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2020/11/03 - New York's History in Presidential Elections

[NEW EPISODE] New York's History in Presidential Elections

With Election Day and the question of who will be the next president upon us, on this week’s show we will explore the history of Presidential Elections and how they were impacted by events in New York City.

 My guest is Kevin Draper, Director of New York Historical Tours.

Tune in for this fascinating conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Jeff introduces his first guest, Kevin Draper, director of New York Historical Tours. Jeff asks Kevin where he grew up and how he got into the tour guide business. Kevin recalls being interested in New York history at a very young age, which led him to study history in college and create his tour guide business. Jeff and Kevin discuss what happened in the election of 1856 and New York’s place in the election before the civil war. Kevin recounts Abraham Lincoln’s speech at Cooper Union in New York before he was elected in 1860. Jeff asks if NY Republicans helped Lincoln get elected, which they did since they agreed with Lincoln’s anti-slavery views.

Segment 2

Jeff asks why support for Lincoln in NY wasn’t more significant, which was due to many New Yorkers still being pro-slavery. In Lincoln’s second election, his numbers went down even more in New York because of fear that Lincoln would lose the Civil War. Jeff then brings up the election of 1880 for Vice President Chester Arthur, a native New Yorker. They then talk about Teddy Roosevelt, who was on the ticket for William McKinley’s second term as president. 

Segment 3

Kevin begins by talking about some of the private tours he offers during the pandemic and how COVID-19 has affected his business. Jeff asks Kevin how New York reacted to Roosevelt’s more progressive policies, which tended to be looked down upon by the upper classes. They discuss why Roosevelt didn't run for a third term, which his advisors disagreed with because he did not serve two full terms. Jeff mentions NY Governor Al Smith, who ran for president in 1920 but did not win the election despite being beloved by New Yorkers. He was unpopular because he was against prohibition and a champion for the working class. 

Segment 4

Jeff brings up Franklin Roosevelt and why he was supported for re-election in 1936, which comes from his response to getting America out of the Great Depression. Jeff asks why the Republican party nominated Governor Thomas Dewey to run against Roosevelt in the 1940s. Dewey appealed to many people because he tended to be partisan and fears of Roosevelt’s failing health. Jeff and Kevin discuss Nelson Rockefeller, who ran for president but ended up as vice president. He was unsuccessful as a politician because of his progressive policies regarding abortion that were unpopular at the time. Ultimately he could not connect with the republican party of the time. 


00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:09.150 Jeff Goodman: We do it through interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists local musicians and artists and the occasional elected official

00:00:10.170 --> 00:00:18.420 Jeff Goodman: On some shows we focus on an individual New York neighborhood we explore its history and its current to energy. What makes that particular New York neighborhood special

00:00:19.230 --> 00:00:27.090 Jeff Goodman: On other shows like tonight's we host episodes about an interesting and vital color of the city and its history. That's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:00:27.900 --> 00:00:35.460 Jeff Goodman: Prior episodes of covered topics as diverse and illuminating as the history of women activists and the women's suffrage movement here in the city.

00:00:36.150 --> 00:00:44.070 Jeff Goodman: We've looked at the subway both its history and its art. We've looked at the history of African Americans in New York who went back to the time of the Dutch

00:00:44.580 --> 00:00:48.030 Jeff Goodman: We've looked at the history of the city's LGBT community and the gay rights movement.

00:00:48.780 --> 00:00:56.850 Jeff Goodman: We've explored the history of bicycles and cycling, believe it or not. They've been here for more than 200 years we've looked at the history of pumpkin opera.

00:00:57.570 --> 00:01:01.350 Jeff Goodman: We've looked at our public library systems. We have several not just one in New York.

00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:09.180 Jeff Goodman: We've explored some of our greatest train stations and even looked at some of our bridges. Yes. Everyone New York has amazing and fabulous pressures.

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00:01:17.520 --> 00:01:24.180 Jeff Goodman: Well, seeing as it's not only election day, but something that happens every four years. The election of President of the United States.

00:01:24.690 --> 00:01:29.190 Jeff Goodman: I thought I would take a look at the history of presidential elections in New York.

00:01:29.790 --> 00:01:44.790 Jeff Goodman: Who were New Yorkers who were involved with them and what events in the city historically had an impact on the presidential elections in the way that the country chose presidents, our first guest is a returning visitor to rediscovering New York. It's Kevin Draper.

00:01:45.960 --> 00:01:50.640 Jeff Goodman: Kevin is a sought after New York City historian and co founder of New York Historical tours.

00:01:51.330 --> 00:01:59.850 Jeff Goodman: He's an impassioned native New Yorker and he actively brings to life the incredible and inspiring stories that have made, New York, the most exciting influential city in the world.

00:02:00.630 --> 00:02:07.560 Jeff Goodman: For over 10 years Kevin has provided top rated first class tours in New York experiences to locals and visitors from all over the globe.

00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:13.650 Jeff Goodman: Is dynamic, knowledge, professionalism and gift storytelling have awarded him consistent five star reviews.

00:02:14.220 --> 00:02:19.890 Jeff Goodman: TripAdvisor Certificate of excellence, year after year, and he's won the accolades of the most discriminating clientele.

00:02:20.700 --> 00:02:25.170 Jeff Goodman: Kevin has led historical talks and lectures for top universities in Fortune 500 companies.

00:02:25.530 --> 00:02:37.590 Jeff Goodman: And as a respected historical consultant for major media and publications including CBS, ABC Bloomberg. The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal Kevin a hearty welcome back to rediscovering New York

00:02:39.150 --> 00:02:40.830 Kevin Draper: Yes, it's great to be back. And it's

00:02:42.180 --> 00:02:44.370 Kevin Draper: glad to be back on the show. Sure.

00:02:45.300 --> 00:02:45.840 Jeff Goodman: And on this.

00:02:47.070 --> 00:02:58.590 Jeff Goodman: Unbelievable day that we're experiencing right now, we're not going to get into discussion about current politics, but it is a fascinating time to be alive and it's going to be a fascinating News Night after we sign off tonight and the returns

00:02:58.590 --> 00:02:59.910 Kevin Draper: Start coming in. Oh, yes.

00:03:01.980 --> 00:03:05.220 Jeff Goodman: Kevin, you are a native New Yorker. We're in the in the metropolitan area. Did you grow up.

00:03:06.990 --> 00:03:18.900 Kevin Draper: So I originally grew up on Long Island, and it was about 45 minutes from the city. So basically, my entire childhood in my teenage years. I used to come into the city constantly with my parents.

00:03:19.350 --> 00:03:27.630 Kevin Draper: And then eventually by myself and eventually with college here in Manhattan, and I've never left. So I spent most pretty much my entire adult life here in New York.

00:03:29.220 --> 00:03:35.580 Jeff Goodman: And how did you get into the business of illuminating and entertaining New Yorkers about the neighborhoods and about our history.

00:03:37.380 --> 00:03:49.860 Kevin Draper: So literally from when I was a kid, I mean, probably five or six years old. My parents used to bring me into the city. I just had this incredible fascination with its history, it almost felt like I was traveling to eyes. Every time I came into the city.

00:03:50.910 --> 00:03:58.050 Kevin Draper: So I, as a young kid. I started reading about it, watching documentaries and then coming in and learning it firsthand. So eventually, when I got

00:03:58.410 --> 00:04:07.050 Kevin Draper: To college he went to college. I wanted to study history on one thing led to another and I really, you know, made had a thought me. Can I really do this for a living. Take a passion.

00:04:07.890 --> 00:04:16.230 Kevin Draper: That I have in New York City and the road for that would have when I was clear was to be an historian to be a New York City historian and to also start a tour company.

00:04:16.890 --> 00:04:24.480 Kevin Draper: To physically go out and do with people also not just in a classroom situation or stuff that could be read. So it's really been a lifelong

00:04:25.860 --> 00:04:32.340 Kevin Draper: Career, really, to be honest with you, my whole life has been about, you know, New York City history and and educating people about it.

00:04:33.270 --> 00:04:39.450 Jeff Goodman: And we'll ask you about some of your current programming a little bit later in the program. I'm want to start off with, with President

00:04:39.810 --> 00:04:53.550 Jeff Goodman: Presidential elections in the city. We've had a couple of technical difficulties with our first guest. So we're actually going to be talking about the period right before the Civil War two more recent times, and then we'll go into some older history of the second half of the show.

00:04:55.050 --> 00:05:06.210 Jeff Goodman: 1860 was such a tumultuous election year that year was Lincoln. Lincoln was elected. But before we get to that, let's set the stage in terms of what happened in the election of 1856

00:05:06.780 --> 00:05:13.830 Jeff Goodman: When the republicans first ran a presidential candidate and how new your played into the election that took place right before the Civil War.

00:05:16.770 --> 00:05:25.710 Kevin Draper: So, one thing I'd like to say to all the listeners, which is interesting and I always make this point. Normally, but we're going to be talking about politics, but I'm not talking about politics. That makes sense.

00:05:26.670 --> 00:05:36.750 Kevin Draper: Where that I'm not really giving opinions. I'm going to try to explain the facts, the best we've we know from these different periods in time when it comes to politics and the different elections.

00:05:37.200 --> 00:05:54.240 Kevin Draper: So what was happening in the 1850s and the elections of that period was the country itself was slowly expanding West so new states were coming into existence and there was this question for

00:05:54.780 --> 00:06:08.850 Kevin Draper: Years, will they be free states or slave states, the most part, northern states felt that, as the country expanded west that they should be free states and, of course, and then south was was more

00:06:09.510 --> 00:06:24.660 Kevin Draper: Feeling that the states that are expanding westward should be slave states because the feeling was if there were too many free northern states, there'd be an imbalanced, especially in the Senate. So that's really what was happening in the 1850s, is that there was a real

00:06:27.870 --> 00:06:46.830 Kevin Draper: Issue with how the country was going to develop. There's something called the Kansas Nebraska Act which dealt directly with this idea of how it should slavery continue and how and should it actually expands or contrast

00:06:48.450 --> 00:06:54.930 Jeff Goodman: And then, of course, the Republicans lost the election of 1856 and coming around the Horn was the election of 1860

00:06:56.070 --> 00:07:05.520 Jeff Goodman: And right before that election, a tall disheveled very people politician who grew up in a frontier state came to New York in the winter of 1860

00:07:05.970 --> 00:07:16.260 Jeff Goodman: He made headlines and it helped him catapult and helped catapult him to the nomination for president. You want to talk about that guy. And what happened in New York and how that led to him running for office.

00:07:17.970 --> 00:07:20.370 Kevin Draper: Yes, so the

00:07:21.540 --> 00:07:30.300 Kevin Draper: He was a candidate Abraham Lincoln came to New York. He was actually invited to give a speech at Cooper Union here in New York City.

00:07:30.870 --> 00:07:38.160 Kevin Draper: And you know a lot of people will look to the 1960 election and talk about how politics really changed.

00:07:38.520 --> 00:07:47.010 Kevin Draper: With television and the idea of your image and how you portray yourself in front of people, but really you can argue this was happening 100 years before.

00:07:47.430 --> 00:07:55.230 Kevin Draper: So when Lincoln came to New York, first thing was, he stated the Astro hotel, which was in lower Manhattan badly person City Hall.

00:07:55.560 --> 00:08:05.160 Kevin Draper: And it was also known as newspaper rose all the major newspapers were there and a lot of people would spend time in the restaurant and at the hotel. So Lincoln new this. He was very

00:08:05.610 --> 00:08:15.150 Kevin Draper: He knew where to stay to meet the right people to create some buzz about the speech he was going to get because memories candidate link and nobody know who's this guy is that guy is.

00:08:15.540 --> 00:08:27.480 Kevin Draper: And he knew that New York was becoming this media capital, even before we started calling it a media capital. He knew that if you went over big in New York that he can possibly get the nomination from this

00:08:27.630 --> 00:08:32.310 Jeff Goodman: And this was before TV did different kinds of media market. That's right.

00:08:33.570 --> 00:08:40.800 Kevin Draper: That's what I mean. So like the newspapers and photography was relatively new, but we actually went in at a photo session done

00:08:41.970 --> 00:08:54.720 Kevin Draper: Some very famous photos of Lincoln. We're done here in New York. Not only that, he's famous top hats that famous top hat that he'd be sort of ever forever known for he bought that while on this trip in New York.

00:08:55.230 --> 00:09:02.670 Kevin Draper: So his image of the way he looked when he was being photographed. The reason being, was he felt that if he went over. Well that speech or Cooper Union.

00:09:03.030 --> 00:09:16.950 Kevin Draper: The photograph would accompany that speech to be printed a newspaper. So not only were they able to read the words they would actually see him in a photo and maybe identify with him. So he gives this speech or Cooper Union and it's primarily

00:09:18.090 --> 00:09:29.430 Kevin Draper: speech about anti slavery. Now, like I said before, I'm trying not to get political. But what happens over time is you have real facts about what things are really based on and then you have opinion.

00:09:30.090 --> 00:09:39.990 Kevin Draper: But as time goes by the opinion seeps into sometimes the facts and the facts can get changed. But how do you change Facts are facts right you need so

00:09:40.710 --> 00:09:53.070 Kevin Draper: If I want to make this clear that this election had a lot to do with slavery and what what eventually happens with the Civil War, why has to do with that. So this speech that Lincoln Dave was a

00:09:53.490 --> 00:10:02.490 Kevin Draper: racist and anti slavery speech and what he did. That was brilliant. He tied a most of the speed into

00:10:03.450 --> 00:10:10.860 Kevin Draper: A talk a history lesson about the founding fathers and what their thoughts and feelings were about slavery.

00:10:11.700 --> 00:10:19.710 Kevin Draper: And the idea of, you know, the fact that they really believe that it should not necessarily be expanded that it should be eventually phased out because even

00:10:20.550 --> 00:10:30.810 Kevin Draper: In the 1770s, when this country was being founded slavery was an issue, and for the most part they felt it would die out over time. So by 1860 it didn't die out. It was growing

00:10:31.140 --> 00:10:40.050 Kevin Draper: So Lincoln wanted to make it clear in that speech about what the founding fathers were really talking about what they really meant that's point one of the points he was trying to drive home.

00:10:40.590 --> 00:10:48.780 Kevin Draper: And that he was trying to say that to vote against that you were voting against what the founding fathers and what this country is really about

00:10:49.980 --> 00:10:52.350 Kevin Draper: Of the speech went over so well.

00:10:53.400 --> 00:11:00.270 Kevin Draper: I'm even greater than he could possibly have imagined that not only was it reprinted through newspapers all over the country with his photograph.

00:11:00.900 --> 00:11:06.240 Kevin Draper: But that that's what helped seal the nomination for him and think about how that change history.

00:11:06.930 --> 00:11:21.570 Kevin Draper: And most historians will say, you know, how important New York was for Lincoln. But let's forget about what everybody else says, What did Lincoln say Lincoln said many times throughout his life. It's New York that may be presidents. Wow.

00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:28.470 Jeff Goodman: I want to ask you one more question before we go to a break, and that is that did New York. You know, I get that.

00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:35.370 Jeff Goodman: Being in New York and in the media market and I was listening to another interesting show a couple of days ago.

00:11:35.640 --> 00:11:42.360 Jeff Goodman: That talked about Edgar Allan Poe having moved here in the 1840s specifically because the magazine industry was being based here. So, there

00:11:42.630 --> 00:11:53.280 Jeff Goodman: There was that in the 1840s 1850s, New York was booming as a media place but did New York republicans specifically play a significant role in helping Lincoln get nominated

00:11:56.430 --> 00:12:15.540 Kevin Draper: Absolutely, because they that was what part of their party platform was all about was they believed that the idea of slavery expanding. That's one of the reasons why the, the Republican Party was formed, um, is that they were

00:12:16.710 --> 00:12:21.870 Kevin Draper: Really against slavery. So the fact that Lincoln was able to speak so well against it.

00:12:23.580 --> 00:12:32.130 Kevin Draper: This is what really this is one of the main reasons that, again, the Republican Party was originally formed was that they were very against the spread of slavery.

00:12:32.640 --> 00:12:41.190 Kevin Draper: So the end. So Lincoln was the perfect candidate for them. So yeah, so they and they were a lot of people in New York at the time a lot of books being written about

00:12:41.640 --> 00:12:49.530 Kevin Draper: A lot of the big players in New York. A lot of the big financial powers were against slavery and you can go away. Back to Alexander Hamilton, the first

00:12:50.460 --> 00:12:55.350 Kevin Draper: abolitionist society in New York was founded by him in here in New York. So there was always this

00:12:55.740 --> 00:13:05.220 Kevin Draper: Anti slavery feeling in New York, which is pretty strong for long time. So yeah, so the republican party here really started to gather strength and a lot of it, by the way.

00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:12.150 Kevin Draper: You know, if you went back to this period of time. Most people if you bought. What was the financial

00:13:12.900 --> 00:13:17.550 Kevin Draper: I'm intellect intellectual cultural capital of America. Most people would have thought a Philadelphia.

00:13:18.390 --> 00:13:29.760 Kevin Draper: That was really what the future that was that was considered to be sort of the city. So New York was transforming itself into this cultural intellectual financial capital and all of that combined

00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:45.810 Kevin Draper: What they wanted to become a political power. Also, so the republican party got a lot of strength from those in New York that we're trying to make new york city, the city of America and eventually the world. I mean, they really they were thinking in those in those terms back then.

00:13:47.340 --> 00:13:54.210 Jeff Goodman: Well, we're going to take a short break and when we come back, Kevin. I want to pick up on that election and the election of 1864 also in New York.

00:13:55.410 --> 00:13:56.580 Jeff Goodman: We'll be back in a moment.

00:16:01.620 --> 00:16:16.800 Jeff Goodman: We're back to rediscovering New York and our first guest on the show about present elections in New York City. My guest is Kevin Draper who's the founder and owner of New York Historical tours, Kevin, getting back to the election.

00:16:18.030 --> 00:16:28.380 Jeff Goodman: In 1860 the one where New York helped propel link into the nomination in New York, Lincoln just got 53% of the vote, not an overwhelming number, even though it was significant.

00:16:28.980 --> 00:16:43.260 Jeff Goodman: We have this lofty view of New York, the recently sent an empire state as you talk about economically, you know, doing the right thing and voting overwhelmingly for honesty, but it wasn't true, why wasn't Lincoln support greater in 1860 in New York.

00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.720 Kevin Draper: Believe it or not, I mean, even we

00:16:53.160 --> 00:16:54.690 Kevin Draper: Are but I'm

00:16:55.830 --> 00:16:56.970 Kevin Draper: Just giving an example.

00:16:59.010 --> 00:17:11.670 Kevin Draper: If you went back 50 years earlier about 40% of New Yorkers had slaves, believe it or not, even when this was the first capital George Washington port slaves with him to the presidential mansion and so

00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:25.410 Kevin Draper: It's surprising how sleep. How big slavery actually was in New York for a long time. By the time you get to Lincoln's election there. The, the voices against slavery.

00:17:25.860 --> 00:17:34.470 Kevin Draper: Were very loud say in the media and definitely some of the upper classes because we're getting into the Gilded Age. At this point we're against it.

00:17:35.130 --> 00:17:46.890 Kevin Draper: But statewide surprisingly the feeling was a little bit less than that, and even some of those in New York because business was so tied with slavery.

00:17:47.370 --> 00:17:58.530 Kevin Draper: So there might be this feeling that slavery should come to an end. And people might talk openly about it but they didn't necessarily vote that way because the New York economy was still tied in with slavery.

00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:11.970 Kevin Draper: Um, and I'll be honest with you. It partly there was some racism, be honest with you at the at the time. So in other words, when you have someone like willing to the end of slipper

00:18:12.630 --> 00:18:16.350 Kevin Draper: There were a lot of people, especially a lot of the newer immigrants that came to New York.

00:18:16.890 --> 00:18:24.630 Kevin Draper: Now I don't want to lay all this on the Irish Irish myself. I got part Irish in me. But when you have like a lot of diversion coming to New York, which is perfect example.

00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:32.880 Kevin Draper: The very idea that you would have these free black people free blacks coming up from the south. They felt it was competition for work.

00:18:33.210 --> 00:18:38.640 Kevin Draper: So a lot of like manual labor type jobs. A lot of these freed slaves that were coming up.

00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:49.260 Kevin Draper: Um, were taking jobs or at least that's the way it was felt so you had all these immigrants pouring into New York looking take the, the worst, most horrible jobs, you can think of, because they just wanted to

00:18:50.310 --> 00:19:01.110 Kevin Draper: Get some sort of work and then the feeling was we'll wait a minute, if we if slavery ends and all these people come up from the South is going to be competitions for the jobs. So that was another big reason

00:19:01.560 --> 00:19:14.310 Kevin Draper: It was about jobs. It was about money. It was about business, but a lot of people wouldn't say it out out openly talk that way. So that's why the election might be a lot closer than you ever would have thought would have been for Lincoln.

00:19:15.390 --> 00:19:23.190 Jeff Goodman: And of course we had the draft riots in July of 1863 and while the cause was ostensibly mostly because of

00:19:24.360 --> 00:19:27.690 Jeff Goodman: Sort of like in the South, a rich man's weren't apartments fight.

00:19:28.800 --> 00:19:34.680 Jeff Goodman: The most of the violence that did occur and most of the people who were murdered were people of color. Bye bye.

00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:43.680 Kevin Draper: Bye moms and that's exactly right. Because people here fell. Hey, why are we going to go down to fight this civil war to free the black people that that's that was the thought. That's exactly right.

00:19:45.090 --> 00:19:57.270 Jeff Goodman: Well, um, the next year in 1864 Lincoln was running for reelection. And he got even less so proportion in New York State. New Yorkers only 50.5%

00:19:57.780 --> 00:20:12.720 Jeff Goodman: Of New Yorkers voted for Abraham Lincoln 49.5% voted for the Democratic candidate forum and general McClellan. Why did support in New York State. Go down even more so. And Lincoln second election in the first

00:20:17.250 --> 00:20:23.550 Kevin Draper: That was a direct result of the war because for most of the war. It looked as if the North could lose

00:20:24.270 --> 00:20:32.190 Kevin Draper: The casualties were rising. So one more, you know, people were dying, you know, weren't coming home from the war it was costing a lot of money.

00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:36.660 Kevin Draper: And again, this, this, there is this thought that, you know, something we might lose this war.

00:20:37.170 --> 00:20:43.800 Kevin Draper: So a lot of people look at supporting Lincoln and continuing this war and continuing this fight wasn't worth it.

00:20:44.250 --> 00:20:50.190 Kevin Draper: So that was one of the reasons why there were a lot of people here in New York. And by the way, for certain businesses, obviously.

00:20:50.700 --> 00:21:00.660 Kevin Draper: Some businesses do well during a time of war because a lot of other ones that don't. So there were people that felt that the war was just too disruptive to everybody's way of life.

00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:14.340 Kevin Draper: And the fact that it, you know, it went on, year after year after year. Basically, mostly through his presidency, the thought was well free reelect him you know how much we're going to go on for another four years, you know, so that that was, that was the feeling

00:21:16.260 --> 00:21:28.260 Kevin Draper: Luckily, there was a couple of major battles that will one just before the election. And that's probably why he ended up winning by a pretty good margin ultimately throughout the rest of the states.

00:21:29.040 --> 00:21:35.280 Kevin Draper: Only that only literally right before the election didn't look like the tide might turn in the north favor

00:21:36.330 --> 00:21:50.580 Jeff Goodman: You know when, during the time of the Civil War, Brooklyn, which was the third biggest city in the country. Was it someone city. It didn't become part of consolidated in New York until 1898 and just like in New York in Manhattan in New York City than New York City. There was a lot of

00:21:52.410 --> 00:21:53.220 Jeff Goodman: Anti

00:21:54.300 --> 00:22:01.080 Jeff Goodman: Anti Civil War sentiment in Brooklyn, because a lot of the economy in Brooklyn, especially the waterfront was tied to was tied to the

00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:10.980 Jeff Goodman: Things that came from the slave trade, although Brooklyn. Yeah, it has to take credit for a lot of abolitionist activity and abolition ism, which as a native Brooklyn. I'm very proud.

00:22:13.110 --> 00:22:22.380 Jeff Goodman: But before we talk about another famous New York Sun around the turn of the century, I want to talk briefly about a couple of other elections in the middle of those. One was the election of 1880

00:22:23.010 --> 00:22:30.750 Jeff Goodman: Support in New York played a prominent role in that election as a New Yorker was on the ballot. He on the ticket. He was actually Chester Arthur

00:22:31.050 --> 00:22:42.870 Jeff Goodman: He was born in Vermont. But he was a New Yorker and he ran for vice president, he became president after the death of James Garfield, who was assassinated.

00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:56.130 Jeff Goodman: Arthur was not nominated for a for a full term by the republicans but another New Yorker. Sorry about the Democrats, but another new yorker governor Grover Cleveland was

00:22:56.670 --> 00:23:08.910 Jeff Goodman: He was nominated by the democrats and he won the election in 1884 interesting about him. He was nominated in 1888 he lost but was nominated again in 1892 and he won.

00:23:09.840 --> 00:23:22.770 Jeff Goodman: Not only was he the only president who didn't serve consecutive terms, but also was the only sitting president to feed it in a general election, who ran again and subsequently got elected, and he was in New York or Grover Cleveland.

00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:25.830 Jeff Goodman: Well, that brings us to the next.

00:23:26.610 --> 00:23:27.720 Kevin Draper: One quick thing about growth.

00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:33.000 Kevin Draper: As when thinking about road Cleveland. Very interesting. By the way, when he was elected president

00:23:33.390 --> 00:23:42.990 Kevin Draper: He did not turn around and fire all the Republicans that will working that he had the power to get rid of in Washington. He kept anyone that he thought was actually really doing a good job.

00:23:43.320 --> 00:23:45.870 Kevin Draper: And keep the most qualified people, which is interesting.

00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:50.580 Kevin Draper: I mean, how many, how many people do you know politicians that when they come into office if they have power to

00:23:50.850 --> 00:23:58.380 Kevin Draper: Get rid of people that are the opposite party which is do it. So that was one of the reasons I think people liked him at the time because he actually kept people that deserve to be in the office.

00:23:58.950 --> 00:24:08.130 Jeff Goodman: So actually, you can say that it was a New Yorker who saw the value of a professional civil service and while they mean I don't know if there were laws to protect civil servants. Then he certainly

00:24:09.150 --> 00:24:13.560 Jeff Goodman: imbued the spirit of having professionals to do the business of the people at certain levels of government.

00:24:15.090 --> 00:24:15.750 Kevin Draper: Absolutely.

00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:21.750 Jeff Goodman: And that brings us to New York's next famous son Teddy Roosevelt.

00:24:22.890 --> 00:24:33.420 Jeff Goodman: He really was a quintessential New York with the time you had many different positions, including police commissioner of the city, he was governor of New York, and he was also the hero of San Juan Hill during the Spanish American War.

00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:47.880 Jeff Goodman: McKinley as Vice President, during his first term Garrett Hobart, he actually died while in office. So of course he couldn't be nominated for a second term would have been a little difficult. Why was Roosevelt included on the ticket from McKinley second term.

00:24:50.790 --> 00:25:00.750 Kevin Draper: OK, so the one thing with Theodore Roosevelt and I'm going to back it up just a moment. His father Roosevelt senior

00:25:01.260 --> 00:25:09.810 Kevin Draper: They were one of the wealthiest families in New York. The Roosevelts they go all the way back to the beginning, read some of the original Dutch settlers where the Roosevelts

00:25:10.560 --> 00:25:18.180 Kevin Draper: And they were very wealthy, but his father, Theodore Roosevelt senior was one of the first that started doing a lot of philanthropy work.

00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:26.520 Kevin Draper: His feeling was, I don't need to spend every minute of my life trying to make more money I we could do some good. We should do some good here in the city.

00:25:26.850 --> 00:25:37.050 Kevin Draper: So given the example he gave money to the Children's Aid Society help port unfortunate children. His father was one of the founders in the Museum of Natural History

00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:45.690 Kevin Draper: And his father was also one of the founders of the Metropolitan Museum of arts and theatre Roosevelt idolized his father.

00:25:46.320 --> 00:25:54.420 Kevin Draper: Now when his father died and Roosevelt was, you know, trying to figure out what to do. Throughout his life. That's one of the reasons why he got into politics.

00:25:54.750 --> 00:25:59.190 Kevin Draper: Because he started to realize that it wasn't simply enough just to give money at a store organizations.

00:25:59.460 --> 00:26:06.990 Kevin Draper: He was one of the first step really believed in the power of politics. What could be done because before Roosevelt. It was not a glamorous career.

00:26:07.230 --> 00:26:16.830 Kevin Draper: If you are a wealthy person going into politics. People look down at you and thought, why would you want to go into politics that's that's for the common people. So Roosevelt felt the opposite. So

00:26:17.610 --> 00:26:26.190 Kevin Draper: He becomes governor of New York and he did terms with us today, you would say he was very progressive and very liberal very open minded very progressive

00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.920 Kevin Draper: And he started putting these things into effect in New York State like limiting how many hours.

00:26:32.670 --> 00:26:42.600 Kevin Draper: People could work fighting against child labor on certain types of environmental laws that would start to come into effect again just thinking of him being very progressive

00:26:43.410 --> 00:26:50.130 Kevin Draper: And it really kind of frightened. A lot of people in the Republican establishment, because there was quite a few people that didn't

00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:57.900 Kevin Draper: He felt he was going too far and they literally called him a traitor to his class. So he would go to some of the private clubs in New York.

00:26:58.320 --> 00:27:06.000 Kevin Draper: People would pull them aside. Say, Why are you doing this, why you're doing that, you know, it's one thing to care for the poor, but you're doing too much right and Roosevelt it care.

00:27:06.810 --> 00:27:17.850 Kevin Draper: But he was he was so effective of what he was doing up in Albany and really opening people's eyes up to what can what politicians can do what good, they can do for the people.

00:27:18.750 --> 00:27:31.020 Kevin Draper: With McKinley at the back in those days when you were vice president. That was a dead end job. No one ever heard from you again. You literally had nothing to do except sit there in case the other guy got assassinated. Right.

00:27:32.040 --> 00:27:40.740 Kevin Draper: And for a lot of people, their career ended, you'd be vice president for whatever one term to charge and you would just kind of disappear, you'd ever be heard of again.

00:27:41.130 --> 00:27:41.820 Jeff Goodman: Well, maybe. History

00:27:42.930 --> 00:27:44.520 Jeff Goodman: Itself after this election but not to

00:27:46.710 --> 00:27:48.330 Kevin Draper: Yeah, that's right. Exactly.

00:27:48.930 --> 00:27:59.880 Kevin Draper: So they basically forced Roosevelt's to accept the nomination. He really didn't want to do it because he kind of knew what they were doing to him, but they were

00:28:00.360 --> 00:28:07.710 Kevin Draper: He knew that if he didn't do it, he would just lose any support from the Republican Party. So he did it. So now he's Vice President.

00:28:08.490 --> 00:28:15.060 Kevin Draper: And as far as the republicans are concerned, or people on the far right, as far as they're concerned at the time he's careers over

00:28:15.750 --> 00:28:23.190 Kevin Draper: What happens the kingly gets assassinated their ultimate nightmare. He came to power, he got the ultimate to

00:28:23.730 --> 00:28:34.470 Kevin Draper: Job in the land. So in other words, the reason they put in there. So he would have no power and he would disappear with the assassination of course, everything is going to change in this country because of that.

00:28:35.850 --> 00:28:43.620 Jeff Goodman: And we're going to continue this part of the conversation and talk about Teddy Roosevelt after he becomes president after a short break. We'll be back in a moment.

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00:32:29.670 --> 00:32:39.600 Jeff Goodman: Our guest on the show is Kevin Draper Kevin is the founder of New York Historical tours and before we go back to Teddy Roosevelt, Kevin. I want to ask you about to the

00:32:40.230 --> 00:32:47.670 Jeff Goodman: offerings that New York Historical tours is giving right now as we are in the middle of the pandemic, but I know you have been providing some really interesting programming.

00:32:49.740 --> 00:33:02.190 Kevin Draper: Yes, to let everybody know. So if you go to our website, New York Historical so it's all spelled out, New York Historical tours com

00:33:02.790 --> 00:33:12.870 Kevin Draper: You'll see all our tour offerings and for right now with everything that's going on with the pandemic. I'm actually doing all the tours, personally, and they're actually private tours.

00:33:13.320 --> 00:33:23.010 Kevin Draper: So if you call up or email, you can, we can organize a tour for you. But again, I'll be doing them and I'll be privates and other ones will be no strangers with us. It will just be you friends, family,

00:33:24.090 --> 00:33:27.900 Kevin Draper: Coworkers whatever, whatever it may be. And we have been doing them through the pandemic.

00:33:28.380 --> 00:33:35.100 Kevin Draper: And they're all safe and they're done, you know, with social distancing and masks and everything, but I want to make sure people are

00:33:35.700 --> 00:33:38.760 Kevin Draper: perfectly comfortable doing these tours and I will say,

00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:48.960 Kevin Draper: What's interesting, what's happening. The negative obviously is everything the pandemic, but it's actually probably the most interesting time to do a tour of New York because everything is relatively empty.

00:33:49.950 --> 00:33:54.570 Kevin Draper: We do say a Time Square tour and we're talking about the theater district and all that history there.

00:33:55.050 --> 00:34:07.020 Kevin Draper: It's no one's really there. Um so anywhere you choose to go in New York City. It's very interesting time to do it because, again, it's very quiet and it's a good way to sort of rediscover New York or or discover new york

00:34:08.010 --> 00:34:15.720 Kevin Draper: By taking one of the tours. So that's the best thing to do is just reach out to me and I'll get back to you personally about but he's definitely got her and I also do lectures and zoom talks too so

00:34:15.990 --> 00:34:20.790 Kevin Draper: I do stuff for companies and what have you. So we can also organize stuff to do over zoom and stuff.

00:34:21.240 --> 00:34:28.590 Jeff Goodman: And since you're doing tours on demand. Kevin, it's not even like someone has to fit into a certain schedule, if they want to see your tour, let's say, of the battery. It's just like

00:34:28.830 --> 00:34:33.930 Jeff Goodman: You offer the tour and it's just use scheduling that private tour with them so people can literally take take any tour.

00:34:34.170 --> 00:34:35.190 Kevin Draper: And scheduled with that's

00:34:35.670 --> 00:34:45.210 Kevin Draper: That's exactly right. We're available seven days a week, we can, you know, figure out what time is best for whoever wants to take a tour and again I'll be doing everything, personally, so you'll actually be with me doing the tours.

00:34:45.660 --> 00:34:48.600 Jeff Goodman: And Kevin is a great tour guide listeners. Take it from me.

00:34:50.220 --> 00:35:01.770 Jeff Goodman: Well, getting back to Teddy Roosevelt M rosell ran for reelection me he McKinley was actually he was. I don't know if assassinated was the right word. He was shot and he was

00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:09.570 Jeff Goodman: He was actually recovering but took a turn for the worst any unexpectedly died. I think about it. We have he was shot. So Roosevelt becomes president

00:35:10.080 --> 00:35:17.730 Jeff Goodman: He ran for reelection. And after that election that's when he became the famous trust Buster and actually

00:35:18.630 --> 00:35:32.130 Jeff Goodman: Worked against many of the business interests that played a prominent role in your politics as, as you mentioned, to the New York establishment react to Roosevelt's progressive agenda as negatively while he was president as they did while he was governor

00:35:34.890 --> 00:35:44.310 Kevin Draper: Not as much as you would think. Now, I want to give an example, you take one of the most powerful people in New York and probably the country, maybe even the world JP Morgan, for instance.

00:35:45.510 --> 00:36:03.600 Kevin Draper: They knew each other. Roosevelt knew these people personally through years, years and years, years of being fellow New Yorkers. They knew each other in the club scene and just on a social level. So Roosevelt as much as they might rail against him in public. Ultimately, they knew that

00:36:04.650 --> 00:36:13.410 Kevin Draper: What he was going to do, he was going to do it anyway. But he was willing to work with people. So yes, he was doing the trust trusting. Absolutely. But it's sort of like he was

00:36:15.270 --> 00:36:21.990 Kevin Draper: They were willing to work with Roosevelt. They knew what they were. They knew what they were dealing with. They knew his popularity

00:36:22.680 --> 00:36:31.770 Kevin Draper: So they felt, it's better to work with him than against him. So that was one of the big things and you know and Roosevelt wasn't completely naive about

00:36:32.580 --> 00:36:36.000 Kevin Draper: Businesses growing and being successful. So in other words,

00:36:36.330 --> 00:36:45.180 Kevin Draper: The idea of trust us busting didn't mean that he was trying to destroy companies at the same time. In other words, he knew that there was some sort of balance that you had to have

00:36:45.510 --> 00:36:54.240 Kevin Draper: So when you talk about the establishment in New York City. Did they work with Roosevelt yes they did because they they they just knew how popular. He was so

00:36:55.980 --> 00:37:04.470 Jeff Goodman: Why didn't Roosevelt run for because he'd only been elected once in his own right 19 for why didn't he run in for reelection in 1980

00:37:05.670 --> 00:37:10.920 Kevin Draper: The biggest mistake of Roosevelt's life that he himself would say was the biggest mistake of his life.

00:37:11.970 --> 00:37:21.060 Kevin Draper: When McKinley was assassinated. He finished McKinley term. Then he ran to get elected on his own, and he won.

00:37:22.020 --> 00:37:32.760 Kevin Draper: In a landslide. He was so big and so popular, what he did. He said I will never run again because at the time, there was no laws against it.

00:37:33.390 --> 00:37:35.880 Kevin Draper: But there was nothing that said that you'd only have you only could

00:37:36.870 --> 00:37:40.380 Kevin Draper: Run for two terms. There were no term limits for presidents. Okay.

00:37:40.710 --> 00:37:49.020 Kevin Draper: So it was just George Washington who did that and everybody else followed that know everyone was afraid to run for a third term because then it would

00:37:49.230 --> 00:37:56.730 Kevin Draper: Seem like you know you're a dictatorship, or you're doing something, you know, it's a power grab so no one ever did it. So when Roosevelt said, I'm not going to run again.

00:37:57.600 --> 00:38:06.480 Kevin Draper: Everyone around him were floored because he never told anybody, he was going to say this. So in other words, there was no time for his advisors or anybody to explain to him.

00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:14.010 Kevin Draper: You didn't run for you didn't run for president for two terms you finished somebody else's term.

00:38:14.610 --> 00:38:22.500 Kevin Draper: Then you want your own time, so that the next election would have been your second term. And everyone would have agreed with that nobody would have

00:38:22.890 --> 00:38:32.430 Kevin Draper: Said that you were doing a power grab, especially because he was so popular. I mean, he was, he would have won that third you know his second term in a landslide.

00:38:33.690 --> 00:38:39.810 Kevin Draper: So when it was coming. Time to run for reelection again he held to that he didn't want to do it, but he realized it was a mistake later.

00:38:41.010 --> 00:38:54.180 Kevin Draper: Because he was very friendly with Taft and he felt that Taft, he would basically say this is my successor, and that he would probably win the election and he'll carry on with my programs. And what I want to do.

00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:08.490 Kevin Draper: So that was Roosevelt's mistake he did not have a first term, he completed somebody else's term. So really, he was only a one term president, in a way, he should have ran for that second time any regretted that again to the rest of his life because he would have gotten that second term.

00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:21.360 Jeff Goodman: Well, he did run again in 1912 but he didn't win. In fact, it was, I believe it was he in Taff to split the vote that facilitated the election of a democrat Woodrow Wilson and 1912 to the Presidents.

00:39:21.600 --> 00:39:38.490 Kevin Draper: And by the way, Wilson one with the lowest majority in history of all elections because since that since that since that ticket was split between Roosevelt Taft Wilson. I think one with 40% of the vote or something like that and and and Roosevelt came in seconds.

00:39:39.510 --> 00:39:41.940 Kevin Draper: So it's a shame because

00:39:43.350 --> 00:39:47.760 Kevin Draper: If the republicans maybe would have let them take the nomination, they would have won in a landslide for sure.

00:39:49.380 --> 00:39:58.410 Jeff Goodman: Well, we had another New York Governor Al Smith who ran for president in 1928 um he didn't win and he didn't even win his home state.

00:39:58.710 --> 00:40:02.130 Jeff Goodman: Why didn't the governor of New York when his own home state in that election.

00:40:03.600 --> 00:40:05.730 Kevin Draper: So he was extremely popular

00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:16.710 Kevin Draper: In New York City, for sure. New York City, for sure. Um, you know this guy that came from nothing and worked his way up, so to speak, and he was

00:40:18.090 --> 00:40:19.290 Kevin Draper: Its controversial, you know,

00:40:21.210 --> 00:40:29.220 Jeff Goodman: He grew up in the slum. He can't, you know, he was, he had a he. I think he had an sixth or an eighth grade education, he worked his way up became a member of the Assembly and then

00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:30.480 Jeff Goodman: became governor right

00:40:30.990 --> 00:40:46.650 Kevin Draper: He always he always says I graduated from f f m Fulton Fish. Fish market that that was his. That's what he said. That was my. That was my education Fulton Fish Market in the streets in New York, I'm up with the problem with one of our Smith when he ran for presidents.

00:40:47.670 --> 00:40:57.900 Kevin Draper: There were several things. First off, he was a committed wet. There's prohibition, as happens, believe it or not, outside of New York City.

00:40:58.620 --> 00:41:12.060 Kevin Draper: A lot of people in the state were happy with prohibition. It's only the people in New York City. They were outraged by it. So here he was openly talking about, we should get rid of prohibition and a lot of people in New York State didn't want that.

00:41:13.200 --> 00:41:27.570 Kevin Draper: Um, so that was one big thing. A Frau Smith and he was a real fighter for the working class and the poor in New York City, which that wasn't considered wasn't much of an issue in the rest of the state.

00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:35.070 Kevin Draper: And and he was Catholic. That was one of the biggest reasons why he lost that election.

00:41:35.790 --> 00:41:43.230 Kevin Draper: The anti Catholic ism, so to speak. So in other words, throughout the rest of the straight there was such a and the rest of the country. By the way, last in advance, like as people

00:41:43.650 --> 00:41:53.760 Kevin Draper: They were running cartoons showing him as a puppet to the, the Pope. For instance, you would see these political cartoons and magazines. So people were telling us, by the way, think about 1960 but john f kennedy

00:41:55.200 --> 00:42:01.710 Kevin Draper: The issues he had about being Catholic. Everyone's always need to be the first Catholic presence. We're talking about you know 3040 years before that.

00:42:02.100 --> 00:42:13.980 Kevin Draper: So being a Catholic being a wax getting trying to get rid of prohibition. And by the way, this was one of the first campaigns, where there was a lot of radio. So when you talk about media a lot of people

00:42:14.430 --> 00:42:22.320 Kevin Draper: Heard the candidates for the first time on a mass scale. And what did they hear that real New York sense

00:42:22.350 --> 00:42:32.280 Kevin Draper: Yeah, now I'm a New Yorker. I don't think I have an accent. But for some reason, when I travel around people tend me as being in New York. I don't know how, why or how we speak proper English everyone else has an accent.

00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:37.890 Jeff Goodman: It's like it's our version like English in New York, especially if you're from Brooklyn.

00:42:39.450 --> 00:42:46.560 Kevin Draper: Yeah, exactly right. So he had a real thick, heavy New York accent. So when people heard on the radio.

00:42:46.890 --> 00:42:52.380 Kevin Draper: Even in New York State, you're asking about why did he lose New York State. Remember, there's almost like two different worlds between New York City in New York State.

00:42:52.680 --> 00:43:00.060 Kevin Draper: So when they heard that accent on the radio people are sitting in Hong Kong. He's too much of a New Yorker, you are coming to New York City, New York City.

00:43:01.620 --> 00:43:04.770 Jeff Goodman: And he lost, lost in a landslide to Herbert Hoover.

00:43:05.640 --> 00:43:09.840 Jeff Goodman: Okay, we're gonna take a break and when we come back, we're going to talk about another New Yorker.

00:43:09.870 --> 00:43:15.810 Jeff Goodman: Who actually beat Hoover on his second go around for the White House. We'll be back in a moment.

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00:45:04.890 --> 00:45:13.830 Jeff Goodman: We're back and you're back to rediscovering New York and our special election day episode about New Yorkers who made a difference in presidential elections.

00:45:14.190 --> 00:45:22.350 Jeff Goodman: And that brings us to in my mind, who is probably the greatest president of the last century, and who was also in New Yorker Franklin Roosevelt.

00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:34.260 Jeff Goodman: Roosevelt actually succeeded Al Smith for governor 1928 when when Smith ran for the presidency Roosevelt ran for the governorship he won, he also ran again in 1930 in one we had

00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:52.410 Jeff Goodman: Our governors served for two year terms. Back in those days, not for your terms. And then he ran, but he beat Herbert Hoover and probably because of the depression that was in so we can Hoover's policies. Policies just weren't working and people thought of him as being a little bit callous

00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:09.480 Jeff Goodman: That wasn't a crime that could have been a question, but it was more of a statement. But then of Roosevelt, the second election in 1936 that he won in a landslide. He only lost two states, Vermont, and Maine.

00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:15.780 Jeff Goodman: Why did the country support this New Yorker to for a second term of office in the election of 36

00:46:17.700 --> 00:46:24.690 Kevin Draper: So thing with Roosevelt, keep in mind when he first came into office. Remember, we're deep into the depression.

00:46:25.710 --> 00:46:39.600 Kevin Draper: And when you looked at Herbert Hoover, who was Republican a lot of blame went to him. I can honestly say unfairly. You can't pull the blame on Hoover. Definitely not. There were a lot of factors to the Great Depression. And what happened, but so

00:46:40.650 --> 00:46:53.400 Kevin Draper: You know, a change of party was definitely gonna happen. But the big thing with Roosevelt's um Franklin Roosevelt was a Democrat and his cousin Teddy Roosevelt, who was a Republican.

00:46:54.600 --> 00:47:07.050 Kevin Draper: Roosevelt Franklin Roosevelt idolized his cousin absolutely idolized him and followed a very similar a career path Secretary of the Navy going

00:47:07.950 --> 00:47:26.520 Kevin Draper: Governor of New York, pretty much almost the exact career path. And the one thing with STR part of what he did when he became president, the first term. And then the next couple of terms. He in many ways you can point to the fact that he was continuing a lot of things that that

00:47:27.870 --> 00:47:33.870 Kevin Draper: Teddy Roosevelt wanted to do so more progressive way of governing

00:47:35.520 --> 00:47:40.680 Kevin Draper: Again, you know, in terms of workers rights and environment and a whole host of other things.

00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:52.410 Kevin Draper: Um, so I think that what happened was, with with FDR, the popularity was one the democrats were very happy with what he was doing terms as President.

00:47:53.010 --> 00:47:58.950 Kevin Draper: He was using the radio to communicate with people. So people heard his voice. Every night with these fireside chats.

00:47:59.310 --> 00:48:08.640 Kevin Draper: You know he's he's making saying things like, you know, don't even have to fear is fear itself. So he's a great communicator who make people feel better, just with this words.

00:48:09.060 --> 00:48:20.550 Kevin Draper: But then you even had people that were Republicans that again gravitated towards him because they almost didn't feel guilty switching parties or voting for them because they felt that he was so

00:48:21.930 --> 00:48:31.050 Kevin Draper: Tied in so many ways with Teddy Roosevelt. So that's one of the reasons I think that that you had this great appeal of FDR um

00:48:31.560 --> 00:48:41.250 Kevin Draper: And by the way, he didn't really have necessarily that real New York accent that Al Smith had, by the way, they said, if anything, if you listen to FDR. If you listen to him talking

00:48:42.630 --> 00:48:51.120 Kevin Draper: It's even hard to just try what that what that access it, but a very fluid accent. I don't even know how you describe it, but

00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.860 Jeff Goodman: Patricia sound like you're

00:48:52.890 --> 00:48:53.490 Kevin Draper: from Brooklyn.

00:48:53.700 --> 00:48:54.000 Jeff Goodman: No.

00:48:54.030 --> 00:49:04.500 Kevin Draper: Yeah, it's just something about it when you heard him on the radio people because, you know, radio, keep in mind, it's so important. Just like TV today when people heard him throughout the country. They didn't immediately think, oh, that New Yorker.

00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:13.230 Kevin Draper: They didn't think that at all. Um, and by the way, even people that were against prohibition that they did not want it to disappear.

00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:19.410 Kevin Draper: A lot of people started realizing that we could get, we should get rid of prohibition, even people that will for it.

00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:24.120 Kevin Draper: Because of the economy. One of the first things that Roosevelt did was get rid of prohibition because they felt

00:49:24.660 --> 00:49:33.600 Kevin Draper: scared because people knew at this point. By the time Roosevelt was elected president. The first time everyone knew that you could still get liquor. Anyway, that the mob was kind of running all that. So why not make it legal and tax it

00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:46.740 Kevin Draper: So he made the cut, you know, so he deleted decriminalized alcohol again and got rid of that. So that's some of the reasons why he was so popular, again, he seemed to cross party lines with a lot of people

00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:54.990 Jeff Goodman: And when Roosevelt ran for election 1940 he actually ran against a New Yorker. There were two New Yorkers running in that election, Wendell Willkie

00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:06.600 Jeff Goodman: And Franklin Roosevelt Franklin Roosevelt ran for an unprecedented third term in office, which he won. And then he ran again in 1944 and another new yorker ran against them.

00:50:07.590 --> 00:50:17.070 Jeff Goodman: You say the name governor. He was the governor of New York Governor Thomas doing most people remember Julie is running against Truman when Truman was running for his first elected term as president.

00:50:17.790 --> 00:50:28.020 Jeff Goodman: But actually do we ran twice. Why did he do, he was defeated by Roosevelt in 1944. Why did the republicans nominate doing again against trimming. What was, what was behind that.

00:50:29.550 --> 00:50:44.640 Kevin Draper: Believe it or not, so doing you could he was somewhat popular and you again. I'm only using terms that we all think of today. If you were to say someone was really conservative or very liberal. Think about that day. Right.

00:50:46.230 --> 00:50:57.450 Kevin Draper: If you use those terms. Back then today seem today things seem to be very black and white. You know, you either very liberal or you're very conservative right we have this real divide

00:50:58.470 --> 00:51:09.420 Kevin Draper: Not so as much back then. So someone like doing there were still a lot of things you can point out that he seemed very liberal and progressive about but then he also had sort of more this conservative side to him.

00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:22.380 Kevin Draper: Um, so that's why he appealed to a lot of people and and people knew, by the way, and that that next election that last election if the are a lot of people didn't know that he was sick behind the scenes.

00:51:23.250 --> 00:51:36.750 Kevin Draper: So there were people that felt that do we might have a real chance and they felt that, you know, Roosevelt running for fourth term they thought they could use that against him also turns out, by the way, one of the reasons why Roosevelt states so popular because a lot of his

00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:55.590 Kevin Draper: New Deal money was spread evenly throughout the country, meaning that he didn't necessarily reward a Republican. I mean, sorry, a democratic state or a democratic mayor. Matter of fact, one of the biggest recipients of that money was New York City and we had a republican mayor.

00:51:56.670 --> 00:52:05.940 Kevin Draper: So that helped in in FDR as appeal that he really no transcendent party lines for that very reason. But the reason they answer that to make it clear at doing

00:52:06.390 --> 00:52:14.700 Kevin Draper: Is because he was this guy that was considered, you could look at them and either you can anyway you looked at him. You could find a reason to vote for him. At least that's the way it was felt

00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:26.790 Jeff Goodman: And he also was a New Yorker. Speaking of another new yorker someone ran for president twice and lost against the same person. He wasn't a New Yorker, but the person who won wasn't New Yorker.

00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:32.040 Jeff Goodman: Dwight Eisenhower. He wasn't from New York, originally, but when he ran for president. Most people don't know.

00:52:32.310 --> 00:52:40.380 Jeff Goodman: That he was the president of Columbia University for five years from 1948 to 1953 Kevin, we're almost at a time. Sadly, but this one.

00:52:40.890 --> 00:52:49.650 Jeff Goodman: We have to talk about one would be president who also was the fourth term or have a different kind of Governor and Vice President Nelson Rockefeller

00:52:50.370 --> 00:53:01.890 Jeff Goodman: He ran for president and the six days he became vice president, he was the only one to be appointed not elected, he was appointed by Gerald Ford, I think it was either the 26th OF THE 27th Amendment I forgotten which one under which he was

00:53:02.790 --> 00:53:14.070 Jeff Goodman: Appointed and confirmed by Congress. Um, what happened to him. Why did he, why did he crashed and burned as a national politician and didn't get anywhere. After he after the vice presidency.

00:53:16.380 --> 00:53:26.610 Kevin Draper: So with Rockefeller, there is no question where, again, it's funny how when you talk about, you know, with somebody really liberal or progressive liberal or conservative

00:53:27.630 --> 00:53:36.900 Kevin Draper: You could look at Rockefeller both ways. So in terms of being a New Yorker. He was very progressive in a lot of ways. And one of the biggest

00:53:39.090 --> 00:53:47.970 Kevin Draper: Debates at that time was everything about a portion. There was a lot of talk about abortion abortion, you know, pro life pro choice. He was pro choice.

00:53:48.390 --> 00:53:55.800 Kevin Draper: Um, and that was really starting to divide the Republican Party. There were many in the Republican Party that were pro choice and those that were

00:53:56.670 --> 00:54:09.270 Kevin Draper: pro life that was becoming a real serious issue, and basically Rockefeller, who was drifting, you might say, further to the left.

00:54:09.720 --> 00:54:19.500 Kevin Draper: And Ford felt like he needed to go more. Little more to the right. Okay. And I'm trying to talk in political terms of today's everybody knows what I'm talking about.

00:54:19.830 --> 00:54:27.330 Kevin Draper: So where Ford was starting to get a little more conservative he realized that Rockefeller might be a liability on the ticket.

00:54:27.720 --> 00:54:32.610 Kevin Draper: So he he really didn't want them to run again and Rockefeller was fine with that. But at first.

00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:42.690 Kevin Draper: Ford, by the way, when he lost the election, the lecture was very close regretted that he said that was the biggest mistake he made that he should have kept Rockefeller

00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:55.980 Kevin Draper: And key and key because believe it or not, a lot of the, the more progressive ways that Rockefeller thought so too for it. It's amazing to think this, but at the time he did so he really should have kept him, he probably would have won the election.

00:54:57.150 --> 00:55:09.510 Kevin Draper: As for Rockefeller. Why did he continue on his career, he was failing and health and we found out later he was having an affair, so it looked like this whole thing was about to blow up. So that's why

00:55:09.930 --> 00:55:16.860 Kevin Draper: He kind of backed away from politics and he wanted to go more into philanthropy. Anyway, he was doing a lot of things in New York. So that's what you want to get out of politics.

00:55:17.220 --> 00:55:21.420 Jeff Goodman: And he had the ultimate failure in health, while he was having an affair physically anyway.

00:55:21.720 --> 00:55:21.990 Jeff Goodman: Yeah.

00:55:22.020 --> 00:55:24.540 Kevin Draper: Yeah, I didn't want to say that, but that's right that's what happened. That's

00:55:24.540 --> 00:55:37.560 Jeff Goodman: Why, yeah. Yeah, there was a I think there was a daily news. We're in New York Post headline anyway. On that note, Kevin Draper of New York Historical tours. I want to thank you so much for being a guest today and also taking up the full hour on the show.

00:55:38.490 --> 00:55:49.350 Jeff Goodman: Even though our first guest wasn't able to make it during due to a technical difficulty with everything that we've talked about and all that you've eliminated us with. I can't imagine having done this and a half an hour. So thank you very, very much.

00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:55.980 Jeff Goodman: Absolutely. We've just finished this week's Election Day episode I want to remind everyone, if you

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00:57:03.240 --> 00:57:07.470 Jeff Goodman: Thanks for listening, everyone will see you next time. And don't forget to vote. Bye.

00:57:08.190 --> 00:57:08.880 Kevin Draper: Thank you. Bye now.

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