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The Conscious Consultant Hour

Thursday, October 15, 2020
15
Oct

2020/10/15 - Ancient Wisdom for Modern Leaders

~ AWAKENING HUMANITY ~

Sam Liebowitz, will discuss all types of topics to help you raise your awareness.

[NEW EPISODE] Ancient Wisdom for Modern Leaders

This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Leadership & Influence Expert, International Keynote Speaker, and Bestselling Author, Karen McGregor.

Karen McGregor is a leadership & influence expert, international keynote speaker, and the bestselling author of several books, including her latest The Tao of Influence: Creating Lasting Change for a Better World.

Karen helps business professionals and entrepreneurs to have the greatest impact and influence through the integration of ancient wisdom teachings. She built her own multiple 6-figure company 7 years ago from the ground up as a single mom; through her own challenging journey and struggles with her Type A personality, Karen shares how to access deep inner wisdom and harmony (in an often chaotic, demanding and ever changing environment) while getting extraordinary results professionally and personally. She has presented to thousands of people in a variety of industries and is respected as a speaker who motivates and inspires audiences to take action.

As a 2018 TEDx speaker with over one million views and an international speaker sharing the stage with Tony Robbins, John Gray, Deepak Chopra and others, Karen knows how to inspire leaders to become influential, modern-day mystics in the boardroom, in their communities and on the global stage… all while taking the necessary action to produce sustainable change.

Tune in for this enlightening broadcast at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.


Show Notes

Segment 1

Sam reads his quotes of the day. Sam welcomes his guest, Karen McGregor. She is a thought leader and global speaker. She supports leaders to master their internal environment and helps them to become a powerful source for change. Sam starts out asking Karen about her background and her journey to get to where she is today. She saw Tony Robbins on stage when she was 30 years old. She decided she wanted to be on stage with that man one day. It was a soul calling that she had. She listened to the strong calling, and started to write and speak and train speakers. She has been working for herself for 17 years. She has 3 books, and started out with interviewing entrepreneurs about their success stories. After that she wrote a book about how to drop down from your head to your heart. 

Segment 2

Many of us are coming back to simplicity, and coming back to what really matters. The Tao resonated with her and she decided to write a book on it. When her father passed away and she was going through a divorce she was really struggling. When she picked up the Tao, she came across a line that said we can have challenges, in fact we all will have challenges, but it’s how we choose to experience those challenges. This line stuck with her. The Tao says what if we did have that challenge but not enter into the chaos and anxiety of that challenge. She was suffering and wanted to look at how she can help herself and others to live better using the Tao. Influence is related to power, and a lot of people look at it a negative way rather than a positive way. Power is what all of our decisions and the way we view life is related to. Power is like a tool, similar to a hammer, and it is not inherently good or bad but it’s the way you use it. The Tao is about maintaining balance. Come back to the question, am I doing this out of love or am I trying to just be a good person, be worthy?

Segment 3

Karen is passionate about helping people dismantle their power patterns and come back to the presence. She wants people to understand how to live in the present. Once you realize it you won’t only see your own but other peoples actions as well. The hardest part about shifting their relationship with power is the habits have to be created. When you are the witness to your thoughts and behaviors, it takes practice. Sometimes starting with yoga and meditation can help you bring awareness, but it's only one part. It is about establishing the habits that allow us to come back to reality. True presence is power. There are two types of purpose, many people think “What should I do next?” When you are present to what is in front of you, it is easier to tap into your guidance and intuition and unfold your purpose. Many people want someone to tell them what their purpose is. 

Segment 4

When we work with our power patterns and become present, and tune into our deepest purpose (which is to love), then we can merge our mysticism and activism. During this crazy time, people are waking up to the fact that the materialistic attitude is not fulfilling. Relationships, our health, the environment, these are all more important. In the worst of times there is the strongest way that we can think and behave. For herself, letting go and allowing was really important because as a speaker people want to know how you are doing. We have to commit to living that lifestyle no matter the outside circumstances. 


Transcript

00:00:50.010 --> 00:01:05.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Good Afternoon, my conscious co creators. Welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. We're doing things a little bit differently today. So hopefully

00:01:06.510 --> 00:01:21.120 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: everything will work out waiting for my guests to show up waiting for the Facebook Live. To get started, but we of course will continue through and we will start as usual with our quotes of the day.

00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:34.350 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: From the universe and from Abraham still waiting to see my guest who hasn't shown up yet, but hopefully she will be here shortly. She's really wonderful. So

00:01:35.010 --> 00:01:47.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I'm really looking forward to having her on the show today. So let's get started with our quote from the universe. First, let's see what the universe has in store for us.

00:01:48.780 --> 00:02:06.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When just starting out on a new journey, it's only natural to feel vulnerable like you have so much to lose. But may I remind you that never again at any other point in the same journey. Will you ever have so much to gain

00:02:08.070 --> 00:02:19.380 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I'll take that as a yes. Tally Whoa, the universe. Haha. We love our quotes from Mike Dooley in the universe. Yeah, I think that this quote kind of

00:02:20.790 --> 00:02:23.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: teasing us a little bit about how

00:02:24.330 --> 00:02:30.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know sometimes when we're starting off something new. We kind of feel like

00:02:31.350 --> 00:02:41.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, we're uncertain there. There's so much that can go wrong. There's so much like that we can use lose, but it's really all about our perspective.

00:02:41.700 --> 00:03:01.440 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and it's not always about how much can we lose. It's about how much can we gain. It's like when we're starting over when we're starting from scratch. When we're in this place of newness. We can create anything. And I think this is a very apropos quote

00:03:03.870 --> 00:03:04.710 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because

00:03:05.760 --> 00:03:11.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It really um I think can speak to a lot of situations that people are in right now.

00:03:13.290 --> 00:03:24.360 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because with everything going on with the pandemic with restrictions and you know things open up for the summer, which looks like we're going to be closing down again shortly.

00:03:26.580 --> 00:03:35.100 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: There's so much that's new and different on the journey for most people, you know, most people were not prepared for this. Most people

00:03:36.480 --> 00:03:45.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Never have no clue. Like, how to deal with this kind of situation where everything is different than it was just a few months ago.

00:03:46.650 --> 00:03:47.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And so

00:03:49.560 --> 00:04:00.420 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It when we looking at this situation and we're not really quite sure which way to go. You know, it's easy to look on the negative side of things. It's easy to say, oh my god.

00:04:01.770 --> 00:04:09.930 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, the, I don't know what to do and and there's so much that I can lose my income my business, my career, whatever.

00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:26.790 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And in the exact same position. We can also say, Oh my God, what a great opportunity. I can create something brand new. I can go in a totally different direction. And I can change because my values now are different.

00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:43.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So it really all comes down to just our particular perspective on the situation that we're in. It's never about the situation, it's always about how we interpret and how we see our situation.

00:04:44.730 --> 00:04:51.960 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So wonderful quote from the university kick us off. Okay, let's see what Abraham has for us today, and then we'll introduce our guest.

00:04:52.770 --> 00:05:02.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: From Abraham, there will be a time not so far from now that you will look back on this phase of your life and instead of condemning or beating up on it.

00:05:03.330 --> 00:05:17.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: instead of blaming or guilty, you will feel appreciation for it because you will understand that a renewed desire for life was born out of this period that will bring you to physical heights.

00:05:17.730 --> 00:05:29.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That you could not have achieved without the contrast that gave birth to this desire Abraham who I love this quote I think it's the first time I've had this quote on the show.

00:05:30.990 --> 00:05:41.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And this one, it really speaks to me because it's one that I often use a lot with clients with talking to friends, working with people.

00:05:42.840 --> 00:05:43.290 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That

00:05:44.670 --> 00:05:45.390 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When

00:05:47.490 --> 00:06:08.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When we're in the middle of something when we're going through, sometimes the most difficult heart wrenching challenging times of our life where we're often judging that experience we're judging what's going on and we kind of feel like, oh my god, this is awful. This is horrible.

00:06:09.300 --> 00:06:14.400 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When we're in the middle of it, but we have such a limited perspective.

00:06:15.450 --> 00:06:16.170 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: That

00:06:17.400 --> 00:06:32.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We don't really see the long term effects of this and it's not often not until, weeks, months, maybe years or decades later, that we look back on that period of time in our life.

00:06:32.790 --> 00:06:42.990 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And we say to ourselves. Oh my god. Like, I grew so much from that I am who I am today because of those trials that I went through.

00:06:43.500 --> 00:06:50.190 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and I'm such a better person because of it yet. At the time we were going through those challenges.

00:06:51.030 --> 00:07:02.910 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: We were like, Oh my God, when is this going to be over. Oh my god, I can't wait for this to finish and and we're just all we're doing is just completely judging what we're going through at the time.

00:07:04.020 --> 00:07:18.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And where we're totally missing the gift in the journey. So this is why I often say to people, it's like we don't have the perspective to say whether what we're going through in the moment is good or bad. And this applies to even what's happening today.

00:07:19.770 --> 00:07:27.270 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I always say, let's just put it off just for 24 hours. Let's just say I'm not going to judge this until tomorrow.

00:07:28.290 --> 00:07:35.520 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And then of course you know what you do when tomorrow comes. Well, I still not quite sure I don't really have a perspective. Let me wait until tomorrow.

00:07:36.570 --> 00:07:53.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And if we just keep putting off judging something from one day to the next to the next. Eventually we build up that habit that muscle of not judging the situations where in and then we're freer

00:07:54.420 --> 00:08:07.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To view them differently then we're free or to be able to say, Okay, what's the gift in this. How does this serve me or just it is what it is. And I'll just get through it the best I can, like I always do.

00:08:09.180 --> 00:08:19.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So I know that, look, I mean, in the real world, things can be tough. Of course they can. That's life.

00:08:19.710 --> 00:08:28.140 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But we grow from that sometimes and sometimes those are our greatest gifts. Sometimes there are our greatest challenges, but sometimes there are our greatest gifts.

00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:37.890 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The key is we just do not have the perspective to know what it is in the moment and oftentimes it takes a years and years and years.

00:08:38.370 --> 00:08:45.870 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To have the perspective to let us know what kind of gift. It was. And indeed, over time, it may shift and change.

00:08:46.170 --> 00:08:58.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: One year you may look back upon it and say, oh, man, it was wonderful. And then the next year. It's like, oh, but it led to this and this is awful right now. Oh, but it led to that and that's great. Now, and it can keep shifting and changing over time. So,

00:09:00.660 --> 00:09:14.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I guess the, the, the whole message of our quote from Abraham and not that far off from the the message from the universe about you know that it's all about perspective.

00:09:14.880 --> 00:09:27.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It's all about perspective, and I would like to say it's all really about just being present in the moment to where you are without judgment and when we can release that judgment.

00:09:29.310 --> 00:09:30.780 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Makes all the difference in the world.

00:09:32.370 --> 00:09:40.050 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So two wonderful, amazing quotes from Mike Dooley in the universe and from Abraham. I hope you've enjoyed them. I always liked them.

00:09:40.500 --> 00:09:45.240 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And now it is my absolute pleasure to welcome to the show.

00:09:45.990 --> 00:09:59.940 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: My dear friend, an amazing human being. Karen McGregor, who is a thought leader global speaker and catalyst for influencers who have a passion to create positive change in the world. She supports leaders in

00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:10.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: To master their internal environment and their external systems and processes, thereby becoming a powerful force for change. Karen is the founder of speaker success formula.

00:10:10.980 --> 00:10:15.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: A training company that has supported thousands of professionals and entrepreneurs.

00:10:15.780 --> 00:10:27.810 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Over the past decade to create and deliver powerful messages on stage. She has shared her message on stage with such luminaries as Tony Robbins Deepak Chopra john gray and David Wolfe.

00:10:28.380 --> 00:10:41.010 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Just one is no slouch her TEDx talk has been viewed by over 1 million people. Whoo, and her ideas and direct quotes have been featured on CTV NEWS Reader's Digest breakfast TV, which is in Toronto.

00:10:41.730 --> 00:10:51.150 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Canada. Happy Thanksgiving for all our Canadian friends USA Today Florida weekly and other prominent media outlets and her latest book, which is what we're talking about today.

00:10:51.390 --> 00:11:03.270 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The Tao of influence ancient wisdom for modern leaders and entrepreneurs is a Wall Street Journal bestseller. And it is my pleasure to welcome Karen to the show. How are you doing today, Karen.

00:11:04.020 --> 00:11:08.100 Karen McGregor: Thank you. I'm doing really well, Sam. Thank you so much for having me here today.

00:11:08.400 --> 00:11:12.450 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh, my pleasure. My pleasure. I'm glad we finally made this happen.

00:11:14.250 --> 00:11:17.160 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Scheduling is always like one of the trickiest things

00:11:18.570 --> 00:11:29.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: When it comes to setting up a show. Um, so, Karen, I always like to give my audience like a little bit of background start off a little bit. We don't. We just have, you know, about four minutes.

00:11:29.610 --> 00:11:41.970 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: For the first segment. So we take our break but I would love for you to just kind of give us a little bit of kind of where you started, and like what your journey was like to come to where you are today.

00:11:42.270 --> 00:11:47.850 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Like did you, you know, when you were a little girl. Would you like standing up in the classroom, giving speeches and

00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:52.740 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Bringing your friends together. So you could talk in front of them and telling them how to speak better. Wow.

00:11:53.010 --> 00:11:54.780 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What was your dream when you were a little kid.

00:11:55.650 --> 00:12:05.550 Karen McGregor: Well to two parts, I think, in regard to the speaking I had always know in internally. And I think this is true for all of us that there's

00:12:06.450 --> 00:12:17.760 Karen McGregor: A Spark or a desire WHEN WE'RE YOUNGER that shows up intermittently through our life and then often comes raging back in our 40s, 50s, 60s.

00:12:18.660 --> 00:12:34.470 Karen McGregor: And even beyond. And so that's really what happened for me when I first saw Tony Robbins on stage. I was 30 years old I have never been to any sort of event like that where there were thousands of people in the room and they were all chanting Tony's

00:12:36.750 --> 00:12:39.690 Karen McGregor: I thought, What the hell is this a cult or something, but no.

00:12:40.260 --> 00:12:48.090 Karen McGregor: It was not. It was beautiful. And I remember thinking, I'm going to be on stage with that man one day.

00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:59.400 Karen McGregor: And I had no idea how or why, or even how it came out of my mouth, but it was it was a real strong soul calling

00:13:00.090 --> 00:13:10.860 Karen McGregor: And so I listened to that. And over the years. I started to write and speak and eventually I started to train speakers, because that was so rewarding to me to help

00:13:11.190 --> 00:13:21.180 Karen McGregor: Them to be able to grow their business and become a powerful leader through their messenger met through being a messenger and having powerful messages.

00:13:22.230 --> 00:13:28.650 Karen McGregor: And so, just really quickly and in regards to the Tao of influence, which is my new book.

00:13:30.060 --> 00:13:37.320 Karen McGregor: Yeah, I really feel like I was always a type A personality very driven very goal oriented.

00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:44.880 Karen McGregor: But I was missing that internal development of the of the mystic within you know really

00:13:45.390 --> 00:14:03.420 Karen McGregor: Everything that you've just talked about, and your show conscious consultant is perfect for what we're going to talk about today, because really going internally is the answer before we ever get results from our systems, we need to look within.

00:14:05.250 --> 00:14:09.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And how long have you been an entrepreneur. Now, how long have you actually like worked for yourself.

00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:17.550 Karen McGregor: And well, I've been working for myself. Since, let me see. Oh my goodness. Probably about 17 years

00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.410 Karen McGregor: Success formula has been the last 10 years. So a decade now.

00:14:22.860 --> 00:14:25.680 Karen McGregor: Wow. Yeah. So it's been a long time.

00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:35.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Now, wow. Wonderful. Wonderful. All right, great. Um, and, and tell of influence. This isn't your first book. This is just your latest book, right.

00:14:35.670 --> 00:14:49.620 Karen McGregor: Yes, I have two other books as well. I started off with interviewing entrepreneurs about their success stories. And that was my first book and then moving on to more of drop. How do we drop from our head to our heart.

00:14:50.070 --> 00:15:03.570 Karen McGregor: That was my second book Madonna code. And now the Delve influence really supports people to use the philosophies and principles of the doubter Ching in their everyday life in business and as a leader.

00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.780 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. Wonderful. Okay. Great. Great. And that's a great

00:15:08.760 --> 00:15:26.280 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Place to to take a quick break and we come back. Let's just talk a little bit about what was sort of the, the motivation was the inspiration for the Tao of influence and then let's really dig into what it's all about, and how it can support people in our current times. Okay.

00:15:26.910 --> 00:15:28.080 Karen McGregor: Sounds good. See you.

00:15:28.140 --> 00:15:36.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. So everybody please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity we do this live every Thursday 12 noon.

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00:18:07.590 --> 00:18:13.200 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. We're speaking this

00:18:13.710 --> 00:18:25.290 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Hour with Karen McGregor, author of the new book, The Tao of influence ancient wisdom for modern leaders and entrepreneurs and obviously my loyal listeners know like a person after my own heart.

00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:27.810 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And because I'm very much into the

00:18:28.650 --> 00:18:34.800 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Bringing ancient wisdom into modern times, making it practical, making it something that people understand

00:18:35.040 --> 00:18:47.460 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Actually serves us that it's not just some old hokey stuff that like oh yeah people talked about that thousands of years ago has no relevance today and Karen actually right. It does have a lot of relevance today, doesn't it.

00:18:48.330 --> 00:18:58.920 Karen McGregor: Absolutely I you know I really feel like many of us are coming back to simplicity, coming back to what is it that really matters.

00:18:59.250 --> 00:19:12.570 Karen McGregor: And I think that the Dow speaks so beautifully to those internal elements that help us to you know get through times like this get through uncertainty get through chaos. Yeah, so it's

00:19:12.600 --> 00:19:14.190 Karen McGregor: Very important. So

00:19:14.280 --> 00:19:25.440 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious, what was it about the Dow that kind of resonated with you so much that you decided to to, you know, create this body of work around what you learn from it.

00:19:26.070 --> 00:19:43.500 Karen McGregor: Whoo. Good question. You know, many of us go through deep challenges. And I remember a period of my life where my father passed away and and i was going through a divorce, you know, a couple years after that. And I was really struggling

00:19:44.790 --> 00:19:56.460 Karen McGregor: You know, just with with all of those things. And I remember picking up the Dow and also being gifted a version of the Dow because of course there's different translations of the Dell

00:19:57.090 --> 00:20:19.140 Karen McGregor: And one of the things that I came across that has stuck with me all these years and really was the the impetus to write this book was a line that basically said that we can have challenges. And in fact, we all will have challenges. It's just a matter of time.

00:20:21.300 --> 00:20:38.040 Karen McGregor: But it's how we choose to experience those challenges and the Dow really puts forth the, the idea that what if we could have that challenge and not actually enter into

00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:52.740 Karen McGregor: The chaos of the challenge the the anxiety behind it, or whatever, it produces for you in that moment. What if we could not have that. And so what you talked about earlier. Sam is so beautiful.

00:20:53.130 --> 00:21:04.050 Karen McGregor: Looking at the perspective that we all have. Because, you know, many of us are looking at this challenge of the pandemic in one way

00:21:04.590 --> 00:21:24.120 Karen McGregor: But there is an entirely different group that may look at it a different way. So we're not all seeing the same thing through the same eyes and therefore, when the Dow. You know when when I read that I thought okay, we need to actually make this into a practical we being me.

00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:30.180 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Responsibility. Yes.

00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:41.430 Karen McGregor: Right. Yes. I need to make this into a practical version for myself in terms of how do all these beautiful ancient philosophies and wisdoms principles.

00:21:41.760 --> 00:21:56.160 Karen McGregor: How do they practically work out in my daily life because I was suffering. And so that was the beginning of this book was really looking at, okay, how can I help myself and others to do the same. Hmm.

00:21:56.190 --> 00:22:15.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful and and it's kind of interesting. Like you taking the Dow and you're applying it to something you wouldn't normally think of which is influence. So I'm curious, what was the inspiration to kind of use that particular perspective of the Tao on influencing specifically

00:22:16.230 --> 00:22:22.440 Karen McGregor: Yes, you know, as I was writing it. I thought I chuckled to myself because they knew people were going to ask me that.

00:22:24.270 --> 00:22:31.680 Karen McGregor: Because influence. You know, when we look at the dictionary term of it, it is actually related to power.

00:22:32.100 --> 00:22:43.110 Karen McGregor: And so a lot of people think of power and influence in a negative way rather than a positive way. Right. And so when we look at the

00:22:43.620 --> 00:23:02.040 Karen McGregor: The, the pillar of power in my book I have four pillars and and so I really address power first because power is what all of our decisions and every the way that we view life, everything is related to our personal power.

00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:14.460 Karen McGregor: And so how I explain that Sam is that when we're young, we have different needs that are very simple and and often we get those needs. NET met

00:23:14.820 --> 00:23:25.920 Karen McGregor: But as we get a little bit older, three, four or five years old, we realize that hey, not all of our needs are being met here. And so we try to get those needs met.

00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:37.860 Karen McGregor: In other ways than the original way. And so as soon as we choose that we can enter into what I call the shadow side of the power which is

00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:52.710 Karen McGregor: Instead of coming from our love and just, you know, being in our pure love for us. Now we're trying to manipulate the world in order to get our needs met. And so those power patterns show up as things like

00:23:53.850 --> 00:23:57.240 Karen McGregor: Controller, you know, the need to be right, the need to control

00:23:57.870 --> 00:24:09.420 Karen McGregor: Someone who withdraws from life and says, you know, I'm not voting. As an example, or I'm not not going to get involved in these conversations and just completely withdraw from life.

00:24:10.170 --> 00:24:19.170 Karen McGregor: Another example is, you know, someone who is the the righteous being like everything revolves around that person.

00:24:21.030 --> 00:24:33.330 Karen McGregor: And it's difficult. It's difficult to deal with that you know when when we're in a in a environment in a boardroom or making decisions together or a Community initiative.

00:24:33.780 --> 00:24:39.030 Karen McGregor: So I have eight different power patterns that I layout and really help people to see.

00:24:39.450 --> 00:24:52.260 Karen McGregor: Where they as well as their family members, their colleagues, where do they fit in those power patterns and and i actually develop archetypes as well. Power archetypes on my website, I talked about that.

00:24:52.710 --> 00:25:08.340 Karen McGregor: So getting back to your, you know, where does influence and dow connect when you really look deeply into the Dow. It is about proper use of power and balance of that power.

00:25:08.910 --> 00:25:33.090 Karen McGregor: And and power for me, how I describe it in the book is that it is actually our pure love force, it is the force of love, however, like I said, very early on, this becomes a shadow power pattern and it can stay with us, our entire life. If we're not conscious of it. And that's why I love your

00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:36.390 Karen McGregor: Conscious consultant. I love the name of that.

00:25:37.470 --> 00:25:37.950 Karen McGregor: Show.

00:25:39.060 --> 00:25:54.750 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Thank you. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, power, I guess you can say it's a, it's like a tool right it's like a hammer. You can use a hammer to build a house, you know, to build a bad to build anything or you can use a hammer to kill someone.

00:25:55.830 --> 00:26:09.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: The hammer itself is not inherently good or bad. It's just a tool it's neutral. The same way power, power can be used for what we would judge or consider good or evil.

00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:15.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And it's really up to us to to say, look, this is power, there's nothing inherently wrong with it.

00:26:16.110 --> 00:26:34.650 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: But it's how do we apply it. What's the intention behind it, you know, what are we coming from a place of love and connection and joy or are we coming from a place of domination and fear and lack. So it's sort of

00:26:35.670 --> 00:26:44.130 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: You know, nothing is inherently around power. It's not inherently good or bad, but it's something that is present in each of our lives.

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:57.660 Karen McGregor: Yes, and I how I often teach people about this concept, too, is that when you think about the Dell, it really is about balance. It's about maintaining balance so

00:26:58.080 --> 00:27:14.700 Karen McGregor: There's really two ways we can get off balance. And so one of them is to reach for something with the with fear and with ego behind it so we can all have goals or we can all have

00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:27.870 Karen McGregor: You know intentions, but when the agenda becomes I must get that in order for me to feel good about who I am. And so we see that in politics. We see it in

00:27:28.230 --> 00:27:47.100 Karen McGregor: Relationships, right, even in the bedroom like it's just so rampant and and so many of us are are pushing and striving and and making life hard because we have an internal belief that if we don't get that thing it means something about us.

00:27:47.550 --> 00:27:49.980 Karen McGregor: And so I say always, Sam, that

00:27:50.250 --> 00:28:01.410 Karen McGregor: I noticed so much now the the extraction mentality, I must get I must extract has hurt the earth. I mean, look at the state that we're in now.

00:28:02.790 --> 00:28:03.600 Karen McGregor: Absolutely.

00:28:03.930 --> 00:28:10.890 Karen McGregor: And now there's beautiful movies coming out about how you know extraction is not the answer. It's actually

00:28:11.130 --> 00:28:21.870 Karen McGregor: You know, we need to put things back into the soil that were there before we started tampering with it as an example. But that's a great metaphor, isn't it for us, for our life because

00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:35.850 Karen McGregor: We are if we stop becoming an extractor and really look at how we can come back into balance and and be the loving giving person that you know that were born to be

00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:45.540 Karen McGregor: I think that makes a huge difference. So the power patterns when we, when we look really vulnerable Lee and how we behave

00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:57.030 Karen McGregor: You know in our relationships. It really, really supports us to stop the extraction. Now the other way. If you know we talked about balance. So that's one way.

00:28:57.390 --> 00:29:06.450 Karen McGregor: The other way is to back away, like I said back away from life. So that means I'm not getting involved in anything. I'm not going to speak up when I should

00:29:06.840 --> 00:29:20.880 Karen McGregor: I'm not going to take action to support what I really believe I'm just going to stay quiet and not do not do a thing and that's everybody's prerogative. However, I'm talking to leaders in my book.

00:29:22.020 --> 00:29:32.880 Karen McGregor: Asking them really to watch also watch that because they take you out of your equilibrium of your true power. Hmm.

00:29:33.120 --> 00:29:43.110 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. So it sounds like what you're saying is there's this given take right and that for a system to be sustainable.

00:29:43.650 --> 00:29:53.490 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right. You can't just pull out of the system. You have to feed the system as well and that system can be our bodies, the environment, our economy could be anything.

00:29:54.120 --> 00:30:06.660 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And by looking at these these ancient teachings, they really give us sort of guidelines of how to think about things. How to show up how to be present in a way

00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:15.480 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: In our lives where we can be more mindful, we can be more aware of that, given take

00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:25.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And and how to create that balance between what we're putting into and what we're taking out of because the other thing too is, is if we're always GIVING GIVING GIVING GIVING

00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:39.150 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Then we're depleting ourselves. And then we're not able to show up in a good way. But, but if we're filling ourselves up so that then we can give more than it's a sustainable relationship isn't it.

00:30:40.020 --> 00:30:51.540 Karen McGregor: Yes, and I always ask people to come back to the question, you know. Am I doing this out of love or am I somehow afraid that if I don't do it.

00:30:52.050 --> 00:30:58.680 Karen McGregor: I will be a bad person, or I won't be worthy or won't be smarter. I won't be enough in some way.

00:30:59.100 --> 00:31:06.510 Karen McGregor: And so I would suggest that sometimes yes I talk about the martyr pattern. You know that we give, give, give.

00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:16.230 Karen McGregor: But the giving is with a fear underneath that if we don't do those things, then somehow we're not enough or we will be judged.

00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:33.420 Karen McGregor: So there's a lot of underlying fears that come into some of these patterns which again take us out of balance. We all want to be loving giving beautiful people, but we can be thrown out of balance. If we don't understand our motives.

00:31:33.690 --> 00:31:44.340 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Right, right, right. Yeah, especially when we're trying to prove ourselves right we're grasping we're grabbing toward something. Okay, it's time for us to take another break when we come back.

00:31:45.390 --> 00:31:55.620 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Actually, I'd love to know what is your intention behind the book. What are you hoping people will actually get out of the Tao of influence and and so like

00:31:56.070 --> 00:32:03.330 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Like how do you know when you've achieved that. Like what, what if people said about it that help you to feel like people are getting it. Okay.

00:32:04.110 --> 00:32:05.280 Karen McGregor: Absolutely, yes.

00:32:05.610 --> 00:32:22.560 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Awesome. Wonderful. So everybody please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm eastern time right here on talk radio dot NYC and on Facebook Live and we will be right back after this

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00:34:49.140 --> 00:35:06.720 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Welcome back to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. I see sanai our loyal listener on the Facebook Live says I create different written manifestos that I recite to myself and reconstruct depending on what goes on in my life around me constantly. It helps me to balance.

00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:08.220 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Under false and I

00:35:08.520 --> 00:35:11.520 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I love that. That's a great practice, create a manifesto.

00:35:12.720 --> 00:35:17.040 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So we're talking with Karen McGregor, author of the book The Tao of influence. Hold it up for audience again.

00:35:17.430 --> 00:35:17.850 Karen McGregor: Yeah.

00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:19.770 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I don't have a copy here so

00:35:21.060 --> 00:35:22.890 Karen McGregor: Beautiful cover. Yeah. Thank you.

00:35:23.310 --> 00:35:33.960 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I'm some curious, what was your and I know sometimes not always when we start the book. But when we finished the book as I'm like just finished my first book recently.

00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:43.680 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And you hold it in your hands. It's like, what is it that you really hope people will get from the book. What's the intention behind it. How, how are you hoping it will serve people

00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:53.190 Karen McGregor: Well, I had two intentions. One is, how will it serve the world. And then how will it serve people personally

00:35:53.850 --> 00:36:03.060 Karen McGregor: So I in terms of how it will serve the world. I really believe that when we can come back to these principles that we talked about earlier.

00:36:04.020 --> 00:36:24.390 Karen McGregor: We, we become influence. We don't need to do anything specific to be influential. It's actually who we are inside. In other words, we have no agenda other than to genuinely support the earth support the planet support human beings.

00:36:25.410 --> 00:36:34.350 Karen McGregor: And we come back to that original beauty of children really which is we are in our essence, we don't need to

00:36:35.190 --> 00:36:54.120 Karen McGregor: Strive because we, we have to prove something to ourselves or to other people. And so when we come back to that balance, I believe that that essential nature is what will change the world, it will it will shift on a big global level.

00:36:54.600 --> 00:37:05.820 Karen McGregor: And that's what I'm really passionate about on the personal level, and really passionate to support people to come back into presence through

00:37:06.330 --> 00:37:16.770 Karen McGregor: Understanding these power patterns and how to start to dismantle those patterns. And so that's really a big portion of the first half of the book.

00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:25.650 Karen McGregor: Where I thought if I could help people to understand this and begin to live it with, you know, live in, in the presence

00:37:26.370 --> 00:37:34.530 Karen McGregor: By dealing with this, then I've done my job. And actually, it's wonderful. Sam that you asked me about people's comments so far.

00:37:35.130 --> 00:37:44.040 Karen McGregor: Because they said, you know, I've never thought about my daily reality in this way until you pointed it out.

00:37:44.520 --> 00:38:05.580 Karen McGregor: And now I can see course, people always see other people's patterns before they see their own but not only can I see my own, but now I see what's happening in my house. What's happening in the boardroom. And I understand it much better. So I, I love that. That's, that's wonderful. Cool.

00:38:06.120 --> 00:38:09.690 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I want to ask you about the four piece of influence. But first, I just want to ask you.

00:38:11.130 --> 00:38:18.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: What do you feel is the hardest part about somebody shifting and individuals shifting their relationship to power.

00:38:19.410 --> 00:38:36.150 Karen McGregor: Mm hmm. Yes, the most difficult part is the habits have to be created. So when you are the witness to your thoughts when you're the witness to your behaviors, your witness to your emotions.

00:38:36.660 --> 00:38:46.170 Karen McGregor: It takes practice. So a lot of people say start with yoga and meditation, because it helps to bring you back and bring bring your awareness.

00:38:47.130 --> 00:39:00.000 Karen McGregor: However, it's only one part of what will contribute to change because we all know people who meditate and then they fly off the handle and they're aggressive. The rest of the day. Right.

00:39:04.950 --> 00:39:08.040 Karen McGregor: So it is about establishing the

00:39:09.090 --> 00:39:15.180 Karen McGregor: habits that allow us to then finally come back to. Oh, okay.

00:39:15.660 --> 00:39:31.830 Karen McGregor: This is what I'm playing out right now. Oh, okay. You know, this is what I'm thinking right now I see where it's coming from the fear and I'm going to choose to disengage. Now I have all sorts of ways in which to support people through that in my book.

00:39:33.510 --> 00:39:49.530 Karen McGregor: And I think this is, you know, this is a critical time in history to finally get out of the matrix of the illusion that we're in that we're all in this fearful fear based perception of ourselves, others in the world.

00:39:50.070 --> 00:39:56.370 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, absolutely. I think things are highlighted now more in today's environment than ever before.

00:39:57.720 --> 00:40:04.230 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So let's, let's talk about influence in the book. You mentioned that there were four Ps of influence. What are those four P's.

00:40:04.530 --> 00:40:13.410 Karen McGregor: So we started with power. That's the first one and the most foundational piece. So that's why we spend a lot of time on that in the book.

00:40:13.860 --> 00:40:27.900 Karen McGregor: And then we move to presence, which we touched upon as well. And the reason that presence is after the pillar of power is because it's almost impossible.

00:40:28.350 --> 00:40:41.460 Karen McGregor: Even if you do yoga and meditation to be fully present to life to to to others to the world. It's, it's almost impossible if you don't have your power patterns.

00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:54.810 Karen McGregor: worked through because the shadow piece will always pull you back to the past or launch you into the future in such a way that you're not actually here. Hmm.

00:40:55.350 --> 00:40:56.550 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Gotcha, gotcha.

00:40:57.420 --> 00:40:58.320 Karen McGregor: Beautiful. Yes.

00:41:01.140 --> 00:41:02.310 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Just, just quickly before

00:41:03.240 --> 00:41:04.500 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Before the next two peas.

00:41:04.770 --> 00:41:24.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Oh yeah, one of my teachers likes to say that true presence is power that actually the more present. You can be the more power you can have because the more you're aware of everything going on around you. So in a way, they kind of reinforce each other. Don't say

00:41:25.290 --> 00:41:33.030 Karen McGregor: Absolutely, yes. And so what what I love to say is that that as soon as we really work through our power.

00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:47.280 Karen McGregor: All of a sudden, the presence appears because we're now in our love power not are not the fear and the hidden agendas and all the things that are underneath our behaviors and thoughts. Yeah.

00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.000 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, okay. Beautiful. Beautiful. Okay. Power presence.

00:41:51.060 --> 00:41:53.490 Karen McGregor: What are the last night. So the purpose

00:41:53.820 --> 00:42:04.800 Karen McGregor: Purpose is I really look at two types of purpose. One is what many people think of as what, what should I do next, what is my

00:42:05.190 --> 00:42:15.300 Karen McGregor: Calling. What is my vocation. What should I really be doing with my life, and that is it. It's a type of purpose. That's very important to most of us.

00:42:15.630 --> 00:42:30.810 Karen McGregor: And so I talked about how when you are present to you to whatever it is that's right in front of you. It's much easier to be able to tap into your guidance, your intuition.

00:42:31.470 --> 00:42:48.150 Karen McGregor: To have great relationships with people that allow you to unfold. Your purpose so many people want someone else to tell them what their purpose is. But I, I, you know, in the book, I talk about presence and

00:42:48.630 --> 00:43:05.520 Karen McGregor: And and power informing our purpose and and so sometimes we push and we cajole and we try to get something. And when we finally get it. Have you ever had that experience semi you finally get in, you think, what was that all about

00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.290 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:34.620 Karen McGregor: Yeah, and I interviewed a number of people, notably in this particular segment this particular pillar Mathew Knowles who is beyond SES father and he, you know, even before beyond say was born. He's been a serial entrepreneur, his whole life, and he talked about how

00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:36.420 Karen McGregor: He

00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:47.640 Karen McGregor: Originally when he started he always felt bad if he had to fire someone you know if he had to let go of someone but he said that over time. He realized that

00:43:48.330 --> 00:43:59.520 Karen McGregor: He was doing them a favor because he's actually supporting them to say, this is not your purpose. This is not what you're meant for, you know, this is what I see in you.

00:44:00.060 --> 00:44:10.410 Karen McGregor: And it's a beautiful thing. And you know, I encourage you to pursue that. But this is not your journey. And so I think if we have that, you know,

00:44:11.550 --> 00:44:23.040 Karen McGregor: Sort of courage to share that with people, but also the opposite. If we see someone who is really brilliant in a certain area, we might say, wow.

00:44:23.670 --> 00:44:32.940 Karen McGregor: That that thing that you just said or did you that look more into that because that's, you know, that's a sign of your purpose. And so for leaders.

00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:51.330 Karen McGregor: We're always looking for opportunities to affirm people's to purpose because we there's, you know, and my partner included, you know, he's a really gifted financial advisor, but is it his purpose. No, it's not.

00:44:52.080 --> 00:44:59.070 Karen McGregor: And so our job doesn't always need to be our purpose, but often it's more rewarding. If it can be, you know,

00:44:59.160 --> 00:45:03.360 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: It's lined up. If it's lined up in some way and we feel like we're living our purpose.

00:45:03.690 --> 00:45:12.900 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Because we just spend so much time at work. So it's good but but lots of times people their, their work is just how they pay the bills and then their real purpose shows up.

00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:27.600 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: In in how they volunteer or what do they do afterwards. Or maybe it's in their family or whatever. So let's hold it there. I want to save the fourth P for when we come back from this last break. I can't believe it's like, time flies. I could talk to you for hours.

00:45:28.560 --> 00:45:34.020 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So we'll have to have you come back, I'm sure you're going to write more books. Our next book will have you come back again. Okay.

00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:46.410 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So everybody please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity, we've been speaking this hour to Karen McGregor, author of the new book, The Tao of influence and we're going to be right back after this

00:45:47.550 --> 00:45:50.760 Listening to talk radio NYC.

00:48:05.040 --> 00:48:16.530 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. We're speaking with Karen McGregor thought Lieber global speaker and author of the new book, The Dow of influence and fellow

00:48:16.830 --> 00:48:31.290 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Evolutionary business council member see my folks know like when I bring somebody on from the BBC. They mix such great guests. All right, we don't have a lot of time left in the last segment. So let's just go right into it. What's the last of the four P's of influence.

00:48:32.250 --> 00:48:43.440 Karen McGregor: So the last piece is potential and for everyone listening, you know, that was really an overused word about a decade ago, everybody was talking about potential right

00:48:44.490 --> 00:49:02.880 Karen McGregor: However, when it comes to the Dow. What I really realized was when we work with our power patterns and we become present and we tune into our own deepest purpose which by the way the deepest purpose is simply to love.

00:49:04.200 --> 00:49:14.040 Karen McGregor: We talked about other types of purpose, but the the bigger purpose is for all of us to learn to love and that when we get into that state.

00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:27.060 Karen McGregor: Then we can do what I call potential is becoming the mystic and the activist. You're merging your mysticism and you're merging your activism. So you are

00:49:27.930 --> 00:49:35.730 Karen McGregor: Doing what you need to do in the world, whatever that is, is what I call the activist that you're passionately doing what you need to do in the world.

00:49:36.330 --> 00:49:50.070 Karen McGregor: And you're doing it with the blend of the mystic, so you're bringing those two together and that is what I call true potential many people in the past used to talk about potential

00:49:50.430 --> 00:50:00.510 Karen McGregor: From only one side, you know, how can we be more productive, you know, or more creative or or meet our goals faster and quicker.

00:50:00.990 --> 00:50:16.200 Karen McGregor: But none of that means anything if you don't actually have the other side of the mystic. And so bringing those together is what I consider to be our new hope for humanity. Mm hmm.

00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:20.520 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely. Oh, absolutely. And it's interesting because I find that

00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:34.680 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Even during this crazy time. And actually, especially during this crazy time, more and more people are waking up to the fact that, like the same old materialistic Go go go kind of attitude.

00:50:35.490 --> 00:50:42.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Actually does not is not fulfilling it doesn't feed their soul and they're actually waking up to like

00:50:42.630 --> 00:50:56.550 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Even if they're not quote unquote becoming mystics, but their understanding that relationships are more important our health, the environment and the interrelatedness of everything. So, even some of these mystic type

00:50:57.450 --> 00:51:16.770 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Patterns or thoughts or habits are kind of getting ingrained to those who are open to it, just by the sheer nature of how we're facing something as a global community and not just, you know, it's not just something affecting some people far away from us. It's affecting all of us.

00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:25.800 Karen McGregor: Yes, and I believe well said. By the way, I love that. And the word that you used that I want to speak about is opening

00:51:26.310 --> 00:51:28.230 Karen McGregor: You know, we really are.

00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:37.170 Karen McGregor: Opening to a new level of understanding. And when I think of a mystic I think of what are we opening to

00:51:37.620 --> 00:51:45.270 Karen McGregor: We're opening to love. We're opening to connection, you know, with the divine with the earth with with others.

00:51:45.870 --> 00:51:53.640 Karen McGregor: Always think of St. Francis because I wrote my book in Assisi, Italy and the vast majority of it was written there over over the

00:51:54.420 --> 00:52:06.660 Karen McGregor: Years. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, St. Francis, he, he kind of shirked all the, the, the stuff that was going on with the Roman Catholic community in terms of all the

00:52:07.140 --> 00:52:30.210 Karen McGregor: The, the greed and the, you know, just trying to acquire things. And so I really thought this is a perfect place for me to write my book because he really thought more deeply. What does it mean to be, you know, a mystic in in in a world where people are so materialistic

00:52:31.020 --> 00:52:43.470 Karen McGregor: And so I think all of us are actually having that seed of opening that we no longer have to extract in order to have a beautiful life. But what is it deep inside

00:52:43.770 --> 00:52:57.780 Karen McGregor: That really wants to come forth and I think that's the part to that. Why I loved writing my book is, I believe that it helps people to bring forth that that that quality or that essence that

00:52:58.410 --> 00:53:05.100 Karen McGregor: Is wanting to come forth, but maybe there's a bit of you know hesitancy or confusion or that kind of thing. So

00:53:05.490 --> 00:53:06.870 Karen McGregor: Yeah, opening is a

00:53:06.900 --> 00:53:09.330 Karen McGregor: Powerful word I feel right now. Yeah.

00:53:09.450 --> 00:53:23.580 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. Um, I'm just curious in the process in the three years it took you to write this book was there something about what you discovered in writing the book that surprised you

00:53:25.230 --> 00:53:25.710 Karen McGregor: Oh,

00:53:27.090 --> 00:53:44.880 Karen McGregor: I think the biggest discovery for me was when I completed the writing of the book, the pandemic had had started had started and I really realized, wow.

00:53:46.080 --> 00:53:51.930 Karen McGregor: What's happening in the world with uncertainty with chaos with, you know,

00:53:53.040 --> 00:54:01.230 Karen McGregor: Two groups as an example with vaccinations, you know, pitting pitting against the or sometimes even like outright hatred.

00:54:02.550 --> 00:54:12.150 Karen McGregor: And all of these things that are happening is, is really, if we can come back to the principles in my book I realized we just have to

00:54:12.600 --> 00:54:23.310 Karen McGregor: Live out those principles, even in the worst of times there's still the strongest way in which we can think behave, you know, observe and

00:54:23.730 --> 00:54:36.300 Karen McGregor: And so I think my biggest realization was that for myself, letting go, letting go and allowing was really important because as a speaker.

00:54:36.690 --> 00:54:47.460 Karen McGregor: And, you know, people say, How are you doing, you know, you loved speaking live and and I haven't been on a live stage since, you know, end of February.

00:54:47.970 --> 00:55:02.430 Karen McGregor: And and so all those things, the love, the vocation. How has it shifted. For many of us, you know, how are we ever going to get back to certain things that we used to absolutely love doing.

00:55:03.300 --> 00:55:13.650 Karen McGregor: And so I found myself quite stressed, as many of us did in March and I realized, Okay. KAREN You wrote the book.

00:55:18.270 --> 00:55:29.220 Karen McGregor: You better live it. And so, um, so that's the thing is we we have to come back to a commitment to living that way, regardless of the external circumstances.

00:55:30.420 --> 00:55:39.840 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: All right, we're almost at the end of the show, I'd be remiss if I didn't give you an opportunity, Karen. If people want to find out more about you get the book, where can they go, what do they do.

00:55:40.170 --> 00:55:53.250 Karen McGregor: Yes. So there's two ways to do it. If you go to Karen mcgregor.com not only can you have an opportunity to purchase the book there and get lots of beautiful gifts.

00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:58.590 Karen McGregor: There's also an opportunity to discover your power archetype.

00:55:59.100 --> 00:56:10.170 Karen McGregor: And that's a, that's a free report that you get you fill it out and you get a report back about your power archetypes. So that's a gift that I want to give everybody on Karen McGregor calm.

00:56:10.740 --> 00:56:21.450 Karen McGregor: If you choose if you're an Amazon type person and you want to order the book through Amazon. You certainly can do that as well, wherever you are in the world. It's available on Amazon.

00:56:22.650 --> 00:56:33.360 Karen McGregor: However, you don't get the gifts included on Amazon, you would get them on my website. Karen mcgregor.com MCG. Gotcha. Yes.

00:56:33.600 --> 00:56:51.090 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: So that's caring k r e n MC GR EA G O r.com and the link is in our newsletter. If you haven't gotten the newsletter and we'll make sure it's posted when we post the show on the website last question before we sign off is are you working on another book already

00:56:51.450 --> 00:56:56.850 Karen McGregor: Yeah, for another actually in January. I'm going to take a seven day retreat.

00:56:57.240 --> 00:56:59.190 Karen McGregor: And I'm going to focus on

00:57:00.210 --> 00:57:04.980 Karen McGregor: What is coming out for the next book I always say that the book writes me I don't write

00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:05.370 Yeah.

00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:16.860 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Exactly, exactly. Well Karen, thank you so much for coming on the show today and taking time out of your schedule. It's been a pleasure to have you as always it's wonderful to connect. Thank you so much.

00:57:17.520 --> 00:57:18.210 Karen McGregor: Thank you, Sam.

00:57:18.810 --> 00:57:24.810 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Thank you. And of course, thank you to all my loyal listeners out there who are tuning in, whether you're tuning in live

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00:57:36.630 --> 00:57:48.540 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: I think under audible they're doing podcasts that were listed there. Now, as well. Thank you so much. If you've enjoyed the show, please share it with your friends, please don't keep us the best kept secret. Get us out there, and stay tuned for

00:57:49.020 --> 00:57:52.830 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: Coming on right after our show. It's ken foster in his show voices of courage.

00:57:53.160 --> 00:58:06.630 Sam Liebowitz, The Conscious Consultant: followed later this afternoon with Antonia and her show now, you know, and this evening.  Graham Dobbin with his show the mind behind leadership. Thank you all for tuning in. We will talk to you next week.

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