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Monday, October 26, 2020
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2020/10/26 - Men's Spirituality

[NEW EPISODE] Men's Spirituality

Men's Spiritual Work is as old as humankind---think Abraham, Jacob, David, the Apostles, and Paul in the West; Rumi and Hafez in the East.

But throughout the years, it seems by the late 20th Century, men were less involved with the workings of the inner/spiritual life.

Certainly we could observe this in the 80's and 90's where inside the churches, pews were predominantly occupied by woman and children rather that families. What has happened?


Tune in for this philosophical conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.


Show Notes

Segment 1

Dr. GeorgeAnn welcomes her listeners and introduces her guest and friend, Dominick Bencivenga. Together they discuss Dominick's spiritual journey and ways other men have evolved in their spirituality. Dominick shares his journey of spiritual direction by first touching on the early stages of his life. Starting with a bargain he made with his mother to stop going to church, this bargain was his first attempt at pulling away from the church. This taps into his thoughts behind the "small mind of the ego" and how it took a "surrender moment" after the birth of his daughter, Jacqueline, to fully embrace the likeness of God. Together they expand on how the church has evolved over time. 


Segment 2

Dr. GeorgeAnn opens up the segment by discussing the men's spirituality movement and Dominick's part in it. Dominick recalls the moment he felt the spirit calling him, leading him to a spirituality retreat that felt like home. The program, "Man Matters Spirituality," allowed him to connect with others who are on or interested in pursuing their own personal spiritual journey. Next, they dive into the initiation of boys becoming men throughout time in ancient cultures. These initiations are intended to pull female and nurturing energy away from the boys, allowing them to complete an initiation, to then come back and be seen in a different light. They then discuss how God tends to create a natural flow of spiritual development and the connection with God is unique in each of us.

 

Segment 3

Dr. GeorgeAnn opens the conversation in direction of Dominick's early path to widening his wisdom. His journey from a boy to a man, spiritually. Dominick then shares stories of other spiritual masters and names books that have helped him the most through life. Helping with work relationships, family relationships and marital relationships. Dominic shares a beautiful story of how an unwanted trip into the forest has changed his outlook forever. GeorgeAnn comments it's moments like these that "loosen up the compacted soil, so one can flourish." 


Segment 4

Dr. GeorgeAnn begins the final segment by instilling the importance of spirituality in a man's life and the framework behind getting the journey. Dominick explains his psychoanalytical perspective and dives deeper into explaining "Illuman” a worldwide organization that supports the inner work that goes into connecting men who are on a journey of reaching their full spiritual potential. Men transforming men. Dominick shares how the pursuit of his own journey is what led him to want to serve others. GeorgeAnn talks about separating ourselves from material things that we think define us and focusing on letting go. The segment is closed with a prayer.


Transcript

00:00:39.210 --> 00:00:40.260 Georgeann Dau: Hi, good evening.

00:00:42.420 --> 00:00:47.130 Georgeann Dau: I'm Dr. George. And thank you for joining me at my show tonight.

00:00:48.510 --> 00:00:49.470 Georgeann Dau: A journey through

00:00:51.030 --> 00:00:53.670 Georgeann Dau: So the past couple of weeks, we've been looking at

00:00:54.900 --> 00:00:58.620 Georgeann Dau: Psycho spirituality, we've been looking at

00:00:59.700 --> 00:01:08.520 Georgeann Dau: From many different directions. What goes on for us from the time we are in the womb onward through our development.

00:01:09.630 --> 00:01:18.960 Georgeann Dau: revealing itself in many different ways, as adults, and we're going to get into that more at some point. But tonight.

00:01:20.010 --> 00:01:35.880 Georgeann Dau: We're very blessed to have a guest with us tonight. One of my favorite people in the whole world. Dominic pensive anger and he's going to share with us tonight. Some of his insulin in sites.

00:01:36.900 --> 00:01:50.940 Georgeann Dau: With men spirituality and his involvement with all of that because there is a lot of work in that area being done. So this is Dominic Penna Dominic. You want to say hello.

00:01:51.450 --> 00:01:53.760 Dominick Bencivenga: Hi everybody. And good evening. George and how are you

00:01:54.180 --> 00:01:55.980 Dominick Bencivenga: I'm well, thank you. See you.

00:01:56.700 --> 00:01:59.430 Georgeann Dau: Good to see you. Always so

00:02:00.630 --> 00:02:20.070 Georgeann Dau: Dominic. We met many, many years ago, we met at the seminary. Yeah. Both of us studying, you know, spirituality theology. Um, do you want to start tonight talking a little bit about your journey and how you arrived with, you know, your work and your inner work where you are in your journey now.

00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:25.530 Dominick Bencivenga: As one could expect from my name. I have an Italian American background.

00:02:26.700 --> 00:02:34.800 Dominick Bencivenga: Which meant certainly growing up in the 60s. I was raised Roman Catholic true and true no baptized within a week of being born.

00:02:35.820 --> 00:02:44.460 Dominick Bencivenga: Went through all my all my sacraments, but I do remember a bargain. I made with my mother, I was the oldest of at the time for children is five of us now.

00:02:45.510 --> 00:02:56.250 Dominick Bencivenga: And the bargain. I made with my mother is as soon as I got confirmed I no longer had to go to church and my mother accepted that bargain, which was very interesting, because that put me my whole life on a whole different charity.

00:02:57.270 --> 00:02:57.750 Georgeann Dau: Yeah.

00:02:58.530 --> 00:03:06.660 Dominick Bencivenga: And that journey was really one of, like, just I think what a lot of Catholics face particularly these these days is we went away from the church.

00:03:07.260 --> 00:03:22.110 Dominick Bencivenga: So my journey that came back to faith that came back to church happened with a both birth of my oldest daughter Jacqueline who you know and have met and Jacqueline was born in February of 1988

00:03:23.190 --> 00:03:34.860 Dominick Bencivenga: So I was now about 26 years old and that was the path that really started having both a combination of being more faithful to my religion.

00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:49.140 Dominick Bencivenga: And learning more about it, but also opening up the thing called spirit and having the work of the Holy Spirit work in me and through me and at the time I think we were in the same parish Father Tom petrino you might remember

00:03:49.530 --> 00:03:49.950 Was

00:03:51.030 --> 00:03:57.090 Dominick Bencivenga: Just my guide. He was, what would you call a spiritual director today, even though I wasn't seeing him for spiritual direction.

00:03:57.870 --> 00:04:03.900 Dominick Bencivenga: And I reached the point with Tom, where he said to me, you know, Dominic I've taken you as far as I can go with this, which is very wise of him.

00:04:04.710 --> 00:04:11.730 Dominick Bencivenga: He says you need to go to this program, you need to pray about and see if this is right for you, which is the past or formation institute that the Diocese of Rockville center.

00:04:12.570 --> 00:04:25.260 Dominick Bencivenga: Has and still does. And it was the most wonderful thing that I have been through. And now you speak very highly of it. And that's the effort mentioned meeting that people just you just discussed was during that program on what they call the Myers Briggs weekend.

00:04:26.490 --> 00:04:34.230 Dominick Bencivenga: So that was the beginning of a very long journey for me that has just been continuing and growing since then.

00:04:34.950 --> 00:04:39.780 Georgeann Dau: Mm hmm. That's great. Yes. And it's funny because you pulled away.

00:04:41.280 --> 00:04:53.010 Georgeann Dau: From the church not you were but you did allow yourself to move move back from the church when I joined the church because when I began our program.

00:04:54.840 --> 00:05:04.230 Georgeann Dau: Five weeks ago, six weeks ago, I mentioned that I was baptized Christian and then we never went to church. So, you know, God calls us first

00:05:04.860 --> 00:05:23.640 Georgeann Dau: You know, we think that we are going to God and in essence, we are but God calls us first and we answer that call or not. Sometimes it takes people an entire lifetime and they don't answer that call until they are dying right

00:05:23.700 --> 00:05:24.540 Dominick Bencivenga: On their deathbed.

00:05:24.810 --> 00:05:26.010 Georgeann Dau: On their deathbed.

00:05:26.580 --> 00:05:34.050 Dominick Bencivenga: Which is fine, very, very, very sad, sad that that comes to it, but I'm, I'm pleased that that person could actually ever get to that point.

00:05:35.340 --> 00:05:42.510 Dominick Bencivenga: Coming back to my story that what you just mentioned, which is interesting is you brought up the small mind of the ego and even as a teenager.

00:05:43.260 --> 00:05:50.670 Dominick Bencivenga: As a teenager. That's what was driving my decision. Right. I was going to have my ego, which was strongly saying

00:05:50.970 --> 00:05:58.470 Dominick Bencivenga: I don't want to do this anymore. Why, because I am going to show everybody else, my brothers and sisters that I'm different than you.

00:05:58.890 --> 00:06:06.420 Dominick Bencivenga: I get to not to go to church. That's all it was about. I did not have to go. You still had to go. I could sleep in on Sunday mornings.

00:06:06.750 --> 00:06:15.540 Dominick Bencivenga: So it was so fascinating how that unfolded and if if something else had come into my path in my 20s early 20s, maybe a college

00:06:16.080 --> 00:06:31.980 Dominick Bencivenga: I might have been drawn back in the faith. Then, because I think that spirit was always resonating in me and it just, when did it get Call to me because I remember in college. I used to walk into the chapel and I used to just sit there and really cold. To me, but

00:06:32.370 --> 00:06:34.740 Dominick Bencivenga: It wasn't the cool thing. I don't college right so

00:06:35.100 --> 00:06:40.440 Dominick Bencivenga: I just wasn't brought up around enough of a strength of it in my background from my parents.

00:06:41.100 --> 00:06:49.620 Dominick Bencivenga: But I do want to, and we've talked a little bit about this too. I do relate it all back to my mother's lineage, because my grandmother who passed away. Just a few years ago 103

00:06:50.370 --> 00:06:56.820 Dominick Bencivenga: She was the one who was the most religious of any of my grandparents. So my mother went to Catholic schools.

00:06:57.510 --> 00:07:04.710 Dominick Bencivenga: My grandmother made sure that so I feel that's the connection I have so Spirit spoke through her the Irish Catholic side.

00:07:05.520 --> 00:07:14.490 Dominick Bencivenga: Into my mother into me. And the interesting thing. That's what I want to bring it up very important point is dad had no part of this. So my family.

00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:23.730 Dominick Bencivenga: granddad had no part of this. So my family and I'll bring I'll come back to that in a little bit, but I just want to make that point that in my upbringing.

00:07:24.690 --> 00:07:36.300 Dominick Bencivenga: My father, my grandfather, and I would just assume that great great great grandfather's did not have a very active life with their faith, religion or spirituality

00:07:36.810 --> 00:07:40.200 Georgeann Dau: Mm hmm. And it's great to hear you speak of

00:07:42.210 --> 00:07:51.600 Georgeann Dau: religion and spirituality, because although they are one in the same. The approach to them can be different.

00:07:52.110 --> 00:08:05.280 Georgeann Dau: And a lot of the times I have found through my work with my patients and Spiritual Directors that many times people on don't feel drawn to the church because of the real religiosity.

00:08:05.760 --> 00:08:18.360 Georgeann Dau: Of the church that they remember from their early years, and people that know me. Say you joined the church at the right time, which is about 33 years ago now. Um,

00:08:19.470 --> 00:08:38.340 Georgeann Dau: Because back in the day, from what I understand, and you would know better than I. The church was very different than it is now. The church was very much a dogmatic, it was very much about fire and brimstone, and now it has evolved God evolves everything

00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:51.480 Georgeann Dau: To a place of truth, which is what Jesus actually came to bring a consciousness which revealed and Jesus lived it also which reveals love

00:08:52.830 --> 00:08:53.640 Georgeann Dau: Kindness.

00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:57.480 Georgeann Dau: Forgiveness and patience.

00:08:58.860 --> 00:08:59.550 Absolutely.

00:09:01.230 --> 00:09:07.740 Dominick Bencivenga: Absolutely. And some of the most spiritual people I know who I feel very connected to higher power and God

00:09:08.790 --> 00:09:14.610 Dominick Bencivenga: Are not very active faith and participating in their fates and they, they tend to have been

00:09:15.690 --> 00:09:28.200 Dominick Bencivenga: Addicts of some sort. Where are now quote unquote dry because I don't want to just don't make it alcoholics only, but they've been through the 12 STEP program. And that's what God used and the Holy Spirit used in their life.

00:09:28.740 --> 00:09:39.210 Dominick Bencivenga: To get them to surrender, because that surrender moment is the most important thing we can do to open up our spirituality. I could remember surrender moment for myself.

00:09:39.930 --> 00:09:52.890 Dominick Bencivenga: And it happened, you know, I was posted horse. I was now supporting to households, things were very, very tough for me. I didn't know a way out. I had my business, which wasn't going as well as I thought it would go

00:09:53.430 --> 00:10:02.130 Dominick Bencivenga: And I remember that moment being the moment that I really got down on my knees, after having almost a decade of the theology. We talked about

00:10:02.610 --> 00:10:13.680 Dominick Bencivenga: And going to church every day. It wasn't until that moment that I really opened up a relationship in a really deep heartfelt way, not in a bad way but in a heartfelt way.

00:10:14.280 --> 00:10:26.460 Dominick Bencivenga: With God and Jesus and the spirit because the three. The three or 12123. I mean, that's the way I look at it, so it wasn't until I made that surrender which people talk about very much in the 12 STEP program.

00:10:27.690 --> 00:10:34.290 Dominick Bencivenga: That I was able to give up my ego and say, my life is not about me. I am not in control. Yeah.

00:10:34.920 --> 00:10:46.620 Georgeann Dau: That's beautiful. Because we spoke about that and the previous shows about the small minds of the ego and now there will be something in everyone's life that we must

00:10:48.210 --> 00:10:50.970 Georgeann Dau: Face that comes along and

00:10:52.050 --> 00:11:11.040 Georgeann Dau: reveals to us that we're not in control that we don't have control and that feels like suffering because when we feel out of control. It feels like suffering and to surrender. What you're really surrendering is your willingness or willfulness

00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:29.940 Georgeann Dau: To not die die to the false self, the false self has to die before we can take on the likeness of God, which is what God does through all of us, which is why this is a journey through really great Dominic really super

00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.420 Dominick Bencivenga: If we have a moment. I just like to quote because this is important.

00:11:33.630 --> 00:11:34.230 Dominick Bencivenga: My journey.

00:11:34.410 --> 00:11:47.190 Dominick Bencivenga: Please, you've quoted you've quoted, and I know you know if Richard was work but Richard has a great book and it's really the genesis of all of his work on men spirituality called wild man to wise man.

00:11:48.570 --> 00:11:54.240 Dominick Bencivenga: And I remember reading this in the first chapter is called, is there a thing, such as male spirituality

00:11:55.890 --> 00:12:05.070 Dominick Bencivenga: And he said, the very closing in that chapter, the spiritual man and mythology in literature and in the great world religions has an excess of life.

00:12:05.640 --> 00:12:22.920 Dominick Bencivenga: He knows he has. It makes no apology for it. And finally, recognizes his does not even need it to protect our garden. It is not for him. It is for others. His life is not his own his life is not about him. It is about God.

00:12:23.550 --> 00:12:32.910 Dominick Bencivenga: And then that's what happens when that kind of conversion happens because and I'll speak from my experience, my life went from being very self centered

00:12:33.450 --> 00:12:49.560 Dominick Bencivenga: In that addictive state until I turned it over and said, I'm no longer in control and it didn't happen in a flash, like in a movie and all of a sudden, I was on my knees and I got it all. It was the beginning of a decade long journey, which I hope will have more to talk about tonight.

00:12:50.040 --> 00:12:52.890 Georgeann Dau: Yes, that's great. And, um,

00:12:54.210 --> 00:13:03.210 Georgeann Dau: Yeah, and it certainly is a journey and what you just read is applicable for all peoples, not just men.

00:13:04.020 --> 00:13:09.720 Georgeann Dau: And it's me, it's great that you read it in the context of men because tonight we're talking about men spirituality

00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:18.210 Georgeann Dau: You know what we're talking about, you know, in the in the in this depth. It's very challenging to talk about in words for people to grasp.

00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:28.920 Georgeann Dau: Unless you are on the journey. And you know, I don't know, just like when I give a retreat. I don't know who my audience is. So that's why I wish there was some way to get questions.

00:13:30.150 --> 00:13:49.590 Georgeann Dau: But I had given my email address of Dr. G Tao, calm down spelled da you so where you could send me messages of questions you have. AND I COULD ANSWER THEM ON THE SHOW. SO WE'RE GONNA BE BACK

00:13:50.610 --> 00:13:56.550 Georgeann Dau: We're going to take a one minute break and I look forward to our

00:13:56.940 --> 00:13:57.930 Dominick Bencivenga: Continually comedy.

00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:06.900 Dominick Bencivenga: Church. And one of the things I have found that, you know, like you just said words can always do it it's it's the stories that help you

00:14:07.290 --> 00:14:10.320 Dominick Bencivenga: Yeah, I mean the men's groups. I've been in whether they've been a men's group.

00:14:10.350 --> 00:14:14.280 Dominick Bencivenga: We call them councils that a local or on these retreats. We've taken

00:14:14.430 --> 00:14:21.900 Dominick Bencivenga: Yeah. Men telling the stories, particularly in a ritualistic way, which I'll talk a little bit more. Yeah, opens it all up for you.

00:14:22.050 --> 00:14:22.920 Georgeann Dau: Yes, so

00:14:24.810 --> 00:14:25.170 Georgeann Dau: Yeah.

00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:37.140 Georgeann Dau: Yeah, and we're going to look at that. When we come back, that's great. Thank you. Dominic look forward to more in a couple of minutes. Thank you, everyone. We're taking a break from a journey through

00:16:54.450 --> 00:17:01.230 Georgeann Dau: I welcome back to a journey through with Dr. George p&l and my guest this evening. Dominic pensive anger.

00:17:02.880 --> 00:17:09.300 Georgeann Dau: So Dominic. You were mentioning about speaking storytelling from a

00:17:10.560 --> 00:17:17.490 Georgeann Dau: Place of personal experience personal story was there something in particular you wanted to share with us tonight or

00:17:17.610 --> 00:17:29.430 Dominick Bencivenga: Yeah, from that same from that same book I mentioned earlier, a great little short story here in the first. The third chapter called men, male and female, God created them.

00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:44.730 Dominick Bencivenga: The man stood at the door, knocked the woman inside said who are you the man outside said it's me the door remain closed. She asked again. Who are you, this time, he answered. It is you.

00:17:45.750 --> 00:17:48.420 Dominick Bencivenga: And the door was finally open to him. Yes.

00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:50.010 Georgeann Dau: What does that mean to you.

00:17:52.950 --> 00:18:05.640 Dominick Bencivenga: Like God created man and woman, but he created them differently and whether it be with man or woman, or just different people. You need to meet the person where they're at, open up the door.

00:18:05.850 --> 00:18:07.050 Dominick Bencivenga: You have to meet them.

00:18:07.050 --> 00:18:07.920 Dominick Bencivenga: Of who they are.

00:18:08.130 --> 00:18:23.610 Dominick Bencivenga: Not becoming that I'm here to share and talk to you in my conversations with you at this lunch this meeting, whatever it might be and make sure everything is known about me know I'm here to be with you, which means me to get to know you.

00:18:23.670 --> 00:18:24.240 Georgeann Dau: Which means

00:18:24.270 --> 00:18:28.560 Dominick Bencivenga: Me recognizing the God of fits you inside of you.

00:18:28.770 --> 00:18:37.680 Georgeann Dau: Mm hmm. And that we really want right like as you and I speak tonight. I am you when you are me and we are

00:18:39.060 --> 00:18:43.050 Georgeann Dau: meeting each other, which is really parts of ourselves.

00:18:43.350 --> 00:18:45.660 Georgeann Dau: Because I had mentioned in one of our shows

00:18:46.170 --> 00:18:55.770 Georgeann Dau: One of my shows is that none of us see things as they are, we see things as we are and wasn't not a Beatles song I am we

00:18:57.090 --> 00:18:58.560 Georgeann Dau: Together anyway.

00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:05.580 Georgeann Dau: Um, so, how long have you been involved with the men spirituality movement.

00:19:06.630 --> 00:19:14.400 Dominick Bencivenga: So after that pastoral formation Institute. I was still, you know, really, that was a three year program. I ended in

00:19:15.150 --> 00:19:23.700 Dominick Bencivenga: The third year doing that the spiritual track and just saw it out more. And one of the things I found locally, which was through

00:19:24.570 --> 00:19:34.980 Dominick Bencivenga: You know, sister, sister, Josephine who you know. Well, she was running this St. Louis, St. Joseph's renewal center out in Brentwood, and they were offering men's retreats, they would just men's retreats.

00:19:36.450 --> 00:19:45.120 Dominick Bencivenga: And I don't recall. Prior to that, besides what we did in past off a nation of it going into a retreat. So now I went to this weekend long retreat with just males and

00:19:45.900 --> 00:20:01.320 Dominick Bencivenga: It was my opening to the whole experience and what they wind up having on a regular basis, whereas pretty much two weekend long retreats and then a couple of programs, maybe evening programs.

00:20:02.580 --> 00:20:13.530 Dominick Bencivenga: Three or four touch points throughout the year and I was just go and everything I can get, get my get ahold of yeah really calling me the spirit was calling me as I felt at home.

00:20:14.520 --> 00:20:19.890 Dominick Bencivenga: And one of the reasons I i do is because when you have this kind of energy that happens inside of you.

00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:28.290 Dominick Bencivenga: That world over there, particularly the world I live in in terms of where my vocation is in the business world is not something that plays in well.

00:20:29.070 --> 00:20:40.920 Dominick Bencivenga: Unfortunately, it's just not there. So you you do fine man and I have come across men who I'm having a business lunch with. And somehow we gravitate towards. What did you do last weekend and I

00:20:41.370 --> 00:20:52.350 Dominick Bencivenga: Take a adventure out and I mentioned the men spiritual retreat. I went on and they connect with it. And sometimes it doesn't. But so anyway. Over time, that's how I started developing the

00:20:52.350 --> 00:20:52.890 Georgeann Dau: Program.

00:20:53.250 --> 00:20:56.400 Dominick Bencivenga: Which led me on of on a very long journey which

00:20:57.420 --> 00:21:11.520 Dominick Bencivenga: Went through multiple but that group is called what's called man matter spirituality. It was founded some very wise men to wise men. I know on the Long Island Marina and mentor Michael Dunn and the deacon Lenny Sclafani

00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:21.720 Georgeann Dau: And I've had the privilege of working with and teaching that sister Josephine. I'm actually trying to get her on the show. Um, if we if

00:21:22.950 --> 00:21:27.210 Georgeann Dau: We have chicken. Yeah, that would be lovely. Um, so

00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:32.340 Georgeann Dau: Where do you see where do you believe

00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:40.950 Georgeann Dau: It saw its genesis men spirituality. Where do you, where do you see it originated from. What do you think

00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:43.260 Georgeann Dau: Was its genesis.

00:21:43.290 --> 00:22:00.450 Dominick Bencivenga: Well, there's no doubt that it's been with us since the beginning of time. If we look at the Bible that we have male figures and the Old Testament, in the form of Abraham and Moses and and profits. I mean, it was a very male driven way. That was a male spirituality in the Jewish faith.

00:22:00.600 --> 00:22:31.410 Georgeann Dau: And look at look at the sorry to interrupt you just adding this LOOK AT THE LOOK AT THE initiation and Native American Indian culture of initiating a boys into a male a male good and or manhood. And I think that that is supposed to be the meaning of a Bar Mitzvah or a Catholic or Christian

00:22:35.610 --> 00:22:36.420 Georgeann Dau: Confirmation

00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:46.650 Georgeann Dau: Yes to is to use certain rituals to bring them into manhood and what it seems like we've done with it. Not culture is to make it a party.

00:22:47.250 --> 00:22:53.070 Dominick Bencivenga: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. And, and I've had a few of those in my experience, so I know that, but

00:22:53.700 --> 00:23:04.860 Dominick Bencivenga: Men spiritual movement sort of had this gap of change. I think that happened as the industrialization of America happened and men became a different kind of man from

00:23:05.520 --> 00:23:15.690 Dominick Bencivenga: THE 1800s 1900s and and they sort of lost a lot of that. But the modern movement and this is only from my experience where I've been through. I'm sure this

00:23:15.990 --> 00:23:27.540 Dominick Bencivenga: I'm not an academic in this regard, so I'm not speaking about all the movements, but the one that I got involved in which eventually became called a lumen. I ll you ma n like illuminate

00:23:28.620 --> 00:23:37.320 Dominick Bencivenga: Was founded by Father Richard Rohr with a couple of other men when he had moved out and created the Center for action and contemplation out in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

00:23:37.890 --> 00:23:48.510 Dominick Bencivenga: And this book that I mentioned earlier was where he started thinking a lot about that and started to explore. What was the thing that was going wrong with men.

00:23:48.900 --> 00:24:11.700 Dominick Bencivenga: That that we're we're seeing this lack of. And one of the things he brought up was that initiation process that you just spoke up that ancient cultures and to some day today very indigenous cultures still have this process, which, in his words.

00:24:12.840 --> 00:24:21.120 Dominick Bencivenga: Take a boy at the right time and pull them away from the female energy. Right. So you're born in a Womb of the mother.

00:24:21.690 --> 00:24:34.410 Dominick Bencivenga: You're raised by the mother your tended to her nipple. You are connected and intentionally God created this way for you to be born with, and created nurtured in female energy

00:24:35.040 --> 00:24:43.170 Dominick Bencivenga: But that female energy needs to now be pulled out from under you, in a way that separates you from that.

00:24:43.770 --> 00:25:00.630 Dominick Bencivenga: And what he found is these cultures created ritualistic ceremonies that took you out of the village out of the norm out of the day to day away from the female energy and put you out somewhere, but some sort of test.

00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:21.840 Dominick Bencivenga: You were tested in some way under the supervised guidance of the wisdom elders who will then ranch you that you have become an initiated one and then when you returned into the village. Your mother who was like tight with you that whole time looked at you in a whole different way.

00:25:22.290 --> 00:25:22.860 Georgeann Dau: Mm hmm.

00:25:22.950 --> 00:25:27.360 Dominick Bencivenga: And you are now. It didn't matter at the age because people did it all different ages.

00:25:27.510 --> 00:25:36.180 Dominick Bencivenga: It would have been a 10 it could have been a 15 it could have been 20 but what he found is our society as we started to get very educated

00:25:36.690 --> 00:25:45.000 Dominick Bencivenga: And you wind up going through a cycle of going into colleges and and you just never really broke through some men who did break through.

00:25:45.330 --> 00:25:54.390 Dominick Bencivenga: Just had experienced. It's like I've talked to you about earlier where the spirit called me. Now that wasn't my initiation. But that was my first step with the

00:25:54.390 --> 00:25:55.650 Georgeann Dau: Spirit is calling

00:25:55.890 --> 00:25:56.100 Georgeann Dau: And I

00:25:56.460 --> 00:25:59.490 Dominick Bencivenga: Got God is calling everybody to do that, man, woman, child.

00:26:00.090 --> 00:26:08.130 Georgeann Dau: It's really interesting what you're talking about. Because, you know, and you know, with the past couple of shows I've been looking at. We've been looking at

00:26:10.230 --> 00:26:16.110 Georgeann Dau: Through nature God creates a natural flow of spiritual development.

00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:18.090 Georgeann Dau: Because we are part of nature.

00:26:18.750 --> 00:26:27.810 Georgeann Dau: And there's also which were more familiar with a psychological development and we look at it as individuation

00:26:28.530 --> 00:26:42.660 Georgeann Dau: This looks like the spiritual component of nature that used to be embraced and it's not, it's no longer perhaps looked at in the same way, where it would

00:26:43.350 --> 00:27:01.350 Georgeann Dau: Enforce and bring forth that natural progression of the spiritual movement of breaking away on a deeper level and getting more in touch with the depth of oneself, which is God.

00:27:03.330 --> 00:27:26.190 Georgeann Dau: You know, rich on Thomas Merton would speak about that that to come to the depth of oneself, is to meet God because God is unique in each one of us and God is the seed that is in us at conception and

00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:49.200 Georgeann Dau: That Scripture speaks about that but that we are called in this journey to find out what our purposes, what God in us is and what it's asking of us and that's what it sounds like. That's what I'm hearing Dominic you speak about in with through an initiation process right

00:27:49.260 --> 00:28:00.420 Dominick Bencivenga: And I give you a very good example. That's biblical in the New Testament that is initiation driven and with someone coming to know his own purpose and it's of john the baptist

00:28:01.470 --> 00:28:02.010 Georgeann Dau: Yes.

00:28:02.070 --> 00:28:13.590 Dominick Bencivenga: Right so john is born into a very religious Jewish family all the traditions. He could have been one of the high priests are in that class had everything you would want

00:28:14.190 --> 00:28:23.250 Dominick Bencivenga: But knew he didn't, it wasn't his true self. He was just following because his father had that position, and he was allowed to follow into it.

00:28:23.730 --> 00:28:35.520 Dominick Bencivenga: So what happens is, God uses him but initiate him first. By having him go out into the wilderness, and then he goes out in the wilderness and starts preaching. Not that he is the one

00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:44.940 Dominick Bencivenga: But that's the one is coming before him and then finds this purpose as part of this initiation, which is then to baptize

00:28:45.480 --> 00:29:03.390 Dominick Bencivenga: Our Lord in the moment in in the Jordan. See, so he had his purpose found he he honored it and then he had his initiation moment and he went through all that probably within a year. And, you know, interestingly, you don't hear much about him after that. It's like he disappeared.

00:29:03.690 --> 00:29:05.940 Dominick Bencivenga: But he served the purpose in that moment in time.

00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:17.130 Georgeann Dau: Yeah. And it's interesting because before you know Jesus. I think came into some sort of a recognition of what his purpose was

00:29:18.150 --> 00:29:36.750 Georgeann Dau: Because I don't think he always knew that he was quote the Messiah didn't have an awareness that he also was led into the desert. So we are called to have a desert experience, which means perhaps being void of our

00:29:37.830 --> 00:30:00.420 Georgeann Dau: Awareness of the conscious consciousness of our psychology to die to the small minds of the ego to go deeper into the spirit and soul of who we each are and we need to take another break in about 30 seconds right

00:30:00.750 --> 00:30:02.460 Dominick Bencivenga: Now it's really fascinating and

00:30:04.410 --> 00:30:14.310 Dominick Bencivenga: I think we've talked about this before, that the stories in the Bible, whether it be the Old Testament. The New Testament are stories that will mirror the truths of life's

00:30:14.370 --> 00:30:15.570 Georgeann Dau: Yes, so

00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:17.970 Dominick Bencivenga: One of the ways to read and interpret them.

00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:29.700 Dominick Bencivenga: Is what is the storytelling me that's applying now to 20th century 21st century living, Europe, Asia, where I am, because it could apply anywhere right now because it's a universal truth it's

00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:30.780 Georgeann Dau: Test. Yeah.

00:30:31.080 --> 00:30:32.130 Dominick Bencivenga: I written down.

00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:32.700 Dominick Bencivenga: For us.

00:30:32.910 --> 00:30:34.260 Dominick Bencivenga: Because it's universal truths.

00:30:34.650 --> 00:30:49.680 Georgeann Dau: Thank you. That's exactly right. That's why it was written down. That's why it was recorded. Absolutely. So this had told me that we are having a break in one minute, but I think that maybe it was a mistake so

00:30:52.620 --> 00:31:01.380 Georgeann Dau: I'd like when we come back, because it will stop playing the music in a moment when we come back, I'd like to focus in on

00:31:02.520 --> 00:31:08.400 Georgeann Dau: What is this work mean to you and how has it helped you personally

00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:10.110 Georgeann Dau: Okay.

00:31:11.340 --> 00:31:12.300 Georgeann Dau: So I'm

00:31:13.320 --> 00:31:18.270 Dominick Bencivenga: Happy to do that. And there's a there's a lot to share their will try to get it pretty succinct for it.

00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.110 Georgeann Dau: Yeah, it's amazing how quickly the time goes right but

00:31:22.410 --> 00:31:32.220 Dominick Bencivenga: There's a lot and I have also seen the work as much as it's transformed me one of the blessings is to see how those transform so many other men.

00:31:33.120 --> 00:31:35.040 Georgeann Dau: Oh, sure. Absolutely.

00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:35.880 Georgeann Dau: Just, you know,

00:31:36.060 --> 00:31:38.040 Dominick Bencivenga: That happened and to be around it.

00:31:38.070 --> 00:31:38.610 Yes.

00:31:40.290 --> 00:31:46.020 Dominick Bencivenga: There's a hunger for men to be able to talk to men, and it's a core part of our spirituality and

00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:47.490 Dominick Bencivenga: I'm talking about the religious

00:31:47.520 --> 00:31:56.730 Dominick Bencivenga: ritualistic stuff we do and the initiation processes, there's something we just call Council were really men are getting together as men just to talk about this stories.

00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:07.470 Dominick Bencivenga: And one of the things we do about once a month out in Brentwood is sit around, quote unquote, the campfire. We're not outside and a campfire, but we're in a circle.

00:32:08.190 --> 00:32:18.060 Dominick Bencivenga: We have talking stick. So we have some rules. You know, one tells or says anything about your story. It's your story. It's not mine. The question judge

00:32:18.390 --> 00:32:31.170 Dominick Bencivenga: If something comes up inside of me because you Jim said something, then I've got to look at what is it inside of me that prompted me to have that reaction not go back and try to sell you something.

00:32:31.170 --> 00:32:31.980 Georgeann Dau: Absolutely.

00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:33.960 Dominick Bencivenga: And how refreshing that regularly.

00:32:34.350 --> 00:32:54.780 Georgeann Dau: And how refreshing. Because in in our society in which we live. Man, by nature, or not I'm invited to share to feel and it's and it's a deep necessity psychologically spiritually on every level.

00:32:56.310 --> 00:33:00.540 Georgeann Dau: So that's, that's really terrific. Um, so

00:33:01.590 --> 00:33:02.520 Georgeann Dau: That was it out, you

00:33:04.350 --> 00:33:14.100 Dominick Bencivenga: Know, many ways Georgiana can't even start. But the first way in the broadest way. I said I could honestly say I went into the process as a boy and came out of man.

00:33:15.300 --> 00:33:17.580 Dominick Bencivenga: That's the, that's the broadest way I could look at it.

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:19.500 Georgeann Dau: Right.

00:33:21.300 --> 00:33:21.780 Georgeann Dau: Okay.

00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:25.290 Dominick Bencivenga: And I think that means we're going to take a break now.

00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:29.010 Georgeann Dau: Um, yeah, I think that's what it means.

00:33:31.260 --> 00:33:31.860 Georgeann Dau: I'm getting

00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:39.510 Georgeann Dau: Messages here that I never had before. I apologize. Everyone watching and listening. I'm

00:33:41.520 --> 00:33:42.810 Dominick Bencivenga: Going into we hear the music.

00:33:42.870 --> 00:33:43.170 Yeah.

00:36:21.630 --> 00:36:22.800 Dominick Bencivenga: We can hear you. George and

00:36:24.990 --> 00:36:25.920 Georgeann Dau: Welcome back.

00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:28.200 Georgeann Dau: To journey through

00:36:29.490 --> 00:36:41.790 Georgeann Dau: With to Georgia and our when our guest Donna expensive angle. So you were talking about how this has helped you. When you sit in a broad stroke that you

00:36:43.080 --> 00:36:43.770 Georgeann Dau: Entered it

00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:46.050 Georgeann Dau: Away.

00:36:47.100 --> 00:36:50.280 Georgeann Dau: And came out a man came out of where

00:36:53.070 --> 00:36:53.610 Georgeann Dau: What do you mean

00:36:55.260 --> 00:37:00.420 Dominick Bencivenga: in a broad sense came out of the journey right but i the journey never ends. So I think

00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:00.660 Georgeann Dau: That's a

00:37:01.470 --> 00:37:10.860 Dominick Bencivenga: That's a theme that you have and I wholeheartedly would agree with in my life. The journey never ends, an interesting way that I've seen it written is

00:37:11.580 --> 00:37:20.850 Dominick Bencivenga: You started as an eternal boy you thought everything in the world was never going to end you lived in whatever was those hooks that got you in your

00:37:21.450 --> 00:37:29.370 Dominick Bencivenga: In your youth, whether it be the fantasies, you had, whether it be the disillusions you had it. You just as a boy and

00:37:29.730 --> 00:37:36.750 Dominick Bencivenga: And it's good stopping childhood. For some people, and they can grow into their 20s, you had certain illusions of ways that just weren't

00:37:37.170 --> 00:37:53.100 Dominick Bencivenga: And that one of the things that happened for me is this movement into some level of wisdom and in my mind. It's a very little piece of wisdom, but I'm on that path and look to keep

00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:55.170 Dominick Bencivenga: A winding

00:37:55.290 --> 00:38:03.180 Dominick Bencivenga: Path and how big a wide my my wisdom can be so the thought of having a Wisdom Tree is something I look at in my head is

00:38:03.180 --> 00:38:03.420 Georgeann Dau: Like

00:38:03.660 --> 00:38:19.560 Dominick Bencivenga: The Wisdom Tree. Just keep growing every year through these processes. And so you you have things like and this is common for a lot of men, but it happened for me. You know you went from an action that you didn't know anything about you just did right but then you now.

00:38:19.620 --> 00:38:21.180 Georgeann Dau: Talking about reaction.

00:38:23.130 --> 00:38:24.810 Georgeann Dau: Something that reacting to something

00:38:25.620 --> 00:38:26.220 Yes.

00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:39.540 Dominick Bencivenga: I'm talking about you have fluid action where you're always in movement and creation, but sometimes it's just for the sake of that face of being movement because you have the energy of a young man.

00:38:40.170 --> 00:38:58.020 Dominick Bencivenga: But now having knowledge before you act similar to what you just talked about psycho spiritually in the sense of you hear something and you could have a reaction or you can hear something and choose to act in a very appropriate limit mature way to it.

00:38:58.800 --> 00:38:59.460 Dominick Bencivenga: Concept.

00:38:59.610 --> 00:39:07.350 Georgeann Dau: I was actually going to ask you you you've done a lot of inner work on yourself. You have use under your belt of psychoanalysis. Correct.

00:39:07.710 --> 00:39:08.580 Dominick Bencivenga: That is very true.

00:39:08.940 --> 00:39:17.730 Georgeann Dau: Would you say that that process has supported you in your spiritual journey.

00:39:18.720 --> 00:39:19.410 Absolutely.

00:39:20.520 --> 00:39:21.750 Dominick Bencivenga: I think they go hand in hand.

00:39:21.990 --> 00:39:22.710 Georgeann Dau: Yes, I do.

00:39:23.370 --> 00:39:25.470 Georgeann Dau: I way I do it. Yeah.

00:39:26.250 --> 00:39:28.680 Dominick Bencivenga: I believe there was a level of

00:39:30.150 --> 00:39:36.750 Dominick Bencivenga: There's a level of maturity, I would have come through this work with the work with God, and the spirituality

00:39:38.100 --> 00:39:46.410 Dominick Bencivenga: But that level has been brought higher because of the work I've done with my analyst and the ability to be able to do it.

00:39:48.060 --> 00:39:54.720 Dominick Bencivenga: And I'll say it in this regard, because you know who he is, is a very wise man. Right. One of the wisest men. I know.

00:39:55.860 --> 00:40:01.470 Dominick Bencivenga: I work with and to this day continually work with just had a session with him today this afternoon.

00:40:02.730 --> 00:40:04.620 Dominick Bencivenga: And that helps me

00:40:06.030 --> 00:40:14.280 Dominick Bencivenga: In every aspect of my life. It helps me with my own self, and how I act and think it helps me observe myself better

00:40:14.640 --> 00:40:27.810 Dominick Bencivenga: It helps me in my work relationships, my family relationships. My marital relationships that helps me through all of those aspects of life. But when you put that on top of or

00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:31.800 Dominick Bencivenga: I don't know which is top and which is problem. But if you

00:40:32.100 --> 00:40:33.000 Dominick Bencivenga: Find that

00:40:33.060 --> 00:40:41.760 Dominick Bencivenga: With the fact that you bring in the spiritual base you bring in the work I've done in the men's movement you bring in what it allows you to do in that regard.

00:40:42.450 --> 00:40:49.140 Dominick Bencivenga: Which is what you brought up a little earlier men having feelings, be able to talk about their feelings, be able to express those feelings.

00:40:50.370 --> 00:40:57.990 Dominick Bencivenga: One of the big, big things that we do in the lumen movement and it's it's hard to not be branded that this is all we do. But

00:40:58.290 --> 00:41:01.020 Dominick Bencivenga: It has been, but the truth is we do much more than this, but

00:41:01.740 --> 00:41:08.430 Dominick Bencivenga: It's called the men's rights of passage. And again, a lot of this was created by Richard Rohr. That's why you keep bringing up his name.

00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:22.620 Dominick Bencivenga: I have plenty of other spiritual masters. I read and listen to. But in this case, he's done a lot of work here. He's created this program, which started in the desert of Arizona.

00:41:24.120 --> 00:41:33.480 Dominick Bencivenga: That'd be a good 30 years ago now. He used to be what was called the weaver the weaver would be like, you think of the, the wisest man in the Indian village.

00:41:34.080 --> 00:41:51.360 Dominick Bencivenga: Who brought the men together and through a five day immersive experience men got run through a process which allows them to see a lot of their true self, like looking in the mirror.

00:41:52.500 --> 00:42:03.870 Dominick Bencivenga: And if you really surrender to the process you would break down a lot of the barriers of you eat of your ego in that short period of time.

00:42:05.250 --> 00:42:15.840 Dominick Bencivenga: By the fourth day you went out into the wilderness, literally, your fourth day was a fasting day and you went out and you saw nobody

00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:27.690 Dominick Bencivenga: For the entire day. So I don't know about you, but I've never done that in my entire life and in my case it wasn't the desert. It was the woods of Bryce Valley, New York, which is up near

00:42:29.640 --> 00:42:30.810 Dominick Bencivenga: It north of liberty.

00:42:31.830 --> 00:42:39.600 Dominick Bencivenga: It's, it's in the Catskill mountains and that that moments know those moments I had in the woods. Those that days.

00:42:40.050 --> 00:42:54.600 Dominick Bencivenga: Stick with me, to this day, in fact, on the final play over here in my apartment. I have a Bach from the tree that I met that day hug back to it, things I would never ever thought of right and freed myself to that.

00:42:54.930 --> 00:42:55.590 Georgeann Dau: Really great

00:42:55.950 --> 00:43:04.800 Dominick Bencivenga: One of the most amazing things that's happened for me is I was never a woodsy person. I couldn't tell you. Prior to that, that I went to more than

00:43:05.160 --> 00:43:13.710 Dominick Bencivenga: Five hikes in my life. And they probably on the retreats, like I've just described, going through. I would never recreationally say I'm going to go out for a walk in the woods.

00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:25.050 Dominick Bencivenga: And I have found myself drawn to that from having that immersive experience. So something in my spirit was was kindled to have a connection to forest.

00:43:25.950 --> 00:43:41.490 Dominick Bencivenga: And woods and trees and then when I came back here. I kept feeling that longing to do it and I surrendered to it and now I am out at least every other weekend. Couple of our walk somewhere in in some Long Island woods and hiking.

00:43:42.420 --> 00:44:00.750 Georgeann Dau: So TERRIFIC, WONDERFUL. You know, I'm just as I'm listening to speak. I'm listening. More and more to a gradual opening up an opening up from the deep the depths of your soul, you know, which

00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:24.150 Georgeann Dau: We speak about as ketosis. So we need to open that up. We need to plumb the depths of it to loosen up that impacted that compacted soil to make us flourish. So more and more can grow through it. That's really beautiful, wonderful Dominic

00:44:24.630 --> 00:44:26.790 Georgeann Dau: So we're going to be taking a

00:44:27.750 --> 00:44:33.900 Georgeann Dau: Another break in about 10 seconds. So, again, is there anything you want to mention

00:44:34.200 --> 00:44:39.660 Dominick Bencivenga: More than I was just talking about some of the experiences I've seen other men go through. So maybe after the break, we could go through that.

00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:44.640 Georgeann Dau: Yeah, and we'll talk about Mr LP, I'd like to know more about that and

00:44:46.080 --> 00:44:57.240 Georgeann Dau: Maybe you could give our listeners more information as to what some of these things mean and represent I'm

00:44:58.470 --> 00:45:06.810 Dominick Bencivenga: Happy to do that and happy to have anybody who's listening out there, whether it be men themselves or a wives, you know, men who need this kind of work or

00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.630 Dominick Bencivenga: Have expressed the need for this kind of work to be connected to me. Will I'll get my email address.

00:45:12.870 --> 00:45:19.470 Georgeann Dau: It's great. And also, you know, as I continue the radio show, maybe they'll be a you know segment.

00:45:20.640 --> 00:45:24.180 Georgeann Dau: Once a month that maybe you would be willing to

00:45:25.770 --> 00:45:32.040 Georgeann Dau: Contribute and do more of the you know the men's the men's work.

00:45:33.270 --> 00:45:33.630 Georgeann Dau: Here.

00:45:35.130 --> 00:45:42.450 Georgeann Dau: Yeah, that would be great. So I apologize. I'm just reacting to what I get on my screen and

00:45:43.470 --> 00:45:48.840 Georgeann Dau: A minute ago. It said that it was going to be a minute break. So, um,

00:45:49.590 --> 00:45:51.420 Dominick Bencivenga: I'll, uh, well, we'll wait

00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:54.870 Dominick Bencivenga: I have seen men.

00:45:56.820 --> 00:46:00.270 Dominick Bencivenga: I have seen men cry like they've never cried before

00:46:00.690 --> 00:46:06.960 Dominick Bencivenga: I wonder what what you're talking about that opening up that that just something that for all of those years.

00:46:08.430 --> 00:46:10.140 Dominick Bencivenga: That's happened. So it's really great.

00:46:11.460 --> 00:46:12.210 Dominick Bencivenga: Now, I think we're

00:46:12.450 --> 00:46:13.860 Dominick Bencivenga: We could move on from this segment.

00:46:16.110 --> 00:46:20.520 Georgeann Dau: Okay, that's great. Okay. We'll be back in a moment with a journey through

00:48:44.370 --> 00:48:45.570 Georgeann Dau: Hi, welcome back.

00:48:47.010 --> 00:48:53.370 Georgeann Dau: To Georgia and Joe and we have a guest today. Dominic been sebago so Dominic when we left off.

00:48:55.470 --> 00:49:16.950 Georgeann Dau: I I know from what you're talking about. I mean, you know, this is my work. So I believe in a very much a need for spirituality and the world we're living in for psychoanalysis always for mindfulness. I know that Sam, or is the creator of talk radio NYC. I know that he is a

00:49:18.930 --> 00:49:30.870 Georgeann Dau: Deep soulful man with that offers coaching and i i think it's very, very important in the world that we're living in always and certainly today so

00:49:33.120 --> 00:49:39.210 Georgeann Dau: Where do you see a need for this in the world today and what kind of framework would you see it in

00:49:40.890 --> 00:49:57.480 Dominick Bencivenga: So let me let me put it in the context of a lumen first and then I'll bring it more back down to a low local level. So I mentioned Richard Rohr creating this program originally was called males with an acronym men as learners and elders.

00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:09.810 Dominick Bencivenga: And it was it was, you know, believe that they were his wisdom elders amongst us and they could be teaching people and the whole the whole process you go through with the Mr LP has that there's

00:50:10.140 --> 00:50:16.230 Dominick Bencivenga: There's elders as ritual people as all of that but alumina as an organization of worldwide organization.

00:50:16.890 --> 00:50:26.010 Dominick Bencivenga: Seeks to form future generations of men who restore the practices of serving to build a world that celebrates the beauty of normal things

00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:36.540 Dominick Bencivenga: So, you know, that's a very different, very different masculinity masculinity than what you're seeing evidence in politics in the man in the White House.

00:50:37.170 --> 00:50:45.000 Dominick Bencivenga: The, you know, the world is the world we look at from a lumen, the world that we travel and the men we talked to a not

00:50:45.870 --> 00:50:49.170 Dominick Bencivenga: It doesn't matter what you believe, politically, or just not acting like that.

00:50:49.590 --> 00:50:58.650 Dominick Bencivenga: So what we believe he is where men transforming men through a power greater than ourselves. So we've got the ability through our processes through our

00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:08.220 Dominick Bencivenga: Our, our councils are rituals are programs to transform men, but we're not doing it ourselves. We're doing it by this power that's greater ourselves.

00:51:08.670 --> 00:51:18.900 Dominick Bencivenga: And we bring men life changing spirituality and then we have a primary concern is having this inner work done so that it makes a difference in a world

00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:28.500 Dominick Bencivenga: You know I'm you mentioned psychoanalysts analysis and we mentioned, you know, the my work there. I'm very, very blessed to have that. But it's not available in all men.

00:51:29.520 --> 00:51:38.940 Dominick Bencivenga: So there are many men who just cannot even go see a traditional therapist because of health plans finances, but this is free. What we do in this case is free.

00:51:39.510 --> 00:51:50.520 Dominick Bencivenga: So in in the New York area. This man matter spirituality has held these programs has these council meetings, the one that primarily meets now is out in Brentwood

00:51:51.480 --> 00:52:05.010 Dominick Bencivenga: One Saturday morning a month. I was holding one that was meeting lights done for a while is sort of disbanded, a little bit, but we're looking to get it back together. So we are always looking to attract men who are this is resonating with them. It's

00:52:05.010 --> 00:52:07.650 Dominick Bencivenga: Non some vibrational paths with them.

00:52:08.790 --> 00:52:15.900 Dominick Bencivenga: It does not matter if you're a Catholic, Protestant Baptist jus Hindu

00:52:16.050 --> 00:52:17.910 Georgeann Dau: CSA. That's right.

00:52:18.030 --> 00:52:28.350 Dominick Bencivenga: You are a man on a spiritual journey right that's all we want, that's all we want, and if you don't even know what spiritual journey. You're on. But you just know that something's calling you. Yeah.

00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:42.390 Georgeann Dau: Yeah, you know, you feel because we're all thirsty and hungry and you know when we talk about the small minds of the ego and having to die to it. We all reach a point where we recognize that

00:52:43.710 --> 00:52:54.210 Georgeann Dau: What we thought was going to bring us peace, happiness, joy, it's not working, and it will not. Not only does it not define us

00:52:54.900 --> 00:53:09.960 Georgeann Dau: When we look to be defined by, you know, I am what I own I am my education. I am what kind of parent. I am I'm none of that is true. We are back and we are way beyond that.

00:53:10.110 --> 00:53:13.590 Dominick Bencivenga: Yeah, there's only one definition that I look at is, I am a child of God.

00:53:13.950 --> 00:53:14.490 Georgeann Dau: That's right.

00:53:14.550 --> 00:53:15.960 Dominick Bencivenga: I am a son of God.

00:53:16.170 --> 00:53:18.180 Georgeann Dau: Right. And, um,

00:53:19.620 --> 00:53:21.390 Georgeann Dau: So, you know,

00:53:22.410 --> 00:53:39.600 Georgeann Dau: The reason that it was important to bring up the psychoanalytical work for you is because, you know, when you do this work and you're offering it to other people. We can only help those two and we can only journey with those

00:53:40.620 --> 00:53:43.410 Georgeann Dau: Through the process we have journey to ourselves.

00:53:44.640 --> 00:53:56.250 Georgeann Dau: That's it. Just like mommy and daddy could not have given us any different parenting, other than how they were parented unless they have done the work and looked at

00:53:56.640 --> 00:54:04.830 Georgeann Dau: How they were parented what worked, what didn't, and how they want to do it differently and challenge themselves with those questions. So, um,

00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:10.530 Dominick Bencivenga: Which we know is rare for the most part, particularly prior to the last 20 years

00:54:10.740 --> 00:54:23.460 Georgeann Dau: Yeah, yeah. But things are changing, you know, things are changing. And that's a, that's a great thing. And I think it's very exciting to be on on a

00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:32.610 Georgeann Dau: You know, on a journey and all of us together that are involved with this work that want to partake with us on this work.

00:54:33.570 --> 00:54:46.020 Georgeann Dau: In these times in which we live. You know, we're all cool to at this time for a specific reason. You know, why are we here what do we want to do with your time. What difference do we want to make in the world.

00:54:46.230 --> 00:54:54.510 Dominick Bencivenga: One of the, one of the fruits that we're talking about the fruits of what this this this movement for me has had the spiritual movement where it's come to

00:54:55.890 --> 00:55:00.270 Dominick Bencivenga: Obviously I, as I mentioned earlier, my tree of wisdom is one that just keeps growing.

00:55:00.750 --> 00:55:12.960 Dominick Bencivenga: And I seek out ways to do that. And one of the ways I do that in much the same way 12 step, does it too is once you have been moved by this you want to share it.

00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:28.650 Dominick Bencivenga: You want to serve others and doing that and the work I did with man Matta spirituality. The work I've done with having council meetings, does that. But that same work can be done. Anytime one on one with any man.

00:55:29.520 --> 00:55:40.050 Dominick Bencivenga: Right. It does not have to be anything more than I can, in more normal times that when we don't have a pandemic sit and have a coffee with the man in the diner and have the conversation, but

00:55:40.140 --> 00:55:47.430 Dominick Bencivenga: Really in this day and age. Look, you can have a phone call, you can have zoom call you can meet in the park. So that's an open invitation. I have anybody that's out there.

00:55:47.730 --> 00:55:48.210 Georgeann Dau: In the

00:55:48.420 --> 00:55:52.860 Dominick Bencivenga: Back with me through you or I can give my email address, but I'd be happy to talk with anyone.

00:55:53.220 --> 00:55:59.070 Georgeann Dau: Sure, so do is we'd like you to come back on the show. Would you be willing to do that. Come back.

00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:12.600 Georgeann Dau: Yeah, it's terrific. Um, is there anything. Oh, we have about a minute and a half left and I want to do a closing prayer. Is there anything that you'd like to share

00:56:13.710 --> 00:56:15.270 Georgeann Dau: Actually, we have one minute left.

00:56:16.650 --> 00:56:21.690 Dominick Bencivenga: It was vital work. Yeah, there are more men out there that need that than even know that they need it.

00:56:21.930 --> 00:56:28.650 Dominick Bencivenga: Yeah, women in their lives. Know they needed more than the men know they need it very often. That's one of the strikes that happen is

00:56:28.650 --> 00:56:28.830 Georgeann Dau: With

00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:30.360 Dominick Bencivenga: Men, women who've met us

00:56:30.600 --> 00:56:34.110 Dominick Bencivenga: Trying to get that across to them. And I'm sure you've seen it with some of your patients.

00:56:34.110 --> 00:56:41.430 Dominick Bencivenga: Absolutely. But if anybody's working in wiggling their way down with any men in life to do that reach out, we'll talk about it.

00:56:41.910 --> 00:56:49.710 Georgeann Dau: Thank you. So thank you so much for joining us tonight. Dominic my really great really great and let us send in prayer.

00:56:50.910 --> 00:56:55.140 Georgeann Dau: So God, we want to thank you for this time together in prayer.

00:56:56.250 --> 00:57:03.090 Georgeann Dau: As we are praying for the grace to learn how to love to be open to your movement and us.

00:57:04.110 --> 00:57:16.350 Georgeann Dau: And whatever the name is for the God that we love. We always ask that you guide us and teach us out of love. Amen. Amen. Thank you and God bless you. Thank you.

00:57:16.650 --> 00:57:17.370 Dominick Bencivenga: Nick church in

00:57:18.210 --> 00:57:19.800 Dominick Bencivenga: The evening. Thank you, you too.

00:57:19.950 --> 00:57:21.180 Goodnight. Goodnight.


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