On this week's show we will visit the neighborhood of Woodside, in Queens. My guests will be returning guest, historian, and author Jason Antos, who is also president of the Queens Historical Society; and Jonathan Cordeiro, owner and partner the Alcove Restaurant.
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Jeff introduces his first guest Jason Antos a journalist and author and a frequent guest on the show. Jacob has been interested in history since a book report he did on NYC history in grade school. Jeff asks him when and how he got involved with the Queens Historical Society, which was Jason’s first source he went to when writing his first book in 2005. Jeff asks where the names of Woodside and Sunnyside neighborhoods come from. The names originated from the surrounding areas of the neighborhoods. Jason begins discussing the native people of New York and their relationship with the British and Dutch settlers. The Native Americans had a contentious relationship with both the British and Dutch peoples. During the American Revolution, was a home of military encampments for the British as most of Queens citizens were loyalists.
Jeff asks Jason which one of his books was his favorite to write, but Jason reveals he loves all his books equally. His most recent book will be released on March 22nd. The most challenging book he wrote was his one on Shea Stadium, because of all the licensed photos he had to acquire from the MLB. Jeff begins talking about Woodside and Sunnyside’s post-world war history and asks about Woodside’s housing projects. Jeff asks Jason about Sunnyside’s development, which started as a fledgling visit but saw a lot of development during the 1910s. They then talk about the Sunnyside Gardens, which was the first garden community built in NYC.
Jeff introduces his next guest Jonathan Cordiero, owner, and partner, in the Alcove Restaurant. Jeff asks where in Brazil, Jonathan’s father opened his restaurants, which Jonathan spent most of his younger years watching his father cook. Jonathan moved to New York when he was young but never left behind Brazil’s culture and food. Jonathan got his first restaurant job at 16 and grew to love the business over time. The first restaurant he worked at, The Copper Kettle, as and still is renowned in the community. Jeff asks Jonathan what influenced him and his wife to open the Alcove in 2015. He picked Sunnyside because he saw it as truly a special neighborhood. The restaurant’s name came from a brainstorming session that Jonathan had and the coziness inside the restaurant.
Jeff asks Jonathan if there’s a difference between the vibes in Woodside and Sunnyside. Jonathan’s opinion is that they both feel the same with a common feeling of community and diversity. Jeff asks if Jonathan has noticed if the neighborhood has changed since he started his restaurant. He talks about the influx of younger families and couples moving in. Jeff asks Jonathan if there is anything he struggles with as a business owner, and Jonathan talks about the effect of COVID on his restaurant. Jeff asks his advice to small business owners looking to start in Sunnyside. Jonathan stresses the importance of making a connection to the community.
00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:49.350 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone. Welcome to our listeners in the Big Apple from across the US and around the world. I'm Jeff Goodman and you've tuned into rediscovering New York
00:00:50.100 --> 00:00:55.740 Jeff Goodman: Professionally, I'm a real estate broker with brown Harris Stevens, and as my listeners know I love New York
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00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:38.520 Jeff Goodman: Tonight we're going back to Queens is we're actually going to take a look at two neighborhoods, which have a lot in common and are right next to each other Woodside and sunny side.
00:02:39.450 --> 00:02:49.050 Jeff Goodman: My first guest is no stranger to the show. It's returning guest Jason and toes, Jason is a journalist and author of six will receive books on the borough of Queens.
00:02:49.620 --> 00:02:57.990 Jeff Goodman: He's a graduate of the University of Miami and a lifelong New Yorker, his family has lived in the five boroughs since 1913 more than 100 years
00:02:58.620 --> 00:03:03.300 Jeff Goodman: His first book on the history of white stone was published in 2006 when he was 25
00:03:03.930 --> 00:03:11.940 Jeff Goodman: In 2007 Jason wrote the first history book ever written on Shea Stadium. I still think of it as Shea Stadium. It's currently in its fourth printing
00:03:12.600 --> 00:03:21.000 Jeff Goodman: Jason's published other books flushing. Then and Now Jackson Heights images of America corona, the early years, and also queens then and now.
00:03:21.480 --> 00:03:27.600 Jeff Goodman: His latest book will be on the history of Douglaston and little neck Jason's most recent professional affiliation.
00:03:28.020 --> 00:03:38.670 Jeff Goodman: Was as the associate editor of the Queen's Chronicle. And if all this isn't enough. He's the president of the Queen's Historical Society Jason a hearty welcome back to rediscovering New York
00:03:40.110 --> 00:03:43.290 Jason Antos: I Jeff, thanks for having me back. It's a real pleasure to be here.
00:03:43.530 --> 00:03:51.630 Jeff Goodman: Oh, it's always a pleasure to have you and your expertise and you're passionate about about queens, you're not only from New York, but you are actually from Queens. Originally, aren't you
00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:58.080 Jason Antos: Yes, I was born in Flushing, and raised here in Flushing. And now I currently reside in white stone.
00:03:58.830 --> 00:04:04.140 Jeff Goodman: And we also had an episode. That's also podcast it on white stone. You can pick it up on on podcast.
00:04:05.220 --> 00:04:10.050 Jeff Goodman: When did you first become interested in in the history of this amazing city that we live in.
00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:14.550 Jason Antos: I became interested when I was in grade school, believe it or not.
00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:24.240 Jason Antos: We had to for English class, we had to write a book report on any subject that we wanted the teacher left it open to us and I decided to
00:04:24.930 --> 00:04:35.580 Jason Antos: Write about an old house that was located at the end of the block from here, from where I grew up. And that house was at the time and abandoned mansion and I had belonged to
00:04:36.660 --> 00:04:40.770 Jason Antos: The author Hammerstein the Broadway producer and
00:04:42.030 --> 00:04:50.850 Jason Antos: That was how I first got interested in it then. Then when I got into college and I was going to school for journalism. I, I really wanted to write about New York City.
00:04:51.600 --> 00:05:01.500 Jason Antos: And be a reporter in New York City. So that's why I started writing about local history and local politics of local events and kind of just, I kind of fused it together.
00:05:03.270 --> 00:05:08.130 Jeff Goodman: How did you get involved with the Queen's Historical Society and when did that happen.
00:05:08.370 --> 00:05:21.450 Jason Antos: Queens. Historical Society was the first place that I went to the new research when I landed the book deal and oh five for the white stone book. I went to Queens. Historical Society and like most people
00:05:22.710 --> 00:05:28.680 Jason Antos: I wasn't really even aware that we had a historical society. I knew about the bound house and about the Quaker Meeting House, but I really didn't know
00:05:29.190 --> 00:05:40.110 Jason Antos: Too much about the Queen's Historical Society, or if it actually had like a brick and mortar type of location, but it does. It's a beautiful farmhouse called the Kingsland homestead.
00:05:40.620 --> 00:05:43.380 Jeff Goodman: I want us to Kingsland homestead it's it's from the 18th century, isn't it.
00:05:43.410 --> 00:05:46.410 Jason Antos: Yes, King kings on homesteaders from the early 1800s.
00:05:47.790 --> 00:05:48.390 Jason Antos: It's a
00:05:49.710 --> 00:06:01.200 Jason Antos: Part of it is was built in some of it actually part of the property actually dates back to the time of the revolution was actually cut in half and transfer transfer to where it's located today, wife of 37th AVENUE.
00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:03.000 Jeff Goodman: Was to put back together again.
00:06:04.230 --> 00:06:19.020 Jeff Goodman: Together. Well that's thankful modern technology, um, before we talk about sunny side and Woodside I want to ask you about the names of the neighborhoods, you know, New York has interesting names. Sometimes it's names of people. Sometimes it's names of something happened.
00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.290 Jeff Goodman: How did we get the names of website and sunny side.
00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:34.110 Jason Antos: Well what side of the sunny side. Basically, when they were developed. They were real estate marketing names before that the area was known as Winfield
00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:41.160 Jason Antos: Legend has it that was named after a man named Winfield Scott, who was a soldier in the Revolutionary War.
00:06:42.930 --> 00:06:51.780 Jason Antos: And in those days was very common for towns and neighborhoods to be named after military figures or people from political history.
00:06:53.220 --> 00:06:58.920 Jason Antos: But what side sunny side was known as many different things before it was known as what it is today.
00:07:00.090 --> 00:07:19.260 Jason Antos: What side comes from basically cause was a heavily wooded area and sunny side supposedly comes from the fact that, you know, it's located along the queens boulevard, which is facing due east and you know they call Long Island yeah the the sunrise homeland, because the sun rises due east
00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:25.980 Jason Antos: You know over Montauk, and so you would catch the rising sun. So that's why it was called sunny side.
00:07:27.030 --> 00:07:32.250 Jeff Goodman: Well, I'd make the argument that every part of our great city is actually a sunny side and once in one sense or another you
00:07:32.250 --> 00:07:32.580 Jason Antos: See this
00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:44.340 Jeff Goodman: I'm like most parts of what became New York Jason in preset one times the area was inhabited by native peoples, what, what did they do in the area that would become would sign in Sunnyside
00:07:44.730 --> 00:07:51.720 Jason Antos: Well, the native peoples at that time. We're located all throughout Long Island and New York State and the city.
00:07:53.070 --> 00:07:59.700 Jason Antos: The relationship that they had with the British and the Dutch, which are the two original founding
00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:04.170 Jason Antos: Nationalities cultures that settled here from abroad.
00:08:05.520 --> 00:08:14.880 Jason Antos: Their relationship with the Native Americans dictated where the English and the ducks lived the Dutch did not get along with the Native Americans, the British, however.
00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:25.410 Jason Antos: Got along a lot better because of their history with Native Americans in New England. So when they crossed over the Long Island Sound. And they came to Long Island. The Dutch
00:08:26.220 --> 00:08:33.030 Jason Antos: were more than happy to allow the British to settle in eastern Long Island and Eastern queens because they were
00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:40.200 Jason Antos: They felt that the British would do better with the Native Americans and vice versa. So the but the Dutch could not
00:08:40.680 --> 00:08:50.850 Jason Antos: Could not really establish a solid relationship with them the ducks were not very tolerant of Native Americans, so they they kind of consolidated in western Brooklyn and lower Manhattan.
00:08:51.540 --> 00:08:56.370 Jeff Goodman: And actually there's a history of several skirmishes, and also attacks have
00:08:58.140 --> 00:09:11.970 Jeff Goodman: A military wings of the Dutch West India Company that actually attacked certain local people's I think maybe in Staten Island or and what became New Jersey. But in the 30s and 40s wasn't very wasn't a very good history.
00:09:14.310 --> 00:09:23.280 Jeff Goodman: With their Dutch settlers living in the area that would become sunny sign up would sign because sometimes they didn't populate all of what became the city but but were they in Sunday, Sunday, what time
00:09:23.460 --> 00:09:36.600 Jason Antos: Oh yes they were definitely in Woodside definitely in Long Island City and neighboring a story. So that's absolutely true. The Dutch primarily situate themselves by the water as most communities did
00:09:37.860 --> 00:09:50.850 Jason Antos: To have access for boats and for fishing and for travel. So Long Island City, a story. I was very heavily populated by ducks. And so if that bled into neighboring Woodside
00:09:51.870 --> 00:10:00.150 Jeff Goodman: I read that there were some names of some areas within what became Woodside and sunny side things like you will swamp rattlesnake words.
00:10:01.650 --> 00:10:06.060 Jeff Goodman: How would that have been taste anyone to want to live there is set up shop, you know, with the
00:10:06.810 --> 00:10:13.950 Jason Antos: Crowd probably know and you see a lot of that when you're doing history of Queens and Brooklyn or practically all five boroughs, or even Long Island.
00:10:14.460 --> 00:10:24.420 Jason Antos: You find when you look on really old maps, you find all of these little names that were not official names they were given by the people who live there. They were like little
00:10:24.990 --> 00:10:41.220 Jason Antos: nicknames for places. It's a very Eurocentric euro European centric thing to do, you know, flushing we've been having a place called monkey Hill, which nobody knows why it was called monkey hell and I was alone college point Boulevard by the flushing Creek here we had
00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:48.930 Jason Antos: The, the Ireland Mills because somebody had a melon. He was from Ireland, so they called an Ireland Mills, or the Irish smell.
00:10:49.290 --> 00:10:58.110 Jason Antos: But it was just a little like just a little local thing that everyone knew what it meant. But to someone observing a map. It was a complete mystery as to why it was called that.
00:10:59.190 --> 00:10:59.400 Jason Antos: Well,
00:10:59.430 --> 00:11:04.950 Jeff Goodman: Despite the names of wolf swapping rattlesnake woods. I would never want to go there, or certainly not to buy
00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:07.410 Jeff Goodman: A HOME AND rattlesnake with
00:11:08.700 --> 00:11:14.610 Jeff Goodman: The section of Queens was once known as being one of the prettiest places in the entire area before development.
00:11:16.620 --> 00:11:23.400 Jeff Goodman: New York City saw more action during the American Revolution than any other place. And I'm always fascinated by
00:11:23.760 --> 00:11:36.510 Jeff Goodman: Individual things that happened throughout, what would become the five boroughs and each of the borrows really has some extraordinary Revolutionary War history. Was there anything particular that occurred during the revolution in sunny side and Woodside
00:11:38.700 --> 00:11:46.410 Jason Antos: Particularly in science side one side, not, not to my knowledge, as I'm doing research. I'm going to try to flesh out more revolutionary activity.
00:11:47.070 --> 00:11:56.640 Jason Antos: That occurred in Woodside I know that there were several encampments in Woodside I know that there was a big encampment in Jamaica, Queens and in Flushing.
00:11:57.030 --> 00:11:57.810 Jeff Goodman: That's what the British
00:11:58.200 --> 00:11:58.800 Jason Antos: I'm sorry.
00:11:59.010 --> 00:12:00.180 Jeff Goodman: That's the British
00:12:00.270 --> 00:12:06.330 Jason Antos: Of the British correct, yes. Cause queens was pro Tory, which means that quiz County was pro
00:12:07.350 --> 00:12:12.030 Jason Antos: Colonization not pro independence. So the British called
00:12:13.260 --> 00:12:15.210 Jason Antos: Jamaica and flushing their home.
00:12:17.010 --> 00:12:21.570 Jeff Goodman: Well, there was, you know, after the revolution. There was development for farming, sorry.
00:12:21.900 --> 00:12:23.640 Jason Antos: Or the British soldiers, I should say, oh,
00:12:24.540 --> 00:12:27.390 Jeff Goodman: Wasn't there a fort somewhere near sunny sunny outside
00:12:28.350 --> 00:12:35.670 Jason Antos: There was, there was a small for located in deep in Woodside south as you head towards Calvary cemetery.
00:12:37.290 --> 00:12:45.810 Jeff Goodman: Well as after the revolution. There was actually development for farming swamps were drained and the land was because it was moist and there was good soil.
00:12:46.140 --> 00:12:55.140 Jeff Goodman: I read, I wasn't there. Obviously, that it was good to grow fruits and vegetables and there were markets relatively nearby and in New York City in Brooklyn.
00:12:56.970 --> 00:13:10.830 Jeff Goodman: Unlike some of the areas that were farmland and then got subdivided in that, you know, that's the story of a lot of American suburbs. Some of the land that had been used farming actually became country estates before the period of residential development.
00:13:12.180 --> 00:13:12.600 Yes.
00:13:14.250 --> 00:13:17.250 Jeff Goodman: Let's fast forward to after the Civil War.
00:13:18.210 --> 00:13:23.610 Jeff Goodman: Would sign and sunny side are known as two of the most historic suburban areas within the city and we
00:13:23.880 --> 00:13:34.470 Jeff Goodman: We generally think of most of Queens. When I was growing up is that queens was developed, like after the First World War, and after 1900 but what science development actually started before 1870 didn't it
00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:49.290 Jason Antos: It has started. Before that, as a small town and as you mentioned, as the the big estates that belong to the principal landowners. One of them was the the when your estate.
00:13:50.760 --> 00:14:06.990 Jason Antos: And then in the 1860s, 1870s. That was the the coming of Benjamin Hitchcock. One of the most successful real estate developers in New York City, who not only helped developed what side but also Corona, and also in park.
00:14:09.450 --> 00:14:15.030 Jeff Goodman: He was quite a successful developer, not just the developments, but actually helping to build towns and neighborhoods.
00:14:15.090 --> 00:14:15.480 Yes.
00:14:16.800 --> 00:14:23.190 Jeff Goodman: And also around this time, what would become the famous Northern Boulevard was first developed around around this time as well.
00:14:23.790 --> 00:14:31.260 Jason Antos: Yes, it was the Northern Boulevard is interesting. It was the brainchild of an engineer by the name of john C Jackson.
00:14:32.850 --> 00:14:43.320 Jason Antos: And as a result, Northern Boulevard was known as Jackson Avenue, which is how Jackson Heights got its name, people think it was named after President Jackson.
00:14:44.400 --> 00:14:52.590 Jason Antos: Andrew Jackson, but now it's actually named after this gentleman john Jackson, who lived off of off of Northern Boulevard and 34th Avenue.
00:14:53.460 --> 00:14:58.710 Jason Antos: Which is on the border of what side. And it's like, where a story of what site in Long Island City all kind of like
00:14:59.220 --> 00:15:08.160 Jason Antos: meetup and that triangular plot was his property and he helped finance the construction of Northern Boulevard as a thoroughfare.
00:15:08.520 --> 00:15:18.300 Jason Antos: For people from what side and sunny side to get into Long Island City and vice versa, primarily to get down to the East River to take the ferry across into Manhattan.
00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:28.290 Jason Antos: Then as they're still a part of Northern Boulevard today that's known as Jackson Avenue. When you get down by the courthouse in Long Island City Northern Boulevard turns into Jackson Avenue.
00:15:29.190 --> 00:15:31.050 Jeff Goodman: Ah, it's still maintains the name
00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:31.620 Jason Antos: Yes.
00:15:31.950 --> 00:15:43.800 Jeff Goodman: All right, well, we need to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Jason Antonio is the president of the Queen's Historical Society in this program about Woodside and sunny side in Queens will be back in a moment.
00:17:55.050 --> 00:18:05.790 Jeff Goodman: Welcome back to rediscovering New York and this show this episode on would sign in sunny side. My first guest is Jason and Jason is a historian journalist and author
00:18:06.120 --> 00:18:13.710 Jeff Goodman: And he's written five books or six books and he's on a six or seven. Sorry, I lost count. You do submitting Jason. I'm going to throw you a little bit of a trick question.
00:18:14.550 --> 00:18:22.110 Jeff Goodman: I didn't ask you this question on three of the shows that we did in case the answer to the question wasn't about that neighborhood, but you've written a book on
00:18:23.280 --> 00:18:28.350 Jeff Goodman: Flushing. And also you're writing when I'm little neck and double cinnamon and wrote one on white stone.
00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:38.310 Jeff Goodman: So this next question. If your answer wasn't one of those that wouldn't look so great. So I'm going to ask you, do you have a favorite book that you wrote in terms of doing the research that that inspired you, more than any of the others.
00:18:39.120 --> 00:18:55.770 Jason Antos: Now they're, they're all my favorites. I know that's a now. They really are. Because each one introduces new challenges and reveals information that that I never knew before and I feel blessed to really provide that information to the people who enjoy reading about this topic.
00:18:57.060 --> 00:18:59.850 Jeff Goodman: And your first book was on white stone, wasn't it
00:19:00.150 --> 00:19:01.320 Jason Antos: Was on why sound. Yes.
00:19:01.740 --> 00:19:09.510 Jeff Goodman: And then your, your book on Shea Stadium is his fourth printing and now you are writing a book on Douglaston and little neck. When is that going to be published.
00:19:09.690 --> 00:19:12.300 Jason Antos: That's going to be published March 22
00:19:13.800 --> 00:19:20.460 Jeff Goodman: Well, you know, the next time we get together, Jason and I first met a while ago when we were doing in studio. But now we've been doing zoom calls
00:19:20.850 --> 00:19:28.590 Jeff Goodman: I'm going to have to bring books and have you inscribed them usually I asked someone to inscribe one, but you're gonna have like five or six of them to inscribe
00:19:28.770 --> 00:19:32.220 Jeff Goodman: Absolutely. So you start getting creative and thinking different descriptions for each one of them.
00:19:33.660 --> 00:19:39.900 Jason Antos: Although Shea Stadium was was the most difficult one. I'll give you the answer for that one. The Shea Stadium was
00:19:41.820 --> 00:19:49.290 Jason Antos: Made it write it on the deadline. I literally submitted an hour before the final deadline. That's how how rough. It was to write that one.
00:19:49.560 --> 00:20:00.930 Jeff Goodman: Why was it the most difficult because of all the subjects of all the books you've written, which could go back you know 100 or more years some 200 years Shea Stadium. That's from 1961 isn't it or
00:20:01.530 --> 00:20:09.540 Jason Antos: It was difficult because a lot of the photos were licensed by LB and they were gracious enough to give me some images and then
00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:19.950 Jason Antos: Being ML, be they would call me and saying, no, you can use those. And I would say. But you gave me permission will. Yes. Now we're taking it back. I said, Okay, can you give me something else to use. Sure. Here it is.
00:20:20.580 --> 00:20:24.090 Jason Antos: Two days later, no we need that one back. You can use this or you can use that
00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:31.590 Jason Antos: And one person said to me, you could you could use the image, providing you don't publish more than one copy. And I said, well, that's kind of, you know,
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:37.410 Jason Antos: A strange request, you know, they said, Well, is it a limited run. I said, Yeah, but it's not more than it's definitely more than one copy
00:20:38.130 --> 00:20:55.890 Jason Antos: So the Shea Stadium book was like a running gun battle to have that thing with through and it's ironic because it wasn't even last fight LB, it wasn't an ML be product. It was an independent book, but they were very, very uncooperative, the city was cooperative though but not them.
00:20:56.940 --> 00:21:03.090 Jeff Goodman: Well, if anyone wants to order any of Jason's books or look them up and see if you want to order them. They're all available on Amazon, right.
00:21:04.170 --> 00:21:12.960 Jeff Goodman: Yes, Jason's last name is spelled a NT O S and his books are on flushing Jackson Heights white stone Corona queens then and now.
00:21:13.710 --> 00:21:24.120 Jeff Goodman: Shea Stadium and new one that will be out in a couple of months on Douglaston and little neck. Well moving back to the neighborhoods. We're focusing on today Woodside and sunny side.
00:21:25.170 --> 00:21:29.610 Jeff Goodman: Right after the First World War, there was a lot of infrastructure that that
00:21:30.360 --> 00:21:33.240 Jeff Goodman: aided and abetted the the expansion of the neighborhoods. The
00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:42.540 Jeff Goodman: Queensboro Bridge, the flushing line the construction of the flushing tunnel, which connected the flushing line which we now know is the, you know, to the seven train to Grand Central in Time Square.
00:21:43.050 --> 00:21:51.930 Jeff Goodman: Um, I want to talk a little bit about the Metropolitan life insurance housing project and Woodside people, a lot of people know about Stuyvesant town and Peter Cooper village.
00:21:52.440 --> 00:22:05.430 Jeff Goodman: Met life built those after the Second World War, they planned parkchester before the Second World War, but a lot of people don't know that met life actually got its start in affordable housing in Queens. In the early 20th
00:22:07.410 --> 00:22:11.940 Jason Antos: And don't forget about the big X, we got to give a shout out to the
00:22:13.380 --> 00:22:15.360 Jason Antos: You know about the big six and what site.
00:22:15.630 --> 00:22:16.440 Jeff Goodman: No, no.
00:22:16.650 --> 00:22:18.120 Jason Antos: You're gonna we gotta we get
00:22:18.210 --> 00:22:20.640 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest is nodding his head, but I don't. I don't.
00:22:20.670 --> 00:22:23.700 Jeff Goodman: I don't know that the big thing. So tell us about it but
00:22:24.060 --> 00:22:28.080 Jason Antos: Now that's that's very interesting about about Matt life. It was really
00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:38.730 Jason Antos: That began it really begins in western queens with that the that the category of housing. Then you also have
00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:47.070 Jason Antos: in Long Island City, a story. There was another development. I can't really think of the name right now. But then, and then also again in Long Island City of Queensbridge housing.
00:22:48.060 --> 00:23:00.150 Jason Antos: Which is the oldest one of the oldest projects in in New York City in the United States. I believe it's one of the largest but then you have all various types of housing private city.
00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:09.120 Jason Antos: You know, any, any sort of demographic. You can think of that starts in western queens all the way at the sunny side and also into Jackson Heights.
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:24.360 Jason Antos: So the area at the turn of the 20th century. In the early 20th century was kind of like an experiment because there was so much property and land up for grabs. So then everybody was investing. It was just basically huge cash cow and everyone was trying to feed into it.
00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:41.520 Jeff Goodman: Well, before we talk about a more recent vibe of Woodside let's go to its neighbors sunny side. Tell us about the development of sunny side when it happened, how it occurred and and the earliest developments and what their significance was
00:23:42.210 --> 00:23:57.720 Jason Antos: Well Sunnyside really begins was kind of a fledgling village for many years and it really doesn't kick off until the around World War One, it was really the coming of the IoT seven train
00:23:59.820 --> 00:24:09.840 Jason Antos: Through queens boulevard that allowed the neighborhood to be built before the seven train was built. The majority of sunny side was just very open dusty planes.
00:24:10.410 --> 00:24:17.700 Jason Antos: Once you got out of wood side. It was almost like the no man's land between what side and then the developing Jackson Heights.
00:24:18.210 --> 00:24:30.510 Jason Antos: So Sunnyside was very, very small. And as Woodside grew in popularity than the people there started the developer starting started looking at that wedge of land of that area between
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:47.460 Jason Antos: What side in Jackson Heights and really it doesn't kick off until 1917 when the IoT arrives on queens boulevard that you see this huge push of development and then from 1917 to 1929 it just skyrockets it goes into overdrive.
00:24:48.120 --> 00:24:51.090 Jeff Goodman: Now it does seem a little strange, because usually when you you
00:24:51.480 --> 00:25:02.520 Jeff Goodman: Look at neighborhoods that develop they usually develop concentric Lee like from with the busiest part of town is and Long Island City is a very is a very was its own town and it's very old.
00:25:03.300 --> 00:25:20.130 Jeff Goodman: How is it that you sort of had development there and then SKIRTED A whole area and going into the middle of Queens and left out a place that was closer to Long Island City and closer to to Manhattan and that didn't that didn't get developed until after communities west of it.
00:25:20.730 --> 00:25:28.560 Jason Antos: I think one of the reasons was is is twofold. One, you have a lot of land prospects that went sour.
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:43.050 Jason Antos: So you have people who bought property developers who bought things and then they couldn't you know they they basically went bust and they couldn't get the project off the ground. And then you have the terrain itself. You have an area that's extremely swampy
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:55.110 Jason Antos: Muddy there's kettle ponds everywhere and it's a very like foreboding landscape. And it's, it's, kind of, you know, it doesn't look like there's a possibility.
00:25:55.680 --> 00:26:01.260 Jason Antos: For any sort of building to be done. Jackson Heights also ran to that problem and it's early development.
00:26:02.130 --> 00:26:13.020 Jason Antos: Like where the BBQ that was on marshland where people used to go duck hunting. I mean, it's just, it's crazy when, when you look at the pictures from 115 years ago to now it's just, it doesn't make any sense. But
00:26:13.860 --> 00:26:21.570 Jason Antos: That those two things really could like stall development for a long time, and of course that like sporadic kind of progress.
00:26:22.830 --> 00:26:32.160 Jeff Goodman: Let's talk about Sunnyside gardens, when was that planned and when was it built because that's really quite a development and and and it's notable for a number of reasons and landmark
00:26:33.150 --> 00:26:39.240 Jason Antos: Society site gardens, as part of the garden apartment movement that came from England.
00:26:40.650 --> 00:26:52.860 Jason Antos: It came to sunny side. So he's like gardens is the first, it's kind of been battling Jackson Heights for the first garden apartments, but I believe sunny side is the true first garden community in New York City.
00:26:53.880 --> 00:27:02.430 Jason Antos: Which is today landmark that sits on the National Register of Historic Places. And that was just all part of the eclectic type of architecture.
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:13.200 Jason Antos: And community planning that was going on, like I mentioned before, when you when you have such a wide area of property. I mean, huge. I mean, tremendous amount of acreage
00:27:13.650 --> 00:27:21.390 Jason Antos: And you want to diversify the appearance of the property, you want to build all types of homes all types of buildings all types of dwellings.
00:27:21.990 --> 00:27:32.610 Jason Antos: These developers, they had great foresight to be very experimental and really kind of, you know, switch it up instead of making everything look the same and unified
00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:41.490 Jason Antos: They would do this and then they would try this and they would bring in all architects from around the world, or they would be inspired by architects that they studied
00:27:41.820 --> 00:27:50.670 Jason Antos: Growing up, and then they would try to replicate it because they had this this clean slate, in which to work with. So when so Sunnyside gardens.
00:27:51.090 --> 00:28:01.140 Jason Antos: Also, they were very heavily influenced by the Queensboro Corporation, which helped build Jackson Heights and then they took the same idea.
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:10.170 Jason Antos: Of the garden apartment, but made it on a tremendous scale because most of the buildings in Jackson Heights, the original buildings are modeled after the garden apartment movement.
00:28:12.900 --> 00:28:24.180 Jeff Goodman: We can't talk about sunny side without talking about Sunny Side yards and keeping in tune with everything being great in New York or most things being great in New York.
00:28:24.750 --> 00:28:32.130 Jeff Goodman: New York has the largest train yard in the country, which is the sunny side trainers. How did they wind up there. What was how did they end up in Sunnyside
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:38.430 Jason Antos: Well, again, the terrain allowed it to be placed there you know it put
00:28:39.510 --> 00:28:44.370 Jason Antos: It also did the link up to the Steinway tunnels, which led into Manhattan.
00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:54.810 Jason Antos: Legend has it that where the sunny side yards is located today. That was the original, original location of the, the original village of sunny side.
00:28:55.470 --> 00:29:07.140 Jason Antos: I'm going to try my best to to confirm this when I do research for the for this upcoming book that I'm doing with the Queen's Historical Society, which will be out many, many moons from now.
00:29:08.040 --> 00:29:10.200 Jeff Goodman: It will tell. I didn't know you were going to do a book on Sunday site.
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:11.910 Jeff Goodman: That yes gonna have to add it to the list.
00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:19.800 Jason Antos: We are in the pre approved stages of doing Sunnyside Woodside but now that I'm the president the board president, I figured that
00:29:20.550 --> 00:29:30.780 Jason Antos: The Queen's historical society should have its own book because it's been a while since we did we published the book. So we're going to do Sunnyside Woodside and all the photos are going to come from our archive.
00:29:31.590 --> 00:29:40.890 Jason Antos: But so, but when we do the research. We're going to confirm this ancient story that you know that's where the original settlement was
00:29:41.310 --> 00:29:52.200 Jason Antos: And then it was cleared away to build the sunny side yards and then, you know, it kind of got shuffled around the map and then as I mentioned in 19 1716 and when the IoT came, that's when it was kind of
00:29:52.770 --> 00:29:56.730 Jason Antos: reestablish but somebody said yard still is today one of the one of the largest rail yard.
00:29:57.750 --> 00:29:59.130 Jason Antos: In in the United States.
00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:01.320 Jeff Goodman: Well, we do everything in New York bigger and better than
00:30:01.320 --> 00:30:05.670 Jeff Goodman: Everybody else. So we have the biggest train stations, we might have left the biggest train yards.
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:14.160 Jeff Goodman: I do want to add that the Queen's Historical Society is especially rich in records, including photographs from both Woodside and sunny side, so it's
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:27.630 Jeff Goodman: Really appropriate to have you speaking about this today. And one of the plug for sunny side just six days ago in November 18 sunny side was written up in the New York Times is one of the most desirable neighborhoods in the city to live.
00:30:29.430 --> 00:30:35.250 Jeff Goodman: Jason. We're at a time. I want to thank you again for being a great guest on rediscovering New York
00:30:35.610 --> 00:30:45.720 Jeff Goodman: Once again, everyone. You can find out about Jason's books in order them on Amazon. He has published books on white stone flushing Jackson Heights Shea Stadium corona.
00:30:46.050 --> 00:30:54.960 Jeff Goodman: And in a couple of months, there'll be another book out about Douglaston a little neck and now sometime in the future and other book of that sunny side, Jason. Thanks for being on the show.
00:30:55.590 --> 00:30:57.000 Jason Antos: Thank you. Thank you for having me.
00:30:57.450 --> 00:31:07.050 Jeff Goodman: We'll be back after a short break and we will speak with someone who lives in one of the neighborhoods. We're covering today and who has a business in the other will be back in a moment.
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00:35:07.290 --> 00:35:14.730 Jeff Goodman: Our second GUEST IS JONATHAN Cordero Jonathan is the son of a Brazilian chef and an Italian American professor
00:35:15.660 --> 00:35:16.980 Jeff Goodman: Who is originally from a story.
00:35:17.430 --> 00:35:25.590 Jeff Goodman: He was introduced to the restaurant business at an early age, watching his dad operate to successful restaurants in Brazil, while spending the summer is there is a child.
00:35:26.520 --> 00:35:35.310 Jeff Goodman: After his father returned to the United States. He became an executive chef for a number of New York City restaurants and it was through his connections that Jonathan was able to get his start in the restaurant business.
00:35:35.640 --> 00:35:45.360 Jeff Goodman: He was a busboy at the highly coveted copper kettle bar and restaurant in Woodside he took that job when he was 16 you rose through the ranks to waiter and ultimately bartender.
00:35:46.230 --> 00:35:58.440 Jeff Goodman: Is 18 years with what he came to know is the copper kettle family fueled his passion for the trifecta of service hospitality and community. Sorry. That's the trifecta of service hospitality and community in the restaurant business.
00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:09.150 Jeff Goodman: Jonathan made his dream come true. When he opened the alcove restaurant in sunny side in December 2015 with his wife Maria Antonia Posada who is a native of Monday evening Columbia.
00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:24.060 Jeff Goodman: And other lifelong dream will come true with the beginning of 2021 with the long awaited opening of bellow a partnership with his father specializing in Brazilian cuisine. I'm getting hungry. Just the thought of it. Jonathan Cordero a hearty welcome to rediscovering New York
00:36:24.090 --> 00:36:25.800 Jonathan Cordeiro: Hey, Jeff, how are you. It's a pleasure.
00:36:26.130 --> 00:36:27.300 Jeff Goodman: Good. How you doing this evening I'm
00:36:27.420 --> 00:36:28.830 Jonathan Cordeiro: Doing great. How you doing good.
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.780 Jeff Goodman: Good. I'm fine. I'm always good on my show.
00:36:30.930 --> 00:36:32.790 Jeff Goodman: Most of the time when I have a
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:40.530 Jeff Goodman: An occasional mishap. But our great engineer Sam Leibowitz when that happens, takes care of restoring service you're from a story originally
00:36:40.680 --> 00:36:41.220 Yes.
00:36:42.240 --> 00:36:45.030 Jeff Goodman: We're in Brazil. Did your father operators restaurants.
00:36:45.420 --> 00:36:57.270 Jonathan Cordeiro: My father was born and raised in Belo Horizonte Brazil, hence the name of the new restaurant bellow. So that's where both of his restaurants where it's just north of Rio de Janeiro. The ladies lunch.
00:36:57.510 --> 00:37:02.580 Jeff Goodman: Oh, how old were you when you first started to see your dad work working as businesses.
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:08.700 Jonathan Cordeiro: I think I was probably around 10 years old, you know, my mom and my dad split I'm
00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:23.160 Jonathan Cordeiro: At an early age at around nine or 10 and my dad went back to Brazil and shortly after he opened the first of his to restaurants and you know every summer. I'd go out there and, you know, spend the summers out there. It was amazing great experience, you know,
00:37:24.210 --> 00:37:30.540 Jeff Goodman: You know, it's funny. I have had a similar experience. My father was in a different business. He had an electronics factory in boro Park.
00:37:31.470 --> 00:37:34.620 Jeff Goodman: And when I was growing up when I was nine years old and I finished.
00:37:34.620 --> 00:37:45.240 Jeff Goodman: Camp. I got a job factor. I didn't really do anything that was you know factory oriented but worked in office as the stuff and I got paid 25 cents an hour to do that. It was
00:37:46.830 --> 00:37:47.100 Jonathan Cordeiro: One.
00:37:47.520 --> 00:37:49.920 Jonathan Cordeiro: That was 25 cents more than I got paid.
00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:59.310 Jeff Goodman: And it was a big deal for me, you know, quarter, an hour, but also just, you know, to, to the, the wonder of all those different you know departments and things
00:37:59.370 --> 00:38:00.990 Jeff Goodman: Oh yeah, the man is a nine year old.
00:38:02.520 --> 00:38:07.320 Jeff Goodman: When your dad moved back to New York. Did you miss those summer trips to bellow. I forgot the name of the whole name of the
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.960 Jonathan Cordeiro: TV. Don't you absolutely you know
00:38:10.830 --> 00:38:22.770 Jonathan Cordeiro: going there. You know, my father has most of his family's still there. To this day, so anytime I'm not there. I miss it. It was, you know, a great experience to be able to spend time and make memories and
00:38:23.220 --> 00:38:33.690 Jonathan Cordeiro: Learn about my dad's culture, learn the language, an amazing experience and I recommend it to anyone to go to Brazil or, you know, it's just a beautiful place period, you know,
00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:47.700 Jeff Goodman: I haven't been but it's definitely on my list absolutely amazing at 16 Jonathan, you've got your first restaurant job. Was there any other motivations for you to work in a restaurant, aside from the job at that point was in Japan.
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.290 Jeff Goodman: When it was a passionate for you to do it.
00:38:49.410 --> 00:38:57.300 Jonathan Cordeiro: You know what, I'll be honest, at the time that I started, it was really more about just getting a job right and keeping myself busy, right.
00:38:57.630 --> 00:39:12.600 Jonathan Cordeiro: Arm you saw it was amazing that my dad through his connections, he was able to get me a start at a, at a restaurant at a, you know, at an early age, and it kept me going, it was, it was great and great experience, you know,
00:39:13.470 --> 00:39:16.950 Jeff Goodman: That's another thing we share when I was 16 I got a job as a busboy
00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:19.890 Jeff Goodman: Actually, the reason I took the job it was
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.580 Jeff Goodman: A five minute walk from where I lived. It was Joe's clam bar and Sheepshead Bay.
00:39:23.640 --> 00:39:27.300 Jeff Goodman: Wow, just when I was 15 I scooped ice cream on the corners are up and then
00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:28.200 Jonathan Cordeiro: Say you go
00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:29.370 Jeff Goodman: Get a job as a busboy
00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:37.380 Jeff Goodman: You talk about the copper kettle being coveted what was so desirable about about working in the copper kettle in Woodside
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:45.720 Jonathan Cordeiro: Well, you know, the copper kettle. It's still around. To this day, and it's been as a staple in Woodside community for
00:39:46.170 --> 00:39:57.330 Jonathan Cordeiro: Decades. Now, you know, and at the time I started working there. There's certainly hadn't been anyone of that age. I'm working in the space at all.
00:39:58.110 --> 00:40:10.740 Jonathan Cordeiro: So it was came with a tremendous responsibility and it was an honor to be there, you know, through my dad's connection, you know, I was able to get in there, but it did come with a great deal of responsibility.
00:40:12.210 --> 00:40:13.860 Jeff Goodman: When did you move to website. How old were you
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:19.410 Jonathan Cordeiro: I was. It was in 2010 so I was 28 years old.
00:40:19.560 --> 00:40:21.690 Jeff Goodman: Okay, so you had already been working at the coffee kettle when you
00:40:21.690 --> 00:40:22.110 Jonathan Cordeiro: Meet yet.
00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:35.970 Jeff Goodman: Um you opened up the business with your wife Medea, the alcove in 2015, was there anything particular going on in your lives that had you and Maria decide at that point to take the plunge and open your own on restaurant.
00:40:37.110 --> 00:40:47.730 Jonathan Cordeiro: I think it was just the perfect opportunity at the perfect time I had the itch for quite some time to, you know, do something
00:40:49.170 --> 00:40:57.360 Jonathan Cordeiro: And I knew that because anywhere. I went you I couldn't stop analyzing every single thing about every restaurant. I walked into and how
00:40:57.810 --> 00:41:17.580 Jonathan Cordeiro: They were able to, you know, you know, operate and every little detail. So once you get that bug. You know, it's just a matter of time and you know my wife had a degree in business administration and it was just a perfect marriage, you know, and opportunity. So it was timing, you know,
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:26.370 Jeff Goodman: Was there anything particular about sunny side as a neighborhood that had you pick that place for you and Maria to open your business. Well,
00:41:26.640 --> 00:41:35.310 Jonathan Cordeiro: I'm biased because it's where I had, you know, all of my roots professionally right for over 20 something years but
00:41:36.240 --> 00:41:54.090 Jonathan Cordeiro: It's, you know, it's a such a special neighborhood you know it. So for me, there was no other option. I was going to be in the sunny side or Woodside area because of my connection to it. And I wanted to be close to where I live and you know where that people knew me
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:59.310 Jeff Goodman: And I'm going to, we're going to talk a little bit about the neighborhoods in a couple of minutes, but I wanted to
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:12.570 Jeff Goodman: Find out a little bit more about about your business fast. Um, what was the inspiration for coming up with the name. You know I gotta tell you in my business. The word alcove isn't exactly the most enticing word description.
00:42:12.870 --> 00:42:14.340 Jeff Goodman: Of what I have what I said.
00:42:14.610 --> 00:42:15.990 Jonathan Cordeiro: Yeah, that's in real estate.
00:42:16.020 --> 00:42:21.120 Jeff Goodman: Right. Yeah, so, so, so how did you come up with. How did you and Maria come up with an email.
00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:21.690 Jeff Goodman: What was
00:42:22.200 --> 00:42:35.580 Jonathan Cordeiro: The, the alternatives. I couldn't even tell you they were so bad. Yeah, they were so bad and I just kept thinking, and ultimately, it sounds cliche was like a light bulb just went off in my head, one day.
00:42:36.150 --> 00:42:45.390 Jonathan Cordeiro: And you know, when I thought alcove, I think of a hidden little nook recessed cozy little nook right
00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:52.980 Jonathan Cordeiro: And essentially, that's exactly what the outcome is if you look at our space, it's the size of the living room and
00:42:53.460 --> 00:43:00.750 Jonathan Cordeiro: You know, it plays into who we are and the coziness essentially you feel like you're walking into our home when you come in right
00:43:01.110 --> 00:43:13.530 Jonathan Cordeiro: So once I thought of it. I knew right away. There was, there was no other. There was no other name that was going to be honest, I don't think the sidebar was going to be was going to work out for us to
00:43:15.510 --> 00:43:15.780 Jeff Goodman: Know,
00:43:17.040 --> 00:43:19.440 Jeff Goodman: alcove is more of a romantic sound to it then.
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:21.450 Jonathan Cordeiro: Yeah, thank you.
00:43:23.010 --> 00:43:25.770 Jeff Goodman: You're going to be opening up another business early next year Bello
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.260 Jeff Goodman: Yes, and that's going to be in partnership with your dad.
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:34.080 Jeff Goodman: Yes. How long have you and your father thought a better dreamed of opening up a business together.
00:43:34.830 --> 00:43:39.870 Jonathan Cordeiro: Um, honestly I think it started really after we opened the alcove because I felt like
00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:46.560 Jonathan Cordeiro: It was something more tangible right and it was something that I was in, and I knew now and and i was doing
00:43:47.040 --> 00:43:55.560 Jonathan Cordeiro: Um, maybe subconsciously as a kid, you know, when I was in the restaurant at the age of, you know, 13 and, you know, helping my dad, you know, run around.
00:43:55.950 --> 00:44:02.370 Jonathan Cordeiro: Maybe you know subconsciously have planted a seed in my mind, and I thought you know what it'd be great to one day you know
00:44:02.820 --> 00:44:16.650 Jonathan Cordeiro: Do it like him or do it with him. Right. And when the opportunity presented itself, it just made sense. My father is the most knowledgeable person I know. With regards to the restaurant business so
00:44:17.220 --> 00:44:24.300 Jonathan Cordeiro: Um, it's an honor. It's a, it's a dream come true. And it's a it's an honor. Really, I'm so excited. You know, and
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:34.620 Jeff Goodman: We'll talk, Jonathan, just a few weeks ago, I would have asked about the challenges you would expect to face opening up a restaurant business right now at this point in time.
00:44:35.160 --> 00:44:41.400 Jeff Goodman: But we've had promising numis just over the last week. So, opening a restaurant in the beginning of the year.
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:55.500 Jeff Goodman: Might very well might be very well timed, especially since there, unfortunately, have been a number of people in your business that have had to close their doors. Absolutely. Whereas, whereas the new business going to be also going to be in Sunnyside or what time
00:44:55.620 --> 00:45:00.300 Jonathan Cordeiro: Actually it's it's right around the block from the alcohol so upload is located on
00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:09.930 Jonathan Cordeiro: You know, it's not 49 right or snowman Avenue and Bell is going to be on 48 and Skillman Avenue. So literally around the corner.
00:45:10.530 --> 00:45:12.240 Jeff Goodman: So be easy to manage both of them, then
00:45:12.270 --> 00:45:18.750 Jeff Goodman: Absolutely. Well, we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Jonathan Cordero
00:45:19.050 --> 00:45:29.100 Jeff Goodman: The founder and partner in the alcove restaurant in sunny side. And he lives in Woodside which both neighborhoods. Coincidentally, are not coincidentally, or the topic of tonight's show will be back in a moment.
00:45:32.910 --> 00:45:34.140 You see,
00:45:36.690 --> 00:45:36.930 Jonathan Cordeiro: In
00:47:46.230 --> 00:47:53.730 Jeff Goodman: We're back and you're back to rediscovering New York and our program this evening about what side and sunny side, my second GUEST IS JONATHAN Cordero
00:47:54.150 --> 00:48:03.690 Jeff Goodman: Jonathan and his wife Maria on and operates the alcove restaurant and sunny side and soon we'll be opening up bellow and I don't know your dad's name. Sorry, so I can't say
00:48:05.130 --> 00:48:05.610 Jeff Goodman: That say
00:48:05.850 --> 00:48:06.930 Jonathan Cordeiro: His name is Gilson
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.580 Jeff Goodman: Gilson called debtors prison.
00:48:08.790 --> 00:48:09.720 Jonathan Cordeiro: You got it. Okay.
00:48:09.750 --> 00:48:10.890 Jeff Goodman: Great, great.
00:48:12.120 --> 00:48:25.350 Jeff Goodman: Well, Jonathan, the neighborhoods Woodside in Sunnyside are right next to each other. You live in one you own a business and another would you say this any difference in the vibe field between would sign in Sunnyside or were they basically the same.
00:48:25.410 --> 00:48:27.150 Jonathan Cordeiro: When I tell you honestly, you know,
00:48:27.180 --> 00:48:29.970 Jeff Goodman: Sure, sure. This is an honest program with be honest.
00:48:31.020 --> 00:48:31.920 Jonathan Cordeiro: I don't know why I do that.
00:48:32.040 --> 00:48:33.210 Jonathan Cordeiro: I'm always being honest.
00:48:34.890 --> 00:48:42.750 Jonathan Cordeiro: To me they feel the same. You know, they both carry and body, you know, a sense of community.
00:48:44.550 --> 00:48:47.940 Jonathan Cordeiro: Unity right and diversity and
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:57.210 Jonathan Cordeiro: What I find so special about both of them. Isn't that you know you're the trees line the streets you you get that residential feel, but
00:48:57.690 --> 00:49:02.190 Jonathan Cordeiro: You know, you're so close to everything that you need to be close to right so
00:49:03.030 --> 00:49:11.370 Jonathan Cordeiro: That's the, that's to me. They both feel the same. Now again, if you're getting closer towards the main thoroughfare. If you're getting on queens boulevard where it's more
00:49:11.670 --> 00:49:23.070 Jonathan Cordeiro: Commercial, then it might be a different field there but you know I live on 51st street which is considered one side and the alcove is on 49 Street and it's sunny side.
00:49:23.850 --> 00:49:31.800 Jonathan Cordeiro: And I used to live on 52nd Street and one of the funny thing is, when I moved there I automatically assumed that my
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:38.010 Jonathan Cordeiro: Zip Code was the same, because I was moving up right you know I went from 51st the 52nd
00:49:38.730 --> 00:49:47.130 Jonathan Cordeiro: How do you get mail for three to four months and in because apparently 52nd Street is considered sunny side. And so, you know,
00:49:47.850 --> 00:50:00.660 Jonathan Cordeiro: The, you know, I couldn't tell you to this day really where the the clear marker is or the border between the both right. But you know, I personally think that they're both the same. And just special is really special, you know,
00:50:01.740 --> 00:50:05.970 Jeff Goodman: Well, that's one of the reasons why we're doing them at the same time, you know, as you know, almost
00:50:06.270 --> 00:50:13.590 Jonathan Cordeiro: Yeah, they're married together. You can't. I really feel like you can't do one without the other. That's, you know, they're so close. And because you couldn't tell.
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:29.520 Jonathan Cordeiro: In many areas, at least where wherever I am on Skillman or you know 39,000 new you know 43rd Avenue, you know, how do you know sometimes, you know, maybe I think Jason. Jason will be able to tell us better exactly that mark.
00:50:31.110 --> 00:50:33.540 Jeff Goodman: Or we have to wait for Jason's book to come out. I hope not that long.
00:50:33.600 --> 00:50:34.350 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:36.210 Jonathan Cordeiro: I admire him.
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:42.630 Jeff Goodman: I'm young coach has been in business, five years, and you've lived in Woodside since 2008 I think you said
00:50:43.080 --> 00:50:50.850 Jeff Goodman: Thousand 10 2010. Okay. Um, have you seen the neighborhood change at all. Jonathan and the time that you've lived there and the time that you've owned your business there.
00:50:51.420 --> 00:51:06.030 Jonathan Cordeiro: I have I seen you know an influx of young families and couples moving into the neighborhood. Um, it's, it's, it's amazing to see, you know,
00:51:06.810 --> 00:51:14.220 Jonathan Cordeiro: I saw it when I was at the copper kettle. Right. I did see a lot of the younger families in the neighborhood and
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:28.650 Jonathan Cordeiro: But for some reason, in the last five years, it was an explosion, um, a lot of people decided to make their roots in Sunnyside in Woodside and I don't blame them. You know, it's just I think it's amazing.
00:51:29.610 --> 00:51:33.870 Jeff Goodman: It's probably also a testament to the people who live in the community. Now, people like you and Maria
00:51:35.250 --> 00:51:35.910 Jonathan Cordeiro: Thank you. Yeah.
00:51:36.120 --> 00:51:45.360 Jeff Goodman: Which leads me to my next question. Do you know if most of your customers and alcove live in Sunnyside in Woodside or do they come from other places to seek out your food.
00:51:45.600 --> 00:51:58.860 Jonathan Cordeiro: Good question. I've tried to think of that answer. And I'd say that I'd say 60% of our customers are local and 40% of them, you know, travel a bit to get us, you know,
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:11.970 Jonathan Cordeiro: It's, it's funny because our space is off the main avenue and it's it's a little hole in the wall. Right. So to hear it just blows me away when someone tells me that they come from.
00:52:13.080 --> 00:52:24.420 Jonathan Cordeiro: Westchester Jackson Heights story of Brooklyn based side, you know, in many times, Connecticut and Jersey. It's like I just I want to hug them.
00:52:25.560 --> 00:52:28.980 Jonathan Cordeiro: You know, now I can't do that anymore. Anyway, so I'm giving them the
00:52:29.370 --> 00:52:30.690 Jeff Goodman: The elbow elbow. Yeah.
00:52:30.750 --> 00:52:31.860 Jonathan Cordeiro: Exactly, exactly.
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:38.580 Jeff Goodman: Do you know if you get a lot of repeat customers who come to the businesses that is that a big part of your bill.
00:52:38.580 --> 00:52:40.860 Jonathan Cordeiro: Yeah. Well, that is, you know, the
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:50.940 Jonathan Cordeiro: The focus for us. Jeff is service. Right. And as I mentioned before, you're essentially feel like you're coming into our living room when you come there so
00:52:51.540 --> 00:53:04.350 Jonathan Cordeiro: It is about making sure that people leave with the best experience. They can leave with every day because they return, right. So I'm very grateful and blessed to say we are that
00:53:05.100 --> 00:53:21.780 Jonathan Cordeiro: All you know not 90% of our customers are returning customers and I'm of the belief that the 10% that that are coming in for the first time. That's just the first time know they will come back and they do, you know, for the most part. Yeah.
00:53:22.170 --> 00:53:23.460 Jeff Goodman: Well, I'm looking forward to
00:53:23.940 --> 00:53:24.900 Jonathan Cordeiro: Check out
00:53:25.080 --> 00:53:32.040 Jeff Goodman: Jonathan I were talking before airtime everyone and I was sharing with him that, you know, for the past eight months.
00:53:32.610 --> 00:53:41.340 Jeff Goodman: I haven't met my guests, and I'm not been going to their businesses, but I'm looking forward to doing that when when times are a little different, which hopefully you'll be, you know, within a couple of months.
00:53:42.570 --> 00:53:47.070 Jeff Goodman: As a business owner, is there anything that you struggle with in sunny side and also would sign
00:53:48.420 --> 00:53:49.020 Jonathan Cordeiro: Ah,
00:53:51.120 --> 00:53:53.610 Jonathan Cordeiro: I don't think so. No, there's nothing that we struggle with.
00:53:55.140 --> 00:54:04.650 Jonathan Cordeiro: At the moment, you know the challenges that we face in Woodside in Sunnyside every community is facing around the world. So, you know,
00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:13.020 Jonathan Cordeiro: I wouldn't, I wouldn't say no, it's a struggle, particularly for us. It's a struggle for everybody, you know, we're all in this together and there's
00:54:13.560 --> 00:54:25.260 Jonathan Cordeiro: There's really no you know blueprint for how to navigate through this. So, you know, I'm blessed to be in the website and sunny side area because it's being in that community that
00:54:25.710 --> 00:54:42.780 Jonathan Cordeiro: Has helped us thrive will survive this time and thrive and other times, but especially during this time it's being in this community. It is the sense of community and the community wanting Lester succeed. That has been a blessing. A blessing, you know,
00:54:44.130 --> 00:54:48.360 Jeff Goodman: Um, we have a couple of minutes left. And I always like to ask
00:54:49.320 --> 00:55:06.210 Jeff Goodman: A person who owns and operates a business and in April two particular questions in case someone is inspired by what they hear and is thinking about about starting something up. Is there anything that you wish were in the neighborhoods that isn't right now from the business perspective.
00:55:09.120 --> 00:55:13.920 Jonathan Cordeiro: No, no, no, no, no.
00:55:14.910 --> 00:55:24.000 Jeff Goodman: And is there any particular advice that as someone who's in business in the neighborhood and who and who's lived there for for twice as long as you is you've operated your business.
00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:29.700 Jeff Goodman: Would you have any particular advice. Jonathan for someone who's looking to open up a business in Sunnyside or would sign
00:55:30.210 --> 00:55:40.470 Jonathan Cordeiro: Absolutely. Um, you know, if you're going to open up a business in any community, but particularly in the sunny side Woodside community.
00:55:41.490 --> 00:55:42.330 Jonathan Cordeiro: You
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:49.500 Jonathan Cordeiro: You can't do it without making connections and caring about the community and the people that
00:55:50.040 --> 00:56:01.470 Jonathan Cordeiro: Walk by your space every day, even if they've never come into your place because this is their home. Right, so it may connections with the people that are in your community.
00:56:02.460 --> 00:56:19.320 Jonathan Cordeiro: Care about your community care about what goes on in your community. Because if you don't do that, you're doing a disservice to yourself. Anyway, because ultimately you you miss out on so many great opportunities to meet people and that's what makes this whole experience so special. Honestly,
00:56:19.710 --> 00:56:28.530 Jeff Goodman: So especially especially being in a retail business and also reaching people through one of the most sacred places which is their taste in their stomach.
00:56:28.530 --> 00:56:30.120 Jonathan Cordeiro: Sally, you got
00:56:31.200 --> 00:56:32.310 Jonathan Cordeiro: Right to the heart.
00:56:33.720 --> 00:56:35.490 Jeff Goodman: Well, I can't, I'm getting hungry, just thinking
00:56:36.090 --> 00:56:36.720 Jonathan Cordeiro: About it. Right.
00:56:36.780 --> 00:56:37.650 Jeff Goodman: Now I am I am
00:56:37.830 --> 00:56:43.110 Jonathan Cordeiro: Well, you have dinner on me. I promise. When that day comes, it'll be it'll be an honor. Jeff well
00:56:43.260 --> 00:56:44.760 Jeff Goodman: Thank you, Jonathan, I appreciate that.
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:45.240 Jonathan Cordeiro: Thank you.
00:56:45.330 --> 00:56:47.220 Jeff Goodman: I won't bring to bring up, but I want to pick apart.
00:56:49.080 --> 00:56:55.320 Jeff Goodman: Well, Jonathan Cordero thank you so much for being a guest on rediscovering New York, what's the address of the outcome of
00:56:56.670 --> 00:57:06.960 Jonathan Cordeiro: The alcove is 41 1149 street in Sunnyside queens and Bello soon to be open is 4806 Skillman Avenue and sunny side, New York.
00:57:07.350 --> 00:57:08.370 Jeff Goodman: And when is Bella opening
00:57:09.390 --> 00:57:20.310 Jonathan Cordeiro: That has been the question of the last year, so I'll be honest, I hope to have it open before the end of this year. But at the very latest at the beginning of 2021 so okay
00:57:20.340 --> 00:57:21.900 Jeff Goodman: But there's a Alcoa. Nevertheless,
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:23.520 Jonathan Cordeiro: Yes, yes.
00:57:23.580 --> 00:57:29.970 Jeff Goodman: Okay. Well, thank you. Well, everyone I've just finished this week's journey to sunny sign in Woodside in Queens.
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