiting committees that's the.

00:51:05.160 --> 00:51:13.530 Marilyn Easter: The most important committee, one can get on and I said, if you really value people that look like me that I need to be on these committees and.

00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:21.150 Marilyn Easter: I was on the committee for the last two years i've been there for 22 years and i'm happy to say that got some got a.

00:51:22.050 --> 00:51:30.930 Marilyn Easter: got some black folks in there that's coming on board and so i'm super happy about that, but the number one thing is that you got to look around, and you have to.

00:51:31.170 --> 00:51:46.830 Marilyn Easter: accept what you don't see what you don't see tells a lot, and then you have to question question question and, of course, people will deny and they'll tell you how much they value you and how important you are and how much they love you but you got to say okay show me.

00:51:47.730 --> 00:51:49.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Why like to me, too, when you when you.

00:51:50.070 --> 00:51:51.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When you're talking about this.

00:51:54.120 --> 00:52:04.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: black and brown people who are isolated like that on campuses needs such support, I mean amazing support you know I do want to just.

00:52:05.190 --> 00:52:25.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: say this because you mentioned, they don't go to hbc us to recruit I believe that's because a lot of times, some of those places don't value the hbc us because they think that the education is not a stellar and having gone to Howard university, I can tell you that my education is stellar.

00:52:26.370 --> 00:52:37.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I can compete with anybody, so if anything I think there's some ways in which they pushed me a little bit harder and the one thing that you don't have to deal with that in hbc you.

00:52:38.190 --> 00:52:50.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is that I don't have to deal with the racism piece, so that I could I put focus on my academics, and so I one of the things that i've mentioned in my book that i'm writing.

00:52:51.660 --> 00:52:57.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: For corporations and CEOs is that you've got to be able to recruit or or any entrepreneur.

00:52:58.500 --> 00:53:10.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In business you've got to be able to recruit where the people are so I want to just thank you for for sharing your experience with us today, I know we actually only this just the tip of it.

00:53:11.220 --> 00:53:23.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, so we, we only have a few more minutes, so I want to just ask one final question before we do have to end and, and that is what advice would you give to.

00:53:25.020 --> 00:53:29.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, professors and teachers to uplift students.

00:53:30.780 --> 00:53:40.230 Marilyn Easter: To look around the world, right now, and see that there's so much negativity and and find a way to have a positive imprint.

00:53:40.770 --> 00:53:48.930 Marilyn Easter: On all students, not just some students but all students, what can we need to get back to the basics and do what we.

00:53:49.110 --> 00:54:05.670 Marilyn Easter: have pledged that we wanted to do and that's to educate our students and to not leave any students behind so when a professor sees a student that appears to be lost or disengage talk to that student and make that student realize that he or she is value.

00:54:06.120 --> 00:54:16.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm Thank you Thank you and any any parting words for parents out there who students might be at a pw I and.

00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:20.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They are just needing some extra support.

00:54:20.520 --> 00:54:25.890 Marilyn Easter: Just to keep encouraging your your your child let him or her know that.

00:54:26.520 --> 00:54:35.970 Marilyn Easter: They can do it, they can they can succeed keep them on the right path do whatever you can to let them know that you're going to be there for them, whether you have.

00:54:36.270 --> 00:54:48.330 Marilyn Easter: The tools, the instruments or whatever it may be, but guide them just tell them talk to your counselors talk to your your teachers don't be afraid to talk to your professors get out there and show your work.

00:54:48.750 --> 00:54:52.110 Marilyn Easter: And don't depend on someone to come in handy to you.

00:54:52.350 --> 00:54:55.620 Marilyn Easter: Demand what it is that you need to succeed.

00:54:56.520 --> 00:54:57.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you, thank you for that.

00:54:59.250 --> 00:55:07.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Dr Maryland Easter Thank you so much for joining me today on the show how can people get a copy of your book.

00:55:07.830 --> 00:55:25.890 Marilyn Easter: They can actually go online to Amazon because right there and Amazon ready to go also to square if they want a signature copy, they can go to and they can also get a signature copy and so Those are the two places to get get Ahold of the book.

00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And, and the name of the book in his.

00:55:28.410 --> 00:55:30.330 Marilyn Easter: book is called resilience.

00:55:32.220 --> 00:55:41.160 Marilyn Easter: bravery in the in the face of racism, corruption and privilege in the halls of academia I don't know if you can see that.

00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:44.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you well well for our listeners on the radio, no.

00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:52.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I can't see it, but those who are watching live can't go I am so delighted, I want to thank you all for joining.

00:55:53.310 --> 00:56:05.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: us today on the show, if you would like to know more about the programs, I offer on dismantling racism, please do visit my site at secret

00:56:05.610 --> 00:56:16.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to invite you to stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam liebowitz which is coming up where Sam talks with his guests and he wants them through.

00:56:17.340 --> 00:56:37.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Having a life of joy and ease and we all would love to have that Thank you so much for your time with us, Dr Easter and thank you for listening, this is dismantle racism i'm your host the Reverend Dr tlc be well be encouraged and be blessed.

00:56:38.580 --> 00:56:40.740 Marilyn Easter: Thank you for having me welcome.

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