Co-founder of NY-based RIP Medical Debt, Jerry Ashton, recently announced that he will be stepping down from his position as Director of Education & Engagement for the national charity known for pioneering medical debt abolishment across the U.S.
He's not out of they game, though. He will remain on RIPs board of directors, and he's already making moves on his next project - LetsRethinkThis.com.
Jerry is a fascinating individual with history in military, journalism & collections and a penchant for social justice!
Jeremiah introduces the guest of the show, Jerry Ashton. Jerry starts the conversation discussing his education and transition into the Navy (working as a journalist), living in New York, and the start of his entrepreneurial journey. He leads us through his life, and well into his sixties, Jerry brings us to an essential experience of his, Occupy Wall Street.
Jerry explains his relevance with Occupy Wall Street, Jeremiah sharing his own experience. Jerry shares why the message resonated with him and how he started work on dissipating medical debt in the heat of the movement. After it began to die out, Jerry then explains how through John Oliver he was able to start-up his debt abolishment nonprofit, RIP Medical Debt, Jerry giving out advice for budding entrepreneurs.
Jerry talks about his goal of abolishing one-billion dollars of medical debt and how they shattered it reaching 2.6 billion dollars. Jerry talks about the purpose of nonprofits and his hopes that RIP Medical Debt will live long after his tenure. He then talks about his next venture, LetsRethinkThis.com, as well as talking about a future web show that he will conduct over Zoom.
Jerry talks about his goals with LetsRethinkThis next year and gets into a conversation about meaning, purpose and service, delving into ideas of social entrepreneurship and how he ultimately plans to execute the role of LetsRethinkThis. Jerry ends the show by leaving contact information for listeners.
00:00:43.290 --> 00:00:45.000 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: What's up, zoom world.
00:00:45.630 --> 00:00:57.390 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Wishing you the best Friday, the best setup to an awesome weekend. Start your weekend, right, with a great Friday. Forget about Mondays Monday's is for the birds is all about the Friday before we get started today and I bring my guest on
00:00:57.690 --> 00:01:10.410 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: The message of the week. This one applies, big time lately because there is so much change happening constantly and this is something I've heard since I was a little kid, and always kind of stuck in the noggin, and has been fuel for my fire and
00:01:10.830 --> 00:01:14.850 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: If I've ever. I don't even. I don't even know this gentleman, yet we're actually
00:01:15.420 --> 00:01:24.120 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: He reached out to me and said, Hey, do you want to hop on a zoom call and talk and get to know each other. And I was like, how about I send you a zoom link, and we do it on live radio and he was like, That sounds
00:01:24.450 --> 00:01:34.020 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Interesting. So before we get before we all get to know my guest today this message, but just from the reading that I did up on this gentleman I get the impression
00:01:34.290 --> 00:01:57.780 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That this is a mantra. He probably sticks to quite well. Also, and it is Be the change you want to see in the world with that like to bring on Jerry Ashton, he is a co founder and he was recently, you know, stepped down a retired retired. If that's even in his blood from his position as
00:01:58.830 --> 00:02:09.630 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Director of Education for rip medical debt rip. Get rid of it medical debt. Um, he was a Director of Education and
00:02:09.990 --> 00:02:19.590 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Outreach and a number of other things there. He's not on the board of directors, but he's got some other stuff in the background. He's going to talk about today. So with that, I would like to welcome Jerry to the show, Jerry. How are you today.
00:02:19.860 --> 00:02:21.540 Jerry Ashton: Fine, I'm honored to be here.
00:02:21.990 --> 00:02:33.330 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Thank you. Thank you. So I first heard of this fascinating person sitting in this very chair. I had Lisa Gus on the show who somebody I connected with through LinkedIn.
00:02:34.200 --> 00:02:41.250 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Back in February one of the last live shows we did in studio Lisa was there and I didn't. I had not met her previously either
00:02:42.060 --> 00:02:48.150 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Um, we were having a little think tank at my restaurant where I'm sitting at right now. Della and Brooklyn.
00:02:49.140 --> 00:02:55.080 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: The night before she was to come on the show and I said hey you know you're going to be in New York. How about you come by the restaurant. We're having a little
00:02:55.830 --> 00:03:02.580 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It was a, what do you call it, I forgot what it was like a round table kind of thing, just with other like entrepreneurs and
00:03:02.910 --> 00:03:16.080 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And and thinkers that evening, SO SHE CAME ALONG WITH DINA Magnus and Dina was like this is really awesome, you should meet, Jerry. And I was like, Jerry. Sounds like a lot of fun. And she was, you know, she talked about
00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:23.100 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: There were a number of that that particular event centered around nonprofits. So there are a number of people representing nonprofits here that night.
00:03:23.970 --> 00:03:38.190 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And Dina just tagged along, you know, Lisa was like, Is it okay if a friend or a friend or two comes by and I was like, sure, though, man. And it ended up being the spark for this and literally sitting where I'm at right now they were they were on either side of me and I had a great dinner.
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00:03:38.700 --> 00:03:45.480 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Our association super fun. And that is where I was first introduced to the idea of Jerry Ashton.
00:03:46.500 --> 00:03:52.800 Jerry Ashton: Thank you. You're talking about two amazing women Lisa Gus with her organization or company which condition.
00:03:53.190 --> 00:03:53.580 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, but
00:03:53.970 --> 00:03:57.150 Jerry Ashton: She is the savant in blockchain.
00:03:58.770 --> 00:04:10.530 Jerry Ashton: Among many other towns that he has Dina Magnus is in charge of special projects for our IP medical debt. The 501 c three charity that you mentioned. And she also
00:04:11.790 --> 00:04:18.000 Jerry Ashton: consults with me on the side for projects that I'm working on, which I'm sure we'll get into some detail that
00:04:18.030 --> 00:04:24.450 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, we'll get to that. Let's, let's do a little background and let everybody kind of know where you're coming from. You're in New York native, is that correct
00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:26.070 Jerry Ashton: Nope, California.
00:04:26.190 --> 00:04:27.060 Jerry Ashton: California
00:04:27.150 --> 00:04:29.250 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: They were in New York young
00:04:29.280 --> 00:04:38.190 Jerry Ashton: Is that right, I've been in New York for 30 plus years. Okay, so I don't think that makes me a New Yorker as much as as much as an extended visitor.
00:04:40.290 --> 00:04:43.560 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Where did you go to school you went to school in the Northeast nearby.
00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:53.070 Jerry Ashton: No, I went to school, first of my pedigree consists of graduating high school in a little town in southern Oregon called Medford
00:04:54.000 --> 00:05:02.400 Jerry Ashton: And from there, since everybody was going to the you have or the UNC and they asked me where I was going. I say us and
00:05:03.180 --> 00:05:08.280 Jerry Ashton: Which was true, because it was the United States Navy and that was the college that in which I matriculated
00:05:08.820 --> 00:05:20.010 Jerry Ashton: I spent the next four years as a Navy journalist got out of there went to the University of Hawaii. My first year and finished off at San Jose State University. The State College back then.
00:05:20.520 --> 00:05:28.080 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It with the Medford thing that blew me off. I've interviewed a few people and have a few friends in Medford, New Jersey, and I just when I saw Medford, I was like,
00:05:30.270 --> 00:05:31.710 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: A JERSEY BOY. All right.
00:05:32.220 --> 00:05:33.330 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: My mistake.
00:05:33.780 --> 00:05:34.920 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Thank you for clarifying.
00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:35.760 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: My mom.
00:05:36.090 --> 00:05:37.350 Jerry Ashton: Always happy to be included.
00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:52.140 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Nice. Awesome. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm in New York adoptee as well. Um so journalism and the military that was, that was a an early thing for you. You did you study journalism and school that's what your degrees.
00:05:52.140 --> 00:05:52.500 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Are in
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00:05:54.120 --> 00:06:03.720 Jerry Ashton: Went on to college to study that. And then, since this shows all about entrepreneurs, there'll be pleased to know that I left journalism to make money.
00:06:05.790 --> 00:06:09.540 Jerry Ashton: That, not a whole lot of journalists retire in mansions.
00:06:10.770 --> 00:06:15.450 Jerry Ashton: So at the time that I made my decision to go into business.
00:06:16.500 --> 00:06:28.110 Jerry Ashton: It was, by default, because I had actually to support myself and in college. I had a number of jobs and one of them turned out to be selling books, door to door.
00:06:28.770 --> 00:06:36.120 Jerry Ashton: Called the Great Books of the Western world, published by the Encyclopedia Britannica. At that time, and I was making more money.
00:06:36.750 --> 00:06:49.710 Jerry Ashton: Part time that my professors were making full time. So I said, I need to rethink this and that's when I dove into the business world where I could use the magic of words to persuade and to motivate people
00:06:50.400 --> 00:06:58.650 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That's really fascinating. And it's that that's like a real hustle what you did. I mean, a lot of people talk about being like entrepreneurs and hustling to David door to door.
00:06:59.160 --> 00:06:59.730 Jerry Ashton: Door. No.
00:07:00.150 --> 00:07:03.210 Jerry Ashton: Joke, it doesn't exist anymore. I'm an
00:07:03.210 --> 00:07:13.080 Jerry Ashton: Early I'm an anachronism. The joy of door to door back in those days is that people weren't afraid to open their doors. Yeah, that's, that's one thing about the environment.
00:07:14.610 --> 00:07:20.160 Jerry Ashton: And the other thing about door to door was that I had a lot of fresh air.
00:07:21.690 --> 00:07:42.120 Jerry Ashton: I was exercised, I can. I mean, so I got healthy and I got wealthy. At the same time, I became a division manager in San Francisco and had a far flung empire did very well. And then along the way. I left door to door selling of books and went into the GA or selling of collection services.
00:07:43.440 --> 00:07:48.000 Jerry Ashton: Which of course is a precursor to rip medical debt, which we will be coming to
00:07:48.060 --> 00:07:52.470 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah yeah so elaborate on that you're you're experiencing collections.
00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:53.520 Well,
00:07:54.630 --> 00:07:57.180 Jerry Ashton: Most people don't, can't imagine
00:08:01.350 --> 00:08:12.840 Jerry Ashton: You know, from your experience or others is that there's such a thing as a good bill collector or that the nice guys are that they're contributing to society and in my case.
00:08:13.860 --> 00:08:21.330 Jerry Ashton: A bunch of guys that sold books, door to door decided to sell collections, door to door that was just, it became a daytime job I kind of like that.
00:08:22.230 --> 00:08:30.870 Jerry Ashton: And then I discussed discover what I was selling was access to a series of Dunning letters that were sent out by a collection agency that would
00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:39.810 Jerry Ashton: cause someone to pay my client monies that were old and I thought that was pretty good deal. I mean, I'm the guy with a white hat.
00:08:40.380 --> 00:08:48.990 Jerry Ashton: I'm helping the doctor I'm helping the local business person, and in fact, there's not a business person sitting out there who doesn't have a challenge with
00:08:49.650 --> 00:08:59.400 Jerry Ashton: Either a day late and $1 short on somebody's paying or text bounce right yes I'm in a pretty big world. They're called collections and i i have
00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:10.290 Jerry Ashton: high regard for the people that do their job to help their clients recover monies that are do them for services that are honest services products that are
00:09:10.800 --> 00:09:18.090 Jerry Ashton: That live up to what are sold, because I would never associate myself as a collector with any business that I wouldn't do business with
00:09:19.140 --> 00:09:21.510 Jerry Ashton: So that was my own little to North
00:09:22.830 --> 00:09:30.210 Jerry Ashton: And from that, I grew into consulting, or I went into business directly. And I said, here's how you don't use collection agencies.
00:09:31.260 --> 00:09:38.130 Jerry Ashton: And I would teach them how to do a better job of managing their relationships so that they get turn them into deposit slips. Yeah.
00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:44.100 Jerry Ashton: very poetic that's part of my my world so
00:09:44.430 --> 00:09:46.860 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That's the ringer for the show right there. You delivered already
00:09:48.330 --> 00:09:48.930 Jerry Ashton: Take you
00:09:50.820 --> 00:09:58.860 Jerry Ashton: Have great regard for entrepreneurs, because of course that man I started my own business and my own business evolved into
00:10:00.570 --> 00:10:10.500 Jerry Ashton: A very sophisticated combination of consulting with clients, providing my staff to sit on their desk like the money for them.
00:10:11.160 --> 00:10:25.410 Jerry Ashton: training them on how to communicate more effectively to the technology. So that was what I was offering and I had a good career in that. And then I kind of lost interest was
00:10:25.800 --> 00:10:28.140 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: What was the name of that that business.
00:10:28.230 --> 00:10:42.150 Jerry Ashton: CFO advisors Chief Financial Officer advisors. So I had a good run, but I was getting distracted by other things I started doing work in with the Native American community.
00:10:43.350 --> 00:10:44.910 Jerry Ashton: I noticed that there were a lot of
00:10:46.950 --> 00:10:51.780 Jerry Ashton: Call centers in India and I figured, well if you're going to use India's. Why don't we use
00:10:52.650 --> 00:10:53.310 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: A pound
00:10:55.410 --> 00:11:13.590 Jerry Ashton: Of you are Indians. And so I kind of broke my pic in that world of going out. I spent about I had two years in a row of about 50,000 air miles going to numerous reservations up to Alaska. A couple times in an attempt to
00:11:14.640 --> 00:11:28.230 Jerry Ashton: Bring economic development and call center work there for variety reasons, it didn't work. But what did work was gaining experience and getting a lot of friends in the Native American, Native American community.
00:11:29.730 --> 00:11:35.760 Jerry Ashton: In my thinking which has kept me safe and saying, for some few years now.
00:11:37.170 --> 00:11:38.970 Jerry Ashton: You either win or you learn
00:11:40.110 --> 00:11:46.890 Jerry Ashton: So there were some times when I did a lot of winning. And then there were times I did a lot of learning. Yes.
00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:51.120 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Another ringer. You're just knocking them out, man. Great work early on.
00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:52.830 Jerry Ashton: I want to copy right on this.
00:11:53.040 --> 00:11:58.890 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, I'll call you. I'll call you. There's nothing. There's no money in this yet, when we get there.
00:11:59.700 --> 00:12:01.170 Jerry Ashton: Speaking, you have no money.
00:12:03.300 --> 00:12:04.530 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Now I'm being exposed
00:12:07.470 --> 00:12:09.990 Jerry Ashton: There's anybody that knows you. I'll be happy to bring it in for you.
00:12:11.820 --> 00:12:15.810 Jerry Ashton: Know I wanted, I want you to know admire the work that you do, both as an entrepreneur.
00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:21.750 Jerry Ashton: Restaurant man and got some pretty good credentials there and they're hard to come by our thing.
00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:29.400 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Is you have to earn them yeah these are not given out. You have to know know a place trophies. Yes. These are all earned. Yep.
00:12:30.060 --> 00:12:46.380 Jerry Ashton: So here I was now I'm getting up in age and for the listener. I happen to be an octogenarian. So when I talk about age. I'm talking about it. So when that time I was in my 60s or so. And I sort of kicked back
00:12:47.700 --> 00:12:49.170 Jerry Ashton: And then, oddly enough,
00:12:50.340 --> 00:12:53.310 Jerry Ashton: I was galvanized by a very unique experience.
00:12:54.630 --> 00:12:56.370 Jerry Ashton: And that was Occupy Wall Street.
00:12:57.870 --> 00:13:10.410 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, interesting time we're gonna take a quick break. Jerry, I want you to pick back up with that when we come back we'll, we'll be just a minute or two. So you hang tight grab grab a cup of coffee or whatever, everybody else. Hang tight to. We'll be right back.
00:15:25.710 --> 00:15:38.580 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Welcome back everybody. If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the entrepreneurial web every Friday at noon here on talk radio dot NYC. I'm your host, Jeremiah, Fox. Today we are talking to Jerry Ashton, he was just
00:15:39.150 --> 00:15:51.630 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Detailing a lot of his history military journalism collections starting his own business selling books, door to door coming up the real hard way. The real real like in your face kind of way.
00:15:52.020 --> 00:16:10.680 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And then he was just starting to describe how he began to sunset. His, His collections company. His, His consultant company for elections and became fascinated with the Occupy Wall Street movement here in New York City. Please continue. Because I remember this very well.
00:16:12.090 --> 00:16:20.820 Jerry Ashton: Well, for the entrepreneurs out there who are ready to turn their dial. Because what is Occupy Wall Street got to do with business, you might want to stay tuned.
00:16:22.860 --> 00:16:28.440 Jerry Ashton: So I don't know first tell me what's your familiarity with is with Occupy, and I'll tell you mine.
00:16:28.770 --> 00:16:42.360 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Well, you know, I mean, of course, it happened right here. I live about, you know, seven stops from Lower Manhattan and you know a lot of my friends were heavily involved in it. I don't know if you know Reverend Billy Talon
00:16:44.010 --> 00:16:49.290 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: He's a neighbor. An old friend. And I mean, he was like he was out there every day and I'm
00:16:50.340 --> 00:16:56.250 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: So I studied music in college. That was my My background, my degrees were in music. I was a freelancer
00:16:56.610 --> 00:17:05.040 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: On for the better part of 10 years in around that time I was just coming off of like doing a lot of freelance work and a lot of traveling and just being
00:17:05.340 --> 00:17:09.990 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know, kind of like a full time musician and I had had a lot of experience in hospitality.
00:17:10.230 --> 00:17:18.960 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Already, but that was when we really started to like I partnered up with the people on partner now with and we started opening businesses kind of left and right. I was like, right around that same time and
00:17:19.770 --> 00:17:24.690 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: So, you know, billion I we're, we're, we're collaborating on a little bit of music together.
00:17:25.290 --> 00:17:34.770 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It was my project. I never completed it. So I still owe him a phone call on that but um yeah just a bunch of people that were involved with it, but I did end up
00:17:35.580 --> 00:17:46.440 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: finalizing a track that I've been working on for some time. And what happened around that time period really inspired me more. So I completed, it was called gangsters in politics.
00:17:47.490 --> 00:17:59.520 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And yeah, just really wacky kind of like Frank Zappa ish kind of track. And so what I did was a, you know, the intent was to use that as a single to kind of
00:18:00.600 --> 00:18:08.370 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Hook people into the bigger album, but at that point, like albums were starting to really kind of fade away. So what I decided to do instead
00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:23.580 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Was just release it as a free single through SoundCloud I printed up hundreds of business cards that just had the band logo on it and then the the link to the track on the back. I took my daughter who is at the time. My oldest she was probably
00:18:24.150 --> 00:18:31.980 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Just shy of three years old, and we went, we went down there and it was just like a full encampment. You know, it was like the height of it.
00:18:32.250 --> 00:18:38.940 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And just like literally passed out these cards like this is just music about what's happening here, you know, share it with people.
00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:45.450 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know, a couple of the organizers asked the my band to come and play down there that never really came to fruition, but
00:18:45.840 --> 00:18:50.700 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know, my, my daughter and I ended up in a in a big like drum circle.
00:18:51.030 --> 00:18:58.680 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And yeah, it was just like a wild time, you know, and another very good friend of mine who's been on the show a number of times. He's a tenant of
00:18:58.980 --> 00:19:10.350 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: law attorney. He's got a practice right there on maiden lane. He was down there all the time and just giving like from the streets, you know, kind of news reports through Facebook in particular that's like his bread and butter.
00:19:10.770 --> 00:19:19.620 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: So just a lot of close connections to it. But yeah, it was, it was an eye opening time and I definitely I think a predecessor to what we're seeing now, for sure.
00:19:20.430 --> 00:19:23.340 Jerry Ashton: Well I opening is is exactly that.
00:19:24.840 --> 00:19:28.980 Jerry Ashton: When, when I heard about Occupy Wall Street. I was on the west coast.
00:19:30.060 --> 00:19:47.400 Jerry Ashton: I saw something happening on TV and there were a bunch of strange people Makati Park, and I think I got to check this out. And so being a former journalist I took my camera my notepad to document this thing and
00:19:48.420 --> 00:19:49.380 Jerry Ashton: it resonated
00:19:50.970 --> 00:19:53.490 Jerry Ashton: it resonated the we got
00:19:54.510 --> 00:19:56.640 Jerry Ashton: They got bailed out. We got sold down
00:19:57.660 --> 00:20:16.530 Jerry Ashton: 1% 99% so what they were talking about where social and economic inequities that were true. They were real. I haven't really paid that much attention to them. So I'm in there and I'm getting involved and joining different work groups.
00:20:18.690 --> 00:20:23.910 Jerry Ashton: And then I was a prize of the fact that my services were needed
00:20:25.050 --> 00:20:28.500 Jerry Ashton: And they had discovered that there was a bill collector in their midst.
00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:40.800 Jerry Ashton: Now can you imagine a bunch of people occupy welcoming a bill collector. Well, you know, the bill collectors. That's the arm for Wall Street, you know. Yeah, yeah, money, give me money.
00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:50.190 Jerry Ashton: So, but, in my case, every time. And this is how they discovered me what when someone we talked about the fact that their student loan was do I give them some advice.
00:20:50.760 --> 00:20:59.070 Jerry Ashton: They said, I'm being chased out by a bill collector, but I give them some advice. And so the word got out that this strange person.
00:20:59.580 --> 00:21:11.460 Jerry Ashton: gave out advice. So they had one something they wanted advice on and that was to create a program to raise enough money to buy to out onto the open market to buy medical debt.
00:21:12.690 --> 00:21:20.970 Jerry Ashton: And then they wanted to abolish it and what I helped them. I did. And at that time.
00:21:22.020 --> 00:21:36.060 Jerry Ashton: I saw what they were doing. I thought I saw the good in it, they were going to raise $50,000 by a million dollars of the medical debt which frankly is just a rounding error, but it was something that was newsworthy and it brought attention to this problem.
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:58.200 Jerry Ashton: So I did and I want my colleague from my my CFO advisors days. Craig Antico with me ranked him down there to meet these folks and turned we turned him into the back office for this operation where we have reversed engineered his collection software.
00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:12.300 Jerry Ashton: Sending out collection letters, it would send out forgiveness letters and he was also very, very much welcome within the debt buying industry. They certainly wouldn't sell need that to a hippie.
00:22:14.340 --> 00:22:15.480 Jerry Ashton: protester. That's right.
00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:15.930 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah.
00:22:16.020 --> 00:22:27.240 Jerry Ashton: Yeah, so, so we served our purpose, we were we were in the back of all this, and then they did very well. But then of course occupy began to dissipate.
00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:38.850 Jerry Ashton: We lost our home in the park and they came up to us one day and said well we're going in another direction and
00:22:40.380 --> 00:22:48.960 Jerry Ashton: By that time we abolish over $30 million of the medical debt student loan debt payday loan debt. So Craig and I were kind of hooked
00:22:49.890 --> 00:23:05.430 Jerry Ashton: And I looked at Craig and I said, we can't let this happen and so on a whim and a desire to continue this good work and just January of 2014 we hit the ground running. Or I should say crawling and
00:23:05.910 --> 00:23:06.990 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: feels like you're running right
00:23:08.760 --> 00:23:09.840 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: In hindsight, you're like,
00:23:11.850 --> 00:23:23.940 Jerry Ashton: For all of you, entrepreneurs out there been asked by have families credit cards, you know, whatever we get worked up bringing people in then they give us a hand. And we really struggled
00:23:25.170 --> 00:23:35.880 Jerry Ashton: And struggling for to create a non not for profit and Craig's wife said to him one day she says, Why are we going into debt to get people out of debt.
00:23:36.840 --> 00:23:49.710 Jerry Ashton: There's something wrong with that picture. But we had this desire and we wanted to right wrongs and we get going. And then the miraculous thing happened, which I'm going to turn into business education for you and your audience.
00:23:51.180 --> 00:23:54.090 Jerry Ashton: What happened was we were discovered by john oliver
00:23:55.320 --> 00:24:11.670 Jerry Ashton: And you're i'm sure familiar with his show Last Week Tonight have to take certain subjects and send them up the flagpole and and make fun of them rightfully so he chose to do a program on dead buyers and debt collectors.
00:24:12.810 --> 00:24:32.250 Jerry Ashton: He was going to show them up or what they were. But the comedic value for him was that he was going to use their system to go in and buy medical by medical debt in Texas, he put himself on the internet as a collection agency and then he bought $15 million for the debt.
00:24:33.360 --> 00:24:34.800 Jerry Ashton: That he was going to forgive
00:24:36.570 --> 00:24:40.740 Jerry Ashton: And the reason he was going to do that is because he wanted out Oprah Oprah.
00:24:42.690 --> 00:24:45.570 Jerry Ashton: You know how Oprah gave away $7 million when the cars.
00:24:45.990 --> 00:24:46.590 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: No.
00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:51.000 Jerry Ashton: Way. I'll see you there. The big program seven mil you've got a car, you got a car, you know,
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.220 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I remember that she did it. I just didn't know how she did it.
00:24:53.340 --> 00:25:04.740 Jerry Ashton: 7 million and she just gave away. Yeah. Well, he said, I'm going to be that I'm going to get a million dollars for the demo. Yeah. Well, there's only one organization at that time in existence.
00:25:05.580 --> 00:25:13.140 Jerry Ashton: That had two former bill collectors running it a charity that only one purpose and that was to buy
00:25:14.820 --> 00:25:24.090 Jerry Ashton: medical debt and use donors dollars to forgive it. And long story short, he featured us as the conduit for his goodness
00:25:25.320 --> 00:25:40.770 Jerry Ashton: He said, I'm thanks to we're going to donate this debt to rip medical debt, who will forgive it and no tax consequences to the recipient and he goes over to a big red button hits the button money comes down from the ceiling and he says so much for you, all for
00:25:41.790 --> 00:25:42.120 Jerry Ashton: Less
00:25:43.260 --> 00:25:48.780 Jerry Ashton: Less politely but that's what he said. So that's and then of course our website crashes.
00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:51.930 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Because of overload.
00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:53.670 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Overload. Yeah.
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:59.910 Jerry Ashton: All of a sudden from two guys who we couldn't get anybody to listen to us.
00:26:00.030 --> 00:26:09.090 Jerry Ashton: Yeah, of course. In this national figures is and our logo appears above his shoulder, is he telling about us and people started searching us out.
00:26:09.780 --> 00:26:29.790 Jerry Ashton: And from that point on, we didn't have to look back money came over the transom amazing people showed up to the board members directors of the board. We had technology partners that can help a slice and dice the data even better. It was, it has been glorious and this is the first lesson.
00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:32.010 Jerry Ashton: For the entrepreneur.
00:26:33.120 --> 00:26:36.300 Jerry Ashton: If they don't know about you, they can't do anything about.
00:26:37.410 --> 00:26:41.790 Jerry Ashton: It. Same thing with your restaurant is the same thing with a talk show that we're on right now.
00:26:43.320 --> 00:26:49.470 Jerry Ashton: How do you get people aware. So the very first thing that any entrepreneur must do is keep get people aware
00:26:50.850 --> 00:26:55.560 Jerry Ashton: Now that's that's that's easy enough to do you get a john oliver or you hire
00:26:57.060 --> 00:26:57.270 Jerry Ashton: Or
00:26:57.360 --> 00:26:57.810 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know,
00:26:57.930 --> 00:26:58.770 Jerry Ashton: Simple as that.
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:04.440 Jerry Ashton: But if you do get that awareness. That's really not not going to make the game work.
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.750 Jerry Ashton: Somewhere in what you're selling it has to touch people. Yeah.
00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:24.330 Jerry Ashton: Somewhere, it has to touch people. I don't know why this in your case to be spots in your case, a resonance in the in the audience that you have about the need for entrepreneurs to learn their trade, but in our case.
00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:37.620 Jerry Ashton: When people heard that people were burdened by medical debt and that if they gave us $1 we can get rid of $10 for that debt and ever again time they gave $100 of that debt for $1
00:27:38.910 --> 00:27:46.020 Jerry Ashton: And if they gave us $10 that was $1,000 i mean that's going bang for your buck. But the thing about it.
00:27:47.100 --> 00:27:49.950 Jerry Ashton: Is that it took something off of somebody else's back
00:27:51.540 --> 00:28:04.650 Jerry Ashton: So it has to touch people and we were fortunate in the, in the very essence of what we do is that we are taking a burden from people's backs that we think shouldn't rightfully belong there.
00:28:05.550 --> 00:28:13.560 Jerry Ashton: And in a country that allows us citizens to have to declare bankruptcy because they got sick because they got hurt.
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:33.420 Jerry Ashton: So we were there, Craig and I as as a cure for medical debt in the sense that we would take that debt as we found it and at least get rid of it, get it off their backs and of course when people, people learn to have that, by the way, when we sent them a letter. We had a hail a yellow envelope.
00:28:34.800 --> 00:28:36.960 Jerry Ashton: That the notice arrived in
00:28:38.040 --> 00:28:46.500 Jerry Ashton: And in the yellow envelope would be a little note saying you know that $4,000 you know to XYZ hospital to go on.
00:28:48.150 --> 00:28:49.950 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Anything really amazing.
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:51.480 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: We're going to take them.
00:28:51.690 --> 00:29:00.420 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: We're gonna take another break. I want to pick back up with a couple things you mentioned just towards the end there. When we come back. All right, so everybody hang tight. We'll be back in just a few
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:06.240 Jerry Ashton: talk radio
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:07.800 And my scene.
00:31:29.790 --> 00:31:38.970 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Welcome back folks if you're just tuning in. This is the entrepreneurial web today we are talking to Jerry Ashton, he was just describing how and why
00:31:39.570 --> 00:31:48.240 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: The company. He co founded the nonprofit rip medical debt was formed. And you said some very powerful things
00:31:48.870 --> 00:32:02.940 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: All the longest shelf. But, like, two things you said you said in that last segment really stood out to me and and part of it had to be you know that this this thing that you're doing, as you know, if it's a nonprofit. If you're a business owner entrepreneur. It really has to
00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:11.550 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It has to resonate. And one thing I just wanted to mention, like, just as much as it has to resonate with people like has to resonate with yourself.
00:32:11.910 --> 00:32:21.600 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I mean, you take a time like right now where companies are suffering and some companies are down 70 80% and they're still going. That has to do
00:32:21.870 --> 00:32:32.940 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It has everything to do with how deeply entrenched. It is a part of your soul, where if it's just surface level you're gonna you're going to part ways with that pretty quickly. But if you're really dedicated to it.
00:32:34.020 --> 00:32:48.510 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You'll, you'll you'll give it your all you'll get you'll give 110% where you only feel like you have 95 you'll you'll make it up and you'll keep going. And the other part was you were talking about just this service that you're offering to be, but it really needs to be something that
00:32:49.800 --> 00:33:05.220 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That people feel like they need and any medical debt is huge. I've never personally had it, but I can just imagine the pressure people, especially over the last 10 years with just the the huge transitions in and the way
00:33:06.780 --> 00:33:16.650 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know, medical insurance and coverages is offered or not offered here in the States. What that's got a feel like when when there's just
00:33:17.040 --> 00:33:21.330 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Constant hounding. I mean, I know how it is just from a business perspective. I can't even imagine.
00:33:21.600 --> 00:33:29.310 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: When, when you have your health tied up in that. So you had a pretty captive audience. And that's a huge part you were kind of talking about how
00:33:29.550 --> 00:33:45.390 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know how you make it how you, how you, you know, rub the sticks together and get the spark. I mean you you have to, you have to have that interest people need to be in need of those services in sounds like you all provided a pretty detrimental service to a lot of people
00:33:46.650 --> 00:33:53.160 Jerry Ashton: Well, it's to give you some statistics when when we first started out, we had a goal.
00:33:55.080 --> 00:34:01.050 Jerry Ashton: And that goal was to abolish $1 billion worth of medical debt.
00:34:04.620 --> 00:34:09.660 Jerry Ashton: Which of course is improbable to reach, which is why we chose to make that our goal.
00:34:10.830 --> 00:34:11.370 Jerry Ashton: You
00:34:12.210 --> 00:34:13.380 Jerry Ashton: Go big or go home.
00:34:13.560 --> 00:34:14.850 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Exactly so.
00:34:14.910 --> 00:34:18.870 Jerry Ashton: It had to be big enough to galvanize us and get us excited as well.
00:34:20.790 --> 00:34:21.180 Jerry Ashton: And
00:34:22.620 --> 00:34:23.670 Jerry Ashton: Let me see, where was I
00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:27.120 Jerry Ashton: Going into my earphone sorry about that.
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:31.380 Jerry Ashton: Now, so where was I on the impact you're
00:34:31.410 --> 00:34:41.490 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Making the making just a bigger goal, you know, then then you thought you could reach inspire yourselves, but but we wanted to go wanted to go really big. Yeah.
00:34:41.910 --> 00:34:50.730 Jerry Ashton: Exactly that for the entrepreneur, whatever it is, think a little bit bigger, maybe even bigger than that. That's number one. So that was our intention.
00:34:53.070 --> 00:35:01.380 Jerry Ashton: The last two things I'll tell you about was how we achieved it. So, so far, rip medical debt.org as
00:35:02.520 --> 00:35:03.360 Jerry Ashton: Abolished
00:35:05.220 --> 00:35:18.840 Jerry Ashton: $2.8 billion worth of people's medical debts covering over anywhere from one to one point some odd million Americans here in the United States. That's called impact.
00:35:20.190 --> 00:35:31.620 Jerry Ashton: That's called impact. So of course we were grace to be in the right place at the right time and and the definition of luck is when preparation meets with opportunity.
00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:33.240 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Love that one know
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:35.580 Jerry Ashton: The opportunity was there the need was there.
00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:43.140 Jerry Ashton: Through all the years of learning the intricacies of debt collection. The preparation was there.
00:35:44.220 --> 00:35:46.890 Jerry Ashton: And then there are two other things that happened.
00:35:47.970 --> 00:35:54.690 Jerry Ashton: And then is, once people were aware of us once people were touched by it. The next thing that's required is education.
00:35:56.310 --> 00:35:57.390 Jerry Ashton: Who are these guys.
00:35:58.620 --> 00:36:01.290 Jerry Ashton: What are the Better Business Bureau say Is this some kind of a scam.
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.300 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That was the first part, of course.
00:36:03.390 --> 00:36:13.320 Jerry Ashton: Having it's too good to be true. You mean, if I gave you $1 you're gonna botch hundred dollars. You know, it's too good to be true. Well, no, it's too good. And it's true.
00:36:14.220 --> 00:36:21.450 Jerry Ashton: It was all of that. So you have to educate. In our case, that's why we have education as part of our IPS mission.
00:36:22.050 --> 00:36:37.860 Jerry Ashton: Is educate people. How do you, how do you get into that, how to get out of debt. How can we, how can we, at this moment, cleaning up after the parade. How can we take care of the debt that's accumulated right now. America has over $1 trillion with a medical debt outstanding.
00:36:38.910 --> 00:36:51.960 Jerry Ashton: Right now 65% of all bankruptcies are medical debt related right now 15 million Americans will exhaust their life savings to pay medical bills. Is there something wrong with this picture.
00:36:53.400 --> 00:37:00.210 Jerry Ashton: And then, of course, once you're educated. The only thing that's left this action. Sometimes the action is that people send us a donation.
00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:11.250 Jerry Ashton: Sometimes the action is they create a campaign for their community. This mistake here of all the depth and Albuquerque is taking care of all the debt for veterans. Let's take care of that for
00:37:12.120 --> 00:37:22.140 Jerry Ashton: The elderly who knows we're able, with our analytics to slice and dice, preferably just let us take care of that across the country, but you can be localized as well.
00:37:23.580 --> 00:37:24.570 Jerry Ashton: That's action.
00:37:25.830 --> 00:37:26.460 Jerry Ashton: So,
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:28.680 Jerry Ashton: If I were to
00:37:30.690 --> 00:37:34.710 Jerry Ashton: And here I am, by the way, as a co founder and now retired.
00:37:36.540 --> 00:37:39.510 Jerry Ashton: I have no equity because yeah
00:37:41.250 --> 00:37:48.840 Jerry Ashton: These nonprofits are really owned by the public and people like me show up to create them, run them and then go away.
00:37:50.310 --> 00:37:57.570 Jerry Ashton: And hopefully that that the that the charity will continue because it's a worthwhile charity and it is needed. Yes.
00:37:58.710 --> 00:38:06.510 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I'm not sure how familiar you are with all the things that are going on, but I have a similar relationship with the Windsor terrorists food co op
00:38:07.110 --> 00:38:12.750 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Here in our little corner of Brooklyn where myself and a number of other community members.
00:38:13.350 --> 00:38:24.960 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Worked really hard, going back to, you know, it probably started in 2012 I came on board in 2014 and there was, you know, we were just meeting in a Knights of Columbus at the time.
00:38:25.350 --> 00:38:37.500 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And in 2015 the beginning of 2015 we signed a lease and opened in March, a community own grocery store where we are in control of the type of food.
00:38:38.430 --> 00:38:46.890 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That comes and goes, the pricing everything, you know, and the same thing. I'm, uh, I'm currently the chairman of the board. I've been on the board for the last six years.
00:38:48.390 --> 00:38:51.300 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And absolutely no equity. I'm going to buy my groceries there.
00:38:51.630 --> 00:38:57.450 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: But yeah, it's just one of those things that I just want to set up and I want the community to have it I want other communities to see it.
00:38:57.720 --> 00:39:05.850 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And do the same. And I would be willing to advise, but absolutely no monetary connection to it at all. And that, that feels really good.
00:39:06.510 --> 00:39:20.040 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It was something I always wanted to do. I always wanted to help start a nonprofit because I opened my own is this this before, but I was like I was fascinated by that. Like, it's hard. This is what we learn is not easy.
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:29.760 Jerry Ashton: Yeah, I mean what product or you're selling in the nonprofit what you're selling is feeling good.
00:39:30.630 --> 00:39:31.590 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You say, yeah.
00:39:31.650 --> 00:39:33.420 Jerry Ashton: You're making a difference. That's what you're
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:34.140 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Selling yeah
00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:44.880 Jerry Ashton: And and we were able to deliver on that and obviously any food car co op any organization that like feeding Tampa Bay, which is a favorite of mine.
00:39:44.910 --> 00:39:52.800 Jerry Ashton: Yeah. And you may have seen on the news in Dallas, Texas. They had miles of cars waiting in line to go through food banks.
00:39:53.070 --> 00:40:01.470 Jerry Ashton: Mm hmm. That's another aspect of that we must address so right. This, of course, now that I'm retired.
00:40:02.520 --> 00:40:05.010 Jerry Ashton: Which I not quite sure what that word means.
00:40:06.570 --> 00:40:09.510 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Just like that from your brain. You don't. You don't even know that way.
00:40:09.930 --> 00:40:15.690 Jerry Ashton: I'm not sure what it meant it means something to some people, but what it meant to me is that I had some time to think.
00:40:16.710 --> 00:40:19.410 Jerry Ashton: As a matter of fact, when I had time to do was to rethink
00:40:20.730 --> 00:40:41.880 Jerry Ashton: So what I did. Thanks to bouncing these ideas off of others. And by the way, your, your audience that loves to co create, you're certainly invited to chip in on the thought process of mine, I decided to get a website URL called let's rethink this
00:40:43.170 --> 00:40:43.980 Jerry Ashton: Calm.
00:40:46.050 --> 00:40:49.890 Jerry Ashton: The premise behind this is that everything needs to be rethought
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.290 Jerry Ashton: Race Relations voting politics.
00:40:56.700 --> 00:40:57.600 Jerry Ashton: Shelter.
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.430 Jerry Ashton: Anything that you can imagine that touches your life that is harming it
00:41:03.810 --> 00:41:11.190 Jerry Ashton: Or it's not giving you the optimal value that you need out of it as an individual, as a society, we need to rethink this
00:41:12.540 --> 00:41:14.370 Jerry Ashton: So I said, well,
00:41:15.810 --> 00:41:29.520 Jerry Ashton: What kind of people are going to be tried to buy that I'm going through my own process with our IP medical debt awareness got to keep people were but and thank you. By the way, I must you know you're the first media that I've talked to him.
00:41:29.850 --> 00:41:32.430 Jerry Ashton: This story. Oh, yes.
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:36.510 Jerry Ashton: Awesome. It's appropriate because it's very entrepreneurial
00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:48.480 Jerry Ashton: I'm rethinking this and I'm coming back into the world of business, so that means whatever I create must be by its nature oriented towards creating profit.
00:41:49.050 --> 00:42:01.830 Jerry Ashton: To meet expenses and people for energy and effort. So I said, well educated Susie awareness. I know what I'll do. I'm going to do a series of web zoom casts
00:42:03.030 --> 00:42:20.190 Jerry Ashton: And I'm going to find people who, like me, have made you terms and their life made one as, for example, in my case, I, I walked in, Occupy Wall Street as a debt collector. I walked out of Occupy Wall Street as a debt forgiveness.
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:26.970 Jerry Ashton: Now how in the world did that happen, and look what came of it because that did happen.
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:40.350 Jerry Ashton: Because, for whatever reason, the elements made it possible for me to rethink my role and the purpose of myself in this world, as well as the purpose of debt itself. There's good then. And there's bad debt.
00:42:41.430 --> 00:42:45.630 Jerry Ashton: So that's interesting. So what I'll do is I'll find people
00:42:46.770 --> 00:42:47.340 Jerry Ashton: Who've done that.
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:54.990 Jerry Ashton: And I want you to know I've already got a list of luminaries and I mean from people who you'll never have heard about
00:42:55.650 --> 00:43:00.990 Jerry Ashton: Me will two people that might even be household names, but they're going to share one thing with you.
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:11.040 Jerry Ashton: Not the story of their life, not how successful they're being but this is the moment in which I made a decision to do something differently.
00:43:12.390 --> 00:43:20.130 Jerry Ashton: So I'm playing with that and then a lot of people show up. There's something magnetic about some ideas.
00:43:21.570 --> 00:43:35.310 Jerry Ashton: Some people started showing up. What about this. What about that. What about what about being a global center for such things. So I've got a brain trust the people around me right now, including Lisa
00:43:35.610 --> 00:43:39.450 Jerry Ashton: Yeah. Know who are helping me
00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:47.040 Jerry Ashton: Imagine into the, into his creation this thing called let's rethink this the
00:43:48.180 --> 00:43:56.730 Jerry Ashton: launch date will be January 120 11 2021 excuse. We have 10 years right January 121
00:43:57.750 --> 00:44:05.610 Jerry Ashton: And I'm saying, well, between now and January 121 I've got to do this and that. That's what people put businesses together have to do right
00:44:05.910 --> 00:44:09.180 Jerry Ashton: Yep business plans this that all this nonsense stuff.
00:44:10.830 --> 00:44:12.780 Jerry Ashton: And I'm saying okay
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:22.620 Jerry Ashton: And I'm finding out that it resonates it touches people to think that someone will give them a venue.
00:44:23.910 --> 00:44:32.550 Jerry Ashton: Either that they can learn from people who have rethought and benefit of society, or they themselves have an idea that can be nurtured.
00:44:33.570 --> 00:44:37.140 Jerry Ashton: And accelerated by way of this type of a community.
00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:48.120 Jerry Ashton: Now that's interesting. So right now, maximizing awareness through media connections groups.
00:44:49.230 --> 00:44:55.560 Jerry Ashton: Articles that will be writing stuff like that. That's going to be part of the invention process. So what do you think of them apples.
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:08.070 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That's great. That's really great. I want to pick back up with that, we're going to take one more quick break and then just really elaborate on like what you got planned for next year and going forward. So hang tight. Everybody will check back in and just a moment.
00:45:10.110 --> 00:45:10.860 Listening to
00:47:30.150 --> 00:47:40.200 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Hey everybody, we're gonna pick right up where we left off. Jerry shared one another one of my favorite quotes questions. I like them apples. I love that one. That's a
00:47:40.710 --> 00:47:55.620 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I say that all the time. I call it that often, and some other really great things that he was talking about his, his upcoming website. Let's rethink this calm. I absolutely love the idea of, you know, you were talking about awareness.
00:47:56.640 --> 00:48:05.280 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: podcasting and and and radio and these these kind of teleconference calls that are either live or just or or streamed and put up
00:48:05.670 --> 00:48:11.310 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Is just such a great way to bring awareness and there's the whole reason for me. Starting this show.
00:48:12.150 --> 00:48:20.490 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Just to bring awareness, not only to the things that I'm doing. And I'm passionate about. But the people you know, again, it's it's brought a lot of fascinating people like yourself.
00:48:21.120 --> 00:48:25.740 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Onto my radar and and the radars of others. And it's just a just a wonderful way.
00:48:26.190 --> 00:48:33.840 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: To create that awareness and you can do it, you know, you're, you're in the control. So there's no there's no media company telling you what or how to do it.
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:38.970 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: So you can be as sincere as you want. And I like to be very sincere and I get that same
00:48:39.870 --> 00:48:53.760 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And get that same vibe from you, Jerry. So continue on your you're planning on launching in January and then you got you got to think, take a people behind this. What, what's, uh, what's the, what's the plan. What's the goal. Well,
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.190 Jerry Ashton: As as its evolving.
00:48:57.420 --> 00:48:59.010 Jerry Ashton: It comes out of again.
00:49:00.690 --> 00:49:01.140 Jerry Ashton: Eight.
00:49:03.090 --> 00:49:15.930 Jerry Ashton: decades of experience and some of this experience being hard one, is you're familiar. I don't believe in losing. So I've never lost. I've learned
00:49:16.560 --> 00:49:28.830 Jerry Ashton: So, so my my way of doing things. I will either win or I will learn and the learning essentially helps me when later on down the road, although I might not be enjoying the experience of the moment.
00:49:32.130 --> 00:49:34.110 Jerry Ashton: So I being a simple person.
00:49:35.250 --> 00:49:45.180 Jerry Ashton: I kind of looked at and life being in force, like there's a physical. There's the emotional. There's a mental the spiritual right
00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:58.260 Jerry Ashton: Just like there are four legs on a chair. There's a solidity to have it to them. And I'm saying, Well, I did that for thing with the idea of awareness.
00:49:59.550 --> 00:50:13.620 Jerry Ashton: Compassion touching people education and action. How would I apply something like that to this world of rethinking rethought. So I said, Well, to me, physical
00:50:15.030 --> 00:50:27.570 Jerry Ashton: And then many aspects of course to any one of these words but physical to me in our world is financial it's the money is. It's what makes the gears work well.
00:50:28.890 --> 00:50:37.800 Jerry Ashton: So if you can count it, you know, you can bank on it. I mean, it's a very physical thing. You either got it or you don't, or you have another, whatever it is.
00:50:38.250 --> 00:50:48.720 Jerry Ashton: It's a very physical thing. And I said, well, then that means that will be one of the quadrants that we need to rethink finance banking commerce.
00:50:49.620 --> 00:51:00.990 Jerry Ashton: And I'm sure that there are people and I want you to know. Yes, there are people out there who are looking at finance bank debts and saying,
00:51:01.650 --> 00:51:09.150 Jerry Ashton: This ain't working too good at least not for the rest of us that maybe 1% but not for the rest of us. So
00:51:09.660 --> 00:51:22.800 Jerry Ashton: They're going to be rethinking finance in the physical sense of that world that word, and we've got bankers coming on with alternative ways of doing things like that that's that's what I did. I said, Well, what's the emotional
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:25.860 Jerry Ashton: And to me,
00:51:27.240 --> 00:51:28.950 Jerry Ashton: You got to get excited about things.
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.930 Jerry Ashton: You know yeah you got to have fun.
00:51:34.200 --> 00:51:39.060 Jerry Ashton: Absolutely no my motto in business was always have fun and make money.
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:40.320 Jerry Ashton: Mm hmm. So
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:42.870 Jerry Ashton: Sometimes not always in that order.
00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:45.840 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Is on the day right
00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:46.770 Jerry Ashton: depends on the day.
00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:49.380 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: But sometimes you don't make any money. So then you just have fun.
00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:59.010 Jerry Ashton: Not a whole lot of fun. When I say to myself, What is what is what is emotional. What, what does that mean to me. And I said, Well, that's a playground.
00:52:00.630 --> 00:52:10.530 Jerry Ashton: Is where people show up. They bring all their bad or they bring their bowling ball and they bring their fencing tools or they bring their, their art supplies, whatever it is.
00:52:11.100 --> 00:52:22.020 Jerry Ashton: There's a playground for people and the attention behind. Let's rethink this is to enable a playground in which people will have the joy of expressing who they are and what they do.
00:52:22.380 --> 00:52:39.930 Jerry Ashton: And be surrounded by not only like minded people. But those who are not the same color, religion, etc, etc, because in that type of a clue of a playground that I would imagine is the joy of showing up no matter who you are.
00:52:39.930 --> 00:52:40.650 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: where you come from.
00:52:41.550 --> 00:52:52.710 Jerry Ashton: So I said, Okay, well not handles emotional and there are a lot of people out there who would love to show up and rethink what that looks like. I said, Well, what's going to be the the mental part
00:52:54.780 --> 00:52:55.620 Jerry Ashton: And to me,
00:52:58.500 --> 00:52:59.460 Jerry Ashton: It's solutions.
00:53:01.410 --> 00:53:10.290 Jerry Ashton: It's solutions when you when you started AND STARTED WORKING WITH YOUR CHARITABLE Grocery, for example, there was a need
00:53:11.700 --> 00:53:12.900 Jerry Ashton: It was an open playground.
00:53:15.330 --> 00:53:24.720 Jerry Ashton: What, however, you were able to afford and financially or physically, you know, you showed up and you join in the playground and you came up with your solutions.
00:53:25.230 --> 00:53:37.080 Jerry Ashton: Because we are all tool users. We love solutions. So I said, Okay, are there any solution minded people out there might want to help us rethink things
00:53:37.860 --> 00:53:54.360 Jerry Ashton: Maybe the paradigm. I mean, it could go as low as, how do you rethink watch making to changing an entire culture. Yeah. And oasis of thought, so to speak. So then I said, Okay, if that's handled.
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.150 Jerry Ashton: Then what's the spiritual part
00:53:59.610 --> 00:54:00.930 Jerry Ashton: Want to make a wild guess.
00:54:02.850 --> 00:54:05.370 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Go for it means something different to everybody.
00:54:06.330 --> 00:54:09.360 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yes, you're going to tie it into the Native American experience.
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:10.890 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Well,
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:11.730 Jerry Ashton: It's interesting.
00:54:12.750 --> 00:54:20.070 Jerry Ashton: Because to me, it meant my work in our IP medical debt and that is causes
00:54:22.110 --> 00:54:23.040 Jerry Ashton: Causes
00:54:24.060 --> 00:54:41.250 Jerry Ashton: Why are we here. What is our purpose. How can we make, how can make the difference that everybody talks about, but few people experience. How can that be, how, how can that happen and it happens usually when within causes purpose. Purpose provides meaning.
00:54:42.390 --> 00:54:46.170 Jerry Ashton: And that's what we need more of in this in this world of ours.
00:54:46.380 --> 00:55:06.060 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, I mean, I've heard it, I, you know, the analogy to service. You know, like this. It really comes down to like when you when you help others, that's when you really get it, that's when you really understand, you know, the idea of service and in more. So the meaning of life than
00:55:07.200 --> 00:55:12.990 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Just self acquisition, for sure. And as an entrepreneur. I mean you a lot of what you're talking about is what I
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:19.860 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Term gentlemen on the show introduced to me earlier in the year, the idea of social entrepreneurship.
00:55:20.340 --> 00:55:29.400 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And where you know your service, whatever you're offering whatever you're providing obviously you want it to touch all those bases for yourself, you know, financially.
00:55:30.180 --> 00:55:42.450 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Especially when you're dealing with business on you need, you know, you don't want to lose your shirt. But if you could rope in some way where you're really like making an impact and making the world a better place. In addition to, to, you know,
00:55:43.560 --> 00:55:53.130 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Preserving yourself is a is a really big deal. We're gonna have to wrap up here. I just wanted to confirm with you. The two. The two main websites.
00:55:53.850 --> 00:56:05.760 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Is our IP medical debt.org where people can find out information, make donations participate, whatever, and then upcoming is let's rethink this com correct
00:56:06.630 --> 00:56:07.380 Jerry Ashton: That's correct.
00:56:07.500 --> 00:56:12.840 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Any other channels. People can can learn more about you or getting contact with you if they'd like.
00:56:13.050 --> 00:56:24.300 Jerry Ashton: Well, thanks for asking. I would like people to if they're on LinkedIn. Look up Jerry Ashton happy to connect there. I do, I'm going to be putting a piece out on medium.
00:56:25.290 --> 00:56:39.540 Jerry Ashton: Which is a platform for writers I also write on LinkedIn. I once wrote a blog for Huffington Post, as well. Right, I'm going to be doing more of that. So anytime somebody can Google me to find out what mischief. I'm up to
00:56:40.950 --> 00:56:45.720 Jerry Ashton: And if they might enjoy doing that mischief. Do I want you to know how welcome you will be
00:56:46.170 --> 00:56:56.310 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Awesome, that's great. Well, this has been a really lovely experience and something I'm getting more comfortable with just like hopping on the call and doing no we didn't talk before this. We exchanged a couple emails, but
00:56:56.640 --> 00:57:04.080 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: But that was it. Um, it's really been a pleasure. Thank you so much. And once things settle down. We have to get together, you still in New York.
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.560 Jerry Ashton: Yes, my wife and I have an apartment in the city.
00:57:08.640 --> 00:57:10.890 Jerry Ashton: We've escaped to Stratford, Connecticut.
00:57:12.810 --> 00:57:16.410 Jerry Ashton: My daughters would not allow me to stay in
00:57:16.950 --> 00:57:19.650 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Good, good. That means they still love you. That's fantastic.
00:57:19.830 --> 00:57:25.380 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, once once it's safe. I would love to get together, you got to meet my buddy jack O'Connell to you guys would get along great.
00:57:26.310 --> 00:57:36.630 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: A lot of stuff in common. So thank you. Really, really fascinating time and thank you everybody for tuning in. We'll check in with you next week. Everybody have a great weekend. We'll see you