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Tuesday, December 1, 2020
Facebook Live Video from 2020/12/01 - Prospect Park South & Ditmas Park, Brooklyn

Facebook Live Video from 2020/12/01 - Prospect Park South & Ditmas Park, Brooklyn


2020/12/01 - Prospect Park South & Ditmas Park, Brooklyn

[NEW EPISODE] Prospect Park South & Ditmas Park, Brooklyn

On this week’s show we will take a look at an iconic Brooklyn neighborhood within a neighborhood, Ditmas Park, which is part of the famous Flatbush.

 My guests will be Jeremy Wilcox, Founder and Owner of Custom NYC Tours, and Dina Rabiner of the Cortelyou Road Merchants Association.

You can also watch the Facebook Livestream video by click here.

Segment 1

Jeff introduces his first guest Jeremey Wilcox, owner of Custom NYC Tours. Jeremey grew up in Richmond Hill, Queens, and decided to get into the tour business when he found out he had a passion for exploring the city. They begin to discuss the history of Flatbush, which started in the 1600s. The development of Flatbush did not begin until the latter half of the 19th century. Jeff asks Jeremey about the history of Ditmas Park and the first buildings to be built around it, which were mostly country mansions. Jeff and Jeremey discuss how the development of a train yard through Ditmas brought many developers to the neighborhood.

Segment 2

Jeff asks what kind of programming Custom NYC tours during the COVID pandemic. Jeremey explains how his tours have become more private and adopted social distancing. Jeremy begins by discussing some of the interesting architecture in and around Ditmas Park. Jeff asks him about how Fisk Terrace got a boulevard developed next to it. They talk about some of the restrictions placed in the deeds to build lofts in the neighborhood.

Segment 3

Jeff welcomes his second guest Dina Rabiner of the Cortelyou Road Merchants Association. Dina moved to NYC after graduate school and has lived there ever since. Before coming to NY, Dina worked in the Peace Corp for years, volunteering in Albania.  The Cortelyou Road Merchants Association offers programs that help support small businesses by providing them with grants.

Segment 4

Jeff asks Dina what the reason behind her moving to Ditmas Park was. Dina first saw the neighborhood when going to a friend’s party and fell in love with it. She describes the neighborhood’s vibe as being very peaceful and feeling like a small town village but with diversity. She goes on to mention a lot of the local events that make Ditmas unique. Jeff asks Dina if she has learned anything recently about Ditmas that has surprised her. Dina says some of the struggles going on right now in Ditmas.


00:00:37.770 --> 00:00:50.430 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone. Welcome to our listeners in the Big Apple from across the US and around the world. I'm Jeff Goodman and you've tuned into rediscovering New York. I also want to say that. Today is December 1 in it is World AIDS Day.

00:00:51.780 --> 00:00:57.480 Jeff Goodman: Professionally, I'm a real estate broker with brown Harris Stevens, and as my listeners know I love New York

00:00:58.080 --> 00:01:02.940 Jeff Goodman: rediscovering New York is a weekly program about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city.

00:01:03.780 --> 00:01:12.930 Jeff Goodman: And we do it through interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists local musicians and artists and the occasional elected official

00:01:13.800 --> 00:01:22.950 Jeff Goodman: Sometimes like tonight we focus on an individual New York neighborhood exploring its history and its current energy. What makes that particular New York neighborhoods special

00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:30.720 Jeff Goodman: On other shows we host episodes of at an interesting and vital color the city and its history. That's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:31.620 --> 00:01:39.180 Jeff Goodman: I'm prior episodes. We've covered topics is diverse and illuminating is American presidents who came from lived in or had some interesting history here in New York.

00:01:40.080 --> 00:01:44.670 Jeff Goodman: We've talked about the history women activists, the women's, women's suffrage movement in the city.

00:01:45.420 --> 00:01:53.610 Jeff Goodman: We've explored the history of African American people in New York, going back to the time, but the Dutch we've looked at the history of the city's LGBT community and the gay rights movement.

00:01:54.570 --> 00:01:59.460 Jeff Goodman: We've looked at the history of bicycles and cycling. They've been around for more than 200 years, believe it or not.

00:02:00.390 --> 00:02:07.650 Jeff Goodman: We've explored pumpkin opera. Those are separate episodes, by the way, although for some people, we could put them in the same show, I would not mind. Man, I suppose.

00:02:08.160 --> 00:02:14.310 Jeff Goodman: We've looked at some of our greatest train stations and even explored some of our bridges. Yes. Everyone New York has amazing bridges.

00:02:14.700 --> 00:02:21.090 Jeff Goodman: And even had a show about coffee and tea and the relationship of New Yorkers through the centuries with with those timeless beverages.

00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:32.280 Jeff Goodman: After the broadcast each show is available on podcast. You can catch us on Apple Spotify SoundCloud Stitcher. And there are some other services that I don't even know about. But the carrier RSS feed and you can find us there.

00:02:32.910 --> 00:02:38.220 Jeff Goodman: Tonight we're journeying back to my home borrow one of my favorite borrows Brooklyn and

00:02:38.970 --> 00:02:44.100 Jeff Goodman: We actually are calling the show to neighborhoods that people know it by because they have neighborhood identities.

00:02:44.490 --> 00:02:53.130 Jeff Goodman: ditmas Park and Prospect Park South hello in a larger sense, we're looking at Victorian Flatbush but a lot of people identify this part of Brooklyn by

00:02:53.460 --> 00:03:00.030 Jeff Goodman: The names, but actually a couple of other names. Including Beverly square West and something having to do with Katyn Avenue.

00:03:00.600 --> 00:03:06.930 Jeff Goodman: We'll leave that to our first guest. And speaking of our first guest. He's Jeremy Wilcox, HE'S RETURNING guests rediscovering New York

00:03:07.710 --> 00:03:14.220 Jeff Goodman: Jeremy is a licensed New York City tour guide in New York native and the owner of custom NYC tours.

00:03:14.970 --> 00:03:23.010 Jeff Goodman: He leaves small groups, the private of walking towards them. They focus on some of the city's neighborhoods, their history, their art and their architecture.

00:03:23.850 --> 00:03:35.910 Jeff Goodman: Jeremy also serves on the board of guides the board of the guides Association of New York City. It's one of the oldest and most active tour guide associations in the United States. Jeremy a hearty welcome back to rediscovering New York

00:03:36.540 --> 00:03:37.290 Jeremy Wilcox: Thank you for having me.

00:03:38.040 --> 00:03:40.290 Jeff Goodman: You're originally from New York. What part are you from,

00:03:40.830 --> 00:03:48.990 Jeremy Wilcox: I grew up in Queens in a neighborhood called Richmond Hill and I lived there until I was my early 20s.

00:03:50.490 --> 00:03:53.910 Jeff Goodman: And you actually live in one of the neighborhoods going to be talking about tonight.

00:03:54.690 --> 00:04:00.870 Jeremy Wilcox: Yes, I lived in in Flatbush just some sort of the other side of the train tracks from Prospect Park South on alomar road.

00:04:02.220 --> 00:04:06.120 Jeff Goodman: Which will be talking about this evening. It's one of the grand boulevards of

00:04:06.780 --> 00:04:19.770 Jeff Goodman: A Prospect Park South. I almost said ditmas Park, but that would be me and corrective as parks. Little bit south of that. When did you decide that you would go into designing and leading towards for people who wanted to know more about the place that we live in.

00:04:21.390 --> 00:04:28.740 Jeremy Wilcox: So I had sort of known that I kind of wanted to do this without realizing what it was probably five years before I became a guide.

00:04:29.250 --> 00:04:39.870 Jeremy Wilcox: I would spend all my free time kind of wandering the city, I had this kind of epiphany over a decade ago where you know everybody complains, the city so noisy. It's busy. It's crowded it's expensive. And I realized, you know,

00:04:40.710 --> 00:04:42.570 Jeremy Wilcox: But most New Yorkers. When I would talk to them.

00:04:43.140 --> 00:04:49.290 Jeremy Wilcox: They went to the neighborhood they live in, and they went to the neighborhood where they work in and maybe visited a friend, they really didn't explore the city and I realized

00:04:49.500 --> 00:04:52.320 Jeremy Wilcox: People are spending so much money and putting up with so much grief to live here.

00:04:52.500 --> 00:04:59.370 Jeremy Wilcox: You really should explore it. So then I started dragging friends along with me. I'm like, have you ever been to this neighborhood. They'd say no. And I'm like, we're going to go and I would research it

00:04:59.820 --> 00:05:08.340 Jeremy Wilcox: And after doing this for a while. A friend of mine said to me, it's like, you know, this is a job like people would pay you to do this to create tours of neighborhoods they haven't been to and

00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:20.250 Jeremy Wilcox: I've sort of written that off. And then I started thinking about it more, and I realized, hey, I could maybe I could give this a try, and about five years ago, I decided to actually give it a go. And I've been doing it ever since and actually getting paid for it.

00:05:21.270 --> 00:05:25.530 Jeff Goodman: That's great. I'm going to ask you about some of your current offerings, a little, a little later in the show.

00:05:26.850 --> 00:05:37.320 Jeff Goodman: Let's move to the neighborhoods and also Flatbush because ditmas Park and Prospect Park South are actually neighborhoods within a neighborhood and we can talk about them.

00:05:37.770 --> 00:05:46.770 Jeff Goodman: Until we, I think we have to talk a little bit about Flatbush when was flat, but first settled by the Dutch because it does go back to the time of the Dutch, doesn't it.

00:05:47.460 --> 00:06:00.720 Jeremy Wilcox: Yes Flatbush is very old. It is one of the original six towns that comprise now Brooklyn so Flatbush is we know what was really founded in 1651 as originally the village of Midwood by the Dutch

00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:20.190 Jeremy Wilcox: And then the Dutch start referring to it as a black boots, which basically meant flat woods because was just marshy forest land and then when the English takeover. The New Netherlands colony and 1664 black boots becomes flat bush but 1651 is really when you can get it back to specifically

00:06:21.030 --> 00:06:26.520 Jeff Goodman: In fact, at the time of the revolution. I think there were six towns or settlements in the once. Now the borough of Brooklyn.

00:06:26.820 --> 00:06:28.920 Jeff Goodman: And five of the six of them had Dutch names.

00:06:29.370 --> 00:06:32.130 Jeremy Wilcox: Yes, the only one that was the English town was graves and

00:06:33.300 --> 00:06:40.530 Jeff Goodman: Couldn't have been such a great place to be called the graves and I would have wanted to hang around and some of the Dutch places. Maybe, maybe not. I don't understand that the Dutch

00:06:41.070 --> 00:06:55.020 Jeff Goodman: Were pretty austere in their, in their attitudes about life in those days, things have changed since then, um, how did Flatbush developed through the century from when the Dutch we're here until the English took over and into the time of the revolution.

00:06:55.890 --> 00:07:05.130 Jeremy Wilcox: Very, very slowly. I mean, it was not developing certainly as fast as its counterpart neighborhoods in Manhattan really up until the second half of the 19th century.

00:07:05.550 --> 00:07:12.240 Jeremy Wilcox: Most of Flatbush was still predominantly farmland and there was still a lot of Dutch families who were living here and owning the land.

00:07:12.510 --> 00:07:19.710 Jeremy Wilcox: Now, there were a few prominent families who, you know, were of Dutch origin, including the Leopards family and the Vanderbilt, you did have, you know,

00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:29.520 Jeremy Wilcox: beautiful country mansions lining Flatbush Avenue and those places, but the majority of Flatbush really up until around the 1870s, or so was was still very rural

00:07:29.970 --> 00:07:39.780 Jeremy Wilcox: So it's very, very slow to develop mean most of the development. Prior to that, in Brooklyn was, you know, further north and what we would consider today downtown Brooklyn Brooklyn Heights and Fort Greene.

00:07:40.170 --> 00:07:46.830 Jeremy Wilcox: And, you know, places like Red Hook and Bedford Stuyvesant Flatbush was really just kind of a sleepy country town for a very long time.

00:07:47.850 --> 00:07:52.770 Jeff Goodman: And you know one question I usually ask at the top of a neighbor discussion, but I didn't. This time, I'd like to

00:07:53.250 --> 00:08:04.290 Jeff Goodman: Honor and acknowledge the people who were here before Europeans came the local to not pay people did people to not pay live in what would become Flatbush and ditmas Park and Prospect Park South before the Dutch game.

00:08:04.830 --> 00:08:17.580 Jeremy Wilcox: Yes, before the Dutch settlers arrived, this was sort of the territory of Illinois pay and they were all over Flatbush you know from Flatbush all the way down to Canarsie and this was sort of their land before the settlement, Eric.

00:08:18.900 --> 00:08:28.320 Jeff Goodman: Well, let's fast forward to the Civil War and a little bit after that, um, what were ditmas Park and Prospect Park South like until the construction

00:08:28.740 --> 00:08:35.910 Jeff Goodman: Of the magnificent homes that we that we see today. Were there any buildings at all. That would have been here before. Before the kind of houses we see now.

00:08:36.900 --> 00:08:44.760 Jeremy Wilcox: A few. I mean, again, it was very undeveloped compared to most of Brooklyn north of it. I mean, again, there were getting these kind of country mansions.

00:08:45.390 --> 00:08:53.460 Jeremy Wilcox: Owned by you know people like the Leopards family there was on Flatbush Avenue Erasmus Academy which grew up into become Erasmus Hall High School.

00:08:53.910 --> 00:08:59.820 Jeremy Wilcox: But Erasmus Academy, which was on Flatbush and that same location by church avenue that had been there since the 1780s.

00:09:00.090 --> 00:09:08.700 Jeremy Wilcox: So there were structures there, but they were, you know, very, very far apart. And then he goes very kind of if you've been to any type of rural small town that's kind of what Flatbush was really like

00:09:09.330 --> 00:09:13.590 Jeff Goodman: But there's that big old famous church right on the corner of church Avenue and Flatbush Avenue.

00:09:13.920 --> 00:09:24.210 Jeremy Wilcox: Yes, and that's one of the great remaining remnants of the Dutch air. It's the Dutch Reformed Protestant church Flatbush I really like say that 10 times fast have been tongue twister. The Dutch Reformed Protestant Church of Flatbush

00:09:24.510 --> 00:09:29.430 Jeremy Wilcox: Was founded in 1654 by Peter Stuyvesant, who was the director general of the colony.

00:09:29.850 --> 00:09:37.650 Jeremy Wilcox: And the church building you see there now on the site is actually the third building to be there, but that one actually dates back to 1798 so it's very, very old.

00:09:37.980 --> 00:09:50.130 Jeremy Wilcox: And the cemetery on its grounds contains the final resting spots of many of the original Dutch families of Flatbush there are burials in that cemetery dating back to the 1700s. It's really quite a remarkable historical site.

00:09:50.670 --> 00:09:52.530 Jeff Goodman: Well, and that can be visited by the way.

00:09:52.950 --> 00:09:53.790 Jeff Goodman: Yes, he's going so you

00:09:55.980 --> 00:10:06.540 Jeff Goodman: The city of Brooklyn commissioned the, I don't want to say the building, but the development. The design of Prospect Park after Central Park was done, that would have been in the 1860s.

00:10:08.070 --> 00:10:15.690 Jeff Goodman: How did the the completion of Prospect Park impact how did this park and Prospect Park South ended up being developed.

00:10:17.070 --> 00:10:27.480 Jeremy Wilcox: Well, obviously. I mean, as soon as Central Park was completed in Manhattan, you know, the land around it became the most desirable real estate on the island. It still is today. I mean, anyone who sees those huge towers going up.

00:10:27.990 --> 00:10:32.970 Jeremy Wilcox: Knows that. And so, you know, certainly there was this belief that that would be the case with its counterpart in Brooklyn.

00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:44.370 Jeremy Wilcox: And right away you know you had on the northern in the park Park Slope is developing. And that's kind of very stately it's still a very, very well regarded neighborhood today and you started having a lot of developers.

00:10:44.940 --> 00:10:53.790 Jeremy Wilcox: By the time he gets like the taking a look at the land south to the park south to the parade grounds and realizing that that could be a very attractive place to develop to

00:10:54.090 --> 00:11:02.190 Jeremy Wilcox: So, you know, there's no coincidence that as soon as Prospect Park was completed developers started buying up land, north, south, east and west of it.

00:11:03.060 --> 00:11:07.830 Jeff Goodman: And one of the earliest developers was Richard frickin who was he, and what was tennis court.

00:11:08.520 --> 00:11:13.950 Jeremy Wilcox: So Richard frickin was the very first developer. And what would become largely known as Victorian Flatbush

00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:22.710 Jeremy Wilcox: Which, you know, was this kind of prototype suburban development in the land south. The Prospect Park adjacent to the old

00:11:23.280 --> 00:11:32.430 Jeremy Wilcox: Brooklyn Flatbush Coney Island Rail Road and he bought up a chunk of land sort of east of the railroad tracks going up to around Ocean Avenue.

00:11:32.790 --> 00:11:38.910 Jeremy Wilcox: And he developed this kind of micro LITTLE SUBURB the houses were not as large as some of the later ones.

00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:49.140 Jeremy Wilcox: And the main sort of stretch of that would have been the street tennis court. And that's kind of a little to block lane that runs from 18 street over to Ocean Avenue.

00:11:49.620 --> 00:11:57.390 Jeremy Wilcox: And was not just kind of a fun play on words really the centerpiece of his development, founded in 1889 was the Knickerbocker field club.

00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:10.230 Jeremy Wilcox: Which is actually still there in in some form today. So it was it was not as large as grand as some of the ones that would follow up, but it was the the prototype for every Victorian Flatbush development that followed.

00:12:11.100 --> 00:12:18.870 Jeff Goodman: And it was very interesting to find out as I as I was getting ready for the show. Jeremy that, you know, unlike so many city blocks that were

00:12:19.380 --> 00:12:33.180 Jeff Goodman: subdivided into lots and you had speculators who bought them in different developers who would would would build different kinds of structures. There actually was a good amount of urban planning that went into the laying out a Prospect Park South and ditmas Park.

00:12:33.990 --> 00:12:36.300 Jeremy Wilcox: Yeah, these were very much planned communities.

00:12:36.990 --> 00:12:49.530 Jeremy Wilcox: But lots were sort of laid out, they put all the utilities underground before you a single structure was built, you know, the telephone electric wiring the plumbing. That was all done by the developers, obviously, in concert with the city and the utility companies.

00:12:49.800 --> 00:12:50.670 Jeremy Wilcox: And answer these

00:12:50.700 --> 00:12:51.960 Jeremy Wilcox: very restrictive.

00:12:52.170 --> 00:13:00.300 Jeremy Wilcox: Kind of, you know, covenants and deeds about how the land could be developed all overseen by the various sort of developers there. So yeah, you were saying there really wasn't

00:13:00.630 --> 00:13:07.530 Jeremy Wilcox: A lot of room for speculation. In fact, a lot of the current sort of covenants, including thickens. And some of the ones that would follow.

00:13:07.950 --> 00:13:17.670 Jeremy Wilcox: Specifically did not allow for sales to speculators, you know, you were buying a property that you were going to own and develop. And there was also a lot of controls on what could be built and how

00:13:19.020 --> 00:13:24.030 Jeff Goodman: Well, many New Yorkers know the Brighton Beach line which is that the be train

00:13:25.140 --> 00:13:29.640 Jeff Goodman: When did actually know the queue tram been dating myself now. It used to be the

00:13:29.640 --> 00:13:32.220 Jeremy Wilcox: Demo that be expressed or runs on we write

00:13:32.550 --> 00:13:49.320 Jeff Goodman: On the weekends. Right, right. When did local train service first come to the neighborhood. And how did that impact how these other developers would would buy up lots of property and then and then and then subdivided but do so you know as as developments.

00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:54.450 Jeremy Wilcox: Well, the, the right of way of the railroad that we know today is the sort of QB Brighton line.

00:13:54.870 --> 00:14:03.210 Jeremy Wilcox: That really comes in in the 1870s, when it was a sort of private commuter rail road more akin to say the Long Island Railroad than to the New York City subway.

00:14:03.540 --> 00:14:09.840 Jeremy Wilcox: And originally was the Brooklyn Flatbush in Coney Island Rail Road later it's sort of known as the Brooklyn and Brighton Beach railroad

00:14:10.260 --> 00:14:16.890 Jeremy Wilcox: And it was this sort of line that was meant to take people from downtown Brooklyn down to these sort of beach resorts that were popping up then.

00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:24.300 Jeremy Wilcox: And the developers realized that obviously the access to this railroad, which eventually then goes over the Brooklyn Bridge into Manhattan.

00:14:24.660 --> 00:14:32.640 Jeremy Wilcox: This is what makes it very, very key. And if you look at maps of these Victorian Flatbush developments. They're literally cut right down the center

00:14:33.180 --> 00:14:39.330 Jeremy Wilcox: By the railroad, so it was this kind of weird duality of building this kind of exclusive planned community.

00:14:40.050 --> 00:14:49.080 Jeremy Wilcox: Specifically planned around it's adjacent convenience to public transportation and then originally that ran at great at street level.

00:14:49.380 --> 00:15:01.980 Jeremy Wilcox: Around 1905 that sort of moved into the trench that it's in now and eventually by 1910 or so it becomes part of what we know today as the New York City subway, but it predates the subway in terms of the basic railroad that's there.

00:15:02.550 --> 00:15:08.640 Jeff Goodman: Oh, I always thought it was that to the right of we included a trench, but that was only dug in the first decade of like 100 and something years ago hundred years ago.

00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:16.920 Jeremy Wilcox: Yes, originally in the 19th century, when it was first built it actually ran at street level. And it was the Victorian flatfish developers who got it changed.

00:15:17.520 --> 00:15:27.390 Jeremy Wilcox: Specifically, Dean Albert, because to go say walking down church Avenue or Beverly road, you have to cross live railroad tracks and you're trying to sell this very upscale development.

00:15:27.690 --> 00:15:35.370 Jeremy Wilcox: And having to cross tracks. It's that you know it doesn't seem very, very upscale so they got the city and the railroad companies to actually move it.

00:15:35.850 --> 00:15:48.570 Jeremy Wilcox: Underground, although it's an open cut which that open cut basically runs from Prospect Park down to Avenue age and then Avenue, he becomes an elevated line down to the beaches, but that was done at the behest of the developers.

00:15:49.050 --> 00:15:50.310 Jeff Goodman: Oh, awesome.

00:15:50.520 --> 00:15:52.050 Jeremy Wilcox: Is more easy to traverse the neighborhood.

00:15:52.530 --> 00:16:00.240 Jeff Goodman: What happened in 19 five and 1910 that would have had to been after Austin Corbin was gone. He was the president of Long Island Railroad back and I think the 1870s and 1980s.

00:16:01.410 --> 00:16:14.400 Jeff Goodman: We're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Jeremy Wilcox of custom NYC to NYC tours. We're visiting Victorian Flatbush today known as Prospect Park South and ditmas park will be back in a moment.

00:18:24.810 --> 00:18:35.070 Jeff Goodman: Welcome back everyone to rediscovering New York and our episode on Victorian flatfish more specifically Prospect Park South and ditmas Park. My first guest is Jeremy Wilcox.

00:18:35.430 --> 00:18:49.650 Jeff Goodman: He's the founder and owner of custom NYC tours Jeremy, I must be challenging. Now, in the days of coven to have events. What, what kind of programming can people take advantage of right now with with custom NYC tours.

00:18:50.550 --> 00:18:56.280 Jeremy Wilcox: So we're still operating obviously we're not getting the business, we would have a year ago or hopefully we will a year from now.

00:18:57.270 --> 00:19:05.490 Jeremy Wilcox: And it's forced guides to adapt. But, you know, I've been managing I try and keep the group small most of my groups are private. So it's, you know, you're not in sort of mixed company.

00:19:06.330 --> 00:19:12.630 Jeremy Wilcox: A lot of guides are using, you know, Bluetooth devices so that people can stay further away from the guide and hear them.

00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:19.140 Jeremy Wilcox: And it just sort of it's it's adapting. But there's still you know there's stuff to do. You know, we've also been working with

00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:25.920 Jeremy Wilcox: The guides Association has an initiative called tour, your own city with its own website where guides are putting

00:19:26.250 --> 00:19:40.470 Jeremy Wilcox: Tours, and we have rigorous health and safety guidelines for that. So there's still stuff to do for people who want to go out and do it. And I just, you know, always would advise people to do your research, make sure that these places do have some guidelines for the carpet safety.

00:19:41.970 --> 00:19:46.170 Jeff Goodman: What kind of Tours, do you have coming up in the next couple of weeks that people can take advantage of.

00:19:47.370 --> 00:19:56.190 Jeremy Wilcox: While I'm still doing my Victorian Flatbush tour every weekend. I'm also still offering a central park walking tour and a midtown deco tour.

00:19:56.580 --> 00:20:05.580 Jeremy Wilcox: This time of year. I also offer by request a tiger heights tour, although it's kind of interesting. I haven't actually been down there yet. I'm not sure what they're going to be doing.

00:20:06.390 --> 00:20:11.280 Jeremy Wilcox: Given the current circumstances. So I've been sort of telling people who've been inquiring like we will discover together.

00:20:11.790 --> 00:20:21.660 Jeremy Wilcox: Now, how you know this is affecting different things. I mean, that's this has been just a year where tour guides are having to learn and adapt. So I just tell people, you know, we've got to be flexible together.

00:20:22.410 --> 00:20:32.340 Jeff Goodman: Well that's good to know. Because when I eventually do my episode on diaper heights. We can have you as the as the historian guests with Tiger heights and how can people find out about you tours, where can they go

00:20:33.210 --> 00:20:42.300 Jeremy Wilcox: They can go to my website WWE dot custom NYC towards calm that has all my tours listed, you can book directly on the site. I also have

00:20:42.750 --> 00:20:54.540 Jeremy Wilcox: Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. People want to see photos from some of my journeys to sort of get an idea of what New York looks like through my eyes, but my website custom NYC tours has all the information they should need

00:20:56.340 --> 00:21:00.750 Jeff Goodman: When you look at ditmas Park and Prospect Park South to the uninitiated

00:21:01.170 --> 00:21:09.000 Jeff Goodman: They can seem like you're in the same neighborhood, because the houses compared to most of the houses in New York City. They look they they look similar, they look similar.

00:21:09.930 --> 00:21:16.710 Jeff Goodman: But they're actually not homogeneous. They're actually differences between them. And there are differences, specifically to these two neighborhoods within the neighborhood.

00:21:17.010 --> 00:21:23.730 Jeff Goodman: ditmas Park and also Prospect Park South, you want to speak a little bit about the the differences in the in the design of the streets in the neighborhood.

00:21:24.540 --> 00:21:30.990 Jeremy Wilcox: Sure. So I think most people if you just walk through Victorian Flatbush you'd never know. They were sort of separate development because again it is very

00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:37.590 Jeremy Wilcox: You know, a margin is in terms of the architecture, you could walk down the road from Kingston Avenue, all the way down to the new age.

00:21:38.070 --> 00:21:42.900 Jeremy Wilcox: And it's very clear the same Victorian architecture, but they were all completely separate developments.

00:21:43.710 --> 00:21:54.180 Jeremy Wilcox: You had can Richard thickens tennis court, which was the first, followed by which is probably the you know the most prominent one which was Dean Albert's Prospect Park self.

00:21:54.810 --> 00:21:59.760 Jeremy Wilcox: Developed sort of an 1890s, then you had TB akerson does the to Beverly squares.

00:22:00.330 --> 00:22:05.370 Jeremy Wilcox: Then you have Lewis pounds doing ditmas Park TV actress and comes back and also does Scott Fisk terrorists.

00:22:05.790 --> 00:22:11.310 Jeremy Wilcox: So there are these very, very separate developments, but all trying to be cohesive you know they were there was

00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:25.050 Jeremy Wilcox: Once Richard thick and had kind of created this blueprint for what became Victorian Flatbush. It was all the developers just sort of putting their own unique spin on it so different, but the same as the way I would call each of these districts

00:22:26.100 --> 00:22:35.910 Jeff Goodman: Well, it's no secret that I'm a lover of New York and I think almost everything is bigger and better here than everywhere else. And one surprising factoid about these homes.

00:22:36.330 --> 00:22:44.790 Jeff Goodman: Is, you know, most people who have seen movies and had been to places like in the Midwest and upstate New York that were developed around the same time that had these gorgeous homes.

00:22:45.390 --> 00:22:53.910 Jeff Goodman: Most people don't know that Victorian Flatbush actually has among the highest number, the largest number of Victorian homes anywhere in the United States.

00:22:54.930 --> 00:22:59.820 Jeremy Wilcox: Oh yes, absolutely. And some of them are just really remarkably grand. I mean you like I said you could walk

00:23:00.360 --> 00:23:08.160 Jeremy Wilcox: For, you know, an hour or more just kind of wandering through the streets and you just, just see block after block them. Some are just absolutely massive

00:23:08.430 --> 00:23:17.730 Jeremy Wilcox: There's this gorgeous one on the corner of Albemarle road and our guides got 10 bedrooms six bathrooms. I mean just huge. And the beautiful malls on the streets.

00:23:18.120 --> 00:23:29.940 Jeremy Wilcox: And even within that recognizable style. There's just so much variety. So if people are fans of that type of residential architecture. I mean Flatbush is really a treat. I think it's one of the most stunning residential neighborhoods.

00:23:30.810 --> 00:23:34.950 Jeremy Wilcox: In terms of its variety and vibrancy in any of the five boroughs.

00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:45.900 Jeff Goodman: You mentioned the malls Jeremy, you know, one beautiful and fascinating part of this neighborhood is that it streets aren't just beautiful. But some of them are also Boulevard, like with with mediums in the center.

00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:59.700 Jeff Goodman: It's the only part of Brooklyn that I know of that has these kinds of media, aside from Eastern Parkway and ocean Parkway. But those are different. Those are like huge commercial streets with apartment buildings on both sides, but but this is much more suburban

00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:13.620 Jeff Goodman: Albemarle road is known, which is in Prospect Park South is known as the grand boulevard of the neighborhood. But there's another street. I want to ask you about it's further south. It's in ditmas Park. It's the 17th Street, which runs north south.

00:24:14.100 --> 00:24:24.990 Jeff Goodman: And between foster afternoon and and and the Bay Ridge line. The, the, the railroad that sort of also a cut, but that's a commercial remedy was never residential was number passenger

00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:33.570 Jeff Goodman: How is it that this one additional street managed to get a boulevard design in the middle of it, and none of the other streets around it did.

00:24:34.830 --> 00:24:39.960 Jeremy Wilcox: So that's very interesting. So that's the section, known as sophist terrorists, which was developed by TB akerson

00:24:40.470 --> 00:24:51.690 Jeremy Wilcox: And because he was developing after Dean Albert does Prospect Park self he's trying to say like, Oh, what were the kind of interesting things I saw there. I want to do there, and he loved those you know medians down

00:24:52.140 --> 00:25:01.110 Jeremy Wilcox: The road and there is another section on Glenwood row that has the medians as well. And that kind of makes sense because like alomar road that's a sort of East West running Street.

00:25:01.650 --> 00:25:08.010 Jeremy Wilcox: Of the sort of North, South, running streets, as you mentioned, he 17 Street is really the only one in that section.

00:25:08.550 --> 00:25:18.960 Jeremy Wilcox: South Newkirk plaza that has it why they picked a 17th rather than his 16th or rugby. I'm not sure. I mean it is obviously a wider Street to accommodate that.

00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:24.660 Jeremy Wilcox: On I so I'm just not entirely sure. The only thing I can think of is as you're coming

00:25:24.990 --> 00:25:31.620 Jeremy Wilcox: Sort of out of Newkirk Plaza, and you just sort of make that quick left. It might be the first street you walk down. So they were just trying to say what's

00:25:31.890 --> 00:25:38.700 Jeremy Wilcox: If we're trying to entice people who are coming off the train to buy real estate here. What's the street. We want to make a little extra fancier but it is kind of

00:25:39.210 --> 00:25:47.430 Jeremy Wilcox: Fascinating. It's just this one aspect of prospect parks out that TV acquisitions, like I'm going to copy that from Dean, however, because I really liked the way it made the neighborhood.

00:25:48.810 --> 00:26:01.230 Jeff Goodman: I have an architectural question. Is there any architecture that specific to the houses in Prospect Park South and ditmas park that you don't see in other Victorian neighborhoods and other parts of the United States.

00:26:03.270 --> 00:26:07.020 Jeremy Wilcox: That's a good question. I'm not, you know, sure. I mean, each of them are a little bit different.

00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:17.130 Jeremy Wilcox: You know, one interesting thing is, you know, infamous part, for instance, there's a lot of more bungalow stuff houses versus any other areas Prospect Park South probably has some of the more

00:26:17.610 --> 00:26:19.680 Jeremy Wilcox: eye catching sort of variety

00:26:20.430 --> 00:26:24.810 Jeremy Wilcox: Because john J pettitte who was sort of the chief architect of Dean Albert and prospect parks out

00:26:25.020 --> 00:26:35.700 Jeremy Wilcox: He really put a lot of flourishes on buildings. So you can go on Buckingham road and see the beautiful Japanese house of Flatbush if you go on to rugby road between Church and Albemarle

00:26:36.030 --> 00:26:44.730 Jeremy Wilcox: There's a beautiful Swiss chalet looking house there's Neo tutor houses. And so that was one thing that pettitte excelled in is kind of taking these hybrid

00:26:45.210 --> 00:26:55.890 Jeremy Wilcox: Forms, you know, in a Victoria neighborhood you had a Japanese house you had a sort of Swiss chalet style house right next to the Swiss house on Robbie, there's sort of a Spanish mission house. It looks like it's sort of escape from New Mexico.

00:26:56.280 --> 00:27:09.240 Jeremy Wilcox: So that's, you know, and you really aren't don't see that and other Victorian neighborhoods throughout the United States. And that's more do to actually john edits sort of architectural flourishes than any of what sort of the developers had wanted. Well, you

00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:19.560 Jeff Goodman: In my eyes. There are also two other things that you have in ditmas Park and Prospect Park South, you don't have in most other 19th century neighborhoods in New York City. One of them are front porches.

00:27:20.760 --> 00:27:31.500 Jeff Goodman: And another a gate posts. You really don't see I the only place I've seen gatepost and maybe I haven't been to every single street in the city, but the only other place you see in this is Forest Hills gardens.

00:27:33.030 --> 00:27:39.030 Jeff Goodman: With a sort of designed at the beginning by developers to to demarcate streets and sidewalks.

00:27:39.210 --> 00:27:44.670 Jeremy Wilcox: Yes, the gay posts again were first introduced by Richard Fick and you can find beautiful postcards online.

00:27:45.090 --> 00:27:53.010 Jeremy Wilcox: Showing the entrance to tennis court at the intersection of tennis court and Ocean Avenue with these beautiful brick gatepost that said tennis court on them.

00:27:53.310 --> 00:27:59.160 Jeremy Wilcox: And Dean Albert, basically, you know, took that and he did them at Prospect Park South because we're a little bit more or Nate.

00:27:59.550 --> 00:28:07.410 Jeremy Wilcox: On all of the sort of entry streets and the Prospect Park South you see these big, beautiful brick gay posts that have these sort of neighborhood in Sydney on them PSP.

00:28:08.610 --> 00:28:16.380 Jeremy Wilcox: And then down at Fisk terrorists TV actress and did those as well. And that was just kind of meant to visually qu and showing you that

00:28:16.650 --> 00:28:24.630 Jeremy Wilcox: You were in this planned community. You weren't just going into any other neighborhood in Brooklyn. This was an unusual neighborhood and the front porches were part of

00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:31.470 Jeremy Wilcox: Specifically, you know, when Dean Albert was really looking to the big porches. He wanted the neighborhood to look open and inviting

00:28:31.770 --> 00:28:44.670 Jeremy Wilcox: You know there were these rules about how you had that big wide open lawns, you had a big porches, the malls were another way of doing it. He wanted as much open space as possible and really wanted to sell that openness.

00:28:45.630 --> 00:28:50.580 Jeff Goodman: On ask you a kind of a nerdy real estate question, but since I'm a real estate and sometimes people think I'm a nerd. I'll ask it.

00:28:51.180 --> 00:29:02.490 Jeff Goodman: You know, you talked about how the developers wanted the the environment to look, did they actually put any restrictions in the deeds for the property after they built them in any of the individual lots

00:29:03.270 --> 00:29:09.720 Jeremy Wilcox: Oh yes, there were particular I mean all of them, you know, Richard frickin had restricted deeds akerson did

00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:18.360 Jeremy Wilcox: But Louis sorry a dean Albert had the most sort of restrictions, you have to have a certain amount of front yard. The front yard had to be a minimum size.

00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:30.000 Jeremy Wilcox: You also could not have fences around your property, you could not have hedges in your front yard. You could have hedges sort of on the rear of the house. If you want a little bit of privacy in your backyard from the street but

00:29:30.570 --> 00:29:44.730 Jeremy Wilcox: There were also sort of restrictions on you know how the lots can be developed very, very restrictive deeds and covenants and Prospect Park South. I mean literally like down to, you know, how you landscaped your, your home.

00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:46.470 Jeremy Wilcox: Well,

00:29:46.860 --> 00:29:52.020 Jeff Goodman: One of the questions I want to ask you, it's such these neighborhoods are so beautiful and so unique.

00:29:52.350 --> 00:29:59.970 Jeff Goodman: And I remember them from growing up, I went to school and near there and had had friends who lived in the neighborhood. I was always in awe of the houses.

00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:10.770 Jeff Goodman: Did the architecture and maybe the the way the cities were designed did that inspire the design and any other neighborhoods in the city, specifically in New York.

00:30:11.490 --> 00:30:17.790 Jeremy Wilcox: Yeah, I think the Victorian Flatbush really began the trend away from this typical brownstone and row house development of Brooklyn.

00:30:18.060 --> 00:30:24.450 Jeremy Wilcox: To more of the suburban style development. I mean, you can see that going down to Decker heights, which was really developed more suburban

00:30:24.750 --> 00:30:38.190 Jeremy Wilcox: And would you know mostly developed after Victorian Flatbush and I really think that was the big thing developers realize the potential of these standalone homes and what we think of today as a suburb versus the typical again row house brownstone mold.

00:30:40.170 --> 00:30:51.750 Jeff Goodman: Well, thank you, Jeremy. Jeremy Wilcox of custom NYC tours has been our first guest on this program about Victorian Flatbush, also known as Prospect Park South and ditmas Park.

00:30:52.230 --> 00:30:59.490 Jeff Goodman: You can take advantage of Jeremy's tours at custom NYC tours com that I get that right. That's correct. Excellent.

00:31:00.060 --> 00:31:04.560 Jeff Goodman: Alright, we're going to take a short break and when we come back, we're going to be joined by our second guest.

00:31:04.860 --> 00:31:13.260 Jeff Goodman: who not only lives in the neighborhood, but who helps businesses through a very special Business Association. That's right smack in the middle of it will be back in the middle in a minute.

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00:34:46.830 --> 00:34:55.950 Jeff Goodman: When I'm not on the air. I am indeed a real estate agent now amazing city where I help my clients buy sale lease and run property, including ditmas Park and Prospect Park South

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00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:13.710 Jeff Goodman: You can reach me and my team. It's 646-306-4761 our second guest on this program about ditmas Park and Prospect Park South is Dina revenue.

00:35:14.430 --> 00:35:19.530 Jeff Goodman: Throughout her career Gina has supported small businesses and entrepreneurs and marketing, sales and partnerships.

00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:23.790 Jeff Goodman: After serving as director of sales and marketing of the local news site Brooklyn or

00:35:24.210 --> 00:35:32.610 Jeff Goodman: And by the way, that's be Cal BK Li n, er, for those of us old enough to remember Brooklyn is BK Li n and not all spelled out

00:35:33.060 --> 00:35:40.680 Jeff Goodman: And then part of the New York City economic development Corporation's women dot NYC program Gina recently joined the team at the Brooklyn chamber of commerce.

00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:52.050 Jeff Goodman: She's also the co president of the fatality road Merchants Association, which is amplified local ditmas Park and Flatbush businesses informing them of resources and organizing local community events.

00:35:52.560 --> 00:35:59.040 Jeff Goodman: Do you know has a master's in city and regional planning from Cornell University with a focus on increasing community participation in the planning process.

00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:06.300 Jeff Goodman: Earlier in her career she joined the first group of Peace Corps volunteers to be assigned to Albania and I want to ask Tina about that as well.

00:36:07.020 --> 00:36:17.520 Jeff Goodman: She's lived in Brooklyn, with her family 15 years first in prospect heights. And then, of course, moving to ditmas park where she now lives. Dina rabbit or a hearty welcome to rediscovering New York

00:36:18.420 --> 00:36:19.500 Dina Rabiner: Thank you for having me.

00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:22.620 Jeff Goodman: You're not originally from New York. Put your parents were

00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:42.210 Dina Rabiner: Yeah, I mean, I'm from New York State and just not from the US Chester and but my parents, my grandparents, you know, we would come here, my grandparents were in Coney Island. My other grandparents were in east New York. My dad grew up in Sheepshead Bay.

00:36:43.560 --> 00:36:49.050 Dina Rabiner: You know my, you know, so I know I Brooklyn has always been a part of my life.

00:36:50.100 --> 00:36:50.790 Dina Rabiner: And

00:36:52.560 --> 00:37:05.670 Dina Rabiner: You know, for my parents. It was a place they long to escape from whereas, you know, for us it was a place where was, you know, exciting and interesting and an opportunity

00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:12.000 Jeff Goodman: So was a Brooklyn. Your first stop coming to New York as and as an adult and living here.

00:37:12.030 --> 00:37:18.120 Dina Rabiner: Now i mean i after graduate school. I went to Manhattan. I was working in Manhattan.

00:37:19.350 --> 00:37:30.390 Dina Rabiner: And and but then after a few years, actually took a job in like the edge of Brooklyn Heights and it was right when things were kind of

00:37:31.230 --> 00:37:39.990 Dina Rabiner: Was like nine 2000 so when things were kind of changing and Brooklyn, like on Atlantic Avenue and so forth. So there were all these new little boutiques

00:37:40.680 --> 00:37:53.160 Dina Rabiner: But then it took a while until my husband actually lived in Brooklyn. At the time he lived in Sunset Park. So I would come to Brooklyn a lot when we were dating. So that's how I started to get familiar with.

00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:57.990 Jeff Goodman: When did you join the Peace Corps was it right after college, Tina.

00:37:59.250 --> 00:38:09.210 Dina Rabiner: Yeah, I mean, right after college. I actually went to. I worked in Tijuana for organization. While I was waiting for Peace Corps to their decision. And then I went

00:38:09.930 --> 00:38:28.050 Dina Rabiner: To Albania, they had just opened up the program. We were the first Americans to serve as Peace Corps volunteers and to live in the country after a really basically Stalinist dictatorship. So, you know, is a great opportunity.

00:38:28.650 --> 00:38:32.790 Jeff Goodman: Well, Albania, of course, was like the last Stalin is hold out and probably the most touristy or

00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:42.270 Jeff Goodman: Stolen stayed in Europe, I'm always in awe of people who volunteer and give several years of their lives to better people's lives of the Peace Corps.

00:38:42.990 --> 00:38:51.360 Jeff Goodman: What have you decided that that was the direction you would take in the second part of the question is, did you know that when you volunteered that Albania was going to be your destination.

00:38:52.440 --> 00:39:02.130 Dina Rabiner: No, I mean, for me, it was always just a goal of mine. You know, one was to do the Peace Corps and the other was to run the New York City Marathon. I've done both

00:39:03.660 --> 00:39:13.140 Dina Rabiner: But I just, I mean, I was I speak a lot of languages as a kid I lived abroad, a lot. I lived in Brazil. I lived in Japan.

00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:31.740 Dina Rabiner: Both, you know, with my family and but it was, you know, different type of living, then then doing Peace Corps work. I'm just always just something I want you know on my bucket list and my husband to also as a Peace Corps volunteer. So, kind of in our blood.

00:39:32.070 --> 00:39:33.900 Jeff Goodman: I'm to give me to the Peace Corps.

00:39:34.770 --> 00:39:38.580 Dina Rabiner: No, no, he was he was in the Central African Republic.

00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.000 Dina Rabiner: And he was your early years earlier than me.

00:39:43.530 --> 00:39:51.480 Jeff Goodman: When did you join the staff at the New York City Economic Development Corporation. Also, can you talk a little bit about the W about NYC women.

00:39:52.710 --> 00:40:09.600 Dina Rabiner: So last year I was asked to serve as a consultant for a program called women dot NYC which was designed to help promote women in their careers, whether they are deciding or well established.

00:40:10.050 --> 00:40:24.570 Dina Rabiner: So I was brought on to do live events for for this program, then you know when the pandemic hit live events weren't so vital so so my stint ended after that.

00:40:25.620 --> 00:40:38.790 Jeff Goodman: Well, a lot of your so much of your career really is about Brooklyn and I'm a Brooklyn native and I also grew up in Sheepshead Bay, by the way, where your dad grew up, um, what kinds of stories or projects did you work on when when you were at at Brooklyn or

00:40:39.720 --> 00:40:49.440 Dina Rabiner: Um, so with Brooklyn. I was more on the sales and marketing side. So I was more involved with businesses and helping them.

00:40:50.310 --> 00:41:03.240 Dina Rabiner: You know clearly advertising, but also putting out their stories and also organizing events. So I got to know a lot of the different areas of Brooklyn. When I started at Brooklyn or it was also a

00:41:05.910 --> 00:41:11.970 Dina Rabiner: Bunch of different smaller sites. So there was one called ditmas Park Corner, which was

00:41:12.540 --> 00:41:20.190 Dina Rabiner: The one that I was kind of hired into and then and then ultimately they all became Brooklyn or so I got very

00:41:20.670 --> 00:41:29.100 Dina Rabiner: Involved with local businesses. And that's actually how I got to know the cartel you road and Merchants Association.

00:41:29.970 --> 00:41:42.000 Dina Rabiner: Because I would go to their meetings, you know, see what are the issues that businesses are having. How do they get the word out because there weren't many opportunities for businesses to, you know, there's aren't so many newspapers.

00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:52.950 Dina Rabiner: For small business to advertise in or to promote themselves in so that kind of put me in touch with what they were dealing with and how to reach people

00:41:53.850 --> 00:41:56.040 Jeff Goodman: I will just tell you, road Merchants Association.

00:41:56.850 --> 00:42:07.890 Dina Rabiner: Um, it's at least 25 years old on its head said different forms and it was originally started by

00:42:09.270 --> 00:42:19.560 Dina Rabiner: This game games camera which you. Sadly, he passed away last last year early. Maybe it was even earlier this year.

00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.690 Dina Rabiner: But he had started the association.

00:42:25.710 --> 00:42:32.610 Dina Rabiner: You know, many, many years ago when ditmas Park was in a different phase of its life.

00:42:34.020 --> 00:42:37.290 Jeff Goodman: What kinds of programming. Does, does the association or for now.

00:42:38.160 --> 00:42:46.080 Dina Rabiner: So we're a member based Association, where it's run by volunteers. I'm actually not a merchant.

00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:47.580 Dina Rabiner: And

00:42:48.810 --> 00:42:55.920 Jeff Goodman: By the way, I don't know if I didn't say that in my introduction. I apologize, but Jesus the CO president of the hotel you read Merchants Association.

00:42:57.120 --> 00:43:09.420 Dina Rabiner: But, you know, basically we're here, you know, our role is to amplify the businesses to support them, especially during this time the pandemic or role has really

00:43:10.140 --> 00:43:31.530 Dina Rabiner: Turned more to supporting them and providing resources and understanding what's out there from grants and funding to pee pee and so forth. So we've really ramped up our communications, whereas prior use they used to do a few events and that was about it.

00:43:32.640 --> 00:43:44.100 Dina Rabiner: So we've kind of been re you know re reborn and the team. I work with Susan Siegel, who used to own the Brooklyn artery is also a real estate agent.

00:43:44.550 --> 00:43:56.040 Dina Rabiner: Among many other things, and together we have other board members who Anthony Finkel who's a local business owner Adam Robertson.

00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:08.730 Dina Rabiner: One of the CO owners of Kings County wines and then we work really closely with the Flatbush Development Corporation as well with loopy Ramsey and Nina Leonard who were really invaluable to us.

00:44:09.630 --> 00:44:13.050 Jeff Goodman: If people wanted to find out more about the association, how can they get in touch with you.

00:44:13.830 --> 00:44:22.680 Dina Rabiner: So, you can find us on my cartel you calm or on social on Instagram and Facebook micro tell you

00:44:23.580 --> 00:44:27.090 Jeff Goodman: I love that URL, by the way, is really the real sense of ownership.

00:44:29.010 --> 00:44:39.840 Jeff Goodman: Okay, we're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Tina rabbit or who is the co president of the control your road Business Association and who lives in ditmas park will be back in a moment.

00:44:47.370 --> 00:44:47.550 In

00:46:58.080 --> 00:47:06.420 Jeff Goodman: We're back and you're back to rediscovering New York on our episode event Victorian Flatbush more commonly known these days is Prospect Park South and ditmas Park.

00:47:06.690 --> 00:47:17.430 Jeff Goodman: My second guest is Tina rabbit and Dina is the co president of the cartel you road Merchants Association, you know, I mean I pronounced it a little while ago my Brooklyn was coming out. I said, Can tell you, instead of course Elio

00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:22.440 Jeff Goodman: But you know the sake of our listeners who aren't from New York, it's it's spelled cartel you

00:47:24.030 --> 00:47:27.060 Jeff Goodman: You lived in prospect heights and now you're in ditmas Park.

00:47:28.170 --> 00:47:30.780 Jeff Goodman: What made you decide to move to the neighborhood Dina

00:47:32.520 --> 00:47:47.970 Dina Rabiner: Um, well, I mean, we first got introduced to ditmas Park. We were invited to a party after my son was born. And we kind of arrived in ditmas and we were like, what, you know, where we landed and

00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:59.940 Dina Rabiner: You know, we weren't familiar with the area at all. And, you know, it was so bucolic and you know it was it had kind of all the best of both worlds from

00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:12.570 Dina Rabiner: You know, beautiful homes quiet streets and that you're still, you know, just a block or two from the subway. So first got introduced and then took many, many years like 10 years

00:48:13.290 --> 00:48:24.360 Dina Rabiner: For us to finally find the perfect place, but it was always in the back of our mind as a place that we wanted to come back to, and eventually move to

00:48:25.410 --> 00:48:28.410 Jeff Goodman: Describe the vibe of this park. What do you like about it.

00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:43.290 Dina Rabiner: Um, I mean, like is it what the it's just very peaceful. I mean you you've kind of get off the subway and you know kotel you wrote itself is because kind of a small town village like feel

00:48:44.100 --> 00:48:58.530 Dina Rabiner: You know, yet at the same time it's incredibly diverse. I mean, people are calling it like a restaurant row and basically travel the world in like seven blocks, you can get Tibetan food and Filipino and

00:48:59.580 --> 00:49:03.540 Dina Rabiner: Israeli and and everything else everything in between.

00:49:04.710 --> 00:49:13.950 Dina Rabiner: But then you go down the streets and you know you see these incredible homes and one is, you know, more magnificent than the other. And, you know, nothing is cookie cutter.

00:49:15.030 --> 00:49:31.140 Dina Rabiner: So, but yet you know it just you feel safe. You feel calm and especially during this time. I mean, I've realized how fortunate we are to live in this kind of little village where, you know,

00:49:32.160 --> 00:49:35.310 Dina Rabiner: You, you, you have everything at your fingertips.

00:49:36.330 --> 00:49:49.800 Dina Rabiner: And you know it feels like home and people greet you on the street and you know lift in other parts of New York City and you know people turn the do their best to just ignore you. And I don't find that in ditmas at all.

00:49:50.520 --> 00:49:52.680 Jeff Goodman: How long have you lived there for no

00:49:54.300 --> 00:50:01.200 Dina Rabiner: I'm at this like next month. This month I guess it'll be six years since we're here.

00:50:01.950 --> 00:50:06.870 Jeff Goodman: Have you seen any changes in in the neighborhoods. And since you and your husband moved there.

00:50:08.310 --> 00:50:22.440 Dina Rabiner: Um, well, there's definitely been more development, but I would say the development has been a little closer to new Kirk, there's more buildings going up. There's a few new buildings on hotel you road.

00:50:23.550 --> 00:50:30.090 Dina Rabiner: But you know, I feel like people are more aware of ditmas like when we first moved to people. No one knew what we were talking about

00:50:30.720 --> 00:50:42.060 Dina Rabiner: We only knew one or two people. And now it feels like you know maybe it's a it's a product of, you know, people exploring more but also I think a lot of the events that we've had.

00:50:42.450 --> 00:50:48.900 Dina Rabiner: People are becoming more and more aware. I mean this summer didn't miss kind of exploded with music.

00:50:49.290 --> 00:51:03.270 Dina Rabiner: And we had a big event called make music ditmas which was an incredible success and the New York Times covered it and different news agencies covered it and you know you could hear live music

00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:13.710 Dina Rabiner: You know, in seven seven different porches across the neighborhood and it still continues today. So it's kind of becoming this cultural center.

00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:16.380 Jeff Goodman: Well, when does that take place when

00:51:17.370 --> 00:51:27.720 Dina Rabiner: It happens on make music. There's make the larger organization of make music or make music, New York. It's around. It's like June, I think it was around June 20

00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:47.640 Dina Rabiner: So yeah, and this year was just an incredible success and every it was, you know, we were blessed with good weather. But, you know, people would go from porch, the porch and then people would stroll along cartel you and it just had that real feeling of like a small town in a big city.

00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:52.230 Jeff Goodman: Wow, it's almost sounds like I don't know if you've been to French Quarter festival in New Orleans at

00:51:52.950 --> 00:51:58.020 Jeff Goodman: It sounds like a Victorian New York version of French Quarter fest. Unlike jazz fest.

00:51:58.350 --> 00:52:10.440 Jeff Goodman: Which is at the track and you have to pay money to go French Quarter festival. It has these like doesn't Bandstand set up in the street and people just stroll around listen to music and, you know, taking the beautiful architecture.

00:52:11.550 --> 00:52:19.920 Jeff Goodman: They also they also drink on the street, which is legal in New Orleans. I don't suppose that it's allowed in ditmas but you never know if the cops old WILL TAKE IT people for that.

00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.710 Dina Rabiner: I might be, well, we also had fame.

00:52:22.740 --> 00:52:30.840 Dina Rabiner: Because of the because of coven a lot of musicians who were not able to play had a chance to perform. We had Kenny Barron.

00:52:31.140 --> 00:52:43.470 Dina Rabiner: Who is a in you know internationally known Roy Nathan sin and many other you know very well known musicians who had the chance to perform live and so was, you know, is wonderful.

00:52:44.430 --> 00:52:56.040 Jeff Goodman: I like to ask a question of of my neighborhood guest. Is there anything that you learned recently about ditmas park that surprised you when you found out about it with it when you experienced it.

00:52:57.630 --> 00:52:58.500 Dina Rabiner: Um,

00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.460 Dina Rabiner: I mean, I've been reading a full I mean recently.

00:53:07.080 --> 00:53:27.540 Dina Rabiner: Not reason i mean that some of the facts that Jeremy shared I thought were interesting like I didn't like even the 17th Street malls and like you know how that developed, I thought, you know, was interesting, you know the history of the houses and lived in these houses is always of interest.

00:53:29.220 --> 00:53:33.780 Dina Rabiner: But nothing specific. I mean, I know a fair amount about the neighborhood.

00:53:35.160 --> 00:53:46.890 Dina Rabiner: But learning about like my own home. You know, when I moved here. The first thing I did was go down to the Department of Buildings and thankfully found the original plans.

00:53:47.490 --> 00:53:57.930 Dina Rabiner: For the home and and you know was designed by an architect who lived here and it's a little bit different than some of our neighbors houses. So things like that I find really interesting

00:53:59.640 --> 00:54:11.250 Jeff Goodman: As someone who supports local businesses in your work with the Chamber of Commerce, but also with with the Merchants Association. Is there anything that you struggle with into this park.

00:54:12.510 --> 00:54:31.560 Dina Rabiner: Ah, it's well at this time. I mean, you were really focused on recovery and access to resources and because the neighborhood is so diverse. We have a lot of immigrant own businesses. So really getting them in touch with the resources that are available to them.

00:54:32.580 --> 00:54:43.530 Dina Rabiner: And they don't necessarily have any presence, you know, as more and more people go online for, you know, for everything you know we struggle with trying to get them that

00:54:44.790 --> 00:54:51.510 Dina Rabiner: You know, get them seen. So we're always trying to find interesting ways to

00:54:52.050 --> 00:55:02.610 Dina Rabiner: Promote them to the neighborhood. I mean this year for the holidays. It's our whole campaign is everyone's home for the holidays. So whether you want to, you know, find

00:55:02.850 --> 00:55:21.510 Dina Rabiner: local ingredients to make traditional family recipes or you want to, you know, glam yourself up like we really want to help all the businesses and not just kind of the businesses that that are well established or have strong social presence.

00:55:22.740 --> 00:55:35.880 Dina Rabiner: So the nail salons the you know the dry cleaners, the you know the businesses that in any neighborhood needs but tend to be forgotten, but on you know on unnecessary for daily life.

00:55:37.110 --> 00:55:43.680 Jeff Goodman: Is there any particular kind of business that you wish was in the neighborhood right now, but that wasn't

00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:54.450 Jeff Goodman: So I always like to ask that question to in case someone's listening and they're intrigued by a neighbor. Did they go, you know, maybe I could be the one who starts this kind of business or or looks into starting this kind of business in the neighborhood.

00:55:55.080 --> 00:56:05.250 Dina Rabiner: Right. I mean, there's always people are always saying they want bakery. People want more clothing stores or even a thrift store has been floated

00:56:06.540 --> 00:56:22.890 Dina Rabiner: Bookstores, there was a while ago people had asked for ice cream shop and ice cream shop actually did open last January, it's actually an ice cream shop and Vietnamese food. So, which is great called What's the scoop and

00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:28.320 Dina Rabiner: You know, there's the banks were kind of underserved in terms of banking.

00:56:29.610 --> 00:56:34.260 Dina Rabiner: But just more diversity of businesses that, you know, there tends to be

00:56:36.330 --> 00:56:53.130 Dina Rabiner: Moved to always open restaurants, but commercial corridors need diversity in their businesses. So, um, you know, some of these other types of more retail you know shoe stores, people want, you know, things like that. Oh.

00:56:54.270 --> 00:57:05.820 Jeff Goodman: All right, well, Gina rabbit or co president of the cartel your road Merchants Association, thanks so much for being my guest on this episode of Victorian Flatbush and ditmas Park and Prospect Park South

00:57:06.690 --> 00:57:13.230 Jeff Goodman: You can get ahold of Dina at my hotel that I get that right. Yes. Good. Excellent.

00:57:13.770 --> 00:57:21.450 Jeff Goodman: Well, everyone. Thanks for joining us on this program about Victorian Flatbush if you have comments or questions about the show. If you'd like to get her a mailing list, please email me.

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