Join employment lawyer Eric Sarver & I for a discussion on how business owners can resolve their employment law challenges and other issues arising during COVID-19, along with observations about which approach can improve an employer's chance of successfully resolving employer/employee legal disputes.
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Jeremiah introduces the guest of the show, Eric Sarver! Eric divulged a bit of his background, going through his journey living across the country and when he formed his first interests in law. Eric also outlines his career from graduating law school to starting his own law firm, talking about what it’s like to be the head of a business.
Eric describes all of the local (for New York City) and federal government branches and policies involved in the operations of small businesses. He also talks about employee safety during the pandemic and the responsibilities of business owners.
Eric explains the legal liberties that business owners have when dealing with sick customers and employees. He also goes into the functions of his firm and what they have available for employers during the pandemic.
Eric shares details about his upcoming show on TalkRadioNYC, which will be focusing on informing employers, special service providers, entrepreneurs, etc., on their power legally, as well as laws, policies, and financial advising. The show will also provide resources for listeners through his guests. The show will air on Tuesdays from 5PM - 6PM EST starting in September.
00:00:35.190 --> 00:00:44.040 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: What's up everybody. Happy Friday top of that afternoon to you, special show today very insightful show today, especially for business owners.
00:00:44.310 --> 00:00:54.960 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And anybody that has employees. Before I introduce my guest today the message of the week, and this is a quote that my guest today is said his one of his favorites is synonymous, but
00:00:55.350 --> 00:01:02.700 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It really strikes at the heart of what he does and it is there are two kinds of people in this world, those who need help and get it.
00:01:03.540 --> 00:01:20.430 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And those who need help and don't with that I would like to introduce my guest today. Eric server. He is an employment law and business law attorney. He has his own practice here in Manhattan, New York City, Eric. Welcome to the show. How you doing today.
00:01:22.170 --> 00:01:24.630 Eric Sarver, Esq: Share my thanks for having me. I'm doing pretty well. Thanks.
00:01:25.950 --> 00:01:26.580 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Thank you. Awesome.
00:01:27.150 --> 00:01:30.480 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Eric also will will make the big announcement later but he's also
00:01:31.290 --> 00:01:43.740 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Going to be hosting his own show here on the network. I think such it is kind of like a Test. A test drive for Eric, we're gonna we're gonna give them the wheel, a little bit and let and let him take off with it. I got plenty of experience doing
00:01:45.330 --> 00:02:01.800 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: What your other shows and and speeches and forums and panels and stuff like that. But he he's he's taken the plunge into into his own show. We'll talk about that a little later. So, Erica you you have a practice here in Manhattan. Correct.
00:02:03.180 --> 00:02:14.820 Eric Sarver, Esq: That's right, yeah. Jim ID and I have a my law firm, which is located in herald square. So, it's over at the one to six West 32nd STREET right between six and seven new
00:02:15.210 --> 00:02:16.350 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And cheap neighborhood.
00:02:17.190 --> 00:02:28.830 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know, it actually it is definitely affordable and one of the reasons I chose it because it's so close to Penn Station. And so, my wife and I, we live. We've got a young baby and right here in Jersey.
00:02:29.460 --> 00:02:47.040 Eric Sarver, Esq: For any new jersey listeners out there to give a shout out to you, but so we part of the factory was, hey, I can just jump on God transit walk down the street gets my office get settled in see tons of people that I know the clients and colleagues.
00:02:48.390 --> 00:02:53.010 Eric Sarver, Esq: Of course, coordinating was not really effective in the cards when making the calculation, but
00:02:53.760 --> 00:02:55.440 Eric Sarver, Esq: But yeah, I'm in New York City. And it's been
00:02:55.860 --> 00:02:57.330 Eric Sarver, Esq: Pretty good place to be. I love near
00:02:57.990 --> 00:03:01.800 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Um, have you get you haven't been going into the office much lately, have you
00:03:02.610 --> 00:03:10.080 Eric Sarver, Esq: Know, I've actually been working from home and then I set up a small satellite offices here in New Jersey.
00:03:10.200 --> 00:03:23.880 Eric Sarver, Esq: Okay, I found a very small amount of space. And that's more for my own just separation, nice little boundaries between right home life and work life and just my wife's working from home.
00:03:25.410 --> 00:03:29.970 Eric Sarver, Esq: WORKING MOM. So we, I thought it might be good. The little, little bit space and distance so
00:03:30.150 --> 00:03:30.630 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah.
00:03:30.750 --> 00:03:44.280 Eric Sarver, Esq: I will be seeing clients courts of income stations and having scheduled chips into the city and you know will be reassessing the safest way to get from point A to point B, you know, my office. Please proceed.
00:03:44.760 --> 00:03:51.960 Eric Sarver, Esq: And turns the train station. Good to see how that how that goes. And just in time, you know,
00:03:54.270 --> 00:03:58.140 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Are you a. Are you a New York or New Jersey native. Are you are you
00:03:59.070 --> 00:04:00.030 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Grow up up here.
00:04:00.720 --> 00:04:13.590 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know, I am in New York native Jeremiah, I was born in Brooklyn, but I'm not gonna say to Brooklyn kid because my parents moved with myself and my sister move the family out to
00:04:14.130 --> 00:04:26.400 Eric Sarver, Esq: Long Island downstream back in when I was about 10 months old. So I realized that my life growing up in Long Island and I spent four year that setup see not prison colleges, you know,
00:04:29.280 --> 00:04:31.110 Eric Sarver, Esq: That's where he got skilled in law.
00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.890 Eric Sarver, Esq: Right exactly that motivated me to be right here.
00:04:37.050 --> 00:04:45.930 Eric Sarver, Esq: So I went to college and damn thing. Just a little brief overview of myself. And then I came down here. Well now and again from LA.
00:04:46.440 --> 00:04:52.320 Eric Sarver, Esq: moved to Australia queens. When a good buddy of mine and then out to the upper east side for a while.
00:04:53.160 --> 00:05:02.100 Eric Sarver, Esq: That my soon to be wife then girlfriend who is looking Manhattan. Then we move to New Jersey. And so when we enjoyed her these nice yes it's a
00:05:02.520 --> 00:05:14.370 Eric Sarver, Esq: Good place to be. I had trouble. The first adjusting to the driving in Jersey the job handle and all the different sure like that. But you know, it's all been it's been a really nice nice place to know. So what
00:05:14.490 --> 00:05:16.950 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: What part of Brooklyn, did your family live in before you moved
00:05:17.520 --> 00:05:18.840 Eric Sarver, Esq: They were in Coney Island.
00:05:19.410 --> 00:05:21.120 Eric Sarver, Esq: They were before break between
00:05:21.150 --> 00:05:31.170 Eric Sarver, Esq: 20 oh and and brand right around the epoxy. They have you and it's kind of funny. It's very good, because one of my best friend. I'm Brian to give a shout out. And he's he's watching my rights.
00:05:32.220 --> 00:05:43.620 Eric Sarver, Esq: It will erupt together and value stream. He actually now lives in Brighton Beach. I'm not too far from my parents live. So that's the part of him that I was originally born energy from
00:05:44.010 --> 00:05:45.690 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Dallas. One of my favorite places in Brooklyn.
00:05:46.710 --> 00:06:04.860 Eric Sarver, Esq: Brooklyn no degree and then friends and and colleagues and other things I've done in Brooklyn out in park so prospect heights Benji graves and years ago. There's a lot of great places in broken English Sheepshead Bay and happy jazz. It's definitely. It's a great place. Sure.
00:06:05.460 --> 00:06:11.310 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: So, uh, so what what was, what was it that led you to prison to study law.
00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:14.040 Eric Sarver, Esq: Right, that
00:06:14.070 --> 00:06:14.820 Eric Sarver, Esq: We don't have the target.
00:06:16.440 --> 00:06:19.680 Eric Sarver, Esq: Necessary going for. And again, for the record was in college.
00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:22.800 Eric Sarver, Esq: Before I agree about
00:06:24.660 --> 00:06:30.840 Eric Sarver, Esq: Non disclosed information I'm joking. But what did you say long, you know, it's essentially I always had this
00:06:31.530 --> 00:06:38.160 Eric Sarver, Esq: Well, I, I've always had an affiliation for advocacy. Right. You know, for taking your people that I thought needed help.
00:06:38.520 --> 00:06:47.370 Eric Sarver, Esq: And thinking for myself and I came from a family, we're taught to you know assert our needs, you know, to, to speak up when something was not right.
00:06:48.270 --> 00:07:02.970 Eric Sarver, Esq: And also I just latched on to some interesting TV show is about law, back when I was coming up at ease, and I think just liking the advocacy part was one aspect, but then as I got older, more mature.
00:07:03.660 --> 00:07:11.580 Eric Sarver, Esq: The dream of being aware as I spoke about nine or 10 and didn't really know what it meant that, you know, got chain and then I started to get into
00:07:11.970 --> 00:07:29.760 Eric Sarver, Esq: A little bit of pre law in college. I just love. I love the analysis. I like the interpretation creativity and this may be his friend if I know that I like to talk. And so you get to seek and argue in law. And so that was a nice little added bonus, turning
00:07:30.210 --> 00:07:37.140 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yes, that's awesome. Um, I a good friend of mine and neighbor. He was one of my first guests on the show when i when i started it.
00:07:37.710 --> 00:07:43.320 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Sam Himmelstein he's a tenant lawyer, he's a he's a partner in a law firm in lower Manhattan.
00:07:44.250 --> 00:07:52.530 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And you know he's, he's a bit older. But I got to really talked to him about his progression and coming up to the point where
00:07:52.830 --> 00:08:04.500 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know he he was just working, you know, he was a lawyer and another office and he just hustled so hard. And they basically had no choice but to make him a partner. Can you talk a little bit because not only are you a lawyer, but you're you're
00:08:04.890 --> 00:08:14.400 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: A small business owner as well so you you represent businesses, but you also have your own. Um, what was the progression like for you to to open your own firm.
00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:20.280 Eric Sarver, Esq: Yeah, thank you. That's a great question in your mind. Have you talked about that a little bit. So
00:08:20.940 --> 00:08:30.900 Eric Sarver, Esq: It's interesting, right, finished law school, so I cannot law school in the fall of 1980 and my, my goal then was not on my own practice.
00:08:31.350 --> 00:08:40.590 Eric Sarver, Esq: At that point I envisioned myself working for small and medium sized firms, I wanted to be an employment lawyer from the get go.
00:08:40.980 --> 00:08:49.620 Eric Sarver, Esq: From once I got until law school and just fell in love with employment law and and then I also the last rites litigation and appeals and so
00:08:49.950 --> 00:09:00.180 Eric Sarver, Esq: My original thought was, I will work for a few small factors which I did. I worked for two small firms thousand one and then I just got bit by that.
00:09:00.630 --> 00:09:07.890 Eric Sarver, Esq: Entrepreneurial bug. You know, it's interesting. It started out Jeremiah and not so much with the law practice started out with a different vision of the company open
00:09:08.340 --> 00:09:13.290 Eric Sarver, Esq: Call per diem works and it works integrated essentially my goal. There was, I would
00:09:13.920 --> 00:09:26.550 Eric Sarver, Esq: Handle other law firms motion practice and research their discovery court appearance and definitions and then I hired a team of six lawyers I rotation to cover different things of Mary's
00:09:26.880 --> 00:09:36.030 Eric Sarver, Esq: And the thing I had was, I can do this for a while. I can get really well with other lawyers who don't practice employment law and labor law.
00:09:36.510 --> 00:09:46.560 Eric Sarver, Esq: And so they get to know me, they get to the quality of my work and then I'm reliable and then when they have an important alarming borrow to farm out but don't look very far. So
00:09:47.130 --> 00:09:52.710 Eric Sarver, Esq: I ended up getting referrals and one of the lucky says, and I started out doing the planning side, but the motivation, I think, was just a
00:09:53.400 --> 00:10:00.930 Eric Sarver, Esq: It wasn't like one seminal moment. It was just kind of a gradual realization that, you know, I can do this on my own.
00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:19.830 Eric Sarver, Esq: And I'd have worked great advice and more freedom in terms of the clients I would select in terms of how I want to go about things you know i i maybe thought back in 2001 when I started my practice that I would have less or a few people to answer to you and
00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.180 Eric Sarver, Esq: Anyone from the business like you know you run a few businesses, you know,
00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:38.160 Eric Sarver, Esq: You always have people Nancy appliance, you have judges. If you're a mitigation yeah have you know your referral sources and might want an update you know you got we've got people to and as I got older and mature.
00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:48.450 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know, the thought of them as you know people you know it didn't really bother me as much. So I always joke that I have many bosses. I got my I got myself.
00:10:49.470 --> 00:10:59.730 Eric Sarver, Esq: But yeah, that definitely and then once I started that you mentioned the hustle and you know I love the hustle and I still do. And I networking and public speaking.
00:11:00.150 --> 00:11:07.770 Eric Sarver, Esq: Blogging and writing and social media marketing a big fan of LinkedIn liable and Twitter and
00:11:08.490 --> 00:11:16.830 Eric Sarver, Esq: I find that an enjoyable practicing law, I don't know, maybe I'm a similar experience when you are out there, you know, getting your face out there. Again, the business out there.
00:11:17.340 --> 00:11:28.320 Eric Sarver, Esq: And I find that my clients have to you know there. Why do I find these, these are I'm finding are very frustrated because they want to focus on their craft.
00:11:28.710 --> 00:11:39.360 Eric Sarver, Esq: Their service or the product and they're getting bogged down with all the coven 19 rules and regulations which are important and necessary. I believe in these emotions.
00:11:40.140 --> 00:11:53.340 Eric Sarver, Esq: And they're also not sure how these new rules can enter intersect with or feed into you and feed off of wants to any rules around disability discrimination and round awarding this discrimination and around
00:11:53.790 --> 00:11:58.470 Eric Sarver, Esq: Leaders in our is. And over time, and what to do when you are remote workforce. So
00:11:59.490 --> 00:12:03.900 Eric Sarver, Esq: So there's a lot. They're not there to unpack this a little bit of my story.
00:12:04.530 --> 00:12:12.810 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, well, we'll, we'll catch crack that can open in the next segment, we got a couple of minutes before our first break, um,
00:12:14.190 --> 00:12:20.850 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You. So you've been in your you've had your own practice for almost 20 years now. Did I hear that correctly 2001 was when you started
00:12:21.150 --> 00:12:24.480 Eric Sarver, Esq: Then three April 16 19 years ago. Yeah.
00:12:24.540 --> 00:12:25.800 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, well,
00:12:27.570 --> 00:12:34.560 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And and being a business owner and representing small, you know, small to medium sized businesses.
00:12:35.550 --> 00:12:47.130 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: How does, how does that, how does that like kind of impact you and and your, your choice for the type of practice that you're doing. I mean, do you do have employees at your place, or is it just you, for the most part, and you
00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.660 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Contract out other things, or do you actually have a team.
00:12:52.770 --> 00:13:03.870 Eric Sarver, Esq: So I, I have independent contractors who are very well set up and documents and as such I to have Council attorney that needs to work for me.
00:13:04.500 --> 00:13:14.400 Eric Sarver, Esq: When I need me for anything down to them. They have their own practice and I have a podium paralegal does the same thing, you know, can see I don't have employees. Now, I think you're going to have
00:13:15.450 --> 00:13:24.180 Eric Sarver, Esq: Secretary and longterm research assistant. I found that, especially in the administrative side of things that with all the
00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:33.630 Eric Sarver, Esq: Updates, and technology around administration calendaring and apps and such, even though our upgraded more sophisticated build our
00:13:34.170 --> 00:13:45.840 Eric Sarver, Esq: Type of programs offer. I really don't have that need more administrative but I think we're taking me knowing my personality to myself taking longer, I think, to
00:13:46.590 --> 00:13:58.530 Eric Sarver, Esq: Translate one and then June, so check everything. Make sure it's correct. You know, before it goes out. So I try to answer that, not just me. I'm not just island, but I don't have any employees, my own
00:13:59.580 --> 00:14:05.640 Eric Sarver, Esq: Which some of my clients have that seems like talk to them about how to set that up properly and not get into trouble.
00:14:06.990 --> 00:14:08.640 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, that's got to be a big help.
00:14:09.300 --> 00:14:14.130 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Gotta be a big help. Cool. We're gonna take a quick break. Everybody will be back in just a minute. And we're going to pick up with
00:14:14.550 --> 00:14:23.400 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: What's going on in terms of regulation with employees and businesses in this crazy, crazy time, so hang tight. We'll be back in just a few you listening to the entrepreneurial web
00:16:31.650 --> 00:16:42.840 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Okay everybody, welcome back again, top of the afternoon Friday you listening to the entrepreneurial web juicy juicy conversation today with ATTORNEY ERIC server. He is a New York City based
00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:51.900 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Attorney that specializes in employment law and business law, which is got to be top of mind for business owners these days because
00:16:51.930 --> 00:16:52.470 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It is a
00:16:52.590 --> 00:17:10.200 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Constantly changing environment. I know just from the restaurant side of things and envy. Forget about even employees yet just your, you know, everybody's scrambling to set up these the street side cafes, where they're taking over parking spaces and
00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:15.060 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And building their own closures and literally every week. The city announces like
00:17:15.360 --> 00:17:20.370 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: An adjustment and sometimes you don't you don't get a warning and they just show up, you know, it can be
00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:25.980 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Farming to transportation department buildings, Department of Health, like all they basically said, be ready for anybody to come through.
00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:39.570 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And let me just give you a fine that might be like your, your, your awareness of the situation is it fine like, Oh, you can't do that or it has to be this or they've got the tape out and the white gloves and it's it's kind of a hot mess and
00:17:39.630 --> 00:17:50.790 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And, from your perspective, you're seeing just like a panorama of constantly changing updating regulations that particularly applied to employees. Correct.
00:17:51.450 --> 00:17:59.550 Eric Sarver, Esq: Absolutely. Jim I'm seeing a lot of that. I mean, everything you described, Jim. You just, you got the city and there and ordinances around things like
00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:06.210 Eric Sarver, Esq: cafes and the park is basically a good example, you've got the Department of Licensing and consumer affairs.
00:18:06.630 --> 00:18:16.200 Eric Sarver, Esq: And you've also got the Department of Labor in the New York State Department of Labor is a very powerful branch of the government and a very aggressive branch of that.
00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:31.050 Eric Sarver, Esq: And so you've got your long standing employment laws and labor and wage and hour laws that have been in effect, long before coven 19 strong and long before the pandemic, but you've also got now.
00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:42.600 Eric Sarver, Esq: Different laws around things like sick leave quarantine leave. You've got extra paper quarantine employed. If that does arrive. We've got federal legislation, right, the
00:18:43.260 --> 00:18:51.240 Eric Sarver, Esq: Families first point of aren't response back, also known as the FFC era which has to do with how you as a business owner needs to
00:18:51.720 --> 00:19:02.850 Eric Sarver, Esq: Operate and need to change your paycheck. We policy right you get certain buttons. Yeah, from LA emergency, basically. So there's certainly all those aspects.
00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:15.240 Eric Sarver, Esq: Involved and you've got also again long standing laws like the ADA, you know, yes. The American Disabilities Act, which is very relevant when the employer is screening, you have plugins for jobs.
00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:25.170 Eric Sarver, Esq: hiring, firing making combinations and now we're seeing more questions club around Cuban 80s around what to do have an employee.
00:19:25.890 --> 00:19:35.370 Eric Sarver, Esq: Reviews to come to work and once you have an employee request certain combination. Well, what if you're a small place that can do that's going to do a hardship, how you respond. You know what
00:19:35.730 --> 00:19:44.400 Eric Sarver, Esq: What does a lot of say about testing. Can you test the employees for Cobra 19 diagnosis before coming on to your workspace. And the answer is yes.
00:19:44.820 --> 00:19:53.130 Eric Sarver, Esq: can test them for antibodies circumventing the answer's no, has to do with what the allows in terms of invasiveness of your medical information.
00:19:54.030 --> 00:20:07.500 Eric Sarver, Esq: And there are rules from the CDC guidelines around how to create a safe workplace. So there's really a lot out there and employment insurance. I mean, you know, we, if we had more time to talk. I'd love to talk to you for hours for your guy. Yeah.
00:20:07.530 --> 00:20:10.620 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Well that's, that's why you're you're starting your own shell, right, because you can tell
00:20:10.650 --> 00:20:13.170 Eric Sarver, Esq: Three, four weeks days about this.
00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:16.140 Eric Sarver, Esq: Together, go talk for days and days. Exactly. Yeah.
00:20:17.430 --> 00:20:27.360 Eric Sarver, Esq: But, you know, one of my goals is to convey to people and overview of some of these laws and just some of the hot fun. What are the most common needs the business is what are the most common concerns.
00:20:27.840 --> 00:20:32.400 Eric Sarver, Esq: What have I seen the most about that's happening. So I wanted to talk a little bit on that.
00:20:32.460 --> 00:20:48.510 Eric Sarver, Esq: Yeah, for sure, but also wanted to convey that you know if there's any good takeaway from from this show today that you don't know what you don't know. So I just partially is about being careful about your reading sale limited
00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:58.080 Eric Sarver, Esq: Limited excerpt or segment about employment along covenant and team and say on yahoo or google like into
00:20:58.770 --> 00:21:07.530 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know Googling and issue and thinking that that's the whole you know Bang crazy complex the issue. And that's when in fact it's much more complicated.
00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:18.060 Eric Sarver, Esq: So they were my goal is just get some information that's helpful and but also let people know what issues do I as a business owner, whether I'm
00:21:18.840 --> 00:21:27.300 Eric Sarver, Esq: The coffee shop in the street or, you know, the texts are converting Raglan works home and I kept myself, this doesn't apply to me that throw
00:21:27.870 --> 00:21:38.430 Eric Sarver, Esq: On home at home and zoom if they find her online. And so, but actually you haven't you have a lot of certainty. Now, so, so, yeah, you know, I'd love to talk about that. And, you know, having them probably your
00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:39.750 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Your lead. Yeah.
00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:51.750 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I mean you know it's it's come up with my businesses. I've got a number of employees that each one, but they're all pretty small arm and it feels like you know these days. You have to be super sensitive to everybody's needs doing, first and foremost, we had to really
00:21:52.050 --> 00:21:57.480 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Pay attention to our, our customers and what was going to make them most comfortable so that they still had confidence to
00:21:58.050 --> 00:22:09.630 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: To, you know, engage in commerce with us. But, uh, you know, if I if an employee says in any way to me these days. I don't know. Feelings are gonna let you stay home like just
00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:15.210 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Will will cover it like it's not even a problem. And I'm not even I, you know, I'm less concerned about
00:22:16.980 --> 00:22:23.340 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: being penalized, you know, from any government agency for that first and foremost is just everybody safety.
00:22:23.670 --> 00:22:32.520 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: But that's, that's, for me, like top of mind. If you could talk for a moment about about your, your most recent discoveries dealing with employees that
00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:45.420 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: One. I'll just say, you know, they're just like, I'm not feeling well. I want to come in or or one said, you know, are the opposite, you know, appear to not feel so good, you know, not look so good.
00:22:46.140 --> 00:22:46.590 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: But they
00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:54.390 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: They're, they're interested in working, how can how can employers navigate those two that they seem like the most sticky situations to me.
00:22:55.500 --> 00:23:03.420 Eric Sarver, Esq: They are thinking durations and they're very common. I'm glad you brought them up. I'm also glad your mind to hear you say that you know you don't mind.
00:23:04.710 --> 00:23:09.420 Eric Sarver, Esq: Telling me this. You haven't been home, not just because of the woman I require a
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:17.550 Eric Sarver, Esq: Dense garden, but they don't because, you know, it's just great, it's good practice it seem corroding the safety of your employees and it's good karma. You know, I
00:23:17.970 --> 00:23:26.970 Eric Sarver, Esq: you backtrack a little bit. I don't know about point, but I remember saying to you that there are a lot of these guidelines and regulations that I'm actually all for them, I think. No, no.
00:23:27.330 --> 00:23:42.390 Eric Sarver, Esq: CDC guidelines OSHA and, you know, to help create a safe workplace. The goal is where we don't want workers coming back, getting sick and being amazed mass your cluster where they go home and, you know, spread the disease covenant team and their families, loved ones or
00:23:42.450 --> 00:23:43.140 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Right, or any
00:23:43.170 --> 00:23:54.450 Eric Sarver, Esq: Changes. So let's take each scenario. This person does not want to come in because of not feeling well. And so I would see that situation. Anything I would also look at
00:23:54.960 --> 00:24:00.720 Eric Sarver, Esq: How long is the employee that when you come in. Is it Hey boss. I don't want to come in today.
00:24:01.620 --> 00:24:11.400 Eric Sarver, Esq: I've turned my head. He like you tired or hey, I don't want to come in because right I'm not feeling well and it's goes on for weeks, two weeks. There's no doctor, no.
00:24:12.090 --> 00:24:20.550 Eric Sarver, Esq: Medical follow up. So if you don't, please don't want to come in and they're not feeling well especially these days, right, the good practice to have I'm stay home.
00:24:21.060 --> 00:24:32.730 Eric Sarver, Esq: And if an employee is claiming that they're, you know, an ongoing issue of safe like know fever, chills, or coding team like system and you can ask them regardless. No, no. You're allowed
00:24:33.120 --> 00:24:42.630 Eric Sarver, Esq: Under the DA under etc guidelines and recommendation to say hey you know you've been out since we've got endemic right the symptoms.
00:24:43.170 --> 00:24:55.770 Eric Sarver, Esq: run the gamut. So you can be pressed into your testing. You can also take some temperature when they come back to work and Nashville symptoms. So that's I think I would, I would say that an employee is not want to come in. They're not feeling well.
00:24:57.090 --> 00:25:09.960 Eric Sarver, Esq: It's always beneficial to you to have them stay home when they do come back. Right. You want to be careful because if you are not taking certain precautions and other employee to get sick is I've never thought of action is an unsafe right
00:25:11.370 --> 00:25:15.360 Eric Sarver, Esq: Now he does not a part of that too, if I'm able to answer that I've seen.
00:25:16.230 --> 00:25:26.880 Eric Sarver, Esq: And boy, the say I'm not sick or say I'm healthy and fine. No one of my family's sick but you know I read the news every day, then you know I don't want to come back.
00:25:27.270 --> 00:25:32.910 Eric Sarver, Esq: And he was coming, he is going on, you know, like, I'm afraid, like picnics. They take a subway.
00:25:33.390 --> 00:25:42.870 Eric Sarver, Esq: Bus. I want to walk to work is too hot, but I just don't want to come in and they don't have a pre existing condition and they're not in a high risk of them have a pregnant over 16
00:25:43.410 --> 00:25:58.980 Eric Sarver, Esq: So the question, right. Is that how you deal with that situation. And so be very, very careful, you look at what are the reasons beginning that I say before is need to investigate right communicate and document and then negotiate with that employee.
00:26:00.090 --> 00:26:06.690 Eric Sarver, Esq: So we know right basically right what's happening here. What you say you're free to come in. Sometimes I've had clients might say well that's
00:26:07.170 --> 00:26:14.160 Eric Sarver, Esq: A legal reason to say all my I read the department level guidelines. It says, As long as they're healthy and makeover 19
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:20.460 Eric Sarver, Esq: Effective and not sick and and i think you have a child under 18 they have to come back and they don't. I'm going to fire them.
00:26:20.970 --> 00:26:31.410 Eric Sarver, Esq: And I always advise don't like. Not so fast, because again, you're looking at like one lot the dynamic woman assistance and unemployment insurance.
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:41.130 Eric Sarver, Esq: But, you know, looking at, say, what's the reason they get so it's some fried is that fear part of an environment where they have and they come in a separate from
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:49.740 Eric Sarver, Esq: Of generalized anxiety disorder or anxiety severe anxiety. And in that case, you know, they might have disability under media and and the start of your TV.
00:26:50.550 --> 00:27:02.550 Eric Sarver, Esq: And maybe, then you have to like ask okay well you need a combination you know you need to gambling say to come in and have your own private office. Do you need to work within say a staggered shifts from
00:27:04.050 --> 00:27:09.780 Eric Sarver, Esq: To you need me seven so that you missing, Rochelle. Right. So you want to make sure you know the reason people want to stay home.
00:27:10.800 --> 00:27:15.930 Eric Sarver, Esq: And also you want to make sure that you friggin so you want to fire, what's going on here. Can you want to stay home.
00:27:16.320 --> 00:27:26.040 Eric Sarver, Esq: Sometimes I've had my client side, I asked that question in the email and the first row back and they said, I'm saying, oh, I recommend because I make more money on. Oh, man.
00:27:26.550 --> 00:27:35.820 Eric Sarver, Esq: And that's one person legal that's an easy. Okay, well that's job and you can do that. But the ones that say I'm safe work environment or I don't feel safe to work.
00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:47.640 Eric Sarver, Esq: If they're making that complaint and you fire them. You could be construed as retaliation against them for a potential OSHA violation that might be stated, so I can talk more about that. Maybe next segment, but
00:27:47.820 --> 00:27:54.810 Eric Sarver, Esq: Yeah, you wanted, you want to ask for questions and document responses and talk to an attorney, like myself, who can guide you through
00:27:54.960 --> 00:28:04.140 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: One pressing question I have, from what you said from the suggestion is documentation. What, like, real quickly and like 60 seconds. What would. What's the best way to document.
00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:15.210 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: These conversations. Is it is it an email thread is it what what would how would you suggest an employer going about documenting this so that it just gets got to be kind of timestamp and away. Correct.
00:28:15.330 --> 00:28:27.930 Eric Sarver, Esq: Correct. Yes, good question. I don't recommend email is a very personal. People tend to big rock company email and then that's self center where they were sending things to the mail could be respond and they thought that
00:28:28.560 --> 00:28:33.360 Eric Sarver, Esq: Email is always good also keeps the continuity and as you mentioned, you're going to Fred. I'm now.
00:28:33.930 --> 00:28:39.840 Eric Sarver, Esq: I don't recommend text, you know, the people in London, Miss attacks, they respond to texts before that and the race attacks.
00:28:40.170 --> 00:28:55.890 Eric Sarver, Esq: By quitting email great if he'd send a certified letter if employees really making serious allegation. That's something every week but email is a really good way to communicate as well as phone and sometimes having a second person on the phone with you to be very helpful.
00:28:56.100 --> 00:28:56.400 Yeah.
00:28:57.540 --> 00:28:57.810 Eric Sarver, Esq: Cool.
00:28:57.870 --> 00:29:06.960 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Great, thank you for that. I appreciate that. All right, we're gonna take another quick break. Hang tight everybody went to come back and dig into this whole little deeper. You're listening to the entrepreneurial web
00:29:07.530 --> 00:29:08.550 Eric Sarver, Esq: Let's dig. Dig
00:31:24.840 --> 00:31:33.750 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Okay folks, we're back again. It's Friday. You're listening to the entrepreneurial web. I'm your host, Jeremiah, Fox today I am joined by employment law business law attorney.
00:31:34.050 --> 00:31:43.020 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Eric Sarver he's based here in New York City. And this guy's got a wealth of knowledge on the ever changing regulatory situation with
00:31:43.350 --> 00:31:52.800 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: coven 19 with your employees but also your business, we were just discussing in the last segment, a couple scenarios you got a, an employee that
00:31:53.370 --> 00:32:02.610 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Is sick or claiming to be sick or is even just worried about getting sick and like what are some of the, you know, what are some of the appropriate responses and and what
00:32:02.970 --> 00:32:16.530 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: What are your rights as a business owner employee employer and what are their rights as an employee and and I had asked Eric in that last segment we didn't get to it, but I'd love for you to pick up on that. And I think this could apply, you probably would know.
00:32:17.730 --> 00:32:24.570 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Apparently not. Well, employee or an apparently not well customer. I think we've all seen
00:32:24.840 --> 00:32:30.150 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: The crazy videos from like the Midwest where like guys wear a mask coming into a store and
00:32:30.570 --> 00:32:32.130 Eric Sarver, Esq: Fighting with employees what
00:32:32.190 --> 00:32:44.130 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: What are our, kind of, you know, we legally bound as business owners to say to and what kind of appropriate action is there for someone that is apparently sick. I just, I, I
00:32:44.850 --> 00:32:56.130 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know, many times played out in my head. Once they you know reopen dining rooms. If I've got, you know, people sitting in my restaurant and somebody starts coughing and hacking up along and you know
00:32:56.400 --> 00:33:07.020 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Everybody's like, immediately, you're going to be uncomfortably looking around. And did you know it's going to fall on me to go to that person. What can I say to them, or if an employee, same thing. And I'm like, dude, you need to go home.
00:33:07.290 --> 00:33:11.490 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And like I need the money I gotta stay like how what, what can we do
00:33:11.550 --> 00:33:12.450 Eric Sarver, Esq: In that situation was
00:33:12.540 --> 00:33:22.470 Eric Sarver, Esq: The best response sure none of the great question. And it's one that I have seen as well. I've seen more than the folks that weren't they hope people don't want to come in because afterward.
00:33:22.860 --> 00:33:30.780 Eric Sarver, Esq: They brought home. They haven't made money. Well, first off, you have a right legal right under anyone under the ADA and the
00:33:31.470 --> 00:33:34.500 Eric Sarver, Esq: Title seven, which covers this idea discrimination in a rather
00:33:35.340 --> 00:33:45.450 Eric Sarver, Esq: Race and so for the HR covers instrumentation. The point I'm making is you have array as an employer under federal and state laws to send an employee home.
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:53.070 Eric Sarver, Esq: If they appear sick right and if there is anything. And so, especially if it's a good thing. And that's the thing. The key issue there so
00:33:53.460 --> 00:34:00.780 Eric Sarver, Esq: Again, talking about documenting in the earlier segment I mentioned employees. They don't want to come in document the reasons, right, it is a
00:34:01.110 --> 00:34:10.290 Eric Sarver, Esq: Disability evolved documentary accommodation request if it's a clean and safe work environment document shows them how environment. It gives them a floor plan how you but
00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:21.540 Eric Sarver, Esq: Going to your issue now you as a business owner, right. You haven't been back, you have an obligation to create a safe working environment, right. So that's, you know, under OSHA
00:34:22.080 --> 00:34:34.470 Eric Sarver, Esq: Occupational Safety and Health Act. It's under applicable state laws as well. So try to answer. During my is you can send them home if they're sick, you know. And in fact, you also allow the invoice temperature
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:48.780 Eric Sarver, Esq: So really unsure about human rights, hey, you know what, come over here and look kind of feverish take temperature hundred 100 point for more. You can say, Okay, look, your fever. Yeah, well go home and you can also request, they come out with a doctor's note.
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:58.680 Eric Sarver, Esq: That the the time people get in trouble is when an employer assume that employees, probably not well because of some
00:34:59.130 --> 00:35:05.160 Eric Sarver, Esq: Distinguishing tree, like for example you know say you've got an employee who is 64. And so working your company.
00:35:05.550 --> 00:35:15.240 Eric Sarver, Esq: And you see them through the, through once or twice, you know, and you were kind of automatically assume that, oh, well, they're older. And my God, it might be sticking to that they're unrealistic.
00:35:15.630 --> 00:35:26.400 Eric Sarver, Esq: He can dies on the temporary home. So you have to watch out that you're not using a sort of disparate right standards like an unequal especially the harsh standard or if they have an employee right who, you know,
00:35:27.210 --> 00:35:36.750 Eric Sarver, Esq: They have a disability, maybe unrelated to hone into you know sometimes people see somebody in a wheelchair or somebody may assume that, oh, I heard was able to more
00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:49.590 Eric Sarver, Esq: Susceptible well, some are like with as much for diabetes, but some are not. So my advice is, you can certainly send somebody home and turn the customer is awesome right same thing applies. Think of it as
00:35:50.190 --> 00:36:01.260 Eric Sarver, Esq: If you've got a customer who is living symptom. And you can say, hey, listen, you know, you seem to seem pretty sick. You know, I have the kinds of the restaurant or you might be the business.
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:08.340 Eric Sarver, Esq: I'd ask you to to leave. Same thing with people who are not following you know rules from mass or social
00:36:10.140 --> 00:36:16.230 Eric Sarver, Esq: But you're right. The tricky situation because if someone if you ask someone to lead a person is of Asian descent.
00:36:16.590 --> 00:36:27.060 Eric Sarver, Esq: And they claimed your, you know, selected and because of their Asian background, you might be busy inspirations. So one other thing I mentioned Jewish raise your voice coming in, it is kind of mind boggling.
00:36:29.100 --> 00:36:30.840 Eric Sarver, Esq: Sometimes they take my clients and
00:36:31.470 --> 00:36:36.930 Eric Sarver, Esq: Way they talk. I feel as if they are experiencing walking through a minefield, you only have one and
00:36:37.020 --> 00:36:47.850 Eric Sarver, Esq: Yeah, nice to hear us up there and again in the water as many people, but you know, you do the best you can, right, using common sense. So I think what did you send an invoice because you're sick.
00:36:48.660 --> 00:36:54.570 Eric Sarver, Esq: You think to say you want to make sure you write up the situation. So, you know, what about the negative to say
00:36:55.620 --> 00:37:04.740 Eric Sarver, Esq: Did other work have expressed concern to you and if so make sure you have that in writing as well. And again, just make make make make it very clear that leading to being sent home.
00:37:05.250 --> 00:37:21.450 Eric Sarver, Esq: Nothing to do with their gender, their, their, you know, their race or their age, when the nationality or ability sad. If so, I would say that, and then also say more more things well about this, which is on TV and play that you're sending home.
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:30.390 Eric Sarver, Esq: Be mindful of what would you pay them in the next picture right because we want standing laws around this and the Federal
00:37:30.990 --> 00:37:47.790 Eric Sarver, Esq: Holiday, and your wave along says that if you have a salaried employees and their home. If a part, we get the penis that we give them if they're not paid out if they're an hourly worker and the covered by to move it over time and you pay them by the hour on a dare
00:37:48.990 --> 00:37:56.940 Eric Sarver, Esq: You. It's an interesting dilemma. Right. You are allowed to say, look, you know, he was sick. And I thought you were sick, you're sick when
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:12.120 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know, working. I'm not going to pay you for the time you more here. And then they don't really have a way to clean. But again, if they claim that you're doing this to you know to retaliate against them something they did. It's a trend cheating on their money.
00:38:12.450 --> 00:38:13.080 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Right click you
00:38:13.530 --> 00:38:19.650 Eric Sarver, Esq: Might want to just pay the day you know if it's, if it's a week. Right. That's a lot of maybe you're losing my money, two weeks if it's
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:32.880 Eric Sarver, Esq: If it's the from the government noon and then as four hours. I always advise you know what, it's a very sticky time right you don't want to be a test case. You don't want to be that one that's in the news on TV channel and stations, because you know
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.870 Eric Sarver, Esq: reporters are looking for covenant, he is joining so
00:38:36.930 --> 00:38:37.410 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Sure.
00:38:37.710 --> 00:38:53.280 Eric Sarver, Esq: Hope you know, send them home and it helps them to go and say, Listen, you know, go to a doctor, you know, go tomorrow I'll pay you for today. Um, and, you know, up to time. It's like you painted have a potential heading and potential landmine
00:38:54.330 --> 00:38:55.290 Eric Sarver, Esq: pitfall situation.
00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:03.090 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, yeah, big time. No. That's great. That's really excellent especially distinguishing between the salary in the hourly because I have both.
00:39:03.660 --> 00:39:13.020 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And and that's you know that's that's always a big concern. It's these people that rely on the hours, not to. I was thinking of it is that you know that scenario hadn't happened but I
00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:18.060 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I definitely like have a few guys that are just, they're such hard workers and so dedicated and if you know
00:39:18.120 --> 00:39:22.860 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: They're the breadwinners for their family and it just every, every dollar counts, especially right now.
00:39:23.580 --> 00:39:35.100 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know, I could just see this arising and just how how to navigate that. And that's a really great suggestion is to, like you said, negotiate in some way. You said that earlier in the show like find that negotiation point
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:36.660 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Right where it's not
00:39:36.720 --> 00:39:48.870 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It's not a battle where they feel serviced in some way and it's not it's not a personal attack. I think if you show them you know that you have their best interest and and you know the businesses best interest in mind.
00:39:49.770 --> 00:40:00.210 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And you might have to pony up a little cash for that which is not easy. These days, but like you said, it might really save you from from digging out of a really uncomfortable.
00:40:01.350 --> 00:40:04.050 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Whole little later on. What are some other
00:40:04.710 --> 00:40:19.170 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Kind of things that you've seen pop up that people have asked you about unrelated to some of the questions that I've asked, are there any other things off the top of your head that you just you feel like employers need to know this during this time.
00:40:20.130 --> 00:40:25.110 Eric Sarver, Esq: Yes. Good. That's an excellent segue. I think it's w issues which are similar.
00:40:26.100 --> 00:40:33.210 Eric Sarver, Esq: And just do if I could just reiterate your point, sometimes a little bit of money. Now it just shows good faith. I think I think from the
00:40:33.660 --> 00:40:42.780 Eric Sarver, Esq: The legal also from the business who voted to things right and psychology of workers. People like to feel that like their value more than just the boss of the dollar so
00:40:43.050 --> 00:40:46.560 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know, if you do pay them today that that peace of mind that, okay.
00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:51.600 Eric Sarver, Esq: Maybe this person already is concerned about my well being and not just trying to get me out of my chefs my week
00:40:52.110 --> 00:41:00.210 Eric Sarver, Esq: Um, so that's a good point that they put in their name. No other issues or my that I've seen now. So the course, people that you
00:41:01.200 --> 00:41:13.050 Eric Sarver, Esq: See, well you've gotten people who are they, hiring right you've got employees that didn't come back at the end moved in. They got sick or they they retired early. So when you're hiring what questions to ask.
00:41:14.520 --> 00:41:28.680 Eric Sarver, Esq: Like over 19 and you say, Give a candidate job and then you run the name know might have covered it. You can delay their start the right you can delay it until their test negative or the healthy
00:41:28.680 --> 00:41:33.600 Eric Sarver, Esq: Uncovering but you can't retract and Harvard simply based on the coordinating status because
00:41:34.200 --> 00:41:40.830 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know it's could be considered disability under the disability laws and being very good and tested some
00:41:41.430 --> 00:41:50.040 Eric Sarver, Esq: Areas right now they're all kinds of opinions. Yay or nay, and I wouldn't give it to all of us to that right now. But my point there is that, you know, you have to be right very mindful of that.
00:41:51.000 --> 00:42:01.950 Eric Sarver, Esq: Situation. So I seem to me like that. No matter come up. I'm writing some one another issue involved take business owners who have boys. We're now working from home.
00:42:02.430 --> 00:42:10.440 Eric Sarver, Esq: And write the essay that early employees. And over time, it becomes difficult to track and point out in the same way. And then they came to
00:42:11.010 --> 00:42:18.450 Eric Sarver, Esq: The work. So, you know, maybe you have, like, say, like, you know, a restaurant worker who maybe doesn't certain type of
00:42:18.930 --> 00:42:33.660 Eric Sarver, Esq: Functions that they do at home that obviously server a waiter, a busboy right first person but um so you want to make sure that you're you're tracking our property that you know, be mindful. If you run a professional service if you're a tech company advertising company.
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:39.750 Eric Sarver, Esq: Be mindful of sending employees their email, text or phone calls.
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:50.310 Eric Sarver, Esq: And throughout that when you're asking for response because what happens in is right, you're extending their hours. Actually, maybe they're working more than 40 hours a week, and so they're now has the overtime.
00:42:50.880 --> 00:43:00.270 Eric Sarver, Esq: Is an issue we found coming up more and more before coordinating with instead of treating of the onset of right you'll tell them, tell it to you. And hello
00:43:01.740 --> 00:43:15.240 Eric Sarver, Esq: No, I think that's certainly an issue that comes up. I think maybe lastly to uncovered might be employees. Oh, that is hiring employees very guilty or they're committing team. Um, I also say just being mindful of.
00:43:16.170 --> 00:43:29.790 Eric Sarver, Esq: Being able to document and demonstrate that you have a safe workplace and also having employee handbook throughout the years I really get to this enough, because you know when an employee you surprised by something they tend to get defensive and react.
00:43:29.790 --> 00:43:38.310 Eric Sarver, Esq: Out if you've got all, everything is laid out in the updated revised employee handbook and I really, really didn't find all my clients.
00:43:38.670 --> 00:43:50.700 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know, you need a pager handbooks employee manuals, it gives people the lay of the land. They note events like example, if you're sick, you know, you will be sent home or something to accommodate these are empty chair.
00:43:51.450 --> 00:43:53.880 Eric Sarver, Esq: They know that going in the faith situation.
00:43:54.780 --> 00:44:03.720 Eric Sarver, Esq: If you know that you have to have certain CDC guidelines in place and some of those are the challenge was that you didn't. And you can get a copy of the blueprints of your compliance.
00:44:04.080 --> 00:44:14.700 Eric Sarver, Esq: Stick it in the handbook. Have people sign off on it. So I've had some, some of my clients that you update on my end book in February this year, which I did because I yearly but then Cobra 19 it so
00:44:15.570 --> 00:44:25.500 Eric Sarver, Esq: I honestly I'm just having safe rather sound policies around between having security having clarity for your employees is really key advice.
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.940 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, and that's in its documentation. It's just further documentation.
00:44:30.930 --> 00:44:31.830 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That that you
00:44:31.890 --> 00:44:47.310 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That they saw it, you have their signature dated that they saw the handbook. These are the policies so that when something arises, it's not such a surprise or even if they get defensive, at least you have that documentation that this employee was aware of this, you know, this
00:44:47.550 --> 00:44:58.110 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: This was going to be protocol that this will be the situation and this is the situation and then document the situation as well as as a double backup. I'm all about reinforced wedges everywhere.
00:44:58.500 --> 00:44:59.760 Eric Sarver, Esq: So, absolutely, I
00:45:00.330 --> 00:45:01.260 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: jitsu concept.
00:45:03.240 --> 00:45:05.250 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I said it's a jujitsu concept and
00:45:05.550 --> 00:45:06.780 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I try to bring it into
00:45:07.080 --> 00:45:09.750 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Into the workplace in a non physical fashion.
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:12.180 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Metaphorically, of course.
00:45:12.330 --> 00:45:12.510 Eric Sarver, Esq: Right.
00:45:12.540 --> 00:45:14.220 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: All right, we're gonna take one more quick break.
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:24.630 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: We're gonna come back and we're going to talk about some of the other things you have to offer. And what's your future. We're talking alternative broadcasting might look like. So hang tight. Everybody one more segment. Coming up, we'll be back in just a minute.
00:47:19.890 --> 00:47:24.210 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Okay everybody, we're back last section of the show. Here again, we're talking with
00:47:24.810 --> 00:47:31.680 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Employment Law and business law ATTORNEY ERIC Sabra he's based out of New York City. He's got a ton of great advice he shared so much awesome
00:47:31.950 --> 00:47:42.630 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Stuff with us already in the show and Eric himself believe is going to be starting his own show here on the network next month, if I'm not mistaken, and
00:47:43.170 --> 00:47:52.770 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know, he literally go on and on and on it linked about this very valuable information and it looks like he's going to get that chance. Is that correct or am I am I
00:47:55.290 --> 00:48:06.240 Eric Sarver, Esq: Absolutely. You're correct. I love my own show. I would just say something he kind of cheek. I'll go on but not on and on and on my my pledge to
00:48:06.540 --> 00:48:06.960 Okay.
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:10.170 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I might have been channeling through you, because
00:48:11.340 --> 00:48:18.210 Eric Sarver, Esq: I'm just totally getting there. But, um, you know, the thank you for mentioning that you have. So I'll be hosting a show just like
00:48:18.690 --> 00:48:26.760 Eric Sarver, Esq: folksy Jeremiah is doing here. And I have to do as good a job as you are, because you're like your question and follow up. I gotta stay on the shows and your follow up is
00:48:27.390 --> 00:48:36.690 Eric Sarver, Esq: It's like reflective and mirrors back in and what he said so. So my show. So working with the title so far. I like what I thought about employment law that
00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:43.410 Eric Sarver, Esq: Right, because they're matters of employment one image to maybe get together on their end of the day it will be about
00:48:44.220 --> 00:48:54.300 Eric Sarver, Esq: Basically advice guidance and resources for the business owner right for the small business and midsize company. It'll be a different audience of
00:48:54.810 --> 00:49:05.730 Eric Sarver, Esq: If you're out there and retail is your hospitality, or if you're in accounting or digital marketing and media. You're an accountant. If you're an architect basically professional service providers.
00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:22.860 Eric Sarver, Esq: As well as manufacturers anyone wants this. And I like to have maybe three components of the show, right. Number one is the information right people need information in these kind of to talk about some of the new laws and guidelines or they'll be discussing
00:49:24.150 --> 00:49:33.060 Eric Sarver, Esq: Let people know what the law requires but also let them know what what issues to be aware of because, again, if you're looking at something and you think it's a one.
00:49:33.540 --> 00:49:43.080 Eric Sarver, Esq: A ONE ISSUE OR one topic issue. You have to take an action that might not consider other ramifications. So tell me about information time
00:49:43.590 --> 00:49:54.120 Eric Sarver, Esq: The second part will be about resources and support. So I'll be having guests on my show. Guess who some of whom are new point of our realm, they might be HR consultants and experts and might be
00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:05.100 Eric Sarver, Esq: An HR guidance and correlations, folks. People who who have fostered environments and they have diversity inclusion, for example, and also CPA as or as opposed
00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:14.040 Eric Sarver, Esq: To help is to get through about what you need. Especially now in at the moment when everyone's paid on money right resources are scarce economies type
00:50:14.460 --> 00:50:24.810 Eric Sarver, Esq: Your I've already given all these restrictions. So how do you manage your cash flow, how do you maximize I might have example a college or in that in that area. But in July, just
00:50:25.980 --> 00:50:34.140 Eric Sarver, Esq: Unless you want to talk about, you know, I want to get local sample. I love my knowledge serving you know just like riffing on you know all the different
00:50:34.620 --> 00:50:44.970 Eric Sarver, Esq: Concepts and so let's talk about great. What are some of the healthy mindsets that I've seen a business owner and he says survive and thrive.
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:50.970 Eric Sarver, Esq: Maybe you can exist in line with your current business isn't such during these times that it's been my experience that
00:50:51.240 --> 00:50:59.160 Eric Sarver, Esq: The clients that operate, you know, for very fear based or scarcity thinking or angry mentality, the ones that are taking things personally saw
00:51:00.120 --> 00:51:10.890 Eric Sarver, Esq: They tend to shoot from the hip. It can be more much more reactive not bought for practice and situation and they tend to take drastic measures, call me up.
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:16.170 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know I fire. These employees because they did this and you know did you ask them about
00:51:16.680 --> 00:51:25.950 Eric Sarver, Esq: Their ADA accommodation that we're talking about. Well, no, I was so mad. And I just so you know, trying to get people to see that the, the more patient more
00:51:26.730 --> 00:51:33.870 Eric Sarver, Esq: Sort of straight step back and ask for help mentality tends to help you, the business owner to thrive and it goes back to that quote
00:51:34.410 --> 00:51:48.240 Eric Sarver, Esq: That I mentioned earlier, which I wish I can find the source, but there are two types of people in the world. There are people who need help and ask for it and get it, people need help. And don't ask for essentially and don't don't get so every point of course everyone needs help. So
00:51:48.720 --> 00:51:55.980 Eric Sarver, Esq: I just have found that we talked about. Right. What is the spheres, because I want to call it, you know, what are your, what are your main concerns.
00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:07.020 Eric Sarver, Esq: In this time because that impacts how you act situation. So if for informational tips and the sources of guidance from other professionals on guest speakers.
00:52:07.380 --> 00:52:15.660 Eric Sarver, Esq: Maybe business owners, you can talk about what they're experiencing. And then, of course, a little bit of right watch the little you know some
00:52:15.750 --> 00:52:19.830 Eric Sarver, Esq: Yeah. JESSICA Yeah my math ecologist, but, you know, maybe I can give some
00:52:20.130 --> 00:52:26.580 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Know, but it's funny as as business owners and, I mean, you not only owning your own business for so long, but also assisting
00:52:27.180 --> 00:52:31.950 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Business owners for all this time you have to just Rolodex to a ton of
00:52:32.610 --> 00:52:39.600 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Experiences and and what are the good responses. What are the good or the bad ones you know and and seeing the outcomes of those and
00:52:39.930 --> 00:52:45.600 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know, it's great that you say that, especially that the last piece of, you know, the third component of your show, because I think that really
00:52:46.560 --> 00:52:47.880 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That was one of the attractive features.
00:52:48.540 --> 00:52:58.950 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: For me to to talking alternative broadcasting is that that's kind of inherent in it all. And it's a big part of what business owners need today. I mean, you kind of know like
00:52:59.310 --> 00:53:05.340 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: When your bank account is tanking or whatever, you know, use those are those are kind of physical things and and and and you
00:53:06.060 --> 00:53:14.640 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know it does. It does. Insight certain emotions and it can make you insane. And what I think people needed the most during this time was the
00:53:14.910 --> 00:53:23.010 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Psychological assistance less so than, like, where do I spend this money. Where do I spend that money, you kind of saw the wheels falling off the bus and, you know,
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.170 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: If you've ever experienced. You know what to do.
00:53:25.350 --> 00:53:31.590 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: I saw a lot of people panic and and and i i don't know if it comes with a lack of experience because I saw
00:53:32.010 --> 00:53:38.280 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: People that that have been in business for a long time panic. Then, but it certainly is a common trait of somebody that's newer to the game.
00:53:38.670 --> 00:53:48.360 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And that can put you in, like, like you said, It's never just a one topic situation is it right. You think it's just one thing and it almost never is always coming from multiple angles and if
00:53:48.900 --> 00:54:02.760 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: And if you're in that that you know, that kind of blinders kind of line of sight. You're not going to see some of those other those other things coming at you and you know to rope jujitsu back into I try to mention jujitsu and every show I've trained for five years.
00:54:03.180 --> 00:54:03.840 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That was
00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:08.130 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: That was the thing that helped me the most was martial arts values of being patient and not
00:54:08.430 --> 00:54:17.310 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Not overreacting and not letting your emotions creep into thing. It's always like a reduction of ego and that's a big component and being a business owner, like you said earlier, you, you think you're going to
00:54:17.670 --> 00:54:27.150 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know, not have to answer. Anybody. And it turns out, once you get up to the top, you just fold down and you answered to everybody. Instead of, you know, where maybe you just said a few bosses before
00:54:27.600 --> 00:54:42.180 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It's, it's all your employees. It's all your customers is every government agency. It's all your vendors. It's everybody and you just have to really let your ego go to not make a, you know, bad decisions. We've got just a couple minutes left.
00:54:43.230 --> 00:54:46.980 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Before we wrap up, have you chosen a time date and time slot yet for your show.
00:54:47.700 --> 00:55:01.710 Eric Sarver, Esq: Yes, will be going on Tuesdays 5pm in September. I'm working out with Sam and we missed one station whether it'll be the first Tuesday of live, they are the one following that
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:16.470 Eric Sarver, Esq: Okay, but we going on Tuesdays every Tuesday at five and 5pm and 6pm Eastern time, and of course rather links and I'll be but if people know via LinkedIn and they book and you know in touch and
00:55:17.100 --> 00:55:24.690 Eric Sarver, Esq: Talking about things you mentioned putting all these actually ego so funny you say that Jeremiah, because I'm not into karate. I didn't take it. I think I was about 15 but
00:55:25.770 --> 00:55:32.010 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know I wouldn't, wouldn't have been in the ring and now here you know they may decades later, and when I call myself an expert by any means.
00:55:32.430 --> 00:55:43.290 Eric Sarver, Esq: But in terms of freight patience. I'm learning to step back, learning to pause or in learning to let go of ego. I do practice Buddhism and meditation.
00:55:43.710 --> 00:55:57.750 Eric Sarver, Esq: And so I found that, you know, like say meditation like great me, including with my clients you know I love my clients I may have, what did you find that might occasionally great on my nerves. If you're my client watching, not you.
00:55:58.440 --> 00:55:58.890 Know you
00:56:00.150 --> 00:56:01.740 Eric Sarver, Esq: Know I'm in from two years ago. Yeah.
00:56:03.300 --> 00:56:11.820 Eric Sarver, Esq: And so, you know, knowing what to say when say it, and knowing also when your ego is that means it's tuition. I've seen clients that have blown up rate.
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:22.440 Eric Sarver, Esq: Resolution of a case where you know litigation over a dispute over $100 because they just thought you decide, you know, whether it has $100 more and they spent
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:30.480 Eric Sarver, Esq: Much, much more than that on my services. Keep fighting. And when I pointed out, it was well it depends for things so
00:56:30.990 --> 00:56:34.230 Eric Sarver, Esq: Maybe that's the case, but maybe it's the iOS at the end and
00:56:34.710 --> 00:56:42.390 Eric Sarver, Esq: I'm love what you said about that and definitely want to incorporate that into my show as well. You don't have a mindfulness meditation sharp. You know, one of my colleagues.
00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:58.230 Eric Sarver, Esq: You know, is a great attorney also practice yoga and it's talking about how she uses meditation and yoga and when she did before the court, and he did dispute jugs yelling at her on the sides are doing and they focus. We were transcript and counter counter point though.
00:56:58.890 --> 00:56:59.790 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Yeah, that's a
00:56:59.850 --> 00:57:05.280 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It's a great practice and putting that into the show, I think, like I said, I tried to mention jujitsu and every show because
00:57:05.640 --> 00:57:10.470 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: It's it just applies everywhere. It's, it's, it's in the in the universe around us. So
00:57:10.950 --> 00:57:18.270 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Well, I really look forward to to your show, please share the links with me because you know I'm always shooting stuff out on social media, I'd be glad to help you.
00:57:18.600 --> 00:57:27.540 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: To get that out and yeah everybody listening. Please check out Eric show if you're a business owner, it's just going to be a constant wealth of knowledge for you in terms of
00:57:28.200 --> 00:57:36.300 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: You know regulation, it sounds like some mindfulness and just best business practices. So thank you. Really appreciate appreciate you coming on and sharing
00:57:36.990 --> 00:57:49.020 The Entrepreneurial Web Radio: Your you know that valuable information is certainly was insightful to me. Hopefully the rest of you got some value out of it, you all have a great weekend. Everybody take care. We'll see you next week. You're listening to the entrepreneurial web peace out
00:57:50.640 --> 00:57:52.710 Eric Sarver, Esq: Thanks. Jeremiah so long.