The Conscious Consultant Hour

Thursday, August 6, 2020

2020/08/06 - From Chaos to Coherence with Bruce Cryer

[NEW EPISODE] From Chaos to Coherence

This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes adjunct professor, author, and CEO/Co-Founder of the HeartMath Institute, Bruce Cryer.

Bruce has had a diverse career spanning musical theater, biotech, personal development, health and well-being, and executive mentoring. He began as a singer/dancer/actor on Broadway, including two years in The Fantasticks. Since the early 80's, Bruce has been teaching innovative approaches to optimal health, business success, personal balance, and human performance.

Bruce has been adjunct professor at Stanford University since 1997 and was named CEO of HeartMath in 2000, having helped launch the HeartMath Institute with founder Doc Childre in 1991. Bruce’s clients include Mayo Clinic, The World Bank, Kaiser, NASA, Unilever, Shell, Cisco, Cathay Pacific Airways and the NHS (UK).

 Bruce is co-author of From Chaos to Coherence: The Power to Change Performance and the Harvard Business Review article “Pull the Plug on Stress”. He has contributed to four books being released in 2020.

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Show Notes

Segment 1

Sam begins the show with the weekly quotes from Abraham and the Universe. Then he introduces the guest of the show: Brucer Cryer. Named CEO of HeartMath in 2000, co-author of From Chaos to Coherence, starring in The Fantasticks on Broadway, along with many other ventures. Sam himself is a huge fan of what HeartMath has done. Bruce transitioned from Broadway to the field of science slowly as he met Doc Childre in 1980 -- who he would later begin HeartMath with. 

Segment 2

Bruce met Doc in 1980 (pre-internet, pre-cellphone), but did not see him again for seven years. When they reconnected, it was clear Doc had advanced his thinking about wanting to start a company focused on the human heart. Doc and Bruce agreed that mainstream science must be used in order for the company to be respected, although he did not have a background or deep knowledge in that topic. Everyone involved learned as they went and came to understand that the changing speed of your heart offers a huge insight into your health and well-being. Before their research, it was believed that you cannot change the pattern of your heart and everyone involved was awestruck when they realized that this was not true. 

Segment 3

Sam asks what the biggest surprises were during his research period. They were stunned to discover that the heart functions in the same way as the brain, with a similar neural structure. According to Bruce, the most fundamental misconception around the heat is that it is just a pump. The electromagnetic output is about 60x stronger than the electrical signal from the brain, and HeartMath believes that the heart is the dominant part of the body. Gratitude is a particularly powerful signal that the heart puts out. Bruce went through a very tough time involving his health and which forced him to reflect on his life. He decided to leave the organization amicably. However, he still teaches the methods in seminars and with his clients. 

Segment 4

Now, Bruce is the CEO of the Graduate Institute which focuses its energy around holistic studies. Bruce’s love of photography and dance has flourished as of late, and he shares that if he is not involved in some form of creative process, his life feels less full. He is “loving being a learner again” after he has stepped down from giving the HeartMath presentations. Bruce chokes up as he talks about how important it is to love others and your life. 


00:00:39.450 --> 00:00:53.940 Sam Liebowitz: Good afternoon, my conscious co creators. Welcome to another edition of the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. I'm very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.

00:00:54.690 --> 00:01:00.840 Sam Liebowitz: I've got a really special guest on the show today. I'm really excited to have him with us.

00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:12.150 Sam Liebowitz: But first, of course, we have our quotes of the day from the universe and from Abraham. Let's get some of these quotes, so I can bring on my guest. So first, from the universe.

00:01:12.900 --> 00:01:30.660 Sam Liebowitz: challenges in life don't arise haphazardly, no matter how accidental or coincidental. They may seem, they only arrive when you're ready for them tally Whoa, the universe. We love our quotes from Mike Dooley and the universe.

00:01:32.490 --> 00:01:38.370 Sam Liebowitz: I think reminding us today that what we view as challenges.

00:01:39.720 --> 00:01:50.850 Sam Liebowitz: Are not something that are here to test us to drag us down to make us feel like life is so hard are so difficult.

00:01:51.930 --> 00:02:00.450 Sam Liebowitz: Our, our so called challenges are really just part of life and they're just how we see them.

00:02:00.990 --> 00:02:11.940 Sam Liebowitz: And that actually the challenges are what make us grow the most. And indeed, have you not felt it sometime in your life that when you've

00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:18.390 Sam Liebowitz: Been going through something that seems so difficult at the time that

00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:30.960 Sam Liebowitz: Years later, when you look back on it, you say, oh my god it was you know such a amazing period of my life. I grew so much during that that period of my time.

00:02:31.290 --> 00:02:40.620 Sam Liebowitz: And if it wasn't for what I went through. I wouldn't be who I am today. I'm sure you've all experienced that. And the only difference is our perspective.

00:02:41.730 --> 00:02:49.560 Sam Liebowitz: And that sometimes our perspective is just a little too limited a little too short sighted. So we don't really see

00:02:50.910 --> 00:03:00.750 Sam Liebowitz: The beauty in the challenge and as the universe says here, they only arrived, when we're ready for that my own I've heard the quote that saying

00:03:01.380 --> 00:03:17.880 Sam Liebowitz: God never gives us anything that we're not able to handle. So if we've getting bigger challenges. It just means we're able to handle bigger challenges. All right, love that quote love Mike Julie's universe quotes. Okay, let's see what Abraham has in store for us today.

00:03:19.050 --> 00:03:32.040 Sam Liebowitz: It is through your exposure to life experiences that your expansion is born, and once expansion is born within you. You only feel good when moving in the direction of your expansion.

00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:49.740 Sam Liebowitz: That's why holding yourself in opposition to your expansion feels so bad. Abraham. Hmm. Really good quote don't think I've had this one before. And I think actually it's really interesting is these two quotes are very in alignment, I think, very apropos for our guest today.

00:03:52.350 --> 00:04:13.350 Sam Liebowitz: And what the Abraham is saying is that life experiences or as Abraham likes to call it our contrast or our challenges. Um, are what cause us and in Abraham's terms to launch new rockets of desire there what caused us to more clearly identify what it is that we really wanted our lives.

00:04:14.430 --> 00:04:19.950 Sam Liebowitz: And so once we've identified what we really want in our lives, then

00:04:21.030 --> 00:04:41.160 Sam Liebowitz: We get naturally start moving towards it. But if we hold ourselves away from what it is that we want. Or if we focus more on what we don't want it never feels good, it feels, it feels contracted it feels like

00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:52.410 Sam Liebowitz: You know, things are just not working for us because we're focusing on what it is that we do not want in our lives, instead of what we do want in our lives.

00:04:54.330 --> 00:05:03.030 Sam Liebowitz: And when we allow ourselves to just naturally move in the direction towards what it is that we do want

00:05:03.510 --> 00:05:11.550 Sam Liebowitz: So as an example, let's say. So we experience a difficult relationship with a partner and we break up.

00:05:11.940 --> 00:05:25.410 Sam Liebowitz: And we're like, oh my God, I hate these kinds of people. Why did this person do this to me. I'm so upset and we just blame the other person. And we just keep focusing on what the quote unquote other person did wrong.

00:05:26.070 --> 00:05:36.210 Sam Liebowitz: Instead of focusing on, well you know what next time I meet somebody. These are the qualities I really want I want somebody who's ABC and D.

00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:45.060 Sam Liebowitz: And who really likes up my heart and gets me and is it's so in tune with what I want that that makes me sing.

00:05:46.050 --> 00:05:57.810 Sam Liebowitz: And so then if we keep focusing on that and not just focusing on what we want in the other person, but looking at that as a reflection of what we need to embody ourselves because

00:05:58.110 --> 00:06:17.580 Sam Liebowitz: What attracts those kinds of people, more than anything else is being just like them. Then we feel good, even if that person isn't here yet. And as we feel good about ourselves, and as we keep embodying those qualities we will bring into our life. A person with those exact same qualities

00:06:18.630 --> 00:06:35.010 Sam Liebowitz: And so if we keep focusing on what we don't want. We don't feel good, we lose our energy we feel life is against us. But as we embody the qualities we attract more of that. And then it uplifts us and we feel better and better and better.

00:06:35.490 --> 00:06:49.500 Sam Liebowitz: So I'm really I think these two quotes are just so in alignment that these challenges are what we perceive as being challenges. They're really just opportunities for us to get curious.

00:06:49.890 --> 00:07:04.650 Sam Liebowitz: About what is it that we really want in life really hold that image in our hearts and our minds and our bodies so that we can really bring that into us into our life manifest it

00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:14.220 Sam Liebowitz: And the quickest way. I know of to do that is to him body, the very qualities to act as if we already have what it is we want

00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:22.560 Sam Liebowitz: And before too long. It's there. All right, two wonderful, amazing quotes from Mike Dooley in the universe and from Abraham

00:07:22.980 --> 00:07:33.000 Sam Liebowitz: I hope you enjoyed them. I certainly do. I really like our quotes and I just find it so amazing how apropos our quotes are for the discussion of the day.

00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:42.300 Sam Liebowitz: Oh, and quick shout out to loyal listeners Patty and William I see you guys on the Facebook Live Stream Patty in Tucson William down and

00:07:43.170 --> 00:07:50.610 Sam Liebowitz: Thank you guys for joining us. As always, it's always wonderful to see you on the live stream. Alright, so it is my

00:07:51.420 --> 00:08:05.040 Sam Liebowitz: Deep honor and pleasure to welcome to the show. Bruce crier Bruce's had a diverse career spanning musical theatre biotech personal development health and well being an executive mentoring.

00:08:05.910 --> 00:08:13.980 Sam Liebowitz: Renaissance man, he began as a singer, dancer, an actor Broadway, including two years in The Fantasticks you never saw

00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.930 Sam Liebowitz: And okay, give me

00:08:26.190 --> 00:08:33.510 Sam Liebowitz: Zoom is telling me my microphone isn't working too well. But I'm going to keep going because hopefully you guys are hearing me I'm

00:08:34.950 --> 00:08:41.670 Sam Liebowitz: Two years in the fantastic world's longest running musical since the early 80s Bruce has been techno

00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:45.090 Sam Liebowitz: Whoops. Bruce has been teaching

00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:52.890 Sam Liebowitz: innovative approaches to optimal health business success personal balance and human performance.

00:08:56.970 --> 00:09:11.250 Sam Liebowitz: Bruce has been adjunct professor at Stanford University. Since 1997 it was named CEO of heart math in 2000 help having helped launch the heart math Institute with founder doc children in 1991

00:09:14.730 --> 00:09:24.060 Sam Liebowitz: All right, I apologize. Everybody. Hold on one second. I keep getting this message from zoom that nice speakers not working. Bruce are you hearing me okay

00:09:24.270 --> 00:09:30.990 Bruce Cryer: I'm hearing you fine now. There was a very crackly part of a couple of minutes ago right as you start to see that that notice

00:09:31.680 --> 00:09:32.640 Bruce Cryer: Okay, it's

00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:40.650 Sam Liebowitz: Alright, great. So let's keep going. So Bruce is co author of from chaos to coherence, the power to change performance.

00:09:40.980 --> 00:09:56.370 Sam Liebowitz: And the Harvard Business Review our article, pull the plug on stress is contributed to four books being released this year. Oh, after a two year health crisis convinced them to focus his energies on creativity, who's now enjoy

00:09:57.900 --> 00:10:03.630 Sam Liebowitz: I'll singing, dancing, enjoying photography. Welcome to the conscious consultant. Our Bruce

00:10:04.230 --> 00:10:06.750 Bruce Cryer: Nice to be here, Sam. This is a treat.

00:10:07.830 --> 00:10:08.850 Bruce Cryer: To me that I kind of this is

00:10:10.950 --> 00:10:33.210 Sam Liebowitz: What I have to tell you, this is just like a thrill for me because I've known of the heart math Institute for probably close to 15 years and and and I just love the work that the heart math Institute has done because it's really put some science behind

00:10:35.190 --> 00:10:42.180 Sam Liebowitz: Things like energy healing and things like understanding the energetic field of the heart and how important that is.

00:10:42.570 --> 00:10:59.580 Sam Liebowitz: And so I've always felt like it's kind of the heart math Institute has really helped to validate some of the things that spiritual teachers and healers and mystics have been saying for centuries, if not thousands of years, but

00:11:00.570 --> 00:11:11.820 Sam Liebowitz: Before we get there. I just want to find out how does a guy who has a two year part in The Fantasticks gets into starting something like heart math Institute.

00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:20.730 Bruce Cryer: Well, that's a great question. And there's a story there and it's it's a bunch of years because it wasn't one from literally from one

00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:29.490 Bruce Cryer: I stepped out of Fantasticks and jumped into man when I ended my career in New York City in musical theatre Broadway.

00:11:30.030 --> 00:11:37.350 Bruce Cryer: Shakespeare in the Park, whatever it was that I was doing it was because for a while. I had been noticing that in my off time

00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:47.700 Bruce Cryer: during the intermission in the shows. I was in especially. The Fantasticks in my my downtime in between shows or before auditions, or whatever. I was not thinking about

00:11:49.200 --> 00:12:00.360 Bruce Cryer: Reflecting perfecting my craft as an actor or singer, dancer much I was reading books on spirituality Autobiography of a Yogi rocked my world and in the middle of my running in The Fantasticks

00:12:00.780 --> 00:12:08.610 Bruce Cryer: And I was reading other things that were just inspiring me and a part of me was wanting to grow in ways that I couldn't see how that would fit with

00:12:09.150 --> 00:12:14.670 Bruce Cryer: With this obsession with being an actor and all that it takes to be a successful actor in New York City.

00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:22.080 Bruce Cryer: And so the gap was kind of kind of widening and I felt myself more and more pulled another direction. And finally,

00:12:22.530 --> 00:12:31.020 Bruce Cryer: After a two month trip around the country in a motorhome that my girlfriend and I took to decide what we wanted to do with the rest of our lives. She was very successful actress in your own right.

00:12:32.430 --> 00:12:41.580 Bruce Cryer: We decided we're we're pulling the plug. We're going to give it a couple years and make as much money as we can, doing commercials, which we were already good at and could make a good living in

00:12:42.030 --> 00:12:51.930 Bruce Cryer: And then unplug completely and create a new life in California. We were committed to moving to California. Two years shrank to about five months.

00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.870 Bruce Cryer: And we realized why are we still hear

00:12:55.590 --> 00:12:57.180 Bruce Cryer: Me know what we want to be doing.

00:12:57.510 --> 00:13:04.320 Bruce Cryer: Why are we not going ahead and doing it and a week later, we had packed up the motorhome and left for California. Kind of like The Beverly Hillbillies

00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:06.720 Bruce Cryer: But kind of the New York version.

00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:17.190 Bruce Cryer: Anyhow, once I had arrived there. I became part of a of a kind of a spiritual community, which was also a university, which was also a business was a very interesting kind of

00:13:17.220 --> 00:13:18.840 Sam Liebowitz: Very California to do end up

00:13:19.050 --> 00:13:24.360 Bruce Cryer: I was living in it in the very town where heart math was founded 12 years later.

00:13:25.500 --> 00:13:42.510 Bruce Cryer: So it was a small town in the Santa Cruz Mountains called Boulder Creek and it's. It's the home of redwood forests and spectacular views and and just a lovely, lovely place on the outskirts of Silicon Valley. So an hour from Stanford at an hour from Google, Apple

00:13:42.870 --> 00:13:51.390 Bruce Cryer: Facebook and you feel like you're 10 hours 10 hours away your way up in the mountains and all that. So that's that became my home for many years.

00:13:52.170 --> 00:14:06.030 Bruce Cryer: So the journey, a whole new journey had started was completely unplug from the entertainment world completely unplugged from the fact that at two in the morning, you could get a root canal. If you needed to New York City in the town I moved to by 9pm everything had closed.

00:14:07.110 --> 00:14:12.840 Bruce Cryer: Where is everybody. Where do they all go, What do you mean I can't get pizza at 10am 10pm, what are you

00:14:13.230 --> 00:14:20.370 Bruce Cryer: Crazy. But the adjustment was quite was quite fun. But anyway, the, the path of learning and growing and

00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:29.610 Bruce Cryer: Eventually kind of tip time my way into business had begun. But really, my, my personal spiritual growth was the top priority and

00:14:30.690 --> 00:14:35.640 Bruce Cryer: A couple years after arriving. I met the man who 10 years later would found heart math.

00:14:36.390 --> 00:14:37.890 Bruce Cryer: And his name is Doug children.

00:14:38.040 --> 00:14:54.600 Bruce Cryer: As you mentioned in my bio, and totally clicked with a guy right off and he be shattered my stereotypes, because his accent was as deep Southern accent, as I think I'd ever heard. I could. It was hard to even understand him and

00:14:55.770 --> 00:14:56.310 Bruce Cryer: It was so

00:14:56.490 --> 00:15:12.030 Bruce Cryer: Kind of mumbling like he had marbles in his mouth road Dogg and real real solvent got things and you know I my elite arrogance and white privilege assumption of such an accent was this is not a intelligent human being level uncaring

00:15:12.270 --> 00:15:12.960 Bruce Cryer: And yet.

00:15:13.500 --> 00:15:26.220 Bruce Cryer: And yet in meeting this gentleman I realized this one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. And one of the most intuitive caring people I've ever met in this. What a cool individual to get to know heart math did not exist yet. This was 1980

00:15:27.180 --> 00:15:28.140 Sam Liebowitz: Right, right. Gotcha.

00:15:29.250 --> 00:15:40.260 Sam Liebowitz: Let me stop you there because I like to leave the audience hanging, we want to take a little bit of a break. I'm just a quick question of Boulder Creek is it, how far is it from. Excellent.

00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:50.850 Bruce Cryer: A few hours, it's probably 100 miles down south along the winding road. So it's probably maybe as much as three hours drive

00:15:51.300 --> 00:15:56.190 Sam Liebowitz: Oh, OK. OK. OK. All right. I didn't realize, so it's not that close to Big Sur and all that stuff.

00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:57.750 Bruce Cryer: So ways. Yeah.

00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:06.750 Sam Liebowitz: Okay, got it. Alright, so let's we got to take a quick break when we come back I want you to pick right back up and list.

00:16:08.280 --> 00:16:22.590 Sam Liebowitz: docket and and sort of I'd love to hear the genesis of heart math. Like what really inspired the two of you to create this thing and and sort of little I'd love to hear some little nuggets of the early days. Okay.

00:16:22.770 --> 00:16:23.790 Bruce Cryer: Delighted to do that.

00:16:25.260 --> 00:16:35.310 Sam Liebowitz: Awesome, awesome. So everybody please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm Eastern Time.

00:16:35.550 --> 00:16:47.520 Sam Liebowitz: Right here on talk radio dot NYC and all over Facebook and through the live stream and we're talking with Russ crier co founder of the heart math Institute, and we'll be right back after this

00:18:57.390 --> 00:19:12.030 Sam Liebowitz: Our awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm eastern time right here on talk radio dot NYC and we're talking with Bruce Cryer co founder of the heart math Institute. I see. William says

00:19:13.170 --> 00:19:14.910 Sam Liebowitz: That he's doing some

00:19:16.050 --> 00:19:18.690 Sam Liebowitz: Experience. That's an introductory lesson, I guess.

00:19:20.550 --> 00:19:29.040 Sam Liebowitz: Offer so CC Bruce you're you're you're on the perfect show because my audience is already familiar with our mat.

00:19:29.700 --> 00:19:41.820 Sam Liebowitz: So let's get back to your story. So it's the early 80s mid 80s late 80s or you're out in California, you meet doc children. And what happens

00:19:41.940 --> 00:19:48.030 Bruce Cryer: Yeah, so it was actually 1980 when I when I met taco and and this was

00:19:49.590 --> 00:20:00.270 Bruce Cryer: Kind of funny that even say this, but this is pre internet pre cell phone pre email pre text pre social media. So he left. I didn't see him again for seven years.

00:20:01.020 --> 00:20:08.430 Bruce Cryer: And I mean, we didn't, we didn't exchange email addresses that you didn't. There wasn't such a thing. So I literally didn't see him for seven years.

00:20:08.760 --> 00:20:15.990 Bruce Cryer: And he was a friend of the guy who founded this organization that I was already part of in California. And he kind of reappeared adopted.

00:20:16.380 --> 00:20:21.240 Bruce Cryer: As because he was friends with the guy who had started what I was involved with and

00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:30.450 Bruce Cryer: Things kind of unfolded and clearly doc had had advanced a lot in his own thinking about life and the nature of the heart and whatnot and

00:20:30.840 --> 00:20:38.460 Bruce Cryer: What was clear was that he was having an increasing intention to create an organization around the study of the heart and to be able to

00:20:38.970 --> 00:20:49.170 Bruce Cryer: Share a set of tools that could not only help people with the day to day strain of just being alive and dealing with stress and health and money and all the usual suspects.

00:20:49.650 --> 00:20:56.640 Bruce Cryer: But at a higher plane to be able to unfold the intelligence that he was convinced was locked inside the human heart.

00:20:57.420 --> 00:21:09.270 Bruce Cryer: And so to prove out such an idea. He said, We got to use mainstream science. We can't do this through alternative science. We can't use alternative medicine to prove ideas that we want to become mainstream

00:21:09.930 --> 00:21:22.860 Bruce Cryer: Because the people in power of the of the mainstream organizations. The health systems. The, the major companies, the institutions that government agencies will not buy in, unless you're mainstream enough where they can respect the research that you've done.

00:21:23.580 --> 00:21:31.380 Bruce Cryer: And I thought that is brilliant. I can, I can buy into that I'm enough of a neat skeptical New Yorker, still, even though I've been in California, long time.

00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:36.210 Bruce Cryer: That I wanted the evidence you know i intuitively believe the heart was extremely important.

00:21:36.510 --> 00:21:48.480 Bruce Cryer: I hadn't made it a public commitments that that this was my path in life. This should I am a man of the heart. That's why I'm here. I'm here to learn as much as I can about the heart and be able to share the fruits of that that learning

00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:57.780 Bruce Cryer: And as we all were kind of those of us who were involved with heart math at the beginning, we're all kind of saying that and and to clarify Doc is the founder of heart math.

00:21:58.260 --> 00:22:04.560 Bruce Cryer: I was one of the team that he brought in at the beginning. So I was part of the leadership group, right, or what we know from day one.

00:22:04.710 --> 00:22:06.240 Sam Liebowitz: Many people were there on their team of

00:22:06.510 --> 00:22:08.100 Bruce Cryer: About 30 of us at the beginning.

00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:11.160 Bruce Cryer: He moved out from the east coast.

00:22:11.460 --> 00:22:15.060 Bruce Cryer: And he had a group of people, he'd already been working with in North Carolina, where he was living

00:22:15.510 --> 00:22:23.880 Bruce Cryer: And then there was a number of us who were in Boulder Creek already who had had been part of this university slash spiritual community slash business.

00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:31.020 Bruce Cryer: Some of us came into it. And then there's another group from Southern California that had been affiliated in different ways. So we sort of all merged.

00:22:31.890 --> 00:22:48.330 Bruce Cryer: I was lucky because I already lived in the in the in the right town. Yeah, there's had to move. So that's when heart math really began, which was more like 1990 but officially the start date was 91 because that's when we receive the, the official 501 c three nonprofit status as it Institute.

00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:55.980 Sam Liebowitz: So did dog have like a background in electrical engineering or science or whatever. I mean,

00:22:56.520 --> 00:22:57.720 Bruce Cryer: That at all. Not at all.

00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.090 Bruce Cryer: A great appreciation for it.

00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:13.890 Bruce Cryer: And so he knew that we would need to have high top notch scientists as part of our team, but part of the fun of heart math was a lot of us were in roles we that we did, did not show up on a resume.

00:23:14.340 --> 00:23:20.970 Bruce Cryer: You know, we had not previously been the research director of a nonprofit research organization. We had not previously been the

00:23:21.360 --> 00:23:30.840 Bruce Cryer: The in my case, Executive Director of corporate programs at somewhere else. You know, so a lot of us were learning as we went and it was very much part of building an organization, building a

00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:39.840 Bruce Cryer: Philosophy based on the research that we were doing in labs with real people with organizations, etc. So it was very dynamic.

00:23:40.260 --> 00:23:58.950 Sam Liebowitz: Place to curious. How long did it take to get enough data get enough like figure things out enough that you felt like you really had something. They're like, hey, like we really getting the evidence we figured out how to measure things

00:24:00.690 --> 00:24:04.350 Sam Liebowitz: You know was that process relatively quick did it take a while.

00:24:05.280 --> 00:24:06.900 Bruce Cryer: So terrific question. I've never

00:24:08.280 --> 00:24:16.200 Bruce Cryer: Thought of it exactly those terms, but because there were there were sort of many points where something significant happened and we gotta jump and then

00:24:16.950 --> 00:24:24.720 Bruce Cryer: Another one, and we got another jump and sometimes the jump helped one part of our mission but not the whole mission as much, I'd say.

00:24:25.170 --> 00:24:34.110 Bruce Cryer: So I always think back to a couple things that happened in the in the mid 90s were. Well, actually, this was this was later. But there were there were

00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:42.180 Bruce Cryer: The thing I was going to mention was actually more late 90s, but you're all through that early years. And one of the most seminal moments was

00:24:42.600 --> 00:24:55.080 Bruce Cryer: When the research track, we felt we were on was validated by an extremely high level of authority. So basically it was 1991 92 we were just getting going. We had

00:24:55.470 --> 00:25:00.780 Bruce Cryer: Beliefs about what the heart really could do just how intelligent, it was and it was a bit of a

00:25:01.080 --> 00:25:10.290 Bruce Cryer: I mean, there was a scientific method, but it was also a bit of a easter egg, kind of like, Where do we look next. What's the best way to try to validate these theories. We have about the heart.

00:25:10.860 --> 00:25:22.530 Bruce Cryer: And at a certain point, actually, was one of my clients, which was a heart rate monitoring company who was interested in us because they thought I tools for reducing stress would help their salespeople.

00:25:23.310 --> 00:25:33.660 Bruce Cryer: So the fact that we were also in the heart business was kind of interesting, but that wasn't why they bought in they felt you guys have some very effective stress management techniques. Our sales people need that.

00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.530 Bruce Cryer: So I'm up there doing the training and the head of marketing for the company is

00:25:37.620 --> 00:25:54.870 Bruce Cryer: Listening to the whole thing and it takes me society says, You guys need to be really getting deeper and deeper into this heart rate variability concept that you're already starting to talk about. I have a connection to the cardiologist at Northwestern who invented that term.

00:25:55.350 --> 00:26:03.240 Bruce Cryer: Oh wow, and I would like to arrange it if possible for him to visit with you because if you could ever get him to buy into what you're talking about.

00:26:04.020 --> 00:26:14.280 Bruce Cryer: It will be extremely valuable for you. That was arranged he flies out. Dr. Donald singer is this name eminent cardiologist did not suffer fools.

00:26:15.300 --> 00:26:16.980 Bruce Cryer: He was not messing around with

00:26:17.250 --> 00:26:25.530 Bruce Cryer: A bunch of California hippies, if that's what we were you know you'd like. He wasn't gonna mess around. And I will never forget. Because here is the man who was

00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:35.880 Bruce Cryer: Significant sort of founder of a whole major branch of cardiology called heart rate variability. The idea that our heart is constantly changing speed.

00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:45.030 Bruce Cryer: And that the analysis of how and why it's changing speed can inform us about the overall health of our bodies and our nervous system is hugely important field.

00:26:45.360 --> 00:26:54.360 Bruce Cryer: But not that well understood. Yet outside of kind of narrow research. So here we are basically telling the founder of the of that field.

00:26:54.750 --> 00:27:12.960 Bruce Cryer: That we understood we could change someone's we could teach someone to change the pattern of how their heart is beating you could learn to control that. And you didn't need to become a yogi and before we kind of reveal that he had said to us, it's impossible for any human being to change.

00:27:14.280 --> 00:27:19.260 Bruce Cryer: The pattern of their own heart. It's just, you can't do it. Yeah, we, we have a lot of variability

00:27:19.590 --> 00:27:33.600 Bruce Cryer: A lot of variation, like, think of it as a super flexible muscle when we're babies. And then as we grow it gets a little tighter, a little tighter little narrower and narrower. So as we get older and older the range of our heart can vary diminishes kind of like

00:27:33.750 --> 00:27:44.820 Bruce Cryer: Think of it like a muscle, the range of what your arm can do at 50 is less than 40 is less than 30 years less than 20 so the hearts of muscles. So it's also kind of contracting and slowing down, if you will.

00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.720 Bruce Cryer: So that was the concept at the time. And we said,

00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:52.110 Bruce Cryer: Yeah, we understand that's the concept at the time.

00:27:53.100 --> 00:28:04.770 Bruce Cryer: And we're not quite buying that. And so the research direct our research director. We were all sitting in the lab. I was sitting to the left of Dr. Singer who just said you cannot change the pattern of your own heart rate variability

00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:13.860 Bruce Cryer: Our research director quits electrodes on his rib cage turns around from the meeting faces his computer. We could all see his large screen.

00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:19.500 Bruce Cryer: And he he starts monitoring his own heart rate, it was clear right in front of our eyes that this was happening.

00:28:19.980 --> 00:28:27.900 Bruce Cryer: And at a certain point the pattern changes and becomes this beautiful absolutely ordered sine wave perfectly perfect order.

00:28:28.530 --> 00:28:38.640 Bruce Cryer: And before that, it was not ordered at all. It was kind of all over the place to kind of like an earthquake. So here was Dr. Singer, who had just said you cannot change the

00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:43.140 Bruce Cryer: Pattern of your heart and our research director. It wasn't some yogi off a mountain.

00:28:43.410 --> 00:28:45.060 Bruce Cryer: Or brick and regions director

00:28:46.560 --> 00:28:52.080 Bruce Cryer: And so I'm sitting there with the old sales expression in my mind. The first one who speaks loses.

00:28:54.120 --> 00:29:10.260 Bruce Cryer: The enemy. I was literally thinking winning and losing but meaning. I wasn't about to Dr. Singer. What do you think I wasn't about to say a word. I just sat there and Dr. Singer finally said he turned to his colleague that went gentlemen who brought him and he said, colon, this is significant.

00:29:11.610 --> 00:29:16.500 Bruce Cryer: As the story continues, he became a significant part of our scientific advisory board.

00:29:16.950 --> 00:29:26.010 Bruce Cryer: We co published papers with him in major medical journals that were kind of validating our basic approach to heart rate variability. So we will again, we're getting very mainstream

00:29:26.250 --> 00:29:35.430 Bruce Cryer: Publication in in very respected medical journals thanks to collaborating with them and that began a process where our research was taken seriously.

00:29:35.850 --> 00:29:43.980 Bruce Cryer: Because we were not just some group on a mountaintop somewhere with some kind of spiritual sounding ideas we were using mainstream science.

00:29:44.310 --> 00:29:53.910 Bruce Cryer: Tools getting North northwestern cardiologist and Barbara research, they don't suffer fools, that they would be only involved in something serious. So our credibility was was growing

00:29:54.420 --> 00:30:03.060 Bruce Cryer: And meanwhile, there were many other steps along the way that similarly were like another jump and when we've got an article published, go ahead and I can talk

00:30:03.300 --> 00:30:08.700 Sam Liebowitz: Yeah, I noticed. We gotta take a break. I just want to ask you real quick before we go to break,

00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:12.750 Sam Liebowitz: At what point did you feel so

00:30:14.670 --> 00:30:33.300 Sam Liebowitz: We felt you had the the the mainstream attention of of specialists and researchers. At what point did you feel like, oh, like people know about us now. Like, like we're it's much wider than just a small researchers

00:30:36.060 --> 00:30:37.080 Bruce Cryer: So I answer that now.

00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:39.600 Sam Liebowitz: Yeah, yeah, just real quick.

00:30:39.630 --> 00:30:43.080 Bruce Cryer: And just an intellectual Consumer Electronics Show 2009

00:30:44.820 --> 00:30:57.000 Bruce Cryer: And I think it happened even before them, but that especially we were entered our one of our technologies was entered as a new product and out of the hundreds of products that were entered in the Consumer Electronics Show. We won.

00:30:58.650 --> 00:31:11.490 Bruce Cryer: We won in a landslide, it was by far the most popular new product that came out that year. And that was a validation of wow, that's the Consumer Electronics Show. We're talking that is as mainstream as you can get in the world of technology.

00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:27.030 Sam Liebowitz: Okay. Wonderful. Wonderful. Okay, let's leave it there. When we come back I want to ask you about surprises and maybe some unexpected findings and and myths around the heart that that you discovered through the process. Okay.

00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:33.870 Sam Liebowitz: Sounds great. Awesome. Everybody please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity.

00:31:34.260 --> 00:31:48.960 Sam Liebowitz: And listen, if you're enjoying this interview, please share the video, share the podcast, you know, we're all over all the podcast apps, please make sure to share it with your friends and let's get this information out there and we will be right back after this

00:34:06.510 --> 00:34:16.650 Sam Liebowitz: Welcome back to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity. Just want to let you know, Bruce I was checking in with that and who introduced us just to make sure he was listening. And he said, Yes, he's enjoying it.

00:34:17.790 --> 00:34:18.090 Bruce Cryer: Great.

00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:29.070 Sam Liebowitz: Um, I'm curious like during this whole time that you're working on stuff and developing things and you're getting validation here and there.

00:34:29.460 --> 00:34:42.360 Sam Liebowitz: What were the biggest surprises along the way for you personally like what was it about like the things you discovered that really like made you take a step back and say, oh my god, I had no idea.

00:34:45.090 --> 00:35:00.120 Bruce Cryer: Yeah, there were any number of moments I think in the mid 90s when this number of researchers, especially Dr. Drew armor and in Montreal, where he was at Dalhousie and Nova Scotia actually discovered the neurons in the heart.

00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:03.840 Bruce Cryer: And realize that these neurons are functioning like a brain.

00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:12.330 Bruce Cryer: And every human being has one and it's called a heart, brain. That was pretty stunning and that was not our research, although

00:35:13.110 --> 00:35:23.820 Bruce Cryer: Dr. Armor later became part of our advisory board as well. And so somebody was was at the leading edge of uncovering a whole new dimension of the heart, never, never even kind of even imagined it away.

00:35:24.210 --> 00:35:33.630 Bruce Cryer: Although you know when you think back to ancient civilizations. There was a reverence for the heart as a source of wisdom courage intuition intelligence.

00:35:34.080 --> 00:35:42.840 Bruce Cryer: So in a way, it shouldn't shocked us that there'd be in Toronto structure that looks like a brain in everybody's heart but we didn't know that until whatever 25 years ago.

00:35:43.140 --> 00:35:44.220 Bruce Cryer: So that was pretty stunning

00:35:45.030 --> 00:35:54.870 Bruce Cryer: And that was, that was definitely a huge moment I think another one that I'll never forget, was this idea that the first sign of life is the heartbeat.

00:35:55.650 --> 00:36:01.980 Bruce Cryer: And at that moment, the fetus is not differentiated into organs, other than the heart.

00:36:03.270 --> 00:36:12.780 Bruce Cryer: In other words, is a bunch of it's billions of undifferentiated cells that will become skin cells bone cells liver cells brain cells, but none of those organs exist yet.

00:36:13.620 --> 00:36:24.270 Bruce Cryer: It's, it's, it's the fetus. It's an undifferentiated the heart is that initial signal that's the, that's the Go button to the cells, it's time to now become what you're supposed to become

00:36:25.890 --> 00:36:29.310 Bruce Cryer: That was pretty amazing so that the heartbeat is the first sign of life.

00:36:29.610 --> 00:36:30.480 Bruce Cryer: And it's the last

00:36:31.470 --> 00:36:40.590 Sam Liebowitz: What are what are some of the big myths that you feel people have around the heart and the brain that that

00:36:41.190 --> 00:36:50.760 Sam Liebowitz: Heart math has been able to actually wait before we get there, I've got, I wanted to ask you, how did, how did you guys come up with the name heart math Institute. I was very curious about that.

00:36:51.270 --> 00:37:04.710 Bruce Cryer: We would have to dive into the brain and heart of doc children to understand that question. It's, it's, he came up with it. One. One day he he told us that was the name is like, wow, that's a weird name.

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:16.380 Bruce Cryer: I had the reaction that many people do. That's, that's kind of strange. I'm not crazy about the math part but it grew on me. And then, of course, over time, it was like, this is the perfect name.

00:37:16.590 --> 00:37:23.490 Bruce Cryer: Yeah, guys. Number one is memorable and number two it crease curiosity and create some entry guy Carter and a half. That's an unusual combination

00:37:24.750 --> 00:37:26.160 Bruce Cryer: So how he came up with it.

00:37:26.610 --> 00:37:28.890 Bruce Cryer: Intuitive some intuitive insight of this

00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:42.990 Sam Liebowitz: This is no problem. I was just curious. Okay, so what is some of the big myths that you think people have around the heart and the mind and the brain that that you, the research that that you were part of really exposed

00:37:43.890 --> 00:37:47.250 Bruce Cryer: I think the most fundamental is this notion that the hardest just to pump.

00:37:48.060 --> 00:37:49.140 Bruce Cryer: And that's been with

00:37:49.230 --> 00:37:59.250 Bruce Cryer: With Western science for over 150 years at least since to Descartes was was in charge and telling us that, you know, things were the heart was a fantastic machine.

00:37:59.850 --> 00:38:15.750 Bruce Cryer: But that's all. So it was an amazing pump incredibly complex pump, but that's it, which flew in the face of every major spiritual system every major ancient medical system. THE HOT CHOCOLATE, THE HEARTS revered absolutely revered in Chinese medicine, it's not

00:38:16.020 --> 00:38:22.710 Bruce Cryer: Thought of is just a pump heartily the hearts, seen as intelligent. So we were up against both the

00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:37.170 Bruce Cryer: Collective cultural belief that that was true, the heart just pump and therefore, why would you care about it other than its role as a pump. You wouldn't think of, you know, doing things from your heart. You wouldn't think of following your heart, follow your pump.

00:38:38.310 --> 00:38:39.000 Bruce Cryer: So it's like

00:38:39.060 --> 00:38:51.690 Bruce Cryer: That whole concept of listen to heart. Listen to what makes your heart sing that that view of the hearts, just a pump kind of says, well, well that that heart sing thing that's poetic romantic but get down to earth now.

00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:53.670 Bruce Cryer: The harshest upon this

00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:55.620 Bruce Cryer: Bag this poetic romantic

00:38:55.680 --> 00:39:09.210 Sam Liebowitz: It's definitely not. It's definitely not they think I heard it, I believe this came from heart, man. I'm not sure that the the electromagnetic field that the heart generates is like six times the size of the brain.

00:39:10.140 --> 00:39:28.290 Bruce Cryer: And even more at the electrical output of the heart the signal produced is about 60 times stronger than the electrical signal produced by the brain. So as we unfold it our research, we began to see the heart as kind of the main power plant electrically and magnetically

00:39:28.680 --> 00:39:30.690 Bruce Cryer: With the brain being more of a substation

00:39:31.080 --> 00:39:44.310 Bruce Cryer: Um, and electrically and magnetically magnetically it's hundreds of times, if not thousands of times stronger magnetically than what the brains putting out so that the dominant electrical and magnetic signal the body by far is what's what the hearts generating

00:39:45.330 --> 00:39:50.160 Bruce Cryer: And then we discovered that, and guess what the skin doesn't stop that signal.

00:39:50.520 --> 00:39:54.780 Bruce Cryer: Yeah, so that signal its electrical signal, it passes through things like skin.

00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:00.090 Bruce Cryer: Walls and so it can be measured feet many feet away from the body.

00:40:00.540 --> 00:40:09.480 Bruce Cryer: And then we tied in. Okay, so this is all related to our emotion, because the field that's created by our heart with every beat of our heart.

00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:17.880 Bruce Cryer: Is absolutely affected and integrated with the emotions that would feeling so the hearts like a broadcaster of what we're feeling so

00:40:18.600 --> 00:40:27.540 Sam Liebowitz: And you guys were the ones who figured out that like gratitude that when you're in a state of gratitude or appreciation, that's when it's like the highest frequency. If I, if I remember properly.

00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:32.760 Bruce Cryer: I don't know that I would call it the highest frequency there many frequencies of the heart.

00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.650 Bruce Cryer: Yeah. And so, I mean, the gratitude is a particularly powerful magnetic

00:40:38.010 --> 00:40:40.440 Bruce Cryer: As I mean I think in our life experience when

00:40:40.680 --> 00:40:52.170 Bruce Cryer: Somebody expresses deep gratitude to it can change your state like very few other things right and when you can you can be depressed or anxious and then suddenly

00:40:53.220 --> 00:41:04.230 Bruce Cryer: Have gratitude for the glory of a sunrise and completely changes your, your perspective in your body and your biochemistry and everything. So it's a very powerful quality and

00:41:05.010 --> 00:41:14.970 Bruce Cryer: We talked about it a lot and did a lot of research around gratitude and appreciation, because we feel it. We always felt it was it was quite accessible to many people.

00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:18.870 Bruce Cryer: You can usually find something to appreciate, even if it's vanilla gelato.

00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:26.070 Bruce Cryer: I mean, even if it's not something more meaningful. You can usually find something. Oh, I love that. At least I have that

00:41:27.510 --> 00:41:28.290 Bruce Cryer: Festival. What is

00:41:28.410 --> 00:41:38.910 Sam Liebowitz: This is like such a fascinating area thing to be involved with, um, are you still involved with the institute or did you leave it a while ago. I mean, now that you're back here on the east coast.

00:41:39.090 --> 00:41:51.510 Bruce Cryer: Yeah, so in 2009 to 2011 I went through a lot of health issues bladder cancer surgery immunotherapy treatment to make sure the cancer didn't return

00:41:51.900 --> 00:42:06.090 Bruce Cryer: I got staph infections from the immunotherapy treatments and the staff kind of my blood, which is life threatening. So I'll be dealing with all of this in about a six, seven month period it finally got taken care of all of that and now more than 10 years cancer free

00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:06.930 Sam Liebowitz: Day.

00:42:07.170 --> 00:42:16.080 Bruce Cryer: 10 years staph infection free. I also had to have both hips replaced because that had been an issue going on before the cancer. And now that was getting worse.

00:42:16.470 --> 00:42:29.730 Bruce Cryer: And I couldn't ignore that anymore. And meanwhile, my mother passed away and my marriage was was kind of shaky. So a lot was going on in a very short amount of time and in in in the many hours of

00:42:30.750 --> 00:42:41.760 Bruce Cryer: Waiting recovering getting treated, whatever the process different phases that I was in throughout this two year period, there was a lot of reflection time a lot of

00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:52.230 Bruce Cryer: What's this telling me what's this series of things, telling me about my life and where I need to go next. And increasingly, I began to realize there was some unmet or on on

00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:04.860 Bruce Cryer: unappreciated aspects of myself that I was not expressing and that was a more creative side to me. I had been an actor. I had been a singer I had been artistic I'd had a smaller business in the city, even in the 70s.

00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:12.420 Bruce Cryer: And I wasn't doing any of that anymore. And I was managing meetings and managing a company and traveling around all over the world and and whatnot.

00:43:12.690 --> 00:43:18.000 Bruce Cryer: And a lot of it was extremely fulfilling. So none of this story should should sound like I'm grateful.

00:43:18.600 --> 00:43:32.430 Bruce Cryer: For the life that I had had let alone the contribution, I made, but I realized something also was missing. So, it led me to to to step away. I still teach it next week I'm teaching a two part course at Stanford on heart math.

00:43:33.150 --> 00:43:34.950 Bruce Cryer: You know I never stopped teaching at Stanford.

00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:40.200 Bruce Cryer: I just completed a course that the New York open center in June that was part of heart math and part creativity.

00:43:41.070 --> 00:43:45.090 Bruce Cryer: Next weekend. I'm teaching a course to this new Graduate Institute where I am now the president

00:43:45.720 --> 00:43:49.080 Bruce Cryer: It'll be part heart math and prior creativity. So I teach it all the time.

00:43:49.770 --> 00:43:53.700 Bruce Cryer: I have coaching clients that they only work I do with them is hard math.

00:43:54.180 --> 00:43:56.160 Bruce Cryer: But I'm not in the organization.

00:43:56.820 --> 00:43:59.070 Bruce Cryer: In any kind of in any formal role.

00:43:59.310 --> 00:44:12.360 Sam Liebowitz: Right, so let's leave things there for the moment is our last break of the show. When we come back, let's talk about like what are you doing now. How are you working with people and then we'll finish off with, you know, letting people know how to get in touch with you. Okay, Bruce.

00:44:12.630 --> 00:44:24.750 Sam Liebowitz: Fantastic, wonderful. So everyone please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity do this every Thursday 12 noon to 1pm Eastern and speaking this hour with Bruce Cryer

00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:30.000 Sam Liebowitz: One of the founding members of the heart math Institute and we will be right back after this

00:46:24.150 --> 00:46:29.070 Sam Liebowitz: Welcome back to the conscious consultant. Our awakening humanity, we've been speaking with

00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:43.230 Sam Liebowitz: Team for heart math Institute and it's been a few years. So, so, Bruce. What are you working on now. Like, like, what is it that occupies most of your time these days.

00:46:44.550 --> 00:46:58.800 Bruce Cryer: Well as of six weeks ago I became president of a marvelous institution in Connecticut, called the Graduate Institute, and it's a 20 year old organization that has been a degree granting institution around holistic studies.

00:46:59.220 --> 00:47:00.420 Bruce Cryer: So we have programs.

00:47:01.080 --> 00:47:17.820 Bruce Cryer: That to sort of flagship one is called Integrative health and healing, which is a beautiful program with some amazing faculty from around the world. And this is the second one. That's also preeminent in our universe is called learning and thinking and largely our audience has been

00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:28.230 Bruce Cryer: Useful in health care nurses other health professionals and teachers, and although it's open to anyone, and we have business people and we have coaches and we have all kinds of people that

00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:44.610 Bruce Cryer: Visit our programs. Now we're online completely as our most institutions, but it's a very rich set of programs, some of which can lead to an MBA and masters. If you choose to do that others are certificate programs, etc. So I'm the CEO as of six weeks ago.

00:47:45.030 --> 00:48:04.860 Bruce Cryer: So it's been a learning curve and a delight, because it's a world that I've lived in for so many years is a holistic studies has been since I was a teenager for me and professionally for 40 years almost yeah 40 so I love all that. And in my as I was actually in heart man in 2011

00:48:06.630 --> 00:48:19.620 Bruce Cryer: The, the urge to be creative. Again, as I mentioned before the break was getting stronger and it led to me, deciding I needed to sing again and that led me to realizing I actually could dance again even though I now had titanium hips.

00:48:20.070 --> 00:48:24.330 Bruce Cryer: And in fact, I could dance really well because now I have titanium is everybody else.

00:48:25.860 --> 00:48:26.640 Sam Liebowitz: That's really what

00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:35.340 Bruce Cryer: Exactly the hips are no longer a problem. Now I've got like super strong, powerful hips. I just now. I had to get the muscles and ligaments back in shape.

00:48:36.330 --> 00:48:45.840 Bruce Cryer: And my, my love of photography blossom then blossomed and lost them, then this this whole trajectory began again of diving deep into my own creative nature and

00:48:46.080 --> 00:48:57.240 Bruce Cryer: Kind of embracing the fact that I am one creative person whether I want to admit it or not. I just am and if I'm not involved in the creative process in significant ways my life feels less full

00:48:57.690 --> 00:49:01.170 Bruce Cryer: And I feel like I'm not able to do whatever I do as fully

00:49:01.590 --> 00:49:12.540 Bruce Cryer: So the journey continued and people started saying you like a renaissance man you recover from all these life threatening things and your, your creative again and you're singing. Great. Your dances all this stuff.

00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:21.120 Bruce Cryer: And Renaissance man capturing that and Renaissance man. That should be the name of the should write a book about this. Oh, wait a minute, half the world's population will relate to that.

00:49:21.870 --> 00:49:28.770 Bruce Cryer: Old Fashioned term. And I thought of Renaissance human that's human. Wow. That sounds really fun. That sounds very modern.

00:49:29.100 --> 00:49:39.660 Bruce Cryer: But also an honoring of beauty, etc. So I've been developing a whole set of content around that and and I approached Stanford right already been teaching for almost 20 years

00:49:40.110 --> 00:49:55.170 Bruce Cryer: In their Employee Wellness program. And I said, Look, I'd like to create a course around this idea of rebirth and creativity and link it to well being and let's offer it through the wellness program they loved it. They fast tracked it next week, I start my eighth cohort on Monday.

00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:09.690 Bruce Cryer: It's become a very popular course through the Employee Wellness of Stanford it's open to the public as well. So this idea of kind of the, the, the, the expression and embodiment of the full your full creative nature has become a huge passion for me.

00:50:10.230 --> 00:50:12.180 Bruce Cryer: I didn't expect the part of how I would

00:50:12.240 --> 00:50:15.390 Bruce Cryer: Need to channel it would be into an institution is academic

00:50:15.690 --> 00:50:17.670 Bruce Cryer: Medicine, but really interesting. The last six months.

00:50:17.730 --> 00:50:21.780 Bruce Cryer: It's six weeks to feel a lot of creative energy in me.

00:50:22.410 --> 00:50:26.130 Bruce Cryer: And now I'm applying it to how a department runs how meetings run

00:50:26.220 --> 00:50:32.550 Bruce Cryer: You have a strategic plan gets built and feels so similar, in a certain way. So that's become a passion.

00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:49.470 Sam Liebowitz: Really, it sounds like a wonderful example of focus on the what and not the how, like what it was that you wanted to do was really to work more with creativity. But it sounds like you open into that how the mechanism of it.

00:50:49.470 --> 00:50:59.100 Sam Liebowitz: Yes. And it just you. It's very much creative, but it's applying it through a venue that you wouldn't normally think of quite as quite as creative as

00:50:59.220 --> 00:51:06.960 Bruce Cryer: Well, and there was a seminal moment for me where I said something out loud, and as I heard myself say that I thought that is interesting. I think I need to make a marker race.

00:51:08.010 --> 00:51:09.870 Bruce Cryer: And the statement was

00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:12.480 Bruce Cryer: I'm loving being a learner again.

00:51:13.260 --> 00:51:16.650 Bruce Cryer: And I, when I said that I realized for the last 25 years

00:51:17.070 --> 00:51:25.800 Bruce Cryer: I had been a leader of an organization and a leader in the world, to some degree, and that means some major leader but you know I was seen as a leader because of this organization.

00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:36.930 Bruce Cryer: I was a teacher, all the time. I had as I was stepping away from the CEO role and a calculated. I've done over 2000 presentations on heart math by that point I was

00:51:36.990 --> 00:51:40.050 Bruce Cryer: Teaching and sharing all the time and

00:51:40.170 --> 00:51:46.560 Bruce Cryer: There wasn't a lot of time to explore other things I never went to excellent till about six years ago.

00:51:47.220 --> 00:51:55.230 Bruce Cryer: A friends of my would say, wait a minute, you are you actually a millennial or you just acted like a millennial because there's no way you never went to estimate all those years.

00:51:55.530 --> 00:52:01.650 Bruce Cryer: I said I was I was completely absorbed and building a mission in building a helping build humanity episode.

00:52:02.580 --> 00:52:13.230 Bruce Cryer: So I realized I really want to be a learner again and I feel like there's so much for me still, to learn about life about myself and and things that as I learned those things, some of them. I'm sure I can share

00:52:13.530 --> 00:52:28.320 Bruce Cryer: And it could be helpful to others who who have that same urge and then of course Kobe to happens and so many people have felt like I'm stuck in this world, it's it's feel so restricted from what I'm used to. And, but then smart people are saying, but it's what is

00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:29.460 Bruce Cryer: So we can

00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:46.530 Bruce Cryer: rail against the man who's forcing us or we can say, wait a minute. I've still have so much choice. Actually, and it's still up to me how I use every moment every thought, every action. So as a part of why the this attraction to the creativity work that I've gotten into has been

00:52:46.770 --> 00:52:48.120 Bruce Cryer: Stronger to it's been

00:52:48.390 --> 00:52:49.770 Bruce Cryer: It's been fun very fun.

00:52:50.190 --> 00:52:57.480 Sam Liebowitz: I'm curious. You've had such an interesting life so far. And you've been exposed to so many like leading edge stuff.

00:52:58.200 --> 00:53:13.590 Sam Liebowitz: And you've gone through, obviously, you know, cancer is no small thing you've gone through amazing challenges. How has what you've learned over the years really served you to get through those challenges.

00:53:16.470 --> 00:53:19.080 Bruce Cryer: And thank you for asking that question.

00:53:21.240 --> 00:53:29.850 Bruce Cryer: Several times during that period when I was dealing with all the house if somebody would come up to me, a friend, family member, a doctor and nurse and would say

00:53:30.810 --> 00:53:40.920 Bruce Cryer: You're looking really good. I thought you'd be I thought, I thought you'd be handling this worse than you are, or you know you're looking so much better than I was expecting. You know, things like that. It's kind of a weird compliment

00:53:41.310 --> 00:53:48.030 Bruce Cryer: But like how bad did you think I was gonna look. Guess I'm not exactly happy ladder surgery. I mean, come on now.

00:53:49.560 --> 00:53:56.040 Bruce Cryer: But in the end, as they reflected on this, I realized this, there was a compliment in here because

00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.310 Bruce Cryer: What was being basically said what I understood was I have

00:53:59.670 --> 00:54:01.320 Bruce Cryer: a surprising amount of resilience

00:54:01.740 --> 00:54:07.440 Bruce Cryer: People are like, surprised, like you're you're walking after hip surgery and you're looking really happy like

00:54:08.310 --> 00:54:10.050 Bruce Cryer: And you're seriously drugged out. So, okay.

00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:22.440 Bruce Cryer: But anyhow, this resilience feeling was, was I have a core that I developed through my own work and all the teaching that I did of the heart math tools that is

00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:32.460 Bruce Cryer: A core of rubber, if you will, rubber, in the sense of resilient flexible and able to flex with life and and I think that's one of the qualities that is maybe most

00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:37.470 Bruce Cryer: Notable without being

00:54:38.220 --> 00:54:52.770 Bruce Cryer: Most notable about me is that things, things that would take out other people or would have taken me out and other phases of my life now. It's like pretty quick. It's like, okay, how do we deal with this. How do we and and especially now, having gone through all that I went through.

00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:53.940 Bruce Cryer: Now it's like

00:54:54.270 --> 00:54:59.130 Bruce Cryer: If an email really upsets me just hide my higher self says, dude, seriously.

00:54:59.670 --> 00:55:01.500 Bruce Cryer: You get over this.

00:55:01.740 --> 00:55:11.220 Bruce Cryer: And you have conquered things so much bigger in life threatening then then then this there. Come on, dude, you're, you're, you're bigger than this. So,

00:55:11.310 --> 00:55:14.430 Bruce Cryer: I think the sense of power of the heart is

00:55:14.460 --> 00:55:16.050 Bruce Cryer: It's been huge for me.

00:55:17.580 --> 00:55:26.970 Sam Liebowitz: Yeah, yeah. That's amazing. That's amazing. And especially now in today where we live in such an uncertain time. I mean like nobody knows with Mars ring.

00:55:27.270 --> 00:55:42.900 Sam Liebowitz: being flexible and being just open to what will be and not sort of resisting it like you mentioned before is is what we need to how we what we need to embody right now in order to really thrive in the environment we find ourselves in.

00:55:43.470 --> 00:55:59.880 Bruce Cryer: Many times in my journey. And this has happened in the last six months to but I would say less lesser degree, there would be times of just like what am I doing, I don't know where I don't know what the next step is supposed to be. This is not turning out like I was hoping or expecting

00:56:00.930 --> 00:56:06.360 Bruce Cryer: I clearly am not clear what to do next. And my higher self would say

00:56:10.080 --> 00:56:11.310 Bruce Cryer: But you know how to love.

00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.610 Bruce Cryer: Um, you know how to put love out to people.

00:56:15.870 --> 00:56:22.080 Bruce Cryer: You know how to love that person who is almost done badly got it worse than you. You know how to do that. So just do that.

00:56:23.220 --> 00:56:38.430 Bruce Cryer: If it is too hard to figure out. Because what isn't impossible to figure out right now. I mean, come on. Anybody who talks with any certainty about anything if people ask me, what are your goals for the next year. Okay. What time is it 1215. My goal is to get to one o'clock.

00:56:39.660 --> 00:56:42.150 Bruce Cryer: Once I successfully do that I'm shooting for two

00:56:43.980 --> 00:56:48.480 Bruce Cryer: All the way to four is my next goal I might get really ambitious but it's like being in the moment, man.

00:56:48.990 --> 00:56:59.250 Bruce Cryer: Because there's so much uncertainties and being the heart, being the in the heart of the moment, and just put as much love as you can to yourself, especially, let alone to everybody else. We're all having a rough time

00:56:59.430 --> 00:56:59.970 Sam Liebowitz: Yeah.

00:57:00.180 --> 00:57:03.240 Bruce Cryer: Yeah, I have. I days that are really challenging. Yeah.

00:57:03.270 --> 00:57:18.840 Sam Liebowitz: Beautiful, beautiful. Thank you. Thank you, a beautiful way to end this conversation. So if people want to learn about like your coaching programs or what you up what you're up to. Is there a website. Is there some way for people to contact you.

00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:25.470 Bruce Cryer: Yeah, absolutely. I'm basically my name everywhere. So Bruce crier calm is the website.

00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:43.500 Bruce Cryer: Facebook Bruce crier Instagram Bruce crier LinkedIn Bruce crier Twitter Bruce Grier I do want to give the shout out to my my new loves, which are the Graduate Institute, the URL for that. I don't know how we got it 20 years ago learn that edu learn

00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:53.700 Bruce Cryer: That's our that's our URL, you will not forget that learn that edu check us out. So it's marvelous organization wonderful stuff. So that's, that's how to find me.

00:57:54.540 --> 00:58:01.590 Sam Liebowitz: Beautiful. I just want to let you know that we've been getting a lot of love on the Facebook Live stream. I've been seeing a lot of hearts flying

00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:11.580 Sam Liebowitz: And William posted about how he had a doctor's appointment and he did his heart math exercises and his blood pressure went down to like one a weight and 70 over 74

00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:15.090 Sam Liebowitz: And these oxygen level was like 97 and

00:58:15.210 --> 00:58:15.570 Bruce Cryer: Wow.

00:58:15.690 --> 00:58:24.570 Sam Liebowitz: Awesome. Eddie like really want said she wants to learn. So thank you. Bruce I really appreciate you taking the time out of your schedule to come on the show today. It's been a

00:58:24.570 --> 00:58:25.650 Sam Liebowitz: pleasure having you

00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.450 Bruce Cryer: My pleasure, Sam. It's been a delight to get to know you a little bit in this in this hour.

00:58:30.870 --> 00:58:43.110 Sam Liebowitz: Absolutely, absolutely. And hey, you know, once the this lockdown is over, and then we're able to meet in person when you're in New York City. Next, please let me know. I'd love to get together by a cup of tea and

00:58:43.770 --> 00:58:46.590 Sam Liebowitz: Get more we could talk for hours.

00:58:47.190 --> 00:58:48.180 Bruce Cryer: No problem.

00:58:49.350 --> 00:58:50.430 Bruce Cryer: No lack of ideas.

00:58:50.700 --> 00:58:52.200 Bruce Cryer: And yes, to share. Thank you

00:58:52.710 --> 00:58:57.420 Sam Liebowitz: Lily, I believe me, I have lots of topics we didn't even have time to touch upon that I would love to.

00:58:58.080 --> 00:59:10.620 Sam Liebowitz: Share and thank you Patty William all my loyal listeners for tuning in today. I really appreciate you. Stay tuned. Next up is can foster news show of voices of courage.

00:59:11.100 --> 00:59:23.610 Sam Liebowitz: followed later today by Antonia and her show. So now you know in this evening. Graham Dobbins and the show the mind behind leadership. Thank you all for tuning in. And we will talk to you next week.