Rediscovering New York

Tuesday, August 4, 2020

2020/08/04 - The New York City Subway

[NEW EPISODE] The New York City Subway

On this week’s show we will journey underground, and a little above ground, as we explore the New York City Subway: its history, and its art!

 My guests will be returning guest and Rediscovering New York regular Justin Rivers, Chief Experience Officer and Lead Tour Guide for Untapped New York, and Phil Desiere, Founder and Owner of Walkabout New York.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Jeff explains that tonight’s show will focus on the New York subway’s history and art, and introduces his first guest, Justin Rivers, Chief Experience Officer for Untapped New York and Founding Director of the Character Connection Initiative. Jeff asks how Justin got into sharing New York history. Justin says he was teaching middle school on the Lower East Side of Manhattan and his students hated history, so he started taking them out into the city to see it in real life. Jeff and Justin begin talking about the subway, describing how New York was later than most major cities to adopt a subway system. Alfred Eli Beach independently creates a one-block subway with Boss Tweed’s pneumatics patent and charges 25 cents a ride as something of a novelty.


Before the subway, there were above ground trains. In the 1870's to early 1900's, private owners owned many of these elevated lines.  Underground subways were built because these above ground lines were not functional in inclement weather. The first subway line was commissioned in 1889 and the Interborough Rapid Transit Company was formed. In 1904, the first subway opened.


Segment 2

Jeff asks, what was the first subway line? It started under City Hall Park, under the current 456 Line to Grand Central, through the shuttle line, up the 123 Line to Harlem. The express system was available the first day it opened, and New York was the first city in the world to have a 24/7 subway system open from the system’s conception. The original IRT stations were artful and pleasant, but small compared to today’s standards and could not adequately accommodate the city’s demand. In the 1940's through 1960's they enlarged the tracks and stations. The original City Hall train station, beautifully designed, was closed in 1945 because it was too small.


By 1908, the subway lines started to expand out into the Bronx and Brooklyn. Many neighborhoods began to populate around subway stops. The Brooklyn Manhattan Transit Company, or the BMT, opened up in 1915 with the W, J, and Z lines. The Nassau Tunnel to Brooklyn was completed in 1930.


The third system, the city-owned Independent Line (IND), was started in the 1920's with the idea that the city would take control of the subway system.  This line contained the A, B, C, D, E, and F to service areas that weren’t reached by the BMT and IRT. The city bought up the BMT and IRT lines in the 1940's because their contracts with the city were unprofitable. They then took down all elevated subway lines except for the Second Avenue train.


Segment 3

Jeff introduces his second guest, Phil Desiere, founder and owner of Walkabout New York, a licensed tour guide by the Department of Consumer Affairs, and a member of the guides Association of New York City. He focuses on NYC art and architecture history informed by his past in graphic design. Phil leads 5 different subway art tours and knows much about the art history of the subway.


He explains that from the beginning, the subway was meant to be beautiful. The time period the subway was born in had a concept called City Beautiful, which was carried underground to the subway. You can still find Art Noveau bows, at Astor Place there are terracotta beavers. These symbols were helpful because many subway riders were not literate or did not speak English. Art served as memorable markers at stops, representing both identification and beautification. In the 1980s, the “percent law” was passed saying that 1% of a construction budget must go towards art. All subway lines built after this time have beautiful artwork.


Segment 4

Jeff asks, what is the process for selecting artists for the subway system? Phil explains there is an MTA department called MTA Arts & Design, staffed by trained artists. These artists will evaluate possible subway artists during the renovation of a subway stop or line. Artists are approached to submit a design idea. Today, ceramic mosaics, porcelain tiles, terracotta, bronze, other metals, and some stained glass are typically used for subway art because of their durability. Out of 472 stations, about 50% contain artwork – an art museum at the core of the Apple.


Jeff asks what Phil’s favorite art installations are in the subway. Phil says his all time favorite is on the IND line ACE at 14th and 8th. There are bronze figurines scattered throughout the station, which he includes on his subway art tour #1. The 2nd Avenue subway line at 72nd street has a piece called Perfect Strangers and the only nonpolitical representation of gay men in the subway system. At the stop for the 9/11 Memorial & Museum, there are beautiful handmade tiles in the subway stop, including a depiction of the original Twin Towers.


00:00:53.340 --> 00:01:03.810 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone. Welcome to our listeners and the Big Apple from across the US and around the world. I'm Jeff Goodman on the tail end of a hurricane in the city. And this is rediscovering New York

00:01:04.710 --> 00:01:14.820 Jeff Goodman: Professionally, I'm a real estate broker with hosted real estate and I love New York rediscovering New York is a weekly program about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city.

00:01:15.810 --> 00:01:25.770 Jeff Goodman: And we do it through interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists local musicians and artists and the occasional elected official

00:01:27.180 --> 00:01:35.730 Jeff Goodman: On some shows we focus on an individual New York neighborhood exploring its history and its current energy. What makes that particular New York neighborhood special

00:01:36.600 --> 00:01:44.340 Jeff Goodman: Sometimes like tonight we host shows about an interesting invited color. The city in its history. That's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:45.090 --> 00:01:54.720 Jeff Goodman: Prior episodes is covered topics as diverse and illuminating as American presidents who came from lived in or had some history here in the city, about half of them, believe it or not.

00:01:55.500 --> 00:02:03.540 Jeff Goodman: The history of women activists and women's suffrage movement in the city, which now we're celebrating the hundredth anniversary of women's suffrage in the United States.

00:02:04.260 --> 00:02:11.850 Jeff Goodman: African American History in New York, going back to the time of the Dutch we've covered the history of the city's LGBT community and the gay rights movement.

00:02:12.660 --> 00:02:18.090 Jeff Goodman: We've explored the history of bicycles, the history of punk and Opera in the city. They were separate episodes, by the way.

00:02:18.780 --> 00:02:29.880 Jeff Goodman: Our public library systems. We have three leave it to New York, we don't have one or two, but we have three public library systems we've covered some of our greatest train stations and even some of our bridges.

00:02:30.900 --> 00:02:37.980 Jeff Goodman: After the broadcast each show is available on podcast. You can hear us on iTunes Spotify SoundCloud Stitcher and other services.

00:02:39.150 --> 00:02:46.800 Jeff Goodman: Tonight we are having one of those special episodes and we're journeying underground and sometimes overground to the subway.

00:02:48.330 --> 00:02:57.870 Jeff Goodman: The subway in New York, where do we start with it. It's something that many New Yorkers. Have I wouldn't say a love hate relationship with but a utilitarian hate relationship with

00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:07.500 Jeff Goodman: It helps us get where we want to go frequently quickly, but not always. Sometimes, depending on the dime of time of day and also can be fun to take

00:03:08.580 --> 00:03:15.150 Jeff Goodman: But frequently people don't like taking it, but people do before coven daily ridership was almost 6 million

00:03:15.750 --> 00:03:28.980 Jeff Goodman: Which actually is a greater number of people than live in any city in the United States, aside from New York itself, by the way, New York City. We have 8.6 million people living in the five boroughs and we have around 19 million people living in the metro area.

00:03:30.330 --> 00:03:36.600 Jeff Goodman: For some of us, especially growing up like yours truly the subway was a door to new horizons of new fan freedoms.

00:03:37.050 --> 00:03:42.180 Jeff Goodman: Being able to get anywhere in the city as a teenager for a reasonable fair and also in good timing.

00:03:43.050 --> 00:03:55.260 Jeff Goodman: Even today for $2 and 75 cents. You can travel from the top of the Bronx to Coney Island or from Rockaway to the top of Manhattan. And both of those trips. You can do it on a single subway line.

00:03:56.430 --> 00:04:04.290 Jeff Goodman: And unlike other systems. The Fair is the same when I lived in London as a student in the early 80s. It was shocking to find out that I had to pay as far as I went and I couldn't just go

00:04:05.580 --> 00:04:15.210 Jeff Goodman: And go anywhere, sometime. Maybe I'll tell a story about how I took advantage of the system. I was living there and got further than I was entitled to get on my fair

00:04:17.010 --> 00:04:29.940 Jeff Goodman: The subway is such an integral part of life in our city, tonight we're going to focus on two things about the subway not its present experiences for the most part, although a little, we're going to talk about the subways history and also it's art.

00:04:31.470 --> 00:04:38.310 Jeff Goodman: Our first guest is Justin rivers Justin is the chief experience officer and lead tour guide for untapped New York

00:04:39.090 --> 00:04:50.640 Jeff Goodman: Justin started his career as a New York City middle school English and language arts teacher on the Lower East Side. He dragged his students to historic sites across the city in an effort to bring the city's lesser known stories to life.

00:04:51.780 --> 00:04:57.180 Jeff Goodman: He became co creator of the one to city or graphic novel that reimagines New York City's entire history.

00:04:57.960 --> 00:05:05.640 Jeff Goodman: He was also the playwright and producer of the eternal space and off Broadway play that centered on the demolition of New York City's Pennsylvania station.

00:05:06.330 --> 00:05:18.630 Jeff Goodman: Was this production and one simple tweet that he fell head over heels for untapped New York, whom he partnered with for his remnants of Penn Station tour which I have yet to do, but I've promised the tour of Penn Station. How many times have I said that Justin waking

00:05:19.440 --> 00:05:19.920 Jeff Goodman: Up along

00:05:22.950 --> 00:05:28.200 Jeff Goodman: Along with his role as chief experience officer Justin is the founding director of the character connection initiative.

00:05:28.740 --> 00:05:33.450 Jeff Goodman: It's a nonprofit organization that connects character education and mindfulness to middle school curriculum.

00:05:34.170 --> 00:05:41.760 Jeff Goodman: He's also creator and lead tour guide for some of untapped New York's popular tours, including the underground tour of the subway funny. We're talking about that tonight.

00:05:42.270 --> 00:05:52.050 Jeff Goodman: The remnants of Dutch New Amsterdam, the secrets of the Brooklyn Bridge, the remnants of the World's Fair and flushing meadow, the secrets of Coney Island maritime history of New York.

00:05:52.440 --> 00:06:03.330 Jeff Goodman: The Hidden gems of Rafael dos de vino tour and the art and the New York City subway tour of which our second guest will be talking more at length, Justin, a hearty welcome back to rediscovering New York

00:06:04.020 --> 00:06:05.640 Untapped New York: Hardy. Hello, Jeff. Good to be here.

00:06:06.450 --> 00:06:08.370 Jeff Goodman: You're originally from the metro area, aren't you

00:06:08.730 --> 00:06:27.060 Untapped New York: I am, yes, I, I always say, I grew up in the shadow of New York about 25 miles outside and northern New Jersey and came to Fordham University as a 18 year old to start college and never came back. So now officially at 41 years old. I've lived more years in New York than I have in New Jersey.

00:06:29.280 --> 00:06:35.400 Jeff Goodman: So I grew up in Brooklyn, clean, but eventually I will have clocked more years in Manhattan and Brooklyn, although I don't know when that's going to be, it's going to be a while.

00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:45.150 Jeff Goodman: Um, so, Justin was being a teacher on the Lower East Side, of all places that got you hooked into sharing. What's special about New York and its history with other people. Yeah.

00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:54.360 Untapped New York: I had a bunch of sixth, seventh, and eighth graders, which is anywhere from 12 to 14 and they hated history and social studies they thought it was boring and

00:06:54.750 --> 00:07:01.200 Untapped New York: I said you guys live in the most history dense area of the United States here on the Lower East Side. Lower Manhattan. So I dragged him out to the streets.

00:07:01.740 --> 00:07:08.340 Untapped New York: And showed him living history and they they loved it. After that, so I was like I might be something to this. I might have a formula here.

00:07:09.630 --> 00:07:12.060 Jeff Goodman: I don't think I ever asked you, How long are you a teacher for

00:07:13.050 --> 00:07:23.400 Untapped New York: I was an in classroom teacher teaching English Language Arts and Social Studies, which is history for six years on Lori's side. Then I transitioned into being a

00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:35.010 Untapped New York: Teacher that would go into different classrooms all over the Bronx and Manhattan teaching social emotional learning for another seven years and then transitioned out to untapped and what I do now.

00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:38.160 Untapped New York: 14 years almost. Well,

00:07:38.910 --> 00:07:49.200 Jeff Goodman: Um, is there anything you miss about teaching in the classroom that you don't get to experience when you share the city's amazing history and it's amazing places with people on a professional business.

00:07:49.380 --> 00:07:59.460 Untapped New York: Yeah, and I mean it's this is going to sound extremely schmaltzy but it's very true. If you're an educator, I would say for the right reasons is I really do miss getting kids excited about things because

00:07:59.760 --> 00:08:09.780 Untapped New York: It's a, it's great when you're on a tour and adults adults pay to come on the tour and they want to listen to you but kids don't want to listen to you. And if you make them listen to you. You know, you've done something right

00:08:10.380 --> 00:08:15.600 Untapped New York: So it's always clicking with kids that way. I missed that on almost a daily basis. So

00:08:16.740 --> 00:08:22.770 Jeff Goodman: Now as you in our second guest fill this year do you actually do that. But on a different on a different level.

00:08:23.130 --> 00:08:24.720 Untapped New York: Totally, which I love.

00:08:25.710 --> 00:08:33.240 Jeff Goodman: And speaking of level that takes us to the subway, but the beloved New York City subway, especially in the summertime.

00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:48.360 Jeff Goodman: Well, thank goodness. Now it's mostly air conditioned, the air conditioning kept breaking down when I was growing up during this and well I when I started taking the subway in the 70s, um, would you say that we had a precursor to the New York City subway in terms of real transit.

00:08:49.020 --> 00:08:54.630 Untapped New York: I would like, you know, New York, always sort of hangs its head in shame because it was very late to the subway game.

00:08:55.350 --> 00:09:04.800 Untapped New York: In the 20th century, early 20th century, but London had an underground before we did and Budapest had an underground and Paris and even Boston and Chicago had something before we did

00:09:05.250 --> 00:09:15.510 Untapped New York: But we had really great stories before that, which is what New York is good for. So, I believe, on one of our previous podcasts, I talked about the Atlantic Avenue tunnel. When we did Cobble Hill.

00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:27.900 Untapped New York: There is a tunnel. The first subterranean train tunnel was New York 1844 runs under Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. It was discovered in the 1980s again after being sealed off.

00:09:28.650 --> 00:09:37.740 Untapped New York: And by Bob diamond, who was the guy was bringing people down there till 2009. It was one of the most unique New York tours that was part of the Brooklyn.

00:09:38.430 --> 00:09:48.270 Untapped New York: Jamaica railroad, which would become the LIRR so that was number one, but the, I think the greatest pre subway subway story takes place in lower Manhattan.

00:09:48.630 --> 00:10:02.280 Untapped New York: There was a subway that ran for a block under Broadway between Murray and Warren streets and it was done by numismatics and a guy named Alfred Eli beach, who was the 18 year old publisher Scientific American, the magazine still on the stands today.

00:10:02.670 --> 00:10:03.930 Jeff Goodman: It was 18 years old.

00:10:04.050 --> 00:10:07.080 Untapped New York: He was 18 years old when he took over. He didn't start the magazine.

00:10:07.170 --> 00:10:14.550 Untapped New York: Another scientists did but about a year into it. That guy said, I hate publishing. I don't want to do this and he turned it over to Alfred Eli beach

00:10:15.390 --> 00:10:20.460 Untapped New York: It was a smarty pants. He was from New England but it comes to New York. He's patent office or scientists tinker.

00:10:21.270 --> 00:10:31.830 Untapped New York: And he gives himself a patent for pneumatic so that idea of air pressure to move things through tubes like mail into our office mail in the good old days, those bank tellers. If you drive up

00:10:32.430 --> 00:10:42.450 Untapped New York: And what he does is he designed a system, a subway underground system that runs on pneumatic. Now, the problem was he wanted funding from the city to do it, large scale.

00:10:42.990 --> 00:10:49.590 Untapped New York: At the time, the city was run by a very corrupt political machine, known as Tammany Hall William Boss Tweed the fat cat of corruption.

00:10:50.520 --> 00:11:00.630 Untapped New York: At the time, says no, because he can't make any money off of it because tweed owns the patent. So he goes, Oh yeah, watch me I'm doing anyway. So in guerrilla style.

00:11:01.350 --> 00:11:14.850 Untapped New York: He rents the ground level and basement of Devlin's which is a was a man's department store in 258 Broadway. He gets about 40 guys under there. And for a couple of months they're digging a tunnel under Broadway from Murray to Warren. It's literally a block long

00:11:15.510 --> 00:11:24.930 Untapped New York: puts this very ornate station down in the basement builds this great subway car that has velvet cushions and couches inside of it. And there's goldfish.

00:11:26.010 --> 00:11:38.190 Untapped New York: In these ornate sort of pond like structures in the station and mosaics, and he charges 25 cents back in 1870 he charges 25 cents that's not inflation, a lot of money back then.

00:11:38.580 --> 00:11:50.910 Untapped New York: 400,000 people take this one little subway. It's about 20 seconds back and forth a big fan pushes it to Murray Street and then sucks it back from Murray street. And not to be outdone,

00:11:51.420 --> 00:12:00.690 Untapped New York: Alfred Eli beach at a guy at Murray street with a top hat on and a bell so that when the subway or when the car I did ring a bell and go Murray street like there was anybody else they could go in the city.

00:12:00.930 --> 00:12:03.270 Untapped New York: Is one stop and they could see the other side, from where

00:12:03.270 --> 00:12:03.660 Untapped New York: They were

00:12:05.070 --> 00:12:18.450 Untapped New York: And it was great because everybody loved it. He made a lot of money off of it and boss tweets thrown in jail because of corruption for the tweet courthouse, which we have today and the city goes for it. But there's a great financial panic.

00:12:19.530 --> 00:12:37.440 Untapped New York: He loses all of his investors never gets built and the tunnel was under Broadway until the BMT comes in 1912 to prospect for where the RW line is now he used it as a shooting range and a champagne seller after the subway verte really interesting story. It's, it's quite New York

00:12:38.340 --> 00:12:45.480 Jeff Goodman: There any remnants left aside from the like the tunnel, any, any art remnants left

00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:57.990 Untapped New York: Foot tunnel was assumed into the RW line on the somebody on the co op board of the building saw me giving a tour outside of the building and said we want to get into the basement. But TD Bank owns it.

00:12:58.500 --> 00:13:08.610 Untapped New York: So we don't know if there's anything down there only physical remnant was a shield that he ordered from England to hold Broadway up as he was tunneling that shield is in core now apparently

00:13:08.820 --> 00:13:09.930 Jeff Goodman: THE HOME UNIVERSITY.

00:13:11.310 --> 00:13:12.150 Jeff Goodman: Well, I'm

00:13:13.980 --> 00:13:24.390 Jeff Goodman: After the nomadic subway, sort of, you know, proverbially caved in. We also had Rapid Transit by rail before the subway was built. We had L trains elevated lines and there were four of them weren't there.

00:13:25.170 --> 00:13:34.020 Untapped New York: Yeah, there were and what happens is when the new when the new underground subterranean system comes to pass in the early 1900s, they're all assumed

00:13:34.350 --> 00:13:43.710 Untapped New York: By the interval rapid transit, but there were individual owners, starting from the early 1870s, up until the early 1900s and they ran up all the major avenues.

00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:54.870 Jeff Goodman: Since we had since we had four elevated subway lines. Why did what was the reason that we needed where that that that the company that built the first subway.

00:13:55.230 --> 00:14:02.130 Jeff Goodman: thought that it would actually be a good idea. And people would would want to patronize it since we already had four four different lines because

00:14:02.160 --> 00:14:11.010 Untapped New York: Whether when we had a big blizzard known as the blizzard of 1888 dumped almost 40 inches of snow very unexpectedly in March on New York

00:14:11.220 --> 00:14:23.190 Untapped New York: And those lines cease to function for weeks and nobody could move around. And so everybody said enough. It's time for rapid transit underground in New York other cities have it. We need it.

00:14:24.660 --> 00:14:28.050 Jeff Goodman: What was the first subway line when when when was it built who built it.

00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:34.860 Untapped New York: So it was after 1888 by 1889 the city put together the Rapid Transit Commission.

00:14:35.160 --> 00:14:43.920 Untapped New York: The rapid transit Commission's job was not to build the subway. It was to hire the private businesses that would build the subway. The investors who would run their own companies and the first one.

00:14:44.550 --> 00:14:54.750 Untapped New York: They pegged a guy named august Belmont, Jr. Who was building ST. JOHN the divine up in Morningside Heights at that time. And he started something called the inter bro. Rapid Transit Company.

00:14:55.560 --> 00:15:01.800 Untapped New York: Which I always refer to as the IRT all the time, which are all the number trains 123456 and seven today.

00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:04.170 Jeff Goodman: For my generation still thinks of it as the clarity.

00:15:04.350 --> 00:15:16.920 Untapped New York: I know a lot of people still will call the IoT BMT IND and those what people don't realize are especially New New Yorkers are modern New Yorkers all of our subways were proprietary private owned businesses, up until 1940

00:15:17.790 --> 00:15:26.370 Untapped New York: So that's why they're built the way they are. That's why the cars are different sizes IRT trains are narrower than be empty and IMD trains.

00:15:27.420 --> 00:15:29.070 Jeff Goodman: The gauge of the trackers, the same, it's just

00:15:29.190 --> 00:15:31.080 Untapped New York: The nature of the track is exactly the same.

00:15:31.380 --> 00:15:44.430 Untapped New York: I are two trains can run on any track in the system BMT and i n ds literally can't fit in the tunnels of the IRT they're too wide at the track ages are the same so 1904 we get our first subway open

00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:57.870 Jeff Goodman: Up. We're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our discussion with Justin rivers of untapped New York in this first segment about the subways on the history of the subway. We'll be back in a moment.

00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:10.710 Jeff Goodman: We're back to rediscovering New York and our special episode about the beloved subway, the beloved New York City subway.

00:18:11.070 --> 00:18:21.060 Jeff Goodman: My first guest is Justin rivers Justin is the chief experience officer and lead tour guide for untapped New York, Justin. Speaking of untapped New York obviously during coven

00:18:21.630 --> 00:18:33.210 Jeff Goodman: Activities for getting people together in groups and touring around is limited, but when we can go back to not having to physically distance. Again, what are some of the more interesting towards that on tap. New York Post

00:18:33.930 --> 00:18:42.480 Untapped New York: So actually we when we went into phase four in New York City. We have now launched a set of socially distant tours in person.

00:18:42.990 --> 00:18:52.680 Untapped New York: Great art at the end of August. Yeah. We're really excited. So we are launching a we're working with the goal honest dredgers who are canoeing, the go honest canal at sunset.

00:18:53.280 --> 00:18:55.170 Jeff Goodman: Sounds like a baseball club going distributors.

00:18:56.190 --> 00:19:07.650 Untapped New York: And it's been a super big hit with our with our fan base. We're selling those out pretty quickly. But people are anxious to get out. But that's a really cool tour. We're also starting a Victorian Flatbush tour.

00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:17.700 Untapped New York: Which is all new on the roster. And that's going to be in person. And so what we're saying is no more than 10 people listening devices so people can spread out and everybody's wearing masks so that we're safe.

00:19:18.120 --> 00:19:24.150 Untapped New York: But we're getting we're getting back out there at the end of August and into September as safely as we can.

00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:28.740 Jeff Goodman: Oh, great. Yeah. And how can our listeners, find out about your offerings with untapped New York

00:19:28.770 --> 00:19:37.710 Untapped New York: Ah untapped we haven't changed the website from untapped city some tap New York yet so I'm tapped cities com slash tours. I'll just go to the homepage and tours.

00:19:38.310 --> 00:19:47.670 Jeff Goodman: Great moving back to the subway, the beloved subway lines so call it what what was the first subway line. Where did it start, when did it in. Where did it go

00:19:48.210 --> 00:19:59.100 Untapped New York: Very interesting. I love this story because I on the tour I bring the first subway map from 1904 and the subway starts at City Hall under City Hall Park today.

00:19:59.610 --> 00:20:04.740 Untapped New York: And it goes under what we would New Yorkers would know as the 456 line up to Grand Central

00:20:05.190 --> 00:20:14.250 Untapped New York: And at Grand Central. It used to take a turn over to the west side on what we New Yorkers today no is the shuttle line the S to Times Square.

00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:27.360 Untapped New York: And then at jobs West up to 140 fifth street in Harlem on what we would know as the 123 line and when it opened. It was the first in the world to have express and local service from the very day. It opened

00:20:27.900 --> 00:20:35.190 Untapped New York: In 1904 so those four tracks system that you know from the four or five and six and all the way up to the 123 that's all original.

00:20:36.300 --> 00:20:43.410 Jeff Goodman: And two other first and of course it would be in a place like the York. It was the first subway system in the world that ban smoking in the system.

00:20:43.890 --> 00:20:46.710 Jeff Goodman: And that also operated 24 hours and all of its stations.

00:20:46.890 --> 00:20:58.950 Untapped New York: Correct. And as a matter of fact, we are in a historic period right now because our subway is not 24 hours and this is the first time at this large clip of time that it has not been because it's being cleaned from one to 5am

00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:06.540 Jeff Goodman: Well, I remember when Sandy hit the subway was a shock for a number of days and that also happened after September 11 to

00:21:08.280 --> 00:21:17.130 Jeff Goodman: The original IRT line the stations were smaller warrant they and they had smaller trains. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. So yeah.

00:21:17.340 --> 00:21:24.270 Untapped New York: I know a lot of people don't realize I like to call the original IRT stations like little time capsules because

00:21:24.630 --> 00:21:31.050 Untapped New York: Heinz in the forest where the two bowls arts architects who Belmont brought on remember they're designing ST. JOHN the divine

00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:38.460 Untapped New York: And they designed these little 200 foot stations that have all of these bows are elements these gorgeous finances from the Groovy company.

00:21:38.790 --> 00:21:46.560 Untapped New York: And all these architectural moldings Heinz on the farm. I wanted to make sure that light daylight came down into these stations, because they're right under street grade.

00:21:47.250 --> 00:21:51.630 Untapped New York: So they made them very artful and very pleasant. But they made them very small

00:21:52.260 --> 00:22:00.480 Untapped New York: For our original five car train sense now again in context of what we're used to today in New York. We're used to anywhere from 10 to 12

00:22:00.780 --> 00:22:06.150 Untapped New York: Trains in a train that pulls up. Now imagine having that imagine the cars being smaller

00:22:06.360 --> 00:22:13.650 Untapped New York: And imagine hundreds of thousands of people wanting to ride these cars because from the first day of transit, you had hundreds of thousands of people wanting to ride the subway.

00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:25.290 Untapped New York: And within months, the integral Rapid Transit was known as the integral rattled transit because they couldn't accommodate all the people who wanted to be on it because the cars and the stations were too small.

00:22:25.650 --> 00:22:30.090 Jeff Goodman: So having a patch subway card Rashad was not something that's new to modern times, it happened, they

00:22:30.090 --> 00:22:33.090 Untapped New York: Want from day one. That was the way it was.

00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.190 Jeff Goodman: So when did they

00:22:36.690 --> 00:22:39.870 Jeff Goodman: Enlarge the trains extend the stations. When did that happen.

00:22:39.870 --> 00:22:49.800 Untapped New York: Oh, they started the initiative from the mid 1940s and they kept going all the way up to the bed, the early 1960s, they literally had to bulldoze

00:22:51.300 --> 00:22:56.760 Untapped New York: In front of them. They had to move gas lines and and all these sort of utilities to

00:22:57.210 --> 00:23:07.290 Untapped New York: Extend the stations for larger train sets to accommodate these people. So what they did was they started on the downtown sides first. So when the downtown sides.

00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:21.330 Untapped New York: Were elongated that was most likely in the 1940s. The uptown sides were extended later on in the 50s and the 60s. I always tell people if you want to see the best example of the difference between a Heinz and lafarge bows arts

00:23:22.650 --> 00:23:27.840 Untapped New York: And something else from the mid century sort of avocado green like your grandmother's fridge.

00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:44.070 Untapped New York: Go to Spring Street on the uptown six get out and there's literally a line in the wall in the middle of the station and one side is 1958. I don't know what the exact date is, but it's around that time. And then the other side is 1904 and it's literally like jumping in time.

00:23:45.990 --> 00:23:58.620 Jeff Goodman: Speaking of the Bose art station there is one that is still there and all of its glory, and a lot of people know about it. But most people haven't seen it, and that's the City Hall subway line. Um, why don't we have that anymore. Why, why do we don't have a city hall subway station on that.

00:23:59.010 --> 00:24:03.540 Jeff Goodman: It's i mean it's it's now called city hall and chamber street but but the actual original station.

00:24:03.900 --> 00:24:15.750 Untapped New York: So it is it's you know it's considered the crown jewel. It was Station Number one, it was the ceremonial launching station. It was what made it unique. Was it was completely designed by Raphael gloss divina

00:24:16.530 --> 00:24:24.570 Untapped New York: And his team put together 14 support arches, because it was built on a turn was built on a turnaround loop.

00:24:25.380 --> 00:24:29.490 Untapped New York: Absolutely stunning daylight came down through leaded glass at three portals.

00:24:29.820 --> 00:24:38.100 Untapped New York: The problem was, with it. It was very small was only built for those five car train sets and when they extended the trains five cars wouldn't even platform, they'd be in the tunnel.

00:24:38.520 --> 00:24:44.760 Untapped New York: Secondly, was built on too sharp of a turn. So the trains came in on their sides, much like they do at Union Square today.

00:24:45.750 --> 00:24:53.400 Untapped New York: Without the extenders to compensate and it only had one platform. It only went uptown. So by the 1940s.

00:24:54.300 --> 00:25:04.350 Untapped New York: They realized that most people were not using city hall. They were just walking over across the street to Brooklyn Bridge City Hall, which is still there today, which is service by

00:25:04.890 --> 00:25:18.300 Untapped New York: The four or five and six because they could go downtown and uptown. Nobody was getting out at City Hall, just because it was a pretty stations. So in 1945 they close it down to public consumption and the general public is no longer allowed in there.

00:25:19.620 --> 00:25:25.770 Jeff Goodman: Well, that's not the only loop we have another one on the old number one line down by down by South Ferry, which

00:25:27.030 --> 00:25:31.530 Jeff Goodman: Was taken out of service when they extended the one train, but was put back several years after Sandy.

00:25:32.670 --> 00:25:39.150 Jeff Goodman: I always use i'd love taking those those lines. It's too bad that you can't really really really see it anymore.

00:25:41.040 --> 00:25:50.190 Jeff Goodman: How long after the first subway line was built. Did the IoT decide to expand the lines into Brooklyn and also building a West Side line down below below town square

00:25:51.060 --> 00:25:56.850 Untapped New York: It was almost immediate. I mean, they have the in the plans from the time that they were building the first line. So, I believe.

00:25:57.690 --> 00:26:16.650 Untapped New York: The train is going to hit both the Bronx by 1910 it's going to be in Brooklyn by 1908 so anywhere between about three to 10 years did the IRT start spanning out into Brooklyn and the Bronx and you know a lot of people credit that

00:26:18.060 --> 00:26:26.430 Untapped New York: The Bronx. The, the trains in the Bronx made some of the neighborhoods in the Bronx. So once the train started going out there, the neighborhood started following

00:26:26.820 --> 00:26:28.500 Jeff Goodman: Like the president and for line did

00:26:28.710 --> 00:26:29.820 Untapped New York: And current rocks and

00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.890 Jeff Goodman: And then the Grand Concourse somebody properties in the Grand Concourse went up.

00:26:35.370 --> 00:26:41.220 Jeff Goodman: Yeah, and and then at some point, a second subway company decided to build a line. What was that

00:26:41.850 --> 00:26:43.020 Untapped New York: So this is an interesting

00:26:43.080 --> 00:26:44.550 Jeff Goodman: The system, not just aligned. But Bill

00:26:44.580 --> 00:26:56.130 Untapped New York: Right build this is an interesting story because again we're also we're so used to the state in the city running our transportation. But back in the day was private enterprise. And what did private enterprise thrive on competition.

00:26:56.490 --> 00:27:05.760 Untapped New York: And the city wanted to fuel the competition so they look to Brooklyn because Brooklyn was its own city until the unification of the greater five boroughs and

00:27:06.090 --> 00:27:11.910 Untapped New York: Brooklyn had the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company, which was basically getting people down to Coney Island and all around Brooklyn.

00:27:12.360 --> 00:27:23.880 Untapped New York: And Manhattan said would you start trunk lines underground in Manhattan, because we need the help we have to alleviate the ridership pressure from the IoT

00:27:24.300 --> 00:27:35.010 Untapped New York: And so they form a company called the Brooklyn Manhattan Transit Company, which most people refer to as the BMT and the BMT today our lines.

00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:42.720 Untapped New York: The end the cube are the w, the J and the Z and they open up in 1915

00:27:43.470 --> 00:27:53.010 Untapped New York: So you have about 11 years after the IRT comes to pass, that the BMT now is starting to run competition. If you notice in lower Manhattan.

00:27:53.220 --> 00:28:05.970 Untapped New York: BMT lines run right astride our tea lines and that was on purpose. It was business you come to us. That's why the BMT got the bigger cars they hold more people there wider give us more money. It's capitalism.

00:28:06.540 --> 00:28:13.440 Jeff Goodman: And that station down under the municipal building that had to be quite a marvel when it was built. I think there are

00:28:14.550 --> 00:28:20.040 Jeff Goodman: There, not only for four tracks, but there are there are four platforms, its enormous it's cavernous that station.

00:28:20.250 --> 00:28:29.880 Untapped New York: It is. It's one of the highest and widest and people don't go there because ridership stats on the Jay Z chamber streeter busily low because the Jay Z doesn't go anywhere in Manhattan.

00:28:30.780 --> 00:28:46.320 Untapped New York: But it was called the Grand Central of downtown. It was it was a terminal until 1930 so BMT train stop there. And then in 1930 they completed the Nassau tunnel, which means trains now are going out to Brooklyn looping through Fourth Avenue, unable to come back.

00:28:47.340 --> 00:28:52.050 Untapped New York: And when it becomes a through station. They close three platforms down

00:28:53.250 --> 00:28:56.880 Untapped New York: Leave them to abandonment, which they still are today and

00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:07.380 Untapped New York: Yet it's no longer use but they when they first opened in the 19 teens. It was one of the marvels of the system. It was high, it was wide gorgeous pillars.

00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:17.010 Untapped New York: Gloss Tofino himself was again brought in to do the entrance. It's got one of the most beautiful entrances in the system. And again, nobody sees it. It's built into the municipal building

00:29:17.580 --> 00:29:20.400 Jeff Goodman: It's a, it's a ratty station, but I love going down there.

00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:21.840 Untapped New York: So really, you're adding station.

00:29:21.870 --> 00:29:25.380 Jeff Goodman: To transfer between the be I say between the BMT of the I'd say

00:29:25.800 --> 00:29:36.210 Untapped New York: Definitely it. Well, that's when there's the IoT signage used to be there, up until about six months ago, the old IRT that way over the bridge, but they're putting an elevator banks and they've closed all that stuff off unfortunate.

00:29:37.650 --> 00:29:45.210 Jeff Goodman: Well believe it or not, Justin, we're almost at a time. But, uh, but I wanted to ask you about the origin of the third law. The third system, the IND.

00:29:45.270 --> 00:29:45.690 Untapped New York: What yeah

00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.440 Jeff Goodman: How did that start

00:29:46.710 --> 00:29:54.750 Untapped New York: So the i n g was started in the late 1920s with the idea that the city was going to take over the system. So it was called the city own independent line.

00:29:55.320 --> 00:30:06.600 Untapped New York: And the city own independent line are have a the see the the be the D in the F that we know today and that was again to provide service for areas that didn't get service from the BMT and the IRT

00:30:08.340 --> 00:30:22.020 Untapped New York: And also they started digging deeper, deeper, deeper. So a lot of those stations are deeper and higher the highest and the lowest are on that line and by 1948 the right after the IND starts getting going.

00:30:22.530 --> 00:30:28.260 Untapped New York: The city uses municipal bonds to buy up both the BMT and the IRT lines and put them under one umbrella.

00:30:29.130 --> 00:30:34.140 Jeff Goodman: So the IoT and the BMT just sold their line today eventually go bankrupt. So what happened to those companies.

00:30:34.560 --> 00:30:42.240 Untapped New York: The companies were struggling financially, because the contracts that they had with the city were not very good for them. They weren't making the kind of profits that they needed to keep the system up

00:30:42.840 --> 00:30:46.290 Untapped New York: This is these are things that we still deal with today. As a matter of fact.

00:30:47.010 --> 00:30:57.540 Untapped New York: One of the reasons why our line has service issues is because of those original contracts and because of the deals that they made the city didn't even really give them a choice because they didn't want them anymore.

00:30:58.110 --> 00:31:07.410 Untapped New York: So they use municipal bonds to buy them up. The main reason why they wanted to take down the elevators, because they wanted to get them off the avenues to make more room for the cars and immediately.

00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:21.270 Untapped New York: They take down the elevated in 1940 days after they sign the contracts. The only one they locked up. Second Avenue because Second Avenue didn't have any service took that one down and 54. So let's say that for about 15 years

00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:26.340 Jeff Goodman: Well, what that also did is it created it took noise and darkness away from those streets.

00:31:27.090 --> 00:31:35.310 Jeff Goodman: That's why I'm Third Avenue. You all the tall buildings are new. No one wanted to build anything aside from the row has tenements that were there while the oil trains were there.

00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:45.360 Jeff Goodman: Justin. This has been illuminating fascinating, but we're at a time. Thank you for taking us on a journey back in time to the origins of our beloved subway.

00:31:46.530 --> 00:31:55.110 Jeff Goodman: Our first guests on this show about the subway on rediscovering New York has been Justin rivers Justin is the chief experience officer and lead tour guide.

00:31:55.500 --> 00:32:01.770 Jeff Goodman: Of untapped New York, you can find out about their offerings at WWW dot untapped cities calm.

00:32:02.280 --> 00:32:11.730 Jeff Goodman: We're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to speak with our second guest about art in the subway its history and what art is like now on the subway. We'll be back in a moment.

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00:35:59.670 --> 00:36:10.020 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest is also returning guests to rediscovering New York filled this year. Phil is a license Tour Guide by the Department of Consumer Affairs and a member of the guides Association of New York City.

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.580 Jeff Goodman: enjoy sharing his passion for the Big Apple with tourists and locals alike.

00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:24.270 Jeff Goodman: Phil came to the tourists guiding profession, following a 35 year career as a graphic designer and art director for publishing companies and in house corporate graphics departments.

00:36:24.930 --> 00:36:31.860 Jeff Goodman: Is walking towards focus on the art and architecture history entails and sometimes the quirky characters of the Big Apple.

00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:41.460 Jeff Goodman: From the age of 10 Phil wanted to live in Greenwich Village for 39 years he has indeed lived loved left and learned in this vibrant and colorful neighborhood.

00:36:42.240 --> 00:36:55.980 Jeff Goodman: He loves the village, because of its small town atmosphere but big city style with. It's a regular street plan NAMED STREETS easy Charmin human scale, he finds the village comforting and fill this year a warm welcome back to rediscovering New York

00:36:56.820 --> 00:36:58.500 Philip Desiere: Thanks, Jeff, thanks for having me.

00:36:59.130 --> 00:37:01.110 Jeff Goodman: You're not from New York. Originally, where are you from,

00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:24.720 Philip Desiere: No, I'm not. I moved to New York City to Greenwich Village where I've lived for the past 40 years from a farming community in South Jersey, a town called Vineland it's a three hour car drive from the city. I still have relatives immediate family and extended family lived there.

00:37:25.740 --> 00:37:27.750 Jeff Goodman: How did you get into graphic design, Phil.

00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:48.630 Philip Desiere: I always had an interest in part of some sort and as a fine artist. It's rough, it's a rough way to make a living, but a graphic artist is in is more in demand. So my my plans went in that direction, rather than a fine artist.

00:37:50.190 --> 00:38:02.580 Jeff Goodman: And how did you find your way to like Justin and his colleagues to to illuminating and presenting the great things about what you love in the city to people through through your professional work.

00:38:03.240 --> 00:38:15.120 Philip Desiere: The last office job that I had the company and moved and I did not want to move with it. And one night I was scrolling through the iPad.

00:38:15.540 --> 00:38:28.830 Philip Desiere: And I came across a website about tour guide and I stopped and I said I could do that. And I researched what I what I had to do to do that.

00:38:29.370 --> 00:38:50.310 Philip Desiere: And I, I got licensed by the city and I began researching my tours and offering them through my own website walk about New York my own company, as well as partner partnering with other other tour operators and tour companies and in the city and across the country.

00:38:51.240 --> 00:38:53.310 Jeff Goodman: I will just walk about New York. When did you start it.

00:38:53.610 --> 00:39:08.670 Philip Desiere: I began walk about New York on April 1 of 2016 when I sent out my email to 2014 excuse me 2014 when I sent out the email on

00:39:10.020 --> 00:39:16.470 Philip Desiere: April Fool's day I got return emails asking if it was an April Fool's joke.

00:39:17.310 --> 00:39:20.280 Jeff Goodman: Did your first tour have any kind of an April Fools theme to it.

00:39:20.850 --> 00:39:40.290 Philip Desiere: My first tour was here in Greenwich Village my own my home neighborhood and I have SINCE EXPANDED two tours throughout the city downtown. One of my favorite tours is of Rockefeller Center, the art and architecture Rockefeller Center as

00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.840 Jeff Goodman: You were a guest on our show about Rockefeller Center, which was a

00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:49.230 Jeff Goodman: Great episode. By the way, everyone is podcast. Did you can hear it. It was paired with the Woolworth Building. But Phil is our first guest on that show about rock center.

00:39:50.520 --> 00:40:07.890 Philip Desiere: And I also offer five different tours of these of some of the Subway, the Subway art all following five different routes and each one has about 10 stops on it and we talk about the art at each of those 10 stops.

00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:20.130 Jeff Goodman: If people wanted to find out more about your tours, which I'm assuming you're going to be up and running again when we no longer have to physically distance to where we are, how can they find out about about those offerings and go on your tours.

00:40:20.340 --> 00:40:30.450 Philip Desiere: They could go to the website that is walk about new and the all the tours are listed there in the upper menu.

00:40:32.070 --> 00:40:44.490 Jeff Goodman: And I have to say, one of the nice things about your towards is a couple of times I've been walking the streets on a Saturday afternoon and run into you with a with a crowd of people into not with me with the crowd of people in your tone, not mine.

00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:59.730 Philip Desiere: Well, please say hello. Because I do like my guests to know that I'm a, I'm a real person that I have friends. I know people in New York, and I'm not some talking head. So if when you when you see me next, please stop by and just just say hello.

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.120 Jeff Goodman: Okay, I did actually was under the Washington Square arch. I think

00:41:03.150 --> 00:41:03.840 Philip Desiere: Oh, sure.

00:41:03.900 --> 00:41:06.300 Philip Desiere: Yeah, I do remember that. Now that we've talked about. Yes.

00:41:07.530 --> 00:41:14.790 Jeff Goodman: That brings us to to art in the subway, the beloved subway and beloved art in the subway, Phil. What's the genesis of art in the subway.

00:41:15.660 --> 00:41:26.460 Philip Desiere: The heart has been in the subway, since it began in 19 four of the one of the philosophies that was pretty

00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:36.540 Philip Desiere: Prevalent in the late 19th century, early 20th century with something called the City Beautiful and its philosophy was

00:41:36.930 --> 00:42:01.170 Philip Desiere: If you make something beautiful. If you make the surroundings. Beautiful. Beautiful buildings beautiful parks, people will behave in a beautiful way. And so that was carried underground to the subway. And even today, you can see some of that early 20th century of bows are Art Nouveau.

00:42:02.910 --> 00:42:04.470 Philip Desiere: Art there in the city.

00:42:05.670 --> 00:42:16.290 Philip Desiere: I think everyone's favorite is at Astor Place the beavers at Astor Place the Terracotta beavers they're they're quite playful and amusing.

00:42:16.740 --> 00:42:26.730 Philip Desiere: Another good reason for having those symbols those pictures was. Keep in mind, at the time, early 20th century.

00:42:27.390 --> 00:42:46.950 Philip Desiere: Many of the writers of the subway were immigrants, they did not speak English it or they were not literate, they could not read the sign that said Astor Place. So they might have been told, get all for you see the beaver or get off where you see the see the ship at Columbus Circle.

00:42:48.150 --> 00:43:00.090 Philip Desiere: Sometimes if they were limited. They were literate in another language which didn't help them any way to read an English printed sign. So, these, these symbols. These pictures the art.

00:43:00.510 --> 00:43:11.430 Philip Desiere: From the early part of the subway system up serve two purposes identification, as well as, as well as beauty as well as looking pretty

00:43:12.810 --> 00:43:30.000 Jeff Goodman: August Belmont put together the interviewer Rapid Transit Company, the IoT, did he actually take number one, I'm going to ask you was, was he was he a proponent of art on the subway. And second, did he actually take part in decision making about what kind of art went into the original subway.

00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:37.440 Philip Desiere: As a businessman and an investor, I believe that mister Bo months focus was making money.

00:43:38.550 --> 00:43:57.210 Philip Desiere: So I don't know if he actually had a direct hand and approving any of the art, but he certainly financed it. You certainly raised the money and spend it on these stations looking beautiful though in a roundabout way he did.

00:43:58.890 --> 00:44:05.430 Jeff Goodman: Let's fast forward a little bit. Phil when, um, let's talk more about modern times, when does a subway.

00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:20.940 Jeff Goodman: Get art. Now when is it decided and by who I'm sitting. I'm sure it's the, it's a New York City Transit is there is there like an art department and and when did they say okay you know we we we have to do an upgrade for this for this station.

00:44:21.510 --> 00:44:35.850 Philip Desiere: When subway stations are renovated they will get art in that renovation process in the early 1980s, a law was passed in the city.

00:44:36.450 --> 00:44:50.250 Philip Desiere: Called the percent law and that law dictates that 1% of a construction budget must go toward art, and that includes the subway system.

00:44:50.910 --> 00:44:57.210 Philip Desiere: So the other way of heart, getting into a subway system or a subway station.

00:44:57.720 --> 00:45:10.410 Philip Desiere: Is if it's newly constructed and that would include the second half of you extension of the queue line the 23rd and Lex 63rd and Lexington, the 72nd Street.

00:45:11.070 --> 00:45:25.590 Philip Desiere: 86 Street and the 96th Street stations are all new as of January 2017 and they all have fabulous art in them, as well as the extension of the

00:45:27.030 --> 00:45:36.390 Philip Desiere: The line that goes to Hudson Yards that Hudson Yards station has fabulous art in it. That's the number seven line.

00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:38.700 Jeff Goodman: Wow.

00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:49.950 Jeff Goodman: Well, we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Phil does year of walkabout New York on art in our beloved subway system will be back in a moment.

00:47:40.890 --> 00:47:48.540 Jeff Goodman: We're back and you're back to rediscovering New York in this special episode about the New York City subway and this segment about aren't in the subways.

00:47:49.260 --> 00:48:08.190 Jeff Goodman: Phil. There are so many artists in New York City of 8.6 million people, and I'm sure many, many artists would love to have their creations live in the subway, maybe even long after they're no longer with us, what's the process for selecting artists to install art in the subway.

00:48:09.600 --> 00:48:17.850 Philip Desiere: Earlier before we went to break you mentioned, or you asked about an art department for the MTA and empty it does have an art department.

00:48:18.210 --> 00:48:31.590 Philip Desiere: It's called MTA Arts and Design and it is staffed by trained artist's by people who are artists in in their own right. In fact, the woman who heads that department. A woman named

00:48:32.970 --> 00:48:36.000 Philip Desiere: Susan bloodsworth she

00:48:37.230 --> 00:48:40.110 Philip Desiere: Designed unfortunately a

00:48:42.150 --> 00:48:52.560 Philip Desiere: piece of art that can no longer be seen, because it is in the Old South South Ferry Terminal that was replaced when the new South very terminal.

00:48:53.040 --> 00:49:09.150 Philip Desiere: Began and she did a modern take on a sale ish a sailboat. That was in the original terra cotta panels of that South Ferry terminus for the one

00:49:10.200 --> 00:49:19.680 Philip Desiere: And but it can't be seen anymore because she because that station is closed, but these artists will

00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:30.720 Philip Desiere: Evaluate artist, the artist who are part of MTA Arts and Design, they will evaluate, who is working.

00:49:31.530 --> 00:49:45.480 Philip Desiere: What artists are active at any one time as they are planning the renovation of a subway station and they will approach these artists and say we have you a mind for

00:49:46.350 --> 00:49:58.260 Philip Desiere: Making the art in a certain subway and they will offer that person the opportunity to submit an idea and they usually only approach four or five artists at a time.

00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:20.790 Philip Desiere: And because of that limited a number. It's not an open competition not hundreds of people submit designs. But are these four or five people will submit design and only one will be approached sometimes in the case of the artists who

00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:41.400 Philip Desiere: Worked on the J street Metro Tech subway station in Brooklyn, he was offered two different stations in the Bronx, that he refused, but because he wanted one in Brooklyn, which is where he lives and works so

00:50:41.430 --> 00:50:46.650 Jeff Goodman: Justin would like to hear that because he lives in Brooklyn and the Bronx. So someone standing up for be counted in Brooklyn.

00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:55.830 Jeff Goodman: Didn't want to get although i love the Bronx. I actually spend time there and I work in the Bronx. I do work in the Bronx to you. One thing I wanted to ask you, Phil is

00:50:56.970 --> 00:51:04.590 Jeff Goodman: What is the best materials for art in the subway. Did they they mandated to artists get to choose them today.

00:51:05.040 --> 00:51:15.300 Jeff Goodman: Certainly, I'm thinking the durability has to be has to be considered God grime air. What goes in the air to make sure that it can be cleaned and it can be. It could withstand the elements

00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:17.790 Philip Desiere: And the most durable.

00:51:19.530 --> 00:51:25.140 Philip Desiere: Materials material is a ceramic and that is why you see so many

00:51:26.250 --> 00:51:48.090 Philip Desiere: Both the original art in the subway from 19 four onward up you can see ceramic mosaics and up to the date up to today. Those ceramic mosaics are what arm is what most is what most is what is most durable.

00:51:49.290 --> 00:51:58.740 Philip Desiere: And today you have a ceramic mosaics, as well as porcelain tiles and also bronze.

00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:12.240 Philip Desiere: And adorable metals stained glass and some of the elevators stations in the Bronx and in Brooklyn are also use. So it's adorable material.

00:52:13.260 --> 00:52:24.030 Philip Desiere: terracotta as in terra cotta mosaics or glass mosaics, and also a metal of some sort of bronze steel.

00:52:26.190 --> 00:52:37.890 Jeff Goodman: We. I don't know if everybody. Well, many people don't know this, I knew there were hundreds of subway stations. We have 472 subway stations in the system. How many of those have artefill

00:52:39.180 --> 00:52:53.400 Philip Desiere: Roughly 50% about half of them have been renovated or are new and they have are on display this what I like to call the art museum at the core of the Big Apple.

00:52:55.650 --> 00:53:00.360 Jeff Goodman: Well, we have a few minutes left. And we're coming up to my favorite question for you. In this segment,

00:53:01.080 --> 00:53:14.010 Jeff Goodman: What are your favorite art installations in the subway. Which ones do you love which ones do you think are interesting. Which ones do you especially want to have people notice when they're in particular stations.

00:53:14.580 --> 00:53:19.440 Philip Desiere: But my all time favorite is located on the IMD line.

00:53:20.190 --> 00:53:37.950 Philip Desiere: The AC a at 14 Street and Eighth Avenue those wonderful bronze figurines that are scattered throughout the entire station, both on the platform levels and at the mezzanine level and it is

00:53:38.670 --> 00:53:57.300 Philip Desiere: There so uplifting and that is included on my subway art to a number one. And when I get there. I have some wonderful funny and amusing stories to talk about the artists who is Tom Otterness and I do enjoy

00:53:58.350 --> 00:54:04.800 Philip Desiere: That station when I go there and it's just, it's great fun. Those figurines are so amusing.

00:54:05.730 --> 00:54:07.620 Jeff Goodman: I love the alligator coming out of the sewer.

00:54:08.310 --> 00:54:21.930 Philip Desiere: Yes, that that urban legend has yeah I'm real in bronze. I like showing that off to to guess to take that tour. There are several others. I mentioned the

00:54:23.100 --> 00:54:41.730 Philip Desiere: Second Avenue Subway line at 72nd Street, the work called Perfect Strangers by VIP Moonies they're very playful that subway station also includes the only non political

00:54:42.510 --> 00:55:03.030 Philip Desiere: Representation of to gain Man game in holding hands and I always like to point that out and tell people tell the guests on the tour that they are only one degree of separation from those two men because I do know them so

00:55:03.060 --> 00:55:12.270 Philip Desiere: Wow. Yeah. It's a pretty it's pretty wonderful when they got the news that they were being included in that part where they felt like they had won the lottery.

00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:18.060 Philip Desiere: Because they will be there for 100 years. Oh, yeah.

00:55:18.690 --> 00:55:20.940 Jeff Goodman: Every New York has dream to be immortalized

00:55:22.290 --> 00:55:22.590 Jeff Goodman: Like

00:55:23.520 --> 00:55:25.110 Jeff Goodman: How do I get that for me. I'm wondering

00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:33.210 Jeff Goodman: Well, I suppose, if you're the likes of a certain president of the United States. You might try to buy that. But anyway, we won't go there.

00:55:36.630 --> 00:55:43.110 Jeff Goodman: In the minute or so we have little. Are there any other art installations of pieces of art that you find really inspiring in the subway.

00:55:44.250 --> 00:55:56.640 Philip Desiere: There's one at Cortland street the stop for the 911 museum Memorial and museum, that is, it's absolutely wonderful.

00:55:57.300 --> 00:56:08.130 Philip Desiere: All of the tiles there. It has another wonderful story all the tiles are handmade. They include images such as the bull and the bear.

00:56:08.580 --> 00:56:27.360 Philip Desiere: Because that station is close to the financial district. And there are other images there. Actually, there's actually an image of the World Trade Center as part of that installation, because it was installed prior to 911 the twin towers that is so I really do like that station to

00:56:28.350 --> 00:56:45.060 Jeff Goodman: Well, I wish we had more time to to hear more of some of the special parts of the subway that that you love and take people around. I want to remind people that they can take Phil's tour of subway art at walk about New York COM IS THAT RIGHT walk about new

00:56:45.240 --> 00:56:45.810 Philip Desiere: That's right.

00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:57.270 Jeff Goodman: We'll fill this year. Thank you for being a guest on the show about about the subway. Well, we've just finished this week's exploration into the subway of its history and its art.

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