My guest Tina Lee and I will discuss her work at NAMI, National Alliance for Mental Illness. A focus will be on the educational work she has done with families and mental health professionals. We will discuss her passion for her work and where it comes from.
Albert introduces his guest for the week, Tina Lee, who works at NAMI, the National Alliance for Mental Illness. Tina explains what NAMI is and what it does, and how she was introduced to NAMI through taking classes offered by the group. Tina retells her personal experience with NAMI, and how much the organization helped both her and her daughter through the resources they offered. Albert and Tina then discuss Tina’s continued involvement in NAMI through both working and volunteering, as well as how she learned the importance of advocacy through her time at NAMI. Tina explains how NAMI also works with teens and young adults, and that the organization has a NAMI on Campus branch that focuses on college students and helping them with mental illness.
Albert and Tina discuss the stigma behind mental illness, that the stigma is very isolating and makes someone who has mental illness feels very alone, unable to discuss their struggle with others. Albert explains his and his family’s personal experiences with the stigma behind mental illness, and how that stigma translates cross-culturally. Albert and Tina continue to discuss the stigma, and the importance of breaking the silence surrounding mental illness, as well as having open and honest conversations about mental illness, as well as suicide.
Albert and Tina discussed how the Covid-19 pandemic has impacted mental health, and how substance abuse and suicide has risen due to the pandemic. Tina also explains how Covid-19 pandemic has influenced young people’s mental health through remote schooling, and how many students have completely dropped out of school due to the pandemic. Tina explains where she gets her strength from, and how she benefits from the skills she learned throughout her life relating to mental illness, and how these skills are helping her during the pandemic. Albert also explains how he is taking care of his mental health, and life throughout the pandemic.
Albert and Tina discuss how they met through Albert’s film Extra Innings, and why the film was chosen to be screened at a NAMI event. Tina explains how she finds the message at the end of the film is incredibly important, that there is always hope in life, and how the topic of suicide is treated with incredible respect in Extra Innings. Tina and Albert discuss the guilt related to those who have lost a loved one to suicide, and how this guilt was portrayed in the film.
00:00:53.220 --> 00:00:54.450 Albert Dabah: Hello there everybody
00:00:55.980 --> 00:01:13.770 Albert Dabah: I'm Albert Abba with the podcast show of extra innings tonight is our second show. And I'd like to introduce Tina Lee, who has worked and does still work at NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental illness.
00:01:14.880 --> 00:01:16.680 Albert Dabah: Tina Lee has
00:01:17.730 --> 00:01:27.330 Albert Dabah: Been someone I've known for the last year or so. And she has been a big cheerleader of the film extra innings.
00:01:28.440 --> 00:01:34.110 Albert Dabah: So tonight, please welcome Tina, who are show and
00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:36.630 Albert Dabah: Tina. Are you there.
00:01:36.720 --> 00:01:37.590 Tina Yun Lee: Yep, I'm there.
00:01:37.860 --> 00:01:38.970 Albert Dabah: Hi, how are you
00:01:39.540 --> 00:01:46.290 Tina Yun Lee: hanging in there. You know, it's 2021 and I'm excited to move forward. Thank you so much for having me today.
00:01:46.890 --> 00:01:53.400 Albert Dabah: Sure thing. Sure thing, when when I started to show a couple of weeks ago we had our first show with Sam Leibowitz interviewing me.
00:01:53.880 --> 00:02:07.230 Albert Dabah: And I you were one of the first people I thought about that, I'd like to have on the show, since we showed the film up in Albany back in. I think it was September and
00:02:08.220 --> 00:02:16.110 Albert Dabah: It was an Ami events that the Jewish community Jewish Community Center and Albany and I remember you put together a wonderful panel.
00:02:17.850 --> 00:02:28.920 Albert Dabah: And I thought we had a tremendous discussion after the film. I believe in about the 20 times we screened the film before Kovac came, it was the longest
00:02:30.390 --> 00:02:36.390 Albert Dabah: Q AMP. A and talk back that iPad. They finally had to close the place down after an hour.
00:02:38.670 --> 00:02:56.820 Albert Dabah: So tonight, maybe you could tell us a little bit about yourself first. My question is, Nami I and quite frankly, I'll let you know I never heard an Ami while I was doing the film, but I learned a lot about it afterwards. And perhaps you can share with the audience tonight.
00:02:58.020 --> 00:03:06.990 Albert Dabah: What is Nami, what do they do, what are their services and and what I know you've had many different roles there if you could describe to us what what you've done there.
00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:12.060 Tina Yun Lee: So, Albert. You know, it's funny. I think that's one of the first questions is, you know, what is a Nami
00:03:13.320 --> 00:03:26.370 Tina Yun Lee: Nami to stand for the National Alliance on Mental Illness and you know you can say it Nami Nami, you know, whatever works for you, but it's it's the one of the largest grassroots mental health organizations in the nation and it provides support education.
00:03:27.420 --> 00:03:34.500 Tina Yun Lee: And all of our programs are free and confidential. You know, I hope we get a chance to talk about the stigma that's associated when people
00:03:35.250 --> 00:03:44.460 Tina Yun Lee: Hear the word mental, you know, and especially when it's mental illness. You know, there's a lot of fear in that and you know I was one of those people to, you know what, what is not me and
00:03:44.970 --> 00:03:55.230 Tina Yun Lee: You know, we talked about this before. When my daughter was 15 she was experiencing, you know, just horrible mental health conditions and you know at the time.
00:03:55.710 --> 00:04:04.230 Tina Yun Lee: You know, I didn't really know what that was, you know, I was raised in a Asian household where, you know, we never talked about that, you know,
00:04:04.830 --> 00:04:16.890 Tina Yun Lee: We don't talk about emotions, you know, and so when my daughter started experiencing self harm addiction issues and suicidal ideations you know I did what most parents do right you you first.
00:04:17.670 --> 00:04:24.630 Tina Yun Lee: You know, are in denial, you know, and people will say, oh, well, you know, your kids going through what teenagers do they experiment.
00:04:25.260 --> 00:04:36.690 Tina Yun Lee: You know they're there, they're confused about themselves. And then, you know, then you go on to. Okay, things are, you know, we're in now the hospital. So you do what the the clinician say you bring them to therapy.
00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:49.710 Tina Yun Lee: You try medication. And for us, it wasn't working. I really remember saying to the ER nurse, you know it was you know our umpteenth time there was like our second home away from home.
00:04:50.550 --> 00:04:54.780 Tina Yun Lee: Next time I'm going to bring her in a body bag. You know, and it wasn't working and
00:04:55.470 --> 00:05:02.490 Tina Yun Lee: You know, I always believe in the universe and karma and, you know, I saw a newspaper article in the paper about a
00:05:02.970 --> 00:05:14.160 Tina Yun Lee: Class through Nami called family to family and you know I caught my attention because it said it was free and it was, you know, it's a class that teaches families and caregivers.
00:05:14.670 --> 00:05:28.020 Tina Yun Lee: How to support your loved one, and I really thought, you know what, I have nothing to lose. You know, I have everything to gain. And I gotta do this, you know, we were at a point where, like I said, we were visiting the ER for suicidal ideations
00:05:28.650 --> 00:05:33.120 Tina Yun Lee: You know, just every other week, you know, and I was beside myself, you know, and
00:05:33.990 --> 00:05:42.240 Tina Yun Lee: I took my first class and I really got hooked, you know, the things that they were saying, you know, it's all taught by people with lived experience so
00:05:42.870 --> 00:05:53.370 Tina Yun Lee: My two teachers for parents that had children with mental illness and they were the children or adults and we learned to recognize symptoms communication skills.
00:05:53.700 --> 00:06:00.420 Tina Yun Lee: And I think most importantly, know how to advocate, because we know that the mental health care system is quite broken and fragmented.
00:06:00.930 --> 00:06:15.510 Tina Yun Lee: It's difficult, you know, to get services um you know there's there's not much mental health services out out here that are working and not one size fits all. So I learned to advocate. And I think the one of the biggest things that I felt
00:06:16.050 --> 00:06:24.270 Tina Yun Lee: That you know it was the oxygen for me was that, you know, when I found out that alley had mental illness right on my then that's my daughter and
00:06:25.050 --> 00:06:35.310 Tina Yun Lee: I realized at the time, you know, she's not going to have a life, you know, this is just, I was so hopeless and, you know, Nami really gave me the oxygen to
00:06:35.940 --> 00:06:44.010 Tina Yun Lee: To move forward, you know, and how to talk to my daughter, you know, that was a big thing. You know, I was very invalidating every time we'd get into a fight.
00:06:44.700 --> 00:06:52.110 Tina Yun Lee: We'd have holes in the wall, you know, kicked in the walls least being called. It was horrible. You know, and you know, after the class.
00:06:52.440 --> 00:07:02.670 Tina Yun Lee: I just remember my daughter was like, you know, you know, what are you doing, and I told her I was taking this class, and she said to me, well, it's your problem. It's not mine. And I said to her, you know what
00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:15.750 Tina Yun Lee: I'm going to take that. Okay. Um, you and I are 50 50% of this relationship. And if I change and you choose not to change that's still a lot of change, you know, and once I
00:07:16.140 --> 00:07:26.370 Tina Yun Lee: You know, bought into what me to do, how to communicate with her getting her services, you know, life is is pretty good, you know, she is in recovery.
00:07:27.030 --> 00:07:34.470 Tina Yun Lee: She's a mom, you know, I have a healthy grandson, and I really have to say Nami saved my daughter's life and gave me back mine.
00:07:35.100 --> 00:07:41.580 Tina Yun Lee: So, you know, as you mentioned, you know, I, I no longer hold a position at NAMI, I was at the state office at the local office to
00:07:42.090 --> 00:07:55.560 Tina Yun Lee: But once you're with Nami, it's your forever. You know place because it's a it's it's my family, you know, nobody looks at me like I'm weird. Or if I tell them that my daughter's relapse, or having struggles, you know, nobody looks at me like I'm weird.
00:07:56.640 --> 00:08:07.290 Tina Yun Lee: It's our life. You know, so I highly recommend anybody out there you know if you need help, it's free and confidential and, you know, can I give a number
00:08:07.350 --> 00:08:10.350 Albert Dabah: On if anybody has yes I like I was just gonna ask you that.
00:08:10.650 --> 00:08:16.740 Tina Yun Lee: So Mommy has a helpline and their numbers one 800 950
00:08:17.400 --> 00:08:30.570 Tina Yun Lee: So again 1-800-950-6264 and if you want. If you're in New York State. You can call our Nami New York State helpline which is 1-518-462-2000
00:08:30.930 --> 00:08:39.900 Tina Yun Lee: And I have to say, you can actually call any Nami, and they will help you if you're in Connecticut and you want something in Virginia.
00:08:40.590 --> 00:08:49.440 Tina Yun Lee: When you call, they will help you and you know they will connect you with services and offer you know the resources locally as well as nationally
00:08:50.040 --> 00:09:03.810 Tina Yun Lee: So, you know, again, you know, I highly recommend reaching out, it's a it's a fabulous organization and you know it's helped helped thousands and thousands of families I in fact I'm still friends with many of the families that I took class from
00:09:04.380 --> 00:09:07.590 Albert Dabah: So, so now me is the national organization. Correct.
00:09:07.800 --> 00:09:12.840 Tina Yun Lee: Exactly. So there's the national organization in Virginia and then every state has a Nami
00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:24.090 Tina Yun Lee: Nami affiliate state affiliate and underneath that there's local affiliates. So now I'm in New York State. And, you know, somebody might, correct me but last time I was aware, there was 28
00:09:24.510 --> 00:09:33.930 Tina Yun Lee: Nami New York State affiliates and we're one of the large of the most condensed our most dense states with the most affiliates and our largest
00:09:34.230 --> 00:09:45.840 Tina Yun Lee: Affiliate is Nami New York City metro and they offer a ton of classes support groups, even during coven they've gone virtual and I still volunteer for
00:09:46.380 --> 00:10:02.910 Tina Yun Lee: The programs. You know, I talked to other families and, you know, give them hope you know that recovery really as possible. It's a reality, it's, it's a lot of work but you know we always say an organization. It's not a sprint, but a marathon. So you got to be able to train up
00:10:03.210 --> 00:10:09.060 Albert Dabah: Did you did you happen to have any experience working in any kind of mental health agency before Nami
00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:18.690 Tina Yun Lee: I don't all not all. In fact, I was in the fashion industry. I was an agent that rep stylists makeup, hair prop and
00:10:19.230 --> 00:10:27.120 Tina Yun Lee: You know, I have to say, you know, if you are involved with Nami, you know, you can go to this organization. And if you need a rifai for a car, you need a plumber.
00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:39.360 Tina Yun Lee: You need, you know, a doctor, go to Nami, you know, because the bottom line is that, you know, mental illness is an equal opportunity illness. It does not discern from economic education color.
00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:48.360 Tina Yun Lee: Ethnicity, it impacts us all. You know, so it's, it's a, you know, wonderful organization where I think you can find your tribe.
00:10:48.930 --> 00:10:59.070 Tina Yun Lee: You know, find people that really get you and support you and it's not just for families and caregivers, but it's also for one peers living you know struggling living in recovery.
00:10:59.670 --> 00:11:09.000 Tina Yun Lee: You name it, you know, it's a organization for everyone. And even if you don't have a mental health condition. I think it's good to get involved because we do a lot of advocacy.
00:11:09.690 --> 00:11:19.710 Tina Yun Lee: At the National, state and local level to provide services because you know I always say, you know, if your community is NOT MENTALLY WELL YOU KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY IS NOT GOING TO GROW.
00:11:20.370 --> 00:11:29.820 Tina Yun Lee: Economically financially, emotionally, you know, socially, so it's important to fuse mental wellness in your community. So there's programs.
00:11:30.180 --> 00:11:33.450 Albert Dabah: That you had you had how many years were you working there.
00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:35.160 Albert Dabah: Oh god, a voluntary now.
00:11:35.400 --> 00:11:43.500 Tina Yun Lee: Right, I think. Let's see. I would say 15 years I was on the board at NAMI mid Hudson, which was the local affiliate that covers Dutchess and Ulster County.
00:11:43.800 --> 00:11:52.710 Tina Yun Lee: And then I was the executive director there for almost a decade. And then I went up to the state office and I was there for two years as their
00:11:53.160 --> 00:12:01.170 Tina Yun Lee: Education Outreach Manager and it was a, you know, wonderful organization to work for. And like you said, you know, I still volunteer.
00:12:01.530 --> 00:12:12.480 Tina Yun Lee: You know, in fact, I just spoke at one of the programs for families with younger kids because, you know, that's my message to that, you know, the earlier you intervene and prevent just like any other illness.
00:12:13.170 --> 00:12:25.740 Tina Yun Lee: You can really prevent a lot of suffering, you know, no water damage because I always say it's a lot easier to, you know, fix the problem when the kids young than when they're an adult, because, you know, once they're an adult. The rules really changed.
00:12:27.030 --> 00:12:32.910 Albert Dabah: You get excuse me I'm very do you get college age youth come into Nami
00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:38.700 Tina Yun Lee: All the time. I mean, you know, we look at the statistics on you know we have you know a lot of
00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:50.610 Tina Yun Lee: Kids, you know, at the college level start experiencing mental health issues. You know, we look at like bipolar disorder schizophrenia. It usually impacts a young person in their early 20s, so
00:12:51.270 --> 00:13:01.710 Tina Yun Lee: For sure, you know, in fact, Nami has a chapter called. You know, Nami on campus where it's a group of students that you know don't particularly they have mental illness, but they're concerned about
00:13:02.100 --> 00:13:11.280 Tina Yun Lee: Maintaining mental wellness on their campus and they do a lot of activities for prevention suicide prevention. But, you know, Nami also has a lot of programs.
00:13:11.760 --> 00:13:17.190 Tina Yun Lee: That are focused on on young adults, you know, and it's so important. I think
00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:27.180 Tina Yun Lee: To make sure that you know when your child goes off to college. If they have a mental illness, the diagnosis. Make sure they have the supports you know make sure they know where to get
00:13:27.540 --> 00:13:32.580 Tina Yun Lee: The support they need on campus, it's it's surprising how many kids arrive at school.
00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.840 Tina Yun Lee: And, you know, they may know where to get a book or where to get food.
00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:48.150 Tina Yun Lee: But they don't know where to go. If they have a mental health challenge or if their, their roommate has a challenge. So Nami does a lot of work on campus to increase that mental health literacy and we do
00:13:48.600 --> 00:14:00.210 Tina Yun Lee: A program called Nami ending the silence to which where we go into high schools middle schools and a lot of the times we do go on to college campuses and we talk about the warning signs and
00:14:00.630 --> 00:14:09.540 Tina Yun Lee: At the end of the program. We have a young adult in recovery speaking about their story of their, you know, there, there's the whole mental health history.
00:14:10.110 --> 00:14:15.060 Albert Dabah: I'd like to know. We're going to go into commercial and about a 30 seconds or so.
00:14:16.170 --> 00:14:20.190 Albert Dabah: I'd like to, you know, I, I saw in your bio. You mentioned
00:14:21.270 --> 00:14:33.210 Albert Dabah: Ending the silence and it's something that really hit me. Because to me, that goes to mean like, you know, breaking that stigma that there is out there about mental illness.
00:14:34.050 --> 00:14:52.260 Albert Dabah: So after the break, I'd really like to talk about that. The whole thing was stigma, because that's the thing that I mean normally here just stigma. But when I saw what you wrote about ending the silence. I like the way that sounded sounded ending the silence, but
00:14:53.400 --> 00:15:06.870 Albert Dabah: The truth of the matter is, it is such a taboo subject and and I'll talk about I'd like to tell you my experience that I can share that with you with about extra innings and making the film as well with some of
00:15:08.460 --> 00:15:11.010 Albert Dabah: The challenges that I faced in making the film.
00:15:12.030 --> 00:15:20.520 Albert Dabah: Which has to do with stigma in my own family, and with distributors and you know people who sell the movies.
00:15:21.570 --> 00:15:30.300 Albert Dabah: It's it's it's not an easy subject, and I'd like to talk to you more about how you so openly talk about it because I think it's so important.
00:15:31.590 --> 00:15:40.530 Albert Dabah: To have this kind of conversation, especially with someone like you that works, you know, and in the field and has a daughter.
00:15:40.950 --> 00:15:53.220 Albert Dabah: With the challenges that she has to face and then you have to face as well. So I think it's really hard for families dealing with these kinds of problems. I think it's amazing.
00:15:54.330 --> 00:16:02.040 Albert Dabah: And wonderful that I think it's so important to work with the family. We'll be back right after this commercial. Thank you.
00:18:36.870 --> 00:18:43.530 Albert Dabah: Hello again. Hi, we're back here on the podcast show of extra innings with Tina Lee.
00:18:46.020 --> 00:18:46.620 Albert Dabah: Tina.
00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:48.960 Albert Dabah: Are you in there.
00:18:49.170 --> 00:18:50.100 Tina Yun Lee: Yeah, I'm here.
00:18:50.490 --> 00:18:53.850 Albert Dabah: Okay. So we left off talking about
00:18:55.050 --> 00:18:56.130 Albert Dabah: Ending the silence.
00:18:57.150 --> 00:19:06.420 Albert Dabah: So I was wondering, because I was related to the whole idea of which is really the same thing of the stigma of mental illness.
00:19:06.780 --> 00:19:17.550 Albert Dabah: So when you were dealing with that, particularly with families, I would say we're anyone, but I would say with families. Did you find getting a lot of resistance from them well.
00:19:17.580 --> 00:19:23.490 Tina Yun Lee: You know, it's interesting. If you look at stats right people typically wait almost a decade to go get help.
00:19:23.850 --> 00:19:32.790 Tina Yun Lee: And I think if you know correlate that say if you had a cavity or a broken arm or cancer, you would people wait that long to get help right and and
00:19:33.060 --> 00:19:45.450 Tina Yun Lee: Many of the families that we worked with would say, you know, the stigma is as as worse as the illness itself, I think, you know, one of the horrible things and tragedies of dealing with mental illness.
00:19:45.930 --> 00:19:55.380 Tina Yun Lee: When you don't have the support is that you know you feel very alone. You know, you feel like you are the only one going through this and you know I know for me, you know,
00:19:55.950 --> 00:20:03.480 Tina Yun Lee: Coming from an Asian family when I was trying to explain to my Dad why Alli was acting the way she was acting, you know, my
00:20:04.050 --> 00:20:10.080 Tina Yun Lee: Dad said, Do you, do you mean she's crazy because in Chinese, you know, the Mandarin word for
00:20:10.650 --> 00:20:17.580 Tina Yun Lee: Mental illness. The closest is, is basically crazy, you know, singeing big and I you know I said well I guess if you're
00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.290 Tina Yun Lee: Speaking of Mandarin, you know, I guess that's the closest thing that we can call alley and
00:20:22.650 --> 00:20:26.850 Tina Yun Lee: You know my dad would say to me, well, you know, I think it's your parenting. You know, I think you're you're
00:20:27.150 --> 00:20:34.770 Tina Yun Lee: Too hard on alley, you know, or, you know, you're too too easy on her, you know, maybe you should take her shopping and you know we jokingly say like, you know,
00:20:35.100 --> 00:20:42.450 Tina Yun Lee: retail therapy is not going to help here. You know, and so I think a lot of families are afraid to talk about it, you know, culturally to
00:20:43.020 --> 00:20:51.480 Tina Yun Lee: You know, some families. I know after after American families. You know when you bring that up, you know it's it's a sign of weakness. It's a character flaw.
00:20:51.990 --> 00:21:02.250 Tina Yun Lee: And so, you know, it's very challenging when you know you're dealing with that with a family that doesn't have the support they may not know about what mental illnesses.
00:21:02.580 --> 00:21:13.890 Tina Yun Lee: And also, you know, the flip side is also something called anak Naja on that is something that person with mental health conditions, maybe denial. They may not think that they're ill.
00:21:14.520 --> 00:21:20.550 Tina Yun Lee: In fact, that's one of the leading causes of why people with bipolar or schizophrenia may not be med compliant.
00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:27.870 Tina Yun Lee: You know, they may think that their reality is everybody's reality, you know, and so, you know, there's lots of challenges when it comes to
00:21:28.530 --> 00:21:34.650 Tina Yun Lee: You know, breaking that that silence and you know and and talking about it but I found that once I
00:21:35.340 --> 00:21:48.240 Tina Yun Lee: Talked about it with my friends and my family, everybody I knew, I knew somebody with mental illness. In fact, one of the playgroups that know I was involved with with my daughter in California.
00:21:48.750 --> 00:21:57.600 Tina Yun Lee: A lot of them later on, said, oh, my sister has bipolar disorder, you know, my husband has depression you know I have anxiety and I thought
00:21:58.140 --> 00:22:11.880 Tina Yun Lee: How sad is it that I have been friends with these people for 20 plus years and they did not share that with me, you know, and I think once we kind of let the walls down our relationship was
00:22:12.750 --> 00:22:21.000 Tina Yun Lee: Just so much better. You know, we just there was just a connection that we all knew that as a caregiver or somebody struggling with a mental health issue.
00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:28.980 Tina Yun Lee: Um, you were survivors. You know, it takes a lot of resiliency, to be able to manage this chronic illness.
00:22:29.370 --> 00:22:36.870 Tina Yun Lee: You know, right now we don't have quote unquote, the cure. So, um, you know, we have to use our skills and we have to be a be a community.
00:22:37.560 --> 00:22:43.410 Tina Yun Lee: We have to be caring, compassionate, for those that are struggling, you know, the family that's being involved. You know, we have to
00:22:43.830 --> 00:22:49.860 Tina Yun Lee: You know, be be open and, you know, an honest that you know if we're struggling, we need to speak up, you know, so
00:22:50.280 --> 00:23:00.810 Tina Yun Lee: It's a, it's a reality. You know, I'm many times I, you know, work with families are like, oh, you know what, I can't tell my work, you know, or I can't you know share that with my mom.
00:23:01.110 --> 00:23:12.060 Tina Yun Lee: You know, because they're going to see see me as less of less of me. So, you know, it is a real challenge. You know, and it's unfortunate because nobody needs to be suffering in silence.
00:23:12.450 --> 00:23:18.090 Albert Dabah: Yeah, I mean, from my own family. I saw how
00:23:19.350 --> 00:23:31.410 Albert Dabah: It was very tough for my friend, my mother was very open about dealing with it, but it really have my father was away a lot. So he she didn't have really his support. I mean, he would
00:23:32.670 --> 00:23:51.060 Albert Dabah: He cared. But he didn't know what to do but also coming from his background, which was, you know, coming from a place like Syria and then living Israel and being an Orthodox Jew, which I think many people in the Orthodox world.
00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:56.670 Albert Dabah: But again, it's, it's, it's not just the Orthodox world we're talking about one piece of the world.
00:23:57.690 --> 00:24:03.960 Albert Dabah: Some of them have problems with dealing with outside of their norm and I think anytime there's a
00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:16.530 Albert Dabah: Norm in a culture and you're outside of that norm, just like you said we're not we're not cookie cutters. We're all different. Every single one of us has difference. If you look at relationships that
00:24:17.130 --> 00:24:25.440 Albert Dabah: You know, let's say, getting married or something. And if one out of two people in this country somewhere that was those statistics that there's a divorce.
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:45.210 Albert Dabah: That means there's a breakdown somewhere if people are supposed to live on and stay together forever but everyone's different. And, and, and there's always hope. And that's one thing that I really believe in and and it's why I call my film extra innings, because I feel like
00:24:46.260 --> 00:24:47.310 Albert Dabah: Life goes on.
00:24:48.780 --> 00:24:53.880 Albert Dabah: No matter what happens, we have to do the best we can. And I am
00:24:55.110 --> 00:25:07.830 Albert Dabah: On Facebook at times with the go to the group survivors of suicide, since I had to and might sue suicides in my family and I read something today from a
00:25:09.270 --> 00:25:23.790 Albert Dabah: brother who lost his young rather to suicide. And he was so despondent, you know, I said, You'll always love them, they will always be with you and yesterday I had another experience where
00:25:25.530 --> 00:25:40.260 Albert Dabah: An old acquaintance of mine who play baseball on the on the same organization that I had played and his daughter took her life about, I think, I think almost about two years now and
00:25:42.630 --> 00:25:52.500 Albert Dabah: I asked him if he wanted to, you know, send him to film. I told him that we're on Amazon Prime. And he watched it and he said, thank you so much. It was very compelling and meant a lot to him.
00:25:53.130 --> 00:26:01.560 Albert Dabah: And he said, thank you for men. We have one section where we mentioned some of the people that I know that kept taking their lives are passed away during that time and
00:26:02.370 --> 00:26:19.350 Albert Dabah: And her name was up there and he said, thank you for mentioning her name on the screen. And because tomorrow's with 31st first day, meaning today and you know it just brought tears to my eyes about, um, you know, I felt good that I was able to, you know,
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:27.900 Albert Dabah: Acknowledge her on the screen with her name, and I don't know how we saw it, because there's a lot of names on the screen and
00:26:28.770 --> 00:26:43.650 Albert Dabah: But, and I remember at the time you when I spoke to him about it. He was very angry and there's so many different feelings should go through when you're affected by suicide, one way or another by parent or brother sibling or whatever friend and
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:53.730 Albert Dabah: I was glad to see that the film, you know, hit him in a way that he watched it and was able to get something from it.
00:26:55.440 --> 00:27:04.800 Albert Dabah: I wanted to just sideways. Now, to what you do now. And you know why you left now me even though you volunteer, so you didn't leave it. Sure.
00:27:04.950 --> 00:27:11.580 Tina Yun Lee: Well, you know, life is an interesting thing. And I think I've been really lucky to be able to to call work.
00:27:12.390 --> 00:27:22.590 Tina Yun Lee: You know my passion. Right. And so my dad unfortunately was diagnosed with dementia, three years ago. And you know this position came up at Alzheimer's Foundation of America.
00:27:23.430 --> 00:27:35.280 Tina Yun Lee: To be their external relations director. So I work with many community members that are providing critical services to seniors. So I kind of flipped to, I guess, you know, another community that
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:41.820 Tina Yun Lee: Is struggling with mental health issues. It's a brain disease and you know we are seeing
00:27:42.540 --> 00:27:48.840 Tina Yun Lee: A high rate of seniors being impacted by mental illness, you know, even eating disorder opioid
00:27:49.320 --> 00:27:57.660 Tina Yun Lee: Abuse as well. So, you know, it definitely is, you know, another passion of mine, I think, you know, like you mentioned, you know, family.
00:27:58.410 --> 00:28:10.830 Tina Yun Lee: Having the support is critical, you know, with any illness. Right. And when you get cancer, you know, there's a zillion people that come and help you. There's a lot of support groups, but when it comes to mental health. It's like crickets.
00:28:11.520 --> 00:28:16.620 Tina Yun Lee: And you're kind of floundering out there, finding finding supports and stuff but
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:25.440 Tina Yun Lee: You know, I think you really touched it. You know when you're talking to your friend. I mean, suicide is one of those words that people are really nervous to talk about
00:28:25.770 --> 00:28:35.610 Tina Yun Lee: And I had to realize that I needed to take the fear out of it. I needed to learn about it. I need to understand why my daughter attempted all you know constantly
00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:44.880 Tina Yun Lee: I needed to to really, you know, be open about it and be able to talk about it without having this shuttering when the therapist would ask Alli
00:28:45.210 --> 00:28:55.140 Tina Yun Lee: You know, are you having thoughts of suicide. No, I just, you know, and to demystify it, you know, and I think that's important as a community that you know we we take this very seriously.
00:28:55.500 --> 00:29:07.170 Tina Yun Lee: We're just losing too many people to suicide, you know, suicides, you know, the second leading cause of death. Now you know among our people and and it's that's a religious, you know, nobody should feel
00:29:09.450 --> 00:29:19.530 Tina Yun Lee: Your life, you know. So I think it's important for us to have these open and honest conversations and talking about. It's not going to encourage somebody to
00:29:20.280 --> 00:29:31.380 Tina Yun Lee: You know attempt. And I think that's one of the biggest myths that talking about it is not going to have somebody say, Okay, I'm gonna die by suicide by now, and also the guilt, like you said,
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:32.550 Albert Dabah: A lot right it's
00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:43.350 Albert Dabah: Their fault. Right. So yeah, I totally agree. There's so many things that go into place. We're going to go into another commercial in a little bit.
00:29:44.760 --> 00:29:56.790 Albert Dabah: But I would like to bring up the whole subject of when someone feels alone about wherever they're at in their mind and their social atmosphere.
00:29:57.360 --> 00:30:08.280 Albert Dabah: And feeling like to do you only ones who have whenever they're feeling and how coven has played a part in that right now because as you know we're all big separated
00:30:09.300 --> 00:30:18.210 Albert Dabah: Exactly the opposite of what we really want because we're we are social animals, and we do need that social connection and
00:30:19.110 --> 00:30:28.920 Albert Dabah: This fires headquarters has also been because of many deaths and many problems politically love this country and all over the world.
00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:48.450 Albert Dabah: And I'm wonder if you can share with us how it's affected in your work. You know, when we come back from this break. But I want to again thank you for being here tonight because it's a pleasure to see you again. Also, so much. It's been a long time.
00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:50.520 Tina Yun Lee: Right.
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:52.230 Albert Dabah: Yeah yeah
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:59.520 Albert Dabah: So we'll, we'll continue with that soon as we come back from this break
00:33:21.360 --> 00:33:24.180 Albert Dabah: Hi there, welcome back to talk radio
00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:26.040 Albert Dabah: We're
00:33:28.710 --> 00:33:29.700 Albert Dabah: Talking about
00:33:31.020 --> 00:33:42.180 Albert Dabah: With Tina Lee here on the show extra innings about her work at NAMI and right now we left off one introducing the whole
00:33:43.620 --> 00:34:01.470 Albert Dabah: Problem and challenges that we're facing today in the world and in this country, of course, of the covert virus, Tina. Can you tell us a little bit how the virus has affected the work that you do the people that you work with. Sure.
00:34:01.800 --> 00:34:07.950 Tina Yun Lee: So I think, you know, all of us can agree that, you know, this pandemic has made life totally unpredictable.
00:34:08.790 --> 00:34:13.530 Tina Yun Lee: And, you know, as you mentioned, you know, we are social creatures. Right. And so, you know, part of the the
00:34:14.070 --> 00:34:20.910 Tina Yun Lee: Viruses about, you know, you use the word socially distance and I have changed my words to be more
00:34:21.630 --> 00:34:27.390 Tina Yun Lee: Talk about physically distant because I think, you know, we still can make maintain our social
00:34:27.990 --> 00:34:40.980 Tina Yun Lee: Sort of connections with people. During this time, but, you know, we do see, you know, during, you know, the CDC has released some numbers that are really alarming, you know, we see that you know 40% of US adults have reported struggling
00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:47.910 Tina Yun Lee: With mental health or substance abuse, and I don't think it's any surprise that we're seeing an increase of anxiety and depression.
00:34:48.390 --> 00:34:58.050 Tina Yun Lee: And you know this is trauma to, as you mentioned, many people are losing their loved ones, you know, the, I think right now a lot of people, you know, can say that they know somebody
00:34:58.620 --> 00:35:09.780 Tina Yun Lee: That has passed away from coven and, you know, we do know that trauma is a serious sort of side effects that can impact your mental health, you know, in fact,
00:35:10.380 --> 00:35:20.550 Tina Yun Lee: Almost every mental illness has some sort of trauma related. And so, you know, we are seeing, sort of, we're going to see more and we're going to see the aftermath, and also the use of
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:31.170 Tina Yun Lee: Or increase use of substance abuse and, you know, we also mentioned, you know, the suicide. We are seeing 11% of people seriously contemplate suicide.
00:35:31.980 --> 00:35:40.290 Tina Yun Lee: You know it is a reality. You know, right now. And you know what we're seeing too is that you know there's already the lack of services.
00:35:40.950 --> 00:35:50.250 Tina Yun Lee: That are available. You know, people in rural areas aren't able to have the amenities of having a computer to have say Tele health, you know,
00:35:50.580 --> 00:35:58.650 Tina Yun Lee: I'd mentioned to you today. It's nice, you know that Cuomo that has released a State of the State Address that he's increasing funding for telehealth.
00:35:59.520 --> 00:36:10.320 Tina Yun Lee: And people are, you know, hopefully, reaching out to get get help. But, you know, we're looking at a lot of people that don't have access to services, even without coven
00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:14.070 Tina Yun Lee: So, you know, I think, you know, one of the things that we do need to
00:36:14.970 --> 00:36:22.290 Tina Yun Lee: Be aware, as you know, reach out, you know, you know, you don't need to particularly maybe see somebody give the personal call you know do that check in.
00:36:22.620 --> 00:36:39.960 Tina Yun Lee: On i think it's it's incredibly important to stay connected. I do you have to say, you know, on the flip side, you know, some, some of the parents that I've talked to that their kids have a diagnosis of mental health issues like anxiety and depression. This little pause and
00:36:40.980 --> 00:36:48.690 Tina Yun Lee: Having remote school has actually been a good thing. It's a bit like a blessing in disguise, you know, they've been able to take sort of a break.
00:36:49.020 --> 00:36:57.030 Tina Yun Lee: From what's causing them to have mental health conditions, you know, and it's just, it is interesting to see some children are thriving.
00:36:57.390 --> 00:37:06.390 Tina Yun Lee: They're able to do school remotely, you know, and they don't have to deal with those outside factors. But, you know, again, I have a lot of friends that are educators and they're
00:37:07.110 --> 00:37:14.910 Tina Yun Lee: One of my friends, you know, she teaches. She told me that estimated 3 million students have actually dropped out of school. They've gone AWOL
00:37:15.450 --> 00:37:25.680 Tina Yun Lee: Since learning since March on you know they're not able to get on and get educated, you know. So I think we are going to see some a lot of collateral damage.
00:37:26.310 --> 00:37:36.120 Tina Yun Lee: In the months and the years coming due to code because you know people I think who thought that they would never have a mental health condition.
00:37:37.080 --> 00:37:44.730 Tina Yun Lee: They're experiencing now. And I think what's scary is that they may not recognize those signs and symptoms and they're suffering, you know, so
00:37:45.390 --> 00:37:52.800 Tina Yun Lee: It's again about mental health literacy. You know, you need to learn, you know, learn about the signs and symptoms if you see somebody
00:37:53.130 --> 00:37:59.700 Tina Yun Lee: You know, I always say in the easiest terms. So, you know, it's like the layman thing if it's impacting your ability to live, love laugh and play.
00:38:00.510 --> 00:38:12.390 Tina Yun Lee: Something's going on, you know, go take a look at it, whether it's a mental health or physical health issue, you know, try to go get help on you know it's not worth you know again suffering in silence.
00:38:13.410 --> 00:38:16.170 Albert Dabah: Well, you know, I want to ask you something, because I'm
00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:33.330 Albert Dabah: A little bit about, you know, my time during this coven period. But you seem to have really gotten a lot of strength in your life from a, it seems, I'm not sure. From where but maybe you can share that. Where, where do you get this thing from
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:44.880 Tina Yun Lee: Well, it's interesting, I think, you know, part of it. I gotta get thank my parents. They're immigrants and so I think they really taught us to be like soldiers, you know, if you get hit, get back up.
00:38:45.540 --> 00:38:53.370 Tina Yun Lee: You know, and that resiliency. It's interesting because, you know, we always talk about the social determinants that can impact somebody's life you know
00:38:53.790 --> 00:39:07.650 Tina Yun Lee: No, no job, no housing no food, no employment, you know that, you know, access to services but you know I do see people who, you know, have all those and they still are struggling, you know, and I think for me, too.
00:39:08.460 --> 00:39:17.130 Tina Yun Lee: I'm not kind of person I know I got this from my mom and I think YouTube you've gone through so much trauma, but you know you're here right and you're being productive in life.
00:39:17.550 --> 00:39:27.480 Tina Yun Lee: I think there's, there was a time where I just said, You know what, I just got to radically accept that this is happening to my family, you know, because I asked a lot like
00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:38.490 Tina Yun Lee: God, why is this happening to me, you know, we're good people. You know, I had to really just say, you know what it is, what it is right now and I've got it just in this moment. That's what I can control.
00:39:38.820 --> 00:39:47.220 Tina Yun Lee: I can't control what happened in the past, I can learn from it, but I also can't control what's happening in the future. You know, I could plan, all I want, and make all these lists.
00:39:47.490 --> 00:39:57.930 Tina Yun Lee: But you know this sounds horrible. I can you know go out and and get hit by a car, you know, I mean, you can't predict that. So one of the things that I I really learned and I highly recommend people
00:39:58.590 --> 00:40:09.990 Tina Yun Lee: To adopt something called dialectical behavior therapy. It's a fancy word for being mindful. We hear that all the time. But that's where that comes from. It's, it's a very Eastern
00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:19.980 Tina Yun Lee: Asian philosophy. But again, stay in the moment you know like enjoy what's happening right now. You know, like I am talking to you, and I am enjoying
00:40:20.610 --> 00:40:28.830 Tina Yun Lee: Seeing your face, listening to your voice, you know, sharing thoughts, right, instead of thinking about, you know, something else like oh I've laundry to do. You know,
00:40:29.640 --> 00:40:38.430 Tina Yun Lee: Work to do or what happened yesterday, you know, you're missing out on life. You know, I think, you know, that's so important to just accept that.
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:46.320 Tina Yun Lee: Right now it's it's it's crappy. You're right. We all want to go out. We all want to enjoy and have our quote unquote normal life but
00:40:46.770 --> 00:41:02.580 Tina Yun Lee: You know, we can't. So instead of letting life pass by. Take this time, you know, to slow down and my daughter and I kind of laugh in that, you know, she said, You know, I'm actually doing pretty good. And I said, Yes, because you've got skills.
00:41:03.630 --> 00:41:18.810 Tina Yun Lee: A lot of my friends. Yeah, they're they're struggling because they don't have the skills are so worried, all the time, you know, and I you know I can't do that anymore. Um, you know, I, I realized, life is really too short. You know, and you've got to enjoy what you have right now.
00:41:18.930 --> 00:41:22.080 Albert Dabah: You know, so yeah, so if you
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:35.550 Albert Dabah: Can stay connected right yeah I mean I really see what you're saying. And I know what the beginning of this virus happened and you know who knew was going to be like this and I started to
00:41:36.990 --> 00:41:49.320 Albert Dabah: Freak out a little bit, you know, being home alone and you know I was, I was on the phone with friends and all that. And I'm divorced and I had been dating. So I said, Well, I can still date, you know, figure it out.
00:41:49.710 --> 00:41:49.980 Tina Yun Lee: That's
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:52.470 Albert Dabah: That's right and
00:41:52.560 --> 00:41:53.070 Tina Yun Lee: I figured
00:41:53.130 --> 00:41:57.780 Albert Dabah: It out and I met a wonderful woman and I'm seeing now for almost six months and we
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:14.610 Albert Dabah: You know we we spend now with the winner. We spent a lot of time inside, but you know, you can say, doing nothing but we're really being together and hanging out and being spontaneous and taking walks in the woods and stuff like that and enjoying what we can
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:21.810 Albert Dabah: And it's been great. It's been a super for me. I also took a life coaching.
00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:28.530 Albert Dabah: Course and got certified during this time because I was formerly a therapist as I had told you and
00:42:29.730 --> 00:42:35.610 Albert Dabah: To get back into doing therapy, I would need a license and you know as a whole big thing. So I took this life coaching course and
00:42:36.330 --> 00:42:47.700 Albert Dabah: You know, to start looking out to get clients and then I still have the business of the production business. I'm spending a lot of time, promoting extra innings, which I would like to get to talk about a little bit here.
00:42:47.850 --> 00:42:49.020 Tina Yun Lee: We have to talk about that.
00:42:49.350 --> 00:42:50.220 And
00:42:51.450 --> 00:42:52.050 Albert Dabah: And
00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:58.470 Albert Dabah: You know, and now starting this podcast show which gives me a chance to
00:43:00.240 --> 00:43:16.800 Albert Dabah: Talk to many different people, whether they're in the field of the wellness field or whether they're in the sports field and baseball or any other sport or whether they're just people that are. I'm a good friend of mine who's a sculpture, which is an artist and she's very sensitive
00:43:18.420 --> 00:43:24.780 Albert Dabah: To what goes on in the world and you know she loved the film and we talked a lot about it so
00:43:26.730 --> 00:43:37.170 Albert Dabah: It, you, you, you, do you have to make the best of the situation and I also started to meditate consistently which really as
00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:37.980 Well,
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:45.570 Tina Yun Lee: And it's funny, my, my daughter actually said to me, You know sometimes you just gotta surrender, you know,
00:43:46.680 --> 00:44:00.600 Tina Yun Lee: I think when you surrender, you open up your opportunities to be somebody was like what I like to say, you know, a growth mindset. You know, you may not have meditated. And if you didn't have cold it right, you might not have, you know,
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.810 Tina Yun Lee: Have this relationship right so i think you know when you surrender and allow yourself to say
00:44:07.200 --> 00:44:14.550 Tina Yun Lee: Okay, I'm going to try it. You know, what's the worst. Second, you know, can happen right you know we tell families a lot when we teach these communication skills in class.
00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:23.760 Tina Yun Lee: You know, they look at me like you mean I have to validate my kid when my kids screaming for letters, words to me. I'm going to say, wow, you're having a hard time
00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:38.460 Tina Yun Lee: That's not what we do right, but I tell them, you know, what is it working for you. Now it's not right. Try it. If it doesn't work, go back to what you were doing before, right, so I've been coven has really allowed us to try cooking. Right. Try exercise.
00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:41.790 Tina Yun Lee: And doing different things that we may not have taken the time to
00:44:41.790 --> 00:44:45.210 Albert Dabah: Yeah, thanks. Tina, we're gonna have to go. I'm sorry.
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.180 Albert Dabah: But we're gonna have to go into another break
00:44:48.330 --> 00:44:49.860 Albert Dabah: Okay, and we'll be right.
00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:52.560 Tina Yun Lee: Back for ending. So we need to do that. Okay.
00:44:52.590 --> 00:44:55.350 Albert Dabah: We, we shall definitely do it. I'll make sure to remember that.
00:44:57.810 --> 00:44:59.670 Albert Dabah: Okay, seeing a little bit
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:00.480 Thank you.
00:47:19.890 --> 00:47:30.270 Albert Dabah: Hi there, we're back at the podcast show of extra innings with Tina Lee and welcome, Tina.
00:47:30.720 --> 00:47:32.490 Albert Dabah: Hello, how are you
00:47:33.870 --> 00:47:34.260 Tina Yun Lee: Good.
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:35.940 Albert Dabah: Good, good, good.
00:47:37.140 --> 00:47:42.000 Albert Dabah: So I'd like to ask you, we first met, because of the film extra innings that I
00:47:42.900 --> 00:48:03.870 Albert Dabah: Produced and wrote, directed and acted in and is now on Amazon Prime. And I'm very proud of what's been happening with the film. So tell me your thoughts about the film, why you chose to show it at NAMI event. And you know what did it mean to you, how did you connect with extra innings.
00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:12.240 Tina Yun Lee: So, you know, professionally. I think it was such a great fit for Nami because as we mentioned it addresses stigma and addresses.
00:48:12.600 --> 00:48:18.270 Tina Yun Lee: Sort of, you know, the mine minority mental health right on the fear of not not knowing
00:48:18.750 --> 00:48:30.600 Tina Yun Lee: You know what was going on with your children. The dynamics between family and the individual and of course you know the realities of, you know, mental health conditions not treated you know suicide occurring but
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:43.230 Tina Yun Lee: I think most importantly was the message at the end was the story. The infusing of hope you know that you know life needs to go on, you know, and as maybe painful as it is.
00:48:44.040 --> 00:48:55.260 Tina Yun Lee: You know the resiliency and human beings, you know, needed to be positive, you know, because I think you know we at NAMI get a lot of films that you know producers come to us with films of mental health and
00:48:55.650 --> 00:49:03.030 Tina Yun Lee: You know, sometimes you leave, it's just you just feel so drained, you know, that wasn't it doesn't end on a positive note, and I think that was was just
00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:12.840 Tina Yun Lee: One of the things when I viewed your movie several times, you know, and then when I talked to my executive director and, you know, Associate Director about showing the film was that
00:49:13.170 --> 00:49:21.900 Tina Yun Lee: You know, I left feeling hopeful, you know, even though it was two suicides, you know, and such payment went through in the movie right
00:49:22.200 --> 00:49:33.990 Tina Yun Lee: But, you know, and that's, I think, why I think this film is one of those films that you know you don't you don't have to go in there saying, okay, it's a film about mental health, you know, or mental illness or suicide. There's so many levels of
00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:42.390 Tina Yun Lee: layers that you can go when you see this movie, you know and and age wise, you know, of course, I think, you know, if there are sensitive topics in there.
00:49:43.380 --> 00:49:52.500 Tina Yun Lee: You know you have a scene with, you know, drug usage, you know, some sexual content on yeah you know I think for families, you know, be aware of that. But
00:49:53.220 --> 00:50:05.040 Tina Yun Lee: I think, more so than none kids already know about that stuff. And I think they're aware of what's going on. And I think this movie is just a movie for everyone. You can go in
00:50:05.610 --> 00:50:10.800 Tina Yun Lee: And seeing it from a sports perspective. You can see about somebody wanting to achieve their dreams.
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:23.370 Tina Yun Lee: And the mental health aspect, obviously, you know, as well. But every time I see that movie, um, you know, I get more out of it, you know, and there's so many subtle nuances. But I do have to say.
00:50:24.150 --> 00:50:34.050 Tina Yun Lee: I think you treated the topic of suicide with such respect that it was, you know, and it sounds. I don't know if it's the right word, beautiful, but
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:41.760 Tina Yun Lee: It was done, respectfully, you know, it wasn't gory and what you know it wasn't sort of making it the
00:50:42.330 --> 00:50:48.810 Tina Yun Lee: Drama type thing. It was real, you know, the feelings that somebody feels when they want to take their life.
00:50:49.140 --> 00:50:57.480 Tina Yun Lee: Um, I think you capture that. So, well, you know, the guilt that people feel you capture that as well. You know, I asked my daughter, you know,
00:50:57.990 --> 00:51:03.870 Tina Yun Lee: With her attempts. What was going through your head, you know, I wanted to understand because I just
00:51:04.260 --> 00:51:14.010 Tina Yun Lee: You know, it was painful. As a parent, just think why you know you at such a young age, you know her first attempt was at nine. You know what made you want to go there, you know, and
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:22.800 Tina Yun Lee: Every time I've talked to people of suicide that have survived suicide. They always say, you know, is that moment of deciding that they don't want to suffer anymore.
00:51:23.190 --> 00:51:29.760 Tina Yun Lee: And then you know when that that that act happens, you know, they're like, oh, you know, there's this remorse, you know,
00:51:30.090 --> 00:51:45.360 Tina Yun Lee: And every suicide survivor has said, no, I'm here because somebody has helped me or you know by the stroke of luck. I'm still here, and I've given been given another chance. You know to do something differently in my life and to and to be productive and again I just thought that
00:51:46.620 --> 00:51:58.950 Tina Yun Lee: The way you filmed. You know, like your sister that just, you know, that moment when she standing on that cliff is just done so beautifully. And so, respectfully, um, you know,
00:51:59.670 --> 00:52:14.190 Tina Yun Lee: Even now, when I think about it, you know, it's something that I think is that when my daughter show, you know, when she attempted, you know, and I and it. Like I said, I thank you for, you know, bring that topic so that people can talk about it, but also
00:52:15.240 --> 00:52:23.790 Tina Yun Lee: You know, doing it so that you know people have a glimpse of, you know, what goes on in somebody's head, you know, and I know that there's a lot of stigma, you know, we
00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:32.340 Tina Yun Lee: You know, a lot of families, say, you know, when you say committed suicide, as if it's a purposeful act you know and I just want people to know that you know
00:52:33.540 --> 00:52:42.390 Tina Yun Lee: There's, there's no shame you know and you know we can't control somebody else's behavior and suicide may happen, but we cannot have the guilt.
00:52:43.080 --> 00:52:51.000 Tina Yun Lee: You know associated with that and it is time to come out of the darkness and talk about it, you know. But you know, I thank you for
00:52:51.450 --> 00:52:58.320 Tina Yun Lee: Really portraying it in a in a realistic but also respectful way because I think a lot of families.
00:52:59.220 --> 00:53:11.880 Tina Yun Lee: That have lost a loved one to suicide, you know, face that every day, you know, as it was a purposeful act. You know, so thank you for for doing that. I think it's so important for us to talk about about this.
00:53:12.450 --> 00:53:27.600 Albert Dabah: Yeah, I appreciate what you have to say. Um, I mean, one thing I can say is that when I when I started writing the film. I talked to a good friend of mine who's a psychologist and I said to him, Robert, you know, I don't know.
00:53:29.160 --> 00:53:46.890 Albert Dabah: I, I feel like maybe two suicides too much to put in the film. And he said to me, Albert. I don't know anyone who's had two suicides in the film, and I've been working in this field for years and I knew that I was going to write it in any way with ultimate I knew I couldn't just do one
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:49.830 Albert Dabah: But it was weird that
00:53:51.660 --> 00:54:02.310 Albert Dabah: The you know when you first minutes to film. I had a friend who said, here's a you know a bunch of PR people and distributors, you can talk to this one guy, he'll I think he'll take your film.
00:54:02.970 --> 00:54:09.000 Albert Dabah: And this is before we show we had shown anywhere. So, you know, I was like, totally. First, you know, I have a
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:23.580 Albert Dabah: Video Production company will be done thousands of videos Simba productions and that produce that they, you know, set up another company called ocean Parkway productions and Simba productions produced the movie and
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:36.630 Albert Dabah: I said the movie to this distributor and he says, Well, I'm a, I'm a Jewish guy and I love baseball and I'll look at this carefully and his first to market for you. So I was two suicides not doable.
00:54:37.080 --> 00:54:47.580 Albert Dabah: And I was like, what, yeah, I was like I was so, like, I'll never forget where I was a felt like, Oh my gosh, you know, I thought this would be
00:54:49.050 --> 00:55:00.090 Tina Yun Lee: That's what happened in your life and there's no I actually have somebody that I know that also has experienced two suicides. Right. And she's here today and we talked about the guilt and
00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:13.020 Tina Yun Lee: You know, again, I think if anybody's experiencing any signs of suicidality on please reach out for help. Albert, do you mind if I give the people the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline phone number, it's
00:55:13.260 --> 00:55:15.300 Albert Dabah: Winter. Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:27.540 Tina Yun Lee: It is one 800 273 talk which is 1-800-273-8255 also if you are a veteran, you can dial the same number and press one. And then there's also a great
00:55:28.170 --> 00:55:48.990 Tina Yun Lee: The Trevor LGBT Q crisis hotline, which is 1866487386 I'm again so important to get the help, you know, and we talked about this right if you save one life. You can save a whole entire generation. That's what we need to keep doing you know one suicides one suicide too many
00:55:50.220 --> 00:55:51.510 Tina Yun Lee: We got to keep talking about it.
00:55:52.590 --> 00:56:10.140 Albert Dabah: Yeah. Right. Exactly. Well, we're coming to an end here of this show, we have about a minute or so left. So I just want to say I really appreciate you being here tonight and having this subject because it's a subject that is not openly talked about
00:56:11.370 --> 00:56:20.940 Albert Dabah: And I think, you know, tough subjects are hard for people to what whether it whether it's a documentary or film or just the going into a
00:56:22.830 --> 00:56:26.310 Albert Dabah: Workshop on something. And if you're not used to it.
00:56:27.660 --> 00:56:30.780 Albert Dabah: You know, a lot of times, like my
00:56:32.070 --> 00:56:48.930 Albert Dabah: Well, we're running out of time, but just to say, you know, I love good films and many of them are dramas that deal with very sensitive subject. So this is one of them. Again, extra innings. It's on Amazon Prime. I welcome everyone to see it. And I think you'll get something out of it.
00:56:50.100 --> 00:56:50.670 Albert Dabah: And
00:56:51.810 --> 00:56:57.240 Albert Dabah: So Tina. Thank you again, we'll, we'll talk again soon. All right, thank you. Have a good evening.
00:56:59.040 --> 00:56:59.430 Tina Yun Lee: Take care.
00:56:59.640 --> 00:57:01.260 Albert Dabah: Be well. Thank you.