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Monday, February 22, 2021
Facebook Live Video from 2021/02/22 - The Pursuit of Saving Lives with Dr. Dan Reidenberg

Facebook Live Video from 2021/02/22 - The Pursuit of Saving Lives with Dr. Dan Reidenberg


2021/02/22 - The Pursuit of Saving Lives with Dr. Dan Reidenberg

[NEW EPISODE] The Pursuit of Saving Lives with Dr. Dan Reidenberg

Dr. Dan Reidenberg is an executive director at SAVE (Suicide Awareness, Voices of Education), a mental health expert, and was named a "Champion of Change" by the Obama Administration in 2011 for his work on suicide prevention. Through SAVE, Dr. Reidenberg has also been a fiscal partner for Albert's film Extra Innings, which tells Albert's story of growing up as a survivor of suicides by members of his family.

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Show Notes

Segment 1

Albert Dabah introduces tonight's special guest Dr. Dan Reidenberg and also the title of tonight's special title “ The Pursuit of Saving Lives.” Dr. Dan is an executive director of SAVE (Suicide Awareness, Voices of Education), a mental health expert, and was named a "Champion of Change" by the Obama Administration in 2011 for his work on suicide prevention. Dr. Dan got involved in suicide prevention because he always wanted to be a doctor. Dr. Dan Reidenberg got a psychology degree. While working as a psychologist Dr. Dan lost 6 patients. Dr. Dan shared his first experience with Dr. Georgeann and the audience worked as a mental health provider and he mentioned that it was really painful and hurtful because the man ended up shooting himself while he was on the phone with him. Before the section ended Dr. Dan uttered that we have to keep trying and that we have to keep fighting.

Segment 2

Why do people don’t like talking about suicide? Albert asks Dr. Dan. Dr. Dan responds back by saying misunderstanding, misperceptions, old history are the reasons why society do not like speaking about suicide. If you are Catholic and you died over suicide you will not be burried in a Catholic sementary, Dr. Dan mentioned. Albert tells the audience the and Dr. Dan that his older sister that is 5 years old older than him and has 7 kids did not wanted him to released his film “ Extra Innings” because later on in the future her kids would see what really happened due to what happened to their family over suicide. Dr. Dan is comparing the suicide rates there has been around the world. For example Dr. Dan states that in India it’s a quarter percent of where suicide happen. Dr. Dan and his crew are trying to build campaigns around the world to help prevent suicide.

Segment 3

Prejudice comes from the fear people have of what’s the truth and what’s really going on, Albert uttered. Dr. Dan remarks that mental illness is something real and that is happening in real life that the society does not want to believe in. The brain is the last organ we want to fully investigate and map out because that is where all the connections happen, Dr. Dan and Albert remarks. There was a research that if you smash the front part of your brain, it will make them function normally. If we don’t continue to contribute and to help there would way more suicides, Dr. Dan mentioned. Dr. Dan remarks that we moved into a world where we want a quick fix. But in order for the quick fix to occur we need to sleep right, eat right, interact in positive manners etc.

Segment 4

How has Covid-19 affected the United States and mental illness? Albert asks Dr. Dan. “ It’s being a challenge for everyone around the world because we are wired to socialize.” Dr. Dan stated. Early February and late March last year was society’s first fear. And the first fear was if you were going to get Covid-19 or not. The second fear was if I don’t get Covid-19 will my family members or friends get it. The third fear society had was what will happen to my job, how am I going to pay my bills, how am I going to pay for my personal expenses. These were the fears society feared about the past year and maybe until now Dr. Dan remarks. This year and the next couple of years suicide rates across the world will increase due to unemployment, depression, and poverty Dr. Dan discusses with Albert. You could reach Dr. Reidenberg and his crew at


00:00:43.980 --> 00:00:57.090 Albert Dabah: hi there, my name is Albert dabba I am a therapist certified life coach and film producer and welcome to the podcast show of extra innings covering all the bases.

00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:16.560 Albert Dabah: Tonight we will discuss a subject that is not favorite subject for people to talk about part is extremely important, and that is the stigma of mental illness and how anxiety depression and suicide suicide affects everyone's life.

00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:33.510 Albert Dabah: Extra innings actually began as a film project that I produced through my production company Simba productions, I wrote it directed it and act in it as well extra innings cannot be seen on Amazon prime.

00:01:34.650 --> 00:01:51.870 Albert Dabah: Tonight we have with us with us, Dr Dan rotenberg from save, save stands for suicide awareness voices of education is based in Minnesota and we are really proud to have Dr Dan with us tonight, Dr Dan Ryan Barry how are you.

00:01:52.530 --> 00:01:58.080 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: i'm well thanks it's great to see your Albert it's great to be here i'm excited about this, our.

00:01:58.590 --> 00:02:07.980 Albert Dabah: Great great um I met Dan I don't know, several years ago we called up men several mental health places who.

00:02:08.430 --> 00:02:18.180 Albert Dabah: Work with us on the film as a fiscal partner, and we had a nice talk over the phone we sent him the script he came to the studio the next week, he happened to be in New York, we talked.

00:02:18.450 --> 00:02:28.110 Albert Dabah: He said he loved the script he felt it was really authentic he spoke to his board and they went ahead and became our fiscal partner which helped us extremely and it really validated for me.

00:02:28.590 --> 00:02:38.640 Albert Dabah: All the time that I spent on the script writing it script is based on my family growing up in brooklyn in the 1960s and what happened to my family, which included.

00:02:39.720 --> 00:02:52.020 Albert Dabah: Two suicides taken of my siblings taking their lives so Dr Dan, can you tell us how did you get involved in a field of suicide prevention.

00:02:53.610 --> 00:03:00.870 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: yeah sure hi he started, because I always really wanted to be a doctor and from the time I was very young, I wanted to be.

00:03:01.290 --> 00:03:13.020 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: A doctor I originally wanted to be a cardiologist but and say went through high school I enjoyed talking with people and side of that psychology was a better route for me, although when I got into.

00:03:13.860 --> 00:03:26.670 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: college, I was pre MED, because I was really going to go the route of psychiatry but then I started thinking that's okay too it's only prescribed medications they don't spend enough time talking to patients, but as I wanted to.

00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:33.600 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: So I went back to psychology and got my degree and over the course of that time I.

00:03:35.160 --> 00:03:43.560 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: I worked with a lot of people, I had a private practice I worked in hospitals and clinics, I did a lot with the court system and commitment.

00:03:44.790 --> 00:03:52.770 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: and worked with a lot of people that were really struggling and really ill and during that time I I lost six patients of mine to suicide.

00:03:53.460 --> 00:04:07.560 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And that that has a big effect on on me, at the same time I lost a good friend of mine We grew up together, we were a year old when both my family, his family moved into the neighborhood where we grew up.

00:04:08.640 --> 00:04:18.420 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: He took his life when we were in college and I will never forget the last time that I was with him and saw him at the university.

00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:27.090 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: So I have these kind of personal connections to it and I had professional connections to it and.

00:04:27.900 --> 00:04:40.350 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: It was a field suicide is a field that not many people going through there's no courses and there's no degree programs in this and it's a challenge it's a very difficult field to be in.

00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:47.730 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: there's there's not a lot no net not nearly as much as we need to know and that challenge was of interest to me.

00:04:48.840 --> 00:04:56.790 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: So i'm getting involved came from a lot of different angles, not just the challenge and the desire to make a difference, but.

00:04:57.810 --> 00:05:00.870 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Personal experience and professional experience with with it.

00:05:02.070 --> 00:05:06.780 Albert Dabah: So in getting involved, he said, you got into professionally and.

00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:14.790 Albert Dabah: You know, having clients who have taken their life, how did you react to that and first.

00:05:15.750 --> 00:05:37.410 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: So, so the very first time I got involved with in the field of mental health is a 19 years old and I signed up to work on a crisis line and I went through the training a year long training and I was always eager I was excited I couldn't wait to get started, and this was a dream of mine.

00:05:38.820 --> 00:05:48.240 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And I got to that very first night and my very first shift, and I am I they'd asked me when I wanted to work, and I said what's the busiest night, you have.

00:05:48.660 --> 00:06:07.050 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And this was during the days of moonlighting, you might remember the show moonlighting yeah it was a very popular show is Thursday nights and I picked that shift, so I was very excited and I went to went to work, my first night and my sat the phone room and the phones were ringing.

00:06:08.430 --> 00:06:19.500 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And I took my first call and my first call was a man, he was in his mid 30s and he was really very depressed there was there was no doubt about that, but he was also.

00:06:20.070 --> 00:06:27.690 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Highly suicide on he had told me that he had told me what he was going to do to hurt himself and I thought I just kept thinking in my head.

00:06:28.320 --> 00:06:49.380 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: What did I learn what did I learn what I supposed to do about this and we had a policy that we couldn't talk to somebody who is actively at risk, so I told him to put his gun away and I talked to him for about 35 or 40 minutes and I notified my supervisor and then all of a sudden.

00:06:51.210 --> 00:06:59.580 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: He got angry and he dropped the phone and and then I then I heard the sound that I didn't want to hear and.

00:07:00.990 --> 00:07:13.350 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And she came over to me, and she said she says, you need to hang up the phone and I said I said there's no way i'm gonna hang up this phone not right now, and I really believed he was going to pick up the phone.

00:07:14.370 --> 00:07:14.970 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Until.

00:07:16.290 --> 00:07:31.350 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: until I heard a knock on the door she had notified the police and when the police came they picked up the phone and they said i'm really sorry that he was gone and it was then that I realized, it took me some time to process through that that night that.

00:07:33.060 --> 00:07:38.190 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: You know this, this was his pain and although I shared it and I shared the end of that pain with him.

00:07:40.170 --> 00:07:42.600 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: I needed to keep going on, and he did keep working.

00:07:44.550 --> 00:07:53.250 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And i've never forgotten that case or any of the people that i've lost and some really still plagued me.

00:07:54.780 --> 00:07:59.760 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Some that worked clients in mind, but I was involved in doing a psychological autopsy of.

00:08:01.230 --> 00:08:08.730 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: A person in our military and for the life of me even sitting here today, I can't tell you why he's gone he shouldn't be gone.

00:08:10.290 --> 00:08:16.170 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And that stays with you so as a provider i'm a psychologist by training.

00:08:17.250 --> 00:08:31.830 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: it's hard, because you you question your competence you question whether or not you're in the right field you question everything you said last, let me tell you one other story that that that still lives with me.

00:08:32.940 --> 00:08:43.140 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: I had a young man who was 17 turning 18 that was admitted to an er for a seizure and you know he had several seizures we had a seizure and it was.

00:08:43.530 --> 00:08:53.670 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: early on in the school year and he really wanted you played football and he wanted to play football that Friday night and and he could play that that night.

00:08:54.750 --> 00:09:05.340 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Obviously, was in the hospital, then he went into the icu and I was called to do a consult on him and my decision was whether or not I needed to admit him to.

00:09:06.210 --> 00:09:13.740 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: The adolescent psychiatric unit and no matter what I did or questions I asked her what have you I couldn't I couldn't really justify it.

00:09:15.390 --> 00:09:25.050 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And so I called the admitting doctor back, and I said, you know when he's medically clear, you can release him I can't I can't see a reason for him to go to the psych unit.

00:09:26.580 --> 00:09:43.320 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Even referral and two weeks later, almost to the day was also a Friday night before the football game, and he wasn't going to be allowed to play because of his seizures and we lost him we lost him.

00:09:45.030 --> 00:09:55.350 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That that morning and here's the point of the story, I was going down an elevator in the hospital one night about six months after that happened.

00:09:56.250 --> 00:10:08.760 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And the doctor who i'd never met before, who was the admitting doctor saw my name badge and he literally push the STOP button on the elevator so we were now in between floors.

00:10:09.450 --> 00:10:27.180 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And alarms going off and he said he said I need to talk to you about what happened to our patients and I recognized his name and for about 10 minutes he talked on and on and on and he cried he was very sad and shocked and then and he wasn't a psychologist or anything.

00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:29.700 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: was a neurologist in fact.

00:10:32.730 --> 00:10:36.270 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And then, all of a sudden, he said he was done, he was he was okay.

00:10:37.470 --> 00:10:42.720 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: He pulled the button, we got onto the floor, we both went our separate ways I never saw him again.

00:10:44.070 --> 00:10:57.660 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: But these kinds of experiences, when you lose somebody that you're interested in taking care of and supposed to be helping is it's gut wrenching when it happens to you, and it makes you question everything.

00:10:59.430 --> 00:11:13.680 Albert Dabah: yeah yeah and I guess for you, it, but you you wanted to go on with it right with with with working in that field that something told you, you need to you, you need to be involved with this.

00:11:13.740 --> 00:11:17.460 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Well, what do you think that that is right, it.

00:11:20.370 --> 00:11:27.510 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: You know, for all that, we lose and I talked to people who are two inside all the time they call our office they reach out to us all the time and I.

00:11:28.800 --> 00:11:34.710 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: I talked to them and I try to get them through and most people do get through, but for those that we lose it is hard.

00:11:35.940 --> 00:11:39.180 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: But we have to keep trying, we have to keep fighting there is hope.

00:11:40.350 --> 00:11:54.240 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: There is, I do believe that we can prevent most suicides and we can't prevent suicide we can't prevent all heart attacks, we can't prevent all strokes, we can't prevent all things bad from happening to us.

00:11:54.870 --> 00:12:03.390 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: It prevent all cards and we just simply can't and yet it doesn't mean to me that we don't stop trying we don't keep looking for different ways.

00:12:05.070 --> 00:12:15.180 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: You know I work with the major technology companies and they often say to me, you know how long do we let these things, keep going on, when we can turn things off, and I say.

00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:31.290 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: You know you never know never know who's going to say the right thing at the right very moment in the right thing that is going to make that difference so we've got to keep trying, we got to let people keep trying to make that difference, and I feel that in all the things that I do.

00:12:32.670 --> 00:12:39.210 Albert Dabah: Well, it seems to me that to keep going in a field like this and, from my own experience.

00:12:40.290 --> 00:12:49.290 Albert Dabah: With happen in my own family that to go on whether you're a provider or whether you're just a.

00:12:50.310 --> 00:12:54.720 Albert Dabah: Someone who survived suicide from your family and or friends.

00:12:57.060 --> 00:13:06.450 Albert Dabah: That to go on, you have to have hope I believe what you just said is true in anyone who's affected by suicide.

00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:24.990 Albert Dabah: And that's why I think this is important to talk about where I know it's, as I said right before the show that it's a it's a taboo subject people don't like to talk about it, so I think that that whole idea of which I want, I want to discuss is.

00:13:26.910 --> 00:13:42.120 Albert Dabah: You know, why is it such a subject that people are afraid to talk about we're gonna break for a minute, but that's something i'd like to pick up on and what what is the the block that people you know to me there's some kind of fear that goes on, so.

00:13:43.290 --> 00:13:48.690 Albert Dabah: we'll be right back with Dr Dan rotenberg very soon, right after this Thank you.

00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:56.580 Albert Dabah: For listening to talk radio nyc at www talk radio dot nyc.

00:16:46.860 --> 00:16:56.040 Albert Dabah: So we're here with Dr Dan rosenberg on the podcast show of extra innings Dr Dan as we were just talking um, why do you think the.

00:16:57.330 --> 00:17:03.180 Albert Dabah: there's such a huge stigma of mental illness and the whole subject of suicide what where do you think that comes from.

00:17:04.230 --> 00:17:07.800 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: i'm misunderstanding misperceptions.

00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:10.470 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: old history.

00:17:11.760 --> 00:17:16.980 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Language that we use we you know when you hear somebody says well well, they were just crazy.

00:17:17.310 --> 00:17:19.560 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: or some he is having a nervous breakdown.

00:17:21.300 --> 00:17:24.300 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: You know some of the language us really.

00:17:25.320 --> 00:17:32.910 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: perpetuates stigma, you know old beliefs, we would send somebody to an insane asylum.

00:17:34.080 --> 00:17:46.920 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: These things are what creates and continues stigma around mental health and What it does is Stigma is really discrimination, it is unfair unjust.

00:17:48.060 --> 00:17:53.250 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Prejudice put out there on somebody because they don't understand what's really going on.

00:17:53.670 --> 00:18:06.570 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And some of that is based in in fear right we don't understand something we're afraid of what it what it is, or what might be, and sometimes that perpetuated even but the news why something might have happened somebody might have done something.

00:18:07.500 --> 00:18:19.410 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: These things perpetuate stigma and ultimately keep people from getting help, and that is that is just as much of a tragedy is everything else around stigma and shame.

00:18:20.070 --> 00:18:28.200 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: You have a piece of stigma and shame specific to suicide and and those who are lost survivors somebody who's lost someone to suicide.

00:18:28.860 --> 00:18:38.490 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Is this belief that somebody did something to make that happen or somebody in something and that's why somebody died so there's all this.

00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:58.500 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: This belief that somebody was was a bad parent or somebody was a bad spouse or somebody was not good enough and and and these things are not true they're not accurate, so these myths and misperceptions really, really contribute to what we call stigma around mental health and suicide.

00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:04.110 Albert Dabah: Would you think that sometimes you know with certain kinds of religions.

00:19:05.970 --> 00:19:09.090 Albert Dabah: That they bring about some of that misunderstanding.

00:19:10.980 --> 00:19:11.370 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: sure.

00:19:12.450 --> 00:19:16.950 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: You know, for example, we know in the Catholic faith for a long, long time.

00:19:17.940 --> 00:19:34.440 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: If you died by suicide, you were not allowed to have a funeral in the Church, you were not allowed to be buried in the Catholic cemetery and that's still lives on today among some people in that in that faith now well some in the Catholic faith have kind of evolved.

00:19:35.580 --> 00:19:50.430 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: it's not universally yet so we do know that some religions do contribute towards stigma around this topic in the Jewish community they talked very little about somebody who died by suicide just not disclosing it's a shameful thing.

00:19:51.510 --> 00:20:09.480 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That somebody would take their life, so we do know that religion does play a part in this, and in fact in in countries where there is more stigma around suicide for religion, we see different rates of suicide than in other places, so religion does play a part in this.

00:20:10.110 --> 00:20:22.170 Albert Dabah: yeah like i'd like to bring up my own personal situation with the stigma when I lost my brother and then my sister and then decided to write about it, and I might have shared this with you.

00:20:22.830 --> 00:20:26.460 Albert Dabah: And I have i'm the youngest of four and my sister five years older than me.

00:20:27.120 --> 00:20:33.720 Albert Dabah: She wanted to read the script and she read it, and the first thing, she said to me if I work years and years on the script said to me, if this.

00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:50.160 Albert Dabah: script gets to be a film and people see it, they know what's our family, because it was based on our family, she said, having being she was very she's very orthodox seven children and 62 now grandchildren and she said to me.

00:20:51.240 --> 00:21:00.930 Albert Dabah: Right after her first thing, she said to me, as my grandchildren wouldn't, be it won't be able to get married if people see the film and they know it's our family.

00:21:01.470 --> 00:21:12.270 Albert Dabah: And my I was my I was like my mouth is wide open like what but I really I understood what she said, but I couldn't believe that came out of her mouth.

00:21:12.780 --> 00:21:31.830 Albert Dabah: And it was sad and hurt me at the time, but I I understood it, and I understand it now and it's very hard, I think, for people who have grown up in a certain way, whether whatever whatever way it is whether it's religion or a certain rigid kind of way of learning.

00:21:33.360 --> 00:21:48.270 Albert Dabah: That they can't talk about things that are supposedly taboo like like suicide or or other things that shouldn't be talked about or feel that they shouldn't be talking about, but I think what's really important about.

00:21:50.850 --> 00:21:56.670 Albert Dabah: What will you talk about is is education, because without people really knowing.

00:21:57.270 --> 00:22:05.640 Albert Dabah: The reasons and why things happen, which we still are looking to find out as, as you say you know suicide assistance it's a tough subject to deal with.

00:22:06.030 --> 00:22:14.550 Albert Dabah: Because you can't prevent just like any disease you can't prove prevented it everyone from not having it, but you can lessen the amount.

00:22:15.270 --> 00:22:26.070 Albert Dabah: And I think by and I know from talking to you that you go around the world, and maybe you can talk a little bit about that what's it like going around to different parts of the world where.

00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:36.450 Albert Dabah: i'm sure every country has their own kind of way of how they deal with suicide and yet suicide has been around forever so tell me about that.

00:22:36.990 --> 00:22:48.690 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: yeah it is fascinating and it's important to be able to go around the world and to understand different cultural variances i'll give you a couple of different examples Just to give you kind of the breadth of it.

00:22:49.230 --> 00:22:58.050 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: I was speaking in Japan, a few years ago and listening to them talk about the rate of suicide, which are far greater than our rate, so if we lose.

00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:08.100 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: 14 or 15 people per hundred thousand he might lose 2030 or 40 per hundred thousand in different times of year, but they lose far more people.

00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:21.420 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And in their country, a lot of suicide is related to the economy now that's true here too, but less so, so if something happens, you might lose your job over there, you might be disgraced at a job.

00:23:22.560 --> 00:23:34.740 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That is something that really contributes to suicide in that particular country and there's actually a place in that country, where many people go specifically to die there's one place that specifically they go to to die.

00:23:35.250 --> 00:23:52.140 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: that's very different than our country Now let me flip that around to India, where I was just a few years back, a couple years ago in India, which has about a quarter of all the suicides in the world there and there's about 830 800,000 suicides a year around the world.

00:23:53.460 --> 00:24:04.230 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: that's one death every 40 seconds, just to be clear about how often this is happening 200,000 of those deaths every year or in the country of India in that country.

00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:16.230 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: There are very few mental health providers and even fewer psychiatrists so very few people get a diagnosis of mental health diagnosis and, in fact, in that country.

00:24:16.590 --> 00:24:20.190 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: They actually don't look at suicide, the way we do in this country.

00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:30.540 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: In the United States in many places around the world, when we talk about this 90% of people that died by suicide have a psychiatric illness, the time of their death.

00:24:30.930 --> 00:24:36.900 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Now might be undiagnosed for the incorrectly diagnose under diagnosed me a lot of reasons for that.

00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:49.080 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: But we know that there's this some connection between mental illness and death by suicide in this country and In most places around the world, but in India, where a quarter of all the suicides in the world happen.

00:24:49.860 --> 00:25:01.050 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: They don't see it that way they see it related to domestic violence may see it or two arranged marriages, they see it, the poverty, they see the isolation, they see the.

00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:08.010 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: challenges where people don't have any money to support themselves and educational opportunities in fact.

00:25:08.580 --> 00:25:13.920 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Much like in Japan, where there's one place, many people go to die by suicide and there's an economic impact.

00:25:14.610 --> 00:25:24.090 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: In in India there's actually a school where people are sent in those that are considered very bright are sent in this one place this one city.

00:25:24.510 --> 00:25:41.100 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And they go to that school and if they don't excel in the school, we see many of them go die by suicide so cultural variations like that around the world, help us try to better understand complexity of suicide, because it isn't the same everywhere.

00:25:42.030 --> 00:25:47.550 Albert Dabah: So when you go to let's say you go place like India, and you, you give a lecture I assume to.

00:25:48.750 --> 00:25:55.080 Albert Dabah: To a group of providers i'm not sure tell me what happens when you go there.

00:25:55.380 --> 00:26:05.220 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Right anyway it's fascinating because they in India, they don't even have a national strategy in place yet we're working to try to help them develop a national strategy, I was brought over there.

00:26:06.120 --> 00:26:10.290 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: To help them develop some set of best practices and to use what we know.

00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:21.600 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Here in the United States and around the world that are good examples of programs and services and the kinds of things to address, so I was over there for a couple of days meeting with some leaders from around the country.

00:26:22.530 --> 00:26:29.760 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Is social service leaders people in their legislative branches people that were mental health experts.

00:26:30.360 --> 00:26:39.240 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: We had some US experts in the room, and we were trying, I was trying to train them on what best practices are around the topic, but the other thing I was trying to train them on is.

00:26:39.780 --> 00:26:47.460 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Why it's important to have a strategy, how you pick old that you are trying to achieve as a national strategy and how to identify.

00:26:47.790 --> 00:26:58.050 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: What where do you start you create a crisis line, for example, at first, or do you create a Center where people can go to it for us to do create public awareness campaigns first.

00:26:58.410 --> 00:27:03.240 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: To challenge, because if you create all these public awareness campaigns and these messages to help people.

00:27:03.690 --> 00:27:16.140 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That suicide might be crossing their mind here's what to do, then you don't have a crisis Center or you don't have a phone line for them to talk to or provider you've done nothing you've actually hurt them so starting with.

00:27:16.830 --> 00:27:23.400 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: just creating public awareness messages isn't necessarily the best step so it's really trying to help them develop a strategy for.

00:27:24.360 --> 00:27:30.660 Albert Dabah: A do do you keep in touch with them like how things work like that, like, in other words, to see if there's a change.

00:27:31.260 --> 00:27:40.590 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Sure sure, things are moving things are very slow to get over it in around the world in different places there's progress being made there's more people coming to the table.

00:27:41.520 --> 00:27:46.200 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: There is an individual they're expressing things to their legislature trying to get some funding.

00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:55.530 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Great experts together across the country to do more in this area to develop a national strategy there's research taking place there is a.

00:27:56.070 --> 00:28:03.210 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Crisis line set up over there now last summer we had was early last summer, we had a major celebrity.

00:28:03.840 --> 00:28:17.670 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: In India, who died by suicide and created a fury of media coverage around that so we needed to get some information to the media, to try to reduce the risk of suicide contagion so there's pockets of things going on but it's slow.

00:28:18.330 --> 00:28:27.300 Albert Dabah: yeah I say I say and I guess in all countries it's different on how they look at suicide and I guess.

00:28:28.830 --> 00:28:35.190 Albert Dabah: I guess you you do a lot of research on them before you get there, and try to find out what's going on yeah.

00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:43.380 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: yeah we want to find out what is known we're doing a needs analysis we do a needs assessment we try to find out what the Community is ready for.

00:28:44.190 --> 00:28:53.670 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: What they're willing to take on who might be the providers who are the stakeholders they're available, what are the resources available, we look at all that before we ever get there okay.

00:28:53.790 --> 00:29:00.390 Albert Dabah: All right, wow alright well we'll be right back with Dr Dan and.

00:29:01.410 --> 00:29:07.200 Albert Dabah: This is pretty wow that's, all I can say all right we'll be right back with that Thank you.

00:29:09.150 --> 00:29:11.580 Albert Dabah: you're listening to talk radio.

00:31:54.930 --> 00:31:58.620 Albert Dabah: hi there we're back with Dr Dan rosenberg from SAVE.

00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:03.930 Albert Dabah: save his suicide voices of education suicide awareness voices of education.

00:32:06.090 --> 00:32:25.470 Albert Dabah: That the damn when we were just talking about the stigma of mental illness and suicide, and I think you said something that you know it's misinformation and I think you said, the word prejudice is that right some prejudice and what what I thought of during this break was.

00:32:26.520 --> 00:32:32.130 Albert Dabah: I think that some of that that prejudice comes from you know, the fear that people have of.

00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:43.320 Albert Dabah: You know, saying the truth about someone else like it's easy to say well he's crazy or she's crazy and leave it at that, and you don't have to do anything.

00:32:43.800 --> 00:32:50.940 Albert Dabah: it's like you know you know, instead of saying oh this person really needs help where can we get help for this person.

00:32:51.390 --> 00:32:58.710 Albert Dabah: it's a lot easier to dismiss it because you don't have to do anything, or just say the word crazy, I mean there's a show, I was watching on.

00:32:59.430 --> 00:33:10.350 Albert Dabah: Amazon that you know, in the 1800s the doctor comes in the sky is going, as he says, nuts and crazy and they're given all kinds of crazy medication, then.

00:33:10.710 --> 00:33:20.670 Albert Dabah: A very wise doctor says he lost his wife he's he's really suffering, I mean we have to, we have to listen to him and hear him and understand him.

00:33:21.120 --> 00:33:32.070 Albert Dabah: And you just saw like in that one scene exactly to me what you're talking about is that sense of really trying to be understanding.

00:33:32.490 --> 00:33:51.630 Albert Dabah: To and listening to who you're talking to and what their issues are and their challenges and how to help them, I mean I imagine that's what you know, a big part of what you have to do in in teaching and also seeing if you still and seeing clients that that's that's crucial.

00:33:52.920 --> 00:34:01.710 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: We have to get beyond that that misunderstanding of what's really happening and sometimes the media is not very helpful in this, for example.

00:34:02.280 --> 00:34:17.460 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: there's a murder suicide or there's somebody that is involved in a mass shooting and the first words are the these these derogatory negative words and we dismiss it as somebody who is just.

00:34:18.090 --> 00:34:35.130 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: mentally ill now they'll use different words but that's some of the general public, looked at it and we don't understand we don't take the time to really understand that a mental illness is a real illness, these are real diseases that originate in the brain that affect the entire body.

00:34:36.240 --> 00:34:40.590 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That that people didn't walk them in asked for them.

00:34:41.430 --> 00:34:51.030 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Nobody wants to be mentally ill, nobody wants to be depressed nobody wants to be manic depressive nobody wants to be filled with anxiety, nobody wants to have schizophrenia.

00:34:51.480 --> 00:35:06.390 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Nobody wants these things, and yet their illnesses and just like other illnesses that happened in our bodies, but when we just dismiss them very quickly or say they're not making us that person isn't like us, that person is acting really bizarre.

00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:14.700 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: These kinds of things just distance us from reality and the reality is that everybody everybody deserves.

00:35:15.060 --> 00:35:21.240 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: To be treated fairly and responsibly and most important passionately, and when somebody struggling.

00:35:21.660 --> 00:35:28.350 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Especially with struggling about thoughts of life and death, you know i'm in that much pain, I mean that much agony.

00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:43.590 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And need somebody to help me need somebody to talk to me somebody to help me through this to just dismiss it we shouldn't just say oh you're crazy you would never do that don't do that to our family that's that's not the right approach, we need the other approach, which is.

00:35:44.640 --> 00:35:56.100 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Let me listen to tell me how I can help you, what can I do because I would much rather sit here and talk to you for hours and hours and hours and go to your funeral right right.

00:35:56.520 --> 00:36:09.360 Albert Dabah: What about invention, I mean touched upon like genealogy, for instance, like I know when we first met you were talking about mapping the brain and understanding the brain and how it works and.

00:36:09.750 --> 00:36:21.930 Albert Dabah: You know, we need more research to that How does that play into effect and is that something that you know I mean i'm sure it's going on now to some degree, are you involved with that are going to talk about that a little bit.

00:36:22.530 --> 00:36:37.470 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: not directly involved in, I mean we do get involved because it's part of the research, the science, that we need to better understand what's happening with the brain and not just mapping the brain the brain is Ruth is the last order and to be fully understood and fully mapped out.

00:36:38.670 --> 00:36:41.970 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: A few years ago, when you and I met, we were talking about this, there is.

00:36:42.810 --> 00:36:52.650 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: A proposal basically set forth it said that if we could spend 100 million dollars a year for the next 10 years we could fully map out the brain and understand.

00:36:52.950 --> 00:36:57.660 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: All the parts of our brain even, for example, excellent epilepsy and seizures and other disorders.

00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:06.270 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: that are related to the brain that's just around mental health issues, but we need to better understand things and some people in my field.

00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:17.010 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Look at electro chemical reactions in the brain some people look at the biological react, and some people look at the chemical reaction, some people look at the the physical structure.

00:37:17.700 --> 00:37:25.530 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Of the brain, for example, either lesions of the brain that it could be missing or could be injured, it creates some of the problems related to suicide.

00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:35.100 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: So we need to really do a lot more to better understand the brain and how it works, how the connections work and how they work with the rest of the body.

00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:41.130 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: For example, there's a there's a pretty good amount of research that talks about the connection between the brain and your stomach.

00:37:41.370 --> 00:37:51.540 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: But some of the things that are going on in your stomach being related to your mood, we need to figure out what's going on in the brain better understand how it works better understand how to prevent suicide.

00:37:52.290 --> 00:38:00.930 Albert Dabah: Right right well, not that long ago, I mean you know when I say not that long ago, I guess, probably in the 50s or something when they're doing a lot of the electric shock therapy.

00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:14.790 Albert Dabah: You know, it seems like you know people came up with scientists came up with a way to say let's let's I don't know where that where did that come from how did that you know much about that.

00:38:14.970 --> 00:38:19.860 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: We do we do actually know that that EC T electroconvulsive therapy.

00:38:20.370 --> 00:38:27.780 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: tends to be a very effective form of treatment it worked really well for people that have what's called impractical kinds of depression depression that.

00:38:28.080 --> 00:38:34.770 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: doesn't seem to be resolving, no matter what else is going on and it's being actually use now for some other illnesses as well.

00:38:35.580 --> 00:38:45.570 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: People will psychotic disorders, that are really out of control, we can use that for but it's primarily used around depression and we do see it making a difference, it does seem to elevate the mood.

00:38:46.350 --> 00:38:55.500 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: When you pass electrical current through people now you know, most people think of shock therapy is jack Nicholson and one who flew over the cuckoo's nest right.

00:38:56.370 --> 00:39:13.290 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That isn't what it's like any longer, and I have i've been present during many ACP treatments and in my lifetime it's a very calm very peaceful thing that happens is there's no big jolt that goes on your eyes are not bugging out like it was portrayed in that movie.

00:39:14.700 --> 00:39:25.080 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And it does work for people now where we used to have some of the real problems are with frontal the bottom means which are not done any longer.

00:39:26.460 --> 00:39:32.460 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: There was a researcher they really believed that if you you change the frontal part of your brain if you kind of.

00:39:32.850 --> 00:39:43.320 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: messed it up up there, you are going to help people's mental health issues, these are some of the things actually go back to that original question about stigma, these are the things that set us apart in.

00:39:43.950 --> 00:39:51.150 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: This whole field of mental health very filled with stigma that How would you how would you do that somebody's brain.

00:39:52.710 --> 00:39:58.320 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: We don't do that any longer, we do do EC T treatment, it does tend to be very effective.

00:39:58.650 --> 00:40:10.800 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And there's other treatments there's magnetic treatments that are done on their brain now to try to help regulate that, obviously, of course, pharmacological treatments that are done where we people medicines to try to readjust the rebalance.

00:40:11.100 --> 00:40:17.130 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: chemicals in the brain and the neurotransmitters to make sure that there's the right amount of chemicals being passed between nerves.

00:40:17.850 --> 00:40:24.150 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: All of this is to say that we know that something is going on in the brain of those that we lose to suicide because.

00:40:25.020 --> 00:40:32.220 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: When your brain is functioning well it's functioning normally, and when you don't have a mental health issue you're not dying by suicide.

00:40:32.580 --> 00:40:40.140 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: and tell people all the time people that are happy and healthy or not dying by suicide it's people that are sick and until we get beyond this.

00:40:40.530 --> 00:40:53.310 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: This this fear of people that have mental illnesses and better understanding and compassion for the illnesses that they have we're going to continue to see people not seeking out from under off we're going to continue to see death by suicide.

00:40:54.510 --> 00:40:59.880 Albert Dabah: So what happens when because today, as you said in the beginning of the program that you know.

00:41:00.510 --> 00:41:17.550 Albert Dabah: You went into psychology rather than psychiatry and psychiatry are known to psychologist now we're known to not do any therapy, but you know, had now prescriptions for medication for what they feel the patient needs so obviously the patient needs some help other than.

00:41:18.690 --> 00:41:34.290 Albert Dabah: A drug correct, I mean they should be referred to as a psychologist or some therapists someone a provider of some kind, or do you see that happening or do you see sometimes sometimes they kind of just give out medicine and they're on their own.

00:41:35.430 --> 00:41:47.700 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Well, let me say, for all the psychiatrists that are listening or watching this, we know that not all so Okay, Chris gets right out prescriptions some actually do spend some time going into patients, however, we do know that today's world.

00:41:48.120 --> 00:41:53.970 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Many psychiatrists are really for it's based on insurance and providers and things like that.

00:41:54.300 --> 00:42:04.860 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That that it's very limited to to just met checks and prescribing medications and working on side effects of medications you don't get to spend the kind of time with them that they used to spend.

00:42:05.910 --> 00:42:21.180 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: It used to be that if you needed therapy psychotherapy you went to a psychiatrist and the psychiatrist not only provided you prescriptions, if you needed that but also the therapy as think of Freud we used to see far more of that than we do today.

00:42:22.290 --> 00:42:28.830 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: So there are secondary just that will talk to patients, but there should always be always, whenever we can make it possible.

00:42:29.910 --> 00:42:38.220 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: A therapist of samsara a clinical psychologist clinical social worker marriage and family therapist we should have somebody.

00:42:38.610 --> 00:42:48.930 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: that's also talking with somebody in addition to somebody getting medications you see the problem in our really is is that we've moved into a world where everybody wants a quick fix.

00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:59.430 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: It sees TV commercials and they think just give me a medicine, I don't want to go sit and talk about this, I don't want to dig up old details I don't want to take the time away from work.

00:43:00.060 --> 00:43:06.990 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: to drive through deployment go to an hour therapy and then drive back to work, just give me a pill, I can take once or twice a day.

00:43:07.470 --> 00:43:17.250 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: We need, we need to understand that these illnesses need more than just a medication need somebody to talk to them, we need support networks build around people.

00:43:17.550 --> 00:43:28.710 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: need different activities, meaning to exercise medium heat right, we need all kinds of things to help facilitate therapeutic response, in addition to just the medication.

00:43:29.850 --> 00:43:42.480 Albert Dabah: Right, I mean I I say that all the time when i'm watching you know regular TV and i've never seen so many commercials ads for different kinds of medications I mean left and right, I mean it's like a drugstore being.

00:43:43.080 --> 00:43:51.120 Albert Dabah: It seems like we're watching now you know just came from this egg to that egg take that and you'll be okay.

00:43:53.340 --> 00:44:09.720 Albert Dabah: What i'd like to talk about after the break is you know covidien has been around for this virus been around for a year now just about a year around a year it's been I know it's hit a lot of people in different ways, but i'm sure it's really affected people.

00:44:10.830 --> 00:44:24.180 Albert Dabah: In the mental health world and there's probably I think i've heard there's been more suicide because of covert so let's let's talk about that, and when we come back so we'll be back with Dr Dan right after this break, thank you, Dan.

00:44:26.340 --> 00:44:28.500 Albert Dabah: Listening to talk radio.

00:46:41.730 --> 00:46:54.570 Albert Dabah: hi we're back with Dr Dan rotenberg so i'd like to pick up where we left off, or we just started to speak about the virus the covert virus that's been around for a year, so Dan How has it affected.

00:46:55.830 --> 00:47:07.800 Albert Dabah: let's just look at the US and around the world, this virus, you know with mental illness, can you tell us a little bit how you know so so we know, socially, people are you know.

00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:17.880 Albert Dabah: We have to keep apart from each other, now wear a mask and stay six feet away, and you know wash our hands and not being crowded places and all these.

00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:31.170 Albert Dabah: restrictions that where it's the opposite of what of socialization so so tell tell us how you've seen the the effect of on on society today.

00:47:32.550 --> 00:47:50.520 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: yeah always been a challenge it's been a challenge for for for all humanity around the world and for our life because you're right we're wired to be socialized where we're wired to be around people and and to interact with people face to face, and not just through a computer.

00:47:51.840 --> 00:48:00.990 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: I I will tell you I don't think the we know the the full impacts and the full effects of how coven has impacted people's mental health around the world.

00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:08.670 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: I think that's that's coming there's been some recent studies and Recent polls done.

00:48:09.750 --> 00:48:17.370 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That have talked about the the increase in stress and distress, the increase in Depression and anxiety increase in.

00:48:18.210 --> 00:48:32.400 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: alcohol use and prescription drug use over the counter prescriptions so we've seen some of those things, but the real effects I don't think we're going to know for a while, I think we have to take a step back and start with the fact that when this first came about.

00:48:33.450 --> 00:48:36.270 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: We entered 2020.

00:48:37.290 --> 00:48:47.220 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Around the world, in a pretty big pile if you want to know the truth when you were looking at this as being the roaring 20s around the world, people were very excited things were going well.

00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:56.250 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And, and yet there was this mysterious thing happening, then nobody knew what was going on and very quickly with spreading.

00:48:56.760 --> 00:49:12.180 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And we're not used to things like that happening on a global scale, yes there's been other problems and pandemics and things like that, but nothing quite as severe so very quickly between February and March of last year.

00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:22.260 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: April, the latest but, if you remember between February, March there was great uncertainty and there was great fear, am I going to get this and what's going to happen to me.

00:49:22.890 --> 00:49:28.350 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And that was the first fear, am I going to get it is something going to happen to me, am I going to live through this.

00:49:29.010 --> 00:49:39.570 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Right after that, if you believed, or you felt, you were going to be okay your next fear and set of uncertainties was around people you know, and you love and that you care about.

00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:46.020 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: So if it's not me now I gotta worry about everybody I care about why don't you made it through that level.

00:49:46.410 --> 00:50:01.530 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: It was now what's going to happen to my job what's going to happen to my house what can happen to my insurance and my retirement all my money what's going to happen and as that hole in the very early parts of this February, March and even into the beginning of April.

00:50:03.060 --> 00:50:16.380 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: You saw anxiety go up and you said distress go up amongst people, of course, they're worried about their lives, their selves, their families and friends and then what kept them economically survivable.

00:50:17.670 --> 00:50:22.950 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: As that went on over the course of not just the spring, but into the summer into the fall.

00:50:23.610 --> 00:50:29.130 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: When we saw not only this kind of stabilization, we started to kind of normalize what was going on.

00:50:29.610 --> 00:50:34.650 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: But the distress level kept staying very high, and then the warning signs came out about.

00:50:34.950 --> 00:50:46.980 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Not traveling and being around other people and not being able to be around people over the holidays and what that was going to be like, and yet people were doing some of these things gatherings and we sudden numbers going up.

00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:58.350 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: All along the media was really talking about this, it was the only thing that was going on in the public side was the media was around the virus now of course he was the election here.

00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:06.900 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Around the world, and wasn't an election was just here, so we saw lots and lots of attention around, something that was completely out of our control.

00:51:07.530 --> 00:51:15.990 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And while we tried to adjust to it, we tried to accept that we all wear masks and then that started to increase over the many months, so we had to stay distance.

00:51:16.200 --> 00:51:22.050 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And that increased over the many months and we saw changes around the world where it happened, and it was going well, when they did it.

00:51:22.620 --> 00:51:27.480 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: We got these glimmers of hope and then there would be taken away from us when we see number it's going back up.

00:51:28.020 --> 00:51:45.420 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And this is all based on billy hospitalization could hospitals character, those people, and what is there enough equipment to care for people well when you're talking about kind of distress personal nearby what's going to happen in my life, and we have no idea when this is going to end.

00:51:47.070 --> 00:52:00.120 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: You see, mental health effects, you see distress now add to that somebody who is in high school or college about to graduate and now they can't graduate thing they've been working towards for many, many years.

00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:11.010 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That the milestone events people that had weddings planned they couldn't have those people that were looking forward to retirement and he had to retire early or now couldn't retire.

00:52:11.460 --> 00:52:19.530 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: All of these big things that were happening created more distress for us struggled through the mind struggled for us emotionally.

00:52:20.010 --> 00:52:25.650 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: And now you couldn't go talk to a therapist you can't go sit and talk to a therapist because.

00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:34.710 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: They can't see you because of the virus, we can only see people through screens and while it was great that the government allowed for telehealth to be.

00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:42.210 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Okay, and to be reimbursed, which was great we advocated for that reality was is that.

00:52:43.110 --> 00:52:53.550 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: This virus has kept us apart, and it is, it is shocked us it is made us realize that things can happen out of our control very, very quickly, it has made us realize.

00:52:53.970 --> 00:53:05.550 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That we don't get to decide if we're going to have those things that we normally would think of as prompt and high school football games and graduations and all those first that we were looking forward to not in the same way.

00:53:06.120 --> 00:53:11.880 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: That changes, all of us in the world around us now is this going to impact suicide rates Yes, he will.

00:53:12.180 --> 00:53:20.610 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Now last year in 2020 it probably actually decreased suicide rates across this country and in fact around the world, it probably dropped slightly.

00:53:21.180 --> 00:53:27.150 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Because people were more connected, they were finding ways to be connected enough wasn't physical proximity proximity.

00:53:27.510 --> 00:53:37.770 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: It were staying connected people even people who were in trouble mentally and struggling mentally people were reaching out to them, so we probably going to see a decrease in the number 2020.

00:53:38.370 --> 00:53:46.080 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: But what we can tell you I mean if you look at past pandemics and you look at the mental distress from all over the place.

00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:56.910 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Of that progression of the uncertainty and who we were and what was going to happen, we are going to see probably more suicides in this year and the next couple of years.

00:53:57.390 --> 00:54:07.260 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Literally as a result of this, and that is, in part because the economy and the economic forces the unemployment is change things and that really drives suicide rates up.

00:54:08.670 --> 00:54:10.830 Albert Dabah: yeah you know you mentioned the word.

00:54:12.180 --> 00:54:24.300 Albert Dabah: being connected, and I think I think that's really a key word to use to help people because, like let's say you're you're not feeling well something's going wrong.

00:54:25.650 --> 00:54:28.980 Albert Dabah: And you know you don't know what it is, you can talk to a friend.

00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.760 Albert Dabah: The friend might be able to help the more you know a good friend someone who you know you're not afraid to open up to.

00:54:36.870 --> 00:54:54.300 Albert Dabah: But not everyone has that kind of friend or feels that that wouldn't be enough, they feel like there's you know it's it's too personal because they might laugh at you or something so that's why I think it's so important to be able to go for help.

00:54:55.380 --> 00:55:01.980 Albert Dabah: Whether and now you know most of therapies done, you know by whether it's the phone or the computer or whatever.

00:55:03.600 --> 00:55:20.190 Albert Dabah: But I think in all I think i'd like to say that I think it's just important for us to be connected in some way or another, when when we're feeling depressed sad anxious, we need to reach out and there has to be someone there to reach out to.

00:55:20.670 --> 00:55:32.130 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Actually connection three know from the research that being connected, the more connected, you are to family, friends faith Community be connected to anything more connection, do you have the better off you're going.

00:55:33.270 --> 00:55:44.040 Albert Dabah: yeah well then i'd like coming to the end of the show i'd like to if people want to know more about you or reach out to you, where can they go, how can they find you.

00:55:44.640 --> 00:55:56.910 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Well, I think, go to our website saved or sad he that'll work we also have a Facebook page I know this is brad broadcasts on Facebook live, you can go to our Facebook page on Facebook.

00:55:57.870 --> 00:56:04.260 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: We have a Twitter account, you can find us and save voices of EDU on Twitter.

00:56:05.160 --> 00:56:22.020 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: But just go to our website, you can find all the connections to our social media and all the programs that we have here at save and and we're available, we have we have people that answer phones all the time and answer emails and answer Facebook messages all the time, so read up.

00:56:22.950 --> 00:56:26.910 Albert Dabah: Okay, great well then Thank you so much for being on the podcast tonight.

00:56:28.200 --> 00:56:35.520 Albert Dabah: we'll be back next week at same time at six o'clock and if any of you have a chance to watch extra innings on Amazon prime.

00:56:36.210 --> 00:56:51.750 Albert Dabah: it's been a pleasure, having you here tonight, Dan getting to know you over the years, has been a real big plus for me and a big plus for extra innings so be well everyone take care and we'll see you next week take care, Dan.

00:56:52.200 --> 00:56:53.400 Dr. Dan Reidenberg: Probably ever Thank you.

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