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Thursday, October 22, 2020
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2020/10/22 - Nurturing Children's Spirituality

[NEW EPISODE] Nurturing Children's Spirituality

This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Retired professor of Children's/Young Adult Literature & Literacy Education and Award-Winning Children's Author, Dr. Anthony Manna. 

Through his many experiences and through his passion as an award-winning educator of 50 years, Dr. Manna has inspired kids and teens around the world to become confident, skilled, and happily-motivated readers and writers.

He has taught in schools and universities in Turkey, Greece, Albania, and the United States, where he immersed kids, teens, and young adults in powerful multicultural books and entertaining, action-packed activities, to help them enjoy the discoveries about themselves and others that great books and their own writing can encourage them to explore.

Dr. Manna's newest release
, Loukas And The Game Of Chance is a reimagined Greek folktale, illuminated with dramatic and evocative pen and ink drawings that provide an ideal backdrop for the intrigue that fills this touching story of human struggle, courage, and resilience.

Tune in for this enlightening conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Sam is excited to share his quotes of the day! From the universe, a quote naming off fun words that shine light on the brilliance and energy in the world. From Abraham, an enlightening quote of energetic meaning. We attract what we project. Sam next introduces retired professor and award-winning Children's Author, Dr. Anthony Manna. He takes us back to his first writing course and the process of learning his craft. Shares how watching his father go through the process of finding his lead is what led him to his path in writing and academics.


Segment 2

Next, Sam asks Dr. Mana what he felt contributed most to his creative writing. Mana talks about his first year of teaching as a teachers aid in New Jersey. This was his awakening in what the true meaning of teaching was, nurturing. After completing his masters, he worked towards his PhD and continues to audition towards becoming an actor. He recalls advice given to him during his time teaching at Penn State, “publish in order not to perish.”


Segment 3

Sam asks Mana to elaborate on how stories are important to the development of children. He explains how “story” is the uncovering of lives and reveals layers of living. Mana relates the process of dealing with real life situations and how it compares to the current pandemic as adults. Mana explains how he brought his improv skills into his teachings to “open the world to young people.” Further explaining how the reading of a story reflects the impact of situations in life.


Segment 4

Sam asks Mana to explain how children's storytelling has evolved over time. Mana touches on the impact of electronics and how that has contributed as a positive and negative. Mana then shares stats on the reading skills throughout children in America. The statistics are shocking but show how important it is to encourage kids to open up as writers. He highlights a powerful book he recommends called “Outside Over There” a book written by Maurice Sendak. A children’s book with a mixture of life lessons, psychology and pictures. Sam closes the show by reminding listeners to check out Dr. Manas new children’s book “Loukas & The Game of Chance.”


00:00:38.040 --> 00:00:40.770 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Afternoon, my conscious co creators.

00:00:40.830 --> 00:00:56.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. I'm very, very pleased that you're all here with me today. Yes, we have another wonderful show in store for you today.

00:00:56.760 --> 00:01:06.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And actually, it's an episode on a topic that I haven't really spoken about, I think, in like the 10 years of over 10 years of doing the show. I don't think I've really

00:01:07.470 --> 00:01:12.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: touched upon this topic and we will get to that when I introduce my guest in just a moment.

00:01:12.960 --> 00:01:19.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But first, of course, how can we start off without our quotes of the day. Of course I know you've all been waiting for the quote to the day so

00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:29.250 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Let's get going with our quotes from Mike Dooley in the universe in from Abraham. Let's see what they have in store for us today. First from the universe.

00:01:30.090 --> 00:01:53.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: rainbows and butterflies cat towels and dandelions waterfalls and rain forest puppy dogs and dragonflies Seafoam and orca is sunshine and comets snowflakes and icicles wild flowers and you did I think of everything, or what Crazy Sexy cool the universe.

00:01:54.060 --> 00:02:09.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We love our quotes from Mike Dooley in the universe. We're having a little fun with us today. As always, naming off some fun kind of things that will find throughout this universe, which includes each of us.

00:02:10.770 --> 00:02:36.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And it includes each of us because we are all important in this world. We all add our unique brilliance. Our, our own energy, our own light that we contribute to the world. And even when we feel like we're not really contributing much even when we feel like oh my god you know I'm

00:02:37.320 --> 00:02:50.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Depressed. I'm upset I'm angry. I'm fearful I'm whatever it is that I'm experiencing in the moment and I think like the world would be better off without me know that's never the case.

00:02:51.300 --> 00:03:04.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything, everything in this universe is here on purpose for a reason. And we all contribute something

00:03:06.180 --> 00:03:17.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Even those aspects of the universe. You think I really would rather that wasn't around. I really rather that person wasn't here. I really wish that like this wasn't going on.

00:03:18.720 --> 00:03:27.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It's all here for a reason. We may not be able to see in our limited perspective, we may be not be able to know what it is in this moment.

00:03:28.590 --> 00:03:47.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But there is always a reason when we take the bigger grander view of things we cannot see it. We have a very limited perspective. I mean, we're here on this planet for such a minute speck of time compared to the overall Timeline of time and space.

00:03:48.930 --> 00:03:51.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So really, with such a short

00:03:53.310 --> 00:03:55.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Time that we're here consciously

00:03:56.910 --> 00:04:06.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It's really hard to see that. However, the university's all sources all God if you want to use the term God, whatever.

00:04:07.620 --> 00:04:19.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: word you want to use whatever language you want to use. It's all here for a reason we are here for a reason. You have something to contribute to this world.

00:04:20.580 --> 00:04:27.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Does not matter how rich or poor does not matter whether you're famous or no one knows you does not matter whether you think

00:04:28.980 --> 00:04:45.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You have anything to contribute, because you're here. That means you do you absolutely 100% do have something to contribute to this world. All right, great quote from the universe. Let's see what Abraham has in store for us today.

00:04:47.520 --> 00:04:58.320 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So you could be on a high flying disc that feels like love and appreciation or you could be on the low flying disc that feels like honoree

00:04:59.010 --> 00:05:13.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And if you're wondering what disk, you're on just noticed the people around you if they are honoree that's the disk Iran and if they are on your desk, that is your point of attraction Abraham

00:05:13.590 --> 00:05:23.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Okay, getting back kind of a little bit to basics here with Abraham and when they're talking about a flying disc, they're talking about the vortex they're talking about

00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:41.820 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know that energy that we spend out into the world and if you want to know, sort of where you are energetically where you are emotionally where you are in terms of what you're putting out into this world.

00:05:42.810 --> 00:05:56.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Just look around you look around at who you're attracting what you're attracting what's coming to you what's not coming to you and it's all right there. We usually aren't very willing to see it.

00:05:57.990 --> 00:06:10.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But if we really take a step back and look at what is coming into and out of our lives. That tells us immediately and clearly where we are standing

00:06:12.060 --> 00:06:31.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So if we're now there's usually a little buffer, a little delay in things happening. But if where as Abraham likes to say tuned in turned on tuned in tapped in and turned on and what feeling great and were joyful and energetic and grateful for everything in our life.

00:06:33.090 --> 00:06:38.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We're going to attract people who were energetic and joyful and fun and amazing and our lives.

00:06:40.710 --> 00:06:53.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And if we're kind of sad and Solon and low energy that's the kind of people. We're going to attract into our lives. We're going to attract more situations to make us feel that way.

00:06:53.640 --> 00:07:04.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because that's what we're giving off and the universe responds to what we're giving off. Now this is a co creative process. It's not always completely about us all the time.

00:07:06.270 --> 00:07:24.210 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: However, the choices we make in the energy with which we show up in in life really determine a lot a lot 99% of what we're experiencing we're experiencing because of our choices and because of the energy that we're putting out

00:07:25.890 --> 00:07:38.760 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So if you ever wonder. Oh, am I in alignment or am I not in alignment and am I really feeling good, or am I just fooling myself look around. What are you experiencing.

00:07:39.930 --> 00:07:44.520 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Now it could be that you're experiencing something that's very neutral.

00:07:45.540 --> 00:08:02.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And by experiencing something very neutral. It really gives you an opportunity to really just see how you're feeling. And if there's nothing much going on. There's nobody coming into your life. There's nobody exiting and you're wondering, like, where am I in this

00:08:03.930 --> 00:08:23.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, it could just be an opportunity for you to reflect and feel and choose where do you want to go because we often forget that we have so much power in our lives by what we choose to focus on

00:08:24.510 --> 00:08:37.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Now look if we've experienced some big loss if we've experienced some trauma, if we've experienced something that has has kind of pulled us down in a way

00:08:38.670 --> 00:08:44.820 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Then of course we want to honor our feelings. We want to honor our emotions, where we are in the moment.

00:08:46.260 --> 00:08:49.440 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And allow them to breathe through us.

00:08:51.390 --> 00:08:56.880 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yet it's really up to us to then decide okay I'm feeling this, what am I going to do with it.

00:08:58.380 --> 00:09:02.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Do I want to just continue to focus on the loss and what I don't have.

00:09:04.350 --> 00:09:10.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Or do I want to shift that and remember the good times and remember what I do have in my life.

00:09:11.400 --> 00:09:24.210 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And merely by making that decision and changing our focus shifting. What we're choosing to look at, we can totally shift around our energy we can totally shift around

00:09:26.160 --> 00:09:27.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: How we're feeling

00:09:28.680 --> 00:09:31.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And the thoughts were thinking and the emotions that we're feeling

00:09:33.390 --> 00:09:44.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Now, I'm not saying we should not honor our emotions. I'm not saying that we should not be present to what's going on inside of us. Of course, we cannot help but to do that.

00:09:47.520 --> 00:09:48.150 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yet

00:09:49.680 --> 00:10:03.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: There can be an overindulgence into feeling sad or upset, there can be an, an over focus on all this awful thing happened. So I'm just going to feel awful for the rest of the day.

00:10:06.060 --> 00:10:21.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so it's really a balance between where is it that we want to go and where are we today and what is that journey. And I think we're that journey we're going to be talking about that a little bit that journey that we want to go on.

00:10:23.460 --> 00:10:36.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So we never stay completely still. We're always in motion. And the question is just, where do we want to lean what direction do we want to move into

00:10:38.130 --> 00:10:42.900 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And when we decide on that direction when we decide on where we want to go.

00:10:44.340 --> 00:10:49.680 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We can honor where we are and we can move in that direction.

00:10:51.360 --> 00:11:04.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So two wonderful, amazing, beautiful quotes of the day from Mike Dooley in the universe and from Abraham and I have a sneaking suspicion rather apropos for our guest today.

00:11:05.580 --> 00:11:20.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so now it is my pleasure to introduce to you retired professor of children's and young adult literature and literacy, education and award winning children's author Dr. Anthony, man.

00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:29.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Through his many experiences and through his passion as an award winning educator of 50 years. Wow, this guy's been added, while

00:11:30.090 --> 00:11:38.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Dr. Mann, it has inspired kids and teens around the world to become confident skilled and happily motivated readers and writers

00:11:38.460 --> 00:11:43.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: He has taught in schools and universities in Turkey, Greece, Albania and the United States.

00:11:43.770 --> 00:11:51.900 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Where he where he immersed kids teens and young adults in powerful multicultural books and entertaining action packed activities.

00:11:52.140 --> 00:12:07.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To help them enjoy the discoveries about themselves and others that great books and their own writing can encourage them to explore. Dr. Manage newest release Lucas in the game of chance, here it is. Hope you all can see it. Oops.

00:12:08.850 --> 00:12:16.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Is a reimagine Greek folktale and is my pleasure to welcome Dr manner to the show today. How you doing today Dr.

00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:26.580 anthonylmanna: Alright, thanks so much for the great introduction. Thank you. And also your introduction before the introducing me is a spiritual journey. Thank you so much for

00:12:28.290 --> 00:12:31.470 anthonylmanna: I mean, it really was a great introduction. Thank you so much.

00:12:31.890 --> 00:12:40.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh. You're quite welcome Dr. Man, I'm really pleased to have you on today to talk about sort of nurturing children spirituality and it's really

00:12:41.010 --> 00:12:50.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, I tend to talk more to adults about adults that that's really primarily my focus I unfortunately do not have any children.

00:12:51.030 --> 00:13:05.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So this really isn't a topic that have had the opportunity to touch upon on my show. And I've been doing the show over 10 years now so I appreciate you giving us the opportunity to delve into the subject that have not really explored before

00:13:07.170 --> 00:13:24.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So we only have a couple of minutes before our first break. So I just want to ask you. Um, did you know from the time like you were a little kid that you wanted to be an educator, a teacher that you wanted to focus on literature. How did that, that desire kind of cultivate within you.

00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:32.490 anthonylmanna: Um, I kind of fell into it. Actually, I mean, if I could go back a few steps I started my career.

00:13:33.450 --> 00:13:40.680 anthonylmanna: In a monastery. Oh, and I mean it. Actually, I started it in the seminary studying to be a Catholic priest

00:13:41.130 --> 00:13:50.490 anthonylmanna: And then I moved over and I wanted to get deeper into it because it was such a spiritual reawakening for me. And so I went to a monastery. It was a farm in Iowa.

00:13:51.300 --> 00:14:09.480 anthonylmanna: And I lived in community, which was absolutely fabulous and I started to grow because I had been a very poor student and what these priests and monks taught me was to think

00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:24.270 anthonylmanna: I'm just concentrate on to grow spiritually and I'm and I needed that for a while and they they got me thinking, and I took my first writing course there.

00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:31.770 anthonylmanna: Because in addition to our practices of learning. I guess I could say, learning how to be a priest or a monk.

00:14:32.370 --> 00:14:45.690 anthonylmanna: There was also there were also academics, you know, and so I i was majoring in biology at that point. And they would bring people in to us to teach us classes and we studied I studied ancient Greek

00:14:46.290 --> 00:14:53.040 anthonylmanna: I studied lown you know all those wonderful things that kept my mind and I started growing up, you know,

00:14:54.120 --> 00:15:08.610 anthonylmanna: When I took my first writing course. It was from a PR. I never, I never had that kind of intensity, where he he taught us how to craft and

00:15:09.630 --> 00:15:15.900 anthonylmanna: Was extremely critical. Now I must step back a little bit. Again, too, because my father was a journalist in New Jersey.

00:15:17.430 --> 00:15:23.580 anthonylmanna: He was a sports journalist and he was also a boxing referee and a boxing trainer.

00:15:23.820 --> 00:15:24.000 And

00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:30.270 anthonylmanna: You know, and so he knew Joe Lewis and he knew jack Dempsey, and he

00:15:30.570 --> 00:15:30.780 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know,

00:15:31.260 --> 00:15:33.600 anthonylmanna: My whole world. He and every week.

00:15:33.690 --> 00:15:40.680 anthonylmanna: I could hear him clicking that type of those type writer keys because he had a weekly column called ring highlights

00:15:41.310 --> 00:15:56.610 anthonylmanna: And so when I look back now. I think that was an inspiration to me because I watch someone go through the process of finding his lead and my mother used to say that in Italian English. He's trying to find his lead

00:15:57.960 --> 00:15:59.910 anthonylmanna: Like a celebration. When he got that.

00:15:59.940 --> 00:16:07.140 anthonylmanna: When he when he actually had that paper in his hand, and was going to deliver it. And then what we all had was briars ice cream because

00:16:08.490 --> 00:16:09.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It's fun.

00:16:10.830 --> 00:16:16.800 anthonylmanna: It was expensive. And so we can only have it at certain times, and there was. And that was the

00:16:16.830 --> 00:16:27.150 anthonylmanna: Judge. So, I mean, it led me on that path to go back to your original question led me on that path to thinking about writing and thinking about academics.

00:16:28.800 --> 00:16:30.090 anthonylmanna: And then, you know,

00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:34.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: As okay let's I'll tell you what, let's hold it there because we got to take a quick break.

00:16:34.470 --> 00:16:38.640 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And we come back. Let's then pick up from there. Moving forward. Okay.

00:16:40.110 --> 00:16:49.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: All right. Wonderful. Thank you, Dr. Man, so everybody please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon.

00:16:49.770 --> 00:16:57.930 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To 1pm Eastern right here on talk radio dot NYC and all over Facebook Live and William thank you loyal listener. I do see you on the Facebook Live

00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:13.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And just as always if you people if anyone has questions or comments just post it to the comments section of the video on the Facebook Live and we'll get to it during the show today. Everyone please stay tuned. We'll be back with Dr Manoj after this

00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:41.070 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Welcome back to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Dr. Anthony man a children's book expert, author of the book, Lucas in the game of chance

00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:55.590 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and educator of over 50 years. Wow, I can't imagine doing anything for 15 years. That's amazing. Dr. Man. So anyway, but in the end, the last segment. You were telling us to kind of

00:19:56.730 --> 00:20:04.950 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: How you. Your father was a journalist a sports journalist, so I guess kind of writing was a little bit in your DNA.

00:20:05.550 --> 00:20:16.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And how when you went to seminary and then to the monastery and became a monk and and then got introduced to to writing yourself. I'm curious like

00:20:17.670 --> 00:20:27.570 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Your initial you know classes sort of your initial foray into creative writing and writing. Did it feel natural because you were around it so much with your dad.

00:20:27.810 --> 00:20:35.700 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Or was it like something new and different and and and because of how you approached it. It was something that really lit you up.

00:20:36.570 --> 00:20:37.020 Well,

00:20:38.730 --> 00:20:52.230 anthonylmanna: I think the best way for me to answer that, of course, is the fact that, you know, I became an academic i mean i i left you know after after leaving the monastery and not being ordained because of my mind change. And I wanted to go into a different direction.

00:20:52.530 --> 00:20:52.860 anthonylmanna: But I

00:20:53.550 --> 00:21:04.770 anthonylmanna: I took what they they taught me. And of course it sustained me for many, many years, you know, as I live out my life but um when I be when I started moving in the direction of

00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:21.540 anthonylmanna: Becoming an academic when I you know I I started teaching the first year that there was Head Start now we're going back a while and I was a teacher's aide in Orange, New Jersey. Yay.

00:21:23.760 --> 00:21:34.290 anthonylmanna: And and i i i liked it. I was. It was like a it was it was an awakening to what teaching could be because there was the teacher who was responsible there.

00:21:34.800 --> 00:21:45.150 anthonylmanna: Was just a beautiful human being very caring very giving. And I thought, aha, so it's not only about giving information to people. It's about nurturing them.

00:21:45.990 --> 00:21:56.340 anthonylmanna: And so I started moving in that direction. I, I was finishing up my degree at Seton Hall University and South Orange, New Jersey.

00:21:56.940 --> 00:22:06.630 anthonylmanna: I went to. I went on to get a masters degree. And then I went on after that I went on I was teaching for a while in New Jersey and a middle school or high school

00:22:07.470 --> 00:22:28.560 anthonylmanna: Etc. And then wound up in a PhD program. And because I thought maybe this is what I want to do in the meantime I had stopped off in theater and I was working on an MFA a Master of Fine Arts and acting and I wanted so much to do that because I've always

00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:42.330 anthonylmanna: Some people will say, I'm histrionic but I think it's just a matter of it seemed like another avenue for me to reach out to people and I was training and I really, really admired it and loved so much

00:22:43.050 --> 00:23:02.220 anthonylmanna: auditioning all around the place. You know, and then realizing that at this time. Now, I had my son, and as he was growing it was, you know, was more demanding financially and I realized that as an actor. I would be working for three months and then starving for two years, you know,

00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:04.230 anthonylmanna: So I decided to go, you know, to

00:23:04.410 --> 00:23:15.000 anthonylmanna: The academic world. And so I'm answering your question by saying that a lot of my writing at that point was they were training us to be academics, which meant I was a researcher.

00:23:15.510 --> 00:23:17.370 anthonylmanna: And so I had to write

00:23:17.580 --> 00:23:21.120 anthonylmanna: You know, I had one boss when I was at

00:23:22.650 --> 00:23:40.020 anthonylmanna: Penn State University where I did about 30 years of teaching. He said to me, whatever you do whatever workshop. You do whatever class you teach whatever conversation you have turned it into an article and I thought, oh no, that sounds so laborious.

00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:54.000 anthonylmanna: Was, you know, you had to publish in order not to perish, as they say. So I kept I kept writing academic articles in order to keep my job. But what happened was, Kent State University did

00:23:54.570 --> 00:24:04.860 anthonylmanna: A magnificent thing for me there was a program called the Greek exchange program and that meant that I could go to Greece to a university there.

00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:11.880 anthonylmanna: And bring my wares and bring literacy, Mike, because I was teaching courses in literacy with a lot of concentration on

00:24:12.300 --> 00:24:27.900 anthonylmanna: Children's and teen literature and adult literature and theater and that type of thing. And so I brought language with me the English language with me to teach courses at Aristotle, University of Thessaloniki Greece.

00:24:28.170 --> 00:24:31.320 anthonylmanna: Oh wow, and I know it was wonderful. It was a city that was

00:24:32.430 --> 00:24:46.230 anthonylmanna: Established in 313 BC, so going to manage. I know, I know it was mind blowing. But I so I went there and what happened was I decided that if I if I was going to learn anything. If I were going to learn anything about

00:24:46.650 --> 00:24:48.660 anthonylmanna: Greek culture, I should go to school.

00:24:49.560 --> 00:25:00.300 anthonylmanna: And so I wound up in there was a an experimental elementary school on the campus of the University and I was allowed to go into this first grade classroom.

00:25:00.570 --> 00:25:07.080 anthonylmanna: With my, you know, I needed an interpreter. Most of the time I was studying the Greek language, but it was demanding.

00:25:07.590 --> 00:25:13.800 anthonylmanna: But the two teachers that in the classroom spoke many different languages because the Greeks do that and

00:25:14.430 --> 00:25:22.020 anthonylmanna: So they helped me out. And what happened was, to make a long story short, I was there a lot. I mean, I was there, about three or four times a week with these kids.

00:25:22.350 --> 00:25:31.110 anthonylmanna: Listening to the way they were being taught because I wanted to bring that back with me and maybe write an article about what the Greeks are doing in terms of literacy development.

00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:42.090 anthonylmanna: And in that same room was a university professor from there who who did her training at McGill University in Montreal, Canada, smoking with Lee.

00:25:42.450 --> 00:25:57.120 anthonylmanna: And she and I said, Wait a minute, I these stories. These kids are reading it doesn't sound like Greek mythology to me because I could hear the term, it sounded more like fairy tale or folk tale with Olga Chris's monsters and

00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:11.160 anthonylmanna: Rivalry sibling rivalry and the journeys and struggle. You know what I thought. So she said, these are folk tales in our fairy tales and and I knew that in teaching courses that

00:26:11.820 --> 00:26:21.630 anthonylmanna: In the university in in in the United States that we really didn't have very many of these stories. We had a lot of Greek mythology, of course, as we have any

00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:36.480 anthonylmanna: Allergies so Sola Mika Kivu who is the co author decided that we should take on the Greek folklore project. And that's, that's where it all began. So we did several we did several of

00:26:37.470 --> 00:26:54.690 anthonylmanna: Translations reshaping because what we usually found restores from the oral storytellers. And when the oral storyteller told it was originally very rough and, you know, we had to reshape that we had to, and also the other thing that we did, which I liked so much was

00:26:56.130 --> 00:27:07.680 anthonylmanna: We, I feel, I feel like we were sometimes just disrupting the status quo, because there were in the stores. There was a lot of sexism and sometimes racism.

00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:10.590 anthonylmanna: Sometimes the relationships that

00:27:10.590 --> 00:27:25.380 anthonylmanna: Just seem very tainted and really not needed. Did we didn't need it anymore. You know, and so we would work on that. It was just a fantastic amazing experience for me to move from the academic writing into story writing

00:27:25.800 --> 00:27:35.850 anthonylmanna: Gotcha. And so that that you that. So this book, Lucas in the game of chance this I did on my own. I took. I took a basic story.

00:27:36.810 --> 00:27:47.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I'm just curious because it sounds like a lot of even your early career you pretty quickly focused on children on on

00:27:47.880 --> 00:28:00.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Elementary school, middle school, even the high school. What was it about working with kids and educating kids and telling story to kids that really pulled you into that world.

00:28:01.980 --> 00:28:12.210 anthonylmanna: First of all, they are so much fun to work with, you know, I mean, there's, there's that entertainment value but and also the cause.

00:28:13.560 --> 00:28:30.780 anthonylmanna: When you, when you work with them and when you write for them with them that you get a chance to introduce them to ideas and concepts that they may not have really thought about very much. You know, and so it's a it's a tremendous responsibility and a tremendous

00:28:30.780 --> 00:28:31.110 Honor.

00:28:32.760 --> 00:28:36.810 anthonylmanna: And the privilege and the responsibility, keep drawing you back, you know, even now.

00:28:37.320 --> 00:28:48.750 anthonylmanna: After these 50 years of doing this I you know I go like, for example, with Lucas in the game of chance when I was working on the main script I would do a PowerPoint with middle school kids and say,

00:28:49.110 --> 00:29:06.330 anthonylmanna: What do you think of the scene. What should I do with it. See there, they want to collaborate, they want they want to come into the, into my adult world as a writer. And I love that because they give me some great suggestions and also because I feel like I'm collaborating with them.

00:29:07.530 --> 00:29:09.930 anthonylmanna: And we're both coming alive.

00:29:10.620 --> 00:29:28.230 anthonylmanna: I'm the original know because every story every story every, every story every poem every non fiction book their windows in their mirrors. They're sliding glass doors, you know, and it opens the world that opens the

00:29:28.230 --> 00:29:28.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: World.

00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:39.960 anthonylmanna: And as a writer as a writer. When I'm working when I was working on Lucas in the game of chance, that's all that was happening. I had no idea where it was going to go until it came to me.

00:29:40.800 --> 00:29:54.570 anthonylmanna: You know, and I don't mean to sound, you know, superficially spiritual. I mean, because you have to sometimes because you are writing in solitude, which I love going back to the monastery days of meditation, you know,

00:29:54.870 --> 00:30:02.700 anthonylmanna: That you're solitary and you are working, you are working inside your head you're you're seeking you are seeking help.

00:30:03.390 --> 00:30:16.140 anthonylmanna: And vocation, you know, and it's a tremendous place to be, you know, and, and so things come to you, you know, and that story started off as a very economical folk to call the snake tree.

00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:25.260 anthonylmanna: And what I did was I added characters I added scenes I added conflict and you know it all. It will start working out.

00:30:25.530 --> 00:30:34.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, all right. Wonderful. Let's leave it there because I see I have a question on the Facebook Live from scenario my other look another loyal listener.

00:30:35.250 --> 00:30:43.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Alas, that when we get back, and I'm going to start to dive into a little bit more of sort of the importance of

00:30:44.190 --> 00:30:57.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: folk tales and storytelling for children and how that affects them as they're growing up and and perhaps maybe we'll get a personal story from you about maybe a story that affected you as a child. Okay.

00:30:58.170 --> 00:30:58.740 anthonylmanna: Okay.

00:30:59.250 --> 00:31:08.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Well, wonderful doctor, man. Thank you so much. So everybody please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Dr. Anthony manner.

00:31:08.910 --> 00:31:15.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Author of the new children's book Lucas and the game of chance and we will be right back after this

00:33:41.100 --> 00:33:54.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. Thank you all for joining me today. I see on the Facebook Live, my dear friend Frank. Oh, it's been a while, Frank. Great to see you. Glad you're listening and tuning in today.

00:33:55.560 --> 00:34:02.190 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I'll get to us, and I'll get you two questions in a second. But Dr. Man, I just want to ask you first about

00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:13.470 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Sort of why folk tales and sort of these these stories that you know as adults we can sometimes be a little jaded about we can be a little like

00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:32.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh, they're just kids stories but but why are they so important for the development of children. Why are they, they actually. I mean, I don't know, but I'm sure, in your opinion, they probably do have a lot of depth and I have a lot of importance in developing when we're young.

00:34:33.810 --> 00:34:42.270 anthonylmanna: Well, you know, I think that whether you're an adult reading Kurt Vonnegut or whether you're a child reading

00:34:42.270 --> 00:34:52.860 anthonylmanna: Murray Murray Sendak you know story is the uncovering of lives, you know, so it's it's doesn't matter what age you're at, you know, and

00:34:53.310 --> 00:35:02.670 anthonylmanna: layers deep layers of living, you know, and children see this. I mean, you're, you're seeing children can see living well and in harmony.

00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:11.580 anthonylmanna: And what that can bring us to and they can also seeing stories living badly and in distrust and hatred and deception.

00:35:12.270 --> 00:35:28.710 anthonylmanna: And so what what story does is to open the world, you know, and so I mean children if you it when I read to children when I read to those middle school kids when I read passages to high school kids it's

00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:36.180 anthonylmanna: Right away we were asking so many questions about how do these people get on with their lives.

00:35:36.690 --> 00:35:45.960 anthonylmanna: And what, what about their relationships and what do they value. What do they believe. Why do they do it so badly. Sometimes, and also

00:35:46.830 --> 00:35:57.600 anthonylmanna: who saves them, you know, and they could do they could see that in a very religious, spiritual way and they could see it in a very secular way where, for example, my character.

00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:13.440 anthonylmanna: Lucas made a terrible mistake at a game of chance, a card game, and he lost everything. But he goes and he remembers the Greek legend about going to destiny.

00:36:14.040 --> 00:36:25.200 anthonylmanna: As a character in the heavens somewhere, you know, and he goes on this spiritual journey. And there's a lot of struggle in the forest in the Enchanted Forest, but

00:36:25.650 --> 00:36:40.260 anthonylmanna: He moves on, you know, and so the question becomes when he finds destiny and he pleads with her to restore his life and her son. The son and her daughter, the moon, they'll help him think

00:36:41.370 --> 00:36:51.900 anthonylmanna: And that's the big question. And of course, you know, whenever I would go, I would start talking about my manuscript, I will always leave that question open because that's the big question about life.

00:36:52.500 --> 00:37:00.840 anthonylmanna: How are we gonna are we resilient enough to survive all this and we're in the middle of a pandemic.

00:37:02.670 --> 00:37:21.330 anthonylmanna: You know what, you know, what do we need to do, how can we manage ourselves, you know, and I think that that is so intriguing for me to work with young children, all the way up in through teen who you know. And then, of course, I was at a university and I had very young, young adults, you know,

00:37:23.130 --> 00:37:40.680 anthonylmanna: I was standing in front of them for days every year, you know, to working with them, you know, and we would we would do things like take a poetry break read upon that lab, what the heck does that mean or see the other thing that I love doing is Improvisational theatre with a structure.

00:37:41.310 --> 00:37:41.790 anthonylmanna: And so

00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:51.420 anthonylmanna: We bring that into my classes because then we could do things like I created a drama around a segregation and integration.

00:37:51.930 --> 00:37:52.410 anthonylmanna: And

00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:57.540 anthonylmanna: We started talking about those values we started talking about cultural values. I started bringing in

00:37:58.650 --> 00:38:10.500 anthonylmanna: The questions of, you know, who's right and who's wrong and this particular argument, you know, that type of thing. So I mean now is opening the world to young people.

00:38:11.640 --> 00:38:12.300 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Fearful

00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:12.870 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And their

00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:14.970 anthonylmanna: And their place in it.

00:38:15.540 --> 00:38:32.520 anthonylmanna: You know, and that's what story can do because for me, you know, story is going to reflect and and then it's going to reflect the world around them. But the other thing is, see, one of the things that you mentioned in the opening with my dedication to multiculturalism.

00:38:32.790 --> 00:38:38.760 anthonylmanna: I started, I started the conference at Kent State University that isn't about its 3060 or something. Now, but

00:38:39.930 --> 00:38:50.070 anthonylmanna: It was a multicultural literature conference. And the reason why is because I had so many students of mine. Through the years, who say, I don't see me in the

00:38:51.540 --> 00:38:51.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.

00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:59.220 anthonylmanna: My, you know, where am I, and then I started having Hispanic students come in and say, I don't understand.

00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.750 anthonylmanna: We don't know. And so, you know, there. There's the mirror, you know,

00:39:03.810 --> 00:39:18.390 anthonylmanna: Yeah. And so, you know, and now it's getting better. It's getting better. And I mean, statistically, I don't have that handy. But, I mean, there are ways to finding this out because we've got, you know, organizations that that track how many books a year are being

00:39:18.390 --> 00:39:26.370 anthonylmanna: Publishing rather than is and we, we, there's an organization. We Need Diverse Books com we need

00:39:26.610 --> 00:39:33.000 anthonylmanna: Wonderful. They are nurturing new writers men. They have mentees and mentors.

00:39:34.020 --> 00:39:49.800 anthonylmanna: That compete every year to help each other out, you know. And out of that has come a resurgence of interest tremendous interest in multiculturalism. We Need Diverse Books, I would suggest people to go there and look because it's so interesting.

00:39:51.990 --> 00:39:52.440 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To me.

00:39:52.680 --> 00:39:59.760 anthonylmanna: What's happening there. But so there there it is, you know, it's like the. It's like the world. It's like a road that opens up

00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:12.330 anthonylmanna: When we when we start walking on that road the road of literature, the road of literacy language, etc. We're going to find ourselves somewhere along that road, you know,

00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.720 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and that's, you know, I just want to make sure I get the link right it's

00:40:15.720 --> 00:40:18.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We Need Diverse Books com

00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:21.450 anthonylmanna: Uh, you know, I don't know whether it's comma or

00:40:22.710 --> 00:40:27.510 anthonylmanna: But I thought it was. It might be bored because it is an organization, rather than a company

00:40:28.650 --> 00:40:28.920 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Okay.

00:40:30.060 --> 00:40:33.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Find it out. I want to post it to the to the live um

00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:45.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I just want to get to Sinise questions because she says she wrote as a child I read I read them wrote poetry. I read, read, and wrote poetry. I still write today.

00:40:48.300 --> 00:41:04.140 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: With a father as a journalist. Did you feel as a child that you were subconsciously interested in writing, watching him and then her second question is, was Oro storytelling ever an influence in your bringing folklore alive and books today.

00:41:05.640 --> 00:41:11.040 anthonylmanna: The first question about my father, I think, was I was very proud of him.

00:41:12.570 --> 00:41:26.190 anthonylmanna: He I was very proud of him, because I saw him struggling with ideas, you know, and, and, oh, and he had a very conversational style.

00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:40.020 anthonylmanna: Of writing and it was it was it was nice to see that I, I didn't know at the time that it was planting seeds in me of wanting to be a writer, but I go back to it all the time. I have

00:41:41.070 --> 00:41:45.030 anthonylmanna: A my siblings. I'm the youngest. Can you believe it.

00:41:46.950 --> 00:41:54.540 anthonylmanna: I have siblings in New Jersey, you know, and I say to them all the time it took me a while because my father was sometimes very absent.

00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:05.550 anthonylmanna: But it took me a while in growing up to realize the influence of of him on me, you know, for the, the writer in the

00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:20.730 anthonylmanna: You know, and so that's that's my first quote. Now the second question about the oral storytelling on. I wish I had when I was growing up, my mother came from Ultra powder in Italy.

00:42:21.810 --> 00:42:30.480 anthonylmanna: At the age of 18 and she had stories. You know, I did not know that she grew up on a farm until her passing

00:42:31.470 --> 00:42:32.850 anthonylmanna: I went to Italy. I had

00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:45.600 anthonylmanna: A photograph of someone that's a region of ultra pause on the back of it. I went there looking for this man. I said, Who is this person, nobody ever told he was on the mantle and I was crying.

00:42:46.230 --> 00:42:51.060 anthonylmanna: And he was some kind of a relative or right so we, I went to this this village.

00:42:51.750 --> 00:43:03.450 anthonylmanna: To discover right there. I walked around and heat, they went and more than Marty this the person you're showing us is dead, of course, but let us bring you to the form I thought what form. This is the fourth my mother grew up on

00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.860 anthonylmanna: Right there in the valley of the Virgin. It was cold and I

00:43:11.520 --> 00:43:22.500 anthonylmanna: You know and I met these people who had taken over, you know, and they yes and they remembered the history of my mother and her brother and the family, you know, and

00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:34.050 anthonylmanna: And that was, and that's what I wish I had asked mine I you know I wish I had asked my mother, the stories of our upbringing, because there would have been an oral tradition there in

00:43:34.620 --> 00:43:35.580 anthonylmanna: Our Father.

00:43:35.850 --> 00:43:46.710 anthonylmanna: My father was an entertainer and a storyteller, the story that I was working on recently, is it starts off with my father juggling oranges in the kitchen.

00:43:48.450 --> 00:44:02.370 anthonylmanna: We're all standing around like, Oh, this is so weird, you know, but, but, um, that's what he what he loved to tell stories. He loved to entertain and he was known throughout Manhattan when he went into these places where they were training to be boxers.

00:44:02.790 --> 00:44:19.560 anthonylmanna: To be a storyteller, you know, and he had all of these people that he met in the ring outside the ring in the in these, you know, in these places where they trained boxers. So, so, no. I didn't really have the oral tradition, I found it more, much later when I was in Greece.

00:44:20.610 --> 00:44:27.000 anthonylmanna: And the Greeks love to tell stories. And that's that was that's where a lot of it came from.

00:44:27.510 --> 00:44:36.030 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. Wonderful. Thank you, Dr. Man, I'm wonderful, we're going to go out to our, believe it or not, last break show it's flying so fast.

00:44:36.630 --> 00:44:44.430 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When we come back, I do want to ask you about, you know, sort of, maybe the change that you've seen working with with kids for so long.

00:44:44.700 --> 00:44:49.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Like, is there a difference in their consciousness in a way of their openness to sort of some of the storytelling.

00:44:50.070 --> 00:44:56.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and also just about sort of the importance for children's books, not just for children's before adults as well. Okay.

00:44:57.420 --> 00:45:13.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So everybody please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. We're talking this our doctor manner, author of the new book, Lucas in the game of chance, our out there and available and we will be right back in just a moment.

00:47:33.240 --> 00:47:39.510 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. I am really happy.

00:47:40.230 --> 00:47:48.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That you're all joining me today. I was just checking on the back end to see where we have listeners from today. And we've got people from literally all over the world. I saw Brazil.

00:47:49.650 --> 00:48:00.930 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yemen key Ukraine, Russia, Poland, as well as all across the United States. So thank you all for tuning in today as well as some dear friends, I haven't seen for a while.

00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:14.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Hi Sam on Facebook Live Frank Williams tonight. Thank you all for tuning in. And joining us today. I truly appreciate it talking really about children's stories and the importance of children's stories today.

00:48:15.390 --> 00:48:24.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: On our life today. And so Dr. Man, and one thing I'm always curious about when I have guests come on my show like yourself, who've been doing what you're doing for such a long time.

00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:37.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious what kinds of changes have you noticed in children when it comes to I guess their openness to to fairy tales, folk tales and storytelling.

00:48:38.250 --> 00:48:48.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Our children different today than they were 3040 years ago or they basically the same or or what do you see has evolved or change around children storytelling.

00:48:50.250 --> 00:48:56.520 anthonylmanna: I, I see very little difference, basically because what they what I what I do.

00:48:57.930 --> 00:48:58.530 anthonylmanna: Is

00:48:59.610 --> 00:49:13.380 anthonylmanna: Carry on the oral tradition, you know, and so they they they're, they're always attracted to story and storytelling. If there's anything that is phenomenally different is the electronics

00:49:13.470 --> 00:49:15.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And their devices, you know,

00:49:16.050 --> 00:49:25.350 anthonylmanna: And I mean, I mean all personally struggling with that as a grandfather. Yeah, with my with my, to my two grandkids.

00:49:26.010 --> 00:49:35.790 anthonylmanna: You know, watching them be distracted by that, in a way, although at the same time, you know, the yin and the yang of it is that they also learn a tremendous amount

00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:45.300 anthonylmanna: On the internet, you know, but it is it does take them away from some other functions, you know, as far as story goes.

00:49:45.810 --> 00:49:57.990 anthonylmanna: honest to gosh, I mean I am now. I was in education for 50 years of my life, you know, and I mean I was all over the place. Inner City outer city suburbia. You know, and

00:49:58.680 --> 00:50:09.900 anthonylmanna: It always remains the same. This the story. I mean, I can walk into a room not ever having met these high school kids, for example, and just start opening up

00:50:10.590 --> 00:50:26.610 anthonylmanna: What I'm working on. And there, and they really want to know, you know that I've got a story I'm crafting the story. This is what I'm going through this is the creative process. It's very challenging. It's tiring, especially for an old guy like me.

00:50:27.540 --> 00:50:32.670 anthonylmanna: In time, I keep at it, you know, and I think that, you know, I just the other day.

00:50:33.120 --> 00:50:45.660 anthonylmanna: I picked up a quote about resilience. It said, I haven't raised here is resilience means putting one foot in front of the other and meeting your developmental milestones, you know, and I think that

00:50:46.110 --> 00:50:54.180 anthonylmanna: I think that that I that's that's the way it always is, you know, is that like the my character. We're going to make mistakes.

00:50:54.660 --> 00:51:09.060 anthonylmanna: We're going to carry on. We're going to look for a way to rectify what we've done to restore our lives and and when, when I get into story with whatever whether was 30 years ago or today.

00:51:10.110 --> 00:51:17.190 anthonylmanna: All of those messages all of those themes are there for the taking. And they take them, you know, and I'm so

00:51:18.510 --> 00:51:27.480 anthonylmanna: Worried that i i don't see. I mean, I know I picked up another statistic. The other day that really disturbed me from reading is fundamental.

00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.620 anthonylmanna: Organization reading is

00:51:33.150 --> 00:51:53.790 anthonylmanna: And it says 25 million children in the US cannot read proficiently 60% of fourth grade students are reading below grade level by high school graduation only 37 of students read proficiently. You know what I think. I think if we could be reading to those kids allowed introducing them.

00:51:54.150 --> 00:51:55.170 anthonylmanna: To their own

00:51:55.230 --> 00:52:02.970 anthonylmanna: Not we're not talking about that at all today maybe sometime I can come back because the ideas that excited this is getting them to write

00:52:03.930 --> 00:52:13.380 anthonylmanna: Because when they start you know when they start writing now at Kent State University. I was working with a program that I adored which is called

00:52:14.460 --> 00:52:21.810 anthonylmanna: The, the writing the national writing project is from Berkeley, California, and we brought in teachers every summer who said

00:52:22.710 --> 00:52:36.000 anthonylmanna: I don't write. I never write I write Chuck shopping lists. And by the time they left us they were writing poetry and short stories, and that's the same thing because we said to them, If you want kids to open up as writers you yourself have to be a writer.

00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:48.810 anthonylmanna: And so you know that so that so then kids get the opportunity to explore the world around them, what would they be saying now in their diaries in their journals about the pandemic.

00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:58.380 anthonylmanna: And about having to be schooled virtually it's it or what would they be saying what are their disappointment. I mean, you know, we could go on and on because, I mean, that's our story.

00:52:59.460 --> 00:53:02.190 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, a lot of stories. There are a lot of

00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:13.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: A lot of journeys there as you mentioned before, like so much of the story is really in the journey and and I have to tell you. Now as I mentioned before, I don't have kids. I have nieces and nephews, but they live in other places.

00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:23.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I don't see them a lot. But every now and then, you know, my wife and I, we will watch, let's say, a children's movie that's based on a children's book.

00:53:23.670 --> 00:53:33.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and some of them I find even as an adult, I can really enjoy them. And there was one in particular, I thought, was such a moving story called a monster calls

00:53:34.050 --> 00:53:40.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And story of a young boy kind of dealing with his mother who has cancer. I don't know if you're familiar with the story or not.

00:53:41.700 --> 00:53:54.270 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And this monster, which was like a giant tree that would come to him every night and tell him stories and and and even just the ending of it of the child having to to come to

00:53:54.750 --> 00:54:07.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The dealing with his own inner struggle and his own inner emotions around the the trauma and losing his mom and everything. I mean, for me, it was such a powerful story.

00:54:07.740 --> 00:54:16.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and really surprised me like how much depth there was to it considering it was, quote unquote, a children's story. So I'm curious.

00:54:16.830 --> 00:54:32.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Over the years that you've been doing all this research and work and and working with fairy tales and stories from different cultures. Was there a story that kind of came to you that really surprised you or affected you as an adult. That was a children's story.

00:54:33.690 --> 00:54:40.080 anthonylmanna: So interested in there so many of them. But there's one. Many people will remember

00:54:41.340 --> 00:54:56.280 anthonylmanna: Where the Wild Things or by Maurice Sendak which was also made into an award winning film. Yeah, he wrote a story that a lot of people don't know very much about. It's very, it's very deep. It's very psychological it's cold outside over there.

00:54:57.420 --> 00:55:16.230 anthonylmanna: And it, it, it blew me away because and I had to keep going back to what it's like. It was like a mixture of psychology, a mixture of poetry, a just a abbreviation, you know, at the abbreviation of have a lot of life lived

00:55:17.640 --> 00:55:24.840 anthonylmanna: To be satisfied to be struggle through etc. And it's a picture book. Yeah.

00:55:26.430 --> 00:55:39.390 anthonylmanna: But I mean, you know, Pamela Travers of Mary Poppins ML Travers Jeet said, um, I hope I have that right. She said, There is no such thing as a children's book, there are simply books of many kinds

00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:50.100 anthonylmanna: And so I think that the there there are there. There's no distinction in my mind, you know, I mean, there can be some very

00:55:50.640 --> 00:56:03.090 anthonylmanna: Powerful themes. Now sometimes yes the language is going to be in such a way that a toddler is going to be able to relate to the animal characters, you know, from a top talkers perspective but

00:56:03.510 --> 00:56:25.260 anthonylmanna: It's always the crafting of it and honesty and the crafting of it in with integrity that you know that will will present itself in such a way that an adult will walk away from that mesmerized waking enjoying it entertained by it.

00:56:26.700 --> 00:56:33.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Very, very wonderfully said, I'm gonna have to check this book out now outside over there.

00:56:36.030 --> 00:56:49.710 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So we're almost at the end of the show, but I definitely want to give you a chance to let people know if they would like to get in touch with you find your books. One more about you, do you have a website, you have some place where people can learn more about you.

00:56:50.190 --> 00:56:59.430 anthonylmanna: Oh yeah, it's WWW dot Anthony manner that's m a n na Anthony man of

00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:01.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. Yeah.

00:57:01.890 --> 00:57:19.710 anthonylmanna: And if people want to get in touch with me. Also my email addresses Anthony man of books calm anthony anthony manage books calm, it's easy to remember. No, I, and I know that the one person who asked me two questions. What was her name again.

00:57:19.950 --> 00:57:20.730 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So NYAH

00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:26.640 anthonylmanna: Tell I want to tell her keep writing poetry and send me some, I would love to see some of your poetry.

00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.180 anthonylmanna: I read I read at least one poem today.

00:57:31.230 --> 00:57:31.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because

00:57:32.010 --> 00:57:35.520 anthonylmanna: It keeps my my old guy brain working

00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:36.270 Very

00:57:37.560 --> 00:57:51.060 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Well, I know. Wonderful. Wonderful. Thank you, Dr. Madison is an old dear friend of mine. We've known each other for years and years and years and reconnected recently over Facebook. So I'm sure she'll be very happy.

00:57:51.300 --> 00:58:06.270 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To do that I know tonight. So once again, thank you so much for coming on Dr. Mann, author of the new children's book Lucas spelled Li mo you K as in the game of chance, a beautiful illustration

00:58:07.740 --> 00:58:14.670 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Children's Book highly recommended. Dr. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show today. I appreciate it. I wish you all the best.

00:58:14.940 --> 00:58:22.080 anthonylmanna: Thank you so much. It's been a fantastic experience and I wave to all the listeners all over the world. Take good care.

00:58:22.740 --> 00:58:30.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful take care now. Thank you all for tuning in. Stay tuned. Coming up next, it's can foster initial voices of courage followed later today.

00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:43.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: at 5pm with Antonio Thompson and her show. So now you know. And of course, this evening. Graham Dobbin and his show the mind behind leadership. Thank you all for tuning in. We will talk to you next week.

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