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2020/10/13 - Protests and Activism in NYC

[NEW EPISODE] Protests and Activism in NYC

On this week’s show we will explore the City’s history of protests and activism, and the people who have propelled social change from the 1600’s to today.

 My guests will be Sarah Seidman, Puffin Foundation Curator of Social Activism at the Museum of the City of New York and curator of the museum’s present exhibition “Activist New York”, and Sean Corcoran, Curator of Prints and Photographs at the Museum.

Tune in for this fascinating conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Jeff introduces his first guest Sarah Seidman, the Puffin Foundation Curator of Social Activism at the Museum of the City of New York and curator of the museum’s present exhibition “Activist New York.” Sarah begins by talking about being born in Boston and moving to New York when she was young. Jeff asks when she decided to make curating her calling. Sarah talks about her interest in social justice and history, being instrumental in her career path. She then talks about getting her Ph. D. and how she joined the Museum of New York staff. Jeff asks Sarah about the exhibit “Activist New York.” and she talks about her additions to it. Jeff then asks how long activism has been part of New York History and Sarah runs down some important demonstrations and movements early in the city's history. This leads Jeff to talk about the Flushing Remonstrance and a petition before it. Sarah begins talking about Loyalist protests in the Revolutionary War-era New York. Now talking about civil war history, Jeff and Sarah talk about the strong abolitionist movement in New York and how New York emancipated all slaves in 1827.   

Segment 2

Jeff asks Sarah about some of the museum’s efforts to curate the museum online as a way to create more content during the pandemic. Jeff and Sarah talk about anti-immigrant activism very early on in the city’s history and how the Dutch settlers were not keen on letting others in. Jeff then asks about prohibition and whether there was pro-prohibition activism in the city. They discuss economic activism in New York and the museum’s exhibit on the workers of the city and their causes. Sarah moves on to the museum section that goes over the burning of the South Bronx in the 1970s and how the community activists fought to rebuild their neighborhood. Jeff asks Sarah about how New Yorkers have been at the forefront of reproductive rights activism and the history of abortion laws in New York. Sarah brings up important figures who have fought to protect women’s reproductive rights in New York. Jeff then asks Sarah about some of the transgender activism that has gone on in the city, starting with the Stonewall Uprising in 1969. Jeff ends by asking Sarah about the section of Activist New York about the Black Lives Matter movement.   

Segment 3

 Jeff introduces his next guest Sean Corcoran, Curator of Prints and Photographs at the Museum of the City of New York. Sean begins by talking about his professional journey, which leads him to become a curator of photography. Sean mentions having a love of photography from a young age and becoming interested in curating when visiting a museum. Sean brings up George Eastman, the founder of Kodak, and responsible for the photos’ delivery mechanism. Jeff asks Sean when he joined the museum and how his prior experience at the Eastman Museum. They then go on to discuss the exhibits Sean has curated and what makes the photos at the museum so unique. Jeff asks if Sean has helped identify Activist New York photos, and Sean talks about his experience helping out with all the exhibits photos. 

Segment 4

Jeff asks Sean how he decides what photos are used in the exhibition. Sean mentions how the chosen images are dependent on the exhibition and which photos best match the tone. Jeff asks Sean about Sean’s current project which shows the experiences of photographers during the COVID-19 pandemic. Jeff asks about the museum’s current exhibition and the types of material to bring into the exhibit. He then asks Sean if he ever curates photos outside of the museum. For his final question, Jeff asks Sean about his personal favorite photographs. Sean talks about a picture of punk icon Sid Vicious and a picture of John Lennon and Yoko Ono taken in the city.


00:00:31.350 --> 00:00:41.400 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone. Welcome to our listeners in the Big Apple from across the western around the world. I'm Jeff good men and you've tuned into rediscovering New York

00:00:42.090 --> 00:00:48.900 Jeff Goodman: Professionally, I'm a real estate broker with that brown Harris Stevens, but as all of you know I love this city and I love bringing this program to you.

00:00:49.650 --> 00:00:54.540 Jeff Goodman: rediscovering New York is a weekly show about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city.

00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:05.070 Jeff Goodman: And we do it through interviews with historians curators local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists local musicians and artists and the occasional elected official

00:01:06.060 --> 00:01:13.560 Jeff Goodman: On some shows we focus on an individual New York neighborhood exploring its history and its current energy. What makes that particular New York neighborhoods special

00:01:14.370 --> 00:01:22.410 Jeff Goodman: We also have other shows like tonight's where we talk about an interesting and vital color the city and its history. That's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:23.220 --> 00:01:31.560 Jeff Goodman: In prior episodes. You've heard topics as diverse as American presidents who came from New York, the history of women activists in the women's suffrage movement in the city.

00:01:32.250 --> 00:01:36.780 Jeff Goodman: We've talked about the history of African Americans in the city. Going back to the time of the Dutch actually

00:01:37.500 --> 00:01:46.950 Jeff Goodman: We've covered the history of the city's LGBT community in the gay rights movement, we've explored the histories of bicycles and even talked about the history of punk and Opera.

00:01:47.700 --> 00:01:54.540 Jeff Goodman: We have visited some of our greatest train stations and even some of our bridges and yes, New York has fabulous bridges, as well as great everything else.

00:01:55.410 --> 00:02:09.780 Jeff Goodman: After the broadcast each show is available on podcast. You can catch us on Apple Spotify SoundCloud Stitcher and other services. Tonight we're doing one of those special shows and as it is election time and people are passionate about.

00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.270 Jeff Goodman: Their views and about feelings and about issues affecting our country and also our world.

00:02:15.780 --> 00:02:29.880 Jeff Goodman: I thought I would devote this episode to exploring the history of New York as a place where people have been activists and where people protests and boy do we have a colorful and rich history that even extends to the present day in this amazing city.

00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:39.090 Jeff Goodman: My first guest is returning guest to rediscovering New York and I'm so glad she's a returning guest. That's such a great time when Sarah was on on the first show

00:02:39.570 --> 00:02:46.680 Jeff Goodman: I'm talking about Sarah sidemen Sarah is the puffin foundation curator of social activism at the Museum of the City of New York.

00:02:47.430 --> 00:02:52.530 Jeff Goodman: She curates the ongoing exhibition activists, New York, which by the way we're going to be talking about at length this evening.

00:02:53.460 --> 00:02:57.090 Jeff Goodman: It explores nearly 400 years of activists history in the city.

00:02:57.990 --> 00:03:10.380 Jeff Goodman: Sarah salsa curated the exhibitions beyond suffrage. A Century of New York women in politics and also co curated pride photographs of stone wall and beyond by Fred W mcdarrah and King in New York.

00:03:11.160 --> 00:03:20.040 Jeff Goodman: Dr. Simon holds a PhD in American Studies and a Master of Arts and public humanities from brown and a BA in American Studies from Wesleyan University.

00:03:20.910 --> 00:03:26.940 Jeff Goodman: She has received fellowships from the University of Rochester NYU and the American Council of learning societies.

00:03:27.390 --> 00:03:41.490 Jeff Goodman: And her writing has appeared in The Journal of trans National American Studies radical history review and the 16th. Journal of history. Politics and Culture, among other places, Sarah, a hearty welcome back to rediscovering New York

00:03:42.270 --> 00:03:45.540 Sarah Seidman: Thank you so much. Thank you, Jeff, thanks. Thanks for having me back.

00:03:46.410 --> 00:03:47.640 Jeff Goodman: Are you originally from New York.

00:03:49.440 --> 00:03:57.480 Sarah Seidman: I grew up in Boston and but before you, you know, shut the program off. I come from a long line of of New Yorkers.

00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:13.470 Sarah Seidman: And both, you know, myself and my brother actually fled back here as soon as we could. So I now live in the Lower East Side where, you know, my great grandparents moved to emigrated over a century ago. So

00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:16.470 Sarah Seidman: I will claim, I will clean the room.

00:04:17.910 --> 00:04:20.700 Jeff Goodman: That's great. Well, you know, and the Lower East Side is filled with

00:04:21.390 --> 00:04:29.670 Jeff Goodman: History actually next week's show we're going to be talking about immigrants in New York, but we're also going to have a segment on the Henry street settlement, which is in the Lower East Side.

00:04:29.970 --> 00:04:35.280 Jeff Goodman: And a little history that we share a migrate cram several of my great grandparents.

00:04:35.820 --> 00:04:41.520 Jeff Goodman: lived on the Lower East Side when they, when they first got off the boat and others lived in Little Italy, which is just across the battery from Lori side.

00:04:42.150 --> 00:04:53.070 Jeff Goodman: Um, when did you decide that you would go into curating which actually is a little bit different from what many historians do. When did you decide the curating was going to be something that was your calling.

00:04:55.050 --> 00:05:06.840 Sarah Seidman: I'd always been interested in like visual art and and also social justice really as a force propelling me into into history. So I think the opportunity to combine those

00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:15.360 Sarah Seidman: Through this position at the museum in the city of New York and other projects that I was interested in. I guess in grad school, but

00:05:16.110 --> 00:05:33.090 Sarah Seidman: It wasn't so much like one decision, but a realization that that was a possibility so i i tell other folks, considering you know just to be open to different possibilities and and see what happens. But I couldn't feel more, you know, lucky and grateful that this is where I ended up

00:05:33.900 --> 00:05:45.150 Jeff Goodman: So you have a PhD in history when, when did you actually, when does one decide that you want to go into curating. Is it. Did you do it while you were getting going for your PhD. Did it happen afterwards.

00:05:45.780 --> 00:06:00.150 Sarah Seidman: Right so PhD in American Studies and I did this degree as part of that PhD in public, humanities, which is all about public history, but also museum studies. So I was definitely interested in it in grad school on the program. I went to

00:06:00.960 --> 00:06:20.640 Sarah Seidman: That that that program was part of the reason I went, um, but then it was really you know i i applied for, you know, for teaching jobs, too. And just saw where the path led me so um yeah uh keeping keeping doors open, but but it was always an interest of mine, I would say.

00:06:21.780 --> 00:06:24.960 Jeff Goodman: When did you join the staff at the Museum of the City of New York.

00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:26.820 20 2014

00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:39.450 Jeff Goodman: That brings us to New York into activism. But before I start asking about particular questions and I'm really intrigued by this. Do you want to talk a little bit about the exhibition activist New York in the background for it.

00:06:40.350 --> 00:06:54.660 Sarah Seidman: Sure. So it actually predates me the show opened in 2012 and is really made possible by the puffin Foundation, which

00:06:55.560 --> 00:07:03.600 Sarah Seidman: You know, funded the pub and donation gallery for social activism on the second floor of the museum. So

00:07:04.020 --> 00:07:12.090 Sarah Seidman: Will be, you know, exploring issues of activism and that gallery for years to come. And this was the inaugural show that has

00:07:12.510 --> 00:07:20.160 Sarah Seidman: That was meant to be ongoing and has evolved over time. So it looks. It's like an overview on activist histories in New York City.

00:07:20.490 --> 00:07:31.170 Sarah Seidman: From more or less the 1600s through today covering a lot of ground, of course, not doing everything. And it's, it takes the form of 14 different case studies.

00:07:31.470 --> 00:07:41.970 Sarah Seidman: And those case studies change over time because about two thirds of change. We've changed since I started at the museum, so that's

00:07:42.690 --> 00:07:58.530 Sarah Seidman: Yeah, that's the the show covers you know themes of economic justice through like the labor movement and civil rights and gender and sexuality and religion and environmental activism and immigration, so

00:07:59.490 --> 00:08:13.050 Sarah Seidman: The themes kind of remain the same and and we and we put a spotlight on different issues over time because there's so many stories you know that that we could tell, and having an ongoing and evolving gallery also allows us

00:08:13.320 --> 00:08:18.510 Sarah Seidman: To tell stories about pretty much the present. So we just put in new pieces.

00:08:19.050 --> 00:08:37.350 Sarah Seidman: On in our final section on the movement for Black Lives, which we installed in 2017 but just add a new materials there to reflect what's going on now. So it kind of, you know, it allows us to to make new additions all the time as as these histories and stories change themselves.

00:08:37.980 --> 00:08:45.240 Jeff Goodman: Well that's great to have a permanent exhibition for something that's so important to the lifeblood of the city, but have it be a living, breathing thing where you

00:08:45.630 --> 00:08:49.710 Jeff Goodman: You know you evolve it think you know this new stuff that you want to add and then

00:08:50.130 --> 00:09:03.360 Jeff Goodman: That is very relevant to the times and we are going to talk about Black Lives Matter, a little bit later, but I do want to do this a little bit chronologically. Um, how long has activism and how and protest been part of life in this place that we live in.

00:09:05.400 --> 00:09:21.660 Sarah Seidman: I'd like to think more or less since the beginning. But I think it's taken different forms, not always a protest or demonstrations that that we see now and that we're used to. Now, I think those are more a function of

00:09:22.680 --> 00:09:30.450 Sarah Seidman: Maybe the not so much the 20th century, BUT LIKE LATE 19th turn into the 20th century.

00:09:31.140 --> 00:09:44.760 Sarah Seidman: You know, like the first Labor Day kind of parade is 1882 and I know there's some early like anarchist demonstrations and right we can talk more about those. But I think even earlier, there's definitely forms of

00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:49.830 Sarah Seidman: Of activism one that we highlight at the beginning of the show is

00:09:50.550 --> 00:10:00.300 Sarah Seidman: The flushing remonstrance which was a petition by allies of Quakers who were asked to leave the colony, because there were strict sort of religious

00:10:00.660 --> 00:10:08.940 Sarah Seidman: Parameters of who could physically be in the Dutch colony after they arrived. Of course, there were indigenous

00:10:09.570 --> 00:10:16.230 Sarah Seidman: People living here before then. And there was resistance on on their part, for sure. Although we

00:10:17.100 --> 00:10:32.370 Sarah Seidman: You know, I, I'd love to be able to to delve into more documentation about that but we highlight highlight the flushing remonstrance which is a very early like petition calling for their quicker, you know, neighbors, to be able to remain and

00:10:32.760 --> 00:10:34.470 Jeff Goodman: That was in the 60s 50s, wasn't it

00:10:34.860 --> 00:10:47.220 Sarah Seidman: Yes 1657 I believe so. So that's like a and that's why we chose because I think was one of the earliest like known petitions, you know in in that kind of format.

00:10:48.120 --> 00:11:02.640 Sarah Seidman: And of course right there's things like the Boston Tea Party in New York. There's definitely some transgressive behavior around the you know the war, the Revolutionary War. Although New Yorkers.

00:11:03.450 --> 00:11:15.780 Sarah Seidman: I think in some ways more for the like pro British sentiment. So there's always been a lot of different sides in New York for sure. And that's something that we

00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:27.000 Sarah Seidman: Explore in the show as well. So another early example that's come up in the past, not so much in the exhibit, but in the accompanying book also for the show by Stephen Jaffe

00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:44.640 Sarah Seidman: And they, we talked about the zinger trial which was an early moment around free speech. So I think through like legal means and you know interactions between citizens or residents and the state, you do see well we I would term forms of activism, even if it

00:11:46.110 --> 00:11:48.450 Sarah Seidman: You know, our demonstrations those maybe

00:11:48.450 --> 00:11:49.680 Sarah Seidman: Start a little bit later.

00:11:50.070 --> 00:11:57.600 Jeff Goodman: Well, actually there was something before the the flushing remonstrance which and I don't remember if a petition was made to the States General in

00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:03.180 Jeff Goodman: The Hague, or to the Dutch East India Company, but a couple of years before that there were

00:12:04.050 --> 00:12:12.090 Jeff Goodman: Some Jews who were living in who arrived here sort of unexpectedly and Stuyvesant didn't want them Peter Stuyvesant didn't want them and

00:12:12.390 --> 00:12:18.810 Jeff Goodman: They petition back home and I don't remember if it was the Dutch East India Company or if it was the Estates General that told Stuyvesant, you know,

00:12:19.350 --> 00:12:28.560 Jeff Goodman: You have to let them stay and so that actually predated about the the remonstrance by a couple of years to we know if there was any you mentioned

00:12:29.430 --> 00:12:37.050 Jeff Goodman: The New York version of the Boston Tea Party to we know if there was any kind of activism or protests that would have been Loyalist at the time the revolution.

00:12:39.210 --> 00:12:48.180 Sarah Seidman: Yes i i think that there was. And I know there are folks, you know, we're working on that, on that topic and

00:12:49.470 --> 00:13:05.340 Sarah Seidman: Colleague at the museum for a few years, Brett Paul Freeman. I know is working on that, on that topic and others. So I think the contingent in New York was, you know, somewhat loyalists. I don't know if there were like, I'm sure there are specific instances.

00:13:06.510 --> 00:13:16.770 Sarah Seidman: But I know more. The general history that that there was that kind of pro British sentiment here and that there were kind of, you know, pretty

00:13:18.780 --> 00:13:24.030 Sarah Seidman: Stringent opposing sides and then that happens again in the Civil War, for sure.

00:13:24.750 --> 00:13:27.870 Jeff Goodman: Yeah, I would like to fast forward to the 19th century.

00:13:29.010 --> 00:13:36.900 Jeff Goodman: Of course some of the most visible and passionate protests in New York were before and during the course of the Civil War, when did New Yorkers.

00:13:37.350 --> 00:13:46.470 Jeff Goodman: First become active in sort of protests in the abolitionist movement. And I also want to include Brooklyn because Brooklyn didn't become part of the city.

00:13:46.890 --> 00:13:59.580 Jeff Goodman: Until the consolidation in 1898 but it was the third largest city in the United States. And it was very much front and center in the anti in anti slavery activism before the before the Civil War.

00:14:01.620 --> 00:14:18.750 Sarah Seidman: Right, I think, you know, there are acts of of resistance and protest absolutely before the war and then it kind of crescendos with the coming of the war. So in terms of New York's abolition of slavery.

00:14:19.800 --> 00:14:41.010 Sarah Seidman: The governor ends it in 1799 but it's a gradual emancipation that takes place over the next I think until 1827 so and you see even before then I'll have to check the year of the object. But we have a book in the museum's collection. That's an Emancipation log of folks who are

00:14:42.420 --> 00:14:51.870 Sarah Seidman: I think voluntarily emancipated the, you know, humans that they have enslaved before then. Even so, are probably into the

00:14:52.560 --> 00:15:10.290 Sarah Seidman: 1800s. So, you know, I think those individual acts and and you know resistant bind slave folks themselves for sure. I think has has always existed and did in New York as well. But I do think the lead up to the Civil War, like in other places.

00:15:11.460 --> 00:15:17.280 Sarah Seidman: Was, you know, things really heated up and and New York, in particular because of its

00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:20.970 Sarah Seidman: economic investment in

00:15:22.650 --> 00:15:26.760 Sarah Seidman: Cotton and other industries in the south and because New York was a big port.

00:15:26.850 --> 00:15:31.770 Jeff Goodman: City in the night shipping and finance and insurance and everything related to that trade.

00:15:31.920 --> 00:15:36.180 Sarah Seidman: Exactly. So you had, you know, a big segment of the population who was

00:15:37.410 --> 00:15:45.090 Sarah Seidman: You know, did not want to disengage from slavery and was economically tied to it and that definitely played out before and during the Civil War.

00:15:46.680 --> 00:15:57.300 Jeff Goodman: Alright, well, we're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Sarah sidemen the puffin foundation curator of social activism at the Museum of the City of New York. We'll be back in a moment.

00:18:09.180 --> 00:18:19.950 Jeff Goodman: We're back to this special episode of rediscovering New York and talking about the history of activists and protests in New York. My first guest is the puffin

00:18:20.670 --> 00:18:26.550 Jeff Goodman: Foundation curator of social activism at the museum and city of New York, Sarah. Simon who's actually returning guest to the show.

00:18:27.420 --> 00:18:37.560 Jeff Goodman: Sarah. Before we talk more about protest. I wanted to ask you about a special series that the museum is hosting online. It's called curators from the couch. Do you want to tell us about that.

00:18:39.510 --> 00:18:45.210 Sarah Seidman: I'm sure I would love to. It's, it's a chance. You know, one of our many

00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:55.440 Sarah Seidman: online programs as we've as we've pivoted to try to get you know so much of our rich content online to viewers and audiences right now.

00:18:55.860 --> 00:19:01.920 Sarah Seidman: Even though the museum is open its doors are open and we invite you, if you feel comfortable to come visit

00:19:02.730 --> 00:19:13.260 Sarah Seidman: But creatives from the couch is an opportunity for me, the curator or other curators to be in conversation with scholars

00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:24.510 Sarah Seidman: Activists experts in their field. So I've done a few of them around activism. And we have another one coming up with historian Neil Joseph around

00:19:25.020 --> 00:19:37.620 Sarah Seidman: Voting rights, past and present on October 20 I believe so. Yeah, it's a nice like intimate way to delve, you know, briefly into A into a topic in a 30 minute session.

00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:40.200 Jeff Goodman: And the website for the museum is

00:19:41.610 --> 00:20:05.010 Sarah Seidman: Well, MC is our main site. And we also have dedicated online site for activists, New York, which is activist new and a lot of our exhibition content is also available there, and even pieces that are no longer in the gallery anymore are up online. So, so please visit

00:20:06.210 --> 00:20:21.360 Jeff Goodman: Oh, great. Let's talk about immigration activism, or maybe anti immigration activism. We'd like to think of New York is a really liberal town and we're always on the forefront of bettering the lives of people but New Yorkers weren't always on the forefront of being pro immigrant war way.

00:20:22.890 --> 00:20:24.480 Sarah Seidman: No, definitely not.

00:20:26.220 --> 00:20:32.910 Jeff Goodman: What was some of the. What was some of the activism involved in the earlier days when when people in New York didn't want immigration.

00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:46.140 Sarah Seidman: Right, well you know the the example that you gave with Peter Stuyvesant really at the beginning is the jumping off point for the show with deciding like you know who can physically be here.

00:20:46.800 --> 00:20:55.230 Sarah Seidman: Or not from the Dutch colony and how that applies to both indigenous New Yorkers. And who else could emigrate right Jews.

00:20:56.520 --> 00:20:57.540 Sarah Seidman: Lutherans

00:20:58.830 --> 00:21:09.060 Sarah Seidman: Yeah, folks coming from Brazil Quaker Quakers. So there's definitely that element right from the beginning and then with every kind of subsequent wave. I think there's a there's a

00:21:09.330 --> 00:21:34.260 Sarah Seidman: Question about it so that definitely like ramped up in the 19th century as the numbers of immigrants coming to New York skyrocket. And, and so we see in like the 1830s really through 60s, as there's a huge wave of immigrants. There's also a very pronounced wave of anti immigrant

00:21:35.760 --> 00:21:42.480 Sarah Seidman: Sentiment So Samuel FB Moore's, for example, who we might just think of as Morse code.

00:21:43.260 --> 00:21:55.530 Sarah Seidman: You know, was like a New York politician who opposed, you know, new immigrants really and citizenship for new immigrants, there was a whole movement to deny people the right to vote.

00:21:55.890 --> 00:22:04.350 Sarah Seidman: For 21 years after they they lived here and and in the show, we have a replica, not the original of a flag that says

00:22:06.300 --> 00:22:20.820 Sarah Seidman: The like they use, they use the term Native Americans as the kind of Anglo immigrants themselves who had emigrated you know a few generations before the current wave of immigrants. So it's interesting how they take on that mantle.

00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:36.960 Jeff Goodman: Got our history repeats itself, not to delve too much into the president government and some of the anti immigrant activities. Um, one thing I wanted to ask you about was about prohibition. When we think of activism in New York, people generally don't think of booze and drinking

00:22:38.100 --> 00:22:45.210 Jeff Goodman: New York, of course, is famous for the Roaring 20s and the ever famous establishment. Notice the speakeasy it had to be in New York invention. I think

00:22:45.510 --> 00:22:54.150 Jeff Goodman: If not at all to have been, um, but before we talk about activism Against Prohibition when New Yorkers involved in pro prohibition activism at one point.

00:22:57.030 --> 00:23:05.250 Sarah Seidman: Yes. Yes, they were. And a lot of the we have like a particularly interesting set of objects in our collection from then

00:23:05.670 --> 00:23:24.120 Sarah Seidman: The women's organization for national prohibition reform, which was eventually like a 1 million strong group that was really instrumental in dismantling prohibition, but a lot of them had supported and advocated for prohibition before hand. So I think they saw the

00:23:25.620 --> 00:23:36.900 Sarah Seidman: What happened after the amendment and how it sort of enabled underage drinking and a lot of deregulation and then they realized that this wasn't necessarily the way they

00:23:37.410 --> 00:23:44.190 Sarah Seidman: You know, wanting things wanted to go about things. And so, but I don't think there was, there were temperance organizations had

00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:48.540 Sarah Seidman: In New York City. I think the national temperance group was not based in New York.

00:23:49.020 --> 00:24:03.930 Sarah Seidman: For the most part, and this this women's organization was headquartered in New York City. A little bit later on. But yes, we definitely saw temperance temperance groups and activists in the city. So once again, right, like the abolitionists, and the

00:24:04.950 --> 00:24:18.660 Sarah Seidman: You know pro Civil War pro slavery sentiments. I meant to talk a little bit more about particular abolitionists before because we always saw folks like the lions family which is going to have a statue up in Central Park.

00:24:19.590 --> 00:24:38.100 Sarah Seidman: Right, or the, you know, with anti immigrant sentiment, we see folks protests, you know, fighting for their communities to have more resources and the right to be here. So once again, I think with prohibition. We see multiple, multiple sides not even two sides but multiple sides of an issue.

00:24:39.300 --> 00:24:46.350 Jeff Goodman: Well, very important part of the exhibition and part of the city's history is economic activism and wanting to help people make people's lives better.

00:24:47.910 --> 00:24:51.990 Jeff Goodman: Do you want to talk about that. And the place that that has in activists, New York.

00:24:53.430 --> 00:25:08.550 Sarah Seidman: Sure. And we had a dedicated show. Steve Lieber to the workers on display last year that the Delve you know deeper into this huge huge topic.

00:25:09.060 --> 00:25:23.220 Sarah Seidman: But right so the first the first like Labor Day parade is a New York and because of New York's role as a port city and center of commerce sending center printing printing presses and public print culture.

00:25:24.570 --> 00:25:26.040 Sarah Seidman: And and books.

00:25:27.780 --> 00:25:36.120 Sarah Seidman: There are a lot of kind of ways that that it was a working person city and and that that really came to the fore in like the late

00:25:36.510 --> 00:25:49.080 Sarah Seidman: 19th century, early 20th centuries in various ways. So in activists, New York, we focus on garment workers and mostly young immigrant women who are working in the garment industry in the early 20th century.

00:25:50.250 --> 00:25:59.610 Sarah Seidman: Folks like Claire lemma was barely five feet tall, young, you know, Eastern European immigrants advocating for government workers to strike.

00:26:00.660 --> 00:26:13.410 Sarah Seidman: And, you know, folks, especially after the triangle waste factory fire in 1911 so seeing once again how tragedy or violence, then leads to a whole

00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:26.940 Sarah Seidman: You know response and opportunity for folks who've been working on these issues for years to to maybe an opening to to push for change.

00:26:27.840 --> 00:26:39.750 Jeff Goodman: One thing that I found really interesting in the exhibition is that there's a section that covers activism to revitalize the South Bronx, which I remember when I was a teenager during the 1977 World Series.

00:26:40.560 --> 00:26:53.190 Jeff Goodman: Howard Cosell never said the Bronx is burning. That was sort of like an urban legend, but there were pictures of buildings that were being that were on fire. You want to talk about that part of the exhibition for a minute.

00:26:53.580 --> 00:26:59.640 Sarah Seidman: Sure. So that was one of the original sections that lives on on our website and I invite you all

00:27:00.150 --> 00:27:13.740 Sarah Seidman: To check it out there. The, the section in the gallery is now on the Young Lords, which also has a piece for sure on the South Bronx, because they were very active there but they think that the South Bronx section really focused on

00:27:14.580 --> 00:27:31.200 Sarah Seidman: On housing, above all, and and right the destruction of housing and how community activists who didn't leave the Bronx, along with other folks, including like members of my own family and how they, you know,

00:27:31.860 --> 00:27:41.520 Sarah Seidman: rebuild it and got community grants and you know utilized, you know, use their, their own their own hands.

00:27:42.330 --> 00:27:54.420 Sarah Seidman: And as well as community organizing and groups to to rebuild and to create different resources for diverse communities in the Bronx. So yeah, it touches on housing.

00:27:55.080 --> 00:28:05.550 Sarah Seidman: As well as other pieces and then when something like the Young Lords because we wanted to make sure there was still a piece that really focused on the Bronx and there's there's other pieces about the Bronx in the show.

00:28:06.330 --> 00:28:18.690 Sarah Seidman: But the Young Lords were really active around protesting Lincoln hospital in the Bronx and demanding better medical services for nearby residents, as well as

00:28:19.860 --> 00:28:29.640 Sarah Seidman: You know, like, child care for for staff who worked at the hospital and they did a one day takeover of the hospital, as well as demanding better resources.

00:28:30.600 --> 00:28:49.590 Sarah Seidman: For drug addiction using acupuncture. So, all kinds of things, but then actually have had a really interesting legacies since since then so health activism is one way that we've kind of continued to focus on that period of a Bronx history in the in the 60s and 70s and beyond.

00:28:50.550 --> 00:28:58.530 Jeff Goodman: Well, one thing I want to also focus on our show is activism for gender equality and we can talk so much about it, we actually talked

00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:13.950 Jeff Goodman: A lot about the suffrage movement in the episode that you run in March, and I would encourage people to look at that. I think that was from March 10 but one particular area. I want to ask you about is activism in New York in the movement for reproductive freedom.

00:29:15.150 --> 00:29:19.140 Jeff Goodman: But how how of New York has been at the forefront of of

00:29:20.490 --> 00:29:20.910 Jeff Goodman: Of that

00:29:21.330 --> 00:29:25.140 Sarah Seidman: So we actually have a section of the show on the

00:29:26.520 --> 00:29:32.460 Sarah Seidman: It's like the 1830s and beyond that looks at fight over

00:29:33.570 --> 00:29:45.060 Sarah Seidman: Reproductive resources or rights and how abortion laws in New York have kind of zigzagged back and back and forth over time. And then you see folks.

00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:56.970 Sarah Seidman: Like Margaret Sanger who right definitely part and parcel with the eugenics movement but Sanger and other folks who do

00:29:58.290 --> 00:30:09.240 Sarah Seidman: Then challenge the laws in New York to establish abortion clinics, but that's kind of been a swinging pendulum. And then you see

00:30:09.930 --> 00:30:24.840 Sarah Seidman: Those rights than eroded and have a fight, a few years before Roe v. Wade in New York State to secure reproductive rights. So I think like 1970 or 71 I believe

00:30:25.530 --> 00:30:38.310 Sarah Seidman: So it's definitely been a very long standing fight. And then, you know, we've we've highlighted individuals, just like historically like Matt amor stelae who was a

00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:53.190 Sarah Seidman: An abortion provider medically and lived in like a you know illicitly but also lived in like a lavish mansion on Fifth Avenue until she was her case, you know, she was apprehended and

00:30:54.690 --> 00:30:59.910 Sarah Seidman: She then committed suicide. So there's definitely like story figures in transgressed

00:31:01.590 --> 00:31:15.390 Sarah Seidman: Laws in New York, as well as folks who have sought to dismantle the laws and then you know we we pick it up again in the section of the show on the women's liberation movement. So, for sure there's there's definitely a lot of constraint there.

00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:24.000 Jeff Goodman: We could spend so much time also talking about LGBT Q activism. We've actually talked about that on some prior shows including the three episodes.

00:31:24.390 --> 00:31:35.940 Jeff Goodman: Last year, which I did around Stonewall 50. But I want to ask you specifically about trans activism, which we really haven't talked about what has has trans activism been like in New York.

00:31:37.410 --> 00:31:46.110 Sarah Seidman: So I'm thrilled that we have a section of activists New York dedicated to trans activism and it's, you know,

00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:59.610 Sarah Seidman: Been really I think illuminating to see the kind of threw lines from Stonewall, we could have gone back further. But we use stone walls, a jumping off point since there were a lot of

00:32:00.540 --> 00:32:16.320 Sarah Seidman: trans folks at the Stonewall uprising. I'm in 1969 and as well as people of color and really young activists and it's out of stone wall and then the ensuing organizations and

00:32:16.950 --> 00:32:25.260 Sarah Seidman: Like the Gay Liberation Front and the gay activist alliance where then trans activists like Sylvia Rivera are part of those organizations.

00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:47.940 Sarah Seidman: Feel and our sidelines marginalized booed off the stage at Pride marches and then form their own organizations so Rivera forms star with Marsha P Johnson and there are other trans folks at Stone all who, you know, are less known than Johnson and Rivera have to come

00:32:49.530 --> 00:32:50.070 Sarah Seidman: And

00:32:50.130 --> 00:32:54.840 Jeff Goodman: But their system into New York. The park in Williamsburg was just named for for Marsha

00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:56.280 Jeff Goodman: Marsha

00:32:56.430 --> 00:32:57.780 Jeff Goodman: P. Johnson Park.

00:32:58.830 --> 00:33:08.670 Sarah Seidman: Right. So, and then has been really exciting to see you know them become more familiar names to folks so so they started this organization star.

00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:15.420 Sarah Seidman: For for really like homeless trans youth of color and it was a pioneering group.

00:33:16.320 --> 00:33:32.580 Sarah Seidman: Nothing you know existed. Like it formed a shelter, a short lived, shelter, but did all kinds of other things. And then we're part of the broader group to dismantle or to push for city laws to protect people based on their sexual orientation, which

00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:47.910 Sarah Seidman: A clause around trans New Yorkers didn't get added until 2002 so it's definitely been a long a long fight that's been part of the LGBT Q movement, but also marginalized within it. And those are the stories that we tell

00:33:48.210 --> 00:34:01.140 Sarah Seidman: In that in that section of the show as well as, of course, the more recent you know visibility of that activism, as well as the continuing violence against trans New Yorkers and other trans folks nationwide.

00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:18.720 Jeff Goodman: Several we're almost at a time in the segment. But one thing I do want us to talk about is Black Lives Matter Black Lives Matter came into being. After activist, New York. Do you want to talk a bit about the place of villain and activist, New York.

00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:34.680 Sarah Seidman: Absolutely. So we, we added that as our final section previously we had a section about the debate over the Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero as the final section of the show and that went up, you know,

00:34:35.490 --> 00:34:44.010 Sarah Seidman: When it was happening and the show was being planned in 2010 2011 and we felt like we needed and wanted to add

00:34:44.580 --> 00:34:57.270 Sarah Seidman: Change that new section that section as we have changed many sections of the show and to reflect the movement for black lives. So we put that in, in, in June 2017 and really

00:34:58.050 --> 00:35:08.100 Sarah Seidman: Focused on kind of set it off with Occupy, and then and then when from there and now now though from the vantage point of 20 we've updated the section.

00:35:08.310 --> 00:35:22.950 Sarah Seidman: To really look at the kind of, you know, ongoing arc from 2012 and the response to Trayvon Martin's murder and the acquittal of George Zimmerman to to today, and New York City's role in that.

00:35:24.690 --> 00:35:32.670 Jeff Goodman: So I wish we had more time. This is such an important topic and the exhibition is really great. I've actually seen it or part or

00:35:33.780 --> 00:35:36.570 Jeff Goodman: The iteration of of when I saw it at the museum.

00:35:37.590 --> 00:35:46.110 Jeff Goodman: Our first guest on this program on rediscovering New York about activism and protests in New York has been Sarah sidemen Sarah is the puffin foundation curator.

00:35:46.410 --> 00:35:57.030 Jeff Goodman: Of social activism at the Museum of the City of New York and you can read about the museum's exhibitions at MC and and also activists, New York. I think I got that right. Good night.

00:35:58.680 --> 00:36:00.600 Sarah Seidman: And thank you so much for having me.

00:36:00.810 --> 00:36:14.340 Jeff Goodman: My pleasure. Well, we're going to take a short break. And when we do, we're going to come back and we're going to be speaking with another curator of the museum and city of New York photographs and prints are very important part of this, as well as other exhibitions.

00:36:15.270 --> 00:36:19.620 Jeff Goodman: We will be back in a moment to speak with Sean Corcoran of the museum.

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00:39:54.660 --> 00:40:02.730 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest is Sean Cochrane since 2006 Sean has been the curator of Princeton photographs at the Museum of the City of New York.

00:40:03.240 --> 00:40:08.040 Jeff Goodman: He previously served as Assistant Curator of Photography at the George. He spent museum that's in Rochester.

00:40:08.700 --> 00:40:14.940 Jeff Goodman: Over the years, he has organized a wide range of exhibitions, including city is canvas graffiti art from the Martin one collection.

00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:24.630 Jeff Goodman: sightseeing photographic excursions and tourism and the upcoming exhibition. The city seen Todd webs posts for New York 1945 to 1960

00:40:25.200 --> 00:40:30.450 Jeff Goodman: Sean has written extensively on photography, including essays for Elliot, or when at home and around the world.

00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:43.020 Jeff Goodman: Alexei tittering called the city is a novel and the world Atlas of street photography that by the way is published by Thames and Hudson Sean Cochran, a very hearty welcome to rediscovering New York

00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:44.310 Sean Corcoran: Well, thanks for having me.

00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:46.050 Jeff Goodman: Are you originally from New York.

00:40:46.560 --> 00:40:47.430 Sean Corcoran: Know I'm from

00:40:48.990 --> 00:40:52.560 Sean Corcoran: upstate and when I say upstate. I mean, the real estate, like the Finger Lakes.

00:40:52.950 --> 00:40:58.560 Jeff Goodman: Okay. All right. Yeah, that's really upstate so there's people refer to suffering as upstate New York. It's like that's not upstate

00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:08.430 Jeff Goodman: Not to be confused with Western New York where you did work which I want to talk to you about in a minute. Um, tell us about your professional journey that led you to curating photographs

00:41:09.450 --> 00:41:11.130 Sean Corcoran: Well i mean i i

00:41:12.240 --> 00:41:22.680 Sean Corcoran: Guess as a younger person I was always interested in history, and I knew that that was the. That was the subject for me.

00:41:24.990 --> 00:41:33.690 Sean Corcoran: As a younger person. I didn't really feel like I had the confidence to teach in a classroom, this is you know the the college yourself.

00:41:34.770 --> 00:41:44.640 Sean Corcoran: And so I just and I'm born collector. I've been collecting ever since. Like I could remember. So the idea of working in a museum with things was always appealing.

00:41:45.690 --> 00:41:54.150 Sean Corcoran: And I guess it was an undergraduate, where I had my first real museum experience and thought, I think that's the direction for me.

00:41:55.560 --> 00:42:03.420 Jeff Goodman: I wanted to ask you, when you worked at the Eastman museum, but I also would like to ask you for our listeners who may not know who George Eastman was

00:42:03.990 --> 00:42:09.000 Jeff Goodman: It's a good time to say who he was and what he's done for our culture.

00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.260 Sean Corcoran: Yeah, sure. Well, so, George Eastman was the

00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:39.990 Sean Corcoran: Well, I don't. He was, he was a man if he was a major manufacturer of photographic materials, you know, most people know of Kodak although less than less these days, I suppose. But he was the founder of Kodak and Kodak in the, in the late 1800s was particularly important because

00:42:41.190 --> 00:42:51.390 Sean Corcoran: They revolutionized the dry play class negative, but more importantly they the he he was really responsible for the advent of the flexible film negative, which is

00:42:51.690 --> 00:43:06.570 Sean Corcoran: You know like what was what was most popular in in for from 1900 until about 1995 so he was responsible for the delivery mechanism in which most common people made pictures.

00:43:07.410 --> 00:43:11.100 Jeff Goodman: I still have some Kodachrome an actor crop in my refrigerator.

00:43:11.520 --> 00:43:15.450 Jeff Goodman: And I still have analog camera. I'm gonna have to use them at some point, um,

00:43:15.540 --> 00:43:18.360 Jeff Goodman: When did you join the staff at the Museum of the City of New York.

00:43:19.050 --> 00:43:27.900 Sean Corcoran: In 2006 so i was i was i worked at the Eastman Museum, which was a museum at George Mason tome which was dedicated to

00:43:28.890 --> 00:43:32.370 Sean Corcoran: Photography and in motion picture, I should say that

00:43:33.180 --> 00:43:41.520 Sean Corcoran: George Eastman was also instrumental in the in the kind of taking off of the motion picture industry because he also manufactured a lot of film stock.

00:43:41.790 --> 00:43:55.530 Sean Corcoran: But so I worked there from about 1998 to 2006 and then I went I came to the museum to see New York directly from there and 2006 and I've been there for the last 13 ish years

00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:05.700 Jeff Goodman: Actually, I would have been. I've been to the museum. And I was there, I think in 2003 so you would have been on staff there at the time had I known, I would have come and said, Hello, it is

00:44:05.730 --> 00:44:07.530 Sean Corcoran: It is, it is quite a place.

00:44:08.370 --> 00:44:13.350 Jeff Goodman: Um, let's talk about the current exhibitions at the museum that you're involved with

00:44:14.370 --> 00:44:25.050 Jeff Goodman: The city within Brooklyn photographs by Alex Webb and Rebecca Norris, which, by the way, I saw in March, there was a on a trip to the museum right before the museum shut down and we were dealing with all the restrictions.

00:44:26.070 --> 00:44:28.410 Jeff Goodman: Encoded. Do you want to talk about that, about that.

00:44:28.830 --> 00:44:41.790 Sean Corcoran: Sure the Alex Webb and Rebecca nurse who are a husband, wife combo, who both had independent careers working you know in in photography for many years. Alex is

00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:51.840 Sean Corcoran: Known as a kind of a world traveler photographing under the auspices of Magnum, you know, photographing in the Caribbean and India.

00:44:52.740 --> 00:45:05.250 Sean Corcoran: Doing a lot of work for geo and and national National Geographic and Rebecca was a poet and photographer and she's photographed usually things and much more personal to her.

00:45:06.690 --> 00:45:30.180 Sean Corcoran: Her family. Her family where she home where she grew up in North Dakota, but they bought, but they've been married and both lived in in Brooklyn. For more than 25 years now and but they've never really photographed around the borough they call home. And this project is kind of their

00:45:31.230 --> 00:45:43.890 Sean Corcoran: Their own to the city. They've lived in so long because they are planning to eventually move up to well fleet where Alex. Alex is to into Alex his family's home so

00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:54.330 Sean Corcoran: This is kind of the way of both Rebecca and Alex exploring photographically where they've lived and felt so comfortable for so long.

00:45:54.870 --> 00:46:06.600 Jeff Goodman: One of the things I like about some of the photographs, is what you don't usually expect from photographs that and museum exhibition is some of them are really large and incredibly colorful, especially the ones in the park. I really, I really enjoyed them.

00:46:07.740 --> 00:46:12.240 Jeff Goodman: Um, did you help to identify images for activists, New York, Sean.

00:46:13.080 --> 00:46:19.860 Sean Corcoran: I work, I work regularly with with all the curators actually on their on their exhibition projects so

00:46:20.970 --> 00:46:34.740 Sean Corcoran: Be it the bat we did it recently did a show on on basketball in New York City or the activists show. Yeah, I kind of acted as like a consultant for the photographer for the curators and and make suggestions.

00:46:35.580 --> 00:46:49.560 Sean Corcoran: And that that that happens is kind of a ongoing and rolling kind of basis if they're looking for something, I will make suggestions or sometimes I just know what their subject, they're working on and I just volunteer up

00:46:50.580 --> 00:46:51.510 Sean Corcoran: Suggestions

00:46:52.440 --> 00:47:03.360 Jeff Goodman: Well, what a great partner to have as a curator to, you know, come and say, You really ought to the I really think these are relevant. I really love these, why don't you think about including them in in the exhibition you're curating.

00:47:03.720 --> 00:47:04.680 Sean Corcoran: Yeah. Yeah, it's fine.

00:47:05.670 --> 00:47:14.880 Jeff Goodman: We're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with the Museum of the City of New York's curator of Princeton photograph Shawn Corcoran will be back in a moment. Thanks.

00:49:31.110 --> 00:49:46.110 Jeff Goodman: We're back to rediscovering New York and our special episode about a great exhibition at the Museum of the City of New York activists, New York. And we're also talking to the museum's curator of Princeton photographs about some other exhibitions, he's working on that. Sean Corcoran

00:49:47.220 --> 00:49:58.590 Jeff Goodman: Sean, I want to ask you about two other exhibitions. But first, I have a couple of other questions, um, there must be thousands if not 10s of thousands of photographs and other visually representative items in the museum's collection.

00:49:59.910 --> 00:50:15.750 Jeff Goodman: That could be used to curate the exhibition is that that you work on how do you decide what images to use in the exhibition. Is there any secret sauce to saying things you look at, or would you just look at them and say, that's it. That's the one I want to have

00:50:16.530 --> 00:50:19.200 Sean Corcoran: Well, it depends on the subject of the exhibition

00:50:20.370 --> 00:50:31.260 Sean Corcoran: In some cases, it's completely subject driven. And so you kind of dig into the archive and look safe say it's an exhibition on

00:50:32.070 --> 00:50:50.580 Sean Corcoran: Street street life that's like a very big subject. So then you have a lot of leeway and and that's where you get a lot more choice and whereas if it's a show on something like basketball. You know, you're looking for very content driven material. So,

00:50:51.840 --> 00:51:10.170 Sean Corcoran: In in some in many cases the content drives you know selection and other cases, it's just about kind of like more conceptual ideas of life in the city and the way we live in the city, then it's then it becomes more about

00:51:11.700 --> 00:51:21.750 Sean Corcoran: Maybe the aesthetics of the picture and and you know top composition and and and more artistically driven kind of factors.

00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:32.490 Sean Corcoran: And at the museum. We do, we do a couple different kinds. We do historical shows that are about a subject and then we sometimes do more art.

00:51:32.850 --> 00:51:51.450 Sean Corcoran: Related shows and you know you have to kind of adjust your approach depending on on the subject, for instance, Alex and Becky's exhibition about the web exhibition that is about a subject of Brooklyn, but, um, but the pictures are very much

00:51:52.560 --> 00:52:00.600 Sean Corcoran: Chosen and relate to each other in a in an aesthetic way. And what we were trying to do, whereas was, for instance.

00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:06.870 Sean Corcoran: Include a number of different neighborhoods, while at the same time I'm

00:52:07.950 --> 00:52:19.140 Sean Corcoran: Pairing off pictures that that that speak to each other. Well, in some cases Becky's pictures of the parks would be across the hall from across the, across the room from

00:52:19.470 --> 00:52:30.810 Sean Corcoran: From Alex's pictures and we wanted them to be in dialogue with each other. So it's not even always about the one picture. It's about the one picture how the one picture relates to the other objects in the expedition.

00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:37.410 Jeff Goodman: Well, it's a very important and moving project that you're working on right now. And that's coven stories and why say

00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:47.430 Jeff Goodman: And how photographers are bearing witness to in capturing history as it's being made, which is happening right here and right now. Do you want to talk a little bit about about coven stories.

00:52:48.510 --> 00:52:57.810 Sean Corcoran: Yeah, you know, I suspect, everybody that's listening at this moment has had some very visceral

00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:09.120 Sean Corcoran: Experiences over the last seven months with the pandemic and everything that's happened, and I'm sure in their minds. I, they have these pictures of

00:53:09.990 --> 00:53:18.660 Sean Corcoran: The trying moments that they've lived through and the beautiful moments in the in the moments of connected and togetherness as well and

00:53:19.620 --> 00:53:33.420 Sean Corcoran: A lot of people are making pictures now maybe not pictures with that the old analog camera but with their phone and and because that is where we are in the world today and what we are trying to do is

00:53:34.080 --> 00:53:46.410 Sean Corcoran: Gather up, you know, a good number of those pictures that will tell the story of these these last several months that we've been living through and all their complexities

00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:54.540 Jeff Goodman: Well, one exhibition that I've also seen and that really very much tells the story of New York is collecting New York stories.

00:53:54.540 --> 00:53:57.330 Jeff Goodman: Stuyvesant to Sid Vicious which

00:53:57.870 --> 00:54:03.330 Jeff Goodman: There is a picture of a photograph of Sid Vicious, um, how long has this exhibition minute for

00:54:03.990 --> 00:54:07.050 Sean Corcoran: Well, that that exhibition went up in

00:54:08.430 --> 00:54:17.280 Sean Corcoran: I think it was January and of course we closed down in March. So it was up for about two months. And now that we're reopen

00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:26.670 Sean Corcoran: It's going to be up you know it's been in the basically in the dark for several months. And now we can open back up and extended much longer than it would have been

00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:43.500 Sean Corcoran: But then exhibition was really fun for me to put together because that is basically selections of material that I brought into the collection over the last four years. So that is that provides actually a really good peek into what we're interested in collecting these days.

00:54:44.040 --> 00:54:48.000 Jeff Goodman: That's almost like your own palate and the museum is is this exhibition

00:54:48.180 --> 00:55:01.680 Sean Corcoran: Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't get to completely choose there are checks and balances within the museum but um but you know I with in combination with administration and trustees have kind of devised a

00:55:02.190 --> 00:55:21.810 Sean Corcoran: Strategy for the types of material we feel very important to bring in the collection. And in the last five years, we've really concentrated on street life. Life in the public domain. And be it the common man or and to some extent celebrity like Sid Vicious or

00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:28.740 Sean Corcoran: We want to see the ways in which people live in the city. And that's what this exhibition is really keying on

00:55:29.700 --> 00:55:34.230 Jeff Goodman: Fun. Do you ever go outside of the museum to curate photographs for for exhibitions that

00:55:34.620 --> 00:55:40.920 Sean Corcoran: I'm not. I mean, not really. Occasionally we do, we do collaborative efforts.

00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:58.890 Sean Corcoran: But, but I am a, you know, full time employee of the museum and seeking New York. So that's where I do most of my work I do. Every once in a while, maybe jury for another not for profit or on occasion. I'll write an essay or two, but that's pretty much about in

00:55:59.790 --> 00:56:09.180 Jeff Goodman: Well, in the minute or so that we have left. I want to ask you a sort of personal question. Um, what is some of your personal favorites photographs that are up there right now.

00:56:10.230 --> 00:56:11.700 Sean Corcoran: In the exhibition or as

00:56:11.730 --> 00:56:12.030 Jeff Goodman: Yes.

00:56:12.060 --> 00:56:13.260 Jeff Goodman: The exhibitions. Yeah.

00:56:13.530 --> 00:56:22.680 Sean Corcoran: Um, yeah, I do like, I mean, I like that picture. So you mentioned this, there is a picture of Sid Vicious I do like that picture because

00:56:23.670 --> 00:56:37.650 Sean Corcoran: He is such a notorious figure and I'm a huge music fan, but at the same time that picture is a historical moment that that is a picture of Sid Vicious being are being taken out of the Chelsea hotel.

00:56:38.940 --> 00:56:47.910 Sean Corcoran: At at, you know, after the death of his girlfriend Nancy sponging so it's a very important moment in New York City. And then right next to it is

00:56:48.510 --> 00:56:57.390 Sean Corcoran: That photograph is by Alan Tannenbaum and right next to it is another picture of john lennon and Yoko Ono standing in front of the Dakota

00:56:58.020 --> 00:57:14.370 Sean Corcoran: Which a very different kind of rock and roll star. But again, another New York story and the to seeing the two of them together, you know, made about the same time it says so much about, you know, music and culture in the city. Right, right. In within three feet.

00:57:16.500 --> 00:57:25.200 Jeff Goodman: Well, Sean. Thank you so much for being on the show, you know, I don't, I get to speak to curators from time to time on the show, but I don't think I've ever spoken to a curator of photographs

00:57:25.650 --> 00:57:40.080 Jeff Goodman: And I love photography, although I don't take much of it anymore. And the images and the exhibitions. I've seen in the museum are really, really moving. Thank you for sharing your work on the program and ongoing success to all your work, especially with coven stores.

00:57:40.650 --> 00:57:42.630 Sean Corcoran: So much. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

00:57:43.380 --> 00:57:51.750 Jeff Goodman: Well, everyone. We've just finished this week's exploration trip back to the Museum of the City in New York. We've explored there activist New York exhibition, as well as spoken with the curator.

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