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Tuesday, July 28, 2020
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2020/07/28 - Greenpoint, in Brooklyn

[NEW EPISODE] Greenpoint, in Brooklyn

On this week’s show we will visit Greenpoint, in Brooklyn.

 My guests will be returning guest, local historian, famed tour guide (and Greenpoint resident!) Lucie Levine, founder of Archive on Parade, and Julia Moak, owner and publisher of Greenpointers.com.


Segment 1

Jeff introduces his first guest, Lucie Levine, founder of Archive on Parade, who first talks about when she moved to NYC and Greenpoint, and what she did before getting into the business of touring and what led her to it. Onto history of Greenpoint, Lucie then talks about the Native Americans who first settled on Greenpoint, how the location first got its name, Dutch settlers, and Greenpoint’s history with slavery. Following, she describes Greenpoint’s involvement during the Revolutionary War. Jeff and Lucie fast-forward 50 years discussing the first steps Greenpoint began to transform into the neighborhood it is today.

Segment 2

The segment begins with Lucie talking about the more interesting and standout tours she has given through Archive on Parade. She then describes how Archive on Parade has been dealing with the pandemic, its digital tours, and how to learn more about her company. Back to the topic of Greenpoint, Jeff and Lucie give insight to Greenpoint’s approach to industrialization. They discuss Greenpoint’s early education system and its immigrant communities, namely its Polish and Irish communities. After touching upon baseball in Greenpoint, the segment ends with Lucie talking about the environmental impact in Greenpoint.

Segment 3

Jeff introduces his next guest, Julia Moak, owner and publisher of Greenpointers.com. To begin, Julia talks about where she lived prior to Greenpoint, her career path before buying Greenpointers, and what led her to buy it. Lucie talks in-depth about what her company does, emphasizing its focus on local commerce, and how she handles dealing with the many events she curates.

Segment 4

Julia describes the overall vibe of Greenpoint. She talks about some of the changes and difficulties that have occurred in Greenpoint since she moved in, including gentrification and several local businesses closing. On the flip side, Julia talks about what excites her the most and what continues to surprise her about this neighborhood. Julia talks about some of the struggles for businesses in Greenpoint. She also speaks about some of the things she wished were better for local business owners. The segment ends with Julia sharing some advice for those who may want to open a business in Greenpoint.


Transcript

00:00:52.350 --> 00:01:01.170 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone. Welcome to our listeners in the Big Apple from across the US and around the world. I'm Jeff Goodman and this is rediscovering New York

00:01:01.890 --> 00:01:07.050 Jeff Goodman: Professionally, I'm a real estate broker with wholesale real estate. And as you all know, I love this city.

00:01:07.890 --> 00:01:13.170 Jeff Goodman: rediscovering New York as a weekly program about the history texture and vibe of our amazing city.

00:01:14.010 --> 00:01:23.700 Jeff Goodman: And we do it through interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationists local musicians and artists and the occasional elected official

00:01:24.630 --> 00:01:34.260 Jeff Goodman: On some shows like tonight's we focus on an individual New York neighborhood exploring its history and its current energy. What makes that particular New York neighborhood special

00:01:35.460 --> 00:01:41.790 Jeff Goodman: Sometimes we host shows about an interesting invited color the city and its history. That's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:52.740 Jeff Goodman: Prior episodes of covered topics as diverse and eliminating as American presidents who came from lived in or who had some interesting history here in New York, about half of them. There were some BEFORE DONALD TRUMP.

00:01:53.850 --> 00:02:00.840 Jeff Goodman: We've talked about the history of women activists and the women's suffrage movement in the city, we've focused on African American history.

00:02:01.410 --> 00:02:05.220 Jeff Goodman: We've talked about the history of the city's LGBT community and the gay rights movement.

00:02:05.850 --> 00:02:22.050 Jeff Goodman: We've also talked about bicycles and cycling the history of punk and Opera in New York. Those were separate shows, by the way, we've explored some of the city's greatest train stations, some of its bridges some of its libraries and even attempts to landmark cultural buildings in the city.

00:02:23.160 --> 00:02:33.810 Jeff Goodman: Tonight we are going across the East River again to a northern point of Brooklyn. I'm talking about Greenpoint which is right on the the confluence of the Newtown Creek and that use River.

00:02:34.230 --> 00:02:42.030 Jeff Goodman: And I have two special guests this evening. Our first guests is a returning experts are rediscovering New York Lucy, Lucy.

00:02:43.200 --> 00:02:53.880 Jeff Goodman: Lucy is a writer historian and a new york city tour guide. She founded archive on parade the historical tour and event company that takes New York's history out of the archives and into the streets.

00:02:54.330 --> 00:03:03.540 Jeff Goodman: And I can say from personal experience, Lucy those great tours. She has collaborated with institutions, including the municipal art society, the Historic District Council.

00:03:04.020 --> 00:03:13.770 Jeff Goodman: The New York Public Library. The 92nd Street Y. The St. Regis hotel and landmarks west to offer exciting towards lectures and community events all over the city.

00:03:14.580 --> 00:03:25.620 Jeff Goodman: She's also the public programs consultant at friends of the Upper East Side historic districts and Lucy is a contributing history writer at six square feet. Lucy a hearty welcome back to rediscovering New York

00:03:26.160 --> 00:03:28.110 Lucie Levine: Thank you, Jeff. It's really lovely to be here.

00:03:29.070 --> 00:03:34.800 Jeff Goodman: Um, let's talk about your background or a little bit, you're from New York originally what. Where did you grow up, what part of the city, you're from

00:03:35.250 --> 00:03:44.370 Lucie Levine: So I am originally from the upper west side, but I have lived here in mean point for just over four years now. And so I'm so excited to talk about this neighborhood.

00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:46.440 Jeff Goodman: When did you move to Greenpoint

00:03:46.950 --> 00:04:04.500 Lucie Levine: I moved to Greenpoint in 2016 and I'm so happy to be on the show with Julia this evening, because writing for green pointers was part of how I got to know the neighborhood as deeply as I do now and really made me feel at home hearing so that has been a wonderful experience.

00:04:05.070 --> 00:04:12.180 Jeff Goodman: This is referring to our second guest Julian milk, who's the owner and publisher of green point is we're going to interview, Julie. And the second part of the program.

00:04:12.720 --> 00:04:23.010 Jeff Goodman: I'm Lucy, what kinds of work have you done in the past in your career before you went into the the passion of sharing great things about the city with people who go on your tours.

00:04:23.970 --> 00:04:34.890 Lucie Levine: Well, I started out as a teacher. I was teaching middle school students. And part of what brought me into the historical Tour event, you know,

00:04:35.670 --> 00:04:47.340 Lucie Levine: If you like is that I had the opportunity to create field trips for my students, and there was such a excitement around being able to

00:04:48.300 --> 00:04:54.150 Lucie Levine: Make the city a classroom and to show my students that the things that they were learning in history class.

00:04:54.390 --> 00:05:04.710 Lucie Levine: You know, or reading about in books were things that they could see all around them. And that's something that's always moved me as a New Yorker to realize that you know there are secrets and

00:05:05.070 --> 00:05:16.110 Lucie Levine: Beautiful things all around New York City and so that the pleasure that I get in learning about that I'm sharing what I learned something that really moved me to take my current steps in my career.

00:05:16.710 --> 00:05:26.190 Jeff Goodman: Well, great. Well, I'm gonna ask you a little bit about archive on parade in the next segment. Um, let's go to that neighborhood that you live in. And that Julia lives in Greenpoint

00:05:26.940 --> 00:05:30.930 Jeff Goodman: I'm always fascinated. You know a lot of people talk about the history of neighborhoods.

00:05:31.620 --> 00:05:45.600 Jeff Goodman: And they start out when Europeans came when the Dutch camera when the English settled. Now I'm always fascinated by the peoples who were living here before Europeans came with their local native peoples living in the area that became Greenpoint before the Dutch arrived.

00:05:46.110 --> 00:05:54.480 Lucie Levine: Of course, this was part of Lynette day lands as well as all of what is now New York City and the greater

00:05:55.500 --> 00:06:01.080 Lucie Levine: Area that was known as became known as New Netherland, you know, and then

00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:02.970 Lucie Levine: Greater New York

00:06:04.290 --> 00:06:12.750 Jeff Goodman: Will talk about the ducks in a second. But, um, you know, I always am interested in how certain neighborhoods got their name is because some of them is surprising how did Greenpoint get it's then

00:06:13.320 --> 00:06:27.870 Lucie Levine: So God's name because it actually was home to an incredibly burdened and mountain scenery and then when we do get European settlement, there will be a family, known as the natural family fortune natural Avenue.

00:06:28.200 --> 00:06:36.600 Lucie Levine: In today's Greenpoint is named. And there was a miserable orchard here in pain point that was a particular part of the incredible leader view that we saw here.

00:06:36.900 --> 00:06:46.800 Lucie Levine: And I love you know that there was this burning history because Greenpoint also became an exceptionally industrial part of the Brooklyn waterfront and so

00:06:47.490 --> 00:06:55.440 Lucie Levine: One of the sort of key political bosses in Greenpoint the early 20th century, Peter J McGuinness, who was known as the king of Greenpoint

00:06:55.680 --> 00:07:04.320 Lucie Levine: He always called Greenpoint a little bit cheekily the garden spot of the world. And that was a joke. That was a reference to how industrial it had become

00:07:04.620 --> 00:07:12.750 Lucie Levine: But it actually was not wrong because originally, you know, this was exceptionally burden. This really was a garden spot, which I think is kind of interesting.

00:07:13.380 --> 00:07:19.980 Jeff Goodman: Which probably would have made it sort of very fertile ground for the local people's to to live in thrive in the area before the Dutch came

00:07:21.660 --> 00:07:34.020 Jeff Goodman: What, what is the history of the Dutch in this part of Brooklyn. When did they first stick it out. When did they first negotiate with the local people to to settle it or to take it over, as you know, some people might might say they did.

00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:45.360 Lucie Levine: Yeah, so this was originally part of one of the first six depth Simons Island. It was part of what was known as sort of greater Bushwick, but

00:07:45.690 --> 00:07:55.710 Lucie Levine: We went. Then, as now was a little bit isolated. And so when we talk about Dutch settlements in Greenpoint we're really only talking about five key families.

00:07:56.370 --> 00:08:17.340 Lucie Levine: whose names we can see in our neighborhood, today I was talking about McGinnis family, the Cal, your family, just a very sort of small intermarriage enclaves of Dutch property owners who along with enslaved people work to this land and lived here a very, very large tracts of farmland.

00:08:17.820 --> 00:08:24.390 Jeff Goodman: Do we have a record of when the first enslave people's would have would have worked would have lived in in Greenpoint

00:08:24.930 --> 00:08:30.510 Lucie Levine: I can't tell you down to the year. Um, I can absolutely tell you though that Brooklyn.

00:08:31.170 --> 00:08:46.020 Lucie Levine: Had the highest concentration of unfree labor north of the mason Dixon Line. And so when we talk about slavery in New York City, for the most part we are actually talking about Brooklyn. And so the the degree to which there was

00:08:47.760 --> 00:09:04.770 Lucie Levine: Slavery going on here. The New York Historical Society has held that slavery wasn't embedded into everyday life in Brooklyn, in particular in New York, as a whole, but in Brooklyn, in particular in a way that was so deep that it was only rivals in Charleston.

00:09:06.060 --> 00:09:14.820 Jeff Goodman: Wow. Well, that's something they didn't teach me in high school and I went to a to a good New York City public high school in the 70s. Maybe it wasn't known to the extent that it was that it was now.

00:09:15.300 --> 00:09:20.400 Jeff Goodman: I read today that the first European settlers in Greenpoint was actually from Norway. He wasn't Dutch

00:09:20.910 --> 00:09:24.000 Lucie Levine: Yes, indeed. That's true. His name was Dirk the Norsemen

00:09:25.950 --> 00:09:26.970 Jeff Goodman: That jerk the Norsemen

00:09:27.510 --> 00:09:45.210 Lucie Levine: Yes, indeed. So today's Norman Avenue is actually means for him because he was a Norman And what's so interesting to me as I was talking about that the original sort of five Dutch families who were these settlers. One of the families who are most men began to sell his land to

00:09:46.710 --> 00:09:58.350 Lucie Levine: was miserable family. And so it's so interesting to me when I look at the street cred. Today we have Norman Avenue and then we have miserable Avenue, just one block to the north. So you're actually

00:09:58.680 --> 00:10:07.410 Lucie Levine: As I do I live between normal and miserable. So I'm actually living sort of between these two markers of history, which I think is really quite special.

00:10:08.730 --> 00:10:13.470 Jeff Goodman: Was there any significant Revolutionary War history in what would become Greenpoint Lucy.

00:10:14.220 --> 00:10:25.800 Lucie Levine: Well, there wasn't very, very significant Revolutionary War history in new york city as a whole because New York City became the stronghold and base of operations of the British for effort in

00:10:26.130 --> 00:10:30.630 Lucie Levine: North America, following the Battle of Brooklyn. So the battle Brooklyn did not take place here.

00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:41.910 Lucie Levine: It took place in what is now Prospect Park and we would cemetery and back to me with cemetery. We have battlefield, which is the highest natural point in Brooklyn, which the Kyle army was trying to hold it wasn't able to hold

00:10:43.500 --> 00:10:52.350 Lucie Levine: So well you know that bell was going on around places like Flatbush Avenue and and the park and the cemetery, which I mentioned

00:10:53.310 --> 00:10:56.940 Lucie Levine: The degree to which it really touched me point was that there was

00:10:57.270 --> 00:11:11.220 Lucie Levine: A post a bridge command hearing me point. And so, members of those original families who were living here, then those roles in particular were actually taken as prisoners during the war because they were suspected of having revolution, our sympathies.

00:11:11.910 --> 00:11:20.190 Jeff Goodman: Well, I know this is going to be a really granular question where any of them confined to to those horrible prison ships and wall about bang or did they keep them someplace else.

00:11:20.850 --> 00:11:25.320 Lucie Levine: So what's so interesting about the way that the British dealt with their prisoners.

00:11:26.130 --> 00:11:36.000 Lucie Levine: Was that it to me was a class based issue. And so people who may consider to be of a more gentlemanly or landowning class.

00:11:36.510 --> 00:11:50.760 Lucie Levine: They would put on parole, it would not to put in the prison ships, because the prison ships as horrific as they were, were so terrific because they were meant for people who the British would have considered common people, or people not

00:11:52.500 --> 00:12:10.500 Lucie Levine: Deserving of the kind of maybe a claim that they would be willing to give to more wealthy citizens of New York. And since the same as roles and other, you know, members of these families were landowning families and, you know, they would not have been put on ships.

00:12:11.850 --> 00:12:23.040 Jeff Goodman: Well, let's fast forward back 50 years after the Revolutionary War. I'm, I'm sure most of our listeners know that Brooklyn was incorporated as a city in 1834 actually didn't know the exact date until earlier today.

00:12:24.030 --> 00:12:35.970 Jeff Goodman: Of course it didn't span what's now the entire 64 square miles of Brooklyn originally was, you know, what's that Brooklyn Heights and down to maybe work awareness is right now. When did Greenpoint become part of the city of Brooklyn.

00:12:37.380 --> 00:12:52.380 Lucie Levine: Becomes part of the greater city in Brooklyn in 1865 which is when what you're talking about. It's what we now call the borough of Brooklyn Brooklyn became itself. So, Brooklyn, as we know it was incorporated in 1855 and angry as part of that incorporation.

00:12:53.940 --> 00:13:07.800 Jeff Goodman: When did Greenpoint begin to develop into the kind of neighborhood, we would begin recognizing today with the with the streets with the street layout being the way it is. Maybe some of the, the older residential buildings, when, when did that start

00:13:08.340 --> 00:13:15.990 Lucie Levine: So I'll give you two dates 118 32 which is when Messiah bliss, who is kind of noticed the godfather of main point.

00:13:16.830 --> 00:13:25.410 Lucie Levine: Married into the miserable family and began to buy up was given land by them. But then began to buy up what would become today's Greenpoint

00:13:26.130 --> 00:13:29.310 Lucie Levine: And with that landholding he began to lay out

00:13:29.790 --> 00:13:46.050 Lucie Levine: The grid that we have increasingly today, which is that he gave us our alphabetical streams so north to sell, you know, we start to get ash bucks claim DuPont Eagle Freeman, you know, and it goes alphabetically down to pinpoint Avenue. So that was his doing and then

00:13:47.430 --> 00:13:54.660 Lucie Levine: He also brought us in the 1840s, he, he made it possible for Greenpoint to be

00:13:55.050 --> 00:14:06.630 Lucie Levine: Sort of incorporated into what would become a greater New York because he gives us our fairies. So before that we didn't really have a way of getting from Greenpoint to sort of other points of the city, but because

00:14:06.660 --> 00:14:07.920 Jeff Goodman: There was no G train back then.

00:14:08.580 --> 00:14:27.450 Lucie Levine: Oh, no, no. Not until 1933 do we get our country. So, because I have less. There's a little bit more connection to the rest of the city. And then when that consolidation that we were talking about in 1855 now Greenpoint is part of a larger Brooklyn and so once it's part of a larger Brooklyn.

00:14:28.530 --> 00:14:40.140 Lucie Levine: There is access to labor to municipal funds to industry that's going to change the waterfront. And so from 1855 on

00:14:40.950 --> 00:14:52.170 Lucie Levine: Into the civil war on after the Civil War. I'm we start to get the real growth of Greenpoint industry as we understand it. And so that will be really the engine for the development of

00:14:53.220 --> 00:15:01.920 Jeff Goodman: Oh well, great. It's fascinating. I'm obviously I love the history of New York City and, you know, we're one of the oldest cities in the country. We go back 400 years

00:15:02.310 --> 00:15:11.130 Jeff Goodman: And there's so much history tied up in this in this incredible place we're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Lucy Levine of archive on parade.

00:15:11.670 --> 00:15:16.890 Jeff Goodman: You were listening to rediscovering New York and our episode on Greenpoint in Brooklyn. We'll be back in a minute.

00:17:21.120 --> 00:17:30.840 Jeff Goodman: We're back and you're back to rediscovering New York and our episode on Greenpoint in Brooklyn. My first guest is Lucy Levine, the founder of archive on parade.

00:17:31.350 --> 00:17:43.290 Jeff Goodman: Lucy. Tell us a little bit about some of your more favorite. I mean, I'm sure every single tour offering you give us your favorites, or but, you know, what are some of the more unusual of the more interesting towards that that you give an archive on parade.

00:17:43.800 --> 00:17:47.310 Lucie Levine: Sure, well I tackle a great deal of

00:17:48.990 --> 00:17:59.640 Lucie Levine: Topics. And so I've had a lot of fun being able to give a history of the public health system here in New York City, which I think is very apropos of our current moment.

00:18:00.360 --> 00:18:09.600 Lucie Levine: I've really enjoyed being able to give towards regarding the industrial history of the Brooklyn waterfront, which is something we're actually talking about tonight on this program. So that's

00:18:10.650 --> 00:18:17.280 Lucie Levine: Topical and relevant as well. I particularly enjoy I have I have spoken, even with you about

00:18:18.690 --> 00:18:27.270 Lucie Levine: The history of women's suffrage in Brooklyn Heights and then as a larger experience in New York City as part of that movement.

00:18:27.930 --> 00:18:34.470 Lucie Levine: Which is particularly relevant even now because we're looking at the the subtitle of suffering, which is great. I also do

00:18:35.190 --> 00:18:47.160 Lucie Levine: Tours on the history of espionage in New York City, which I believe are my most popular, not because I am so wonderful, but because spies are so wonderful. Right. Spies are cool. And I think that that really sells it

00:18:47.940 --> 00:19:01.890 Jeff Goodman: That's one tour. I'm gonna have to go on when we don't have to do this physical distancing regimen anymore. I'm speaking of which, um, what kinds are you providing any offerings. Now in this in this age of coven where where we can't be physically connected

00:19:02.760 --> 00:19:09.510 Lucie Levine: Absolutely. Thank you so much for asking. Just as you are so ingenious to do this over zoom and over Facebook Live

00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:17.160 Lucie Levine: So have I had the opportunity to work with a variety of organizations that are offering tours in that matter. So coming up.

00:19:17.520 --> 00:19:29.880 Lucie Levine: This week and next I have tours with the New York adventure club over there, digital platform tours with village preservation as well as the historic districts Council.

00:19:30.750 --> 00:19:39.630 Lucie Levine: And even the municipal art society all digitally all over zoom and so it's just been a really exciting experience to

00:19:40.560 --> 00:19:54.810 Lucie Levine: You know, take these towards that had been these very interactive. You know place oriented towards an okay, you know, how can I do them digitally, but it has been really rewarding to have that experience and to be able to connect with people in this type of isolation.

00:19:55.500 --> 00:19:57.630 Jeff Goodman: And how can people find out about your programming was saying.

00:19:58.770 --> 00:20:11.280 Lucie Levine: My events are listed on my website that's archive on parade.com. You can also follow me on Instagram at archive Andre or Twitter or Facebook same handle

00:20:11.730 --> 00:20:22.650 Lucie Levine: And so all the information will be there for you. And if you would like. You can even sign up for my newsletter and find out all about towards that way. And if you go to my website. You can sign up as you

00:20:23.340 --> 00:20:32.580 Jeff Goodman: Great. Well, speaking of the industrialization of the Brooklyn waterfront, which you you talk about you really love love giving people tours about

00:20:33.060 --> 00:20:42.840 Jeff Goodman: Um, when did the industrialization in in Greenpoint really begin when we have seen the the the ramp up of the change to to this part of the city.

00:20:43.560 --> 00:20:52.110 Lucie Levine: So as I was mentioning before the break, and in 1855 main point becomes part of a greater Brooklyn, the city of Brooklyn.

00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:59.580 Lucie Levine: And we start to see this incredible boom in industrialization that will continue through the Civil War and really up

00:21:00.150 --> 00:21:13.830 Lucie Levine: Through the Second World War. In fact, between the Civil War and the Second World War, the Brooklyn waterfront was known as America's hardware store because there were just so many products being manufactured here on

00:21:16.020 --> 00:21:20.670 Jeff Goodman: The Civil War buffs, a very famous ship was actually built in Greenpoint it also the shipbuilding industry.

00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:31.020 Lucie Levine: Yes, the monitor the USS Monitor, which was the first ironclad battleship in the US Navy Arsenal was at Bushwick image here.

00:21:32.100 --> 00:21:40.470 Lucie Levine: in Greenpoint and in fact we have many landmarks in our, in our neighborhood. Today we have the bottom of your school, and we have monitor streets.

00:21:40.950 --> 00:22:00.270 Lucie Levine: We also have in what is today McCulloch park a statue a memorial regarding the monitor. So a lot of love for the way even to a degree, have a mother museum that has gone in and out of, you know, funding and but has a lot of love in the neighborhood.

00:22:01.080 --> 00:22:06.360 Jeff Goodman: So it's, there's a monument to the monitor, but not the Merrimack a sorry bad joke, especially these times, but

00:22:08.430 --> 00:22:13.050 Jeff Goodman: What were the industries that that would have been based there, aside from aside from shipbuilding.

00:22:13.710 --> 00:22:23.700 Lucie Levine: So she's building was the largest. In fact, when we talk about the Greenpoint Historic District, which was a landmark by the New York City. Landmarks Preservation Commission in 1982

00:22:24.570 --> 00:22:34.350 Lucie Levine: Many of those things that we that were landmarked in that still characterize our neighborhood. Today we're built by the shipbuilders themselves as housing.

00:22:35.370 --> 00:22:43.530 Lucie Levine: For themselves and their families. But beyond shipbuilding. There was also porcelain was a major industry glass was a major industry.

00:22:45.270 --> 00:22:47.970 Lucie Levine: Jude was a major industry and

00:22:49.710 --> 00:23:08.160 Lucie Levine: They are there were just an incredible variety. There was also, of course, the astral oil works owned by Charles Pratt and, of course, a little further south in Williamsburg even be Brooklyn waterfront would not be what it is today without the American sugar refining company which as

00:23:10.020 --> 00:23:12.480 Lucie Levine: A symbol of the waterfront for generations, which was

00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:22.890 Jeff Goodman: And Charles proud actually an astral he ended up selling his oil works in the late 1870s, to a very famous American that everyone would recognize the name of

00:23:23.820 --> 00:23:36.960 Lucie Levine: Yes, indeed, he sold it to JOHN D. Rockefeller and that would become part of Standard Oil. So when we think of oil in the United States, of course, we think of the Rockefellers and that incredible fortune, but Charles Pratt.

00:23:38.580 --> 00:23:45.180 Lucie Levine: Has a lasting legacy in Greenpoint he created the astral apartments, which were designed by lab and which

00:23:46.260 --> 00:24:03.270 Lucie Levine: Which was a very, very famous firm in the 19th century and and those apartments still stand today because they're landmarked and they're considered some of the most extraordinary examples of urban workers housing in the United States. Hmm.

00:24:04.020 --> 00:24:12.030 Jeff Goodman: Another name that that most people would recognize is Eberhardt anyone who's taking the test and use the number two pencil.

00:24:12.990 --> 00:24:23.670 Jeff Goodman: Or in the old days, even to we mathematical equations. I don't know if if school kids use use pencils that one math but Eberhardt had its lead pencil factory in Brooklyn in Greenpoint

00:24:24.090 --> 00:24:33.210 Lucie Levine: Absolutely even heard favor. So the pickle factory as our co working spaces and green pointers has its offices there. So I know that Julian. We'll talk more about that, but

00:24:34.260 --> 00:24:35.220 Lucie Levine: The pencil factory.

00:24:36.750 --> 00:24:45.000 Lucie Levine: Is also landmark, but this is such a wonderful landmark because not only do you have this incredible industrial history, but also

00:24:45.600 --> 00:24:51.600 Lucie Levine: You know, you're talking about something that I think has touched almost all of our lives, as you say, you know, school kids using cancels also

00:24:51.870 --> 00:24:58.560 Lucie Levine: Even our paper invented colored pencils. And so the first colored pencils ever created were created here in Greenpoint

00:24:59.490 --> 00:25:13.350 Lucie Levine: Because I had mentioned that it's the hundredth anniversary, the centennial of the 19th Amendment, I will point out also that even my favorite in their factory here in Greenpoint I'm employed.

00:25:14.820 --> 00:25:28.740 Lucie Levine: To a large degree, almost all women, which is really something special and we talked about industrial history because I think very often when we talk about industrial history, we're not thinking necessarily about women that that seems to be sort of a more masculine.

00:25:30.630 --> 00:25:35.040 Lucie Levine: You know trade in terms of industry, but actually at the paper, pencil factory. It was

00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:43.380 Jeff Goodman: Um, well, there are a couple of other thing interesting things about green points history. It has the oldest continuing Elementary School in the city of New York.

00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.260 Lucie Levine: Yes, it does. So PS 34

00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.800 Lucie Levine: Was built in.

00:25:50.910 --> 00:25:57.810 Lucie Levine: 1867 so right after the Civil War as an elementary school, and it remains one to this day. So it has been emerged.

00:25:58.350 --> 00:26:05.040 Lucie Levine: Over the decades on the centuries, but it's actually stealing us for its primary purpose, which is really quite cool. And not only that,

00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:18.990 Lucie Levine: It's not only the oldest elementary school, but it also is the first Elementary School in New York City to have a dual language program that also offers classes in Polish to cater to the Polish community here huh

00:26:19.350 --> 00:26:32.580 Jeff Goodman: And that brings us to the history of immigrant communities in Greenpoint New York of courses is full of different different peoples coming from different places which immigrant community settled in Greenpoint and when would they have. And when would they have have arrived.

00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:40.020 Lucie Levine: So the largest immigrant communities that have characterized the treatment of course the Polish community.

00:26:40.770 --> 00:26:56.340 Lucie Levine: Which still is very much a part of Greenpoint today. This was for decades, called Little Poland, and then also the Irish community. So as I was mentioning the build up of meeting point in the 1850s 1840s 1850s. Well, that also mapped to

00:26:57.030 --> 00:27:06.420 Lucie Levine: You know, the Irish potato famine and the idea of just mass exodus from Ireland, and they're being up a great deal of Irish immigration to New York City and several

00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:17.880 Lucie Levine: You know, Irish communities, making their way here to Greenpoint so the Irish made their way to pinpoint before the Polish community and there were

00:27:18.450 --> 00:27:28.800 Lucie Levine: Some berries are larger than life figures from the Irish community who came to define Greenpoint among them. Patrick and Karen, for whom mccarren Park is named. He was a state senator

00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:35.670 Lucie Levine: And then, of course, Pete McGuinness, who was known as the king of Greenpoint he began

00:27:36.780 --> 00:27:42.810 Lucie Levine: His career in Greenpoint as a doc worker, and then he was also a boxer. And then he became part of

00:27:43.290 --> 00:27:57.720 Lucie Levine: The Board of Aldermen, which is what we would now call the city council in New York City. And so he sort of ran main point he had the people get us democratic club. And so he was really political boss hearing me point and he brought us to gene.

00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:59.670 Jeff Goodman: Baur his name, while he was still alive.

00:28:01.410 --> 00:28:08.430 Lucie Levine: Yes, indeed. I mean, he was just, you know, he was just this very much larger than I figure and, you know, keep it very

00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:27.690 Lucie Levine: Very well. He was our own kind of boss tweet, if you like, but not not corrupt to the same degree, but he brought us he brought us McCarran pool as well as the G train and like a host of sort of municipal advantages that perhaps we would not have had without

00:28:29.370 --> 00:28:35.730 Jeff Goodman: Greenpoint is also famous for having the first undefeated baseball team in the United States.

00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:44.460 Lucie Levine: Yes, yes, I was so excited that we got to talk about this on the show because you know there's been so much Sterman talk around. Are we going to have a baseball season this year. What will it look like

00:28:44.850 --> 00:29:03.900 Lucie Levine: Um, so whenever I am thinking about baseball. I remember that the Brooklyn experts were the very first undefeated baseball team in American history. We have a an effort streets here in any point, but I have to tell you, they didn't play with actually played in Williamsburg.

00:29:05.430 --> 00:29:20.850 Lucie Levine: The Union grounds, a little further south from us in Williamsburg was the first enclosed baseball stadium in the United States. And so when we talk about, you know, baseball in Brooklyn before we're talking about the Dodgers. We're really talking about the Brooklyn efforts playing

00:29:21.930 --> 00:29:23.040 Lucie Levine: Eating grounds.

00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:29.160 Jeff Goodman: Well darker part of green points history Lucy is that of environmental pollution and catastrophe.

00:29:29.850 --> 00:29:41.490 Jeff Goodman: In 1950 there was the famous Greenpoint oil spill, which until then was the largest oil spill in the United States, and they're still cleaning it up. There's still damage a new time Creek from that spill.

00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:51.780 Lucie Levine: We are still really dealing with the fallout of that here in Greenpoint and what I think wonderful is that the city of New York has really

00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:54.990 Lucie Levine: In a way, come to

00:29:57.390 --> 00:30:03.630 Lucie Levine: memorialize that to a degree, because we're putting up our new Greenpoint library right now. It's actually almost done.

00:30:05.550 --> 00:30:13.890 Lucie Levine: And it is a green point library and environmental center. And one of the first projects which is already underway, even though the library itself is not open

00:30:14.490 --> 00:30:23.490 Lucie Levine: Is an oral history of environmental impact at any point. So, speaking to residents about what their experience has been, you know, regarding the

00:30:23.970 --> 00:30:41.010 Lucie Levine: The pollution that longtime residents had to deal with and that solution also lead to the GC. So the main point Community environmental fund which Exxon Mobil because Exxon Mobil was responsible for the spill.

00:30:42.690 --> 00:30:43.710 Lucie Levine: Once

00:30:45.750 --> 00:30:53.100 Lucie Levine: rolled into legislative fully rolled into having to contribute to so that axon to this day has to support

00:30:53.760 --> 00:31:09.600 Lucie Levine: environmental projects within the community. And so when it comes to a community activism in Greenpoint there is a you know a really sort of intergenerational fully residential push to creating a cleaner and safer Greenpoint

00:31:09.930 --> 00:31:20.970 Jeff Goodman: Hmm, well, that's great. I'm Lucy Levine. Thank you so much for being our first guest on the show back Greenpoint our first guest on this show of rediscovering your feedback Greenpoint

00:31:21.360 --> 00:31:30.660 Jeff Goodman: Has been Lucy Levine Lucy is the founder of a great tour company called archive on parade. You can connect with Lucy at WWW dot archive on parade com

00:31:31.560 --> 00:31:39.900 Jeff Goodman: We're going to take a short break and when we come back we're gonna talk about more recent changes to green point with our second guest will be back in a moment.

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00:35:30.930 --> 00:35:42.930 Jeff Goodman: Our next guest is another green pointer Julia. Julia is owner and publisher of green pointers.com hyper local media outlet covering the areas of Greenpoint and Williamsburg in Brooklyn, of course.

00:35:44.010 --> 00:35:52.680 Jeff Goodman: After 12 years as working as a product developer. And while browsing the latest neighborhood news on green pointers. She saw that it was for sale and decided to buy it.

00:35:53.400 --> 00:36:04.140 Jeff Goodman: Despite having no experience in journalism or events, Julia bought it in 2015 hit the ground running and immediately started writing stories and producing the first of many seasonal markets.

00:36:04.740 --> 00:36:13.380 Jeff Goodman: Under her leadership green pointers audience has grown substantially and its local coverage has not only had direct impact on its community, but as see national and international reach

00:36:14.040 --> 00:36:19.320 Jeff Goodman: The seasonal markets have supported the launch of many independent small businesses, helping to drive the creative local economy.

00:36:20.220 --> 00:36:35.370 Jeff Goodman: In 2016 Julia resurrected Greenpoint open studios, a popular yearly event that draws over 400 participating local artists and thousands of visitors Julia moak a hearty welcome to rediscovering New York. Thanks for having me.

00:36:36.510 --> 00:36:38.070 Jeff Goodman: You're originally from the city, aren't you

00:36:38.790 --> 00:36:48.600 juliamoak: Yeah, and I was born in Korea, but I made parents immigrated here when I was baby so I consider myself a native New Yorker.

00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:51.000 Jeff Goodman: Oh. When did you move to Greenpoint Julia.

00:36:52.110 --> 00:36:54.660 juliamoak: I moved here in 2011

00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:59.940 juliamoak: Before that I had lived like you know about a 10 minute walk

00:37:00.990 --> 00:37:04.740 juliamoak: in Williamsburg, technically, but the borders are very close

00:37:05.610 --> 00:37:14.730 Jeff Goodman: So what made you decide to move to Greenpoint from Williamsburg, they really are close and separated by. I mean, I've been across. I don't know what the official dividing line is. But there's a little park there and

00:37:15.030 --> 00:37:21.150 Jeff Goodman: Have crossed it a number of times, but I don't know what the you know what the demarcation line is, what have you moved to Greenpoint from Williamsburg.

00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:30.210 juliamoak: Well, that was renting and believe surgeon and 2011. It was a looking to buy a place. And so I bought a place in Greenpoint

00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:31.560 Don't great

00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.920 Jeff Goodman: What was your career path before you bought green pointers.

00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.600 juliamoak: I'm sorry you broke up a little guy here.

00:37:43.950 --> 00:37:51.630 Jeff Goodman: Yes. Yes. What did. What were you doing professionally before before you decided to go into an entire neighborhood publishing and advertising events.

00:37:52.290 --> 00:37:54.720 juliamoak: So I was a product developer for

00:37:55.830 --> 00:38:03.630 juliamoak: Over 10 years 12 years and I was working on creating conceptualizing designing web based applications.

00:38:05.850 --> 00:38:07.740 Jeff Goodman: Is Greenpoint is the first business that you want.

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:09.480 juliamoak: Yes.

00:38:10.080 --> 00:38:10.290 Oh,

00:38:11.550 --> 00:38:30.270 juliamoak: I should clarify that at the time when they bought green pointers. It wasn't so much as a business decision as it was more of a quest to find something different to do and redefined what I thought of as a success in getting in touch with my creative side. Oh.

00:38:30.450 --> 00:38:33.840 Jeff Goodman: And and you found it, because all of a sudden you were, you were

00:38:34.950 --> 00:38:40.410 Jeff Goodman: Looking at it reading it online with it and and and some and it was for sale. All of a sudden, and you got the bug.

00:38:41.340 --> 00:38:50.820 juliamoak: Yeah, I mean I had been following three pointers for years. And at that time, it was working very demanding.

00:38:52.170 --> 00:39:00.810 juliamoak: Looking for the time I was quitting and looking for a transition I was also looking to

00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:06.000 juliamoak: Like get on hold and

00:39:07.230 --> 00:39:17.100 juliamoak: Look for something to do with the neighborhood and reconnect with the news and I was reading great pointers. When I started on sale. So I wasn't really looking to buy anything at the time, but um

00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:25.440 juliamoak: Once the seed was planted I, you know, looked into it further. And about a month later, I was the new owner big winners.

00:39:26.010 --> 00:39:32.550 Jeff Goodman: Well, you know, I never talked about it on the show before I had you had a very similar experience to me in the 80s, I

00:39:33.060 --> 00:39:41.190 Jeff Goodman: Was a member of the small chamber of commerce. It was actually New York's LGBT Chamber of Commerce. So, though there was no bb&t in the lexicon. In those days, it was the gay and lesbian chamber of commerce.

00:39:41.580 --> 00:39:47.310 Jeff Goodman: And I was not very happy. And what I was doing and I knew these guys who own this advertising company.

00:39:47.970 --> 00:39:57.180 Jeff Goodman: They produced maps and guides for specific cities, not unlike what you do green pointers, and it was for sale, and all of a sudden, I thought, Gee, I'm going to make a change and

00:39:58.050 --> 00:40:04.560 Jeff Goodman: I borrowed $2,000 from my uncle is a down payment, and a big and became a business person from that point on, so that's great.

00:40:05.370 --> 00:40:14.490 Jeff Goodman: Um, let's talk about a little bit about how you are engaged with the community in Greenpoint. What are the seasonal markets that that you helped create with green porn is what are they

00:40:15.600 --> 00:40:27.300 juliamoak: Well, right now because of what's going on. Um, my primary engagement with the community is delivering online. Use the CCL markets are on pause because

00:40:28.230 --> 00:40:43.620 juliamoak: It's very much about in person interaction. But what they are is so one day sort of festival that brings the community together around 60 to 70 cheery independent artists ins and small businesses and

00:40:45.270 --> 00:40:59.850 juliamoak: vendors who showcase their stuff and sell stuff. Um, and then we have a lot of activities surrounding that. So we have, you know, free activities like a photo booth that I usually create with an artist or

00:41:01.050 --> 00:41:03.060 juliamoak: You know massages or

00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:12.960 juliamoak: Nail art and you know it's it's really like about celebrating the creative energy and supporting local commerce in the neighborhood.

00:41:13.500 --> 00:41:20.820 juliamoak: It's also takes place in one of the most beautiful historic places in Greenpoint called Greenpoint La Fenix think

00:41:21.540 --> 00:41:39.300 juliamoak: Correct me if I'm wrong, Lucy, I believe that it's the used to be the site of one of the largest for manufacturing companies in the US. So it's and it's only really open to the public. Once in a while when we open when we do the market.

00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:43.890 Jeff Goodman: Oh, another season of markets, different from from Greenpoint open studios.

00:41:44.610 --> 00:41:53.640 juliamoak: Yeah, great point. Open Studios is a whole different thing where we were artists in the neighborhood, open up their studios to the public.

00:41:54.120 --> 00:42:04.530 juliamoak: And in recent years, we've seen up to 400 artists participate and it's, it's a, what it's a weekend event, but we also do a lot of

00:42:04.890 --> 00:42:20.910 juliamoak: Little meetups and things to create a sense of community and support local artists in the neighborhood leading up to the event. So, that is also on pause until we're able to interact in person. Um, but yeah.

00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.410 Jeff Goodman: How often do you do the, you know,

00:42:26.640 --> 00:42:32.700 Jeff Goodman: Health precautions permitting, how often would you do the green point open Studios is it seasonal is an annual

00:42:33.210 --> 00:42:48.270 juliamoak: It's an annually. Right now, we talked about doing before everything happened, doing, doing them seasonally with many Open Studio sees lily on throughout the year. But all that stuff is on pause at the moment.

00:42:48.810 --> 00:42:56.190 Jeff Goodman: Um, and how often on with the seasonal more obviously their own clothes. Now, but how often would the seasonal markets happen.

00:42:57.090 --> 00:43:07.680 juliamoak: The CSL markets, maybe do one usually around hops around and holiday. So we have a Valentine's the market holiday themed market and usually a spring market.

00:43:08.520 --> 00:43:18.150 juliamoak: We've had summer markets in the past and like the last two years we stopped doing that because we it coincides too much with Greenpoint open studios.

00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:24.630 Jeff Goodman: Are they knew each other in the same place or can one go from the markets to

00:43:25.950 --> 00:43:32.550 juliamoak: But you know, I, I'm one person and a limited bandwidth to plan events around the same time.

00:43:34.410 --> 00:43:39.870 Jeff Goodman: And how did you, how did Greenpoint has come to be in the in the old Eberhardt pencil factory.

00:43:41.700 --> 00:43:50.460 juliamoak: Well, you know, we work out of a co working space so um you know somebody who was working there approached me and said, this new co working spaces, opening up

00:43:50.910 --> 00:44:04.530 juliamoak: And I visited it and i think i was like their second tenant at the time. And yeah, it's just a beautiful space that has like a 360 views of the neighborhood it faces on the water tower.

00:44:05.850 --> 00:44:09.600 juliamoak: And yeah, that's just how I ended up there. It's a co working space called pencil.

00:44:10.530 --> 00:44:12.810 Jeff Goodman: Pencil works, how appropriate and not ever hard. Okay.

00:44:13.890 --> 00:44:24.810 Jeff Goodman: Obviously I haven't been there. Okay, well, we're gonna take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Julian moak who's the owner and publisher of green pointers.com we'll be back in a moment.

00:46:15.030 --> 00:46:24.780 Jeff Goodman: We're back to this episode on Greenpoint in Brooklyn on rediscovering New York. And it really is a Greenpoint fest my two guests both live in Greenpoint

00:46:25.830 --> 00:46:33.540 Jeff Goodman: One of them has given towards the green point and the other owns a media company about Greenpoint Greenpoint there's calm and of course I'm talking about Julia.

00:46:34.770 --> 00:46:39.150 Jeff Goodman: Julia describe the vibe of Greenpoint. What is that you like about it.

00:46:40.830 --> 00:46:51.720 juliamoak: So what I like about three point is that it hasn't really cozy intimate neighborhood that without feeling like a small town so it takes me about 10

00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:55.740 juliamoak: It should normally take me about 10 to 15 minutes to

00:46:56.610 --> 00:47:19.050 juliamoak: walk to work from my house to my office and works, but a lot of times it takes me like an hour or more, because I'm constantly running into people I know and the way I get into conversation with my local barista at your cafe and I'm so to me, this, this very much feels like home.

00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:27.030 juliamoak: Even though there's a lot of shifts and changes. There's it really feels like a cozy community.

00:47:28.170 --> 00:47:34.290 Jeff Goodman: What kind of shifts and changes have you seen lately and in Greenpoint since you since you moved in.

00:47:37.650 --> 00:47:45.180 juliamoak: Well, since I've moved in. I mean, I can obviously we're experiencing know all the changes that come with

00:47:45.600 --> 00:47:53.970 juliamoak: That typically come with gentrification, I think, more recently, and I don't know if this is specific to Greenpoint as it is like

00:47:54.450 --> 00:48:03.060 juliamoak: More, more of a symptom of what's happening right now. Um, we have a lot of small businesses closing, it's been

00:48:03.720 --> 00:48:13.770 juliamoak: Like a death knell of storefronts closing in the neighborhood because of rising costs a lot of my friends have moved out of the neighborhood or move to the West Coast, I'm

00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:35.010 juliamoak: In in the last couple of months, we've been praying on closures every week. Um, so there's been huge shifts in the neighborhood. I feel like in the last couple of months, but there, there has been similar shifts happening leading up to when we have to do the shutdown. Hmm.

00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:45.240 Jeff Goodman: Well, one of the things you know it's interesting. One of the things that leads to a more rapid change in the neighborhood, especially in housing stock is when neighborhoods.

00:48:46.170 --> 00:48:56.580 Jeff Goodman: When most of the dwellings are actually less than, less than six units because of the rent regulation laws. I mean, that's one of the things that contributed to the rapid change of Williamsburg was that so much of the housing stock was

00:48:57.270 --> 00:49:04.410 Jeff Goodman: Houses that didn't have didn't have a lot of rental units. And so they were not rent. Rent regulated and Greenpoint

00:49:04.950 --> 00:49:09.060 Jeff Goodman: Is largely the same. There are a lot of houses that are broken up into apartments.

00:49:09.870 --> 00:49:18.180 Jeff Goodman: So that is one of the things that's happened in Greenpoint as well. But one of the nice things about Greenpoint to is that there's been some really nice construction of new housing.

00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:29.880 Jeff Goodman: Especially in the streets of Jason. Jason to the East River. Um, what do you think makes to you what what makes Greenpoint exciting. JULIA What are you excited about in the back report.

00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:42.630 juliamoak: Well, exciting is a strong word. I would say what I really appreciate about green point is that it's a relatively small neighborhood that there's a lot packed in

00:49:43.080 --> 00:49:57.030 juliamoak: Like, you know, I can walk across the street, you know, in different times. I could walk across the street and go to a concert. I could walk a few blocks away and go to a party or we have some of the nicest

00:49:58.110 --> 00:49:59.790 juliamoak: restaurants around here.

00:50:00.900 --> 00:50:21.150 juliamoak: And you can experience Greenpoint in a lot of different levels. You can have authentic Polish food. Um, but at the same time, you can, you know, take a break and find some tranquility and local parks. So there's a variety of experiences, you can have here in Greenpoint um

00:50:22.290 --> 00:50:26.220 juliamoak: Even though it's, it's, you know, it's relatively small neighborhood.

00:50:27.240 --> 00:50:36.270 Jeff Goodman: Was a great little Polish bakery on Manhattan Avenue. I go to when I show property in the neighborhood. I forgot the name of it, but I go in and buy stuff and bring it home.

00:50:38.100 --> 00:50:39.810 Jeff Goodman: My husband really appreciates that when I do

00:50:41.970 --> 00:50:50.790 Jeff Goodman: I like to ask a question of people who've been in neighborhood for a while. Um, is there anything that surprised you about Greenpoint after you moved there.

00:50:52.560 --> 00:50:53.760 Jeff Goodman: Anything you found surprising.

00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:56.160 juliamoak: You know,

00:50:58.140 --> 00:51:05.790 juliamoak: Not so much like I we afterimage already was familiar with it. I would say what surprises me sometimes is

00:51:06.630 --> 00:51:29.250 juliamoak: Because curry point to me is kind of a healing places. This is the place where I find community. This is the place I go to where I feel safe and you know there's a sense of kinship in this neighborhood that that keeps me grounded. So what's surprising to me is

00:51:31.200 --> 00:51:46.050 juliamoak: When things come up like like as recently as a few months ago, there was some hate graffiti I'm anti aging hate for free, for example. So, and I'm an Asian person. So when when things like that come up, it's very

00:51:47.070 --> 00:51:57.870 juliamoak: surprising to me because it's not the green point. I know normally or experience but but those things doing to say

00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:13.830 Jeff Goodman: I'm sorry to hear that. And certainly in the, in the present climate of without getting political it's it's it's certainly contributed to to a tolerance and people and people expressing the hate that they have, um,

00:52:15.060 --> 00:52:18.810 Jeff Goodman: Is there anything that you struggle with in Greenpoint Julia, especially as a business owner

00:52:20.370 --> 00:52:27.090 juliamoak: Well, we're in the business of news and we're kind of living in pretty contentious times right now at, at a time when

00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:40.950 juliamoak: Local News is struggling media in general is struggling, especially local us. So, those, those things are challenging. Um, I think it's important to keep

00:52:41.490 --> 00:53:01.950 juliamoak: Local News going and keep people informed in this critical time. We recently, for example, obviously there's a lot going on between the racial tensions and the health crisis, but there's also elections that are, you know, hugely important to

00:53:02.970 --> 00:53:05.250 juliamoak: Like our future of the neighborhood and

00:53:05.520 --> 00:53:11.340 Jeff Goodman: And you've just had a very important a primary election that's so the defeat of a 24 term Member of the Assembly.

00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:38.760 juliamoak: Yeah, we had very spirited campaigns on both sides and um yeah like surprising outcomes. We had a 47 year old 47 year incumbent Joe and Joe was defeated by a young insurgent Emily Gallagher and the 36 year income in the district leader was also defeated by a newcomer cat.

00:53:41.130 --> 00:53:45.120 Jeff Goodman: Well, so, you know, that's one of the great things about New York is is

00:53:46.170 --> 00:54:05.730 Jeff Goodman: It's a city that's always changing. And it's a city as Lucy would be able to speak to that has always been a hotbed and on the cutting edge of reform is politics. So it's a I'm always intrigued and fascinated to see people with new ideas and representing you know, growing centers.

00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:12.600 Jeff Goodman: Of people who who want their voices heard and want new directions for for things in their communities.

00:54:14.970 --> 00:54:21.270 Jeff Goodman: As a business owner, Julia. Is there anything that you wish was in Greenpoint that isn't right now on a business or other level.

00:54:23.610 --> 00:54:24.300 juliamoak: Well,

00:54:26.910 --> 00:54:29.970 juliamoak: You know, I wish that we were having a pandemic.

00:54:31.140 --> 00:54:35.790 Jeff Goodman: Well, aside from that, I mean, you know, we always that but you know just from a neighborhood perspective, is there anything

00:54:37.020 --> 00:54:53.310 juliamoak: Yeah, I think it's really difficult for small business owners and with rising commercial rent and no protections to keep to keep in operation that I think that's the biggest challenge that we face. And you know, that's why we're having more and more empty storefronts

00:54:54.750 --> 00:55:01.770 juliamoak: And I think you see that happening a lot in the city. And we're seeing that happening more and more in in Northbrook one as well.

00:55:02.730 --> 00:55:08.760 Jeff Goodman: Is there any particular advice that you would give to someone who was thinking about opening up a business, specifically in Greenpoint

00:55:10.050 --> 00:55:32.220 juliamoak: Yeah, I would say to get to know the neighborhood, um, you know, and respect the people who are here. Don't come in thinking that you know you're gonna you're gonna bring something to the table. That's different. Just, just understand who we are and what we like before you do something else.

00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:41.010 juliamoak: Because three pointers are very supportive of local businesses, you know, they come together and support local but if you

00:55:42.540 --> 00:55:47.670 juliamoak: If you don't feel if you feel foreign they will also let me be loud about that too.

00:55:48.120 --> 00:55:54.450 Jeff Goodman: Oh, that sounds. It sounds kind of like a small town that has small town values as a neighborhood.

00:55:54.570 --> 00:56:01.590 juliamoak: Like I said, there is that sensibility, but it also feels expensive in that you can experience.

00:56:02.640 --> 00:56:07.380 juliamoak: All kinds of different things and meet new people and there's always room for discovery here.

00:56:09.540 --> 00:56:10.530 Jeff Goodman: Well, thank you, Julia.

00:56:11.970 --> 00:56:23.370 Jeff Goodman: My second guest on this program about Greenpoint Brooklyn has been Julia. Julia is the owner and publisher of green pointers, our first guest was another Greenpoint there Lucy Levine of archive on parade.

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