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Monday, April 12, 2021
Facebook Live Video from 2021/04/12 - A Lifelong Home Run According to a Coach and His Player

Facebook Live Video from 2021/04/12 - A Lifelong Home Run According to a Coach and His Player


2021/04/12 - A Lifelong Home Run According to a Coach and His Player

[NEW EPISODE] A Lifelong Home Run According to a Coach and His Player

Jerry Katzke first joined the Bonnies as a player back in 1962, and after a few years transitioned to a managerial position in 1966 for the younger division. He has stayed with the Bonnies ever since. In his 50 years as Athletic Director, he has managed teams in all age groups, bringing in over 650 Championships. Despite everything he has achieved, he is most proud of the number of Bonnies players who have gone on to graduate from college and become successful public service workers.

Mark Shoenfield graduated Richmond College CUNY with a bachelor’s degree in Psychology. He then pursued a master’s in counseling from Long Island University. After coaching the Bonnies, he retired in 2015 after 39 combined years as a NYS Department of Labor & NYC MIS Computer specialist. Now he is a member of the Bonnies Hall of Fame, is a self-published poet, and is happily married with one son.

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Show Notes

Segment 1

To begin, the host introduces the two guests Jerry and Mark. Jerry is the Athletic director and treasurer of The Bonnies. The athletic director is responsible for the recreational and youth program. Jerry got his start at a young age playing baseball in little league along with for the Bonnies. He eventually grew a love for coaching in high school. Mark also played for the Bonnies with the host Albert. Both of them share a deep love for the sport. Mark exclaims how baseball allows people to mature, develop life skills, cope with adversity and more. He admits that baseball was an outlet that allowed him to escape from a somewhat uneasy household. To be around people who share similar interests and passions was rewarding for him. Jerry says that the sport was a reflection of the real world. There may be problems that occur but being part of a team and having people be there for you is vital.

Segment 2

Many young players who are participants of the program dream of going pro. However, not all of them are able to. When it sinks in, everyone takes the news differently. Some are angry, some sad and some are accepting. It really sinks in when the players are applying to college. Most of them want to attend division one schools but are unable to. Eventually, they all are able to cope and move on. Mark next explains how for some, moving forward with professional baseball would have been a detriment. If some players were better and got a shot in the minors then cut it from the team, that opportunity would have been time wasted. That time could have been used to help develop a long term career. Then Mark reads a poem he wrote after viewing the film Extra Innings that describes his experiences with others, baseball and his family.

Segment 3

To begin this segment, Albert reminisces on his own experiences. He talks about how he got cut on the last day of a try-out which helped lead him to the Bonnies. Nobody called him Al until he was a player with the Bonnies. When he was in college he started going by that name which gave him extra confidence. His last year of grad school he took an acting class for fun which led to him pursuing acting and producing. Next, the importance of discipline is brought up. Jerry explains that the most successful players are disciplined. Not everyone develops it at the same time but it is important to have it in a professional environment. After grad school, Albert began participating in adult baseball where some MLB teams do spring training. Seeing some professional coaches was great for him. Mark confesses that his discipline was strong because he wanted to be the best he could possibly be. He then says that he does not like some rules that are part of the game but he is still drawn to the game. It is still exciting for him to see the outcomes of games. Jerry believes that baseball is somewhat lost a bit. For him, a traditionalist, the game is moving towards an unfavorable direction. There is too much emphasis on the home run and not enough on simply getting a hit he confesses.

Segment 4

The final segment focuses on mental health. For Jerry, a coach, when a player has a mental health issue his ideal is to build up their confidence and encourage them. Most of the time, a player will be down on themselves because of something that occurred at home or on the field. Mark explains that Jerry once called him to cheer him up after striking out which led to losing a championship game 2-1. It is important for a coach to be there for their players. Sometimes a coach can act as a therapist. They are their role models. Despite what is occurring in life, the team and coach should always be there for one another.


00:00:38.850 --> 00:00:45.540 Albert Dabah: hi there, my name is Albert dabba I am a life coach therapists and film maker.

00:00:46.770 --> 00:00:57.570 Albert Dabah: Welcome to the podcast show of extra innings covering all the bases on the podcast show we talk about things like family.

00:00:58.710 --> 00:01:04.230 Albert Dabah: What happens in families growing up mental health wellness.

00:01:05.970 --> 00:01:12.210 Albert Dabah: Mental illness suicide problems that people deal with on a day to day basis.

00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:26.190 Albert Dabah: tonight on our show we have two guests, we have Jerry cat ski and mark schoenfeld and I will tell you more about the guests, as we get into the show.

00:01:26.820 --> 00:01:45.780 Albert Dabah: Jerry cassie is the athletic director of the binding baseball club brooklyn bonnie's baseball club and mark schoenfeld is a have been in computers, a big part of his life and he's also a poet and he's written some beautiful things that i've read.

00:01:47.580 --> 00:01:58.380 Albert Dabah: Extra innings actually comes the name comes from a film that I produced wrote directed and acted in that is now available on Amazon prime.

00:02:00.270 --> 00:02:17.880 Albert Dabah: it's a film that is based on a true story that takes place in during the 1960s so i'd like to start tonight with the show by introducing i'll have Jerry talk first and welcome Jerry to the show Jerry how are you tonight.

00:02:18.420 --> 00:02:21.240 Jerry Katzke: All right now, thanks for thanks for having me on.

00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:29.400 Albert Dabah: Oh you're welcome sure so Jerry um you know what we always do is ask people to send a little bio of.

00:02:30.750 --> 00:02:39.270 Albert Dabah: You know what they've done in their life and who they are, and you've done some magnificent things and the thing I want to point out is.

00:02:41.250 --> 00:02:47.250 Albert Dabah: You have been with the brooklyn barney's since 1962 Is that correct.

00:02:48.390 --> 00:02:55.830 Jerry Katzke: Yes, I originally planned for the bonnie's in 1962 and I started coaching with them in 1966.

00:02:56.610 --> 00:03:01.170 Albert Dabah: Okay, so that, in my mind is that, like 50 years would you say.

00:03:02.550 --> 00:03:04.140 Jerry Katzke: actually coming up on.

00:03:04.500 --> 00:03:11.340 Albert Dabah: Almost on 6060 okay 60 years, and right now you're.

00:03:12.510 --> 00:03:15.330 Albert Dabah: The actual position, what is it called what.

00:03:16.320 --> 00:03:20.400 Jerry Katzke: Well i'm both the athletic director so i'm basically responsible.

00:03:21.510 --> 00:03:32.280 Jerry Katzke: For our program, which is a an academic athletic and recreational program for the Youth Community and also the treasure of the organization as well.

00:03:32.940 --> 00:03:46.020 Albert Dabah: Right so becoming up on 60 years that's a lot of years um tell us a little bit about you know what's it been like for you over the years.

00:03:47.160 --> 00:03:47.460 Albert Dabah: and

00:03:48.150 --> 00:04:02.400 Jerry Katzke: it's been it's been quite a ride, I mean I never when I got started with the organization, I never expected that it was going to go on for this period of time and be as extensive and.

00:04:03.690 --> 00:04:05.070 Jerry Katzke: enjoyable as it's been.

00:04:06.810 --> 00:04:15.030 Jerry Katzke: i've many youth I started playing baseball when I was very young, I started playing it about seven or eight years old and and literally.

00:04:16.020 --> 00:04:27.420 Jerry Katzke: My older brother actually my middle brother was a fanatic baseball person play baseball football baseball and he's the one who probably got me into it.

00:04:28.620 --> 00:04:32.190 Jerry Katzke: But i've been playing since I was seven eight years old, I played for.

00:04:33.510 --> 00:04:43.200 Jerry Katzke: A number of years through literally and little behind literally, and when I was a senior in high school I kind of realized that.

00:04:43.950 --> 00:05:08.190 Jerry Katzke: My calling future coin was not as a baseball player, but I still really like baseball and really enjoyed the game and decided to get into coaching so I called tree coach my first team, when I was a senior at stuyvesant high school back in 1964 and i've been coaching ever since.

00:05:08.760 --> 00:05:24.810 Albert Dabah: uh huh okay well um i'd like to bring mark into this conversation and but right before that i'll mention that I I played for the bodies in the late 60s for about two or three years and.

00:05:26.580 --> 00:05:29.640 Albert Dabah: The memories, I have for them are something i'll never forget.

00:05:31.110 --> 00:05:42.660 Albert Dabah: And mark schoenfeld who's our other guests, tonight we played together on the same money team during the period of I think when what I think we were.

00:05:44.190 --> 00:05:49.290 Albert Dabah: Again, it was the late 60s likes 6768 I believe something like that just say.

00:05:50.550 --> 00:05:51.390 Albert Dabah: Mark what.

00:05:53.910 --> 00:05:54.780 Albert Dabah: Can you hear me mark.

00:05:54.930 --> 00:06:01.800 Albert Dabah: yeah yeah it was that what years, did you play on the bonnie's I think we played on the same team and the same time, I know that.

00:06:01.830 --> 00:06:08.310 Mark Shoenfield: yeah I think I think you're correct that it was probably 667 or 68 and that error.

00:06:08.670 --> 00:06:16.980 Mark Shoenfield: And you know, over the course of playing baseball for so long, you you interact with so many different players and different teams and.

00:06:17.730 --> 00:06:32.190 Mark Shoenfield: Some of it kind of blurs together, but the impact that it had on on I think so many young men in brooklyn and, of course, around the country on their lives is something that's measurable and just goes on and on.

00:06:33.150 --> 00:06:35.700 Albert Dabah: So um you play preposition.

00:06:35.970 --> 00:06:50.490 Albert Dabah: centerfield general field, I always remember you being in centerfield and I, I will see you is tall and lean you know i'm a short guy and I always thought you was like you know you are a fast runner and.

00:06:51.000 --> 00:07:03.180 Albert Dabah: I played second base and it's kind of like you always look in the outfield to see where players are situated for certain situations and I always remember looking back okay Sean fellows over there and Center field that's good.

00:07:04.650 --> 00:07:16.170 Albert Dabah: So what what is a what is baseball meant to you in your life like one of the things i'd love for maybe later in the show was to read something or whenever you want about.

00:07:17.370 --> 00:07:21.690 Albert Dabah: mark and I have not been in touch at all over the years.

00:07:22.860 --> 00:07:34.980 Albert Dabah: But he did come, you came to see the film right at I forgot what you saw it when we before Colvin we were screening the film extra innings and and he will be something really beautiful.

00:07:36.540 --> 00:07:44.190 Albert Dabah: About baseball and it really touched me and It made me think of you know i'd love to have him on the show tonight with Jerry here.

00:07:45.270 --> 00:07:51.270 Albert Dabah: Because it baseball meant so much to me um So what did it mean to you.

00:07:52.320 --> 00:07:56.040 Mark Shoenfield: It would you know it was I mean, I would like to read some of it, you can.

00:07:56.220 --> 00:08:10.500 Mark Shoenfield: Tell me, when I was young, but the impact that it had it was such a central theme in terms of it gave and not just for me, but for many other teammates I think it was an opportunity to.

00:08:11.700 --> 00:08:14.670 Mark Shoenfield: test yourself join a.

00:08:15.750 --> 00:08:18.480 Mark Shoenfield: get into a window of a much larger world.

00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:27.570 Mark Shoenfield: It was a safe environment where you could grow and devote all of your energies and believe in something and chase a dream.

00:08:28.500 --> 00:08:39.210 Mark Shoenfield: And it was a maturing aspect that gave you a window into the world and at life skills, I think in terms of dealing with diversity of so many different types of people.

00:08:41.970 --> 00:08:56.850 Mark Shoenfield: It was just a core experience that has spread out through the rest of my life with memories and but to be so devoted and essential focused way with other people in the same vein.

00:08:58.260 --> 00:09:02.160 Mark Shoenfield: Is such a rewarding experience and and an impressionable age.

00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.600 Mark Shoenfield: It means the world and for many of us.

00:09:07.650 --> 00:09:27.690 Mark Shoenfield: Parents were perhaps over involved or uninvolved and there was turmoil in my household so it was escape, it was a safe place it was a cocoon that was an outlet and sublimation and mode of expression, and it was a freeing experience that.

00:09:28.950 --> 00:09:38.700 Mark Shoenfield: I really I look back and I wonder what would I have done with all those hours I devoted to to baseball if I didn't focus it in that direction.

00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:41.070 Albert Dabah: Jerry.

00:09:42.780 --> 00:09:51.660 Albert Dabah: What, in terms of what mark just said is this something you've heard from other players over the years, similar to what to say.

00:09:52.530 --> 00:09:53.340 Jerry Katzke: yeah I think.

00:09:54.900 --> 00:10:06.390 Jerry Katzke: I mean for sure I mean obviously every you know every player has kind of a different view of you know we're baseball fit into their their growing up.

00:10:07.260 --> 00:10:15.150 Jerry Katzke: But I think what we've heard as a common theme, I mean, for you know many of the players that have come through the organization over the last.

00:10:16.260 --> 00:10:34.260 Jerry Katzke: 50 or 60 years is that you know baseball really gave them an environment where they can be part of a team that can be part of something where they were encouraged to to work hard and put in their best effort and and really also to deal with.

00:10:35.520 --> 00:10:36.330 Jerry Katzke: adversity.

00:10:37.350 --> 00:10:38.460 Jerry Katzke: You know, one of the things.

00:10:39.630 --> 00:10:40.140 Jerry Katzke: That.

00:10:41.400 --> 00:10:52.800 Jerry Katzke: That, I know I found is that baseball in a sense, was really a microcosm of the of the real world that's out there, the same kind of pressure and.

00:10:54.330 --> 00:11:01.110 Jerry Katzke: striving to be successful, that you see in the real world really was there on the baseball field as well.

00:11:02.130 --> 00:11:14.880 Jerry Katzke: And you know, one of the things that I continually stress and still do to our players is that you know anybody can be a good winner, but the sign of a real winner is being able to.

00:11:16.410 --> 00:11:25.590 Jerry Katzke: When you're down when you're facing adversity being able to pick yourself up and point yourself in the right direction and that's one of the things that.

00:11:26.640 --> 00:11:29.610 Jerry Katzke: You know, are the players learn through baseball.

00:11:30.870 --> 00:11:45.690 Albert Dabah: yeah I would definitely agree with that that that's a you know, a microcosm of the world itself of what we deal with outside of baseball, but the fact that be able to pick yourself up when you're dealing with some kind of diversity is a huge skill to have.

00:11:47.430 --> 00:11:53.430 Albert Dabah: Do you find and one of the things I know i'm now on the board of the bonnie's and I did a.

00:11:54.630 --> 00:12:04.830 Albert Dabah: Short documentary for the bonnie's and in the film extra innings I work with many kids from the bodies which was fantastic.

00:12:07.380 --> 00:12:16.350 Albert Dabah: But what I wanted to say was you have many of your coaches, a aren't a former bonnie players.

00:12:17.250 --> 00:12:23.460 Jerry Katzke: that's correct, so I would say about half of our managers and coaches.

00:12:24.570 --> 00:12:35.520 Jerry Katzke: or players that came up through the organization, two of them joined us as as early as six and seven years old and play with us through high school and college.

00:12:36.390 --> 00:12:46.650 Jerry Katzke: And graduated from college joined the professional community as engineers doctors, lawyers and i've come back to the organization as managers and coaches.

00:12:48.150 --> 00:12:53.190 Albert Dabah: Do most kids come up when they play baseball and have that dream of being a baseball player.

00:12:53.670 --> 00:12:58.830 Jerry Katzke: Major absolutely I may not know pretty much any player that you speak to in the.

00:12:59.910 --> 00:13:06.930 Jerry Katzke: let's say 14 to 17 age group they all think you're going to be majorly or so.

00:13:08.160 --> 00:13:10.500 Jerry Katzke: And it will have aspirations to be major leaguers.

00:13:12.150 --> 00:13:12.960 Albert Dabah: So.

00:13:14.640 --> 00:13:20.640 Albert Dabah: that's that's something i'd love to talk about, because obviously there are so few people that.

00:13:22.500 --> 00:13:32.850 Albert Dabah: are able to make the major leagues and and and stay in the major League, so I would like to get back on that in a minute we're going to take a break in a minute, but.

00:13:33.540 --> 00:13:40.050 Albert Dabah: I think that's something, you know that that reality has, at some point, you know.

00:13:40.740 --> 00:13:49.440 Albert Dabah: Is is you know if you're 1415 and you have that dream and then maybe when you're 1718 you realize that's not going to happen for you.

00:13:49.950 --> 00:14:08.070 Albert Dabah: You know i'd love to really talk to you, right after this break about what is it like for that kid who is really you know just focused on that laser focused on that so we'll come back with Jerry cascade and mark schoenfeld right after this break Thank you.

00:17:05.250 --> 00:17:11.100 Albert Dabah: hi we're back at extra innings covering all the bases let's continue with Jerry.

00:17:12.870 --> 00:17:15.360 Albert Dabah: We were talking about as.

00:17:17.040 --> 00:17:27.210 Albert Dabah: A coach and manager and being the athletic director of the brooklyn bonnie's so what's it like 14 year old 15 1617 year old.

00:17:27.540 --> 00:17:41.310 Albert Dabah: aspirations of wanting to major league baseball player and then you know they realize at one point it's not going to happen, what will happen What was it like for that player and how do you deal with it, or do you have to deal with it does that come up.

00:17:42.060 --> 00:17:53.250 Jerry Katzke: Sure, so it really you know impacts, you know each player, a little differently, I mean some players, you know from even when they're four team.

00:17:53.850 --> 00:18:04.710 Jerry Katzke: You know, are self aware of the fact that they're not going to be major leaguers but they continue to play, because they really love the game and really enjoy the the.

00:18:05.820 --> 00:18:23.490 Jerry Katzke: The people that they need and and the teamwork other players really very hard for them to accept the fact that they're not going to be major leaguers and you know they blame other people and they you know they find fault with everybody and.

00:18:24.900 --> 00:18:43.260 Jerry Katzke: Eventually, most of them do accept the fact that being a major league player is not in their future, but some of them really are never really able to fully accept it i'm sorry it's really a very tough experience man, the first time it usually hits.

00:18:44.490 --> 00:18:52.290 Jerry Katzke: Is when our high school guys are applying to college so wonder parts of our program is helping our players.

00:18:52.830 --> 00:19:03.930 Jerry Katzke: i'm from both an academic and athletic perspective in terms of getting into the right college that matches their academic skills as well as their.

00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:14.070 Jerry Katzke: baseball skills and what happens is the first time you speak to them about college, they all want to go to Florida St and cal state fullerton and.

00:19:14.520 --> 00:19:26.610 Jerry Katzke: Arizona state and all the clemson and vanderbilt and it really takes a while, for it to sink in that that's not really a realistic view of the world.

00:19:28.470 --> 00:19:30.270 Jerry Katzke: Most of the players eventually.

00:19:31.290 --> 00:19:32.580 Jerry Katzke: adjust and adapt.

00:19:33.990 --> 00:19:36.090 Jerry Katzke: And, most of them find.

00:19:37.320 --> 00:19:48.540 Jerry Katzke: Quality careers that they move that they move on to you know they don't lose their love of baseball but they understand that there's more to the real world out there than just baseball.

00:19:48.990 --> 00:20:02.250 Albert Dabah: Right right well let's get back to that on you know what what different occupations, many of them go into because, of course, many of them to go on to play college baseball and we can talk more about you know some of the.

00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:13.380 Albert Dabah: bonnie players that went on, maybe further than that i'd like to go to mark and ask mark if you'd like to share some of his thoughts of.

00:20:15.780 --> 00:20:25.290 Albert Dabah: What was it like for you did you feel like you wanted to be a major league baseball player at one time and then i'd love for you to read a little bit or some part of that.

00:20:26.100 --> 00:20:33.180 Albert Dabah: poem you wrote about baseball because it really hit me hard when I first read it, and I read it again when you send it last week.

00:20:34.500 --> 00:20:44.160 Mark Shoenfield: Sure, I with all my heart, I want to be a professional baseball player and and I guess what I want to go back to a little bit with Jerry was talking about stuff is.

00:20:44.580 --> 00:20:59.220 Mark Shoenfield: At what point how far do you push your dream and when is it a detriment, rather than a positive aspects in your life um I didn't get a scholarship I wrote to some colleges, I was a walk on.

00:21:00.810 --> 00:21:10.530 Mark Shoenfield: One day in batting practice before a game, I think we playing St john's I hit like football's over the fence and a scout came over and they were taking some personal information.

00:21:11.130 --> 00:21:22.710 Mark Shoenfield: And for the rest of practice i'm diving left diving right and the game starts, and I think I hit a ground ball to the picture, and that was it, but I wonder about some of the people that we played with WHO.

00:21:23.790 --> 00:21:34.920 Mark Shoenfield: If they were a little bit better, they would have been signed and maybe had a year or two in the minors and maybe that would have helped hurt them and their professional career later because.

00:21:36.090 --> 00:21:44.610 Mark Shoenfield: that's what i'm saying, but how far did you follow something before you, you have maybe some self awareness that maybe you're not going to get that brass ring.

00:21:45.180 --> 00:21:52.080 Mark Shoenfield: And if you chase that dream too far it can sidetrack you will be a detriment, in terms of professional career later.

00:21:52.350 --> 00:22:05.190 Mark Shoenfield: So I think for myself personally, I wasn't I wasn't big enough I wasn't strong enough I wasn't going to make the major leagues if I would have played a year into it in minor league ball, though, would have been a dream come true on a certain level.

00:22:05.610 --> 00:22:09.450 Mark Shoenfield: In the overall scheme of things, it might not have been the best.

00:22:11.040 --> 00:22:23.610 Mark Shoenfield: opportunity and I don't think that you can see that, when you're 17 or 18 but as an adult looking back with it through different lens you have a different perspective, and you can see where things kind of fit together.

00:22:24.060 --> 00:22:28.050 Albert Dabah: yeah um yeah and I remember.

00:22:29.190 --> 00:22:36.840 Albert Dabah: I coached baseball my son, I have three kids and my oldest son my two girls played softball when I coached a lot.

00:22:37.800 --> 00:22:53.940 Albert Dabah: In my son we lived in Mars town and we actually played the bonnie's once in a Memorial Day tournament on her forget, oh no that we were supposed to be got rained out and then the bodies came to us in morristown played us and they wiped us out two games on their feet.

00:22:54.990 --> 00:23:07.170 Albert Dabah: And my guys were complaining that guy is not 14 and 15 mustache and you know look out for you hit that ball and i'm looking listen guys, this is baseball you know they beat us.

00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:09.210 Albert Dabah: So.

00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:15.750 Albert Dabah: What can you read a little bit of that oh i'd love to i'd love for the audience here to hear.

00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:23.820 Mark Shoenfield: A little background that so we went to see the film with Jerry and a few of the other bonnie players in the village a couple of years ago.

00:23:24.210 --> 00:23:35.910 Mark Shoenfield: And it had a very strong impact on me and I sort of slept on it and certain thoughts coalesced and I wrote a little something i'll read in a moment, and I wanted to share it with.

00:23:36.300 --> 00:23:45.270 Mark Shoenfield: The our other teammates who didn't get to see the film as a way to introduce them to it and, hopefully, they would see it and.

00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:51.090 Mark Shoenfield: So let me start and if any point you think i'm going too far, or whatever, let me know you know.

00:23:52.830 --> 00:23:56.340 Mark Shoenfield: So there's the comments on the film a day after.

00:23:57.600 --> 00:24:04.020 Mark Shoenfield: The film addresses many universal themes, as well as the tragedy of mental illness and a very authentic humanistic way.

00:24:04.710 --> 00:24:13.710 Mark Shoenfield: The strong color baseball providing an insular cocoon as well as the springboard to the wider world it's displayed in many nuanced ways.

00:24:14.250 --> 00:24:26.340 Mark Shoenfield: The film touches us on so many levels it's a sweet courageous undertaking in the hope of helping others, that is, the positive message of this film of this family tragedy.

00:24:27.300 --> 00:24:39.090 Mark Shoenfield: Tolstoy said all happy families resemble one another each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way, we all have had goldilocks parents.

00:24:39.690 --> 00:24:46.020 Mark Shoenfield: That is parents who love and support their children either too much too little or just right.

00:24:46.860 --> 00:25:03.150 Mark Shoenfield: For a segment of boys and young men, whose families and especially their fathers were perhaps emotionally and physically absent or overbearing baseball provided an outlet of expression that was a safe respite from the tensions of the world.

00:25:04.560 --> 00:25:22.830 Mark Shoenfield: baseball fill the void to oneself and to develop a strong sense of purpose it was a place to strive and pour out all of all of yourself into something bigger and broader than yourself, often at a tender impressionable age, it was a place to fit in and it felt right.

00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:32.070 Mark Shoenfield: Sometimes it takes a male figure, other than a father or family member to believe in you, in order to facilitate confidence and emotional growth.

00:25:32.970 --> 00:25:42.600 Mark Shoenfield: Many of us were lucky enough to have such coaches and leaders who lead by example and quote did the right thing for that they cannot be thanked enough.

00:25:43.950 --> 00:25:52.860 Mark Shoenfield: Some other questions indirectly raised by the film are what is work what is play how long and what color should you follow your passion.

00:25:53.700 --> 00:26:13.530 Mark Shoenfield: When and how do you define your parents can baseball be a shield to deflect dealing with real world precious can you sublimate too much, how do you deal with family tragedy could something else have been done, how do you process such grief make sense of it and go forward positively.

00:26:14.580 --> 00:26:33.690 Mark Shoenfield: I believe this film will touch many and be especially poignant for former bonnie players who can find so much to relate to minus outlets personal anguish, the film is deep and wide enough to touch the compassion and sadness and us all there by bringing us a little closer.

00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:45.540 Mark Shoenfield: Personally baseball is my sanctuary and salvation and I believe it was for other bonnie players that I got to know so well in the 1960s and 1970s.

00:26:46.290 --> 00:26:56.160 Mark Shoenfield: Coming from a less than perfect family and as a shy lonely insecure boy baseball provided me with an outlet to confidently express myself.

00:26:56.730 --> 00:27:10.710 Mark Shoenfield: It filled me with purpose direction and a path to the wider outside world, there are a lot of tensions in my house growing up, and the more time I spend playing ball, the less I had to deal with like parents fighting and a troubled older brother.

00:27:11.910 --> 00:27:25.110 Mark Shoenfield: My father was a self centered narcissistic person who liked the character in the film only came to watch me play once in my entire life, he then greatly embarrassed me by asking the coach if I was good enough to make the pros.

00:27:26.190 --> 00:27:28.740 Mark Shoenfield: We never went to a professional baseball game together.

00:27:30.150 --> 00:27:37.650 Mark Shoenfield: On my first day to college my mother deposit in May at a dormitory role, she told me that she and my father was separating into voicing.

00:27:38.430 --> 00:27:50.340 Mark Shoenfield: A few years later, my father died partially of his by his own design, I was playing baseball the very next day, the best coping mechanism for an overwhelming mournful centerfield.

00:27:51.060 --> 00:28:09.150 Mark Shoenfield: As a way to soothe myself as the film also the film depicts the role of coaches, who provide structure guidance leadership and devotion that cannot be overstated, and as a side Jerry Kathy was has filled this role for so many for so many years.

00:28:10.260 --> 00:28:12.840 Mark Shoenfield: And for this service should be duly recognized.

00:28:14.070 --> 00:28:29.280 Mark Shoenfield: Many timeless themes are captured and depicted using baseball's of backdrop in this film showing a boy and a young man that transcended the enormous tragedy of mental illness is one aspect of this much more encompassing Stuart Thank you Alvin.

00:28:30.870 --> 00:28:47.970 Albert Dabah: Oh wow thanks so much Martha that that was really beautiful, I mean you know just hearing it being read, really, really makes me feel very emotional about it and I, and I, and I can see how you were touch with you know your own family, and what it meant to you.

00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:59.730 Albert Dabah: yeah baseball for me was my sanctuary I, and I did you know get it from my older brother who talked to me about it.

00:29:00.810 --> 00:29:08.730 Albert Dabah: And he talked about it, as is depicted in the film about the old baseball what even before he was born, you know we talked about.

00:29:09.390 --> 00:29:26.970 Albert Dabah: Because he read about it, and he was he was a fan up until he really got sick and you know just was stuck in his own life so we'll come back and talk more about the barney's and baseball and mental health, I would all melts together.

00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:32.370 Albert Dabah: we'll come back with cherry and more right after this commercial Thank you.

00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:23.610 Albert Dabah: hi there we're back with Jerry cassie and mark schoenfeld.

00:32:25.650 --> 00:32:36.270 Albert Dabah: marks just read a beautiful piece that he wrote after seeing the film extra innings and you know what I was just thinking about during this break was.

00:32:38.010 --> 00:32:40.980 Albert Dabah: You know what baseball meant for me.

00:32:42.270 --> 00:32:56.580 Albert Dabah: And I agree it was the sanctuary and and it gave me a place to escape from all the stuff that was going up and groan going on in my home and I did get to play a bit of a college baseball at long island university.

00:32:57.990 --> 00:33:06.270 Albert Dabah: went to Los Angeles for my sister live and told me to try out for a team there, I went in the middle of the year, you know mid semester, and I.

00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:26.070 Albert Dabah: So I they had two weeks of tryouts and I, they were cutting people every day and and I was so disappointed because I got cut the last day and but talking about how to handle that I, and I ended up you know feeling really disappointed, but I ended up playing on one of these.

00:33:27.090 --> 00:33:33.990 Albert Dabah: You know baseball teams kind of similar to the bonnie's it was a traveling team, which reminds me is one of the things I wanted to say, one of my.

00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:54.780 Albert Dabah: most wonderful experiences with the bodies, when we had our first travel game, we played in long island and I felt wow what a trip that was no yeah you know they're really beautiful fields and what I will say to is it was such a great feeling to shoot extra innings.

00:33:55.860 --> 00:34:06.660 Albert Dabah: On in the parade bands on the same fields that we played on I mean before we actually were able to get the fields, it was tough getting the fields as Jerry knows.

00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:21.690 Albert Dabah: And, but I would go there and take pictures of the fields and imagine, would it be like to shoot there and then I would imagine think back to what it was like to play there and I also played it marine park way before then in brooklyn.

00:34:23.070 --> 00:34:23.520 Albert Dabah: But.

00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:36.570 Albert Dabah: For me, you know I saw that baseball wasn't going to be my career and I was really down on myself for a while and i'll never forget, when I went so I ended up in short, basically, I.

00:34:37.710 --> 00:34:41.250 Albert Dabah: Somehow I went I went to brooklyn college I graduated from there and I got a.

00:34:41.610 --> 00:34:48.720 Albert Dabah: I got a job working as a mental health therapist I don't know how I got it, but I got it while I was still a senior in college.

00:34:49.050 --> 00:35:04.620 Albert Dabah: Was it was called liberal data less than project that was right next to brooklyn college and I was literally seeing you know young men and women who were just a few years younger than me and all the therapists there who are msw degrees master's in social work.

00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:13.380 Albert Dabah: Basically, said why don't you go on, you know you do a really good job here once you go into graduate school, I never ever thought of going to Grad school, but one of the great things about.

00:35:13.770 --> 00:35:25.200 Albert Dabah: An msw degree is it's only two days in the classroom and three days or have an internship so that appealed to me because I, you know when I was in school I ever dreamt about was playing baseball and.

00:35:26.100 --> 00:35:33.780 Albert Dabah: So I went off I worked in the field for two years, went for a got my Emma stone msw degree, but I was a shy kid you know, and so, when I was.

00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:44.970 Albert Dabah: went to Grad school and Miami Barry university, you know, no one ever called me out until I went to the bonnie's and I was called out.

00:35:45.330 --> 00:35:53.220 Albert Dabah: And then, when I went to Grad school, someone said what's your name and someone just said, is it Albert Albert I said I just call me out, so I was Al again.

00:35:54.180 --> 00:36:03.180 Albert Dabah: I was always called Albert and and feel great that now, you know missing my baseball name may seem seem like small but for me it was big at the time and it gave me confidence.

00:36:04.080 --> 00:36:10.650 Albert Dabah: To go there and plus I had some experience going the air and there were a lot of people didn't have the experience and.

00:36:11.520 --> 00:36:22.620 Albert Dabah: I decided to take an acting class for fun I said this my last time in college and Grad school and I took an acting class and then I was asked to audition for their apply that they had a really big performing arts.

00:36:23.670 --> 00:36:32.160 Albert Dabah: theater there and they had people from the outside, coming audition and students, so I ended up doing for plays at that school.

00:36:33.030 --> 00:36:41.340 Albert Dabah: Three, while I was in school and one when I after I graduated I stayed in Miami and work as a therapist at Jewish family service and.

00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:50.820 Albert Dabah: You know funny how one thing leads to another and then from there, I pursued came back to New York pursued acting and ended up getting a therapist job, but then one day I.

00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:57.000 Albert Dabah: got into an acting group and got a second lead on one of these awful broadway plays and.

00:36:57.720 --> 00:37:06.270 Albert Dabah: I just started to pursue acting full time which then led me into video production and casting and all that stuff which ended up in one day and then.

00:37:06.600 --> 00:37:13.230 Albert Dabah: I went to therapy after my brother died and ended up he's he said why don't you write the story of what happened and then my sister died later on and.

00:37:13.740 --> 00:37:25.650 Albert Dabah: So that's how I came up with writing the story of extra innings and a film that i'm very proud of, and I think can help people, one of the things I want to bring up is about.

00:37:27.870 --> 00:37:37.290 Albert Dabah: What baseball gives you we've been talking about different things, and we had mentioned discipline, and so I started working just during covert I started.

00:37:38.160 --> 00:37:48.420 Albert Dabah: To now, you need a license to be a therapist and licensed msw and it was a big deal to the places I work with closed down already so I ended up getting this life coach degree.

00:37:48.870 --> 00:37:59.730 Albert Dabah: And i've been seeing some clients just starting out seeing clients again and I was talking with a new client today, and one of the things he's a 35 year old.

00:38:00.060 --> 00:38:11.850 Albert Dabah: Man and he's as trouble with discipline, we talked a lot about discipline and he gets depressed and It made me think as we're talking now about him and about how how baseball does give you that discipline.

00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:20.940 Albert Dabah: i'm a Jerry hat, can you address that for us, like the discipline of you know, being on a team.

00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:34.470 Albert Dabah: And you know needing to show up and what happens when you don't show up or what happens, you know how does discipline get formed and obviously a lot comes from their family and school and all that, but how do you see that, on the baseball field.

00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:37.860 Jerry Katzke: Well, I mean, I think that.

00:38:39.450 --> 00:38:44.730 Jerry Katzke: You know, in order to be successful, you know, in a serious baseball Program.

00:38:46.080 --> 00:38:56.640 Jerry Katzke: Just as in life, you do have to have the discipline now some of the players, you know and and different different players mature at different ages.

00:38:57.450 --> 00:39:05.790 Jerry Katzke: So some players, even when they're 13 years old, they already have a sense of structure and discipline.

00:39:06.630 --> 00:39:13.590 Jerry Katzke: and other players, it really comes much later and some players and never comes at all, but the ones that are successful.

00:39:14.190 --> 00:39:31.560 Jerry Katzke: I mean are ones that do have an inner drive and and a discipline and you know, being able to deal with structure and being able to deal with teammates so I mean there's a lot there that again, you know matches the what happens out there in the real world.

00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:50.130 Jerry Katzke: My as i'm not sure you are aware of this out, but you know my professional career as a outside of baseball was as a manager of software development in a software development company and one of the things that I found.

00:39:51.690 --> 00:40:03.960 Jerry Katzke: Is that a lot of the skills that are important to being a manager or VP of development Okay, a lot of the skills that I took advantage of were ones, and I learned it from baseball.

00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:22.830 Jerry Katzke: there's there's a very strong similarity between the structure and the leadership and the attention to detail that you need to have to be successful, as a baseball manager that are exactly the same when put into a professional environment.

00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:40.110 Albert Dabah: Right right I get it mark howdy, how do you feel um has to jump ahead a little bit I was just thinking about you know we played baseball a long time ago now, I I had a really fortunate to experience that So when I was in Grad school.

00:40:41.370 --> 00:40:53.520 Albert Dabah: You know, we would play they say let's play some softball and we would they would play the you know, girls and the guys together and I couldn't imagine what it would be like God to play with girls now softball.

00:40:53.910 --> 00:41:04.890 Albert Dabah: And I was like at first like oh man, but I did, and I enjoyed it so much because just swinging that BAT again hitting the ball, whether it's a baseball or softball.

00:41:05.250 --> 00:41:15.000 Albert Dabah: It was so much fun, but I remember my resistance, who would first and then after Grad school I ended up somehow getting involved in playing adult baseball.

00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:25.830 Albert Dabah: And in programs that there were all these different programs, where we would play down in Florida when the major league teams would leave we play in the same major league fields that.

00:41:26.430 --> 00:41:42.330 Albert Dabah: Major league teams when they went after spring training, they would go back up north to play or at wherever they played, and we would play on these amazing fields of where the major league baseball players play spring training we played once it.

00:41:43.590 --> 00:41:48.360 Albert Dabah: With the Yankees played in Fort lauderdale i'm not work for l'oreal.

00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:49.740 Albert Dabah: Tampa Tampa.

00:41:49.770 --> 00:41:58.080 Albert Dabah: yeah yeah for learn Oh, and then Tampa and and then, on the other fields you'd have some of these other ex Yankees as coaches.

00:41:58.470 --> 00:42:04.740 Albert Dabah: And I remember hector Lopez is right there and I had long conversations with him who played with the Yankees played my field.

00:42:05.370 --> 00:42:12.750 Albert Dabah: And he was always I was always a big fan of his because he was born in Cologne Panama that's where my mother was born and he was really sweet guy.

00:42:13.290 --> 00:42:23.310 Albert Dabah: um so I wanted to ask you mark, are you are you a baseball fan out you follow baseball and along with that question um my question is.

00:42:23.670 --> 00:42:36.090 Albert Dabah: You know baseball has changed a lot, you know, in the major league level there's a lot of different rule changes and one in particular I want to bring up but tell me how if you're a fan now and you follow any team and what's it like for you now.

00:42:36.270 --> 00:42:50.370 Mark Shoenfield: Sure, I just want to go back to one point when Jerry so talking about discipline and I think that for me personally, and many of the other place, I wanted to be the best I could be so that's where the discipline came in.

00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:57.210 Mark Shoenfield: Ernest Hemingway when he wrote one of his books, I think he wrote 40 different endings he kept trying to get it right.

00:42:57.990 --> 00:43:02.160 Mark Shoenfield: And you hear about muscle memory, we need 10,000 hours to be really good at something.

00:43:03.030 --> 00:43:12.150 Mark Shoenfield: And and here's a little strange little story, I remember once playing in the catcher, who is a friend of mine what glasses and I looked at him and his glasses, are all smudgy.

00:43:12.750 --> 00:43:18.600 Mark Shoenfield: And they were inclined, and it just appalled me because you wanted to be your best out there.

00:43:19.350 --> 00:43:33.480 Mark Shoenfield: And so I bought my classes clean you want every advantage, you could get to be as good as you could be, and that is the discipline that carries over from you know from the ball field to your work profession or whatever.

00:43:33.750 --> 00:43:34.140 Right.

00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:41.820 Mark Shoenfield: In terms of a fan now yeah I follow at each year I lose a little bit more contact, because I don't know who these guys are.

00:43:43.530 --> 00:43:53.910 Mark Shoenfield: i'm a dinosaur and that you know I don't like the designated hitter rule and all that kind of stuff and I still feel that strong emotional poll.

00:43:54.390 --> 00:44:03.660 Mark Shoenfield: Sometimes i'm more interested in the outcome of the game of this score than watching for three hours or whatever i'm it's harder to concentrate for that amount of time, but.

00:44:03.930 --> 00:44:21.420 Mark Shoenfield: You know emotionally the teams I root for the still that same childhood feeling of pleasure when they win and disappointment frustration when they lose I think there's something about being a fan that it's in your blood and it may not be the same intensity or.

00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.650 Mark Shoenfield: strength, but it's there it's a core that runs through you.

00:44:26.160 --> 00:44:35.760 Albert Dabah: yeah yeah i've been a Yankee fan my whole life, but it was devastate me the first World series that I really remember remember well was 1960.

00:44:36.450 --> 00:44:42.180 Albert Dabah: I was nine years old, when they lost in the pirates and it broke my heart they'll measure us be hitting that home run.

00:44:42.630 --> 00:44:54.600 Albert Dabah: That ground ball that was hit the coney cool back and him could have been a double play and I had the chance to meet Tony cool back and sat with him and I brought it up, and I said man that kill me, you know.

00:44:55.740 --> 00:45:11.250 Albert Dabah: Are you bringing that up I go well come on Tony that was like not your ball, there was a bad happened, I mean wow I mean and that i'll never forget how upset I felt after that world series, but I always look back and, and so one of the best world series ever.

00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:24.180 Albert Dabah: But I will I will bring up something that really bothers me I know it started last year with coven all this thing and I didn't know that they were using it again this year and so last week when when it goes into extra innings which is.

00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:35.310 Albert Dabah: You know the name know when they started with a man on second base, and I remember in some of these leagues I play with that's how they played it so you know we wouldn't play forever.

00:45:35.850 --> 00:45:43.320 Albert Dabah: And what I always loved about baseball was that it can go on forever, I mean there's no time limit, and I remember.

00:45:44.790 --> 00:45:52.170 Albert Dabah: May a Memorial Day game, I think it was 1962 I wasn't a met fan, but I went to a met doubleheader they were playing the giants.

00:45:52.530 --> 00:46:01.890 Albert Dabah: And, and the first game was exciting game I don't remember who won or lost, but there was a triple play, and then the second game, and when something like 2426 innings.

00:46:02.130 --> 00:46:03.780 Mark Shoenfield: When a three innings I was their album.

00:46:03.810 --> 00:46:05.370 Albert Dabah: While you while you wow.

00:46:05.460 --> 00:46:13.350 Mark Shoenfield: Well, I don't leave early because my friend was went to brooklyn tech, I believe that he had a final the next day or something so we had to leave around the 12th inning.

00:46:13.680 --> 00:46:21.180 Mark Shoenfield: And it was so amazing when we got home, you know we took the train home was about an hour hour and a half and it turned on the TV and there was.

00:46:21.240 --> 00:46:31.860 Albert Dabah: yeah I I stayed to the 16th inning and I didn't want to leave and no cell phones, then I was having my grandmother my parents were living in Israel.

00:46:32.160 --> 00:46:42.870 Albert Dabah: And I still stay, I think I stayed till about 11 o'clock at night and I got home for the last out, and I was I couldn't wait, I was running from the train to get home, and I saw the last out but.

00:46:42.930 --> 00:46:47.160 Mark Shoenfield: Willie mays when Willie mays one one for 10 in that game, it was a bunch single.

00:46:47.580 --> 00:46:50.730 Mark Shoenfield: Know Jim davenport won that game with a double but.

00:46:51.090 --> 00:46:56.700 Albert Dabah: You know you just mentioned Willie mays I was about to mention him first but I said was he really on he was on.

00:46:57.660 --> 00:46:59.400 Mark Shoenfield: He was on the giant but that's.

00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:11.700 Albert Dabah: yeah he's on the giants then right right but um it was such a thrill to be there and and and that's what I love about the game is that I know you know one thing that always bothered me about Michael Kay.

00:47:12.300 --> 00:47:21.000 Albert Dabah: As a Yankee fan was he would say you know, at the end of the game that was a unmanageable you know four and a half hour game, I say unmanageable.

00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:31.860 Albert Dabah: You got the luckiest job in the world, just sit in it and pay to you know do a baseball game, I mean what's unmatchable about it, you know hey Jerry what's your thoughts about current baseball.

00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:34.320 Jerry Katzke: well.

00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:38.220 Jerry Katzke: I you know, I think that.

00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:43.170 Jerry Katzke: You know baseball is lost a bit I mean.

00:47:44.490 --> 00:47:57.150 Jerry Katzke: You know, first of all, I mean the whole emphasis on the home run no it's kind of home run or nothing, and you know bunts and so on bases are you know, have been totally devalued.

00:47:59.310 --> 00:48:00.030 Jerry Katzke: And then.

00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:07.290 Jerry Katzke: The the opener I really dislike the concept of the opener.

00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:11.310 Jerry Katzke: You know that pitches one inning and then they bring someone else and.

00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:23.580 Jerry Katzke: So some of the things that are currently for all day flourishing but exist in baseball or are you know, to the traditionalist are.

00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:33.930 Jerry Katzke: Pretty disappointing and certainly the yeah straining rule that will certainly falls in that in that category.

00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:35.850 Jerry Katzke: But.

00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:59.700 Jerry Katzke: You know there's still obviously magic in the game, but it's just put and all the analytics I mean yeah you know I mean it's fine for people to use the analytics as input, you know, but some some teams some organizations, you know use it as the Gospel you know.

00:49:01.470 --> 00:49:06.750 Albert Dabah: yeah I know I know I get really irritated when you see a picture you know pitching great.

00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:19.380 Albert Dabah: And you know all of a sudden, he pitched so many pitches and maybe he walks a guy who gives up you know what the head is and he's out of the game, I know what happened in the playoffs big time last year for Tampa.

00:49:19.890 --> 00:49:21.660 Jerry Katzke: yeah with blake's now.

00:49:21.720 --> 00:49:33.600 Albert Dabah: makes now was pitching a beautiful game and it's like it's almost like are you watching Western front of you, or are you just looking at the the analytics.

00:49:33.750 --> 00:49:42.570 Mark Shoenfield: What if I can throw two quick things in there sandy koufax his last season i'm relatively sure he had 27 complete games.

00:49:43.350 --> 00:49:53.490 Albert Dabah: yeah he I read that book by that women who, and I looked at the end of the book, it has the stats I couldn't believe his stats.

00:49:56.160 --> 00:50:06.000 Albert Dabah: I was amazed, of how you know I could see why his arm was the way what I mean he was pretty young right, I think it was like early 30s when he retired I.

00:50:06.060 --> 00:50:07.590 Mark Shoenfield: know he played 10 years really.

00:50:07.770 --> 00:50:08.430 Albert Dabah: 10 years now.

00:50:09.510 --> 00:50:19.320 Albert Dabah: And it's first us years he was pretty wild and stuff and but he had probably some of the best six or seven years and any picture ever pitched in history.

00:50:20.100 --> 00:50:22.500 Albert Dabah: And I and and the funny thing was you know.

00:50:23.100 --> 00:50:29.520 Albert Dabah: it's so weird but I didn't move for him, and you know, he was Jewish and he wouldn't play on Yom Kippur war, and that was a big deal.

00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:37.710 Albert Dabah: But I was such a Yankee fan, and I was a whitey Ford fan, you know who's better Kovacs you know all these little who's better man oh amazing who's better you know.

00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:40.950 Albert Dabah: When I read his book, I was like wow.

00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.040 Mark Shoenfield: Let me give you one more game Warren spahn.

00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.770 Mark Shoenfield: Who was the pitching against they both went 16 innings.

00:50:50.040 --> 00:50:50.490 Albert Dabah: uh huh.

00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:53.940 Mark Shoenfield: And I want Mera shower.

00:50:54.870 --> 00:50:55.620 Albert Dabah: yeah yeah.

00:50:55.650 --> 00:51:09.090 Mark Shoenfield: Nice hit a home run and 16th to win the game and then like the 12th of the 13th they wanted to take marussia out of the game and he said i'm not coming out till the old man who thinks spawn was like 4142.

00:51:10.770 --> 00:51:12.540 Mark Shoenfield: They both pitch 16 innings.

00:51:12.630 --> 00:51:13.050 Albert Dabah: yeah.

00:51:13.080 --> 00:51:14.250 Mark Shoenfield: Talking about a different error.

00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:25.260 Albert Dabah: yeah definitely definitely so um alright um we are have a about a minute before we're going to go to break so i'd like to.

00:51:25.860 --> 00:51:39.510 Albert Dabah: we'll come back and I want to just touch a little bit on the mental health part of you know what this does for a person playing baseball How does it help their you know their mental health in terms of.

00:51:40.470 --> 00:51:51.630 Albert Dabah: You know figuring out when they're depressed or something and how it can help them and and how much of a role, you know, can a coach have to help that kid.

00:51:52.560 --> 00:52:02.760 Albert Dabah: Particularly if the kid is not you know looking for help, but how much how much a coach can notice that, in a kid anyway we'll be right back with mark and.

00:54:17.100 --> 00:54:18.960 Albert Dabah: we're back with Jerry and mark.

00:54:18.990 --> 00:54:26.310 Albert Dabah: Talking baseball will be winding up this show very soon, I know we could go on for hours talking about baseball.

00:54:26.670 --> 00:54:27.210 Jerry Katzke: um.

00:54:27.570 --> 00:54:44.400 Albert Dabah: One of the things I just want to bring up is like mental health part of the game like Jerry Have you ever you know, seeing the kid really down and what do you do to help that person, and if you don't even know why or you know i'm curious how a coach can handle that.

00:54:45.750 --> 00:54:49.260 Jerry Katzke: Right well, those are obviously always very difficult.

00:54:50.400 --> 00:55:02.070 Jerry Katzke: You know situations, I mean, I think the biggest thing that a coach can do and those kinds of situations is really to try to build up the the player's confidence.

00:55:02.790 --> 00:55:11.340 Jerry Katzke: And a lot of times those situations are cases where the player is really down on him himself, you know, for whatever.

00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:29.100 Jerry Katzke: for whatever reason, I mean sometimes it's what happened on the field, sometimes it may be, what happened at home, so I think that the biggest role that a coach can play there you know, is really to try to build up the players confidence and and and encourage them.

00:55:29.910 --> 00:55:30.300 Albert Dabah: yeah.

00:55:31.170 --> 00:55:33.300 Mark Shoenfield: yeah I think that's what I just jumped in there for a second.

00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:34.080 Albert Dabah: Third ahead.

00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:49.350 Mark Shoenfield: We lost a game one to not to the one in a championship game and I struck out with the tying run on third base and I cried after that game and I went home and Jerry called me.

00:55:51.060 --> 00:56:02.040 Mark Shoenfield: And we had a discussion and the point that I want to make is that maybe a coach is somewhat like a therapist and it's important to be there in terms of bearing witness.

00:56:02.850 --> 00:56:21.480 Mark Shoenfield: To sharing that experience, as well as being a positive role model and sometimes maybe there's nothing to do except sort of set an example and to sit and be with that person to let them know that they are not alone and that they're understood in that moment of despair.

00:56:21.780 --> 00:56:32.520 Albert Dabah: yeah yeah well I think that's a really important thing, and you said coach can you know be like a therapist well, I want to say guys, I really had a good time talking to both of you tonight and.

00:56:33.240 --> 00:56:42.600 Albert Dabah: I appreciate you being on the show and for all, you out there, if you have a chance, please check out extra innings it's on Amazon prime.

00:56:43.980 --> 00:56:58.770 Albert Dabah: it's rated very well we've had really good reviews so thanks again mark and Jerry for being on the show tonight and tune in next week again at six o'clock for extra innings covering all the bases have a good night everyone.

00:56:59.010 --> 00:56:59.460 Mark Shoenfield: Thank you.

00:57:00.120 --> 00:57:00.420 Thanks.

00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:02.250 Albert Dabah: Welcome, thank you.

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