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Facebook Live Video from 2021/03/22 - Internship Goes Well for Marty Appel

Facebook Live Video from 2021/03/22 - Internship Goes Well for Marty Appel


2021/03/22 - Internship Goes Well for Marty Appel

[NEW EPISODE] Internship Goes Well for Marty Appel

The journey of Marty Appel through his time with the New York Yankees under George Steinbrenner. 


Marty Appel is a former New York Yankees public relations director and television producer, and is today considered the leading historian on the team, having authored the team's history, Pinstripe Empire, among his 24 books.  He is an Emmy award winner, received a Gold Record (for spoken word recording), a two-time Casey Award winner (best baseball book of the year), and is in the NYS Baseball Hall of Fame, and Sports Halls of Fame for his college, his high school, and his hometown. He began his career answering Mickey Mantle's fan mail in 1968, and is the last remaining front office official from the Mantle years, the CBS ownership of the Yankees years, and the original Yankee Stadium.

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Show Notes

Segment 1

Albert introduces his guest Marty Appel. Marty started as an intern for the New York Yankees at the age of 18. His first baseball memory was seeing people dancing in the street after the Brooklyn Dodgers won the World Series. Something about that made him feel bad for the Yankees and since then he has been a lifelong fan. He got his start at the Yankees after contacting Bob Fisher asking for a summer job. Soon he was answering Mickey Mantle’s fan mail. After working there for two summers, Bob Fisher’s assistant left and Bob offered Marty the opportunity to fulfil that role. He would eventually be promoted to PR Director and is the youngest one they’ve had at age 23.

Segment 2

Marty worked as the PR Director for 5 seasons including their last season at the original Yankee’s Stadium. After the demolition of the third stadium many people say they miss the old one but Marty believes that the second was a major improvement. Albert shares some of his experiences as a child visiting the stadium and engaging in mischief. One thing that he would frequently do was tear up the grass on the field to bring with him. Marty developed a friendship with Thurman Munson and they would often share a meal before his games. After his death, Marty assisted in putting together Thurman’s biography. Marty also discusses the popularity of Mickey Mantle and how he was a television star.

Segment 3

Marty has always been a writer, even before he answered Mickey Mantle's letters. As a child he created a family newspaper called the Daily Bugle, was the sports editor for his high school newspaper, and in college he was Editor-in-Chief. A very proud moment in his career was when Marty wrote a thirty minute special for WPIX about the return to Yankee Stadium in thirty minutes. Marty has written biographies and memoirs for numerous players and in recent years he has written books that are very well received by Yankee’s fans. His best known work is Pinstripe Empire, a definitive biography of the Yankees history. In an exclusive update, Marty shares that Pinstripe Empire has been updated through the 2020 season. He completed these updates just a few weeks ago.

Segment 4

Albert shares how baseball had kept him grounded. In a poll that Marty cited two questions were asked about sports and mental health. Many fans and non fans believed that it contributed to maintaining the mental health of viewers, including those who were surveyed. Watching games is a very social and emotional experience for fans. Albert shares that he has even cried at a game because it reminded him of his youth. Baseball has helped many people get through these very difficult and uncertain times.


00:00:36.030 --> 00:00:53.610 Albert Dabah: hi there, my name is Albert dabba and I am the host of extra innings covering all the bases extra innings is a podcast show that started a few months ago, and we talk about mental health mental illness and how it affects our lives.

00:00:54.900 --> 00:01:05.790 Albert Dabah: Extra innings came from a film I made called extra innings which is now on Amazon prime and is based on the true story of my life growing up in the 1960s.

00:01:06.720 --> 00:01:18.750 Albert Dabah: On the podcast show we have guests from many phases of life, including therapists from different foundations all around the world, we have had writers on the show.

00:01:21.210 --> 00:01:36.720 Albert Dabah: People with different kinds of challenges in their life that they overcame and talked about them openly and tonight we have a very special guest named Marty a Pal now, you may have heard of his name, especially if you're a Yankee fan.

00:01:37.950 --> 00:01:45.420 Albert Dabah: Marty and I become friends over the years we meet for lunch before covered quite often.

00:01:46.770 --> 00:02:02.640 Albert Dabah: A little bit about Marty but he'll tell you the rest Marty was an intern for the New York Yankees, I believe, when he was 18 years old and from there, his life really changed and he'll tell you all about it so Marty, how are you tonight good to see you.

00:02:03.180 --> 00:02:08.010 Marty Appel: good to see you Albert missing in person, but glad we're able to do this.

00:02:08.190 --> 00:02:12.300 Albert Dabah: yeah Where are you, I see a field and back to you, it looks like.

00:02:13.770 --> 00:02:14.880 Albert Dabah: A baseball field.

00:02:15.390 --> 00:02:19.500 Marty Appel: It is it's fake I mean that's a green screen background.

00:02:19.920 --> 00:02:20.760 Albert Dabah: Okay, I think.

00:02:21.030 --> 00:02:22.890 Marty Appel: it's a photograph I took.

00:02:22.980 --> 00:02:33.990 Marty Appel: Of huggins single field in St Petersburg Florida which starting in 1925 was the spring training home of the Yankees.

00:02:34.530 --> 00:02:45.330 Marty Appel: And you can see old newsreel footage of Ruth and Gary going through their workouts down there the trees are what i'm most identify at their Australian pines.

00:02:46.050 --> 00:02:59.580 Marty Appel: And this field stayed in us up for the Yankees up until 1961 a good year for them and then the mets took over, starting in 1962.

00:03:00.300 --> 00:03:08.730 Marty Appel: By then, the teams would just use this field or workouts and play their games at allying field a few miles away.

00:03:09.600 --> 00:03:19.740 Marty Appel: But the charm of this ballpark with those trees in the background, my own childhood, I remember seeing photographs of Mickey and Roger and Bobby Richardson.

00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:34.470 Marty Appel: Working out in front of these trees and St Petersburg, so when I visited the field, I had to take the picture and all the zoom sessions, that we do created a perfect opportunity to roll it out, but.

00:03:34.980 --> 00:03:38.520 Albert Dabah: that's great that's great is the field being used now.

00:03:38.610 --> 00:03:39.570 Marty Appel: yeah there is it's.

00:03:40.050 --> 00:04:00.330 Marty Appel: used for high school and colleges down in the area, the clubhouse is still usable So when I saw kids running out from the clubhouse onto the field in my mind that was the same picture is when Casey stengel use emotion his players out of the clubhouse and onto the field.

00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:16.470 Albert Dabah: Oh wow wow Okay, is he saying Oh well, we'll get this thing Casey stengel later because For those of you who don't know Marty wrote a book on Casey stengel, which is a wonderful book but we'll get to that later so Marty, I want to ask you.

00:04:17.610 --> 00:04:29.430 Albert Dabah: How, how did you get into baseball where did you grow up and what led you into baseball I know i'm a huge baseball fan and i'm always curious how someone gets into baseball like someone like yourself.

00:04:29.640 --> 00:04:39.570 Marty Appel: Well, my parents weren't fans So for me, it was a matter of fitting in with the kids in the neighborhood I wanted to belong, and they were all fans.

00:04:40.080 --> 00:04:52.650 Marty Appel: I was born in brooklyn and my first baseball memory is actually looking out the window at people dancing in the streets on St john's place after the brooklyn dodgers and when the.

00:04:54.030 --> 00:04:59.220 Marty Appel: series now that was the only world series brooklyn dodgers ever won.

00:05:00.300 --> 00:05:12.600 Marty Appel: And in my young mind seeing these people so happy and rejoicing something about the seven year old kid made me feel bad for the Yankees decided.

00:05:13.110 --> 00:05:25.350 Marty Appel: I was going to be a Yankees fan so here, I was in brooklyn made my decision that very day that I was going to be Yankees fan, and so one could say that my whole life has been a mistake.

00:05:26.670 --> 00:05:30.210 Marty Appel: supposed to be a dodgers fan, but I was a Yankees fan.

00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:31.890 Albert Dabah: I say I say.

00:05:32.010 --> 00:05:33.480 Marty Appel: We moved to Queens.

00:05:34.650 --> 00:05:36.210 Marty Appel: My rooting interest grew.

00:05:37.410 --> 00:05:58.860 Marty Appel: When you're that age in the 50s all the baseball cards and the magazines of Mel Allen doing the Yankee games, there was so much treasure, not only in the Games themselves, but in the collectibles in the conversations in the Gary Cooper movie pride of the Yankees.

00:05:59.220 --> 00:06:03.540 Marty Appel: Right just engulfed me and I fell in love with everything Yankee.

00:06:04.470 --> 00:06:14.100 Albert Dabah: wow so you're a Yankee fan you go up the Yankee fan and somehow you'd become an intern for the New York Yankees when you were 18 is that right.

00:06:14.790 --> 00:06:25.530 Marty Appel: yeah I applied when I was 1819 summer of 67 I was now in college your cooperstown I went to State University in oneonta.

00:06:26.940 --> 00:06:27.420 Marty Appel: and

00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:44.130 Marty Appel: Something came in my head one day wasn't long planned and they just wrote a letter to the PR director of the Yankees Bob fishel asking if there was any summer job available didn't even define what I was looking for just a summer job.

00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:59.250 Marty Appel: So a couple of things were in my favor number one baseball was very out of favor with college age students back then they were discovering football and basketball and.

00:06:59.910 --> 00:07:08.730 Marty Appel: the Vietnam War was occupying a lot of people's minds, so it wasn't like there were a lot of people writing to the Yankees looking for jobs.

00:07:09.840 --> 00:07:18.270 Marty Appel: The other thing was that peachy the clubhouse man on the day my letter arrived rolled in on a Dolly.

00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:22.530 Marty Appel: about six cartons of unanswered Mickey mantle fan mail.

00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:35.610 Marty Appel: And Bob fishel being a good PR man knew those letters needed to be answered or these will potential myth fans, that would be very upset by not hearing back from Mickey.

00:07:37.140 --> 00:07:41.250 Marty Appel: So he decided he needed somebody to answer Mickey mantle's fan mail.

00:07:42.420 --> 00:07:44.580 Marty Appel: here's my letter sitting on his desk.

00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:56.220 Marty Appel: He called me in for an interview and I got hired as Mickey mantle's fan mail attendant I wasn't an intern I made $100 a week and I answered the whole leg hurts.

00:07:56.370 --> 00:08:07.920 Albert Dabah: wow so how did you answer the letters that he tell you like what to say or and how many letters was that, like how many letters, would you respond to a day how many letters did he get that's must be amazing.

00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:09.930 Marty Appel: was a few hundred a day.

00:08:10.140 --> 00:08:23.790 Marty Appel: wow but, to my surprise, they were kind of all the same, L or it's like you're Mickey you're my favorite player, please send me an autographed baseball your fan Albert they were all like that.

00:08:24.150 --> 00:08:24.930 Albert Dabah: you've read my letter.

00:08:27.090 --> 00:08:36.120 Marty Appel: So it didn't take long for me to figure out all right, how are we going to respond to this they're not going to get an autographed baseball.

00:08:36.450 --> 00:08:52.650 Marty Appel: They will get a facsimile autograph on a printed photograph of make i'll address the envelope, but I always managed to save up three or four letters that I needed to go over with them in person, so I would have some genuine facetime with no.

00:08:53.970 --> 00:08:55.950 Albert Dabah: that's all right through that but.

00:08:56.700 --> 00:09:03.060 Marty Appel: We became friends out of that process and I stayed in touch with him and I would say, we had a friendship.

00:09:04.530 --> 00:09:06.570 Marty Appel: till he died in 1995.

00:09:07.110 --> 00:09:14.610 Albert Dabah: wow can you give me a sample of like one letter that was kind of special that you wanted to talk to them about.

00:09:16.290 --> 00:09:19.710 Marty Appel: Oh, they weren't really special they were just a little different like oh.

00:09:19.740 --> 00:09:24.510 Marty Appel: yeah rotation somebody wanted him to come to their bar mitzvah.

00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.870 Albert Dabah: Oh yeah it's always my friend, Sam yeah.

00:09:29.730 --> 00:09:33.480 Marty Appel: Judging a beauty pageants which he kind of like those he would say.

00:09:36.750 --> 00:09:38.160 Marty Appel: But they were really never.

00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:52.020 Marty Appel: You know what I think what you're fishing for here is any letters that said, my son is dying and if you could visit him in the hospital, it would save his life, those are more in the movies, they weren't real so.

00:09:52.140 --> 00:09:54.720 Albert Dabah: Okay, all right so then.

00:09:56.100 --> 00:10:03.600 Albert Dabah: You answering the King man and Mickey mantle's fan his letters and then what happens next how did you.

00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:15.660 Marty Appel: So I do that for a couple years during college breaks, which are pretty long as you know, so you're kind of available late may to early September.

00:10:16.230 --> 00:10:23.700 Marty Appel: Good chunk in the baseball season, so I really felt at home there and they liked my they like me they like my knowledge of baseball.

00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:45.000 Marty Appel: And I helped them with old timers day preparations and I could be in their conversations in the lunch room because really Albert I was hired because I had a knowledge of Yankee history, I had won a scorecard contest the year before answering some trivia question.

00:10:46.110 --> 00:10:51.120 Marty Appel: Today i'm not sure I would be hired off of that today, they really are looking for.

00:10:52.560 --> 00:10:56.010 Marty Appel: Business majors marketing majors.

00:10:57.210 --> 00:11:10.830 Marty Appel: And certainly math and analytics people will run the game today, back then, they were looking for baseball people and there weren't a lot of people like me who are applying to work in major league baseball.

00:11:11.850 --> 00:11:15.390 Albert Dabah: game i'm sorry, did you did you watch baseball games.

00:11:16.020 --> 00:11:17.160 Marty Appel: Oh yeah yeah.

00:11:18.330 --> 00:11:29.850 Marty Appel: If not, on wp IX and in person, I would go a lot we lived in those days in rockland county and spring Valley, but I would get to Yankee stadium a lot.

00:11:30.990 --> 00:11:38.130 Marty Appel: And I didn't know my stuff which i'm still do today, but not as much as when I was 15 years old.

00:11:39.450 --> 00:11:40.020 Marty Appel: i'm.

00:11:41.460 --> 00:11:46.230 Marty Appel: The just the experience of being there, and knowing babe Ruth or fear to.

00:11:47.250 --> 00:11:50.730 Marty Appel: was very uplifting for me it was like the perfect place for me.

00:11:52.800 --> 00:11:57.510 Marty Appel: So I worked there two summers and then in 1970.

00:11:58.680 --> 00:12:02.760 Marty Appel: Bob officials assistant left to take the top job in Pittsburgh.

00:12:03.870 --> 00:12:13.950 Marty Appel: He offered me a chance to go with him to Pittsburgh, as his assistant, but Bob offered me a chance to take his place as his assistant, with the Yankees.

00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:20.730 Marty Appel: So I love bill guilfoyle a fellow who went to Pittsburgh, but a the Yankees.

00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:25.860 Marty Appel: I became assistant PR director at 21.

00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:47.190 Marty Appel: George steinbrenner bought the team, a couple of years later I was promoted to PR director and then Bob fishel who was by the Vice President of PR went to the American league office and I got promoted a to be the Yankees PR director, and I think all these years later.

00:12:48.780 --> 00:13:00.540 Marty Appel: i'm still the youngest to ever hold a major league PR job like that, and it was, of all things, the Yankees with the greatest media concentration and the biggest media market in the country.

00:13:01.890 --> 00:13:13.800 Marty Appel: Mr steinbrenner said you feel you're capable of doing this job and I said absolutely I learned from Bob fishel I learned from the best and then was the truth.

00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:25.380 Albert Dabah: wow alright, well, I want to hear more about your relationship with George steinbrenner because, obviously, George was a very controversial guy.

00:13:26.970 --> 00:13:39.000 Albert Dabah: And i'm sure you have plenty of stories to tell so we're gonna take a break, and when we come back we'll hear more from Marty chappelle Thank you Marty be right back.

00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:41.760 Albert Dabah: hi we're back with Marty a Pal Marty you started to talk about.

00:16:43.050 --> 00:16:50.550 Albert Dabah: You being the first you've been a PR director of the New York Yankees I think you said about age 23 is that right.

00:16:50.760 --> 00:16:51.690 Marty Appel: Yes, 23.

00:16:52.170 --> 00:16:59.490 Albert Dabah: So and George steinbrenner steinbrenner was a the owner of the New York Yankees was he in his second year, I think he said or.

00:16:59.910 --> 00:17:01.170 Marty Appel: No, it was his first year.

00:17:01.230 --> 00:17:02.340 Albert Dabah: first year first year.

00:17:02.430 --> 00:17:02.820 You know.

00:17:05.220 --> 00:17:13.980 Marty Appel: He was not that familiar with the culture of the game and what I mean when I say that is that most PR directors in the major leagues.

00:17:14.790 --> 00:17:26.940 Marty Appel: had been associated with the team for many, many years, often as sports writers covering the team, and here they and then they would cross over to become the team spokesman, and the PR director.

00:17:27.750 --> 00:17:44.070 Marty Appel: Well, he didn't know about that from other teams, so he just asked me, are you prepared for this job and I answered honestly, yes, I am because i've been learning for the last four years from Bob fishel the best in the business, so there was a.

00:17:45.810 --> 00:17:47.580 Marty Appel: In the oval office, so to speak.

00:17:48.780 --> 00:17:54.390 Albert Dabah: uh huh wow so What was your What was your first impression of George steinbrenner.

00:17:54.840 --> 00:18:02.010 Marty Appel: very positive because we had gone through a long stretch of mediocre seasons.

00:18:02.970 --> 00:18:04.770 Albert Dabah: What season is this now what year is this.

00:18:04.770 --> 00:18:08.910 Marty Appel: alyssa 73 okay I got there and 68.

00:18:10.140 --> 00:18:21.180 Marty Appel: And we never really contended for a pennant, which was the heritage of the Yankees you're always going to be in contention 60 860-970-7172 we weren't.

00:18:22.050 --> 00:18:35.100 Marty Appel: So a lot of people in the front office and the groundskeepers and the ticket people we were waiting for somebody to come along and snap this band street that the Yankees were going through.

00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:45.990 Marty Appel: And Mr steinbrenner said, all the right things about we're here to win a championship but we're going to get some good players and we're going to go out there and make a mark.

00:18:47.160 --> 00:19:00.330 Marty Appel: So everybody was really happy with his arrival I didn't give much thought to the fact that sometimes a new boss changes everybody fires everybody and hires his own people.

00:19:01.380 --> 00:19:12.300 Marty Appel: So maybe I should have given more thought to that, but I didn't and I never thought for a minute My job was in jeopardy and as it turned out, I got promoted so it was a great thing for me.

00:19:13.230 --> 00:19:15.360 Albert Dabah: Had you got promoted to.

00:19:15.600 --> 00:19:18.090 Marty Appel: assistant PR director to be your.

00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.260 Albert Dabah: writer and how long did you work as the PR director for the.

00:19:22.350 --> 00:19:31.620 Marty Appel: Like five seasons i'm, including the years that we played our last game in the original Yankee stadium.

00:19:32.820 --> 00:19:48.840 Marty Appel: got torn down and remodeled we played two years at shea I was the PR man during those years and then returned in 1976 to the totally refurbished sensational new Yankee stadium.

00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.340 Marty Appel: At the time, everybody love that new stadium.

00:19:54.810 --> 00:20:08.430 Marty Appel: And boy i've never been in a ballpark that could rock like that one could during Yankee rallies it was really thrilling yeah, but when they tore that down after the 2008 season and i'm getting way ahead here right.

00:20:08.490 --> 00:20:24.750 Marty Appel: Right people were saying all was the original stadium, I really miss that was the one with all the history so Okay, you know people can feel the way they want to feel, but the original feeling was that that Yankee stadium to was really a big improvement.

00:20:26.730 --> 00:20:31.650 Albert Dabah: When you say Yankee stadium to you're not talking about the President stadium, or you were.

00:20:31.860 --> 00:20:33.720 Marty Appel: will call it like a stadium three.

00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:43.320 Albert Dabah: Right right, so I remember when I was a kid if i'm not mistaken, the older stadium i'm talking like.

00:20:44.610 --> 00:20:53.580 Albert Dabah: The see when the Yankees played the reds was ninth was that 62 and then, no, no, in the world series when they.

00:20:53.580 --> 00:20:54.030 Albert Dabah: play what.

00:20:54.300 --> 00:20:55.230 Marty Appel: Was the wrench.

00:20:55.500 --> 00:20:57.450 Albert Dabah: Was the red 62 so.

00:20:58.110 --> 00:21:00.900 Marty Appel: 61 Albert the mantle marathon runner.

00:21:01.080 --> 00:21:08.250 Albert Dabah: Death right 61 so did it seemed like 60 to 72,000 people Am I correct said.

00:21:08.340 --> 00:21:12.000 Marty Appel: Were there were fire laws, you could squeeze event in the people.

00:21:12.210 --> 00:21:17.430 Marty Appel: Right, but they weren't really that many seats, they were just let people keep coming in.

00:21:17.790 --> 00:21:19.920 Albert Dabah: Okay cuz I remember sitting in.

00:21:22.350 --> 00:21:26.250 Albert Dabah: The game, the last two games, the Sunday Monday game at the stadium.

00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:37.800 Albert Dabah: And sitting in the bleachers in like four rows from the last row, and the last game was Columbus day and i'm correct.

00:21:38.970 --> 00:21:57.000 Albert Dabah: And I remember with a good friend of mine, we hung out in the bathrooms till everybody laughed and they were they had extra sodas fountains around and we found cups and we drank as much sodas we wanted, you know we're like 12 years old.

00:21:57.180 --> 00:22:00.120 Marty Appel: This was the beginning of your life of crime, I feel.

00:22:00.300 --> 00:22:01.860 Albert Dabah: Yes, yes okay.

00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:16.500 Albert Dabah: And then we went on the field and somehow I don't know what we do is another kid there, and one of us had a small Dean, the rubber ball and we started playing punch ball on the Yankee stadium field.

00:22:17.190 --> 00:22:26.370 Albert Dabah: And running the bases and then I even have film of this I, but I think some of the got cut off, and I remember going into the.

00:22:27.060 --> 00:22:36.060 Albert Dabah: dugout and picking up the phone and pretending I was calling the bullpen and then I had the nerve to open up the door to go to the clubhouse.

00:22:36.570 --> 00:22:40.860 Albert Dabah: And they opened up slowly slowly slowly and then someone said hey who's that.

00:22:41.430 --> 00:22:52.140 Albert Dabah: And man, did we take off and we ran you know how centerfield was the you could exit centerfield at that time, so we ran to Center field, and that was our experience but.

00:22:52.650 --> 00:23:01.740 Albert Dabah: We and I always used to tear up grass shouldn't say that but, as I would leave through Yankee stadium, and when you go out through the stadium, and I used to save the grass, but.

00:23:01.800 --> 00:23:04.500 Marty Appel: You know I do after turn you in at this point.

00:23:04.950 --> 00:23:07.290 Albert Dabah: Alright, just let me know when and i'll.

00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:16.920 Albert Dabah: give up my baseball's that they used to catch on ice ago before the game and batting practice and there was one time I quit two balls and batting practice is.

00:23:17.130 --> 00:23:30.480 Marty Appel: The idea and the shocks, a lot of people, but if you look at old films, you see people would exit across the outfield and through the doors out where the monuments fire and deep Center field.

00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:31.860 Albert Dabah: And it's.

00:23:31.890 --> 00:23:35.130 Marty Appel: shocks people that left me can walk on the field.

00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.170 Marty Appel: should be kept you off the.

00:23:37.170 --> 00:23:44.700 Marty Appel: infield but they encourage you to come onto the field and walk across the outfield you could go right up to the monuments and see them.

00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:56.010 Albert Dabah: yeah no I remember that really well, I remember that so well so you're the PR director for the Yankees and what happens after that, in your career.

00:23:57.180 --> 00:24:01.980 Marty Appel: Well, I don't want to leave that too soon to just watch some of the highlights.

00:24:02.040 --> 00:24:03.000 Albert Dabah: Work yeah.

00:24:03.330 --> 00:24:04.920 Albert Dabah: Let me hear all the highlights.

00:24:05.190 --> 00:24:10.590 Marty Appel: There weren't a lot of highlights until we one in 76 in the new stadium and.

00:24:10.590 --> 00:24:11.070 Albert Dabah: return.

00:24:11.130 --> 00:24:15.510 Marty Appel: World series after 12 years Chris chambliss as home run.

00:24:15.990 --> 00:24:18.540 Albert Dabah: I was at that game yeah playoffs yeah.

00:24:19.230 --> 00:24:20.340 Marty Appel: But before that.

00:24:21.360 --> 00:24:33.450 Marty Appel: i'm the emergence of Bobby mercer and thurman munson has big stars on the team munson was signed and 68, which was the first year I was doing mickey's fan mail.

00:24:34.170 --> 00:24:44.130 Marty Appel: And so, our careers kind of parallel to each other and when he reached the major leagues in 1970 we were the same age we were almost making the same salary.

00:24:44.760 --> 00:25:03.990 Marty Appel: And we became friends, we go to lunch often sometimes if he'd arrive early for a night game we'd go out for lunch with the drone cafeteria across the streets and a friendship grew from that and then later on, after he became a big Star and won a world series and became captain.

00:25:05.100 --> 00:25:15.600 Marty Appel: I approached him to ask him if he was interested in read doing an auto biography which is pretty common for sports heroes, especially in New York, you went to big award like that.

00:25:16.530 --> 00:25:23.640 Marty Appel: So he was still in his 20s and he was reluctant to do it because he just didn't feel he lived a full life yet.

00:25:25.650 --> 00:25:26.610 Marty Appel: irony to that.

00:25:27.060 --> 00:25:36.450 Marty Appel: Right, so we did the auto biography together you withheld a lot, you have a troubled childhood needed to really want to dig too deeply into that.

00:25:38.550 --> 00:25:41.130 Marty Appel: That came out in 1978.

00:25:42.390 --> 00:25:55.590 Marty Appel: In 79 for those who don't know the story tragically you learn to fly his own plane, so he could go home to Ohio after games to be with his family.

00:25:56.730 --> 00:26:02.940 Marty Appel: And he moved up to a jet and it was too much plane for him and he crashed and died.

00:26:04.260 --> 00:26:17.070 Marty Appel: So that was an awful tragedy and then 30 years later, my editor at Doubleday books asked me if i'd be interested in writing a full blown thurman munson biography.

00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:24.840 Marty Appel: which will, of course, include the plane crash in the aftermath and dig a little deeper into his troubled childhood.

00:26:25.650 --> 00:26:44.430 Marty Appel: So we did that that was very well received by Yankee fans and munson's own fans of which they are legion at any game to go to now all these years later they're still 4050 people wearing munson T shirts it's an amazing thing to see.

00:26:45.570 --> 00:26:48.450 Marty Appel: So the friendship was with munson was important.

00:26:50.460 --> 00:27:00.510 Marty Appel: The two years of shea stadium with bill burden as manager and then hiring billy Martin who had long been in exile, to come back and manage was significant.

00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:14.670 Marty Appel: and going back almost to the beginning Mickey mantle's retirement day in 1969 was very significant because it was a beautiful day a beautiful event in mid June.

00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:32.580 Marty Appel: And I think anybody who was there, or watched on TV and the whole thing is on YouTube Mickey mantle day from 1969 oh would still be filled with tears seeing this great hero of the 50s saying goodbye.

00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:34.950 Marty Appel: So once for.

00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.770 Marty Appel: Mickey mantle and a lot of people don't think of.

00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.940 Marty Appel: He was baseball's first TV star.

00:27:43.530 --> 00:27:59.040 Marty Appel: Everybody was buying TVs in the 50s and he was in the world series 12 times in his first 14 years wow so he was on the NBC fall schedule like bonanza this you could always count on it.

00:27:59.310 --> 00:28:17.580 Marty Appel: yeah and that with his good looks and his power and being a switch hitter it just created such a Legion of fans for Mickey mantle I used to go home at night and go Mickey mantle knows my name I couldn't believe it yeah that kind of aura and mystique around him.

00:28:18.090 --> 00:28:22.920 Albert Dabah: yeah well Mickey mantle is a legend in his time and I do remember the old stadium when.

00:28:23.310 --> 00:28:29.580 Albert Dabah: You know, obviously they didn't have tell televisions in the bathrooms or anywhere around and you'd be in the bathroom right.

00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:36.120 Albert Dabah: And they would say mantels up, and it was the everybody ran out of the bathroom I mean you had to see his.

00:28:36.630 --> 00:28:44.220 Albert Dabah: Even when he struck out and you'd see him on his knees, at times, you know whether it was left handed or right handed you just saw a mantle at the plate.

00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:49.200 Albert Dabah: So we'll be back and and in a minute and talk more about.

00:28:49.980 --> 00:29:00.600 Albert Dabah: Yankee baseball and your experiences and what I do want to touch upon when we come back, as you said that US munson about writing his autobiography so I want to talk to you about your writing and.

00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:08.730 Albert Dabah: How that came up for you at that particular time so we'll be right back with Marty a Pal as I call him, Mr baseball Thank you.

00:31:55.770 --> 00:32:04.710 Albert Dabah: hi we're back with Marty Pal who work with the New York Yankees and Marty, you were just talking to me about how you had asked.

00:32:05.310 --> 00:32:14.100 Albert Dabah: thurman munson to ride his autobiography so where did writing coming in your life, how did you get to that point that you had that.

00:32:14.550 --> 00:32:24.960 Albert Dabah: Well, that you felt, you had the experience even do that when you were a writer, I mean I know you responded to Mickey mantle's letters so tell me about the writing part of yourself.

00:32:25.590 --> 00:32:38.430 Marty Appel: That was always there Albert even as a little kid in brooklyn I started doing a family newspaper the Daily bugle and I would highlight events in our little lapel family life.

00:32:39.150 --> 00:32:47.340 Marty Appel: But in high school and college both I was sports editor of a newspaper The school newspaper in college, the editor in chief.

00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:49.290 Marty Appel: And I think.

00:32:50.310 --> 00:32:57.600 Marty Appel: had I not gotten that break to go to the Yankees I might have gone on to law school, which is a lot of writing if you're a lawyer.

00:32:58.890 --> 00:33:10.080 Marty Appel: So it was always there and i'm fortunate that it comes fairly easily to me I write a lot of things in one take one draft I did a.

00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:24.780 Marty Appel: We had a 30 minute TV special on wp IX about returning to Yankee stadium in 1976 the new stadium, and we were going to do a 30 minute special with mail island hosting it.

00:33:26.430 --> 00:33:34.650 Marty Appel: And I said, can I take a shot at writing it and I sat down and wrote this 30 minute special in 30 minutes.

00:33:34.950 --> 00:33:44.640 Marty Appel: wow really 22 minutes of commercials but I knew mel's voice in my head and I just wrote it as I could hear mail saying it.

00:33:45.330 --> 00:33:53.790 Marty Appel: And then was, like the greatest satisfaction and be able to do that, so I did a book before munson I did a book on all the baseball hall of Famers.

00:33:54.690 --> 00:34:17.460 Marty Appel: which was a huge project 150 plus hall of Famers at the time, I did 1500 word biographies on each of them, but then came the munson book and a few others in that period, I did a biography of a 19th century player called slide Kelly slide about the first matinee idol in baseball history.

00:34:19.710 --> 00:34:26.400 Marty Appel: And I collaborated with baseball Commissioner buoy cumin on his memoir called hardball.

00:34:27.150 --> 00:34:45.000 Marty Appel: which was a very important baseball book, because it really covered 17 years of great upheaval and change and free agency and all of that in major league baseball so I thought of myself as a writer, I never really thought of it as having a second job, but it was.

00:34:46.050 --> 00:34:55.500 Marty Appel: And in recent years i've turned out some books that were very well received by sports fans and Yankee fans, a lot of satisfaction comes with that.

00:34:55.890 --> 00:35:05.280 Marty Appel: And it was my son, who said, you know dad you've had two jobs, all these years and I never actually thought of it like that I just thought of it as almost as a hobby.

00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:09.000 Albert Dabah: Right and was your latest book, the one on Casey stengel.

00:35:12.570 --> 00:35:29.520 Marty Appel: Casey stengel biography there aren't that many people from the old days that a lot of thousands and thousands of people want to read books about Casey was one There was also the idea of my editor at Doubleday same one who did the month of the month and idea.

00:35:30.660 --> 00:35:36.660 Marty Appel: When he first came to me about Casey stengel I was like how about a dual biography of Casey and yogi together.

00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:41.730 Marty Appel: And he said no people, just like it have one dilutes it if it's too.

00:35:43.350 --> 00:35:50.370 Marty Appel: And I got very lucky, because there have been a classic Casey stengel biography written by Robert creamer a friend.

00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:58.410 Marty Appel: and his book was in the early 80s and it was a wonderful book.

00:35:59.490 --> 00:36:03.540 Marty Appel: But by the time I started writing Casey in 2010.

00:36:04.890 --> 00:36:11.070 Marty Appel: um there were things open to me that had not been open to him, thanks to the Internet.

00:36:12.930 --> 00:36:19.740 Marty Appel: there's a website called my newspaper called newspapers COM simple name like that.

00:36:21.180 --> 00:36:35.400 Marty Appel: And they have digitize the entire runs of newspapers from all over the country well, so I could go to kankakee Illinois the daily newspaper, there were Casey broken in.

00:36:37.470 --> 00:36:41.640 Marty Appel: And search for Dutch stangl which was his nickname then.

00:36:43.020 --> 00:37:03.960 Marty Appel: And I got all these long lost all these long lost anecdotes that were not available to Bob creamer so I come up with like 50 or 60 brand new Casey stories well fund and then his family, who I knew call one day grand grand Nice.

00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:05.760 Marty Appel: And said.

00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:16.470 Marty Appel: We have an unpublished memoir by casey's wife that she did in 1958, would you be interested in that wow.

00:37:17.520 --> 00:37:18.210 Albert Dabah: that's great.

00:37:18.450 --> 00:37:35.910 Marty Appel: That was a great phone call, so I had these tools available to me, and it created a whole fresh look at Casey stengel I don't know if there's anybody else left that merits a full blown popular national biography.

00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:44.160 Marty Appel: would name some people, and I would tell you already been done already been done already been done so, in a sense, I might be done with that genre.

00:37:45.330 --> 00:37:46.830 Marty Appel: Doing Casey was great.

00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:50.310 Marty Appel: before him, I did.

00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:53.520 Marty Appel: A book called pinstripe empire.

00:37:53.670 --> 00:37:58.530 Albert Dabah: yeah i've read that when I met you, you gave me that book to read yeah I remember that.

00:37:58.590 --> 00:38:06.480 Marty Appel: Oh that's been come has come to be seen as the definitive history of the Yankees all the way back to 1903.

00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:15.540 Marty Appel: And I have some good news that hasn't been announced, yet, but i'll share with you in your audience here in that.

00:38:17.130 --> 00:38:27.150 Marty Appel: We just finished updating it so it takes us through the 2020 season, and it will be updated digitally on the ebook version.

00:38:27.930 --> 00:38:28.230 Marty Appel: Of.

00:38:28.560 --> 00:38:34.770 Marty Appel: People who bought the original book, I think, would love to know that it's up to date, now through 2020.

00:38:35.670 --> 00:38:38.010 Albert Dabah: wow when did you finish them when did you.

00:38:38.160 --> 00:38:39.630 Marty Appel: Complete literally weeks ago.

00:38:40.110 --> 00:38:47.430 Albert Dabah: Oh wow that's fantastic so you must hear a guy who loves to do research, I imagine, and baseball.

00:38:47.730 --> 00:38:53.250 Marty Appel: yeah i'm doing research I got a remarkable library here at home.

00:38:55.140 --> 00:38:55.620 Marty Appel: i've got.

00:38:56.910 --> 00:39:11.340 Marty Appel: The primary reference books for baseball are always the annual baseball guide who's who in baseball the baseball register world series annual programs I got all of these things back to the beginning.

00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.860 Marty Appel: it's it's love research and I love having it at my fingertips.

00:39:17.910 --> 00:39:25.410 Albert Dabah: Now, then you became the on wp IX you became a producer of the show is that right.

00:39:25.620 --> 00:39:26.760 Marty Appel: executive producer.

00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.160 Albert Dabah: You do so, so how did that come about.

00:39:29.790 --> 00:39:44.610 Marty Appel: um I had left the Yankees and 77 and dabbled in a couple of other things, and then wp IX needed a PR director justice, the Yankees had a decade earlier.

00:39:46.080 --> 00:39:50.700 Marty Appel: I knew the peep the people at P IX because, of course, they carried all the Yankee games.

00:39:50.850 --> 00:39:52.350 Albert Dabah: That was channel 11 and.

00:39:52.590 --> 00:40:03.630 Marty Appel: 1111 alive right so i'm the president of the station wonderful man named live Pope hired me to do PR for the whole station.

00:40:04.290 --> 00:40:12.780 Marty Appel: And a few years later don carney who had been the executive producer retired and he said i'd like to add that to your.

00:40:13.290 --> 00:40:23.940 Marty Appel: to your portfolio you'd be still be the station's PR director, and in addition executive producer of the telecasts so that was great.

00:40:24.720 --> 00:40:35.160 Marty Appel: People don't always know what an executive producer is it's really kind of like the business job you hire the people you hire the equipment, the trucks on the road, the.

00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:44.370 Marty Appel: production facilities you're not really at the game standing over the shoulder of the director was john Moore who still does it.

00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:55.740 Marty Appel: So for me it was another extension of my knowledge of television and I had to say as much as I loved working for the Yankees.

00:40:57.240 --> 00:41:05.280 Marty Appel: The broadcast industry was just fascinating too much to me so much bigger and more complex than I ever realized.

00:41:05.850 --> 00:41:19.950 Marty Appel: and learning all the things about broadcast TV and you think about the things of station is involved with news and sales and Community affairs and community service programming and.

00:41:20.670 --> 00:41:33.240 Marty Appel: We would do a thing called ascertainment then when you go out in the Community, you talk to community leaders to say what's on your mind, so we could do programs, based on what was on the minds of new Yorkers.

00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:48.390 Marty Appel: And they were so there are so many organizations, he will remember, have you had to understand the difference between network stations and independent stations, which was a big deal at the time before the CW.

00:41:49.230 --> 00:42:00.300 Marty Appel: came along, so a tremendous education for me still young enough to learn it all and those were Maybe my best years professionally I loved working in television.

00:42:00.870 --> 00:42:02.100 Albert Dabah: How long did you eat an apple.

00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.120 Marty Appel: I did that, until 1992.

00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:10.140 Marty Appel: When we kind of lost the Games to cable.

00:42:12.180 --> 00:42:24.030 Marty Appel: Cable picked up most of the Games and then picked up so much that they were going to produce even the games that were still on channel 11 with their people in their equipment.

00:42:25.110 --> 00:42:34.740 Marty Appel: So we it was time to go, but I got another cool job after that, which was doing PR for the Atlanta Olympics, the 96 Olympics.

00:42:35.430 --> 00:42:37.350 Albert Dabah: Oh, I remember you tell me about that.

00:42:37.410 --> 00:42:47.640 Marty Appel: No, I moved to Atlanta got a taste of the whole world of Olympics, when it came back to New York, I worked for topps baseball card company.

00:42:48.480 --> 00:43:04.200 Marty Appel: Was sort of like going back to my childhood, it was great and then ultimately started Marty apparel public relations my own company, where I had an opportunity to do PR for a lot of special things in my life, like the sporting news.

00:43:06.090 --> 00:43:08.700 Marty Appel: Just a lot of things that had touched my career along.

00:43:08.700 --> 00:43:12.960 Albert Dabah: very disappointing news the newspaper right, that is, that still around.

00:43:13.830 --> 00:43:15.630 Marty Appel: Only in a digital form.

00:43:15.870 --> 00:43:25.200 Marty Appel: Okay long removed from its roots in St Louis and the time at the time, though people familiar with variety for show business.

00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:37.080 Marty Appel: Sporting news was the variety, for the sports world particularly baseball it was called the Bible of baseball I had a good fan, you had to read the sporting news every week.

00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:45.270 Albert Dabah: yeah No, I do remember the sporting news, it was like like you said I was open up the newspaper and and and all the news about sports.

00:43:45.870 --> 00:44:04.380 Albert Dabah: Well, when we come back from a break i'd like to touch upon you had sent me a poll from Seton hall about how Kovac has affected as sports effects covert or covert to fake sports anywhere, we want to look at it and talk about that.

00:44:05.850 --> 00:44:16.560 Albert Dabah: Well Marty you've had so many different careers in your life it's a great hearing about them all and and sharing it with everyone so we'll be right back with Marty chappelle Thank you.

00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:19.110 For listening to.

00:44:23.370 --> 00:44:23.850 ke.

00:46:33.930 --> 00:46:36.180 Albert Dabah: hi we're back with Marty a Pal.

00:46:37.620 --> 00:46:38.250 Albert Dabah: Marty.

00:46:39.720 --> 00:46:49.200 Albert Dabah: We were talking about we just left off talking about sporting news and you're writing and writing 24 baseball books um.

00:46:49.650 --> 00:46:59.040 Albert Dabah: You know, one of the things I wanted to mention is like i've been a baseball fan and wanted to be a baseball player like we talked earlier than everybody, you know.

00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:10.710 Albert Dabah: I was a big Yankee fan I got I got I really realized when I did the movie extra innings I realized how much I got baseball from my older brother, even though he didn't talk much when he talked to me.

00:47:11.520 --> 00:47:19.170 Albert Dabah: Like as you see, in the film he talks very little, but he would be very passionately talking about baseball and he talked about.

00:47:20.250 --> 00:47:26.100 Albert Dabah: You know, he was ill, but he talked about the old baseball even before his time about babe Ruth and ty cobb and.

00:47:26.520 --> 00:47:36.450 Albert Dabah: And that always made me think babe Ruth ty cobb well I heard those names and you know ty cobb sliding in high, and I remember seeing the movie about ty cobb and loved it and.

00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:53.040 Albert Dabah: And you know the babe Ruth movie and you know there's such a lot more about baseball and you know I became a sports fan, and you know, mostly football and basketball but baseball was always my top thing and I played some college baseball.

00:47:54.210 --> 00:48:07.020 Albert Dabah: And I you know I played up until maybe, six, seven years ago and adult baseball leagues in Florida and played in stadiums in the spring, training stadiums when the major league teams went back home in April play.

00:48:07.770 --> 00:48:18.570 Albert Dabah: um but i'm bringing this up, because as a you know, a player or a fan uh you know sports can give you so much.

00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:28.560 Albert Dabah: Commercial camaraderie with people it's a social thing I mean obviously there's betting on games, but for people who are just really love the game.

00:48:28.890 --> 00:48:40.470 Albert Dabah: and talk about it and follow a game, and you had sent me a poll from Seton Hall, as I told you, the show deals with mental health, but not just mental health, but this has to do with.

00:48:40.980 --> 00:48:52.920 Albert Dabah: You know, mental health in general, like for me baseball grounded me it, you know I don't know where I would have been without it and, and I know I got that, from my brother and.

00:48:54.030 --> 00:49:02.010 Albert Dabah: So I wanted to ask you about this poll that you sent me that came up from Seton Hall, if you can tell it tell me a little bit about it.

00:49:02.340 --> 00:49:13.650 Marty Appel: And baseball very much grounded me and enabled me as a first generation fan to fit in with the other kids in my neighborhood that was important to me as a child.

00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:32.160 Marty Appel: One of my PR clients, I mentioned the sporting news earlier and other one is Seton hall university does a sports poll they've been doing it since 2006 they do about six or seven a year and I have done their PR ever since it began.

00:49:33.180 --> 00:49:37.710 Marty Appel: So, in the current poll, which was just concluded last Monday.

00:49:38.940 --> 00:49:44.340 Marty Appel: They asked two questions about sports importance in terms of the mental health of the nation.

00:49:46.020 --> 00:49:47.430 Marty Appel: The first question was.

00:49:49.050 --> 00:49:57.360 Marty Appel: Do you think that sports has contributed to the mental health of most Americans during this pandemic.

00:49:58.530 --> 00:50:14.790 Marty Appel: and of the general population 39% said yes, but that includes non sports fans among sports fans 47% said yes and among avid fans 73% felt had had contributed.

00:50:15.690 --> 00:50:16.200 Marty Appel: And I think.

00:50:16.230 --> 00:50:36.570 Marty Appel: And this is another question on get to, but when we were doing these questions, I was thinking of the USO during World War Two or President Roosevelt telling judge landis keep playing it's a morale booster for people at home and even for our fighting forces overseas.

00:50:37.620 --> 00:50:45.870 Marty Appel: We asked the same question about your personally has it affected your mental health, the continuation of sports.

00:50:47.310 --> 00:51:02.220 Marty Appel: Of the general population 33% said it had, but of course that includes people who aren't sports fans Mon sports fans 51% said that sports continuing on has.

00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:28.410 Marty Appel: helped their mental health and among avid fans 69% so I know for me once I think golf was the first sport that kind of resumed last spring i'm a big golf fan and just watch golf on a Sunday afternoon on those beautiful courses was very relaxing to me there really was a tonic.

00:51:29.490 --> 00:51:39.810 Marty Appel: And then baseball and football and basketball and hockey came along, and my gosh they were so important to me as a sports fan.

00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:47.220 Marty Appel: To just see the continuation of these important cultural events on the American landscape.

00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:50.610 Marty Appel: So it was an interesting question.

00:51:51.450 --> 00:51:54.600 Marty Appel: I was pleased to see that it really had an impact.

00:51:55.590 --> 00:52:01.440 Albert Dabah: yeah I know I when I was watching baseball during this past season.

00:52:02.370 --> 00:52:18.810 Albert Dabah: You know it's like learning how to adapt to situations and obviously it's been a year now, since this covert virus has been around and it's changed so many lives and so many people have passed on and and in the whole world and.

00:52:20.970 --> 00:52:27.750 Albert Dabah: I remember you know and talking to other friends about it, you know kind of judging well it doesn't feel the same.

00:52:28.110 --> 00:52:34.440 Albert Dabah: And then you start getting used to it, because you don't you know you've seen placards of people and then you're seeing some real people.

00:52:34.830 --> 00:52:48.900 Albert Dabah: And it kept changing a little bit and you're hearing fake applause, and all this different things, but you're watching the game and you're actually seeing them play and I never forget, when the world series was over.

00:52:50.850 --> 00:53:12.390 Albert Dabah: It just seemed like it was like a regular world series like the excitement was there, the the players verb you know whooping it up going crazy and I love that because you saw that the competitive nature of the game was still there, and there were people watching and.

00:53:13.500 --> 00:53:20.400 Albert Dabah: My son went to a Miami heat game he's in Florida, and I think I told you just got married and he's lives in Fort lauderdale.

00:53:21.060 --> 00:53:30.630 Albert Dabah: And he went with his wife sorry it's funny to say that now, as he married week but they went Saturday night to Miami heat game any facetime me from the game.

00:53:31.230 --> 00:53:36.000 Albert Dabah: And I said so what's the deal, how are they doing it there, he goes there only allowing 3000 people.

00:53:36.570 --> 00:53:47.160 Albert Dabah: And you will and they're only season ticket holders and you can eat or drink, you have to wear a mask in the arena.

00:53:47.700 --> 00:54:00.120 Albert Dabah: And you if you want to eat or drink, something you have to go I guess you know into the concession area or something like that, but it was still a game, and you know, he said it was fun, it was just felt so different.

00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:15.930 Albert Dabah: But I think that's the beauty of it is that the game goes on, and I, like the comparison to you know World War Two of keeping the morale up, and I think it's so important to.

00:54:17.250 --> 00:54:34.500 Albert Dabah: Have I sports has been such an integral part of my life, as I know, it has been in your life, and you know it's like you can start a conversation with someone who you don't even know or you were Yankee hat and someone's today Yankees you know.

00:54:36.210 --> 00:54:39.690 Marty Appel: walk down the street in Europe, and people are wearing Yankee caps.

00:54:39.750 --> 00:54:48.510 Albert Dabah: yeah and it's so cool, I know, and I know and it's like you know you're you belong to something and I am I get very emotional I get.

00:54:48.900 --> 00:55:08.160 Albert Dabah: When I go to Yankee games and there's a game, you know when they're honoring someone and all the players come out and my kids look at me I go you're crying dad and I go yeah you know I tried to wipe the tears away, but for me it brings back my youth it brings back the memories.

00:55:09.780 --> 00:55:21.000 Albert Dabah: i've been to so many games, where you know i've been to old timers games and special days when you know they're honoring someone, and I find it i'm.

00:55:21.570 --> 00:55:25.980 Albert Dabah: Just so exhilarating and you know, and then, when the new Yankee stadium came.

00:55:26.550 --> 00:55:37.890 Albert Dabah: And people were saying it doesn't sound the same and all that well yeah it doesn't sound the same, but when when when there's the big game there, it sounds the same it's there that excitement is there rocks you know.

00:55:40.050 --> 00:55:56.220 Albert Dabah: So I think you know I I love when I first met you and you gave me the book The pinstripe empire, I said, it is a real is a real baseball fan and i'm really Yankee fan and we've talked a lot about baseball on other things as well and.

00:55:56.790 --> 00:56:00.420 Marty Appel: We bonded immediately, because that was the common thing right there.

00:56:00.720 --> 00:56:05.550 Albert Dabah: yeah yeah it's you know you could speak to anyone about a game and.

00:56:06.210 --> 00:56:16.740 Albert Dabah: You know, like your friends and I bought two games by myself if I couldn't get anyone to go with, and you know the next thing I know what i'm talking to the guy next to me and we're getting into conversations about you know players and.

00:56:17.550 --> 00:56:21.390 Albert Dabah: You know i'll say no that's not true that's not exactly what happened, or whatever.

00:56:22.230 --> 00:56:32.220 Albert Dabah: And then i'll hear stories that I never heard before you know this guy who lives in nebraska lives next to this baseball player no really he was like that growing up, you know, so I heard all kinds of stories.

00:56:33.270 --> 00:56:38.940 Albert Dabah: Anyway, Marty it's been really, really great to have you on the show we have to get together soon.

00:56:39.570 --> 00:56:40.800 Albert Dabah: or yeah.

00:56:41.010 --> 00:56:42.450 Marty Appel: Having me was great.

00:56:42.690 --> 00:56:50.400 Albert Dabah: yeah Thank you so much for being here and sharing your stories with the with the audience and we'll get together one day soon.

00:56:51.330 --> 00:56:52.260 Marty Appel: look forward to it.

00:56:52.350 --> 00:57:03.120 Albert Dabah: All right, be well thanks so much and we'll see you again next week at extra innings covering all the bases Thank you so much folks for joining us and we'll be here next Monday at six o'clock.

00:57:04.170 --> 00:57:04.800 Albert Dabah: Have a good night.

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